protection

[spice iron]

I'm pretty sure I hover around 60 all the time, but I'd have to do a log review to be absolutely sure. I definitely slammed back a lot more Ignore Pain than normal

[dry skiff]

guys please i need to know if i should chose a shield and craft belt, or chose a belt with socket and leech

i thing for sure my embelish slots will get fcked if i chose belt

[jagged pier]

why would u not take shield and craft belt

thats 2 pieces that wont get replaced

where if u take belt

u will still replace the belt and the shield

[dry skiff]

alright thank you 😛

just had a real golum moment when i saw leech on it

[lone hemlock]

PRECIOUS !

[dry skiff]

what if i drop a belt in raid -.-

still throw it away and craft with embelish ?

[jagged pier]

u still want a crafted one with emblishment

[hardy snow]

leech is cool, but not that cool to omit shield for it

[dry skiff]

well that makes things easy. just didnt expect i could drop shield without killing loomithar

[hardy snow]

if you kill boss, you unlock all previous bosses for vault, as per order in the journal

[dry skiff]

do you know if it's easier to do better damage if you tank the boss first vs 2nd.. for first boss in mythic ?

i mean i understand there will be different timings when boss makes you go away

[hardy snow]

first tankbuster is when you still have heroism remaining

[dry skiff]

fair enough

last week when i wasnt tanking the boss, i wouldnt use IP, i spent them on execute or revenge. now that i think about it. i might have been doing less damage because of it. right ?

[finite lily]

hi guys, im new to prot warrior, i know the answer is probably sim it.. BUT.. what to pick from my vault?

sorry for double screen image LOL

i have both wrist and belt hero track on the other slots.. but so leah trinket is decent right?

[hardy snow]

alt+prntscrn makes screenshot of the active window only 👍

[finite lily]

cool, thanks!

[bleak scaffold]

If you did revenge instead of SS tb yes. Because you’d have generated more rage and so spent more in IP. Leading to more avatar cd reduction

[finite lily]

any thoughts on this?

[fathom oasis]

Cant read a thing tbh

[rotund sigil]

Without simming I'd say belt, trinkets fine but nothing amazing, better off waiting for a better one or Dinars

Sim will probs show trinket as the higher dps increase but its probs weorse long term

[bleak scaffold]

Might even be a socket since brace/belt are mostly craft slots

[rotund sigil]

Eh, takes soooo long to fill everything out to Myth, not much point holding to belts/bracers as crafting can probs just craft a shield and odds are you won't get better for ages

Also guessing they have no myth ger to put the socket on 🙂

[oak ivy]

@finite lily also consider WIN+Shift+S

[paper stump]

If you are planning to craft a wrist, i would say go for belt

[finite lily]

trinket shouldnt be the option?

[paper stump]

Your bis will be brand / antenna or peacemaker, you gonna change it eventually and thats why i said belt or wrist if you dont gonna craft one

[finite lily]

alright i think i might just go for the wrists then

as my belt is 704, and has crit/haste

but this belt is crit/vers

so i will miss out on haste

[paper stump]

If you wont craft a wrist then this one is your bis soince it has crit/haste

[finite lily]

ÿeah, wrist it is, cool

[sacred flare]

Question for you all. Does having shield block up increase the damage of Shield slam. I mainly let shield block drop when not tanking the boss.

[finite lily]

its also ok to craft boots, right? i have hero track belt, but champion track boots

oh no wait, i need from raid

hopefully i can get it from pug, cause i dont raid..

[paper stump]

Boots varies, your ones from soul hunter is good but once you see a mythic track in vault, its gonna be better tho.

[lime mantle]

It does.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=23922/shield-slam
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=132404/shield-block

[sacred flare]

I am blind and cant read apparently.

[finite lily]

yeah best option is probably to just craft the weapon+shield+belt for now i guess

[lime mantle]

Reading is for nerds.

[sacred flare]

I was just like i dont need to block things if its not attacking so just pump revenge

[paper stump]

Not really, for example I got lucky in vault 2 weeks ago having flood belt crit/ haste with gem slot. After all, every week you can determine what you need unless you wanna go the fast track and craft stuff. For stats, once you reach haste around 21k - 27k, you gonna focus next on crit > versa > mastery…

[sacred flare]

And other question is shield charge broken in the logs Like says cast 0 times but have 3 hits in one log on loom and then in plex have it cast 1 but with 9 hits

[finite lily]

im around 22k haste now, its ok to get up to 27k? or should i start getting crit?

cause i have 14,5k crit rn

[paper stump]

After that I would suggest that you sim to see which one you meed to start with

[frosty mango]

25ish k haste is very comfy for shield block uptime, how much haste you get after 21-22k is typically about your comfort level with maintaining shield block uptime

Past that value just sim

What that typically looks like is crit until 20k or so and then vers

But it depends completely on your current gear set

[sharp merlin]

How come Crit isn't as important as last season?

Colossus, I remember Crit was super valuable

[frosty mango]

It still is, we just have more total stats

[mystic arch]

In our apl, we have dot.rend.remains<=1 and dot.rend.remains<=2 - Is this just saying if the duration of rend is less than or equal to that on our current target, or any target around us?

[frosty mango]

So the relative values of stats shift as we approach DR on more of them

[jagged pier]

cause we had a crit interaction with our tier set

[ionic fern]

I can't say for sure how multi-target debuff tracking is implemented on the simc backend,but I'd assume it's current target.

[noble wren]

Hi how is sim my tank? Dungeon slice fine?

[mystic arch]

Alright, thank you

[sharp merlin]

thanks, I remember now 😄

[ionic fern]

Prot does not have a fully optimized APL for dungeonslice. You can use it,but take it with a grain of salt since there is no CD holding etc for new packs.

[noble wren]

ok

[radiant axle]

Has anyone got much experience with the solo soak on Mythic Nexus King? My co-tank can't really live it, so I've been doing it. I have an external for each one, I'm dstance with wall and reflect up (35% reflect talent), 6m+ ignore pain, and I am still proccing cheat deaths. Is there something I have overlooked that can make it feel less scary aha. Or is this just the scary part of the raid I've failed upwards to?

[jagged pier]

its not a cheat death it procs at 30% HP

so the hit isnt nessicarily killing u

[radiant axle]

I'm proccing Cheat death trink and the cloak

and frustratingly the trinket procs if the cloak procs

[jagged pier]

the cloak also procs at 40% hp

do u mena talent?

