protection

[frosty mango]

feel like this is a crankfest for eco dome

if I had 3 banger dps I coulda hit 6m

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[frosty mango]

give me brand

im out here trolling with no brand

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[frosty mango]

buff thunderblast

not enough damage

[heavy sparrow]

Lol same

[surreal bluff]

any suggestion on what to craft? chest is still champ

[lament osprey]

Belt

[sharp merlin]

big moosy

[round pendant]

not looking forward to my keys with 22k haste

[jagged pier]

i run most of my keys with 21k

youll be fine

[round pendant]

we can't all be jakey

[dusk ice]

Finally resi 17 pugging (f u floodgate) before ilvl increases, free from prison

[jagged pier]

its honestly fine

[gleaming widget]

Next prison at 18 then after ilvl increase?

[dusk ice]

Sadly yes 😭

[wanton garnet]

Hey guys im installing my warrior as an new alt. Reading guides and rotations and i see Impending vistory, slam, whirlwind and rend not on the rotation. shouldnt i be using those?

[bleak scaffold]

Hi, rend is applied by TC/TB, it's an evolution of TC via a talent. Slam and Whirwind you are not going to use them

Impending Victory is not in the rotation it's to be used to help on healing when there is a global AOE to help the overall heal, or a big hit on you for examples

[wanton garnet]

ah good to know thanks

[meager python]

Yo guys, do raidbot sim correctly Reshii's boots ?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

but they're not a dps increase for us so it's not gonna show anything

[meager python]

y sure

thx

[wanton garnet]

wich hero spec would you guys suggest for beginners ? i read both are good

[zenith aurora]

I gave up and am just waiting for turbo

[bleak scaffold]

Both are good 🙂 Thane is most used as it as higher DPS at the moment.

[wanton garnet]

But no difference for super noobs with a easier rotation or less buttons?

[bleak scaffold]

It's close by i would say. I would recommand Thane as you'll get more materials to help you out. like videos or people you can compare too since it's more played

[cerulean tusk]

Both are good, Thane is easier to get going with and is less complex.

Now, I would recommend you to dabble a bit with both. As I personally prefer Col, as gameplay to me is a lot more fun, the high burst damage and high bleed healing is quite feels good

[sinful copper]

haha same! one of my first times hitting 5m overall actually

is this pretty decent waste %?

[round pendant]

could be better

could be worse

[bleak scaffold]

Just a tip I learned recently, to see your rage overall gain/wast, don't select yourself in the report, you'll see the rage per player instead of per spell

[sinful copper]

Oooh that's cool

[oak ivy]

i hit 6.3 in HOA 10 the other day, PB by a lot

[cerulean tusk]

Ok, ya beat my PB 5.5m Aas BDK and left me in the dust

[oak ivy]

in fairness it was but a humble 10 and i pulled the place in like 4 combats

[cerulean tusk]

Still respectable

[sharp merlin]

Do we still Macro Shield Slam from IP?

[oak ivy]

i dont think we ever did

[sharp merlin]

Good, cause I deleted the macro last night 😂

[jagged pier]

Yes we do

But again it replces your ip button

Not ss

Its only used to snipe resets when u press ip

[oak ivy]

ah right i forgor, i was thinking of "when press SS, cast IP also"

[sharp merlin]

Yeah that's what I meant jakey

to try and snipe some SS resets

with the CD of IP being 1sec, it's sometimes actually tough to dump rage when you're just getting free real estate

[jagged pier]

Yes u want it if u snipe a resrt u just press ip again

Its better for yyour fingers too cause you nit miving them in that case to hit 2 buttons

[sharp merlin]

ah fair

[cerulean tusk]

That's my secret, captain. I never move my fingers

[wanton garnet]

Guys are there buffs i should aways maintain as prot? Or is it just press a defensive when big dmg comes

[cerulean tusk]

Shield block up every day all day

Wall when big hits go ouchie

Rest on CD or when it makes sense

[sharp merlin]

and spell reflect if you think you're gonna take magic 😛

Prot is one of the easiest tanks to understand, but hardest to master fully. You can really go full damage mode on the nuances of understanding when you're gonna take hits etc

[wanton garnet]

cool thnx guys

[sharp merlin]

Gathering is also a high level of skill, but that goes for pretty much all tanks

[uncut sable]

I'm switching from Brewmaster to Prot warrior ~ Would anyone mind giving me a hand with my set up/rotations and so on?

edit: oops I typed too much about Brewmasters, so I edited it.

I was just hoping that someone may be willing to use VC or DM's to help a new warrior out.
I want to make Warriors look good/represent the power of Warriors! ^_^

Ahead of time:
Thanks for any/all the help! I'm a tauren, named JBMauney - Bleeding Hollow. (Yeah, the famous bull rider, who after his face was stepped on by a bull. As they were getting the strecher, he suddenly woke up, refused to go to the Hospital, and just asked for a Cig at the Health Tent lmfao).

Also, sorry for the long message/asking for help directly. I've spent the majority of the summer hospitalized myself, and I would just like to have a very strong start/not pick up bad habits.

I hope this wasn't the wrong place to post this.

[weary wigeon]

hi on nexus-king mm i have problems to move fast the boss to the edge any advice

[sharp merlin]

I played Brew last season too, got pretty much every tank to 3K+ except VDH.
The biggest changes I found from Brew to Prot was literally your ability to just ignore some mechanics on Prot big time 😂

We're all happy to help out a fellow fallen comrade via Tauren 😂

[elfin elk]

Heyo, for Mythic Nexus king does Guardian Angel work as an external or does the MC on death fuck with it?

Im not sure if it actually procs properly since you dont technically 'die'

[indigo mural]

Hello gamers, apologies in advance if its a question in the wrong channel, but how much of our overall dmg, % wise, should Execute be, in m+?

[strong forum]

depends on talent build

anywhere from 2 to 10%? i wanna say

[indigo mural]

i'm playing the default m+ build, had 7% in HoA +10 just now

ty for the info tho 😊

[wanton garnet]

Guys how hard is LFR to tank with 0 experience? can i just go in or should i watch some tanking vids

[bleak scaffold]

on 1-5, 0

[unreal yarrow]

I'd watch a quick video first if you are a fresh player.

But it's super easy to tank

[bleak scaffold]

You can check https://www.mythictrap.com/en

Overall explanations with short video to show, LFR is basically normal, sometime even some mechanics are removed :x

or simplified, like on saladar you don't need to know which group you are in, you are TP a the location directly

[bleak scaffold]

First you have some good informations on wowhead guide. and then you can ask questions here and find videos online where people explain how to play it. As mentionned by FunkyKitty just before your message playing war prot is fairly easy, difficult to master ^^

some links and helpfull details are listed here too https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1266837564925673596

[mellow yoke]

If I missed the spark last week can I catch up this week?

cause I just did a weekly activity quest and it didnt give me a 2nd spark

[bleak scaffold]

you'll get it when killing boss in raid, M+ and I think even in delves

[mellow yoke]

so I can just go do an LFR boss

[bleak scaffold]

yes LFR too

It's not guaranteed though

[lean furnace]

Any skips in dungeons I should learn as a nelf tank? Or maybe routes in general? My routes I’ve typically done aren’t working so great in 14s and up as of late. Idk if it’s just bad luck or things hit harder now

[dusk ice]

There’s no mandatory skips needed in any key at that level. About the only major skip this season is the last two jump starters in floodgate before last boss and even then you don’t seriously need to think about that until 18/19. As a Nelf (but any race really now the potion exists) a common skip I do in eco dome is the first sentinel after first boss.

