But I feel like my guys at nitpicking every single pull, if the pull isn't pixel perfect gathered in 0.1 sec, I'm the problem
#protection
sharp merlin
so to give more context, I was away for 3 weeks, one of the dps took over tanking, and has gone back to dps, but is now backseating me (he played Guardian)
But as a tank, as I'm doing the pulls, it feels like every pull is 10-15sec longer than I think they should be
mortal cypress
Replace the mage for one key and see how it goes. With only 5 people, one person can make a huge diff
sharp merlin
oof, it can really make that much of a difference?
He's parsing 8-9 grey on Key lvl %, which I know we shouldn't take parses into consideration, but..
mellow yoke
yeah you shouldnt take parses in consideration when they are high
if he is parsing 8-9 then there is definitely a problem
mortal cypress
If you are clearing it easy it won't, but you said it feels like all pulls are taking too long. You can't just wish for more dps.
sharp merlin
The pug was the shaman 😂
mortal cypress
And I'm not saying replace, just try one key
sharp merlin
on a +14 DB
sharp merlin
And I'm not saying replace, just try one key
I might try that ]
sharp merlin
If you are clearing it easy it won't, but you said it feels like all pulls are t...
yeah, it's more on the feel side, it it just feels like pulls are taking longer than when I playing in week 2, and the mage I was playing with is a CE Raider
sharp merlin
I know, but this guy was insane,
really, really good Mage
things would just disappear lol
mortal cypress
yeah, it's more on the _feel_ side, it it just feels like pulls are taking longe...
You are a tank so can get a group easy. At least just test because complaining and changing nothing won't fix anything
sharp merlin
You are a tank so can get a group easy. At least just test because complaining a...
Sir yes sir! 🫡
mortal cypress
Good luck!
paper stump
I would like to share my thoughts in M+ groups, whenever i see some dps dealing the same or close damage as mine/ keep dying from silly puddles, avoidable damage, I immediately vote for abandon. Man no point to struggle and waste time if ppl are not fully prepared focused to do the key.
jagged pier
well u must be just lovely to play with
litterally timed keys this week being second on dps
paper stump
Man correct me if I am wrong, its almost as boosting ppl or those high rio dont feel like doing their best, so why would I bother.
little ermine
If you time your 12s for your vault, who cares about who does how much damage
As long as it is timed and not too much of a slog it’s ok in my book
paper stump
litterally timed keys this week being second on dps
True i am usually top /2nd when it comes to packs pulling but overall, i dont go under 4m sometimes 5m+ depends on the key ( I am timing 14+ )
paper stump
If you time your 12s for your vault, who cares about who does how much damage
A...
Agreed, just dont die on me. It is frustrating and makes me hate the whole run.
paper stump
litterally timed keys this week being second on dps
Cannot wait till i get both my mythic track weapon and shield. I just started this spec 3 weeks ago (switched from Fury since DF till S1 TWW and no game in S2) and man i love war prot more than my blood dk now and consider myself under learning process.
sharp merlin
<a:catHuh:1082978429575626792>
ahahahah
north cedar
True i am usually top /2nd when it comes to packs pulling but overall, i dont g...
Where do you find these groups? Dont think ive ever ran a key where all DPS werent ahead of the tank (I main DPS)
paper stump
Where do you find these groups? Dont think ive ever ran a key where all DPS were...
They are everywhere especially those high rio boosting their friends’ alt and sometimes high rio ones not doing their best “not in the mood maybe” tho they have great logs in both raids and M+. Again, its all about how prepared and rdy those ppl are to do any run.
north cedar
If its one guy being "boosted" but the friend is making up for it, fine. But tank being #1 on pulls is just insanity, abandon is definitely justified
fathom oasis
also, if i join a weekly 10 group that doesn't clearly indicate that one guy is boosting a friend, and i see someone that clearly shouldn't be doing a 10 i'm out
if it's clearly stated i don't mind at all
fathom oasis
Where do you find these groups? Dont think ive ever ran a key where all DPS were...
yeah, same (and i'm the tank)
sweet summit
I don't see the issue if the key is still timed 
fathom oasis
it's about people not being upfront
sweet summit
if it's someone getting a boost from a friend it should be quite clear just looking at score and/or ilvl
and if it is not clear then they might just be bad and i don't see the issue with that either
not everyone can be as good as i am!!
fathom oasis
yeah, i'd be out when i'm in the party and check the members, wouldn't brick their key for it
sweet summit
yea that's fair
stone moat
I mean its clearly exaggerated
north cedar
I don't see the issue if the key is still timed <:okayge:917646812519739433>
+10 or even +12 can be timed quite easily even if one DPS went AFK immediately at start for the whole run. Im stil not doing that (for free)🤷♂️
paper stump
also, if i join a weekly 10 group that doesn't clearly indicate that one guy is ...
Here you go. I respect ppl stating in the search “helping a friend” atleast i know.
fair sonnet
sometimes I actively search for keys with that in the description
vibes are usually great in such groups
stone moat
There’s no way anyone is actually going to take your malding seriously
cerulean tusk
My only add:
For the 2-14 range expect to be top or close to best DPS in the key as a tank.
It is still extremely doable and, you should, keep in mind players in this bracket are not tryhards. Nor should you expect them to be. They are doing their best and that is good enough 
stone moat
This is literally peak delusional class discord right now
No you shouldn’t expect to be tops in 14 nor are you consistently
If you’re doing 4-5mil, which is pretty good dam, and the 3 dps are doing 4 mil, you probably aren’t timing 14s just on dps alone
Also you’re quite literally playing in the same bracket? These magical dps you find are escaped monkeys who can’t press BM’s 3 button rotation but thank god you’re there to carry them???
It’s bad advice and all of you should stop spreading it
north cedar
Show me a log of timing +14 where tank is anywhere close to top lol
shrewd grove
My only add:
For the 2-14 range expect to be top or close to best DPS in the key...