[radiant axle]

No the Nucleus trink from Dimmy

sorry got the name wrong

[jagged pier]

just run BSV

and call it a day

[radiant axle]

I am! Pretty much in turtle talents lol

[jagged pier]

and of course the cloak will proc is procs at 40% hp

i mean looks like u can take it with demo SW an external and 1 extra person sending an immunitiy and soaking

and it does 0 damage

[radiant axle]

Neato

It's something I can at least take back to the officers and be like help lmao

[jagged pier]

have ppl with immunities soak

[finite lily]

ök im only 702, 23k haste and 14,5k crit, so i guess i need to get LOTS of crit and vers.. vers is 5,8k

[frosty mango]

You can just sim top gear

[finite lily]

that says i currently need to up my mastery

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oJjdMK4peWYoVfwiaik8kC

[frosty mango]

Don’t sim 5 target 5 min

Sim 5 target 1m30s and see what that ends up being

5/5 is not a realistic scenario because that doesn’t happen anywhere in the game

[finite lily]

alright i will try again

im debating if i want to craft shield+weapon now, or wait till next week and see if i get lucky in vault lol

[bleak scaffold]

jedi moves you want to craft shield+weapon

[sharp merlin]

You should join my pugs 😂

[finite lily]

what if im "lucky" and theres a weapon or shield in my vault next week lol

[bleak scaffold]

What if you don't ?

and so you craft next week, and get lucky in 2 ?

[finite lily]

thats right..

might just craft all my 3 items now lol.. weapon, shield, belt

that will bump my ilvl a lot

[radiant axle]

I mean we have 5 sparks

[plush tendon]

you should just send crafts at this point

we have 5 sparks

[finite lily]

its not so much about the sparks

[radiant axle]

Still costs 75 crests to get to 723

[plush tendon]

over 700 gilded crests

[radiant axle]

so its same crest cost

[finite lily]

more about the crests and gold

[plush tendon]

and in 2 weeks crests are uncapped

[finite lily]

i just made this warrior, so i only have 185 gilded atm

[plush tendon]

eh, to craft wep and shield is maybe a couple K

[finite lily]

or 160 even

[plush tendon]

will 120 for a shield and sword

[finite lily]

oh ok thought it would be much more

[plush tendon]

sounds like a bargan

[finite lily]

yeah and 60 for the belt

[plush tendon]

fuck it man, just make wep, sword, shield, bracers, and ring

[finite lily]

new sim is here:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mFA92azu7cjAiSmESM3gdC

crit mastery gems still it seems

[plush tendon]

run hard mode

[finite lily]

haha

[plush tendon]

and maybe sneak into first two mythic

[finite lily]

i cant tank raid

[bleak scaffold]

You can 🙂 getting a slot might be more difficult than the actual raid ^^

[finite lily]

fds

oh i got time out lol

anyway, im not good at tanking in raids

might not be able to tank it then hehe

idk maybe i can learn it

[bleak scaffold]

If you are able to tank M+ you are able to tank raid :x you need to learn the strat as any other boss, it's not really hard, stand here, move there, taunt

rotation and all is the same except to few details.

[finite lily]

true

what about embellishment, is it symbiosis?

or ascendance?

[bleak scaffold]

I don't have the names in mind, check the wowhead protwar 🙂

Usually brace/belt instead of weapon / shield

[finite lily]

weapon/shield is not normal craft u mean?

[bleak scaffold]

For embellish

weapon/shield are the first crafts you want to make as they are the best value

But embellish mainly brace/belt and symbiosis and ascendance are not available on those if I recall the names correctly

[plush tendon]

it really doesnt matter now

early season when we were spark+gilded starved

it was a choice

but if youre a new prot warrior, just start crafting gear

acquire tier, make weps, make embellished slots, decide if you want to send on a ring or neck

[bleak scaffold]

I said this because he is not raiding, so weapon/shield seems to still be the starting point. If you can myth raid directly of course you need to reconsider the options

[plush tendon]

for sure

wep and shield should be highest prio

then pick up champ/hero pieces to tier up

send remaining crafts and gildeds on myth pieces

or you can be like my bear

hes not actually 639.... he was 680

[finite lily]

Yeah I need to get into a heroic raid for the brand trinket…

[plush tendon]

yea, for sure try to clear 6/8 heroic

should be very chill

you got 3 weeks to get that drop, otherwise you can buy it

[stuck rock]

got some sick parses today on plexus mythic

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

[stuck rock]

feel free to dm for any gameplay tips

[solid sun]

We pulled H Dimmy for like two hours

Got out of p1 twice

[jagged pier]

[solid sun]

If I didn’t have some delicious gumbo I’d be in a pretty sad state

[bleak scaffold]

Knowing I shouldn't stay near the co tank i moved on him anyway on H Dimmy and got bump in the boss 😢

[bleak scaffold]

Mythic raid tank at 695 ilvl that's wild 🙂

[sharp merlin]

I'm comparing a 15 done with another 15, similar trinkets, he has a little more crit and mastery.

He gapped me by 1.2m. I had more Shield Slams, but less CPM on Shield Slams.. wtf, but I think I cast way less Thunderclaps, despite having around the same amount of Thunderblasts.

I have concluded I am probably hitting Revenge out of habit when I have Thunderclap available.

Could Thunderclaps, be the difference in dmg? I mean 1.2m is a LOT

[finite lily]

Oh yeah true..

[mystic arch]

I'm running into an issue where I am ilevel 705 so comparisons to top logs of the same key are just... doing more damage. Difficult to determine what is my own error versus just gear diff.

Possibly something like that happening with you @sharp merlin?

[plush tendon]

for M+ only, would you use 710 cantrip boots or 723 mythic boots?

[sharp merlin]

We're very similar gear too. Almost identical ilvl, but he's playing that weird build without Shield Spec, and more China weird build.

[jagged pier]

thers probably no difference

[mighty valley]

it's prob less the actual damage difference between revenge and tc and more that prioritizing revenge over tc is worse for overall rage gen

[jagged pier]

no ones gone into the numbers

[mighty valley]

but we'd have to see logs

[sharp merlin]

Interesting!

Me: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x9Frqnt6DpwTLbXa?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=4

Him: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TgDAcLkByhzqVFPb?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=67

[mystic arch]

I was playing that build and got laughed at :kekw

god damn it I still can't kekw here

[mighty valley]

yeah you have more total shield slams despite lower CPM just because your key was 6 mins longer haha

[plush tendon]

just trying to decide if I should just buy mythic boots

and call it a day

or keep trying for hero cantrip boots

[jagged pier]

i crafted boots

[plush tendon]

the earlist I could possibly get them would be November 11

[idle mesa]

If we usually put first 2 Mythic, does it make sense to craft waist if it drops from soulbinder? Also, wouldn’t it be smarter to save our crest till next week so we can upgrade our myth (helm, shoulder pants) that has main stats over necks/ring

[plush tendon]

unless when I do Soulhunters Mythic they drop

cause for dinar is on Brand

100%

[jagged pier]

are u pushing?