[warm plinth]

You rejoining us in midnight sir?

Despite some silly gate talents (pain & gain required to get crackling thunder smh), you can actually pretty much get everything you'd want in the new trees

[pallid quiver]

just don't take crackling thunder, ez

[strong forum]

[solid sun]

Nome needs complexity

And a lot of skill expression

If everything becomes ez mode Nome would just beat the game in like 3 seconds solo and it'd be a waste of time

[ionic fern]

At least for leveling up.

[formal salmon]

guys for the discord suggested MT build for M+ can I drop the execute talents and go for other talents? I rarely click execute

[plush tendon]

check out the wowhead builds

execute with its corresponding talents does do a lot of damage, but you can just play the 'push' build

pretty free to do what you prefer

[formal salmon]

tysm

[ashen kestrel]

has anyone encountered this? its saying ive collected 9/10 fractures sparks but I dont have one in my bags

[lean furnace]

Bank??

[ashen kestrel]

postmaster, im dumb

thanks

[chrome falcon]

our BDK lives the slam with GS and like nothing else

or your hpriest can use it to keep themselves alive if they need to

[lofty warren]

What is the experts opinion on pwar 12.0?

[magic crag]

Question regarding next week and mythic plus mythic track trinkets easy ontainable, would a antenna hc be better than pacemaker mythic track? Ofc fully upgraded.
For mythic + higher keys

[gleaming mauve]

how do y'all feel about the removal of cooldown reduction on shield wall from the alpha

[gleaming mauve]

im not an expert but removing the cdr on shield is gonna be a massive blow

[brittle owl]

it's gonna have sword and board, defo

[frosty mango]

Is it though

They removed spell block and adjusted for its removal (which was imo a dumb way of going about it) but it has been largely fine

The sky didn’t fall

We’re like alpha stages right now, I’m personally not gonna think about it at all until we’re closer to open beta and get an actual sense of what gameplay might look like as a whole

[solid sun]

With all the changes hopefully they get us into the beta quickly so we have plenty of time to see how it all feels

[sharp merlin]

Anyone notice that Shockwave sometimes doesn't interrupt and sometimes it does?>

[frosty mango]

That’s because of stun Dr

You only get three stuns and then they don’t work anymore

If you’re grouped with a dh and a shaman you can assume your shockwave will stop working relatively early in a pull

[mental scarab]

@sharp merlin need to cast a fear to brake the DR that one I miss now on me war

[sharp merlin]

Hmmm

I thought so

And yes, it was DH and shammy 😂

Also on dragon boss gambit melee constantly moan, but they seem to blame tank for not having uptime, but range drop their puddles in Narnia? WTF

[chrome falcon]

not for long

that change is going to be so nice

[frosty mango]

Yes that is because they are dumb

[chrome falcon]

there's a channel for discussing midnight but worth remembering that every tank is losing all their CDR on defensive (as far as i'm aware) so it'll probably be balanced around that fact

[frosty mango]

You can adjust as the tank but only so much

[lofty warren]

Why did they remove cdr? Shield slam?

[gleaming mauve]

no i mean shield wall

[frosty mango]

AFAIK almost all cdr is removed in the game

For defensives

They don’t want living to be unpredictable

[gleaming mauve]

but most defensives on tanks like ardent defender and meta are like 2 minutes

[lofty warren]

Why they hate tanks?

[frosty mango]

What’s wild to me is changes like these are exactly what killed ff14

[gleaming mauve]

at least make shield wall 2 min

[solid sun]

Living shouldn’t be unpredictable imo

[lofty warren]

Did they do anything good at least?

[frosty mango]

If they can somehow align encounters to the new paradigm I think it will be ok

#1423009078099185674 tho

[gleaming mauve]

but the difference of having a 2 min defensive and 3 minute defensive is bonkers. Why not make it two minutes

[frosty mango]

Only in the context of current gameplay

We have no idea what encounter and dungeon design looks like

[sharp merlin]

Yeah but they’re like.. how did this tank get this rio?

Fucking morons

I swear no one enjoys playing the game 😂

[gleaming mauve]

im loving the changes with the shouts though finally warrior has some utility

nevermind ignore me

[undone beacon]

IGNORED

[bleak scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ignore-do-not-disturb-go-away-ignored-ignoring-gif-25567988

[undone beacon]

I swear to god im about to just vanish into legion remix and stop raiding lolol

[bleak scaffold]

Isn't what will happen for a lot of people ?

[jagged pier]

same

[neon elk]

Im conflicted on what i wanna play there , cuz DH just have tons of zooms zooms which at least in mop was hella usefull

[plush tendon]

for sure want to play something that can tank or heal

so you can que content and get stuff done fast

Im prob gonna play War or DK

[neon elk]

Im between war and dh , maaaaaybe druid

[lusty grotto]

i dont wanna play the same class again but im not gonna rule it out

so warrior, shaman, warlock, priest are kind of the options, the last 3 being my least played

[frosty mango]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/weakauras-x-140349416?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link

Chat are we cooked

[undone beacon]

I'm gonna play either a spriest or a dk I think

I played resto sham during mop remix but realized after a few weeks nobody needed healers

That may change with there being scaling dungeons and whatnot but

[lusty grotto]

yeah i aint playing healer

[plush tendon]

ngl, with enough hopium that the base blizz UI functions well enough to not need weakauras

https://tenor.com/view/the-sound-of-music-good-bye-bye-wave-waving-gif-4695623663260012658

if not.... then well get the pitchforks

[dry skiff]

will blizzard help restore sparks if a totally moron person that totally isnt me crafted leather instead of plate ?

[plush tendon]

maybe

place a ticket

a guildie did the same thing and got lucky

and they gave the spark back

but its such a case by case basis thing

[ashen kestrel]

what would yall gamers craft next? i guess ring?

[frosty mango]

Prob chest but sim

[ashen kestrel]

oh tru

forgot it was 701 still

[frosty mango]

Those boots looking sad too

Prob swap them for some heroic ones from m+ in the short term

[ashen kestrel]

very sadge - waiting for dinar boy - still havent got a brand either have like 10 lfr runs

[plush tendon]

I would craft ring personally, but chest is biggest upgrade

I know theres a mythic chest off first boss

but IDK what type of content you do weekly

[ashen kestrel]

just mythic plus mainly, havent really played this guy too much but just got back into it this week

[plush tendon]

you have any mythic raid experience/can you get into a first two pug? Friends for HM?

