2hand Legendary, 2hand tanking
#protection
frosty mango
I tried sword and board arms (failed)
And I tried 2h prot
jagged pier
well theres the mace cat
frosty mango
2h prot actually did hold threat but didn’t do much damage lol
round pendant
that revenge change is so fucking bad
warm plinth
But yam, they can balance revenge based on content now
It was very important to the spec
frosty mango
Tbh being able to build around a 2 hander
And having mastery give parry
Might be cool
cerulean tusk
Could be a cool way to make Col work and be different from Thane
Make it a 2hand tank
frosty mango
Or just make block work for 2h weapons
warm plinth
Or just don't do that and save me from ripping the rest of my hair out
grizzled nova
Could be a cool way to make Col work and be different from Thane
I mean take shield block and shield slam out of the spec and you're talking about making a completely different spec at that point
frosty mango
Now we should definitely do it
round pendant
this dps breakdown just isn't acceptable for a +13 gambit
frosty mango
Or just don't do that and save me from ripping the rest of my hair out
Do you have a skullet?
round pendant
I hate pugging
cerulean tusk
WW spam, is king
round pendant
Idk about that
warm plinth
Do you have a skullet?
I do need a haircut but I am not at skullet levels of length
elfin elk
Tbh getting pugs to do tank damage would be a good start
round pendant
I knew it was cooked when I was #1 dps on bosses
round pendant
no
cerulean tusk
round pendant
yeah lmao
frosty mango
Tanks are there to tank
One time my raid tank in a causal guild geared fully defensive and said “I’m here to survive”
Had to find the blood pressure pills
jagged pier
unfortunatly that is most tanks
cerulean tusk
I actually vibe with those players, allow me to play heartstone and AFK between DBM calls
On the flipside, as a DPS in said groups, it has happened a few times too many - that I just ask the RL to tank for them
"Its impossible to hold threat on dev evo's when they burst instantly!"
It never was an issue
frosty mango
It makes me sad every time we pull a pull with lust and 3 dps are below me screaming “prot warrior is busted”
Nah bro the only thing busted is your keyboard because you seem to be missing half of your buttons
cerulean tusk
Play BDK, burst on 5 target packs, especially in Dawn
and you will have DPS rage at you all key long
frosty mango
Alas! Not everyone is the same and at the end of the day if we’re not pushing a key idc
frosty mango
Play BDK, burst on 5 target packs, especially in Dawn
I’m hitting like 15-20m on big pulls and good dps are typically far above that but I find in like 13-14s the dps now struggle to break 20m
cerulean tusk
sweats in Fury Warrior
frosty mango
Fury might do 15m on a big pack but they’re doing that on every pack
Consistency lords
cerulean tusk
I do enjoy playing demolish tho, just casually swing one ability for 200m dam
mental scarab
I’m hitting like 15-20m on big pulls and good dps are typically far above that b...
I i have had 2 dps to over 30mil on all my keys from 13-14
I never find cool people
frosty mango
I i have had 2 dps to over 30mil on all my keys from 13-14
16-17 range usually see 35m
Highest I’ve seen is 60m
From a fdk with Pi
cerulean tusk
Highest I seen in a 16 was, 85 million, BM
Avg I want to say 30-40m range, if you exclude classes you know wont go as high
mental scarab
16-17 range usually see 35m
Mhmmm haven’t had one dps brake 9mil overall and I’m 99/100 over 4 mil dps
frosty mango
I’ve also seen some pretty nutty damage damage from bm and ele shams
But bm hunters are crazy
You give them a PI and it’s goodnight
cerulean tusk
If ppl dont break 10m, it sounds like a tank issue to me
frosty mango
If ppl dont break 10m, it sounds like a tank issue to me
Hard agree
cerulean tusk
Kinda smells like no trash under bosses and the like
frosty mango
I pulled 2 packs into the javelin boss in eco dome today and I was called a terrorist 🤣
cerulean tusk
2 packs? What ones
cerulean tusk
I usually do the pat without caster
mental scarab
Aha
frosty mango
2 packs? What ones
The phase pack to the right and the non caster pat
cerulean tusk
I am halfway meme'ing, but often when ppl do lower DPS, it is cause how tank sets things up
frosty mango
It was a 14 all these dudes were like 717
cerulean tusk
this is a reality
mental scarab
well I have seen videos with trash on bosses in 20keys and looks fun asf
frosty mango
<:monkahmm:1382590600439664751> well I have seen videos with trash on bosses in...
Tbh if you have an arcane or dh you should pull trash into bosses
mental scarab
Well I pull as much as the dps can handle either no death
frosty mango
a good player with proper funnel can do disgusting amounts of damage
dry skiff
that was 6k strength -.-
mental scarab
I have had one mage that wasn’t mentally challenged @frosty mango
frosty mango
I have had one mage that wasn’t mentally challenged <@228540157333078016>
Yea a lot of bad arcane mages
But the good ones
🤌
cerulean tusk
If you allow a DH to CD funnel bosses, they melt and it feels so worth the effort
frosty mango
I did a halls last night with a dh/mage combo who were both good
mental scarab
Hahaha wtf
cerulean tusk
Funnel goes burrrrrrrrrr
frosty mango
Yeah
warm plinth
that was 6k strength -.-
Yeah from the item, not from the passive
cerulean tusk
Did you use 3 dog packs under 1st boss too?
dry skiff
i know now, but 6k is not a small amount
mental scarab
Mhm aye the buff the packmaster gives the hounds, do you even interrupt it? They do zero dmg with it
dry skiff
definietly gained a big dps increase and i could easily feel it
dry skiff
yes, this week i got 723 shield and crafted belt but i felt so much weaker than before. i did bunch of floodgates and all of those 1st packs i had to use everything i had
dry skiff
40k is more than 40% of my primary stat
cerulean tusk
Meh, my brain is ruined by big number swings of burst. Maybe ppl can feel 5%
frosty mango
Did you use 3 dog packs under 1st boss too?