[sharp merlin]

ahahahah fuck me

[plush tendon]

yea, we pushing score

[jagged pier]

how high

[plush tendon]

working on 18s right now

will pick up once the bois finish their CEs

we losing nights to that nonsense

[jagged pier]

personally i dont think having them or not having them will make or break keys, but they might help slightly

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

yea, just curious

[cerulean tusk]

I would hold pushing till after TurboGear is in

[plush tendon]

naw

fuck holding

get reps in now

profit more later

[mystic arch]

Idk, it seems like all the top logs, even in like 12-13s, are not playing the weekly keys builds lol

[plush tendon]

Im so against just 'waiting till turbo'

[jagged pier]

pushing outside of turbo makes no sense anyway imo

but u do u

[cerulean tusk]

Difference between pushing and gaming

[plush tendon]

my mindset is that If I push 18s now

or 19s

then when I get turbo, Ill be used to the keys at lower I level

[mighty valley]

yeah you have 10 less total cpm than the other warrior and also a lot more wasted rage

[plush tendon]

and then Ill also have reps done already

so I would have seen the pain points

[cerulean tusk]

As long those are done in a team, ya for sure will gaing something

[plush tendon]

also, its less daunting

[cerulean tusk]

The mental is real

[plush tendon]

yea, I have a squad

[round pendant]

Clearly you haven't seen my top 50 +12 streets log

[plush tendon]

and a group of people to slot in

[mighty valley]

i'm guessing you're just missing thunderblast procs and pressing revenge when you have other stuff and not pressing IP enough to burn rage (which you'll need to do even more when you start generating more rage)

[cerulean tusk]

Nice, I am gonna get ya lads to boost me to 3k later then

[sharp merlin]

I feel as though I'm in situations where it's binary, I have to manage rage well OR, I have too much holy shit holy shit spend it on IP holy shit!

[plush tendon]

my 690 bear could boost you to 3k

[mighty valley]

yeah, check the other warrior's IP CPM

[plush tendon]

timed 3 12s on that thing already

[cerulean tusk]

My 685 warrior got to 3k

[round pendant]

So fucking stupid

Meanwhile 705 alt can't even get into 10s

[mystic arch]

:kekw

god damn it

[cerulean tusk]

There is a huge difference in player quality tho

[round pendant]

And no one joins my key

[cerulean tusk]

A 10 back then, aint a 10 now

[round pendant]

Yeah it's insane lmao

[mystic arch]

I'm 705 and just running my own 13s atm

[cerulean tusk]

a 10 now... I dont even want to think about it

[mystic arch]

haven't had any issues

[cerulean tusk]

Really? Thats good

Usually 10-12 area becomes a cesspool of... subpar players

[sharp merlin]

Hmm I need to spam more LOL

[jagged pier]

already is

[mystic arch]

Yeah, I've been mostly fine. Although I'm getting gapped by top logs. Recently swapped from ppal so lmao

3.7m overall in a 13 halls

sadge

[mighty valley]

the answer to 90% of "how do I do more damage" questions in this channel is "press more buttons" lol

[cerulean tusk]

Veldt got more handson experience, I take his word over you, Jakey

[sharp merlin]

I think I need to also stop hitting revenge, it's a habit from last season

[plush tendon]

its pretty much all player skill

[cerulean tusk]

99% power of will

[plush tendon]

gear can cover it to a point

[sharp merlin]

But sending IP, it's normal to only send it around 80 rage mark, right?

[plush tendon]

but good players in shit gear will outpreform shit players in good gear

10/10 times

[mystic arch]

I actually made a weakaura for it using the apl logic lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Normal is to send it at suboptimal times, screaming as you got 0 rage gen and die - while your brain tells you need to use ignore pain to not die! Dooming yourself in a loop of selfdestruction.

That is what 90% of ppl do

trust

[mighty valley]

the real rule is "keep enough to be able to press revenge if you need to" which usually means pressing it at 70+

[round pendant]

Yeah, those groups' leaders lack the mental skill to understand that

[mighty valley]

but if it helps you to not overcap, you can drop lower when you know there's no revenge on the horizon, like during avatar/CDs

[round pendant]

I've been outdpsing most people on my sin rogue since 690 ilvl in pugs

but I just can't get into groups

lmao

[plush tendon]

bro, watching my friend gap people on his 685 ret paladin in last season gear

its just funny AF

[sharp merlin]

yeah I mean I'm not running into holy shit moments tbf

even during that 15, the only scary moment was literally the pull after swampface

[plush tendon]

the other thing that annoys me

is that people give up on keys so quick now

in like 14-16

[sharp merlin]

Oh

[plush tendon]

Ill be doing for weeklies

like, wtf

[sharp merlin]

I had a guy, abandon

[plush tendon]

you arent good enough to know if timer is ok

[sharp merlin]

cause the first pull took 5 sec too long

LOL

I was like.. bruh wtf

[manic shoal]

https://gyazo.com/527a25005342930ee2f3fabcc21f1197 go shoulders to get myth tier or farm them and go Signet myth?

[bold shard]

do any of you guys run a Vengeance Demon Hunter as well?

I got one, I've ran a blood dk, prot warrior, and vengeance DH through a tier 8 delve

now, I'm not an expert, maybe this is just user error

but, the Vengeance DH felt like it performed the least of those three

[undone beacon]

Shoulders drop off of soul hunters and salhadaar so

If you're killing those reliably then try and get them to drop

Signet is mid for us

[manic shoal]

I dont raid at all

[undone beacon]

Then you cant farm myth shoulders :P

[manic shoal]

So I'll farm shoulders from m+ and just catalyst it

[undone beacon]

No thats not what I'm saying

[frozen berry]

Can’t farm mythic

[manic shoal]

Yeah I meant farm as in farm shoulders in general

As in farm heroic from m+

mb

[undone beacon]

Signet is a B tier trinket lol

Take the tier

[bold shard]

raiding is an interesting thing because, in my humble opinion, its less about the actual content and more about talking to people

by that, I mean, I did a raid

I had no idea what i was doing, and it didn't matter, because they straight carried me

[manic shoal]

Shoulders have leech even

Sick

[bold shard]

and honestly, in my experience, this is true for all raiding ever, in all of WoW

unless you're John Warcraft, the skill of your raid group is infinitely more important than your own skill

[manic shoal]

How do you sim as tank?

Is it for pure dps?

[undone beacon]

Yes

You cant sim survivability

But the rule of thumb is more dps = more survive as well, since stats provide defensive benefits

[plush tendon]

of the tanks I play, VDH has felt the worse this tier

heck, may newly minted bear feels better

but Id prefer to play Prot War, Prot Pal, BDK, Bear over VDH right now

[mighty valley]

at mythic, in many encounters every player has the power to wipe the raid by messing up

before that, yeah, a critical mass of players who know what they're doing can carry a lot of people

[bold shard]

Yeah! its weird, because Havoc performs really well, and tanks in general do really well, but Vengeance DH is definitely doing the least good of all of them

[bold shard]

yar!