Do we have an award for the worst take of the week?
stone moat
Dude he’s asking how do the incredibly intuitive and easy plexus mechanics but is top dmg in every key he runs and is tired of boosted people
solid sun
I finished a halls 14 last night at 5.18m dps and all three of my dps were just shy of 8m. Like between 7.5 and 7.8m? We had 3:50 left on the timer.
solid sun
I think if they were all below me we might have def run out of time
sharp merlin
I finished a halls 14 last night at 5.18m dps and all three of my dps were just ...
Can you send me the log if you have it Rhino? My dmg is nowhere near that - and I'm using Tome / Seaforium
stone moat
Aka since it’s bitch made to talk shit without logs here are my logs
Shyong - Area 52
Blackfyst - Area 52
Shong - Ysera
sharp merlin
huh
sinful copper
What is even going on
solid sun
I was asking Shong
Not Pom
When I get home from work I’ll see if my mage friend logged our runs
sharp merlin
Awesome, cheers Rhino!
frosty mango
No shot you’re ever top dps in a 14
Last season absolutely
But this season the disparity between tank dps and actual dps is too great for that to be happening frequently - if you’re outdpsing someone of similar gear level then that person is very bad
The disparity is actually a problem right now in higher keys, burst threat is gating pull speed
Especially as warrior where if you don’t have a blast ready you’re going to lose aggro on a new pull with even moderately competent dps players
stone moat
I thought it would be rude to talk shit without having logs to also be critiqued on so I posted mine
And I got irritated by 2 people self stroking how bad pugs are like they’re yoda and kira
frosty mango
I thought it would be rude to talk shit without having logs to also be critiqued...
It’s more entertaining that way, though
Pugs are also notoriously bad
Though this season I generally find the issue isn’t “not enough dps” it’s “I only press dps”
That’s only my experience though
sinful copper
Yeah cc and interrupts are insanely important, not just dps
kind urchin
I've never beaten a dps in a timed 14 this season. I've come close to beating third place but they edged put ahead of me. There's no way you're timing them if your dps are below you.
frosty mango
IMO this season kicks and stops are more important than raw dps in basically all keys except for floodgate
bleak scaffold
Personnaly I'm alway in TOP4 DPS of my M+ groups, there is always slacking with like 500k DPS ... but hey it's pug what are you gonna do?!
sinful copper
Yeah just cuz flood is tight timer but still those harpoon kicks or stops on kelps can end a key
frosty mango
I’ve definitely timed 14s where I beat one of the dps but it wasn’t by a lot
sinful copper
Personnaly I'm alway in TOP4 DPS of my M+ groups, there is always slacking with ...
I had a rdruid do 35k DPS in a 14. Was like bro c'mon, you're not even trying
frosty mango
Timed a 14 eco where we were carrying a guildies alt that was like 685 lol. But the other two were double digits, think I was like 5.5m
bleak scaffold
These guys right ?!
sinful copper
Iunno I think if healers want to push keys, they should do 1m+ DPS unless you're oracle. Helps the key a bunch, especially on the tough pulls
bleak scaffold
It was just a joke 😄 to calm down a bit the heat ^^
sinful copper
Yeah I know u were joking but it was my honest take
Oh I have never invited a mw monk this season
frosty mango
On sham I can rip 2m overall easily and on monk im BARELY over 1.2m and thats if im trying hard
I think they’re gonna nerf sham ancestor dps tho because it’s kinda wild right now
sinful copper
Is it that strong? The higher the key goes, less farseer can DPS though because they're busy healing
sharp merlin
I think the bigger issue with pugs is just dying or holding kicks, if you're a shammy and you have less than 10 kicks, you are just trolling
Last season Colossus, I was keeping up with dps, this season, not so much, but it could be just skill issue
bleak scaffold
Only occasion I"ve beat DPS is when helping a friend or joined "weekly" to help a friend (not my actual friend but the friend of the key holder)
On overall ... playing with a SPriest, when the group gets purged in 30s he doesn't have the time to DPS ...
sharp merlin
oh yeah, I've helped an 850 ilvl guildie, and that's fine on a 10
bleak scaffold
Blizzard said they limited the requirments for kicks, and now some DPS seems to have left it in the book indeed :x
It's not that bad though
solid sun
I think I see more overlapped kicks than I do no kicking at all
sharp merlin
true
sinful copper
They minimized some in halls.... Pre-nerf was really terrible
bleak scaffold
They said they are reducing the impact of casters or something like that.
In the end we still need kicks ... ^^
frosty mango
There has never been a season where you have so many instances of multiple kicks overlapping with unavoidable aoe mechs in a way that someone will die if you miss one
sinful copper
Eco dome is so brutal with kicks. And harpoons in floodgate
solid sun
I also see certain specs pad on stuff that’s supposed to be used for funnel.
Overlapped kicks and that and then general dying to swirlies or whatever seems to be the three most common things I encounter
fathom oasis
My only add:
For the 2-14 range expect to be top or close to best DPS in the key...
damn, hook line and sinker
cerulean tusk
Still waiting for Nim 
stone moat
I’ve been had
sinful copper
Oof
bleak scaffold
Overlapped kicks and that and then general dying to swirlies or whatever seems t...
Same thing, I'm starting to assign icons but they might say yes to make me happy and then just forget it :x
fathom oasis
Still waiting for Nim <:Hydrate:690891013350228028>
frosty mango
Still waiting for Nim <:Hydrate:690891013350228028>
He went into convulsions when we started talking about tank dps
shrewd grove
I've definitely timed 14s with someone doing less damage than me. I run with my sister who is physically disabled and uses OBR on Aug. We pretty regularly time keys with her under me on logs.
But to say you're regularly 1st or 2nd on overall in pug 14s is crazy lol
stone moat
I've definitely timed 14s with someone doing less damage than me. I run with my ...
Brother we’re being trolled you gotta move on and pretend this didn’t happen
shrewd grove
jagged pier
ionic fern
Most popular channel ever.
upbeat plover
Most popular channel ever.