I pull hounds plus the caster 2 pack to the right and Los it
First boss is a nothingburger im convinced you could pull 5 packs into it
cerulean tusk
Not fan of casters, pugs keep missing em
dry skiff
remove your waist see how that feels xD
cerulean tusk
I kinda want to drag the small guys down to the boss as well
I wouldnt notice it
I am pretty sure
dry skiff
maybe because i'm stuck at floodgate, i keep doing the dungeon and i am now used to every single extra hit i recieve
i notice the small things, but i legit died this week. never happened before, i never had to use all of my defensives for 1 pack alone
after i ditch the leather and equiped a 704, it felt normal again
frosty mango
remove your waist see how that feels xD
Bro I wish I could remove my waist
cerulean tusk
frosty mango
My wife bitches about my waist constantly
cerulean tusk
6k is less than 5% no?
cerulean tusk
My wife bitches about my waist constantly
warm plinth
It's right at 5%
dry skiff
how do you have 120k primary O_O
warm plinth
Trinket probably
frosty mango
You’re using a non main stat trinket
cerulean tusk
So how is 40k more than 40%
frosty mango
Also your chest and legs are 710
cerulean tusk
My head hurts, Roid do math for me
warm plinth
even at his stat, it would be less
outer willow
How much vers you guys fucking with
frosty mango
Big main stat drop
dry skiff
i pulled that number straight outta my ass why are you stuck at that ? xD
warm plinth
idk like 3k
cerulean tusk
Why ppl do me like that
frosty mango
Speaking of waists it’s time for me to eat
warm plinth
hey I guessed, not bad
cerulean tusk
Enjoy the happy meal
dry skiff
the whole time i played warrior this season i must have died about 10 times or even less, even in the learning curve. this week i died 3 times at 1st pack xD
dry skiff
no way, i do the same shit over and over even my position
cerulean tusk
do you remember to not get surrounded and strafe run?
dry skiff
doesnt matter, when i have been doing the same shit, felt weak at a point, noticed leather belt, changed it and everything is now fine. why would it matter
dry skiff
alright but how do you explain the weak point when i didnt even know i had leather belt on
a new day, i wake up i do dungeon and get fcked for a few days straight
cerulean tusk
Same way I cant explain it to a guy who rolled a dice and he never rolled a 6 - but then he touched his nose, and then rolled a 6. So now he always touches his nose so he can get a 6; that the nosetouching never was the factor. I cant explain it to you.
cerulean tusk
Who knows, maybe every time you rolled a 6 in your life, it was cause you touched your nose without thinking about it
dry skiff
all i know is that for a few days i had been clenching my asschicks everytime is recieved damage in a pack
cerulean tusk
As that belt would make up what, less than a % in armor mitigation, I doubt it affected much
dry skiff
i remember kira said those guys are 718, and i'm 715, he said he could push two higher levels if he had those ilvls. now maybe he meant damage wise, but it has to add up for something
1 more thing and probably the answer
cerulean tusk
It is more than nothing, but it shouldnt be a change from "MY ASS GETTING WHOPPED!" to "This is chill."
That is only what a shield diff would do
dry skiff
i have hyperthyroidism, a very aggressive one, it increases my sensitivity and fcks wiht my nerves. tremors in hands and such things, maybe i felt something that a healthy person wouldnt think much of
maybe it was indeed those little things
warm plinth
Hear me out
cerulean tusk
Mastery is a bad stat
warm plinth
Get one of those weird glove type deals with all the little switches in them
And then just let the tremors play your spec for you
ezpz
You say disability, I say superpower
dry skiff
i have surgery in 4 month you're too late xD
warm plinth
damn
cerulean tusk
Nooo! THE GOVERMENT STOPS YOU!
warm plinth
I mean, that's good for you though, happy for you for that!
cerulean tusk
The illuminati wins again
warm plinth
My mama had it a while back so they yoinked hers
dry skiff
the government doesnt care. in 4 month if my health is as fcked up as now, i will be relieved on military duty
so i'm waiting
the more i think about it the more it makes sense, a healthy person is calmer, alot calmer. maybe a little worse situation that before affected me at greater magnitude
cerulean tusk
Armor no belt:
dry skiff
but i'm telling you, these few days had been nightmare, i even thought of changing class
cerulean tusk
armor with belt
You do gain about 10% health tho, that could prob be felt - if ya super focused on your healthbar bouncing
dry skiff
and hey, even if it was all placebo, GOOD. i needed that
cerulean tusk
216k to 244k
Ngl, it would be hillarious if you was just affected by some neat coding bug
where you equiping leather, turned all your armor to leather value
or something silly like that
dry skiff
whatever it was i even died at priory 1st pack
mental scarab
Why did you use leather belt
cerulean tusk
Stylechoice
dry skiff
if ihad to explain it, it felt like ignore pain was weaked. i use it and it's insta gone
dry skiff
Why did you use leather belt <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
never craft your items when you're sleepy
mental scarab
Hahahah I see
dry skiff
it's all good, bygones, but that one MF in mythic raid i wont forgive
i dont know if you were there when i asked here about advise. long story short i was told that 720 crafted belt is better than 723 mythic
i rolled for mythic belt, won. and that ONE MF inspected me and said " yours is better "
mental scarab
Eh
frosty mango
Someone call the Brussels sprouts police bc I need to report a crime
dry skiff
and i traded him the plate belt while i had leather belt on xD
mental scarab
frosty mango
Pretty sure I just ate like 3 pounds
dry skiff
he saw my leather belt and thought " this guy is a moron "
cerulean tusk
Ya never answered tho
mental scarab
You gonna shit your self man
cerulean tusk
Buttersteamed?
dry skiff
i lost track of the conversation, what are you people talking about o_o
cerulean tusk
Rosenkål
mental scarab
3 pounds of brussel
dry skiff
is that a food
mental scarab
Bitter veggie
cerulean tusk
They not really bitter tho
mental scarab
WELL the ones I get are
dry skiff
never heared of it, convert to felafel or some oily shit next time so i understnad
mental scarab
Like super tiny white cabbage but they are green
Mhmmmm
We eat them at Christmas every year
Maybe that’s the problem
dry skiff
just googled it, never saw it in my country. what does it taste like ? o_o
cerulean tusk
Dude, try to steam em over butter
trust
It tastes like, kael, kinda like broccoli, but with its own unique twist
mental scarab
Like stuff you find out in the forest
dry skiff
aaaa. disapointing T_T
mental scarab
Give me zero happiness
dry skiff
i expected it to taste sour
frosty mango
Buttersteamed?
