protection

[blazing shuttle]

Gotta try it.

I mean.

Ham & pineapple.

[solid sun]

Ham is solid

My favorite thing about smoked ham is that after the initial meal you can use it for breakfast the next day

And it goes super well

[lusty grotto]

[blazing shuttle]

Fuck sake I'm hungry now

[solid sun]

We are big food talkers and eaters here in pwar country.

We make me hungry all the time

[lusty grotto]

food = good

[blazing shuttle]

I love it

Honestly, I'll try it when I can.

Gotta love a good sweet & sour combo.

[frosty mango]

We have pit meat in the mid Atlantic it’s a pretty regional thing but ham w bbq is pretty baller

It has to be like the vinegar tangy type tho not the sugary kind

[undone beacon]

Something something kosher :(

[dusty echo]

What happens if you run out of range of the miniboss on first pull of ara kara? I see yoda running out of range to roar all the crawlers he walked past in the first part of the key so that no one dies to melee, I just bricked a 17 cause of melees from the crawlers kind of annoying

[solid sun]

Why? Sugary stuff goes with ham for sure. Like a honey glazed ham

[undone beacon]

I put the ham in the cotton candy machine and make cotton hamdy

[lusty grotto]

they melee but their range is pretty big, they arent bosses so they wont really cast something special when you move out as long as you're in agro

afaik they also wont melee others in that case

but its easy to see, just hop on a follower dungeon or something

[round pendant]

I love forgetting my inky black for eco dome and then getting blasted by impossible to see lines

[frosty mango]

Yea but you have the pineapple

[warm plinth]

I couldn't test it. Is there like a fixed comp for follower dungeons or something? I've gone in twice and got the same comp both times, all ranged besides me on war

[lusty grotto]

they do change targets

so will whack whoever is closest with a melee

even if youre top in threat

just gotta be in range

[warm plinth]

Right that's what I'm saying; I can't test if it'll hit someone else because the rest are ranged and don't go into melee

[nocturne spindle]

They don't melee others

Or there is at least a large grace period

[lusty grotto]

well i just saw it facing the hunter pet

[warm plinth]

So it did turn and hit the pet?

[nocturne spindle]

I've walked out charged kicked the patrol

[lusty grotto]

yeah that was my understanding too

[nocturne spindle]

If they do you have to be out of range a long ass time

[warm plinth]

They don't melee very often because they're casting a lot

[lusty grotto]

yup

but i just saw it face a hunter pet and figured that maybe it would melee it

[steady pond]

Yo guys im trying to track Battle scared veteran, but i cant figure out how to make a WA for that could someone share one?

[lusty grotto]

386397 for the buff

456447 for the debuff aka on cd

those are the aura ids

[steady pond]

oh

got it

ty

[lusty grotto]

aka https://www.wowhead.com/spell=386397/battle-scarred-veteran
and
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=456447/battle-scarred-veteran

so the first one is when it procs

the second one is when its on cd

thats it

[nocturne spindle]

Just move your debuff bar near the middle of your screen and hide the unimportant ones

🙂

[acoustic notch]

Guys, why am I losing aggro against my other tank which IS a Blood DK?

[nocturne spindle]

Besides them taunting

The only other reason is your damage is low

[acoustic notch]

Whenever we come from between phases and I cast taunt and my rotation, he ends up taking it from me without casting taunt

[nocturne spindle]

Gotta post logs if you want anything else

[acoustic notch]

We have the same damage, sometimes he is higher and sometimes I am higher.

https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n3RDa1NJQcYXLqyP

[fathom oasis]

do you have any fight in mind, sir?

that's an entire log

[bold shard]

maybe i'm wrong but, from what I can discern, the most important players on a team, are the dps or the tank, tanks can do good dps in addition to tanking, so they might well be the most important member on the team?

this is important to me

because i just realized, this is going to sound stupid BUT i just realized that, as a healer, i can do my job absolutely perfect

and if the dps doesn't do its job my healer job does not matter, we will all fail anyways

[fathom oasis]

in raid tank is less important, for the most part, in m+ they carry a huge weight however

[bold shard]

yeh, in raid it seems like DPS are the most important, they can carry the entire thing if they are on point enough with dps

but in M+, yeah, tanks seem like Jesus

[fathom oasis]

imo in raid difficulty goes: heal > dps > tank, and in m+ it goes tank > heal > dps

[bold shard]

i don't care about difficulty so much as contribution to the group

I like feeling like I carried, and healing is more enabling those that do the carrying, from what I can tell

[fathom oasis]

huh

[bold shard]

if I heal everyone perfectly, and they fail the encounter, i can't stop healing to sub in dps for them

[fathom oasis]

likewise if dps play perfectly but healing is bad, or heals die from mechs, it's for naught

all roles are important

[bold shard]

thats true

[fathom oasis]

heals can carry a bit sometimes in the sense that they can heal through failed mechanics

but i don't think that's the right mentality

could also argue that heals carry by healing more efficiently and allowing the raid to cut a heal for another dps

at any rate, it's a silly debate

[frosty mango]

"no"

"yes"

🤌

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[shrewd grove]

Yikes lol

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

[lusty grotto]

youre not pressing execute

but also like Nephtus said, which fight are you refering to

also pull with taunt my dude

if you mean at 1:04 in fractillus, this is a threat rip

[warm plinth]

You're a threat rip

Fuckin gottem

[lusty grotto]

also multiple in the openers

youre just not pressing the right buttons

youre casting revenge WAY TOO MUCH

youre thane

and its an ST fight

@acoustic notch

[solid sun]

Is FDK a funnel spec

And also is BM a funnel spec

[warm plinth]

BM has funnel, but I wouldn't call it a funnel spec

You get shorter CD on kill command via multi-dotting

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say they are funnel specs

like ghash said

ele + bm have some funnel

havoc, arcane, shadow have the strongest one

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

LOL

tbf i was

literally looking at my 2nd monitor

and the barrel clipped me as fury

[warm plinth]

XD

[solid sun]

Valiantly slain

Does that mean Nimchip was being valiant and was slain

or does it mean that the barrel was valiant and slayed you so hard

[lusty grotto]

all i remember is thinking "wtf this shit one shots dps"

[mighty valley]

pretty much whenever i do anything as solo dps i'm like "yall live like this?"

[undone beacon]

Using this as my new “Yo”

[rose sedge]

I've been DPSing a lot as warrior and thinking of checking out Prot for fun for M+ dungeons, with full tier set and good gear, is Thane and Colossus pretty close? in survivability and damage?

[tight mural]

Okay so there's a really rare situation that I sometimes find myself in. Violent outburst procs so I have am empowered SS or TC, but SS is on CD for the next 3-4 secs. The specific situation only happens when I don't have enougj rage for revenge to fish for SS reset (better rage management is the obvious solution.)

do I just send the empowered clap since SS is on CD and can't hit revenge?