Let's not go that far now
solid sun
small steeple
almost, but you ruined it with text
dusky canopy
sweet summit
hoary gate
@fathom oasis sure here it is https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VTKRtXxqBNPf2L6k?fight=1&type=healing&start=2262021&end=4135757
Sorry I fell asleep last night lol
bold shard
here is a M+ dps chart i got from mythicstats
I especially like the last number, that represents number of runs, uh, wait ,a better ss can show that
with 11k runs those numbers of average and top dps are relatively more solid!
lusty grotto
good morning
bold shard
good morning
good morning Nimchip! you are a good person and you help people with prot warrior questions
fathom oasis
good morning
jagged pier
good morning
lusty grotto
solid sun
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
lusty grotto
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
jagged pier
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
hoary gate
stop pressing revenege so much
Yeah, bad habit from playing colossus so much last season lol
fathom oasis
lusty grotto
plush tendon
honestly not bad
lusty grotto
man
this is probably gonna be one of those weeks
where i'd much rather sleep in, i can feel it
and then next week... BOOM
remix + BF6
mellow yoke
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
fathom oasis
is it weird i've used that copy pasta like 4 times and i still hadn't read it in full?
wth is that last sentence tho
lusty grotto
nah
dusky canopy
undone beacon
upbeat plover
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why smile (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
Prots enjoy their copy pasta too huh
undone beacon
"and wonder why smile" smh my damn head
bold shard
honestly not bad
the thing I like about these specific charts is the number of runs is listed, and also, top vs average, for example, this, a lot of this is sorta useless data, BUT
chrome plinth
thanks!
bold shard
when you compare the very bottom TOP DPS vs the very top, average dps
then, you see some things that are "Hmm"
such as frost mage vs frost dk, lol
round pendant
Important to consider that that data is only from 14+ keys
I imagine representation is much more even for 12 and under
bold shard
yeah, I can see what you're saying, I agree
mellow yoke
Important to consider that that data is only from 14+ keys
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
frosty mango
btw has there ever been a legendary shield?
No
undone beacon
upbeat plover
we like the other channels memes too 🙂
https://tenor.com/view/you-and-i-are-not-so-different-raimi-meme-green-goblin-spiderman-gif-20908369
bold shard
Windshield, Blessed Lightningseeker
jagged pier
btw has there ever been a legendary shield?
yes, and it dropped and could only be equiped on 1 fight in tbc
lusty grotto
bold shard
yes, and it dropped and could only be equiped on 1 fight in tbc
aw that sucks, I meant something we could equip all the itme
frosty mango
yes, and it dropped and could only be equiped on 1 fight in tbc
That’s cheating that’s not real!
undone beacon
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
lmao
undone beacon
lusty grotto
ROFL
round pendant
+18
lusty grotto
sparky sees no SB, sparky piledrive
undone beacon
here it is as a laggy gif
lusty grotto
what a way to go
mortal cypress
what actual happened? Apart from the warrior getting instagibbed....he just didnt use shield block?
undone beacon
Half health charge the boss on an 18
undone beacon
Personally I like the brand proc right before he dies
lusty grotto
whack
undone beacon
Or is that a nucleus getting turbo eaten
lusty grotto
i have no idea
fathom oasis
i've been robbed
undone beacon
thats what happens when you post new content at 4am you silly night owl
gotta strike when the iron is hot and the nim is prowling
lusty grotto
LOL
i guess the biggest question is
why arent players using recoup more in keys
especially that warrior
mortal cypress
i always forget i have it
undone beacon
half the people in my raid didnt know it was a thing until i yelled at them
lusty grotto
yeah i actually put in the one WA with the clickable thing
mortal cypress
play the game for 20+ years and somethiung s are VERY ingrained, eg look for mage food, oh no mage, wait for healer
lusty grotto
right, its like when bear tartares made it in
undone beacon
D:
lusty grotto
bold shard
why arent players using recoup more in keys
yaaaaaaarrr!! you are totally right!
lusty grotto
especially after that skip
also recoup works with mage food too
recoup first then mage food
bold shard
I didn't know that, another good Nimchip fact
undone beacon
Yeah, with mage food you recoup twice as fast. Its a meme now in our raid
lusty grotto
second wind makes it irrelevant if youre any other spec than prot though
undone beacon
Go vote for 602 he's such a fat bear
lusty grotto
why is thyme a smol bear
bold shard
lol 😄
undone beacon
Its the bear they picked!
undone beacon
I've got faith in my bear
lusty grotto
i just want to point out
that those bears are drinking salmon
with sippy cups even
undone beacon
thirsty
restive fulcrum
with 2+ mobs, is violent outburst better spent on TC or SS, strictly if you dont have a TB proc
undone beacon
SS
lusty grotto
SS
restive fulcrum
what point is it better on TC
lusty grotto
7+ mobs
undone beacon
On TC, practically never but yeah 7+
restive fulcrum
ideally never yeah but just in the event it happens in a key, just curious where to send it
tyty hivemind
lusty grotto
fair sonnet
is that with or without hero talent buff?
lusty grotto
you mean TB?
undone beacon
if we're a hivemind then we're quite the dysfunctional one jajaja
lusty grotto
TC is without
fair sonnet
ah
mellow yoke
has anyone achieved 99% SB uptime
round pendant
I didn't know that, another good Nimchip fact
he just can't miss
mellow yoke
without HR
round pendant
other than when he does
round pendant
what actual happened? Apart from the warrior getting instagibbed....he just didn...
apparently the boss also chunks you for like 2 fat hits in a small aoe around it at the start of the fight
but pretty sure an unmitigated melee will kill you like that in an 18
warm plinth
Same thing that happens a lot with charge from what I can see. Charge took him through the boss, boss tapped him in the back.
mortal cypress
apparently the boss also chunks you for like 2 fat hits in a small aoe around it...
ah
round pendant
Same thing that happens a lot with charge from what I can see. Charge took him ...
classic
warm plinth
I usually heroic throw to pull nowadays. Seems to prevent the charge through the boss thing if it's moving already
Which makes no sense but it is what it is
dusky canopy
brittle owl
warm plinth
It puckered the sphincter for me a couple times on swampfist
elfin elk
What do you all use for the Nexus king solo soaks? I've been using SR+wall and then demo shouting the frontals but not sure if that's optimal
lusty grotto
myth?