Roasted w lemon and some capers
Also got the worlds biggest asparagus
frosty mango
Bitter veggie
Only if you cook em wrong
frosty mango
Boiling it
mental scarab
Should have sweet heart cabbage with lemon and butter grilled @frosty mango
frosty mango
The same way people cook all veggies wrong
frosty mango
For Christmas I roast Brussels under the ham
warm plinth
I've had brussel sprouts three times in my life. Twice they were quite nice, once they were gross
frosty mango
And you let the ham drippings coat them
dry skiff
i would starve to death
frosty mango
Yall need more fiber in your life
cerulean tusk
I eat a lot of root veggies, I am good - that and broco's, man I love broco
dry skiff
we do have fiber in our lives, it's between a burger and tomato
cerulean tusk
Kong King, the offbrand King Kong, that only climbs toilets
dry skiff
<@357452436920598528> just eat beans instead, a lot of fiber
i have more than 20 cans of beans in my cabinet, shit is delicious
dry skiff
when i was a kid, this guy invented my love for beans
dry skiff
Movie : they call me trinity
cerulean tusk
mental scarab
@dry skiff did you know he fasted for like 2 days for that scene
dry skiff
i was about to say 3 xD
i just thought about it
the chef's face was amusing to watch
dry skiff
<@357452436920598528> did you know he fasted for like 2 days for that scene
i cant understand it tho, whenever i dont eat for a while. i cant stomach much food after. have to eat slow bit by bit
i dont understand how people fast and eat lke an elephant
mental scarab
@dry skiff same my belly shrink when I don’t eat
cerulean tusk
Different bodies are adjusted and programmed for different things; so follow your stomach, it is your smartest organ for a reason
dry skiff
i was 52 kilos at 25 years. started taking a supplement 2 times a day at 1k Calories which somehow made me want more food. it was an unhealthy suplement only make in here. it quickly got out of hand and i was eating 10 times a day, my stomach had no limit somehow, i gained 18 kilos that month
fcked my kidney and liver up tho, took me 7 month to get back to 62 kilo
60% of it went to my belly, 40% to my ass
cerulean tusk
Cant be healthy to gain that much in such a short time for sure, but gaining weight when ya basically a leaf in the wind kind of light - prob a good call.
I would not do that by bulk eating tho, but by bulking
Still, I will take your lesson learned with me in my life - Dont eat those weird supplements
dry skiff
not a good choice of supplement, it had Cortone in it, i developed a liver issue which i still have it at 31. and cortone basically made my sex life non existant
2 years i couldnt perform
be careful what you eat
frosty mango
Playing wow and being a neckbeard made my sex life non existent
cerulean tusk
Doubt that
dry skiff
i lost the woman of my life then
frosty mango
How did we go from Brussels sprouts to losing our loves
cerulean tusk
Think we reached the point where we need to roll back on the Offtopic
frosty mango
Shit got dark
dry skiff
it was like an addiction to food, whenever my mouth wasnt chewing, my hands would shake ( long before i had hyperthyroidsm )
cerulean tusk
before blues comes after us
warm plinth
All I'm doing is sitting here converting those numbers to lbs and wondering how short you have to be for those to be dangerous numbers
dry skiff
agreed, Gl gentlemen xd
dry skiff
All I'm doing is sitting here converting those numbers to lbs and wondering how ...
179cm, convert that too
warm plinth
that's like...5'10ish. But 70 kilos is only 154 lbs, which is not unhealthy for 5'10?
cerulean tusk
70kgs aint unhealthy, 50kgs are
dry skiff
you mean 52kilos ? xD
frosty mango
I am 310 lbs 6ft 6
dry skiff
i cant gain weight until i do my surgery for hyperthyroidsm
warm plinth
I thought you were referring to the 70kgs as being bad since you were saying you gained 18kg in a month
frosty mango
What is that in kilos
warm plinth
I don't; I'm just fat
cerulean tusk
140kg? If that is muscles and bone mostly, ya should be fine
cerulean tusk
Well, ofc not
frosty mango
I’m active
cerulean tusk
ripped means lean, lean isnt same as built
cerulean tusk
Cold on the inside, frozen bellow - always empty when you need it the most
cerulean tusk
Do you eat sprouts?
frosty mango
lol I work from home but I try to get my laptop out
You have to
Staying inside all the time ruins you
dry skiff
Uh I’m not ripped
my TSH result was 0.004 and normal range was about 3. that's almost 1000 times worse than normal
no fcking way i can gain any weight
warm plinth
I couldn't work from home; I already don't leave my apartment, and I would get distracted too easily
frosty mango
my TSH result was 0.004 and normal range was about 3. that's almost 1000 times w...
I have hashimotos so I have the opposite problem
dry skiff
you must be good in bed tho xD you may not feel much in bed but women should be pleased
warm plinth
what
dry skiff
it's one perk of his condition
frosty mango
Hey I don’t know how those lines connect
But I’ll take it
My wife never complains
dry skiff
i'll explain
warm plinth
I feel like you don't need to
frosty mango
Some things are better left to the ol googler
dry skiff
no it's not bad just pointing out a fact
warm plinth
I can google it if I feel like I need to know. At this point, I do not feel like I do.
cerulean tusk
Skizel, ya know there are social norms and things ya dont talk about
Ya stepping on em lines
Time to reel it back
warm plinth
cerulean tusk
And that coming from Funky
dry skiff
Thyroid meses with your nerves. You feel alot more with hyperthyroidsm, and alot less with hypothyroidism. directly translates to your performance in bed
i lost all my powers in bed xD
dry skiff
we're just talking science .-.