[lusty grotto]

thane > colossus with 4pc

by a lot

on dps

on surv, it doesnt matter, either is fine

[rose sedge]

oop, thanks boss, <3

[lusty grotto]

sure

but you only outburst SS in PURE ST

as in only a single target

anything more than 2 you TB

[tight mural]

Oh I don't think I knew that

Well that makes it easier

[lone current]

Anyone know if the ring craft discount thing still works? or has that been patched

[lusty grotto]

no

it doesnt work

was fixed last season

[lone current]

rippers ⚰️

[pseudo swan]

!sim

how do we sim?

as prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

1 patchwerk 3 mins or 5 mins is fine

5 target patchwerk 1.5 min for aoe burst

[pseudo swan]

got it and just pick best of both worlds?

[lusty grotto]

for what

[pseudo swan]

last question - i see a lot of the top rpot warriors running a lot of haste vers

i'm trying to sim for m+

[lusty grotto]

so sim 5 target

[pseudo swan]

is the haste vers just for higher keys?

[lusty grotto]

1.5 mins

nah

its not

[pseudo swan]

got it

[lusty grotto]

are you doing 20s?

[pseudo swan]

nope

[lusty grotto]

then ilvl > haste > crit > vers > mastery

[pseudo swan]

tyty

[lusty grotto]

or whatever sims best

[pseudo swan]

appreciate it nimchip

[plush tendon]

we so proud of the bois

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[plush tendon]

still cant time 17 Dawn to save our lives though

[lusty grotto]

im guessing youre killing trash while rash is flying right?

or whats killing you

[plush tendon]

of course

we just had some unfort stuff happen

[lusty grotto]

ah

well yeah its dawnbreaker

[plush tendon]

DPS dying during DPS cds

such a time loss

hard to recover

[lusty grotto]

if there's one dungeon where random shit happens out of nowhere...

dawn is it this season

[plush tendon]

we also have so many upgrades to get on the mage and hunter

we cooked up this route

was pretty good

[lusty grotto]

im doing that exact same one except i pull g7 too

but pot shots can fuck people up

also i pull g13 too on pull 2

but honestly

i think yours is safer

might just tweak mine to not pull so many on the first two pulls

[sharp merlin]

I’m pulling like a mad man on FG, but should overalls on a +15 be higher than 7m, 7m and 6m (Boomie, Dh and Mage) in that order?

[lusty grotto]

depends

they should def be at 8m

but... it depends on how youre pulling

i.e. to take advantage of funnel etc

[sharp merlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nfxrL8wgpR2KcWyC?fight=last&type=damage-done

the last run we did last night as a group

I did everything to ensure we had funnel, but still.. I felt like packs were dying super slowly, and the drones on big momma were still up when the shield came up

[pseudo swan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p9MpQh3LVDtcv9NrrsfxWm

is this right?

i should replace tank trinket with this

vessel of acceleration?

[lusty grotto]

what is the question

vessel is strong

and brand will sim lower cause its 1:30

but in reality brand will be better

at 1 min 30s brand doesnt fully stack

in keys it will be fully stacked

so in that specific case, brand should be used over vessel

you dont even have to sim it

brand needs 4 mins to ramp up to 15 stacks

the rest is accurate

[pseudo swan]

ahhh ok

thank you nim

[lusty grotto]

and the reason youre getting suggested high crit gems instead of deadly emeralds

is cause youre crafting with versa

and already have way too much of it

sims will favor balanced stats

[pseudo swan]

i see yeah i was trying to look at crit vers, crit haste, vers crit and haste vers

i see i see

[lusty grotto]

why are you crafting ring

over bracers

or belt

with dawn/dusk

[pseudo swan]

i was simming belt, neck and ring

though i think for belt in the sims i forgot to put that dawn / dusk thing on it

so i need to re-run

[lusty grotto]

i dont see bracers here

[pseudo swan]

i didn't put bracers since i have 704 bracers currently

[lusty grotto]

so?

[pseudo swan]

belt was at 701

oh

was told to prioritize lower item level

[lusty grotto]

shield > weapon > bracers > belt > accessories with ilvl

[pseudo swan]

ah

[lusty grotto]

not with embelishments you dont

[pseudo swan]

i see!

[lusty grotto]

and also the belt you simmed has 0 embelishments

the crafted one

[pseudo swan]

yeah i noticed

[lusty grotto]

so no wonder it goes down

[pseudo swan]

thats why i have to re-run it

[lusty grotto]

ok gotcha

[lusty grotto]

why is your DH felscarred?

he has no funnel as FS

aldrachi is the funnel spec

is he your friend or a pug?

[plush tendon]

Fel Scarred is much easier then AR

but AR is the reason why Havoc is good

[lusty grotto]

AR isnt hard at all

[sharp merlin]

He’s in our team

Not a pug

[lusty grotto]

prio soul generators, glaive into shear into blade dance thats it

[plush tendon]

there are some optimization things

[bold shard]

a Demon Hunter is their scars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[plush tendon]

but the funnel from AR Havoc is great

[bold shard]

we should play prot warriors instead 😄

that is my take

[lusty grotto]

if Pom is pulling with funnel in mind

hes only doing it for the mage

which is

fucked up considering the dungeon

cause that dungeon is AR heaven

[plush tendon]

yea, Floodgate is prio damage heaven

dont even need to think about it tbh

[sharp merlin]

I'm not looking at what the DH is playing

and I do have funnel in mind

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont think you should

not with an FS DH

[plush tendon]

15 Flood is a hard key to time

for sure the hardest dungeon this season

[sharp merlin]

but thing is, I did it last season fine

[plush tendon]

you have to pull aggressive

[lusty grotto]

last season is not this season

[sharp merlin]

and I pull like a madman

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[sharp merlin]

yeah, it's easier this season lol

nothing hurts me really

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter when your team's damage profile is whack

[bold shard]

floodgate is gnarly, there's a bunch of buzzsaws that pop out of the ground and shred you

[plush tendon]

whats your route

[sharp merlin]

ill replicate it, the boomie wanted me to follow his..

[lusty grotto]

your dps just isnt pulling their weight

[bold shard]

yay boomkin being a weird alternative to mages

[lusty grotto]

wrong hero talents

etc

[plush tendon]

this is how I pull flood

[pseudo swan]

@lusty grotto ok re-ran it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sTUP3aE5TutjoBZ4cVc7Cs

[sharp merlin]

https://keystone.guru/Geft2PH like that

[plush tendon]

can you take a screenshot

[sharp merlin]

try again

[lusty grotto]

belt craft is within margin of error

[sharp merlin]

made it public

[lusty grotto]

and bracers are -10k

which is basically nothing

i wouldnt cover ring

at all

[pseudo swan]

ok so craft belt here sounds like

[lusty grotto]

you want the embelishments, and those two are our slots

i would craft bracers like i mentioned

[pseudo swan]

oh

got it

[sharp merlin]

https://keystone.guru/Geft2PH

[pseudo swan]

i put the toehr embellishment on the shield

thats ok right?