you need externals
our toolkit alone is not enough
frontal is easy since its a deflect
jagged pier
why would u not SR the frontal, it just deflects it
and u dont need to worry about anything else
elfin elk
TiL I need to figure out what my healers need to send on me then
lusty grotto
ah i see what youre saying
jagged pier
not doing that is dumb u need exteranls for the circle ither way
elfin elk
Does the soak not also do magic damage?
elfin elk
I got through all three soaks a few times yesterday using that combo
Don't think I got any externals but I'll check when I'm home from work
lusty grotto
or maybe it is
shut summit
elfin elk
I had SR up for every soak
lusty grotto
but you want it for the frontal
elfin elk
It did proc BSV a few times but that's what it's there for
I'll see what externals I can yoink
dry skiff
i died at +17 Big Momma, i need to know if healer wasnt healing me or it was something else. i was so comfortable at 16 but in this 17 i was using more defensives on each tank buster until i ran out of everything and slowly died
lusty grotto
logs
dry skiff
aw, didnt log, thought i could get some feedback with this
details is for this boss alone
lusty grotto
yup
frosty mango
If you died you didn’t press your buttons correctly
plush tendon
were you one shot?
frosty mango
Highly unlikely you died due to lack of heals
dry skiff
i have 4% magic reduciton, i was usiung reflect, demoralizing shout, impending victory on each tank buster and often added a shield wall or last stand to them
lusty grotto
often?
plush tendon
so you got one shot?
lusty grotto
thats the first thing you send
dry skiff
this, i dont know why i didnt send it earlier
dry skiff
i'll try
shrewd grove
this, i dont know why i didnt send it earlier
For times like these logs are truly the only way anyone can get you a definitive answer
lusty grotto
seriously we can determine what happened extremely easily with logs
plush tendon
so his last heal from the healer is a riptide 4 seconds before death
frosty mango
It wasnt logged
plush tendon
and he has the tankbuster dot on him
dry skiff
i was always loging but this season i disabled it, too much fps drop
plush tendon
honestly, to me you just bled out
orchid narwhal
You didnt have shield block up
That damage looks like you dropped it
You dont take that much in melees
lusty grotto
It wasnt logged
sometimes people log and dont upload
im one of those people
but mostly cause im lazy
thats why i asked to find out maybe someone has the raw
plush tendon
he took a 4.7 melee hit from boss, ticking for 2.5 mil from the dot
dry skiff
That damage looks like you dropped it
hmmm i dont really remember what happened at the last second. maybe i gave up, maybe i had it on, i rememebr i was rage starved tho
plush tendon
but then towards your death the dot goes from 2.5 to 4/5 mill
so a DR ran out
for the last two ticks
frosty mango
So a few things just based off that snip but would need logs to confirm
Your defensives fell off because you pushed them too early before electrocrush, you can see that bc you got blasted for the last tick for 4m
So that was shield wall falling off
dry skiff
so a DR ran out
defo demoralizing shout
frosty mango
I also don’t see health pot or impending victory here which I guess they could have been on cooldown but I doubt both were
orchid narwhal
Because of the dot ticking on you
Both dots at the aame time generallt actually does mean you got healer diff’d
dry skiff
i died just before 3rd intermission
orchid narwhal
Oh then you got healer diff’d cuz why are you ticking 2m on black blood that late into the pull LOL
plush tendon
3rd intermission and you still had a contractor up?
frosty mango
Other than that the dot was on you and the adds were still up which is indicative of a dps issue
undone beacon
dry skiff
I also don’t see health pot or impending victory here which I guess they could h...
heal pot were, impending victory i tend to use immediately after tank buster, so maybe it;s higher up
orchid narwhal
That said, log your runs in the future, you still shouldve been okay to survive that late in the pull
Just have to play more clean
frosty mango
If health pot and impend were up I’d say you could have saved yourself here but assuming they weren’t I’d have kited here
frosty mango
Shockwave and leap to get that stupid ass dot off
orchid narwhal
Tell him to make it public
dry skiff
btw i couldnt copy it in game, i begged chatgpt to convert image to url xD
he says he opened the log in incognito tab so it msut be public -.-
dry skiff
dry skiff
that was fast O_o
dry skiff
lmao i just realized
btw yea impending victory was a -8.51s
i only remember starving, both rage and hp
shrewd grove
Mfw you actually seem to have died due to lack of healing....
dry skiff
i need to know if i was lacking something or healer ignored me, because i was SOO comfortable in 16
mortal cypress
Mfw you actually seem to have died due to lack of healing....
thats why you always blame the healer
dry skiff
seeing myself in these situations makes me wonder how much harder would my life be without [Heavy Repercussions]. i hope i'm wrong
lusty grotto
your SB is fine
this is a healer misshap
in combination with some other things
you dont need Heavy Rep
dry skiff
you dont need Heavy Rep
i soooo want to play with the 8% haste but when i find myself rage starved in these situations it makes me wonder
frosty mango
this is your healer just not pressing buttons tbh
shrewd grove
seeing myself in these situations makes me wonder how much harder would my life ...
SB doesnt fix what you died to
frosty mango
shrewd grove
i soooo want to play with the 8% haste but when i find myself rage starved in th...
HR doesnt give you rage
frosty mango
he pressed 6 buttons in 18 seconds
lusty grotto
yup
undone beacon
HR doesnt give you rage
shrewd grove
I lied
lusty grotto
Itshealerfault
dry skiff
HR doesnt give you rage
i know but dont i use shield block more often ?
frosty mango
considering you were sub 100% health for like 40s
bro just said "if he dies he dies"
undone beacon
Healer had zug zug brain
dry skiff
bro just said "if he dies he dies"
T_T what a comment
frosty mango
but in any world 6 spells in 18.5s in wild
shrewd grove
i know but dont i use shield block more often ?
If youre playing correctly youre flooded with rage well beyond what you need to press SB. The trick with rage right now is making sure you dont overcap. Generating enough isnt usually the issue
frosty mango
thats legitimately just not pressing your buttons
shrewd grove
Unless youre spamming IP too much
frosty mango
so when I said its unlikely it was a healer issue, congratulations youre the exception
shrewd grove
so when I said its unlikely it was a healer issue, congratulations youre the exc...