dry skiff
i'm gonan take a shower o/
cerulean tusk
Hf o/
warm plinth
warm plinth
solid sun
Called filters or something
Ty
solid sun
It’s under advanced options
@round pendant
solid sun
Rate my cheesecake
Looks delicious
frosty mango
Rate my cheesecake
10/10 roid approved
nocturne spindle
Biscoff cookie crust instead of graham cracker
solid sun
Never had a tart
nocturne spindle
It's so much better than regular
nocturne spindle
Asians
frosty mango
I love Asians
nocturne spindle
Lmao
frosty mango
I love Latinos too
And Africans
And African Americans
And Latino Americans
Basically anyone who cooks food with flavor I love
So really anyone but Germans
solid sun
Am I included
frosty mango
But I love them too because they have good beer
solid sun
True
What's even in a tart
And why is using a tart pan big brain. I'd assume most people would make a tart in a tart pan
frosty mango
A tart is just a shape really
It’s just working with a springform pan is irritating
The tart will be shallower but probably bakes a lot more even
solid sun
Because it feels like a pie
frosty mango
No that’s a topping
solid sun
Because like a chocolate pie is topped with meringue and it's a pie
frosty mango
Lemon meringue is technically a tart
solid sun
Key lime pie
frosty mango
Chocolate pudding pie with meringue is technically a custard
Also a custard
Pumpkin pie as well
solid sun
But they have pie in the name
frosty mango
Well so does pizza pie
nocturne spindle
Yea the tart pan is the one where the sides fall down as well
So you just let it cool and push it up and you Gucci
frosty mango
Cheesecake
solid sun
k;hjgroeaioghjskhlirujfaksg
But that's a cake not a tart!
What's even happening right now
solid sun
Blueberry cornbread is an interesting combo
frosty mango
But that's a cake not a tart!
Technically it’s a custard
In a tart pan
So it’s a cheesecake custard tart
solid sun
I've only ever seen regular cornbread or jalapeno cornbread
frosty mango
Blueberry and lemon is a wonderful cornbread combo
Cornbread is a great flavor vehicle
Both savory and sweet
solid sun
Do you consider lattice to be a top
frosty mango
Yes
frosty mango
Imo pastry crust and pastry top = pie
No top
If the filling is set with egg - it’s a custard
If the filling is set with pectin (fruit) it’s a tart
solid sun
I've only ever made red velvet cakes so I'm not too experienced with dessert making
I've been wanting to figure out a pie though that I could bring to family get togethers instead of always being the smoked meat guy
frosty mango
Peach blueberry
Just use the premade crust from the fridge section
Peach blueberry is a bomb bbq combo
You could also do cobbler if you want which is easier than pie
solid sun
I was thinking about apple cinnamon
Because doing the lattice on top sounds fun
But I do like peaches more than I like apples
frosty mango
It’s pretty hard to fuck up a pie filling
The crust is the hard part
Hello warrior lurkers not only do we specialize in shields, but also baked goods and bbq meats
solid sun
Bro
My smoked turkey breast list is growing
I already have like 6 families asking for one
solid sun
It really is
I think I need to get a second refrigerator so I can brine a bunch of them at one time
frosty mango
I had one relative who bitched about no dark meat “well what if I want dark meat” then I suggest you go elsewhere and eat somebody else’s food you ungrateful turd
frosty mango
We don’t host much, that’s why
I’d rather just bring food lol
One day I will break 6m in eco dome
So close
solid sun
I have War, Druid, Mage, Rogue, DK, Monk, DH, Paladin, and Priest all at 80
What should I use my boost on
Hunter, Shaman, or Warlock
frosty mango
Hunter, Shaman, or Warlock
Do
You like to heal
Shammy is great rn for learning healing both raid and m+
solid sun
I haven't healed since MW in Legion
The raid with uhhh the big red demon guy at the end
And velen was like ha you suck dude smell ya later
livid onyx
is there some full dmg build for weekly keys?
lusty grotto
yes the weekly build
undone beacon
I already have like 6 families asking for one
Make it 7 habibi
solid sun
lol
I told all my friends you were joining us for raid next expansion, Pash
Now you're obligated 
undone beacon
Oh goodness
solid sun
I'm jk don't worry
frosty mango
has anyone broken 6m in ara kara yet?
on like a real key?
ie: not a 10 with the affix buff
sinful copper
has anyone broken 6m in ara kara yet?
Yes easily ||on my frost dk||
lime spruce
if I took a week off M+ is there any other way to get a key besides getting into a pf group
frosty mango
did you open your vault
lime spruce
I don't have a vault to open
lime spruce
oh sick nope we're good got a +13 tyvm
didn't know she did that lol I never understand what she can do or when
frosty mango
wait did they remove the stat threshhold option in raidbots?
it was there earlier in the expansion
sinful copper
need windwalkers to get buffs
It's a double bonus because ww's do shit AOE DPS and rly good single, so they leave more pad DPS for you and kill bosses faster and on top of it, the monk buff
sinful copper
Not uncapped, right?
frosty mango
and sub tank dps the others lol
no its not uncapped but with cooldowns and a 20 stack capacitor you can crank some dps
sinful copper
So big pulls they're still like 8-9M at the end and everyone else is like 25m+
frosty mango
but no cooldowns no damage
no I can rip 20-30m dps on a pack if I have all my cooldowns
but then the next 2 packs Im doing literally nothing
theres just no world where a WW offers anything over a dk or a dh
at any key level sadly
nocturne spindle
has anyone broken 6m in ara kara yet?
I have a 5.85 details
That's highest I got I think
frosty mango
I have a 5.85 details
Yea 5.8 for me
frosty mango
Crit gamers
Prob shift like 5000 of that crit to mastery tbh
shrewd grove
I just re simmed and I'm doing exactly that haha
sinful copper
theres just no world where a WW offers anything over a dk or a dh
Yeah it's really sad how big the gap is between meta classes and not meta
frosty mango
thats where I am, though i really kinda want a little more haste
i still keep SB up but I do notice I need to be very good about it
sinful copper
What's your SB % now?
frosty mango
Yeah it's really sad how big the gap is between meta classes and not meta
WW in particular is really in a bad spot right now
frosty mango
What's your SB % now?