[lusty grotto]

sure, but eventually youll get a myth shield

and youll replace

[pseudo swan]

ahh ok

[lusty grotto]

thats why belt is our 2nd slot

[pseudo swan]

i see that makes sense now

[lusty grotto]

that route is fine

your team's dps is not

[plush tendon]

you have a extra pull compared to mine, but overall that should be fine for a 15

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[plush tendon]

yea, I agree with Nim

team just needs to do more damage

[lusty grotto]

0 clue why that DH is playing FS

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

i dont give a shit about boomies so i cant say anything about them

[sharp merlin]

only dh I played with in the past was a purple health tank

[lusty grotto]

and the arcane mage... idk

[sharp merlin]

so this is new

[plush tendon]

arcane chooses a target, and that target goes bye

[sharp merlin]

I dunno, imo an Arcane shouldn't be getting gapped by a mill tho

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-17500258755908763204

the arcane and havoc are prio/funnel dps

the boomkin should basically carry the overall

[lusty grotto]

he is

[plush tendon]

for your talents, why you playing massacre?

of the execute talents, thats prob the least useful

[sharp merlin]

I am? let me load up wow

[plush tendon]

im just looking at the log

[sharp merlin]

Oh

I am too

Where should I put it?

[plush tendon]

I just play bloodsurge

but you are wasteing rage

[lusty grotto]

in 15? i just played cleave and RRR

[plush tendon]

^ can do that too

[lusty grotto]

and masacre was the swap for BSV

[sharp merlin]

but I haven't played in a month, so im playingit safe

Im behind on gear

So

take off Mass, put RRR and Heavy handed?

but I need FTTF

[lusty grotto]

why

[sharp merlin]

...b...b...big momma

alright, I'll take it off

[lusty grotto]

big momma was nerfed dude

just wall the thing

[plush tendon]

so, looking at my log of a 16 Flood I did two weeks ago (I was 713)

and yours

[lusty grotto]

s2 momma hit a lot harder

[plush tendon]

you have like 200 less SS casts

[sharp merlin]

that log

[plush tendon]

100 less Thunderblasts

[sharp merlin]

we only got to Swamp

we never finished it

[plush tendon]

[sharp merlin]

the team wanted to see if I could handle swampface

[plush tendon]

your casts per minute are still low

you are at 13 SS per minute

im at 16.5

[sharp merlin]

cause the boomie was tanking on guardian whilst I was away and thought I was gonna get nuked

[plush tendon]

9.5 thunderblast to my 11

[lusty grotto]

this are the numbers of what timed it for me

for that specific dungeon

the 7.5 was

[lusty grotto]

and i shit you not

cause i just checked

ANOTHER FUCKING DH THAT WAS FS

[plush tendon]

yea, DPS need more damage, but there is room for you to gain damage

[sharp merlin]

yup

[plush tendon]

from a personal gameplay perspective

[sharp merlin]

alright, I'll keep an eye on SS more

[plush tendon]

SS on CD

always

[sharp merlin]

I think I might be hitting revenge too much

[bold shard]

whoa, the shadow priest is outdamaging the mage

thats gnarly

[sharp merlin]

trying to snipe ss

[plush tendon]

shadow is really good

but, he swapped to mage

so we can just play DK, Hunter, Mage

like the meta slaves we are

(also, shadow is somewhat miserable in keys. Definition of a passanger princess)

[bold shard]

personally I'm all about Warlocks

Destruction is good dps plus you got the soulstone

which in M+ or raid, doesn't really matter but I like it anyways

[plush tendon]

BM hunter is just dumb right now

[bold shard]

thats what I have heard but in the last week or so it's fallen back, apparently?

[plush tendon]

no clue

not sure why it wouldve fallen out of favor

nothings changed

[bold shard]

yeah, there's been no nerfs to my knowledge

should have the same dps

[plush tendon]

and BM black arrow is also good prio damage

our FDK does overall, and the mage+hunter smack whatever needs to die

[lusty grotto]

idk why you say its fallen out of favor

based on what?

hearsay?

[plush tendon]

yes

[lusty grotto]

smh

[plush tendon]

[mellow yoke]

Hunters are pumping huge

Idk who say they have fallen out

[bold shard]

nah, uh, wowhead has this manaforge omega dps chart it does weekly

well, I dunno

that is basically hearsay

its just a chart from wowhead

hardly gospel, so, yeah, I guess you're right, lol

anyways here is a dwarf

[echo egret]

Several mobs in Dawnbreaker can't be stunned, despite what MDT says. Is it worth reporting it ?

[shut vigil]

is a lfr brand worth it over a 701 scarab or 707 tome of light?

I've been unlucky with heroic and normal

[stuck basin]

how comes that you dont see netherprism played in keys from archon stats? i heard its very good trinket and its top listed in wowhead ?

[digital salmon]

704 delve trinket sims a touch higher than brand for me on 5min single target

[plush tendon]

Archon only tells you what people are currently playing

[stuck basin]

y i know but im surprised to not find it at all in the list

[plush tendon]

they may not have netherprisim

or maybe they dont want to deal with the hassle

[blazing shuttle]

My fellow, could I have some thoughts on that?

For a 15+

[sharp merlin]

Pull 6.. someone always dies 😂

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah, with the rockets.

SOMEHOW.

[stuck basin]

the start looks a bit crazy and the end looks very slow

[blazing shuttle]

Oh wait

let me change smth

4 Electricians feels very baller but

I guess with the correct CCs it could be doable

But at hte same time

With pugs

It sounds like suicide

[stuck basin]

y thats suicide

[blazing shuttle]

Unless I go

triple jumpstarter

What would you recommend?

[stuck basin]

thats mine atm - i skip the last 2 with the new night elf potion thing

umbralessentia

[blazing shuttle]

Mmmh

How do you do said skip?

[stuck basin]

pul the 2 mobs to the left (use some deff) team runs by to the right - i leap to them and use the potion

they do the ground circle stuff and some aoe dmg but are not in fight with the rest - it works pretty consistent

[bold slate]

i dont even know how to start doing mythics tbh

i got lvl 80 Prot war and is a lot of fun to tank with

whats minimum iLevel for mythic?

[stuck basin]

you can get 670 ish pretty fast with open world stuff some crafting and the delve belt - i dont see a exact minimum to get in m0 or low keys but it can get a bit painful for aggro if you try it in green lvl gear^^

[blazing shuttle]

What's the potion's name, please

[stuck basin]

umbralessentia

[blazing shuttle]

Got them, thanks.