Bahaha. And this is why logs are important
dry skiff
i feel worthy
frosty mango
both his hps and dps are suffering immensely
IE your first pull lust window
he does half the healing of you but only does 100k dps
he could drop healing tide there and do 5m dps
bro is throwing lol
mellow yoke
All im saying is you guys sit and analyze trinkets and numbers and forget to play the game. I bet you lose at least 10% dmg due to keybinds, addons and flexibility. Then you login and see people with less gear outperfoming you and wonder why 😄 (not intended for you personally ofc). This isint data analyst excel shit you do at job...more factors take place than you think. And yes im 100% sure that Sim is total shit. (not enough filters to use it as you think it works atm)
round pendant
btw i couldnt copy it in game, i begged chatgpt to convert image to url xD
are you serious
sinful copper
Is there anything that will turn on logging automatically? Like just combat logging, not necessarily uploading it. I can manually upload it myself
frosty mango
yes many addons do
mellow yoke
Is there anything that will turn on logging automatically? Like just combat logg...
auto combat logger
lusty grotto
yes practically all the addons we use
mellow yoke
or sum like that
lusty grotto
no need for an additional addon
sinful copper
Oh sweet
sinful copper
Yeah true
mellow yoke
no addons enjoyer
round pendant
I use loggerhead and disable the logging in all those other things
sinful copper
I am. Well DBM, not big wigs but yeah
mellow yoke
default UI too
round pendant
the issue with bw/dbm/mrt is that it would toggle the log off after encounters and it seemed to consider bosses as separate encounters
whereas loggerhead is just per instance type
but idk if that's an issue still nowadays
lusty grotto
its not
proper nova
How do you guys group up the mobs for a big 1st pull in halls on high keys? Rely on dps kicks?
lusty grotto
but i do remember it happening with MRT
sinful copper
How do you guys group up the mobs for a big 1st pull in halls on high keys? Rely...
Just 10000% always bring a dk. Grip in hound master, done
proper nova
On prot paladin we can just yeet shields at mfs
mellow yoke
How do you guys group up the mobs for a big 1st pull in halls on high keys? Rely...
well it's pretty much all grouped up except for Houndmaster
and u just need 1 kick for that
lusty grotto
i just dont pull the houndmaster and wait until it paths close
mellow yoke
but then bears die too slow
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
frosty mango
i just dont pull the houndmaster and wait until it paths close
this is what I do
proper nova
I might be pulling different 🤔 you guys only do houndmaster pack then left stone boi?
lusty grotto
garg goes inactive, run down
undone beacon
i just dont pull the houndmaster and wait until it paths close
this is the way
sinful copper
I might be pulling different 🤔 you guys only do houndmaster pack then left ston...
Yep
undone beacon
bears can walk with us to other shard they dont do anything
lusty grotto
plus its additional funnel
mellow yoke
idk why you wouldnt pull it instantly though, it just needs 1 range kick or grip
and ur fine
sinful copper
bears can walk with us to other shard they dont do anything
U just jump down and let them walk around?
undone beacon
U just jump down and let them walk around?
no i double back
lusty grotto
cause sometimes DKs are afking
sinful copper
Ew
undone beacon
shoulda said towards next shard ig
sinful copper
If u don't jump down, your route is sus
undone beacon
lusty grotto
its not a huge loss HoA is free after the nerfs
proper nova
What was that WA in SL or something that showed % needed for next area
Rm+ or something
lusty grotto
idk i just memorized it
round pendant
yeah
lusty grotto
79.51%
round pendant
hoa so free now
lusty grotto
thats it
frosty mango
round pendant
I'm still convinced dropping down after first left shard is grief tho
mellow yoke
yeah, bears usually dont pull anyway
frosty mango
you dont wanna go shard -> shard
mellow yoke
the gargoyle
frosty mango
bc healers need cds
round pendant
this is basically how my route is now
proper nova
Just rally ez profit
mellow yoke
i mean
lusty grotto
all you need to do really is just open MDT and select every pack thats left and then just subtract it to a 100
proper nova
Tell the healer go get a snack we rallying today
mellow yoke
if u go shard-> shard dps dont have CDs to kill shard quickly enough
so healer eventually cant heal it
mellow yoke
also
undone beacon
Damn guy in dorn with the "Champion of Ulduar" title havent seen that in a hot sec
lusty grotto
this one?
undone beacon
Oh I know I can but pugs are braindead 95% of the time and get themselves killed so I don't route it
proper nova
Fury??? Get em out of here
mellow yoke
Oh I know I can but pugs are braindead 95% of the time and get themselves killed...
i mean
you can just get
the 1 caster
on the right of first boss
then caster before 2nd boss again
and casters before 3rd boss
distant kestrel
Any tips on how to you survive the 1st pull after 1st boss of DAWN? seem to have difficulty in around +17 as prot warr dunno if theres a particular add (g23+g25)
undone beacon
this one?
when ulduar was current content i was literally in elementary school so thats my excuse on not having it
round pendant
yikes
undone beacon
stinky
round pendant
no one falls for this shit right
undone beacon
<@&257983573498265600>
fierce mulch
wtf
mellow yoke
no one falls for this shit right
until someone does
fierce mulch
why are there so many
mighty valley
i actually follow the instructions really fast before the mods delete them and i'm very rich now
undone beacon
mods trying to keep hardworking hustlers down this is oppression
fierce mulch
I will slay the peasant scam bots and banish them back into the hell they came from
lusty grotto
you had me at slay
upbeat plover
I will slay the peasant scam bots and banish them back into the hell they came f...