[plush tendon]

damage on VDH feels super low

I dont feel tanky

the sigils are nice

but AR VDH is pretty cringe to play imo and Im relying on sigil of flame+immo aura of aggro

and Fel Scarred is a bit cringe to play in dungeons

basically planning pulls around if I have meta

but thats just from my play experience

If I were to rank the tanks I play

Prot War>Prot Pal>Bear>BDK>VDH

BDK is higher cause im just super comfortable on that spec

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah big bear

[plush tendon]

im enjoying the bear

been playing it for... a week

but I see the appeal already

[undone beacon]

Bear is super relaxed and moonfire is sorely missed when im on any other tank, being able to pull from 45 yards without even facing the mob is sick

The biggest thing that bugs me right now with bear is that I feel like I'm dealing negative ST

[plush tendon]

Im still learning its limits

having only ironbark and surv instincts for CDs is a bit weird

[blazing shuttle]

That's... a big L vault.

[undone beacon]

You plan your huge pulls around incarn, you're practically unkillable in incarn

[plush tendon]

im not always sure when I can just eat a tank buster raw

[undone beacon]

Also are you running EC or DOTC?

[plush tendon]

or when I shoudl have something popped

[bold shard]

I like BDk for its extreme ease in delves, it feels more delve-efficient than any other class I've played, though I haven't played them all! but prot warrior feels like its better equipped for dungeons and being a tank, its abilities and such just fit the role better, most of the time as a bdk, in tanking, my healer is healing me, so my self-sustain isn't doing anything

[plush tendon]

and I feel super squish at the start of pulls

[plush tendon]

im a moon bear

[round pendant]

VDH is one of the easier tanks to just go splat on

and it's damage is mid

[plush tendon]

Icarn is awesome

[undone beacon]

Yeah bear is most vulnerable at the start of a pull before you get IF rolling. You either have to pool some rage from the last pull or throw barkskin heading into a new pack

[undone beacon]

Incarn is one of the few CDs in this game that make me feel powerful

Huge damage, huge survivability, turbo thrashing

[bold shard]

powerful 🐻

[undone beacon]

Keep in mind for EC that lunar beam is a defensive as well, you can hold it if needed for busters since its not only big healing but also 30% flat mastery

[bold shard]

it must be hard to be a druid, you're a beautiful night elf and then all your transmog turns into a bear

[undone beacon]

Like if you play well you should be able to beam most of the electrocrushes on momma

[round pendant]

Wow, this is worthless

[cerulean tusk]

[plush tendon]

Id rather be a bear

[round pendant]

already got myth shield kitty

[plush tendon]

Bear>Fem Nelf

all day

[bold shard]

😄 that's a good perspective

[undone beacon]

ah yes my beautiful night elf

[bold shard]

lmao 😄

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[plush tendon]

nice neck and the ring is very good for fury

[round pendant]

I ain't offspeccing this season unfort

prob will just take 6x tokens and craft a ring this week

[blazing shuttle]

I hate you so much rn.

[cerulean tusk]

Yeah, will be a pretty good item with turbo boost

[bold shard]

the token/vault thing is really cool, I love it

[round pendant]

I don't

[blazing shuttle]

Stares at his vault

YEAH ME TOO HAHA

[bold shard]

why not! you get cool gear (usually!)

[undone beacon]

Its nice to get something out of your vault even if its butts

Keeps incremental progress going

[cerulean tusk]

What if: It gave you currency, coins, to buy gear from a vendor?

[undone beacon]

I remember before the vault it was just an rng box with a random item, was EPIC

[undone beacon]

Thats what they ended up doing in BFA iirc for azerite pieces

Titan residium or some shit

[bold shard]

see, I have a prot warrior, a beast mastery hunter, a destruction warlock, bdk, restoration shaman that i use for farming valorstones,

so the vault is good for alts, I think?

it seems like that

[manic shoal]

Do you use defenders armorkit for armor, or stormbounds for stamina?

[cerulean tusk]

Armor = Str

[sinful copper]

Defenders slightly better

[cerulean tusk]

Str = power

Power = is king

[round pendant]

why

what did I do

[manic shoal]

tyty

[cerulean tusk]

Stamina = 💩

even tho I dont need to make it more clear

[blazing shuttle]

shield & neck.

In vault.

That are very tasty.

[cerulean tusk]

Yam just flexing

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah.

[cerulean tusk]

he is a bad man

[round pendant]

I have a myth shield and I have a crafted neck

this neck is worse than my crafted

[blazing shuttle]

I have a crafted belt.

And... these necks are bruh.

[cerulean tusk]

Get the belt, flex on Yam

[blazing shuttle]

Would be a waste, I'd lose my embelish.

& I got a myth shield already.

[cerulean tusk]

Why does everyone have a shield already?!

[blazing shuttle]

I'm thinking about a socket angle rn.

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[undone beacon]

I mean, sim the necks at least

[cerulean tusk]

Socket or another crafted piece part

chose what ya feel like

[blazing shuttle]

Losing 5k versa ain't on my bingo list.

I mean

5k haste

[undone beacon]

Be a man and play HR

jeez

[blazing shuttle]

HR?

[undone beacon]

Heavy Repurcussions

smh my head

[cerulean tusk]

HR feels snuggly and safe, best comfort QoL talent

[round pendant]

both my rings are crit/haste and so losing haste in those fucks me over

my neck is crit/haste too

[undone beacon]

I know its sub optimal but im not pushing +18s so I'm a lil HR bebe

[round pendant]

the myth neck could be good ig

[blazing shuttle]

B-but

ITF :(

[round pendant]

even with haste on like all my pieces I only have 24k haste

ig I gotta craft that belt this week

[blazing shuttle]

I'm down to 23k

But I might craft like

A ring

Goodbye, my love.

[undone beacon]

fuck it im dumping haste we dont need it

[blazing shuttle]

I'm going to MAKE YOU ANEW

[undone beacon]

wheres that guy who is all stam/vers

[warm plinth]

I had to start re-enchanting and changing gems because I topped 30k for a bit there

[round pendant]

I have devout zealot's + panoply

for a month now

[cerulean tusk]

Good, go into the light brother! Embrace the POWER of Col full Mast/Crit build!

BECOME IMMORTAL, ACCEND TO GODHOOD!

[round pendant]

they need to raise the weekly crest cap to like 120

or 135

[cerulean tusk]

Uncapped in what

2 weeks?