[ashen kestrel]

damn i really am a loser huh

i dont haha

[plush tendon]

chest is your best bet then

[lusty grotto]

why do you want LFR gear

just farm 7s

[plush tendon]

naw, its totally fine

those are just places with access to myth pieces

[ashen kestrel]

i dont, im just want brand

[lusty grotto]

veteran brand/boots are not better than hero tracks

just get a pace and a tome

[plush tendon]

so if you are able to do it, you may want to hold on craft first

[ashen kestrel]

have a myth pace, no tome yet

could farm a hero tome if thats better than lfr brand

didnt know that was the case

[lusty grotto]

its a veteran track brand

its 2 whole tracks under a hero track trinket

you can sim if you want to confirm but... it should be obvious it'll fall behind

[ashen kestrel]

yeah for some reason I thouhgt it gave primary stat

thats what made me confused

[nocturne spindle]

Everything but hero track gear will get vastly outperformed by other stuff especially once the 2 extra track levels happens

[ashen kestrel]

and thought it might edge out tome

[plush tendon]

dinars are in 2.5 weeks

[lusty grotto]

3

[plush tendon]

so if you want brand, you just need to do normal soul hunters to buy a hero track

[lusty grotto]

oh no you right its in 2

[ashen kestrel]

oh yeah ive got my shopping list ready haha - boots brand and idk, maybe a mud if i need it

[ashen kestrel]

yeah i did that once in week 1 tryna get it, havent done it since

[lusty grotto]

uhh

all 3 dont come out at the same time

[ashen kestrel]

im aware

[lusty grotto]

so shopping lists are 🤷‍♂️

cause you might get those items in the vault or as drops

[ashen kestrel]

i dont raid so i will not be getting boots or brand, maybe just mud

[lusty grotto]

why mud

[plush tendon]

yea, mud is lame af

[lusty grotto]

hero track mud is good enough

[plush tendon]

myth pacemaker for the bois

[undone beacon]

i love covering myself in mud i wont stand for mud slander

[ashen kestrel]

what else would you buy with a 3rd? if you only did m+ and I have a myth pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

from myth to hero you dont lose a whole lot and you still have the cdr which is exactly what you use it for

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/polar-bear-gif-13202069

[plush tendon]

myth idol

[lusty grotto]

because technically you use it on very select dungeons and encounters

[ashen kestrel]

yeah i only put it on for priory and flood really

[lusty grotto]

you dont really need in priory anymore

the bleed was nerfedd this season

[undone beacon]

just buy a myth bombsuit 4head

[lusty grotto]

and you dont go left

[plush tendon]

yea, priory is big chilling

floodgate is less so.... but mostly cause the timer on that place is kind of fucked

[lusty grotto]

well sure but aside from flood

[plush tendon]

its just Big Momma when you want Mud right?

I cant really think of another spot for it there

[lusty grotto]

you can use it in AK and in HOA, though HOA is whatever

and perhaps Dawn

[plush tendon]

or at least, I cant rationlize losing damage for it

[plush tendon]

Dawn I could see

[ashen kestrel]

i guess maybe an idol then, i have a hero track mud already too but i probably wont use idol if pacemaker is our BIS (at least someone here told me that a week ago)

[plush tendon]

prob the hardest tank dungeon this season

imo

dem fucking shadowblade guys are the worst

me and all the homies hate them

[lusty grotto]

it is kinda decent for So'azmi too

[plush tendon]

just not needed though

[lusty grotto]

but.. that's just one encounter which is eh

losing value for the rest of the dungeon seems not worth

[ashen kestrel]

yeah depleted a 14 and a 15 there earlier because healer went down twice both times - was able to live until they got back and they butt pulled 2 mobs and got one shot

[plush tendon]

ooo, mud could be useful on 1st boss in Streets

if you pull in those peacekeepers with him

and thats only if you do that

those guys hurt

[ashen kestrel]

mud mightve saved me on the second death waiting for em to fly down

[lusty grotto]

yes but there's not a lot of CDR there

[lament osprey]

I though you just use antenna and be chilling

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its worth at all for streets

cdr is the main thing

[undone beacon]

Antenna stinky

[lusty grotto]

no dots = no cdr

[plush tendon]

tru tru

I havnt played mud once this season tbh

I dont think its necessary one bit

[undone beacon]

I played it in one dungeon as bear because my other trinkets were turbo dog

and bear likes vers anyways

[ashen kestrel]

I wore it once in priory today just because it was a 12 pug group and I went left - has anyone got a decent route for right side? Ive been healing all season apart from week 1

[round pendant]

https://threechest.io?id=80qbtmene2k

[ashen kestrel]

ty

[plush tendon]

ive been doing this

• everything after first boss

[nocturne spindle]

wait a minute this man stole my route

but yea thats good

[plush tendon]

i dont like your pull 4

too many casters

kind of cringe

[plush tendon]

great minds think alike

[unreal yarrow]

Do you tank pull 2 downstairs?

Or rather how do you avoid the pat?

[coarse bay]

You run up and grab the footmen and go down to the caster pack by stairs

[unreal yarrow]

Ty

[coarse bay]

I usually tank that like right in front of the stairs

Ive seen a variation where instead of the pack below, you pull the pat with the footmen and fight them all and miniboss just down on the stairs

But that route is fairly standard rn

[round pendant]

so do it with the knight pat instead

[plush tendon]

yea, I pull the soliders from upstairs down

[nocturne spindle]

honestly its not the caster pack thats a problem

the 3 lynx double shooter pack

is just a roll of the dice if someone gets stacked

[plush tendon]

yea, I prefer doing that

1 cast>3 cast

theres also a lynx in that pack

[round pendant]

what I do depends on where the pat is

never had an issue with 3 casters there

[plush tendon]

its fine to wait

[ashen kestrel]

i love it when people let me reflect, its quite rare in pugs (prio 13 last boss)

i didnt even have to say anything either they were just locked in

[mellow yoke]

Good feeling

next group you go every cast except the ones not targeting you are kicked

[frosty mango]

Just tell your groups not to kick

That boss or third halls boss

It only casts on you and it does zero damage

[jagged gust]

Hahaha

[ashen kestrel]

is there ever a key level youd get to and think - i need this kicked if I dont have reflect up?

[frosty mango]

HoA on the third boss I’d say if you are pulling trash into the boss, you don’t have reflect, and you have 15+ debuff stacks from the trash - you will prob need a kick

But you can alternate kick/reflect

So it’s never an issue

Outside of that no

[ashen kestrel]

yeah in HOA ive been alternating, on priory i just dont kick at all and like you said, does nothing

[frosty mango]

I have definitely been clapped in a 16 or 17 halls because of the trash debuff

But I don’t think the priory one does enough to matter

[ashen kestrel]

agreed, doesnt it mess with her spell queuing or something too when you kick? because of the other spells being holy

i remember last season them saying dont kick even without a prot warrior

in high keys

[frosty mango]

No not exactly it just compresses her cast windows so you end up getting and overlap of the aoe and the explosion which is ass

[feral prairie]

hello, is there somewhere i can see the normal route for prioroy?