[stuck basin]

r2 is enough -you dont need tio stay invis for a minute ever^^

[blazing shuttle]

Took into account some of your things and what Keystone guru said to do

And I got the pots

CheERS

[pulsar epoch]

guys what should i craft? my wrist and belt already myth

[stuck basin]

ring or neck i guess

[lofty glen]

Ring. Your neck is better than the ring

[sharp merlin]

We timed a 14 dawn, but apparently I'm the problem
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GbDkPA6fFcg72H4w?fight=4&type=summary

I took a pretty normal route too

my healing key % is apparently atrocious

but I don't think Prot requires healing..?

I dunno, I'm being told far too many things by backseat dps tbh

[obtuse marsh]

can you share route ?

[bold shard]

man, I feel bad for healers, I know, because I have been maining a resto healer for a bit, now

all that work, probably the hardest job in teh game, and for what? for the lowest impact-you become a super pro dps or tank, you can practically carry any dungeon, including raids, I watched what good DPS did to Dimensius, it was ten times more valuable than any healer in our raid

become a super pro healer and will Dimensius, or even M+, become easier? not really, no, because that's mostly dependent on the tank and dps

[sharp merlin]

It was scuffed a bit, but I’ll try and piece it together. But I’m being blamed for things like my healing is apparently low % on logs etc, but I’ve never though prot war needs to worry about that

[bold shard]

nah, that's the healers job, and they have one job

the tank or dps should never sacrifice DPS because teh healer isn't doing their job, its the one thing they can really contribute is to use their abilities so the tank and dps doesn't have to, LOL

[sharp merlin]

No I just got criticised for having low healing parses and now they’re putting it in my head I’m not pressing IP enough lmao

Just backseat gamers tbh

[bold shard]

yar!!

[jagged pier]

I mean your wasting a tone of rage which could all go into IP,

[sharp merlin]

I am? Oof, good to know

[jagged pier]

Your build is also inbetween the push build and execute build, choose one and ru n with it

Atm you in the middle of both so dont get full value of ither

And lastly for dawnbreaker at least you SR casts are low imo

30ish is low as it so short a cd and its a great dr for magic which most of the dungeon is

[sharp merlin]

Yup

I’m working on that 😄

Good to know - I’ll stick with just the push build

[jagged pier]

Can alsp press impending victory way more its giga short what 25% heal

[sharp merlin]

Yessir!

[idle mesa]

Boys should we start sending our glided crest on hero gear as uncapped crest coming in 3 weeks or still smart to save for mythic only pieces?

[frosty mango]

Am I missing health? Yes - press iv
Now you have a 100 healing parse

But typically if you aren’t dying then don’t worry about your heal %, if you are dying examine your blocked hit % and cooldown usage

I don’t think I’ve ever actually even looked at my heal parse

[frosty mango]

Only you can really answer this question - once crests are uncapped then you will far outpace acquisition of gear and if you’re not regularly getting mythic gear now then it’s a good play to send on major pieces if they are the right stats (chest/legs, trinkets)

Holding crests is a sunk cost fallacy - it’s only beneficial if you have a path laid out and you know you will get the gear to spend it on……otherwise you’re just hamstringing yourself

[bold shard]

also don't forget to use healing potions!

[fathom oasis]

Where do you tank 2? Downstairs?

[pure willow]

so i ve been playing prot war for like, 5 years so this prolly is a testiment to how bad i am but why does it feel so like, i need to be exact to the second with shield block and shield charge to have 100% uptime on shield block? waht am i doin wrong

[fathom oasis]

Do you BL 7? I kinda like bringing even more stuff into Momma and going crazy

[fathom oasis]

How much haste rating are you running

[pure willow]

30~

[fathom oasis]

Haste rating, not %

[pure willow]

32%~ with into the fray

like the number?

[fathom oasis]

Yes

[pure willow]

12,626

[fathom oasis]

You cannot run ITF below 21k rating

[pure willow]

why not?

[fathom oasis]

You should aim for 25-26k haste for smooth SB uptime

[pure willow]

alright alright ty

[fathom oasis]

Because SB uptime with such low haste is wonky at best

[pure willow]

does haste reduce the cd of SB?

[fathom oasis]

Below 21k you have to run the alternative talent to ITF (the one that extends SB with SS)

[fathom oasis]

Yes

[pure willow]

gotcha gotcha okay, thank you i appreciate the help!

[fathom oasis]

Np

Should be fairly easy to reach that amount of haste, as long as all your jewelry include haste rating

[pure willow]

worth crafting?

[fathom oasis]

Crafting goes shield>weapon>bracer>belt>whatever

If you have myth track you skip shield/weapon

They are temporary crafts to boost their ilvl

[pure willow]

oh damn i crafted bracer first, ill craft shield next

[fathom oasis]

Shield is the most important item in your gear, and ilvl is king because it increases its block amount (the only source for it)

It will increase your survivability a ton

Dont put any embellishments on weapon/shield if you dont want to have to recraft stuff later on

Use dawn/dusk thread lining on bracer/belt

[pure willow]

oki doki ty

[odd plume]

hi, can someone explain why sword dmg is more? does it actually effect dps?

[fathom oasis]

Different weapon types have different damage ranges, but its mostly irrelevant. Just look at damage per second

Do you play any race that cares about weapon type?

It seems you play dracthyr, so no. In whatever case, we only care about ilvl, and 723 is > 720, so upgrade the myth track one and slap it on

[odd plume]

ayy thanks for the explanation

[fathom oasis]

Slight little addendum regarding gilded crest usage, it's more efficient to fully upgrade each hero piece one by one with leftover gildeds, than upgrading them evenly

Seen some people with many 707 hero track items

The 704 > 707 upgrade is a "waste" of gildeds when you get a myth track item on that slot, but the 707 > 710 you make up by having 1 free upgrade on your myth item later on if you get it from the vault

[sharp merlin]

Hahaha yeah I know, I think the boomie panicked because he got gapped hard by the ele

[round pendant]

what is with vdh's just running into packs and dying instantly

it's so fucking funny

[sharp merlin]

It is the way

[dry skiff]

does anybody know why is it advised to Target the miniboss instead of boss at psf 1th boss ?

[solid sun]

Never heard that before

I target the boss because I’m in charge of interrupting the battle cry

[dry skiff]

hmmmm i know it's a thing but i dont know why

[coarse bay]

Dont really think it’s a thing other than interrupting without focus kick. Shouldnt matter which you target except when he is mauling a friend

[dry skiff]

a friend of mine encountered this on several ocasions until he legit watched Kira's stream and he apparently instructed the group to do the same

[coarse bay]

Encountered what?