92 ish?
sinful copper
WW in particular is really in a bad spot right now
Yeah my buddy is a WW one trick 
frosty mango
at 25k it was 96 ish
and I dont necessarily notice I lose it when its needed but I do need to be very good about coverage now
theres not much breathing room
sinful copper
Demo shout and IP cover a lot, no?
nocturne spindle
Not really
frosty mango
dont really view those as defensive tools, they wont keep you alive
if you have no shield block
sinful copper
Ooh
frosty mango
yeah after turbo boost this is a nonissue
nocturne spindle
Probably better to be around there right now
sinful copper
Uncapped stuff so
Some haste. Uncapped on 21st for NA
frosty mango
tbh this is holding me down
was a good early vault pick but its def not my best option now
sinful copper
I got the myth haste/crit chest from vault 
nocturne spindle
Yea I have crafted shoulders and myth chest ATM
frosty mango
well even the plexus chest is a significant upgrade
but I may craft chest next week
sinful copper
Dang
nocturne spindle
I have a myth soleahs neck though
frosty mango
If I get a poop vault on tuesday I figure I can take frag then craft a fat turbo boosted chest
and that would actually be fat
nocturne spindle
So big haste once I get the crests for that to go past 707
Then in three weeks
Biggggg ire time
frosty mango
i finally got a normal ire
but short of getting in as an alt on my raid or buying it ill never get it on mythic lol
im going to try to squeeze in on frac at least
snake it from vault
nocturne spindle
Yea
I'm hoping I vault or boss drop it before then
So I can day one seaforium
warm plinth
when you zone into mythic and see the other tank wearing this
Sick trinket bro
boreal heath
when you zone into mythic and see the other tank wearing this
At least you know bro isn't missing any stam
frosty mango
Know a few things he is missing
warm plinth
Know a few things he is missing
Does it start with brain and end with cells
frosty mango
you're so smart
solid sun
Bet he doesn't have any delicious smoked meats, either
lusty grotto
thats an ALT + F4 angle ngl
frosty mango
This group just wiped on plexus at 1% and I was having the best rng of my life
unique girder
what things would i look at in my keystone logs to improve on? block/ip uptime seem obvious, but they're 80-90+% uptime.
frosty mango
what things would i look at in my keystone logs to improve on? block/ip uptime s...
You can post in #1347646810457636974
someone (or many ones) will take a look
lusty grotto
80?
thats no bueno
90, thats bueno
so thats a bad range
in general
80 to 90 has a lot of improvement to be made
and i hope youre looking at effective uptime
and not aura uptime
unique girder
and i hope youre looking at effective uptime
was looking under buffs, how do i look at effective uptime?
lusty grotto
hover with your mouse over blockable hits
melee is a good pick and whatever is blockable in our sheet
unique girder
hover with your mouse over blockable *hits*
fantastic, thanks. so i'd compare this number to similar key levels and overall damage? from there i guess drill down into specific combats to see why they're different?
lusty grotto
no need to compare
you want 90%+
on blocks
its not a comparable thing
they shouldnt be different
if someone is under 90, they are just not playing correctly
period
end of story
shrewd grove
^ All of this, but as an addendum: If your SB uptime is 90-95% but you're still only at 80% blocked hits that means you're taking back shots. Can't block hits from enemies that aren't in front of you. Meaning the solution will be positioning moreso than more SB uptime. Important to be able to tell the difference so you're fixing the right problem
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
fantastic, thanks. so i'd compare this number to similar key levels and overall ...
read above, tl;dr no
unique girder
incredible advice ty ty
unique girder
^ All of this, but as an addendum: If your SB uptime is 90-95% but you're still ...
i for sure am taking a lot of back shots, in game also. how could i go about realise where i've fucked up, look at specific pull combats? or is ther a WA for in the moment? i had a look on wago but couldn't see
pastel summit
i for sure am taking a lot of back shots, in game also. how could i go about rea...
Don't let stuff hit you from behind.
shrewd grove
Oh, I love the idea. I just wish they did it in the other order
Create the Blizz solutions, then once they're all good and classes are simplified you disable WAs and shit
Feels like first tier of Midnight is just gonna be a clusterfuck right now
lusty grotto
yeah it really needs a more staged approach, ive said so here
my suspicion is that its not as simple to do, luxthos also had some insight into that
unique girder
i mean it's 72 hours into alpha. i've played long enough to see these end-of-wow moments fade
cerulean tusk
I want em just to just pull the rug out from out under our feet. Forcing us to stand on bare blizzard ground
Sinking into the mire of minor annoyances
lusty grotto
frosty mango
i for sure am taking a lot of back shots, in game also. how could i go about rea...
there is a way to do this currently
but it is very compute expensive
that is why
you dont see it
unique girder
my dad's nasa
frosty mango
yeah well unless you're gaming on the computer in their basement better get used to using eyes lol
unique girder
humour me, what are these forbidden ways
frosty mango
my suspicion is that its not as simple to do, luxthos also had some insight into...
it is not simple (for blizz) because they technically use the same engine as addon devs
so if the UI can do something for the most part so can an addon
well the same APIs
At the same time blizz is a multi billion dollar company so I’m pretty sure they could figure it out
wanton garnet
hey guys is started a prot warrior and i see two builds as MT for m+, One with a focus on execute dmg. Other on bloodborne and EA. does it matter much wich i take?
lusty grotto
hey guys is started a prot warrior and i see two builds as MT for m+, One with a...
if you mean the wowhead builds, you pick the weekly keys build
its pretty straightforward
the push build is only for 18+
wanton garnet
well i picked a wowhead build that has 3 talents for execute but then i saw high RIO warriors not running them
I never tanked b4 its just for alt fun. So i guess either is good to take but the execute will do more dmg?
lusty grotto
they are using builds for the keys they do
yes you take the weekly keys build
and no, you dont need the push build
so no, either arent good, you will learn more with the weekly keys build
also make sure you talent into Heavy Repercussions if you dont have 21k+ haste
wanton garnet
Alright thats good to know thanks
lusty grotto
so make that change
if needed
if you have more than 21k haste, you can run Into The Fray
thats very important
feral prairie
is there a WA that shows any spell that is SFable getting cast on me?
wanton garnet
if you have more than 21k haste, you can run Into The Fray
Thats really good to know. switching those. thnx
Can i bind Shieldblock to Shieldslam? since i need 100% uptime anyway? or is that just a bad idea
lusty grotto
no, you dont wanna do that
that will work against you
slamming SB when shit is about to die so youll get a gap and die on a next pull
and/or contribute to the duration cap
huge nono macroing SB to anything else
use it on its own bind
and track it so you know its duration
wanton garnet
slamming SB when shit is about to die so youll get a gap and die on a next pull
ah thats a fair point. Ill make a weakaura untill i get it in my brain rotation
lusty grotto
there's really no such thing as a brain rotation, its always good to track it
ive played since vanilla and i have a WA that tracks it
wanton garnet
got it. thnx!