[frosty mango]

Threechest.io has a bunch

The raider.io weekly routes are also fine up to like 14-15

[ashen kestrel]

just wanna say, I used a slight variation of this doubling up the pat with the 3 pack and it was real good - felt effortless compared to going left

is this sketchy? I actually healed this on a +14, and stole it from that tank, but then got told off when I ran it myself (in a 10)

specifically pull 2 is what triggered somebody

[undone beacon]

Thats fine lol

Just a lot of kicks

I wouldnt bitch about it in a 10 of all places

[ashen kestrel]

yeah that was what he said, 'if youre gonna pull that tank you better kick'

i had 4 kicks, he had 0

[undone beacon]

you just stole all his kicks, jerk

[ashen kestrel]

i thought i was crazy because i had seen it done of 14 with literally no issues at all

[ashen kestrel]

its possible, i did shout the first 2 casts on the gather

probably shouldve lets those go off since they were prolly on me

they can los the first dot too afaik, just need to let them know before hand

[lament osprey]

Combine 2 and 4

With lust

Aoe stuns into kick rotations

[nocturne spindle]

well

your kinda doing it wrong

the whole reason you do pull 2 (which is sketchy and hard to do)

is so EVERYTHING else goes intoboss

if your not doing that i wouldnt bother with pull 2

[lament osprey]

3 onto boss

[undone beacon]

Anyways, bear am i right

[nocturne spindle]

if you do pull 2 you do this

if your doing pull 2and not doing this break it up more

[ashen kestrel]

these will defo be adjusted, I just came back to prot warrior this week after playing healer, so the key levels im at dont warrant that third pull yet

so maybe ill swap out the miniboss for the 2 pack until I get to the key level where this strat starts getting more viable

for reference I did my first 14 today on the prot boy

[nocturne spindle]

this is my like, standard pull

[undone beacon]

this is what I end up doing yeah

[ashen kestrel]

yeah thats defo a safer play until the timer gets tight enough to change it up

thanks folks

[nocturne spindle]

the standard pull is what i did on my 18

and we timed it with 10% left

so thats fine all the way up to 19

[ashen kestrel]

beautiful

[nocturne spindle]

20 you probably do the sketchy way

[fleet owl]

Hello 🙂 This week a got a Cursed Stone Idol from my vault, and, since I still had a shitty trinket in on of my slots, I took it. What's the best timing to use it in the opening sequence in raid?

[undone beacon]

Is idol your only option? Its not very good in raid

[fleet owl]

atm yes

[undone beacon]

Damn. If you're taking boss first I'd send it once you have SB rolling, if you're not taking boss on pull then just send it asap. Either way before Avatar

But def be on the lookout for tome, brand, even arcanocore is p dece

Idol crushes in M+ tho

[nocturne spindle]

uhhh

[fleet owl]

I already got tome luckily

[nocturne spindle]

might get giga slapped if you send it while tanking raid

depends on what level of raid iguess

[fleet owl]

mythic

but we're still on early bosses

[undone beacon]

Shield wall before popping it if you're active tank I guess

You cant block/parry/dodge during the channel

[nocturne spindle]

time it between autos lol

[timid valley]

guys how do i know the best talent for pushing each dungeon ?

[undone beacon]

Prot doesnt really have much of value to change between dungeons outside of turbo-minmaxing

[nocturne spindle]

we have negative utility

so its all the same

[undone beacon]

Wrecking throw for eco-dome 🧠

[nocturne spindle]

just bring a hunter to take off the shield

smh

[undone beacon]

but then i have to bring a hunter :(

[nocturne spindle]

bro

hunter go brrr this season

stop complaining

[undone beacon]

oh i know that

but they're all playing the wrong spec

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/900159715055652864/1167508531788906526/peepoSurvival2.gif

I see one of THOSE in queue, instant invite

[lofty warren]

Where is myrhic plus solo q and flex mythic size raiding in patch notes? Those are the needed ones

[undone beacon]

Oh my sweet summer pepega

[grizzled nova]

Poor people queuing off meta specs in soloq getting flamed relentlessly for every small mistake

[plush tendon]

oooo, do we need to make a meta pug dps tier list

[restive oak]

pug mages at bottom

[plush tendon]

this is it so far

not in any order

I actually think pug Fury Warriors are OPOP

[lofty warren]

12.0 alpha tank tier list just dropped!

I see not much has changed. Bear still aucks lol

[hybrid gust]

for M+, should i use 714 cursed stone idol or 704 antenna

[mellow bridge]

cursed stone idol is pretty yuge if you can use it well

[ashen kestrel]

would a stone idol be better to farm than a tome?

this is assuming myth pacemaker in the other slot, no brand acquired

[strong forum]

For m+ yes

[ashen kestrel]

awesome, thank you

[nocturne spindle]

i hope this is pepega pepegaing and not someone actually making tierlists

lmao

[lean furnace]

I’ve never had a fury do anything in my keys other than brick them so this is quite surprising to see someone with the opposite experience

Will agree arcane mages are just so shitty no matter their io it seems

[lofty warren]

https://x.com/Archimtiros/status/1973867258272493600?s=19 Lmaoooo

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros)

Warriors are getting a mass grip in Midnight!

Champion's Spear now pulls enemies in, then tethers them the first time they try to escape the effect. The pull is very buggy at the moment, but this is a huge win for long-running Mythic+ utility concerns.

X · Oct 2, 2025, 9:46 PM

[ashen kestrel]

ive found them to be unreliable at best in pugs - theyre awesome on paper but it just doesnt translate well

still would rather take arcane in its current form over BFA fire mage

im cOmBuStInG BRO

[undone verge]

Tf are we supposed to do in arakar first boss? Im trying to move boss cause the healer is standing on the wrong side of the boss and adds are patting toward us, the rest of the group is on the side of the boss so the adds are gonna get eaten anyway, boss eats all the adds, kills us. Two dps tell me I need to tank the boss next to the eggs, I say im moving the boss cause adds are patting toward us, then another dps says I didnt move the boss enough

[torn gulch]

dps fault

and healer fault in that case

they have no business being on the other side of the boss while fixated

[undone verge]

they told me my positioning is bad , I tanked it fairly close to the eggs all the dps had to do was walk forward 5 feet and let the adds hit them 3 feet outside of melee range

[round pendant]

nah your group griefed

go again

[torn gulch]

from what you ve said it looks to me that the positioning of their neurons in their head is bad

they have to be between the boss and the eggs

[round pendant]

it's so simple I don't get how people screw it up

[torn gulch]

you keep them close to the eggs and move properly as a team during gossamer

[torn gulch]

i've been griefed like this as well multiple times

because they cannot understand thay they lead the adds into boss

[undone verge]

Like this was the positioning basically

[torn gulch]

yea classic

[undone verge]

there was more shit on the eggs which is why I couldnt get closer, but thats pretty much it

[torn gulch]

seen this before

that is because people don't move properly during gossamer

[undone verge]

Im trying to kite boss back, but the dps are following the boss as I pull it back, then complain that I didnt move it enough

[torn gulch]

2 things are important on this boss
dps and healer movement in relation with the eggs and boss
group movement durring gossamer

one of these 2 go wrong in a high enough key and it's a wipe

[undone verge]

Anyway they said its a resil key so they wanted to run it again and kicked me, so good luck to them on that

[torn gulch]

they griefed you take the loss and go next

[undone verge]

I’ve been trying to get this Arakara timed for like 3 tries now and it just keeps failing on first boss. Every single time I have to try and kite boss away because the dps or healer lets them get too close

[torn gulch]

the thing is if they stayed on the right side you will not have to move the boss at all until gossamer

adds cannot crit anymore and do not hurt that much

plus they can use cc to keep them at bay as well in order not to get meleed

[urban portal]

adds havent been able to crit for about a decade

[rigid yew]

Be proactive and make a macro to type out "hard focus adds please" before you pull the boss
I've been tanking it fairly close to the eggs and throwing my stun hammer at them. Sometimes you can even shockwave them. If the group all goes to them they die in like 20sec?