[round pendant]

yeah not soon enough

[cerulean tusk]

fair enuff

[warm plinth]

You're uncapped in 2 weeks

Gottem

[round pendant]

I'm like forever 1 piece behind in crests atm for how many vaults I've gotten myth pieces out of

oh the ring is 2.8%

[blazing shuttle]

Ìs it worth it htough

[round pendant]

looks like I'll swap to that and craft a belt, then upgrade the ring next week

that's prob biggest gain

[blazing shuttle]

SOCKET IT IS!

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/johan-johan-liebert-monster-monster-anime-eyes-wide-open-gif-26828717

The flex...

it never ends

[round pendant]

I mean it's not a flex

I lose haste and can't use ITF anymore

so it's a loss

:)

god this sucks, why do I have so little haste??

[bleak scaffold]

What's your overall ilvl Yam ? how are you barely reaching 24k with haste on all parts ?

[round pendant]

I have haste on everything but belt, shield and boots

715 ilvl

[bleak scaffold]

You should get yourself this neck

a tiny bit of haste, just a drop

I mean 24k is fine no ?

[plush tendon]

around 25k haste is good

[round pendant]

I won't have 24k if I use the ring from my vault

this is the pickle I am in

[jagged pier]

your fine with 21k

[bleak scaffold]

is it me or does the wow armory showing strange values?

It says I have 29K haste and i'm sure I don't

[bleak scaffold]

I don't get it, I like pickles :/

[round pendant]

same

13k on mats, 8k tip, and then for ring 7k gems, 1.5k enchant, 3k jeweller settings

I hate this game

[strong forum]

8k tip??

[undone beacon]

imagine tipping crafters

I throw 1k at em at most

if im feeling generous

[round pendant]

yeah that's cheap

I don't have a guild full of crafters

:(

[strong forum]

it takes buffed values you logged out with

[round pendant]

either way tho, 30k vs 22k doesn't matter

it's still absurd for a belt

[bleak scaffold]

Right so it must be with flask or something thx !

[round pendant]

I hate this dogshit crafting system

[undone beacon]

I put all my requests and trade chat and im spammed with "will craft no tip needed" messages lol

jewellers settings shooting up in price tho is annoying af

[round pendant]

tbf half the cost is just for my new ring

[undone beacon]

they were like 300 gold for the longest time

[round pendant]

but it's still a joke considering nothing makes gold in this game

[bleak scaffold]

In EU it was 3k a piece just 2weeks ago and now down to 1k, I bought some for 900 even ! I don't know what happened ...

You pay 8k for ONE craft ?

[round pendant]

pain

lost 4k crit too

[bleak scaffold]

But you have lots of Mast/vers now 🙂

[round pendant]

yeah my dps went up but my happiness went down

[bleak scaffold]

that doesn't make sense ... zugzug go up => more happy not less !

[round pendant]

now I gotta focus harder on my SB :(

[bleak scaffold]

It's the healer's fault if you die 😛

[round pendant]

he got flamed last night

in a +14 eco-dome

even tho the hunter was 700 ilvl (alt of 3.4k guy) and doing terrible damage and the boss fights took 4-5 minutes

the trash melted at least

but yeah he got flamed for being unable to heal and he's at least gonna try oracle now as a result, who says bullying doesn't work?

[bleak scaffold]

If your block drops, then you might be even harder to heal so he will rethink disc

[round pendant]

god I wish

[bleak scaffold]

only good thing for you to lose some haste 😉

[round pendant]

I don't think that'll ever happen tho

It's funny tho if you join groups with people who are 200-300 rio higher than you and it goes badly

they NEVER don't say anything

they always talk shit

They really have a lot of their ego tied up in their rio score

[bleak scaffold]

Well if you have a lower RIO you are not as good as they are.... as they imagine 😄

[round pendant]

they blame the fact that the healer is struggling but not the fact the fight is taking a million years and they didn't even do the spear swap on 2nd boss

😔

and one of them didn't even know where to place the pools on first boss

[bleak scaffold]

It's always others fault ... even if you are playing in a F%^*$ing GROUP !

[round pendant]

well, I never make mistakes

[bleak scaffold]

obviously!

[manic shoal]

What embellishments do you use?

[round pendant]

2x dawnthread

on wrist and belt

[bleak scaffold]

Wait, you are running +14 and DPS don't know where to place the pools ?????? wtf ... I understand this in 10, but in 14 ... and raging about other not playing good enougth ... the world we are in ...

we need pvp within pve group, so we can SS the shit out of those :x

[round pendant]

I've already done eco dome on 15

it's piss easy

but when I did it on 15, everyone was doing 9m dps

but in this 14 the extremely well geared ele barely managed 7m and the hunter was doing 5

my friend, also ele, way worse geared was 100k behind the geared ele

didn't help that I didn't have 4p equipped tho

[bleak scaffold]

You have the right to test things out, it's not a mistake 😉

[idle mesa]

Guys I just won myth belt from 2nd boss, is it the way to go or should i craft a 720 belt? I see most warrs are crafting over the belt

[round pendant]

crafted belt is better since it's free embellishment slot

afaik

700 crit/vers from the embellishment is just better than what you get from the +3 ilvl

[idle mesa]

Ah yeah that makes sense, also, should we hold on to glided crests to upgrade helm,chest, legs, hands for main stat next week or should we just send craft now?

[cedar egret]

theres a post in #updates-midnight mentioning that

[idle mesa]

ah pog ty

[idle mesa]

How many crests will it take to fully upgrade myth from 723 to 733(I think)

[bleak scaffold]

30 / item

It will be 730 I think since we are getting 2 extra step (6->8)

723 +3 +3 = 730 (blizzard's math)

[idle mesa]

Ah alright thanks 🙂

[round pendant]

I spent 75 gilded already

gonna have 105 to spend next week on cap increases

[storm canopy]

Can someone tell me what i am doing wrong with this sim? got the same issue with my frost dk

[round pendant]

don't use dungeon slice

[cedar egret]

i don't think ppl use dungeon slice anyway

[round pendant]

use patchwerk 5 target 1.5 mins for aoe

patchwerk 1 target 5 mins for st

[storm canopy]

ok ty ❤️

[undone beacon]

y'all see this

wild

[round pendant]

literally wild

[coarse bay]

Thats wild

[cedar egret]

bear kinda mid but owl and cat are cool

[blazing zinc]

Hello, as m+ only player, would you recommend I take Myth So'leah's Secret Technique from vault or socket? I currently have Myth Tome + Hero Ara Sacbrood. Ty for any advice! ❤️

[coarse bay]

So’leahs isnt a bad trinket to have, and there will be sockets to be had later. I’d take the trinket but it’s kinda up to you

[undone beacon]

SEAT TIME

[blazing zinc]

ty! Should I use it instead of Tome or Ara? I heard that Tome is m+ is a bit RNG if good or bad, what do you think?