tardy turret
Anyone got a good spell reflect WA?
distant meadow
is unyielding netherprism any good? won it in my heroic pug
barren cedar
Are there specific Nameplates or Addons highly recommended for tanking?
paper stump
is unyielding netherprism any good? won it in my heroic pug
Not for prot no. You aim for brand / peacemaker/ antenna / tome…
distant meadow
i got brand and pacemaker. just curious is all 😄
distant meadow
i couldnt ever get tomb to drop. honestly im fine with it too lol
paper stump
I still see Brand /Peacemaker the best so far.
jagged pier
Pacemaker is not the best antenna is better
hardy snow
I can have antenna only when they enable vendor 
We are at nexus King and like 6 dps still needs myth one
indigo hawk
Are there specific Nameplates or Addons highly recommended for tanking?
I use Quazii plater for free
The best free plater for tank
jagged pier
I can have antenna only when they enable vendor <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
Honestly very little point in buying unless u are pushing keys imo, even in raid there are very similar/better trinkets for short fights and ling fights
vital vale
https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4
gonna miss this
jagged pier
Been telling ppl to learn for expansions instead of rely on a weakaura 
Probably be bakes into the new nameplates anyway
cerulean tusk
Blizzard should just make SR a passive. Would fit perfectly in with their modern philosophy of simplified gsmeplay
jagged pier
I think read somewhere if a spell is veing cast at you there bar lights up or they want that to happen. Or im pure 
and made it up
hardy snow
Honestly very little point in buying unless u are pushing keys imo, even in raid...
I know, im running pace and statstick from tazavesh, fine for me
Already got mount for 3k, now keys are just for vault 🤷♂️
vital vale
I think read somewhere if a spell is veing cast at you there bar lights up or th...
would be poggers
warm plinth
I think read somewhere if a spell is veing cast at you there bar lights up or th...
The light up is an important cast happening, but they did mention a mob targeting you thing in one of the interviews/posts
warm plinth
<@&257983573498265600>
frosty mango
doesn't press cc ✅
gapped on kicks ✅
dk doing tank damage on bosses ✅
dh zero blur the entire dungeon ✅
"yes this is a route problem"
I love pugging
jagged pier
youve been doing this long enough to know that its always the tanks faults
frosty mango
It's just comical to me lol
dark barn
One day a dps asked me if i was even main tank... when raider io showed 3500 io / CE last season
If you play well 99 times and do a fatal mistake once, all the dps will think you play like garbage every single time and will start the trash talking
jagged pier
why do u think i just stop at 3k and call it a day, and play other games
frosty mango
it takes 3 seconds to look at details and be like "welp you kicked 12 times and pressed blinding sleet once, and got outdpsed by the tank on the boss"
jagged pier
cba wasting my time
jagged pier
ppl dont do that
top ppl dont even log 99% of their keys
well they might but when asked they never seem to give them in the cases where ive asked for them
dark barn
I will never push super high again in pugs, just lost sanity in the process...
jagged pier
but then again they dont ever come in here so i dont really ask, but the ppl that come in early season that say x and y and y u should run z and a blah blah never log even tho they are 'high io'
ppl just dont do it
m+ it basically gg go again
pray no one makes a mistake
like this week i got called a beta tank because i didnt want to drag adds onto a boss
we still 3 chested the key btw
so we would have saved what 30secs
like honestly grow a pair
frosty mango
lol
He called my route bad in dawnbreaker because I went to town miniboss second
Because lust was up
Because they had awful dps
jagged pier
that is the route tho
jagged pier
like that is the most time efficent way
theres only response
want to plan the route
play a tank
that shuts them up
round pendant
like this week i got called a beta tank because i didnt want to drag adds onto a...
my reaction as assassination rogue: 
my reaction as pwar: 
solid sun
Lots of moaning and groaning when you have to pug
But gaming with the friends is a breath of fresh air
We’re pretty good about laughing about mistakes though.
blazing shuttle
that shuts them up
I love when DPS say: "No do this route"
jagged pier
No when they say that, you just go. 'You can do that when you tank'
solid sun
I also get really frustrated by aggressive pingers
jagged pier
Yer ppl ping i dont pull
solid sun
That drives me up the wall in a very real way.
jagged pier
I actively slow down
warm plinth
I don't even know where the fuck they pinged half the time
jagged pier
Old blind man ghash 
warm plinth
Like I'm not about to do a mctwist flipshit 920 with my camera to figure out where you just pinged
round pendant
idc if people ping personally
unless they do it constantly
lmao
had some paladin ping an extra pack every single pull
seemingly not realising there's stuff in those packs that will just murder us if it's on top of what we already have
blazing shuttle
Speaking of.
I have quite the story to tell you guys about a very low key DPS fail. A typical fail.
helping a friend through 12s.
Gambit.
Gathering the first beeg pull. We had a DH.
Guess what he did.
warm plinth
Instantly Hunted and died?
blazing shuttle
Sigil of fire + Immo aura.
At times, I feel like DPS are just...
They don't think, they just DPS.
blazing shuttle
seemingly not realising there's stuff in those packs that will just murder us if...
Like this: "BUT MPUH DPS"
shrewd grove
it takes 3 seconds to look at details and be like "welp you kicked 12 times and ...
Idk what it is with DPS getting out damaged on bosses this season. There's always one, even up in 15+
warm plinth
what level of gambit?
wanton garnet
guys how are you holding up shield block 100%? Im doing my rotation and sometimes fall a few seconds short
warm plinth
What's your haste rating
frosty mango
what level of gambit?
15
frosty mango
guys how are you holding up shield block 100%? Im doing my rotation and sometime...