[undone verge]

Look at this beautiful screenshot I took 3 seconds after the adds spawned

I then pull the adds away so the hunter and healer are on the other side of the boss, and the hunter moves again to be on the wrong side

[rigid yew]

Dps only know zug zug

You should probably know boss mechanics before you attempt a key tho

[lime spruce]

damn what is going on with the alpha lol servers are just never up

[undone verge]

its so annoying cause its such an easy mechanic

[warm widget]

What is the haste cap again ?

[lime spruce]

Yeah man AK is misery, there's like 5 spicy points where shit can go wrong in pugland where most dungeons only really have 1-2 points

the first boss is probably the least / least consistently understood of all the dungeon bosses this season

Which...I kind of get, intuitively it feels like for a boss to munch something that the spiders should tether and be drawn into the boss, but flavorfully that doesn't make as much sense as the spiders going to players, its just kind of awkward all around

[lusty grotto]

did you not play s1

no thanks, ill take s3 version instead, fuck intuition

[ashen kestrel]

i had a dps fail this in week 1 of the season, blame the rest of the group and tell me to get cancer

some dps just dont understand the fixate on that fight

[lament osprey]

To fish for rings in vault open as prot still?

[grizzled nova]

I just don't understand what's not to understand, the focus icon has been the same for like a decade

[lusty grotto]

doesnt really matter

on the fishing for rings thing

either loot spec is fine

[grizzled nova]

If you kite its hitbox into the boss' hitbox it will get eaten, and then probably eat everyone else's too, so just don't?

[sinful copper]

Yeah it chain eats them all lol

[grizzled nova]

Someone always does, though

You really can't win as a pug tank. If you tank it away someone gets mad that you arent cleaving, if you tank it near the adds someone always gets their add munched

And somehow it's always your fault

[lone badger]

I think I’ve read on here you want to aim between 22k-26k rating and ignore %

[grizzled nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/193647625780723713/1422758907969011722/image.png?ex=68e122bd&is=68dfd13d&hm=fabb4da410002ee03b33d9f7c4caee5899a795f74ec6876dbd6ebd5a86dbd389&

[coarse bay]

Diminishing returns is useless to look at

[sinful copper]

Doesn't rly matter tbh. I get auto invited as a tank to keys so if it bricks, I just go next

I just tank it close and don't move, even if someone is out of position

And I'll just spam ping whoever is out of position

[grizzled nova]

If someone is giga out of position like guaranteed fail out of position at least try to salvage it

[sinful copper]

Nah, then theyll never learn

[frosty mango]

We have robot man to tell us what to use

Thinking is for mages

[grizzled nova]

Robot says 40/20/20/20 split is ideal for dps

I think we have what 55k ish secondary at 720

Which means 22k haste, but 22k is low for itf and makes sb gaps

I think 26k haste then >literally any other configuration of secondaries here it doesn't matter and won't meaningfully change your dps unless you're a perfect player and you aren't< is ideal

[frosty mango]

That is so much thinking

Lock your sim to comfy haste, press go

Profit

[sinful copper]

22-24k haste seems fine

[round pendant]

yknow what's not fine

getting into groups on my rogue

400 rio above the groups I'm applying to

declined

[jagged gust]

Rogue is that class that always sticks out to me remembering bad times with them

[round pendant]

no one's had a bad time with me

[sinful copper]

Show proof

[frosty mango]

That’s exactly what a serial bad time provider (tm) would say

Or a prostitute

[sinful copper]

Or a clown that performs at kids parties

[heavy sparrow]

What spec rogue are you

[lusty grotto]

yes

the spec

[heavy sparrow]

I had a really good experience with an outlaw rogue

Kinda learned the other day that they're good to just always be in combat

[lusty grotto]

@round pendant

luxthos is getting rage baited by doomers

hes getting heated lol

[undone beacon]

I tanked a key for luxthos last week

I felt famous

[lusty grotto]

he said "its good for the game"

kinda similar to my stance

and then now hes getting picked on by the professional chat doomers

there was one dude yesterday on growl's stream that was 24/7 dooming about it against the growl and apparently the day before he was on dorki's doing the same thing lmao

thats not being "passionate", thats just being obsessive

[round pendant]

yeah it's me

I'm doing that

[round pendant]

sin

[lusty grotto]

nah dawg

i kind of appreciate the discussion in here a lot more seeing those things lol

luxthos alt+f4d apparently lol

[round pendant]

People are being a bit dramatic

[jagged gust]

Add-ons are without a doubt the biggest hurdle for getting started in this game, they did a banguo job with the rotation helper, and less recently the built in... Decursive? Was it? Casting feature

There's gonna be some issues but in pretty hopeful it'll make the entry barrier for gaming less restrictive

[round pendant]

I'm dooming but it's simply because I feel the game will be less fun for me if they don't walk back some things

and I want the game I enjoy to keep being as fun as it currently is, not less

[lusty grotto]

thats fine at least you contribute

ideas

i mean look at the post its kinda the same thing you suggested

[round pendant]

yea I saw it

I just hope they realise that that alone is 95% of what they needed to do to kill WA's solving mechanics

so they can add back in more of the fun stuff I like about WAs like tracking my own stuff and customisation, etc

[lusty grotto]

mythical also suggested something similar

[jagged gust]

Imagine playing fury slayer without something that goes ding

[lusty grotto]

i mean you dont need it cause jugg is gone

[round pendant]

slayer execute?

[lusty grotto]

on both arms and fury

and also MFE can be tracked and you can put a sound on it

[jagged gust]

I'm way more excited about the arms updates tbh but I may have forgotten that part

[lusty grotto]

rest in piss

[round pendant]

But I get the point with the dings

[lusty grotto]

its the execute conditions WA

which we basically all use if we play slayer

[round pendant]

yeah I use it

what I think about that though is like

If blizz are gonna implement mechanics that require some complex tracking, they need to also implement a UI element for that thing

[lusty grotto]

right

[round pendant]

but all you get is your bars + glows and your resource

[lusty grotto]

thats why they are removing them completely

[round pendant]

I guess there's some HUD things

[lusty grotto]

but also managing jugg stacks wasnt fun

it was in legion maybe

[round pendant]

So if the base UI had tracking functionality that enabled more complex interactions baseline

[lusty grotto]

but not in DF/TWW

[round pendant]

the requirement of WA would be less

[round pendant]

yeah I hate jugg lmao

[ashen kestrel]

anyone ran into the password bug on streets yet? just hit it for the first time there now - so tiliting when the dungeon has been going well

[sinful copper]

Swap to sub and double your invites easy

[round pendant]

Then I'd have to learn sub

[sinful copper]

[sinful copper]

Never and I've done streets like 100x

[ashen kestrel]

nice

probably run number 30 or so for me first time ive seen it

apparently it was 'fixed' a while back and then it rared its head again - must be a super low chance of happening

[warm plinth]

what password bug

[ashen kestrel]

basically you do the RP, they give you the password and its just not one of the options to select

nothing you can do to fix it in the key, at least that anyone has found

so its just bricked you cant get in to the boss

theres a few forum posts about it

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/keystone-tazavesh-streets-of-wonder-no-password-at-door/2169786

apparently was a thing back in SL too

[warm plinth]