[dry skiff]

people telling the group to focus miniboss

[coarse bay]

Unless this is very new tech, it would be very known if there was any benefit to it

[dry skiff]

probably a huge misunderstanding

[coarse bay]

Shouldnt matter either way really, you can target miniboss if you want 🙂

[dry skiff]

yea but when you think about the inconvenience, it makes you think. why would people prefer miniboss when he sometimes stand in the puddle, cant reach him, and you have to switch for maul, something has to be worth it

[coarse bay]

All i can think is that it wasnt the boss fight that your friend heard it from, but one of the previous miniboss pulls

Or maybe its just something they want to do for their group

Top teams will do what works best for them

[dry skiff]

i thought the same but he insisted it was boss. will let you know if i find something useful

[solid sun]

I think Kira has a discord

Might be the best place to find the answer tbh

Or ask during the stream between keys or whenever he’s most likely to be able to answer questions

[jagged pier]

U have hunter

Hunter mark will last on it and therefore you all do more damage because increased damage above 80%

Cant think of any other case tho

[shut vigil]

how do people have 3k versa on their cloaks? Do the boots increase the stats of the cloak?

[warm plinth]

Yeah that'd be the only thing I could think of too. Since the miniboss has more hp by a lot

[shut vigil]

are people somehow getting a 2nd fiber socket on their cloaks? Or is the warcraft armory / murlok stuff just wrong

[blazing shuttle]

Guys.

Why do Arcane Mages often do so little damages?

Like, less than the tank on the first pull of flood?

💀

[dry skiff]

Prot war, 2x Havoc, Frost Dk, Resto shaman was the comp

[shrewd grove]

Bc there are a lot of bad Arcane mages and the spec is very punishing if you fuck up the rotation

[shrewd grove]

Sites are wrong or its bugged. There's not a way to do it legit

[shut vigil]

how much does the 0.6% increased critical effect actually matter from the blasphemite gem?

I'm unironically considering the movement speed one instead I am a bit slow

[warm plinth]

It matters about as much as the 8% movement speed will.

Seriously though, it's just the fact that it's a non-zero amount of DPS gain vs a 0 DPS gain

[proud blade]

I used to have a google drive sheet that had a list of all abilities and which defensives negate them but I guess I lost it. does anyone know if that sheet still exists somewhere?

[shut vigil]

movement speed gem it is, for maximizing notadkitis

[warm plinth]

Like for prot war specifically? If so, it's probably the block/reflect sheet you can find in the pins or FAQ

[proud blade]

thank you

[minor aurora]

I've come to the conclusion that im a better pally than i'm a war tank. Still struggling on 15s pulls and agrro.

Pally it's just much easier to hold it.

Ara-kara first pull i still mess it up.

[lime urchin]

Aren’t arcane mages played in high keys for big prio damage and because of that people starting playing it as well?

[blazing shuttle]

And since it is FOTM.

Everyoine's playing it.

And most cant do shit.

[lime urchin]

Well most players are pretty average, which is fine
But it’s a shame most players stick to meta lists, which is boring

[blazing shuttle]

I say that, playing Prot War (since late S2, I wanted a new tank that was not protadin nor BDK)

But you can clearly see which player is a FOTM

[shrewd grove]

ye

[mortal cypress]

I dusted off my mage that i've had since 2004 and tried arcane, and its not very fun. You get procs popping and going all the time, and your ui is like a disco if you track them all. It's very nuanced when to spend arcane barrages and you need to know the tank route and pull sizes to manage your cds well or the damage is kinda crap.

Most classes pop cds and go ham, arcane pops cds, does a decent amount of damage and gets a buff, then has to wait 10 seconds or something for a summoned phoenix to vanish as part of the CD, and THEN you go into the proper part of the cd that has hella cleave and big damage.

Just feels fiddly and not very fun to me.

[solid sun]

Idk I think arcane is pretty interesting. Some people talk about how it’s hard to get damage out of it and others claim it’s hardly more than a three button spec. A tiny bit of thought on cooldowns but otherwise pretty straightforward

I feel like most specs don’t have such a split review of how difficult or how complex it is

[mortal cypress]

It is only 3 buttons if you dont include cds, but there is a lot of nuance. You can just go "arcane blast til 4 stacks, barrage, and use missles on clearcasting procs" and you will do ok

It's the only spec ive seen that has like a graphic, well multiple graphics, to show all the scenarios and priorities for those 3 buttons or not, due to all the procs/buffs that can happen

[solid sun]

Just seems overly bloated

[warm plinth]

Guess it just seems easier for some than others

[solid sun]

Three buttons but multiple graphs to show the different scenarios seems like they tried to overly complicate wizard BM Hunter lol

[mortal cypress]

like you get a "Burden of Power proc", it increases blast or barrage damage by 20%, but if you use it on barrage it clears all your arcane charges which you dont want outside of heavy movement or something, so you want to blast, then when the Burden of Power proc is spent, you get Glorious Incandescence , which lets you then spend barrage for 20%, doesnt spend the charges, and calls down a meteor storm

BM is nowhere near as complicated, but bm is more complicated than people say it is. I find Fury easier lol.

[warm plinth]

BM hunter would be a lot more complicated if you didn't have WAs that do 90% of the work for you

[mortal cypress]

true!

[warm plinth]

Like barbed shot usage is fairly nuanced, but there's a WA that tells you exactly when to press it and all you ahve to remember is to send it on different targets

Tier set usage is also unintuitive, but again, you have a WA that tells you hey don't send bestial wrath yet

(for pack leader)

[mortal cypress]

tracking ferocity stacks or whatever was pretty much impossible without WAs....idk if this new blizzard CD tracker shows stuff like that

[solid sun]

One of the reasons I tank is because pwar is supreme zug zug

[warm plinth]

As a result, the only complexity the spec has is, hey don't put all your barbed shots on one target, and make sure to target the back mob in the pack so you hit everything with stampede

[mortal cypress]

the holding stampede thing is such a small percent damage increase it only makes sens for long lived packs, at least in my experience. I just send it on CD mostly

[warm plinth]

The rest is literally 3 buttons

[solid sun]

Have you swapped to Sylvanas spec yet

[mortal cypress]

as pack leader yeah, and dark ranger isnt much more complicated

[warm plinth]

No, not going to. It's not enough of a difference for me to have to restat my gear and learn a new playstyle

[solid sun]

Sylvanas gets the machine gun thing right

[mortal cypress]

its fun when you get back to back black arrow procs, you are like a machine gun

[solid sun]

Instead of stampede

[mortal cypress]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Yeah, which is basically reverse stampede as I understand it; you target the closest mob instead of the farthest

because it hits in a cone behind the target

But it has the advantage of being instant instead of over 7 seconds

[mortal cypress]

yeah its supposed to be a cone, but its fucking weird

like on last boss of ara kara you are hitting the pool mobs from miles away

[warm plinth]

Well, it might be a dot, but it's like on the mobs I mean, instead of stampede having to have the mobs there for the duration

[mortal cypress]

and yet you are just tunneling the boss

[solid sun]

I don’t mind specs being easy

Lets me focus on everything else

[warm plinth]

Me neither. I play BM because it's easy

It's a chill alt to play

I say alt but it's higher score than my war right now

[mortal cypress]

same....i switched from mage to hunter in legion because M+ was a new thing and i got sick of having to move when casting

[fathom oasis]

maybe because damage to miniboss still breaks maul, and you don't need to worry about maul targetting a far away target?