This is normal
Especially if you’re under like 24000 haste
frosty mango
how tf anyone doing sub 3 mil in a 15
It’s 11am on a Sunday
warm plinth
what was the overalls at the end
frosty mango
You gotta pull big
warm plinth
BM doesn't like all the random mobs running away at the start
wanton garnet
This is normal
Am i in danger when it drops? Should i kite or anything
warm plinth
You shouldn't have like more than a second or so of downtime, provided your haste is where it should be/you're running the proper talent
tawdry cloak
If you don’t want it to drop you can always run heavy repercussions instead of into the fray
Which you may need to do anyway if your haste isn’t high enough yet
round pendant
Uh dk was like 8m, me and sham 5.5m ret 5m
ret 5m? how
literally how the class is 2 buttons
okay maybe 3
and just pumps every like 40 seconds or whatever
lime spruce
do people like doing vault keys as +12s or +10s more
round pendant
I personally like 12s more
lime spruce
does it change if you're pugging
regal yarrow
Does anyone else have to repair their shield every other dungeon while the rest of their gear is over 75% durability?
round pendant
does it change if you're pugging
no
players in 10s are significantly worse and ignore the affixes
tho at this point everyone in 12s and lower is kinda bad
but the affixes can just grief so hard
12s are just chill w-key and pump and I don't have to worry about some affix griefing a boss fight
but they take longer
lime spruce
sounds good I'll keep it 12 then
hollow hamlet
what are prot warrior pulling for overall dps in 12+ these days? Trying to see if im in the right ball park
deft mortar
undone beacon
god strongest "bis trinket" user ( 
) vs gods weakest stam trinket enjoyer:
regal yarrow
what are prot warrior pulling for overall dps in 12+ these days? Trying to see i...
aim for a little over 5m for 99th percentile
hollow hamlet
ty im at 4.5 right now so some work to do
acoustic notch
ey , i have equipped everforged vambraces , everforged defender and everforged longsword, should i change my fresh ethereal fetters for an everforged greatbelt and change my shield or weapon for a raid weapon and shield?
mighty valley
ey , i have equipped everforged vambraces , everforged defender and everforged ...
All that matters is ilvl, use myth track if you can, craft if you can’t
acoustic notch
so when i get the myth weapons, is when i should change the crafted weapons?
mighty valley
Once you can upgrade it enough to be higher ilvl than the crafted weapon, yeah
coarse sable
hi i started playing prot warri today and read the rotation WoW head guide - do i never press Execute, Harmstring Whirlwind and Slam?
mental scarab
Execute when execute is flashing the rest no
coarse sable
ok thx
sudden grotto
does thunderblast deal more st damage than shield slam outside of violent outburst ?
coarse sable
Execute when execute is flashing <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751> the rest no
can u explain me how to use my rage? only with ignore pain and revenge?
mighty valley
Revenge when all your other buttons are on cooldown, Ignore Pain when your rage bar is over 70 to prevent overcapping
Ignore Pain isn’t on the global cooldown so you can press it alongside your normal rotation
coarse sable
Revenge when all your other buttons are on cooldown, Ignore Pain when your rage ...
my other buttons? u mean thunder clap and shieldslam?
mighty valley
my other buttons? u mean thunder clap and shieldslam?
yeah, you want to hit a button every global cooldown — prioritize cooldowns (roar, shield charge etc) > shield slam > thunderclap > revenge
whatever the highest available button is
coarse sable
ok much love !
mighty valley
there’s a little more nuance but that’s good enough to get started
coarse sable
tell me everything - i want to use this class to push higher then my pala (im currently at 3.4k
so i need to know everyhting
mighty valley
I mean pretty much everything is in the wowhead guide for rotation stuff — the other things to track are keeping thunderblast stacks below two, sending violent outburst on the right button, execute usage
and the rare occasions where you might need to stack IP in really high keys
coarse sable
I mean pretty much everything is in the wowhead guide for rotation stuff — the o...
violent outburst on shield slam in 1-3 targets and on thunder clap above right?
mighty valley
never on thunderclap, but you can use it on thunderBLAST at high targets
esp with tier procs
blazing shuttle
So I have a stupid question.
When I have 1 to 2 charges of Thunderblast AND Avatar available.
Do I use Avatar, despite that I lose 2 TB charges, or do I still use my TB charges beforehand?
blazing shuttle
I see.
jagged pier
Like every gcd u dont press avatar is a waste of time
frosty mango
If you accidentally hit thunder blast instead of shield slam on st when outburst is up it’s a mild dps loss but using it on thunderclap adds up a lot
Hard agree w Jakey on avatar, drifting it just causes it to desync and you get so many blast procs it’s better to just send
blazing shuttle
Understood. Last question.
As MT, still spam Revenge no matter what, and IP at 70 to not overcap.
frosty mango
Do not spam revenge
You press revenge when you can’t press shield clap or thunder blast/clap or execute
blazing shuttle
Of course.
blazing shuttle
I'll take a look again, I feel like my rotation is not perfectg.
Just checked again. What I was doing, but gotta tinker on some things.
Cheers mate.
coarse sable
i thought that our main stats are haste/crit but why does kira play full haste/vers?
violet ginkgo
suggestive, he feel "safer" with having more vers.
blazing shuttle
Vers gives him raw damage reduction.
frosty mango
vers is % based DR and at that level of keys, having a very predictable type of reduction is easier to play around
sick sentinel
Among top prots
frosty mango
please delete this its not correct
sick sentinel
frosty mango
your "best" secondary stats are unique to your available gear once you have enough haste to keep shield block up properly
sick sentinel
It's an average median from collection of top prots, some have more haste some more vers
frosty mango
these values are meaningless to 99% of the playerbase because they will be far better served just simming their character at a base amount of haste than trying to aim for a specific percentage
frosty mango
It's an average median from collection of top prots, some have more haste some m...
yes and most people are not top prots, we also have a mathematical tool available to tell us which gear is the objective best
unless youre doing like bleeding edge keys youre going to be better served following the guide and then simming top gear
sick sentinel
Well prio can simply be said as Haste > Crit/vers > Mastery
frosty mango
your "best" secondary stats are unique to your available gear once you have enou...
read this again
thats not true
blazing shuttle
Every secondary stats are good
frosty mango
crit/vers is not always better than mastery
blazing shuttle
Nod nod
sick sentinel
General rule, Haste > Crit/Vers
sick sentinel
frosty mango
ESPECIALLY this season
if people follwed that theyd be running around with 33k haste
sick sentinel
tawdry cloak
Goji you’re not allowed to generalize here. Don’t waste your breath. If you’re not simming every combination of gear you have, you’re just wrong
frosty mango
Goji you’re not allowed to generalize here. Don’t waste your breath. If you’re n...
no you should not generalize because then some poor soul is going to come in here and take it literally and go off on their merry way doing something objectively incorrect
it takes the same amount of effort to be direct and clear than it does to generalize
its the same amount of words
violet ginkgo
out of curiosity, if in future blizz not allowing us to sim... what will we do? 🤔
sick sentinel
U can also read crit = parry but if in dungeon with no mobs to parry then direct DR from vers would be better to "generalize" in leymans terms
I feel better with vers so i go 12k crit, 20k haste, 12k vers
Feels good to me
sinful copper
Only 20k haste tho?
sick sentinel
I think i need 33k
tawdry cloak
no you should not generalize because then some poor soul is going to come in her...