Interesting. First time I'm hearing about it and I played SL too

so the dialogue is just not updating then

[lusty grotto]

i def had it happen in SL S4

but not this time

[warm plinth]

because prior to completing the event, the correct password isn't in the list (or even options resembling the correct password options)

[lusty grotto]

the dumb shit in the air this season, def had it happen once

oh yeah

[warm plinth]

I've had a bunch of bugs in streets, just not that one. Not surprising

[ashen kestrel]

yeah, ive heard a few theories like it can happen if someone has the dialogue open before the password is announced, or if its open in combat

but who knows

[lusty grotto]

didnt you ask this yesterday

[lean furnace]

yea and I can't figure what the hell the ring is lmao

[lusty grotto]

earthen craftsmanship

ring of, amulet of

everforged for the other slots

[lean furnace]

beautiful ty

[jolly tapir]

At what point gear / set wise, should I switch from colossus to thane, I'm doing mythic+ exclusively, i was told to start colossus while i gear. i currently sit at 698 with 2 set pices

[frosty mango]

When you have 4pc

[jolly tapir]

thank you

[frosty mango]

its a christmas miracle

[solid sun]

Big gratis

[lusty grotto]

gzz

[sinful copper]

Time for 6m DPS?

[lusty grotto]

one day...

[sinful copper]

Lol imagine not having?

[lusty grotto]

why must you hurt me so

[nocturne spindle]

Hero or myth though

[lusty grotto]

i dont think roid does hunters on myth on his warrior but i could be wrong

[past laurel]

do i need more crit?

for 14-17s keys

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[past laurel]

thats no buffs on %'s

[lusty grotto]

you dont need a specific stat for keys

except for haste

[past laurel]

hast is around 24-25k

[lusty grotto]

and then whatever the clanker tells you to gear

[undone beacon]

Not enough speed

Fix that now

[mental scarab]

Is the caster extra boss in prio the one that do least dmg when you take her with the boss

[sinful copper]

yeah it's less damage.... if your team kicks

[mental scarab]

Yea that’s a probl

Mostly pug now last key that’s not 14 for me

[lilac stirrup]

Seen the macro using shieldslam & ignore pain in the same button, I'm using it on ignore pain button - but noticed that majority of my violent outbursts going into shield slam instead of thunderblasts on AoE 🤔 Is it the play or just use them as two seperate buttons?

[lime urchin]

Do you think this is because of the IP macro or general not pressing Thunderblast enough?

[jagged pier]

outside of buffed TB on 2 or more targets it really doesnt matter if u send it on SS

TB without the buff doesnt really do much and u miss the rage gen from SS with translates to more damage and hits really hard

[lilac stirrup]

idk, just spamming IP and SS claims the proc most of the time, aoe and st. It feels good on ST, but on AoE pulls it is almost always slamming down SS onto AoE. Feels like 80%+ of violent outburst procs get yoinked by SS whilst the rest are procced from revenge or shield block where I can somewhat control it. Not too sure if it's better to slam dunk the IP/SS macro where my SS is increase of where IP located

[shrewd grove]

Never, ever put that macro on you SS bind. You will rage starve yourself so fast.

Just watch your VO tracker and plan your casts 2 goals out. Easy enough to do

[narrow jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zt2rp7Yb6TwFABgy?fight=27&type=damage-done

0% wipe on Mythic frac 😢

Missing 6 of our main raiders too it dies easy next week lol

[winged zenith]

Which spec are we playing for push keys

[mellow bridge]

mountain thane

[lilac stirrup]

idk feels weird because my finger starts to hurt and the IP disappears in 0.5 secs in keys So trying to figure out what's the most somewhat efficient whilst still doing alright-ish damage

[shrewd grove]

IP isnt an important source of mitigation for you to track. You press it when your next spender would overcap you on rage. Thats the only time

[dry skiff]

i keep seeing the news that weakaura will be gone in midnight, what will replace it ?

at least my class weakaura

[jagged pier]

what do u mean class weakaura?

if u mean cds

then the blizz cd tracker

[warm plinth]

I went to look at it last night and was super confused because you have to enable it in two different places for it to be enabled for some stupid reason

[hoary oriole]

boys and girls i got smashed hard in a 12 streets by the bazaar packs. is there some mechanic i'm missing?

[cerulean tusk]

The more henchmen, the harder they hit. The big lad debuffs you and there are some other bells and whistles

basically, on spawn - pop CDs, as you gonna get slapped around

once things start to die, danger has passed

[hoary oriole]

i didn't have a charge of shield wall and i think i'll have to make sure i save one for that pack

the 1 overseer/2 strongarm/5 lackey pack is one full pull though right?

[ashen kestrel]

That area can hurt, I almost fell in a 14 last night on the last pull - my group rushed it a bit and we still had the first overseer up when the last one spawned in

But ideally you want shield wall up for when those overseers are up - everything else in that area should be easy pickings

Go and grab the first overseer when starting the RP and try to get it down before tanking the last pack if the RP - 2 of them is bad news

[hoary oriole]

ty appreciate you

[barren cedar]

Do you actually sim Tank Specs such as BDK and Prot Warr?

[undone beacon]

Yes

[barren cedar]

Isnt reality a bit more nuanced than just looking for the best damage?

[warm plinth]

Not really

Tanks survive by gameplay, not stats

So stat-wise you just go for the most damage

There are some exceptions, like for us, you need 21k haste or more to be able to run a talent that gives more damage, but sims won't account for that.

They'll just tell you to the run the talent, and probably tell you to go for non-haste stats before that point

[barren cedar]

Okay but that is a particular case, so in general you actually just go for max dmg?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[barren cedar]

That explains why in guides ilvl goes above all stats and the stats are equal too

[warm plinth]

Correct. We have "better" stats, but generally more is better than specific ones.

[sharp merlin]

Which talent is this?

[cedar egret]

into the fray

[sharp merlin]

Ah

Thought so

[dry skiff]

it can track buffs too ? if so i wouldnt have an issue

[round pendant]

buffs yeah

not debuffs yet tho

[mellow bridge]

it's actually mostly the strongarms

they deal extra magic damage with each hit

this is my whole dtps in an 18 streets in the bazaar with pulling several peacekeeprs extra from the middle

just the extra magic dmg from the strongarms was 25% of the dmg i took and that's with rotating defensives

need to rotate your stuff when they're up, especially in the last pack

SR works very well there, fully reflects one hit and then you get to enjoy 25% dr

[solid sun]

I have a question about simming and ITF

Can you do a help

[round pendant]

just ask the question

[warm plinth]

I can do a help

[round pendant]

oh I have a question too actually

I saw nim mentioning setting minimum haste for gear on raidbots

how the frick do I do that

[warm plinth]

idk, sounds like something you'd have to put either in your simc input or in the expert sim mode

that's above my paygrade

[solid sun]

So if I’m rocking ITF and a sim wants me to change out gear that would make me swap to HR, what’s the easiest way to handle that

Just do a sim with that gear and hr and a second sim with the other set and itf?

[warm plinth]

If a sim makes you drop enough haste that you need to swap to HR, it's not an upgrade.