You're lost bro. This is the wrong channel
round pendant
Any tips on how to you survive the 1st pull after 1st boss of DAWN? seem to have...
idk it's a pretty normal pull, got a log?
mellow yoke
dont phished accounts cost sum like 2-3 cents though
fierce mulch
You're lost bro. This is the wrong channel
i was pinged in multiple breh
they hit every chat
at the same time
upbeat plover
That's what Mwahi is for
upbeat plover
Lmao
mellow yoke
Mister moderator, they scam bots hit the 2nd chat
round pendant
territorial modding 
distant kestrel
idk it's a pretty normal pull, got a log?
upbeat plover
Our influence shall grow 😈
round pendant
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v3DFbZgXh4fyR6mw?fight=last
dunno you barely got healed
for the last like 5 seconds of that pull
idk how to check how many stacks of shadowblades you had in logs tho
someone else can help lmao
frosty mango
i actually follow the instructions really fast before the mods delete them and i...
keep it up youll be able to buy a new house with those apple giftcards soon
lusty grotto
is NOT a nothingburger
round pendant
oh yeah that'll hurt
lusty grotto
back to SB management boot camp you go
lusty grotto
o
round pendant
healer could have still saved him prob
but do you even deserve to be saved at that point?
lusty grotto
yeah i dont know
i bet heals was thinking about it from the get go
every gcd with a thought "is this worth it, the guy cant keep SB up"
until he hesitated
round pendant
55% shield block uptime in that pull
idk how that even happens tbh
@distant kestrel Press shield block more and you win ggs
Oh you have 21k haste and are running ITF
Yeah get more haste or switch to HR
lusty grotto
yeah i would recommend HR
until you can manage it well, 21k is redline territory and if you need the help maintaining SB, just swap to HR in the meantime until you get used to it
round pendant
I'm honestly surprised you can even get to 17s like that
no offense to that guy
but just from a pure numbers pov
healers must be sweating
lusty grotto
yeah
round pendant
speaking of that pull tho
blizzard need to fix shit not showing up on slopes
or mw floor shit just not working if you're on a slope
things like that
thin minnow
What dungeons do you get huge stone form worth
plush tendon
its phys dam reduction
mellow yoke
its phys dam reduction
Ik
plush tendon
idk, I think the value of stoneform for tanks is relativley low this season
mighty valley
looking good
plush tendon
I play human
2% more stats from sources
and a get out of stun free card
helpful in some cases
like last boss Flood
if you get fucked on puddels
plush tendon
Nelf can pick up meld for skips
mellow yoke
Nelf can pick up meld for skips
We got a pot for that anyways
mighty valley
i play nightborne, i might as well not have any racials, but i'm attached to this character so what are you gonna do
plush tendon
We got a pot for that anyways
yea, but that means you can use dps pot instead
mellow yoke
yea, but that means you can use dps pot instead
I mean
You only got
A few skips this season
Much less than last
And then again pot is not that insane for tanks
plush tendon
I can think of 4 off the top of my head
Gambit, Floodgate, Priory, Eco
all have places where you can meld skip
mellow yoke
FG what
plush tendon
the last two dudes
mellow yoke
Ah true
plush tendon
its finicky, but you can meld skip those
plush tendon
yea, with pugs its a bit cringe
mellow yoke
And die
mellow yoke
I mean
Thats pretty much the entirety of the previous pull
Rest is just contractor and inspector
Which do nothing reallu
plush tendon
youd pull the other two casters after the previous two are dead
mellow yoke
Pug no like
plush tendon
not all together
plush tendon
and obviously the big dude with pull 11 is rough
mellow yoke
Ah
mighty valley
john madden ass pull
plush tendon
no one likes backtracking, but its either that or the two big dudes at the end
im not sure personally whats better
past oxide
just play more before jumping down no? So you don't have to do weird dance like that
mellow yoke
I mean its tricky but doable
mellow yoke
just play more before jumping down no? So you don't have to do weird dance like ...
Its not as simple
As that
mellow bridge
it really is tho
mellow yoke
The big guys are 5 percent
plush tendon
could also play that 5 pack in pull 13
mellow yoke
You cant just pull 5% like that
mellow yoke
could also play that 5 pack in pull 13
I play dogs in p1
plush tendon
I do as well
mellow yoke
And take more bombs
plush tendon
we are still playing the last two at the end
distant kestrel
<@338967877543788544> Press shield block more and you win ggs
just did a streets and tried pressing a bit more and got from 71% to 82% uptime on SB
mellow yoke
Can i see ur whole route
undone beacon
thats what we calll improvement
undone beacon
could also play that 5 pack in pull 13
this disturbs me
plush tendon
this is what I pull (plus the 2 at the end)
undone beacon
Like honestly with good CC thats a free pack but
lusty grotto
just did a streets and tried pressing a bit more and got from 71% to 82% uptime ...
you need more, talent Heavy Rep instead of Into The Fray
distant kestrel
but deffo need more haste or try but i think i panicked on that pull and forgot to use my brain, but i'll try HR fo sho
plush tendon
if you didnt want those two at the end, youd need to find 4.9%
lusty grotto
youre at the same exact haste rating required for ITF
mellow yoke
Yeah i do practically the same
mellow bridge
very easy to hit enough count without doing any cringe pulls at the end if you got a DK or a few knocks for pull 6
that pull does nothing
past oxide
Its not as simple
this worked fine on 17, 18 wiped to momma twice now but don't see an issue for the remaining pulls
plush tendon
^ this looks good
mellow yoke
P6 kinda cringe in pugs
plush tendon
Demolitions not bad?
mellow bridge
if your dk cant grip 2 mobs
mellow yoke
So i avoid doing it
distant kestrel
i got 7.5k haste neck but with mastery, or maybe go haste flask? + maybe haste fiber insetad of vers, got 21k vers (went more vers cos its better for fury)
past oxide
yea patrol needs to be at the very edge so you can grip them close-ish
mellow bridge
if pat is on the right side it's 2 grips
if pat is on the left side it's a bit more
round pendant
just did a streets and tried pressing a bit more and got from 71% to 82% uptime ...
You should still go HR until you're at 24k+ haste
but that's gooder
past oxide
if patrol is on the left just curse blizzard and wait
plush tendon
this worked fine on 17, 18 wiped to momma twice now but don't see an issue for t...
how do you guys play Big Momma
we tried to copy Kira's group where they just stack on the wall, but the ground affect from the drones was hitting us
when we practiced on 0
do you just stack on wall, get em group, and then move out?
past oxide
gotta be hugging the correct spot if you wanna stack them
plush tendon
we can stack them fine
its just, do we stay there or move?