[round pendant]

this is misinformation right

[mellow bridge]

no

[round pendant]

yes it is

don't

[mellow bridge]

🥱

[round pendant]

oh fuck it's real

[coarse bay]

It’s not rng, just doesn’t get optimal use in m+ situation. I’d personally use it over tome in m+

[round pendant]

see you guys in the next expac after midnight

[undone beacon]

lmfao

[round pendant]

WAIT

ALGETHAR ACADEMY

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[undone beacon]

how dare you doubt the veracity of my claims

[undone beacon]

3k from running algethar alone lets see it

[round pendant]

I played in legion but I kinda stopped between EN and the last parts

I never played seat

[nocturne spindle]

oh boi

time for BIRD BLEEDS AGAIN

VERY FUN TIMES ON WARRIOR

WOOO

[round pendant]

skyreach is cbt

is this the first pre-cata dungeon in m+ btw?

[undone beacon]

Seat was ass in legion so i hope they give it a fresh coat of paint

[round pendant]

saron I mean

[undone beacon]

yee

[round pendant]

neat

[thin minnow]

so i'm sitting at 4 crafted gears, including weapon shield belt and wrist. i can craft 1 more right now. what should i be going for? i would assume ring

[nocturne spindle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-talents-tree-on-midnight-alpha-so-many-new-talents-378673#warrior-protection

[undone beacon]

i was just about to link

let the floodgates open

we need an alpha channel

[coarse bay]

Sim it, good choices are rimg, neck, and an offpiece depending on your current gear

[nocturne spindle]

interesting

revenge can be specced to like single target or aoe

avatar inthe prot tree now?

[warm vale]

continuing the "rebuild prot every season" for the 4th season in a row

[thin minnow]

i have signet of collpasing stars and ring of the panoply, both looking like they are used the most by prot warriors. both are on hero track. do i just sim for damage to choose which one to replace?

[chrome falcon]

Woah?

[undone beacon]

LAST STAND IS A PASSIVE IN CLASS TREE POG

[nocturne spindle]

lmao shout class

[chrome falcon]

Looks like they're changing Revenge to be a targeted spell?

Unless this makes it how it is now...

[nocturne spindle]

the aoe talent is like 2 down

its a choice

[chrome falcon]

I detest revenge as it exists right now ngl

[nocturne spindle]

oh passive last stand

[chrome falcon]

It doesn't say that necessarily

[nocturne spindle]

neat

[chrome falcon]

You're probably right

[nocturne spindle]

what

it literally says hit all enemies in front of you

[coarse bay]

You can run a droptimizer for crafted gear and find what crafts would be the biggest

[chrome falcon]

Sure but it doesn't specify whether that's additional or a replacement of the targeted variation

[undone beacon]

Why did they change the name this sucks

[nocturne spindle]

FBV is still there

[undone beacon]

oh i see that

[nocturne spindle]

bottom of the tree

[undone beacon]

still, stupid name

[nocturne spindle]

wellmiddle

but yea

[mighty valley]

nooooooooo reference talent name i don't like

[undone beacon]

almost as bad as DH's "Set fire to the pain"

[undone beacon]

FACTS

[chrome falcon]

Looks like they're changing AM to not affect shield wall btw

Unless I'm missing something in the class tree

[undone beacon]

Weird

[chrome falcon]

Outburst doesn't buff TC anymore

[mighty valley]

ground targeted intervene???

[chrome falcon]

Deep wounds rework

Lmao, wait

Passive last stand

But... Bolster is still on our class tree?

[nocturne spindle]

ooo

OOOOOOO

we have

sac

instead of intervene now

[undone beacon]

Spellbreaker still exists :(

[nocturne spindle]

group sac

[mighty valley]

or fuck my allies, i have another movement button

[nocturne spindle]

or that

lamo

[coarse bay]

20% maximum health isnt very much

Sadly

[nocturne spindle]

its enough for dungeon aoe stuff

[coarse bay]

Much better than intervene

[winter dagger]

Usable on 1 big hit, 30% is pretty good for that 1 hit even if it’s just that

[solid sun]

How’s the stream going for the midnight deep dive

[nocturne spindle]

i assume this is post mitigation

[solid sun]

I’m out in the field so can’t watch

[nocturne spindle]

so basically shield wall tank the aoe hit

boring stream

lots of housing focus

the usual stuff

[chrome falcon]

Just get full externals

And it's a budget devo aura

Actually insane button in high keys though

[nocturne spindle]

yea its fucking huge

[chrome falcon]

oh god wait

fuck you blizzard

they're removing thunderous roar for us?

[trail dome]

Dumb question, I know 21k is the number you're meant to swap to ITF, I've generally found in keys that I like a lil extra over 21k just to make sure I never drop shield block if I'm late or mismanage shield charge or whatever. Is there a way to tell your sim that you want that much haste or will my sim always continue to tell me to play 20k haste + itf and I just need to feelycraft a bit?

Did some 18s the other day and have learned that tiny holes in shield block can be instant BSV procs. 😂

[chrome falcon]

now i have to press champion's spear????

[undone beacon]

was just gonna say

wheres roar >:(

[solid sun]

Are y’all discussing warrior changes revealed in the stream

Or just shooting the shit

[blazing shuttle]

THOSE NEW TALENTS

WHAT HTE FUCK

[nocturne spindle]

new talent tree from alpha

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/all-talents-tree-on-midnight-alpha-so-many-new-talents-378673#warrior-fury

Some specs have full apex revealed, others dont even work

Bear tree doesnt load

[nocturne spindle]

we lose the spear crit damage stuff

maybe just skip spear tbh

take some utility

[solid sun]

Are we excited

[nocturne spindle]

solely because of aoe sac

hyuge

rallying cry now a move speed buff

ay lmao

[blazing shuttle]

Hol' up

wait

guys

WHERE IS REND??

[grave flower]

class tree

[chrome falcon]

oh i just realised

[grand quiver]

class tree below armor reinforcement

[chrome falcon]

the Apex Talents aren't up at all

so we're probably missing a lot

i can't believe SW is gone from anger management

that might be the biggest fundamental nerf/change the class has received in a very long time

[blazing shuttle]

Found it!

So

What do we think guys?

Are we happy?

[chrome falcon]

If you're happy/sad at all about any of this you're out of your mind obviously

[nocturne spindle]

we impenetrable wall gamers again

[chrome falcon]

Entirely possible this is from 6 drafts ago and has been totally reworked

[undone beacon]

based on hunter's apex talents.... meh

[chrome falcon]

Removing last stand is a weird one for me

[blazing shuttle]

This is weird.

[chrome falcon]

That button hasn't been worth pressing without borrowed power for a very long time

So I won't really miss it for a gameplay purpose

[nocturne spindle]

laststand is passive on the regular tree now

[blazing shuttle]

So only execute is applying DW now? Why?