There's not a piece of gear that would give enough bonus through stats that it would be worth the loss of ItF, not even close

[solid sun]

:(

Is there an option I haven’t seen where you can set a stat and lock it in place?

Like “I don’t want to drop below 25k haste”

[warm plinth]

Apparently it's something you can do; that's what yam is talking about. But it's not a built-in option that I'm aware of so it has to be an expert sim or some adjustment to your simc input.

[solid sun]

Yam did you figure it out

[dry skiff]

a while ago i asked you about my death at Big momma. everyone checked log and not a single person told me i was using a leather waist xD

[warm plinth]

Gear isn't something that would ever contribute to whether you died to something. I never look at someone's gear when doing a log review

[round pendant]

no

[pallid quiver]

I was reliant on weakauras for Stormbringer Shaman because it literally didn't track progress on tempest at all in the base UI

I actually think it still doesn't

[round pendant]

exactly lol

[dry skiff]

thanks god i was afk at priory's entrance and someone made fun of me. i would never have noticed

with that + 5% primary i lost due to no plate gear, i am doing 400k more damge in dungeons aprx

maybe more i dont know, groups damage was kinda low

[pseudo wasp]

whats the best trinket combo for prot right now? Currently have ire and tome on but I have seaforium and antenna as options

[narrow jay]

Antenna and Ire for keys. Then I usually swap out ire for tome for raid bosses.

[pseudo wasp]

perfect, thank you

these stats alright for pushing 3k+ pretty easily?

[mellow yoke]

what's haste as stat value

[pseudo wasp]

attack speed

[mellow yoke]

no i mean

as a number

not as %

[pseudo wasp]

940

[mellow yoke]

what

hover over it

what does it say

[pseudo wasp]

20,740

[mellow yoke]

if u run HR you should be fine

[pseudo wasp]

HR?

[mellow yoke]

Heavy reprecussions

instead of Into the fray

[pseudo wasp]

gotcha

thank you for info

what should my haste be at?

to run into the fray @mellow yoke

42%ish?

[frosty mango]

21-25k

Wherever you feel comfortable keeping shield block up

I would not run heavy repercussions at 20740, I’d just move some stuff around to get like 1000 more haste

[pseudo wasp]

because having the 8% constantly in a dungeon would be more beneficial then yeah?

@frosty mango

shield block always caps out at 8% right, it cant go over that even with heavy repercussions?

sorry if i'm asking too many questions 😬

[frosty mango]

You’re close enough that it’s probably feasible to move enchants etc around to get a little more haste

[pseudo wasp]

8 seconds I mean

[frosty mango]

Which at that point in the fray would be a sizable dps bump

Shield block can go up to 3x duration

[pseudo wasp]

would sacrificing vers for haste enchants be bad?

[frosty mango]

No not if it enables you to run in the fray

Are you enchanted vers at 20k haste?

You shouldn’t be

[pseudo wasp]

yeah was just judging it off multiple other warriors stats

most seem to be around 20% vers

or higher

im only at 16.85

[frosty mango]

Not relevant whatsoever

Stats are specific to your unique gearing scenario

[pseudo wasp]

thats what I was looking for okay perfect

and I want my crit at 30%?

[frosty mango]

There is no value you aim for

Get your haste to 22-25k (wherever you see shield block is staying up) and then sim your char with haste locked there

And equip whatever provides the most dps

All substats are good substats

[pseudo wasp]

okay, thank you so much for the help

[frosty mango]

If you post on help and log review with a log and a sim string someone can provide a lot more detailed info

#1347646810457636974

[pseudo wasp]

im also running a combo of deadly emerald and quick rubys maybe just all deadly emeralds for now

?

id be over 22k then

[frosty mango]

Are you using a haste flask

Or is that number with a haste flask

[pseudo wasp]

I just run alchemical chaos, maybe just use haste flask?

[frosty mango]

Tbh I would just throw on a haste flask, play into the fray, and not futz with gear

Then revisit as you continue to gear

That would be my approach, but depending on what gear you have in bags it may not be strictly speaking optimal

I do recommend you run the sims

[pseudo wasp]

for most damage output?

[frosty mango]

Damage = defense

[pseudo wasp]

got it

[frosty mango]

Every stat provides defensive value as well

[pseudo wasp]

with flask im at 24,195

ill need to learn how to sim prot because its telling me to run tome and seaforium for trinkets 😆

[sinful copper]

Tome is good for st

[warm plinth]

Hate to tell you this, but you don't gain 5% strength from wearing all plate. Tanks gain stamina from that effect.

[sinful copper]

But he gained 400k DPS

[warm plinth]

Placebo effect kinda crazy huh

[frosty mango]

I mean depending on which trinkets you have available

Those very well may be the best

Both are those are very good for prot

[fair linden]

can anyone help me figure out why i got a 0% healing parse for this key and how i can improve?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FC2HWkGa8xynNm6j?fight=last

[warm plinth]

Step 1. Stop caring about healing parses.

[round pendant]

why do you care about that?

[warm plinth]

like, why do peopl even look at healing. You're a tank

[fair linden]

so i can get better at survivability

dont actually care about the parse aspect

[round pendant]

You didn't die

[warm plinth]

We don't heal to survive. We avoid the damage in the first place.

[cerulean tusk]

Hold up

You screenshot that passive right now

My life

is a lie

[warm plinth]

Oh no, not you too Funky

[jagged pier]

taking this talent will increase surivibility

[warm plinth]

😭

[jagged pier]

if u care about that

[warm plinth]

Nah, it's the healing Jakey

[jagged pier]

want a better healing parse

press these more than twice

[fair linden]

huge

[jagged pier]

want a better healing parse, dont press revnege

and dont waste 5% of your rage

[round pendant]

Healing parse doesn't mean anything though

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/hinamatsuri-cry-anime-one-tear-gif-23409004

[jagged pier]

which is why we go back to my first message

if u care about surivibility

[fair linden]

more worried im not doing something rotational correct. not the parse itself

[jagged pier]

utake shield spec

[round pendant]

casts seem fine, coulda executed more prob

but yeah please take shield spec

you procced BSV once in the entire dungeon, literally basically useless

[jagged pier]

i mean Bloodbounre is useless

[warm plinth]

By all means, use BSV if you want to, but dropping shield spec for it is asinine.

[jagged pier]

hes taking no execute talents

[warm plinth]

and is completely contradictory

[jagged pier]

so hes choose bloodbourne over shield spec

which is like 1% damage

to take 16% mroe damage against blockable attack

[round pendant]

bloodbourne is more useful than BSV if you never proc bsv at least

but yea

[jagged pier]

he proc'd it once

thats more useful than bloodbourne

[cerulean tusk]

Not if you going for healing logs, ya fool

[round pendant]

I can't even figure out how he procced it

his health didn't drop to 30%

[warm plinth]

because it doesn't care if you actually drop to 30%

[cerulean tusk]

BSV procs when it wants to proc

[warm plinth]

never has

[cerulean tusk]

its like Purgatory for BDK, once in a while, it just procs while you at 100% health, for funsies

[round pendant]

lmao that's so sick

IP absorbs it all, get BSV anyway

[warm plinth]

ezpz

[round pendant]

what a stupid ass talent

[cerulean tusk]

Its a very good talent, that we never complained about, nor send bug reports or suggestions about

[warm plinth]

Not even once

[round pendant]

I love how like

You rarely end up in enough danger to proc it

so it just procs for no reason

[cerulean tusk]

Just be glad that we aint BDK, so it doesnt kill you at least, it just procs

[jagged pier]

cause the DR gets applied to the hit that would ahve taking u below 30%

[round pendant]

yeah I get it now

He did eat that obsidian beam raw tho

[jagged pier]

[warm plinth]

Purgatory doesn't kill you. It's still saving you when it does that, because if it wasn't talented, you would've just died.