[solid sun]

I’ve considered playing fury but I think I’d have to change stats and crafts from pwar to play it at a high level

Might play FDK

[mortal cypress]

fury is really fun but hurts my hands....i miss the passive healing it has when i play hunter

[warm plinth]

The one upside of Dark Ranger that almost made me swap is that it's tankier

Because you use vers as a prio stat and it gets the hero talent where you get SotF from exhil

Also think it's silly that MM has all the same defensives as we do but the so-called pet masters still have to swap to a specific pet to use their different shit but MM hunters are like lolIhaveaneagle

[solid sun]

That eagle though

[mortal cypress]

yeah but thats a very very recent thing....MM used to have to summon a pet, BL, then dismiss it, which was just asinine

[warm plinth]

I know

I'm not saying it's dumb that they have the buttons

It's just silly they don't have to do anything to use them all now but BM still does

[mortal cypress]

BL should just be a baseline ability for all hunters....yeah I agree its dumb

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-eagly-eagle-car-driving-gif-24507989

[warm plinth]

Like it's really dumb if I'm the luster and as a result I'm now a bigger liability on whatever boss or pull I have to lust on

[solid sun]

As a surv hunter in DF I’d use a bird of prey for lust as well as a lot of leech and a mortal strike effect

Does that work for BM

Well, “a lot” of leech

[warm plinth]

I use a bee, but I get the same shit

[solid sun]

Maybe it was cope

[warm plinth]

The leech used to be much bigger. Can't remember when it was changed

In BFA it was like 15% for the pet and 5% for the hunter iirc

Which made the pets a lot tankier. Now they just splat to anything

[mortal cypress]

its super rare these days, but if your pet dies for whatever reason as BM, you cant lust til you rez it either

[warm plinth]

yup

[solid sun]

And you don’t get the warlock spell

They get to insta summon a demon once every however many minutes

[warm plinth]

Yeah, but they also ALWAYS have a cast time on their pet. We only have it if it dies

And even then it's a shorter cast for revive pet than for their summon without fel dom

by like half

[mortal cypress]

I mean your pet should just not die...the only way it happens is if the tank is utter shit, you start hitting something you shouldnt do and its not being tanked, or weird edge cases like the green goo acid before locknstock that they just stand in when killing trash

they have like 90% aoe damage reduction and usually take 0 dmg

long gone are the days of:
Tank: HUNTER TURN TAUNT OFF PET
Hunter: Sorry....

[warm plinth]

Yeah, now I just have a keybind for growl in case I need to try to save someone if the tank goes down

[tardy sequoia]

hey is 3100 rating enough to be considered a good tank, given the current season context?

[bold shard]

you're a good tank!

[tardy sequoia]

yeah not looking to push the absolutely best... just trying to be able to confidently say "i can manage my own"

[nocturne spindle]

It's top like 8% probably

If you'd consider that good. Yes

It's all subjective

[frozen berry]

Also depends on when you get it in the season

The gear inflation that will happen on the 21st is a big difference too for keys

[tardy sequoia]

true, i started three weeks ago, unfortunately skipped season 2 entirely

[jagged pier]

I mean realistically doesnt really matter if gear inflation or not, you see about top 10% each season get the last reward and achievement, then a massive drop off because theres no point in pushing

And being good if subjective, if 2s are hard for you and u do 2 then yoi are a hood tsnk too you

[undone beacon]

Jakey are you okay

[jagged pier]

Phone

And fingers dont mix

[undone beacon]

Understandable

I’m adding disc priests to my pugging shit list

Disc priests and arcane mages I will not invite to my keys

[jagged pier]

Got a lot worse over the last few years because i climb

And theyve all gotten wider so now even harder

[undone beacon]

Damn yeah that’s fair

[warm plinth]

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[ionic fern]

3rd today

wtf.

[fierce mulch]

W mwahi

[blazing shuttle]

So I was just sent this and...

Is this just a bug, from the page?
Or are people exploiting shit?

Wait, looking up.

It is a webpage bug.

[fathom oasis]

Can you check a log?

[blazing shuttle]

I'm going to try.

[frosty mango]

Agree hard with this

And I think once you hit 18-19 personal skill plateaus a lot and the major contributor becomes group play

How well you play as a unit vs how well you play as an individual

IMO there’s not much functional difference between those keys because everything is a one shot anyway. It’s really just more mob health at that point

[peak pagoda]

For any multi class tank players, what would you say is the most fun tank this season?

Is it warrior or something else?

[patent osprey]

Warrior 🙂

[blazing shuttle]

So far, I've went from years of BDK to Pwar.

And Pwar got me to enjoy the game again. It is fun, it is fast, it is nervous, it is tanky.

[peak pagoda]

Looks like I'll have to dust off the old Orc Warrior.

[jagged gust]

Apm good, apm fun

[peak pagoda]

Any tips?

[frosty mango]

Raid - prob Druid
M+ - war or pal

[jagged gust]

Press your buttons

[frosty mango]

One thing everyone will agree on is that tanking m+ on a bear is boring and brew is boring in general

Maybe not everyone, but most imo

[peak pagoda]

I was stuck beteween Warrior or Prot paladin but I hate the animation of their hammer of the righteous where it spins round.

[frosty mango]

Druid is very fun in raid with weaving

Paladin is kinda frantic but can be engaging

Warrior I feel is boring at the low end and gets fun when you’re closer to the skill ceiling and you’re trying to optimize

[peak pagoda]

Sounds good - do we use SLAM at all?

[warm plinth]

If it's not mentioned in the rotation, we do not use it

[frosty mango]

If you put slam on your bar your character will be permanently deleted on next log out

Not even once.

[blazing shuttle]

And you will never be able to play warrior ever again.

[lucid sand]

Prot is incredibly fun when you are surviving by the seat of your pants

makes the whole rotation feel intense

[plush tendon]

fun tier list

[north cedar]

Hey, would really appreciate if someone can give me feedback on this log (HoA+12). I started playing this char 6 days ago, and have no prior experience in tanking at all, so you can probably immediately spot some major errors on the damage breakdown alone https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kN6xpMjHqnL3JXfG?fight=last&type=damage-done

[lusty grotto]

this is bad

maintain Shield Block

its not back hits either

[lusty grotto]

yes, thats low APM

way too much revenge

[polar pelican]

shield slam and tclap should alway sbe on cd

and most rage shuld be spend on ignore pain

and shield block

[lusty grotto]

IP apm is fine

[north cedar]

The shield block thing is a good catch, definitely need to improve that. On the Revenge; I often have capped rage with ignore pain maxed out

[lusty grotto]

press it at 70+ rage, thats it

[north cedar]

So even then I want to shield slam and tclap instead of revenge or execute?