[chrome falcon]

But that's an iconic warrior ability from literal classic so it'll suck it lose it

[nocturne spindle]

basically a combine with bsv full heal or skip thing

[chrome falcon]

I'd basically call that removing it

It's not on my bars anymore

[nocturne spindle]

its a decent thing for dps wars now at least

[chrome falcon]

I kinda like the rework of deep wounds. The bleed stuff was always bit eh for us

Just extra bloat on details

[tawny wadi]

Just curious does execute cleave for prot? Im trying to figure out how to up my dmg. And I see executes being up in the meters

[chrome falcon]

Bottom right of the talent tree

If you're trying to increase your damage I would politely suggest reading your talents

[nocturne spindle]

stacking deep wounds execute phase could be fun

[chrome falcon]

Idk deep wounds now just says "execute does more damage" right

[nocturne spindle]

it depends on how the stacking works

[chrome falcon]

I don't think it's actually going to accelerate/go exponential

it's just a flat X damage added to each execute

[nocturne spindle]

but imagine

[mighty valley]

there's a talent that makes it cleave, yeah

[chrome falcon]

yeah would be funny

[blazing shuttle]

Guys

[chrome falcon]

Man I'm so glad we have single target/3 target revenge back

When we want it

[blazing shuttle]

Protadin no longer block spells

Unless it is a passive

[nocturne spindle]

wasnt it always a passive

[chrome falcon]

I hate pressing this stupid aoe button on single target it feels so unsatisfying

[nocturne spindle]

isnt it their mastery

[blazing shuttle]

Nop it is in their talents

[nocturne spindle]

oh

interesting

[prisma echo]

where you see it brother?

[blazing shuttle]

N G L

[nocturne spindle]

5% leech actually a little nice

[blazing shuttle]

It makes Rallying sound pretty nice

[nocturne spindle]

but still meh

[blazing shuttle]

Like

[strong forum]

we are so back!

SW not on anger management anymore
its over bros

[blazing shuttle]

From "lol" to "eh"

WAIT

WAITR NO

NOOOOOOOO

[mighty valley]

everyone's losing some defensives

maybe not everyone but

[chrome falcon]

yeah i was saying a few mins ago isn't this the biggest fundamental change to the class in like 8 years

[mighty valley]

generally pared back

[strong forum]

the devastator nerf that WAS about to launch for s2 wouldve been bigger

[chrome falcon]

dumping excess rage into IP is no longer actually a survivability increase

[strong forum]

but we cried enough

[chrome falcon]

i mean that would have sucked but it wouldn't have been like fundamental to the class philosophy right

i feel like this change is going to force blizz to address the rage economy problems

right now i don't mind incinerating 300 rage per pull into overcapped IPs

[undone beacon]

Dude bear changes are fucking great holyyyy

Thorns of Iron dead

[chrome falcon]

because at least i get a shield wall charge back

now it's just.... ok sure i get another avatar

[mighty valley]

and outburst

[chrome falcon]

hey wait

[finite lily]

which embellishments as prot warrior? going to craft sword+shield now

[chrome falcon]

where's

wait

hello?

blizzard where is unstoppable force

[lime mantle]

The new talents look sorta really godawful from a gameplay perspective ngl
Also rend is likely better than thunderclap's version because of the target cap

[chrome falcon]

surely that's going to be in the MT tree now

[wild merlin]

how's netherprism

[chrome falcon]

nomer where did blizzard put unstoppable force

am i blind

[mighty valley]

avatar has no capstones as is

[strong forum]

prolly in thane

[lime mantle]

It gone for now™

[chrome falcon]

nothing has capstones

[strong forum]

roar is also gone

[mighty valley]

well yeah i mean

[nocturne spindle]

oh

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[mighty valley]

avatar has lost the ones it had

[chrome falcon]

roar gone

[nocturne spindle]

intimidating shout isnt terrible anymore

[chrome falcon]

so so cringe

[mighty valley]

for fury too

[nocturne spindle]

its all targets cower

neat

[chrome falcon]

oh and spear only yoinks enemies once

that's new right?

[strong forum]

yeh

[blazing shuttle]

Looking at VDH changes and UHHHHHH

[chrome falcon]

looks like quite a lot of nerfs

to some fundamental things that we do

i wonder if bolster is supposed to still be on the class tree LMAO

[lime mantle]

It's alpha so I guess not?

[chrome falcon]

technically bolster still... works...

with new LS

but it's terrible

so kinda like now

[lime mantle]

Just tell your healers to let you die, as a prank

It's alpha so I guess now is the time to raise up the flag, because I feel they want to do changes to "reduce APM" which sorta defeats the point of warrior idk

[chrome falcon]

Bloodborne is also a terrible talent with the deep wounds rework (unless deep wounds is absurdly fucking overtuned)

Eh

[nocturne spindle]

i beleive in the infinite execute stack

[chrome falcon]

Our APM will still be high

[strong forum]

20 rage for AM btw

not 10

revenge not uncapped anymore by default

[chrome falcon]

Duuude

Targeted revenge for ST/small cleave

gonna be really nice in raid

[strong forum]

fueled by violence includes rend now tho

and you can have both fbv and brv

[lime mantle]

We where too good this expansion?

[strong forum]

everyone is getting dumbed down

[finite lily]

which embellishment for prot warrior? is it ascendance, or?

[strong forum]

dusk/dawn thread

[finite lily]

even on weapon?

[lime mantle]

I don't like the 'aim' of the changes then ngl

[strong forum]

embellishs are like 0.3% powergain so roll whatever you want

well

[chrome falcon]

Definitely looks like that way but we still have our apex talents and another column of hero talents

[strong forum]

the entire game is getting dumbed down

[chrome falcon]

I'm kind of assuming we're going to get current tier set as our new hero talent column but maybe i'm wrong

[strong forum]

to encompass the TBD addon changes

[mighty valley]

we're not really losing utility and others are getting pared back, so hopefully everything else turns out to be alpha jank that can be iterated on

[chrome falcon]

We're... gaining utility? I think?

[strong forum]

we're gaining ton of utility

[mighty valley]

yeah kinda

[chrome falcon]

Interpose and the rally buff

[lime mantle]

That always sounded like an actively bad thing ngl.

[strong forum]

interpose and rally is GIGANTIC

[chrome falcon]

That rally buff is so fucking crazy for raiad btw

5% leech? Movement speed? are you serious?

[nocturne spindle]

15% 5% leech

[mighty valley]

hey they forgot to add an effect to demo shout on the imp shouts talent

[nocturne spindle]

15sec*

[strong forum]

rally is MASSIVE for raid rot damage

like

[chrome falcon]

Dude imagine popping rally in like

[strong forum]

remember when warri had 3% perma leech for raid in legion for a patch?