It prevents the damage that killed you and makes it a healing absorb instead

[cerulean tusk]

If Purgatory procs with the "overkilled" condition, you just die

and yep, it does that

Havent seen it this season tho, when I think about it

Maybe it fixed

one can hope

[frosty mango]

“Why would I take a defensive talent if I don’t have trouble living”

70% sb uptime
No shield wall usages
Overstressed healers

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-yes-giggle-gif-13898844

[round pendant]

oh jesus

I just noticed he pressed shield wall 10 times

[frosty mango]

Ask me how I knew

ask me

[jagged pier]

i mean your wrong on the shield block

[cerulean tusk]

Why are you bashing on a poor noblet doing their first few m+ keys?

ya lads rude

[jagged pier]

but yes that is common

[round pendant]

I'm not bashing

[jagged pier]

everytime

[round pendant]

I'm just surprised

[frosty mango]

I was memeing

[cerulean tusk]

Smh, rude ppl on skyhold

hope ya all get time out'd

[frosty mango]

About people who argue shield spec is not needed

[warm plinth]

Yeah Roid was just memeing on the common statement, not that guy haha

[jagged pier]

well its not a meme, its very common, i used to and still do give feedback without looking at logs

[undone beacon]

Yeah I hate this place buncha jerks

[jagged pier]

cause its the same every time

[cerulean tusk]

I dislike that I know ya right

[round pendant]

I never expect people in 15s to do something like not press SW tho

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, have you done a 14?

[round pendant]

yes

[jagged pier]

news flash, the top ppl do it too

[cerulean tusk]

Ya can wipe five times over, and still ++

[round pendant]

HOW

[jagged pier]

everyone does it

[round pendant]

I feel like I'd fucking die if I didn't press it

wtf

[frosty mango]

My meme was basically every time someone takes a hard line and says “why do I need it if I’m not dying” and you go look at their logs and every time they’re like not using wall and not keeping up block and just become completely carried by the healer

[cerulean tusk]

Healers gotta heal, that is their job

and their free GCD DPS is not worth it

[jagged pier]

based take cat

[cerulean tusk]

So better just let tank DPS good

[frosty mango]

Also rage baiting Jakey with no shield spec is almost a warrior past time now

[jagged pier]

nah thats not rage baiting

they dont know any better and just copying

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, it is true and actually honestly the optimal way to play

[jagged pier]

filter down effect everytime

[cerulean tusk]

because Yoda does it

And he is top Pwarrior world

So, yeah.

Git gud

[round pendant]

is yoda just carried by his gigachad healer

his UI is absolutely fried

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, it is not "carried", it is teamwork

[frosty mango]

When it comes to staying alive tbh yes

From a team perspective

[warm plinth]

Yoda isn't the top pwar; does he even play pwar lol

[frosty mango]

100% his healer is doing work

[cerulean tusk]

Ya guys just jelly that you dont have the trust and comfort of theirs

[round pendant]

I guess that's fair in a premade though

"I'm gonna be squishier to do more dam"

[jagged pier]

in those keys his healer would be doing work ither way

[round pendant]

and healer is like "finally I get to play the game"

but in pugs you're like a terrorist

[cerulean tusk]

See, if healer already is healing, why does it matter if he gotta heal a tad more?

It really doesnt

would be overhealing either way

Better take the 2% haste, for faster kills

[jagged pier]

top 2 warriors are chiense warriors now

[round pendant]

Kitty's rage baiting

[cerulean tusk]

I never do that

[frosty mango]

Are they running shield spec tho

[cerulean tusk]

Lier

[warm plinth]

In the top 10 pwar, 8 are chinese, 1 is kira, and 1 is Naowh

[round pendant]

wrong

#1 is me

[jagged pier]

no they are running the exact build that guy was above

filter down baby

filter down

the choice of BB over shield spec makes 0 sense at all

[warm plinth]

It's like trickle down economics and it's just as stupid

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, you just dont get it

[round pendant]

no because this actually happens

[jagged pier]

like its so close to nomes push build at thispoint

[cerulean tusk]

Bloodborne is key for optimal DPS and CD managment

[warm plinth]

1 point away 😭

[frosty mango]

Like I feel like I could run without it but I’m already doing 5-6m dps in push build how much damage could I POSSIBLY gain

[cerulean tusk]

About 2%

[frosty mango]

Not enough to be worth imo

[jagged pier]

less

[frosty mango]

Not at my level

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, 2.5%

[jagged pier]

it was 1% when im simmed

and that was in aoe

[cerulean tusk]

Sims arent practial gameplay

[jagged pier]

would be less in ST

[cerulean tusk]

this is why they know better than you

they actually play the game

not simgame

[jagged pier]

fucking baiter

honestly man

[south wing]

quick question. how big of a deal are the soul hunter boots? should i wear 704 version of those or craft boots

[round pendant]

no

craft boots

[frosty mango]

World of simulationcraft

[jagged pier]

no

[cerulean tusk]

Not at all, just buy the Mythic track ones from the AH, 150k gold

Ya all guys living in sims, the matrix

Real players play in the world of warcraft

[frosty mango]

Yogi is that you

[cerulean tusk]

Do I face my back to the enemy?

[round pendant]

I feel like I haven't seen yogi in a bit

[cerulean tusk]

Just mention Doom, and he usually shows

[round pendant]

doom is mid

[warm plinth]

They made the change he quit WoW over so he should come back now

[jagged pier]

hes quit wow like 50 times since SLs

[cerulean tusk]

Wasnt there a period where he quite like 2-3 times in a month?
Was during some doom drama and I think it was when Doom became a PNG

PNG?

PDF

[jagged pier]

yer he does that from time to time

[cerulean tusk]

Also sad that Nim isnt online, angry Rat in a hat is always fun

[warm plinth]

Come back to us yogi, they've done it

[jagged pier]

we dont need 2 master baiters in chat at a time

[warm plinth]

You don't have to be afraid anymore

[cerulean tusk]

I am gonna miss looking up ppls "help me, m+", and spot slams

[jagged pier]

u might still see WW tho

[cerulean tusk]

"they told me to slam"

made me smile

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we WW still there

[jagged pier]

who told em

[warm plinth]

Maybe that's why he's still gone

[cerulean tusk]

Usually their friend, and some monk that used to be in here

The guy who was staple "you either #1 or last"

[warm plinth]

Little did they know, he was actually on the last side

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[cerulean tusk]

I might have caused some stray fire unto nooblets with my #1 DPS breakdowns tho

[warm plinth]

You're ruining our lives

[jagged pier]

you need to bring back the 2hander keys

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

So on ptr I tried this lol