[lusty grotto]

let me stop you right there

IP being maxed out does not matter

at all

[polar pelican]

you still spend the rage for anger managerment

[lusty grotto]

you still press it

[polar pelican]

reduce aviator cooldown

[north cedar]

Alright definitely have been doing that wrong

[lusty grotto]

to the guy that asked yes its 5 target patchwerk 1.5 min

[polar pelican]

and shield wall cd also

[lusty grotto]

rend shouldnt be 2nd in your breakdown

keep SB up, face mobs
TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Execute

press IP at 70+ rage

and press your buttons

always

thats it

the only reason we press Revenge as Thane is if we had both SS and TC on cd, and/or if mobs are missing deep wounds

so it is... last in the prio

given that SS resets are plenty

and SS gives you TB

[north cedar]

Thanks a lot, I did read the guide several times but having someone break it down like this helps a lot

[frozen berry]

Where’s the log location of the blocked hits etc?

[lusty grotto]

hover over melee hits in damage taken

or any blockable attack

[frozen berry]

Ok can’t do it from mobile makes sense

Sitting in low 90%s guess I could work on that too

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

if youre at at the very least 90%, youre doing great

anything under that, barring edge cases, is bad

[frozen berry]

How do you see the back shots and whatnot? I think in gathering is where I prob get the most hits taken in that regard

[lusty grotto]

the faster way to do it is to compare to buff uptime

but its not super accurate

so after that you have to check damage taken, press melee, and select shield block, and change view to events

B: means it was blocked, and these are all attacks with SB Up

the first one isnt

that's a back hit

its complicated, we dont usually do it

because you wont go through every single melee hit to check

[frozen berry]

Got it, yeah the closest I ever get to dying is gathering

Or people ass pulling and I have to save them and charge through a group or something

[versed ravine]

Yo guys, ive been looking for a good spell reflect WA that pops up for the team if i or my tank press spell reflect, is there a good one out there?
I can only find ones that party anounce in the chat, but a popup would be superior

[warm plinth]

Don't think that's even possible. Each person would have to have a WA that just triggers when anyone has the SR buff.

I don't know if you can just have your own WA that makes something pop up for others.

[versed ravine]

that would be fine as well

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt use announces

people will just kick harder

just communicate before the boss

or using voice

"dont kick boss, ill handle it"

usually has a lot more results than having announcing in /say or whatever

it doesnt remove their kicking completely especially in pugs but its more favorable

thats at least my experience since forever and most of the channel's

[versed ravine]

hmm fair, thanks!

[round pendant]

still blows my mind that people can't handle the giga pull in ara-kara

your job is to literally kick 2 mobs between 4 people and maybe cc a barrage

nope, too hard

[warm plinth]

never seems to be a kick that kills it for my groups; always someone getting fucked up by mobs

[round pendant]

damn I parsed a 99 on a +12 streets

[ashen kestrel]

as someone who doesnt raid, when the dinars come, is a brand + netherprism at hc ilvl gonna be still better than any of the myth track ones we get from m+ (pacemaker, tome)

[slender tree]

What's ideal secondary stat spread for MT prot Warrior?
Currently my stats are reflected in the pic below. I have a bunch of gear to optimize for sure.
Ilvl 705

[nocturne spindle]

meme parse run ruined by soul hunters

tragic

[ashen kestrel]

those dont look to bad but id lean more into haste and crit if you're wanting more damage - these are mine at 708 (haste will go up to 50ish with ITF which is quite high)

[proud nimbus]

this dude executes

[nocturne spindle]

pacemaker is pretty much our bis trinket besides brand

i think ilvl for ilvl pacemaker is better than netherprism

[ashen kestrel]

ah sweet, that frees up a coin then as i have got a myth pacemaker early on

[proud nimbus]

did blizzard say they will require myth clear for raid trinkets?

[nocturne spindle]

yes

[proud nimbus]

nice, they are making boosters rich af

[ashen kestrel]

i didnt see if it was said or not but under the assumption itll be the same as last season

[frozen berry]

It was said in the blue post I believe

[proud nimbus]

bizzare decision tbh

given how little people myth raid

[ashen kestrel]

a lot of good shit behind raid for tanks too trinket wise etc, and the boots

does the vendor have the boots?

if so ill burn a coin on those

[slender tree]

I see, I have been farming Priory/Floodgate and streets to replace a ring and my trinkets.

[ashen kestrel]

i would worry too much about tome from priory but per the comment above, pacemaker is bis after the brand from raid - not sure if you have it or not but youll be able to buy it soon-ish with turbo boost

and I think the ring from priory is vers mastery which is fine, but not bis i dont think - theres a ring from dawnbreaker with big crit and some haste

[cedar egret]

elaborate on doesnt raid because for heroic brand you need to clean normal soul hunters

so no raid at all no trinket

[ashen kestrel]

cant it just be bought from the dinar vendor when it comes? last season you didnt need to raid to buy the hero track

from raid

[cedar egret]

now it does

[ashen kestrel]

well im sure i can hop in a pug and down it on normal, i wasnt aware of that

[slender tree]

I don't have any BIS trinkets. I have gotten othe good gear but straight garbage trinkets.

[ashen kestrel]

actually now that I think of it, I killed in on normal once already trying to get the trinket - i completely forgot as i offspecced to fury

[summer wing]

hey all i got a problem with threat in raiding, because I don't play warr tank as main. but the other tank is warr.

guardian druid channel seems very dead because noone wants to playa bad tank seriously.

any suggestions?

dimensius is the biggest problem at the moment

[weary wigeon]

is worth have dh boots on tank?

bc i have the nm and in the bag 1 myth track

[frosty mango]

Yes and no.

The boots offer a lot of defensive value for m+
They offer next to nothing for raid

In any scenario you would not use normal dh boots over myth boots

You MAY use heroic dh boots over mythic reg boots in m+ at high key levels but even that is….very up for debate

[minor lark]

The numbers dont look good, but is it decent? Seems... okay

[solid sun]

It’s awful

Terrible even

[minor lark]

I thought that said 13... holy fuck you're right

[lone kiln]

do we like thunderous roar or spear in raid?