[chrome falcon]

The nexus king damage amp phase

[strong forum]

it was the TOP HEALING

[chrome falcon]

Inspiring Presence #rip

[nocturne spindle]

we have 2 move speed buffs too

[chrome falcon]

WHAT

[nocturne spindle]

piercing is aoe movespeed

[chrome falcon]

i didn't read this

What the fuck

[karmic plinth]

increased shout duration with thunderlord will be funny

[nocturne spindle]

lock in bois

warriors the utility tank next expac

[chrome falcon]

Dude we're going to lose all our globals in raid

To spamming Piercing

I'm literally pressing that button on GCD

[nocturne spindle]

the next araz move around chasing adds fight

10 warriors

constant move speed

adds never move

[karmic plinth]

surely this does not go live

[chrome falcon]

0% chance it goes live

Every raid will have 3 warriors

On permanent piercing howl rotation

They'll change it to only target party

[lime mantle]

I assume they'll give it bigger CD

[lime mantle]

Wait, making the game simpler, removing addons, forcing a warrior per group...
Midnight is a classic+ conspiracy!

[strong forum]

Literal first preview of alpha "surely it won't go live like this"

Correct, it won't

[blazing shuttle]

Honestly, interpose is what I'm so looking forwxard to.

[chrome falcon]

Yeah that piercing howl change is fake

Interpose could be absolutely ridiculous

So like

[blazing shuttle]

Like, holy.

[chrome falcon]

Imagine a huge physical damage hit

Warrior pops interpose

Paladin BoPs warrior

[nocturne spindle]

honed reflexes is now 10% concussive blows is now its wn taletn

could be huge

fast interrupt

[chrome falcon]

Now warrior has devotion aura

[undone beacon]

This is actually live launching in 11.2.5

4head

Legion remix was a distraction

[karmic plinth]

can you imagine

[chrome falcon]

I'm pretty much certain those AM nerfs are here to stay though right

That feels like a very deliberate change to the core design philosophy of the class

[lime mantle]

yeah, someone at blizzard is really enthused with the idea of making warrior a slower class.

[chrome falcon]

Well

We're supposed to be the noob class for idiots

[lime mantle]

That's paladin tho 🤔
Self healing, same tankiness as a warrior ||touted as a simpler class for new players way back when||.

[mighty valley]

how does this change make warrior slower

[lime mantle]

AM now:
10 rage -1s to SW and Avatar
AM in alpha:
20 rage for -1s to Avatar

[karmic plinth]

paladin also lost their cdr talents

[chrome falcon]

Yeah from a pure "what i like about warrior" PoV, some of these changes are a bit

[mighty valley]

changing our overall CD timers doesn't have a big impact on our APM though

[lime mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[frosty mango]

interesting putting FBV on a diff node

[chrome falcon]

That choice node is weird

One is just going to be so strictly better than the other right

[frosty mango]

also moving last stand to class tree but leaving bolster

[lime mantle]

It seems a general intent on making the game slower and simpler because (shitters) cried about addons, again ngl.
Most of the changes come across as pretty bad but I guess alpha.

[frosty mango]

on prot tree

[chrome falcon]

yeah Bolster is placeholder for sure right

i personally have no issues with making some parts of the game slower and simpler frankly

[mighty valley]

yeah if they keep last stand like this, bolster is surely die

I liked the s2 colossus warrior pace tbh

[chrome falcon]

go tryhard in keys for a few hours and you will absolutely start cramping up

[chrome falcon]

yeah that was a sweet spot

fast but not frantic

[torn gulch]

these alpha changes look mega yikes

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

I'm not gonna overreact but yeah I'm not sure on the philosophy here and definitely not sure why we're getting 3 utility buffs

No

5 buffs to our utility

[thin minnow]

how do you pull dungeons like psf and hoa without a dk

[lime mantle]

I like the options, this feels very "We don't like you playing this, you are playing it wrong, this game is not for you, leave." type of changes.
I'd much prefer some aura buffs or similar so we can have Very Fast (Thane) and Fast/Better paced (Colossus).

That said, if that is the intend of the devs I guess that's fine, I just don't like them and if I don't like the game I am not forced to play it so 🤷‍♂️

[chrome falcon]

Our utility is going to be beyond insane

[mighty valley]

the double group ms buff definitely seems like an oversight

[chrome falcon]

Yeah

That piercing howl talent is not real definitely

[azure crag]

Oh so did everybody lose their CDR talents?

[finite lily]

how much crit do we want approx.?

is it 20k?

and 23k haste?

[mighty valley]

yeah there are big game-wide changes to CDs, utility, and healing, so it's gonna be hard to judge the outcomes

there's def a lot of alpha jank

[torn gulch]

it remains to be seen when we test dungeons and raid in like january

what the effects wil be

[undone beacon]

bear's lives

We still have incarn cdr

[lime mantle]

Seems so, a lot of random ones I am checking, even for smaller stuff like demon spikes are gone.

As said by someone before, likely aiming to make the game simpler since they wanted to nuke WA, platers, unitframes, etc... which "helped" the complexity creep. In the other hand, it has also been 10 years since the last big prunning so maybe it was time dunno 🤷‍♂️

[undone beacon]

but incarn is also less defensive now

still giga cd tho

[torn gulch]

with the timeline the are going with first season of midnight will be very very interesting

[azure crag]

oh hey, there's anger management in the class tree. It doesn't affect shield wall anymore, tho

[grizzled nova]

and it's nerfed in half

[azure crag]

oof

[idle mesa]

I’m playing brand ire + soleah’s or pacemaker is the play? I’m leaning toward pacemaker but I might be wrong

[jagged pier]

it wont matter

pick your favourite

[mighty valley]

i gotta imagine they improve avatar in apex/hero talents or just with iteration, making it worse and also less frequent would be silly

[nocturne spindle]

soleah and pacemaker are like margin of error

[frosty mango]

Not when you consider they are trying to reduce cpm

[nocturne spindle]

soleahs probably technically a teeeny bitbetter accounting for the buffed ally

[frosty mango]

Look at all the changes holistically

They are clearly trying to slow the game down

And reduce interactions

[mighty valley]

right, but you can slow things down and still make your cooldown actually impactful

[frosty mango]

Prob to reduce people feeling like they “need” addons

[mighty valley]

as it stands, avatar has lost CDR and lost capstone talents

[frosty mango]

They’re definitely gonna hit the “fuck addons” accelerator in midnight

[round pendant]

valorstones deleted

YES

YESSSSSSSSS

[frosty mango]

I would expect a lot of changes related to that

https://www.wowhead.com/news/combat-addons-disabled-in-end-game-content-in-midnight-378679?utm_source=discord-webhook

Didn’t think I’d be right so fast

[jagged pier]

nothing to be right about, they've have been saying this for ages

🤔

[round pendant]

does this mean cd tracker was

[solid sun]

So I’m curious

Forced to use the blizz tracker