I timestamped it; this is what we tried to do
past oxide
if you manage to stack them milk it as much as you can but I've seen it break for them on stream if a range gets sonic boom and gets targeted when they have to move out
plush tendon
we get them stacked on wall, but we are still getting hit by the lighting when the drones do their move thing
past oxide
then its not correctly stacked
if they spawn correctly it should work as long as they don't target a player that has to move out for sonic boom
we sent a try for the stacking yesterday but it was off and the very first charge hit us
🙂
plush tendon
yea, this thing
is there a trick?
we go as far into the indent made by the pillar+wall as possible
lusty grotto
they need to spawn there is the trick
past oxide
it should be just that everyone needs to be hugging the spot when the cast ends so the drones drop on a bugged spot and charge above you
lusty grotto
if they spawn out, you cant "move in", it doesnt work
plush tendon
if they spawn out, you cant "move in", it doesnt work
thats where we start
Im just trying to figure out how to make it consistent enough to work
past oxide
I wish blizz just nerfed drone hp and fixed the bugged spots
but seems they have checked out for the season
plush tendon
some floodgate tuning would be nice
past oxide
yea that is what I meant
lusty grotto
🤝
past oxide
-20% on drones and the stacking is irrelevant since you beat the barrier without keeping them stacked
plush tendon
I dont mind doing the fight as intended; but if we can pull this off
frosty mango
If you need to abuse bugs regularly to time the key then the key is not tuned properly or you are using it as a crutch
plush tendon
makes it much easier+faster
frosty mango
Well yeah of course it’s easier and faster you’re abusing a bug that leads to unintended results lol
round pendant
yeah but abusing snapping and "bugs" is a lot of fun
frosty mango
That’s like saying “I don’t mind driving to the store but if all my groceries just magically showed up in my fridge when I stand in this spot that’s much faster”
lusty grotto
it is fun, but if its a hard requirement its just bad design, the biggest problem is that we're also in the realm of high keys so this might not be a priority at all
plush tendon
well a 17 floodgate is a pretty hard key to time right now
lusty grotto
and rightfully so
past oxide
I don't mind "snapping" trash to streets music boss since they could just walk there anyways but dinosaur snap on top of cart is dumb
there are levels to it
lusty grotto
speaking of which
did we really need these many fucking jumping, charging, blinking mobs this season?
lusty grotto
a lot of these problems are specifically because of it
plush tendon
but I charge them, but they teleport to my original position
and its annoying as fuck
cause now they are behind me
round pendant
did we really need these many fucking jumping, charging, blinking mobs this seas...
yes
vital vale
hey guys i wanna quickly make a WA for myself that tracks external DRs from all healers on me, can you quickly help me remember all of them? I remember ironbark, pain suppression, and life cocoon, but what else am i forgetting
fathom oasis
but I charge them, but they teleport to my original position
it's also stupid because, shouldn't charge root them for a second?
lusty grotto
hey guys i wanna quickly make a WA for myself that tracks external DRs from all ...
theres already one made
well, several
vital vale
im sure there are hundreds
but i make almost all my WAs myself
just was curious about a list of all the healer cds since i dont play most healers
lusty grotto
undone beacon
i mean, theres a list
lusty grotto
okay so why would you want us to list all of those
when there's WAs that already do it
i personally dont use it cause paid UI packs usually track them
but thats whats been doing the rounds for my guild
round pendant
you pay for ui packs?
round pendant
oh yeah that doesn't count
lusty grotto
sure i guess
lusty grotto
thats fine
i think my point was
that if there's WAs already made
even if he doesnt want to use them
he can just strip the cds from them
and then proceed to get fucking annoyed at why the stupid rdruid i just ripping barkskin for no reason
tank full hp? his health barely moves? FUCK IT HERES A BARKSKIN
round pendant
prefer that over them not using it
bleak scaffold
Guys, side question, I should do my first Saladar/Dimensius Heroic tonight (yeah or neah .. will see :D) I did it few times in normal, my co tank was an alt and we pretty much always messed up the conquer/vanquish swap, in normal no big deal ... but in heroic it's starting to hitch a bit I assume. Is there a way to anticipate what he is casting next ? As we need to taunt before he starts casting, any tips ? :x
lusty grotto
you just taunt
every hit
there's no science
there's no hit you dont taunt, period
lusty grotto
the combinations are designed so that the tanks do not get the same one at all if taunted every hit/cast
undone beacon
I wanted to parse chimp on my bear for our heroic reclear so I just didn’t taunt nexus, can recommend big numbie
(This is bad advice)
bleak scaffold
Ok we just alternate each time ok
lusty grotto
yes
bleak scaffold
I thought it could be tricky ..
lusty grotto
its not
bleak scaffold
I see that lol
saladbar except for the swap seemed scary, dimensius and the space management IS scary though ...
lusty grotto
space management?
you mean p1?