Generally speaking if someone sees haste>crit/vers>mastery, and follow those rules for their gearing, they’re going to be within a margin of error of their best sims with the gear they have available. Generally speaking any poor soul that takes that advice in a vacuum and never sims or pursues additional information is going to perform just fine with the stats they have for the content they are doing
sick sentinel
*Generally speaking* if someone sees haste>crit/vers>mastery, and follow those r...
⭐
dry skiff
is there a trick to blood wrappers that i can live in ? i just got out of a boss fight, only had 1 shield wall for the pack. died at 2nd blood wrap cast
sick sentinel
dry skiff
did, even with the talent
sick sentinel
dry skiff
i even had " Hunker down "
frosty mango
is there a trick to blood wrappers that i can live in ? i just got out of a bos...
what key level?
frosty mango
if youre talking about the pull after big momma, I specifically stuff a trash pull between the boss and that pack
thats one of the worst packs in the game
dry skiff
show me your route, i just died because i didnt have any defensives. bossfight is hard
i couldnt save more
dry skiff
<:Spell_Reflection:289159828604059648>
you reflect the interruptable cast or you use it while channeling ?
sick sentinel
you reflect the interruptable cast or you use it while channeling ?
Everyone interrupts it always so i save for when i'm being beamed for DR
dry skiff
hate this dungeon man hate how developers thought it was a good idea to give adds such few counts
dry skiff
Everyone interrupts it always so i save for when i'm being beamed for DR
i got hit with it just before 2nd
frosty mango
sick sentinel
I hate having a spell reflect WA that screams "DO NOT INTERRUPT SPELL REFLECT IS UP" and they bloody interrupt it
frosty mango
if I have a sham I will usually just pull 6+8 together and go to the bloodwarper directly after boss bc sham can link it
otherwise I move 8 after boss which is less efficient but safer for healer cds
I generally dont run with funnel so my route is built around that
dry skiff
how do you time this ? you pull 2 more times than i do
frosty mango
if you have dh/arc you can prob still do something similar but might need to move stuff around
dry skiff
two extra pulls
frosty mango
how do you time this ? you pull 2 more times than i do
pulls 1, 2, and 6 are very efficient, 10+11 can be combined many times depending on the group, and chain pulling the majority of the dungeon
the timer is tight bc of travel time
dry skiff
let me show you mine, need feedback
frosty mango
pull 11 is a shit pull, not efficient at all, but i think divers are safer than crabs into swampface for most pugs
you can also meld skip the last trash pull (15) and make it up on big momma because pull 15 is heinously inefficient but I find people struggle to do that
dry skiff
https://threechest.io?id=Wwu9J947)LM
at first i was doing this. but i noticed we lose so much time on big momma because adds dont die and we spend time in shield " not to mention aoe overlap with tank buster hurts alot "
then i noticed people run away at pull 8 instead of CCing, so we often saw 3rd bloodwrap cast
then i noticed it takes a minimum 15 sec for us to skip last pack, and if only 1 person dies, we lose 15 sec + 10 sec for res
So i did this :
https://threechest.io?id=wAW3Jjew0GO
but still hurts
i avoided pulling crabs in swamp boss when i saw healers struggling already with aoe
oooooo wait
frosty mango
in your route I would pull the two soliders from 8 into big momma
the debuff + bloodwarp is rough
dry skiff
i just thought of this one, i think this is the one T_T
https://threechest.io?id=wAW3Jjew0GO
i can pul the soldiers in pull 8 also
dry skiff
where
frosty mango
bc youre waiting for rp
dry skiff
we dont wait for rp, someone does the bomb when i'm gathering
i mean pull 10
i pull, usually healer does the bomb in the meanwhile, and it must be a common knowledge because they all do
other than that, what do you think about the rest
frosty mango
your route is fundamentally the same as mine youre just skipping some mobs on 3 and picking up extra on big momma
do you have a set group?
or just pug
dry skiff
no i'm pugging it
frosty mango
youre meld skipping the last trash?
dry skiff
but i removed G10 from pull 1 and added pull 8 in between boss and bloodwrapper. also skipping last pack
now i can yea
i barely saw heaelrs giving me ok for healing last pack
they often bitch about it
frosty mango
theres nothing wrong with this route imo
if bloodwarpers are wrecking you then imo people just arent focusing them
dry skiff
yea i will try it i think this is very pug friendly
still we need a damn nerf for 1st boss
whenever boss casts 4th or 5th tank buster in a phase, i use the defensives reserved for next ones
i wanna know who is healing devs there, they dont seem to have an issue with the boss
shield wall, Reflect with hunker down talent, impending victory is sometimes not enough to dont put me in danger zone
mellow bridge
every phase should be only 3 hits
4th if youre in a high key and get deep into shield
never a 5th lol
shut stone
should I hold off on crafting items until next week? will this save me a spark?
mellow bridge
It will not save you a spark, no
shut stone
ty
errant wagon
Is there a haste minimum we want to be at?
Feels like no matter how I sim my character it is always telling me to stack on more vers for damage, and it's having me sit at like 15k haste which is sooo much lower than everyone else in high keys lol.
I am timing + surviving 18's completely fine running this way but it just feels weird? idk
lusty grotto
Is there a haste minimum we want to be at?
Feels like no matter how I sim my cha...
you dont rely on sims for haste