hc dimmy is the most boring part of the fight for tanks ever
you can afk doing it
bleak scaffold
P2 also on the plateform with the attacks leaving marks on the ground
lusty grotto
there's literally nothing going on for you as a tank
undone beacon
Yeah but have you considered you can troll by running autos into the group
thats content
lusty grotto
true
solid sun
Idk on N Dimmy you gotta like
Move
And stuff
I felt like I was doing things
More than the rock idiot
And that also required me to move
undone beacon
dimmy is you stand there and get swung on, then buster, then stand to the side and swing on him. Fly to platforms and position an add twice. Go into last phase and stand there and get swung on
Yell at dps who get too close
Sometimes in P1 I stand in the puddles to proc my brand, thats gameplay
solid sun
I soaked the circle thing
solid sun
And I helped with the people who fly into the air
undone beacon
I did that once but then i ripped threat off the other tank and killed my whole side
So now i sit there towards mid and just hit boss
solid sun
And on the last phase you go into the little black holes for the hits
And doesn’t H have the pull thing so you gotta stand in the right spot
Or is that M only
bleak scaffold
yes ! that i have noted run towars the middle
In heroic there is the pull to the tank yes
solid sun
The issue is that this discord is full of people with PhD’s in Tankonomics
So anything short of solving a quadratic equation during a boss fight is “literally no mechanics”
undone beacon
In heroic the P3 buster pulls everyone like 15 or 20yds towards tanks, people just need to not be positioned to where they'd be pulled into boss
We dont change anything about p3 in our raid other than saying "dont get sucked lol" as a callout and nobody dies
solid sun
Idk duuuuude
I can’t even get 4 people to not walk spiders into AK first boss
How they gonna handle the suck
undone beacon
I know guides talk about like, having everyone stack to the side of the tank or smthn but that is too much coordination for our little zugglets
bleak scaffold
but I like to get su, no nevermind :x
undone beacon
Honestly Dimmy isn't super mechanically complex at the end of the day imo. Salhadaar has more complicated mechanics at least on heroic
bleak scaffold
They know, I just missed the raids nights were they killed it so it's new for me but not for the raid
undone beacon
We aint at mythic salhaadar yet but
bleak scaffold
i'm not worried about the suck 😄
undone beacon
when we wipe its cuz people fucking dismount while flying in p2
half the raid hit by a rock
i dont get it
bleak scaffold
like there is more rocks than in normal ? :x
Well, i'll see thank you for the notes and comments 🙂 time for diner !
undone beacon
I did have this experience last night
"Fixed an issue where Druids could not use Flight Form during the flying portion of the Dimensius encounter."
dusky canopy
solid sun
solid sun
I made a gradient for my background in discord. Blue fades into green
fathom oasis
lusty grotto
upbeat plover
sharp merlin
Why is this seasons FG much harder than last?
Or am I remembering something different?
lusty grotto
FG was tougher last season
dry skiff
took me a minute to realize what i was getting myself into again
sharp merlin
FG was tougher last season
I timed a 14 FG week 2, now I’m struggling to time it on 13, what is going on?
sharp merlin
Week 2
lusty grotto
and what point in the season are we at now
sharp merlin
I dunno, are we even mid point?
I timed it with players who had less gear
Maybe all the good players have packed up
mighty valley
what's killing you? i mean. it doesn't have bubbles this season
toxic gyro
Pugs that push 12-14s and this point are awful
lusty grotto
the only notable change has been the tank buster nerf and the removal of bubbles
sharp merlin
Nothing is killing me
dry skiff
Maybe all the good players have packed up
that's true. i was struggling in 16, signed up for a boost run and blasted the shit out of that dungeon
sharp merlin
I’m not struggling at all, my healthbar barely moves, I think I’m just watching slow dps in slow motion ahahah
dry skiff
as in you boosted?
have been for years now, changing spec every few months holds me down a bit
point is, most good players already timed that key and have no reason to sign up for you
lusty grotto
ok i just thought you meant you were being boosted
dry skiff
no i moved houses this season, left my team and somehow PC started giving me 9 fps for 2 weeks. i'm recovering
but im behind
dry skiff
also havent been with a girl in 9 months
sharp merlin
I’m in the same boat, took holiday for almost a month and now barely timing keys I’ve already done lol
sharp merlin
also havent been with a girl in 9 months
Jesus 😂
solid sun
Floodgate has a crazy tight timer
toxic gyro
Just pull bigger 
lusty grotto
ngl but i had to double take to check if i was in another discord for a second
solid sun
Hulk gif
lusty grotto
just post it you coward
solid sun
But that’s your thing
lusty grotto
undone beacon
dry skiff
i dont remember a dungeon having so many hard pulls back to back like FG before
dry skiff
what about bubbles
lusty grotto
oh i thought you were the 14 guy 🤷♂️
fathom oasis
dry skiff
every FG pack has like 19 adds this is stupid man
lusty grotto
were you playing prot warrior last season? arent you a fotm reroller?
dry skiff
no prot is fresh this season
lusty grotto
bingo
fathom oasis
we agree that FG bubbles-less is miles better than how it was before, right?
lusty grotto
sure
the point is
in anything under a 16
people had no reason to skip bubbles
so they need to pull more
dry skiff
at this point in FG i have to tell someone else to pull G10 for me, also need a dk for G17, too many adds in 1 pack it's too much, how come halls got less crowded but FG stays the same -.-
lusty grotto
too many adds isnt the problem
your health is dipping due to black blood wounds
which for vdh
is basically nothing
dry skiff
without someoen to help you, this is the shit you have to deal with
2nd pull is legit harder than 1st
lusty grotto
nothing there has changed from last season
thats just pure recency bias
we did that pull as colossus so it was even worse
because colossus gathers are ass
solid sun
What key level are you doing
dry skiff
17
solid sun
I’m not sold on it
bold shard
Still unsure what I’m playing
a demun hunter
lusty grotto
im thinking either shaman or monk
solid sun
What does FDK do as far as a damage profile goes that ret doesn’t do
lusty grotto
much better ST
dry skiff
What does FDK do as far as a damage profile goes that ret doesn’t do
grip the wrong add and die to it
lusty grotto
they can do both AOE and ST well enough
ret can aoe, but st... ehhhh
similar to boomies
solid sun
Gotcha
undone beacon
I’m thinking spriesting it up
frosty mango
What does FDK do as far as a damage profile goes that ret doesn’t do
Live, for one. It’s much easier to keep a dk alive than a ret
Also ams and grip are very high value utility in a key
From damage profile perspective the dks ability to not really spend globals on staying alive has a pretty big impact on their damage later in higher keys - a lot of the time when classes lose aoe damage it’s because they are always having to spend globals to stay alive and talent to account for that
Dk doesn’t really have that problem as much as like….ret (or enhance rip lol)
mighty valley
What does FDK do as far as a damage profile goes that ret doesn’t do
swag
ret paladin is the least cool spec in the game
solid sun
Very interesting
solid sun
Great. How about you
plush tendon
Live, for one. It’s much easier to keep a dk alive than a ret
Also ams and gri...
thats a understatement
FDK defensives are broken as heck
same with Unholy