[frosty mango]

Mostly equal, spear will generally be higher if played well….but not by a lot

[dry skiff]

how much haste is needed to comfortably play with [Into the Fray] ? i feel like i am spamming shield block

[strong forum]

21k+ in keys
more in raid

[dry skiff]

hmmmm i have 23k now, but when i tried it with 18k, it felt like i had to save all my rage for shield block

in m+

[warm plinth]

Where does the rage come into it? The reason you need haste is for the cooldown of SB, not for rage

[round pendant]

stats don't matter other than 24-27k haste for shield block uptime with ITF, rest is irrelevant

[cerulean tusk]

Boring answer is:

• Tanks are essentially a duo, a tag-team, you both got to communicate and plan around the feedback you give each other. Talk to your co-tank, figure out the what, when and how's of what is happening when the threat issue occurs.
  It is pretty normal that tanks at different skill levels, gear or simply difference in class balance will have issues during progression. This is simply solved by talking it out, planning for it and adapting as is needed. This includes things like:
• Hold your big threat generators when you are not tanking. Example: Not using demolish or empowered shieldslam's before threat is solidified (at worst, only when you are the active tank).
• Plan CDs so you don't go ham, when the co-tank is empty.
• Keep an eye on the threat, don't be an ego player - be a team player. You doing 200k less DPS isnt optimal, but it would lessen the chance for a wipe.
• Talk to your co-tank after the raid, and agree for a time and place to have a talk about how to fix the issue. It will usually be a 2-5 min session.
  Co-tanks will usually become quite close and get to know one another (for good and bad) and that is required to do a good job. So even if you don't vibe, keep it professional and to the point at hand. If you are at a standstill (or at hostility) and your co-tank (or yourself) doesn't want to listen... well, if it affects the team negatively (not talking your ego here, and logs - progress is what matters), then you would want to think about either leaving the team or talk to your RL to get your co-tank replaced.

In an ideal world, both tanks will play optimally, have the same goals, same vibe, be equally geared and both specs/classes will be close to eachother in balance. Yet, sometimes that is not the case and you must work around it.

TLDR:

• Play around eachother, try to improve teamwork and then focus on improving performance. If there is no teamwork, talk about it with the RL and see if it cant be sorted the long way around.

[warm plinth]

Calm down chatgpt

smh

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/diekatzlei-katzlei-die-katzlei-cattemacchiato-how-about-no-gif-10711635196648696898

[round pendant]

using chatgpt should get you perma banned from wow

[cerulean tusk]

I mean, doesnt affect myself, so make that a rule

why not?

[round pendant]

exactly

[summer wing]

thanks for the help 🙂

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-and-tank-nxt-tag-team-champions-and-new-hank-walker-tank-ledger-gif-7417930776457964465

[charred coral]

Is it better to craft weapon or shield first for prot?

[cerulean tusk]

Shield

[ashen kestrel]

Soleah is cursed in lower keys, i regret taking a few weeks off at the start of the season and playing my shaman

+12 and +13 tonight, at the last boss with 10/11 mins left and we go depleto

also had a 12 dawn where 3 dps just decided to go to not the ship that I pinged 3 times - and then ask what I was doing

classic

[undone beacon]

Guardian Druid discord has some very active participants, there’s just fewer of us smh

[sinful copper]

Wrong ship is weird. If u went to a diff ship than 99.99% of people, then u should prob change the ship u start at

[ashen kestrel]

i usually go to the easier tank one first, this time i decided to go to the one with the commander first - I thought pinging myself and the ship before takeoff would be enough, evidently not

[ashen kestrel]

sadge - s2 bear main

[undone beacon]

I’m still a bear main, we need a Druid in our raid group and I’m the only one we’ve got

[ashen kestrel]

i dont even think they knew that you could go to that ship - he was like 'what are you doing? go to the other ship'

he thought i was afk i think

[ashen kestrel]

W - im still bashing around with it but only like 12s/13s max - too much nostalgia not to play it because it was my first ever class on wow

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims highest, there's no "specific" stat spread, you just go haste + whatever sims highest

thats it

posting stats means nothing to us here

especially in percentages

we read ratings only

[frozen berry]

do yall kite the arcane slash frontal on Ecodome in high keys?

[lusty grotto]

sure

leaping out also works

but you only need to take a few steps to avoid it

[frosty mango]

It’s not bad

It does insane raid dps if played properly and it does fine in m+ (though it is rather boring)

[idle mesa]

I see some people not playing shield specialization talent, why is that?

I thought it was a must have

[pallid quiver]

The reasons I've heard have been anywhere from:

• We're already strong against melee attacks, why would we be stronger
• I'm not having trouble living, so why grab survival?
• I want to do more damage, fuck survival
• Shield Spec isn't very big, anyway, something else is bigger survival

Whether these are justified reasonings is a different question

particularly the last one

I also have issues with the second, because the people I've heard that from are also grabbing other points that contradict their reasoning, such as BSV

[idle mesa]

Thanks for the very clear response and hmm I see i think it makes sense I guess

[pallid quiver]

As a whole, I think if you're ever at all concerned about damage from any source, giving up shield spec is a very silly thing, since sources of block value are rare

[tribal wharf]

bad

REALLY bad iirc

like, really really bad,

[minor lark]

I thought it was 13 mil and a jackpot

Its 1.3 for a hero 3/6 holy shit

[tribal wharf]

to the point that when it was current, it was a pin "DONT USE CODEX" for that whole season of keys

[urban portal]

did you see the part where it reduces your strength by 7k

thats the worst part

the codex effect byitself is fine

[minor lark]

I saw the 50k stamina wtf

[tribal wharf]

cuz it turns out it does like......... WAYYYY less than it stated, i dont recall the exact reason

[urban portal]

if it had strength on it it would be a mid/upper mid trinket

its not a bad effect

its the lack of strength

[minor lark]

Damn

[urban portal]

its not different from any other proc shield trinkets out there

[tribal wharf]

this one was good

and this is probably close to the worst tank trinket of all time

same dungeon

[hoary oriole]

is 300k dps acceptable at 710? i feel like its on the low side

playing mountain than fwiw

[urban portal]

thats the dps you do about a year ago

[hoary oriole]

well thats disheartening

[urban portal]

brush up on the rotation on wowhead

[grave flower]

300k is less than auto attack damage isnt it?

[hoary oriole]

sorry 3m

[grave flower]

Do you mean 3m? Like maybe just reading details wrong

[hoary oriole]

yeah i'm braindead

[urban portal]

ok

because auto attack dps is 240k

[grave flower]

Over the course of a key or ST raid>

[urban portal]

if its 3m in raid its fine

[hoary oriole]

keys. 11s and 12s

[grave flower]

Little low

Can be around 5.5M

Depends on which key too

3m can be fine in streets

[hoary oriole]

and i main healers so i felt like most other tanks ive healed have been 4+. there are a few things i should change but i have a hard time trusting as a tank

[urban portal]

ya if you are timing 11-12s with 3m i wont hate you for it

[grave flower]

3m isnt anything someone should comment on if youre timing.

[urban portal]

top log is 4.8m in streets

ya doing a bit lower than average is fine

if you are on an alt

[hoary oriole]

just missed an 11 halls by a minute. did wipe on a boss though

[grave flower]

Yeah, 3m can be fine in streets. But would be weird to see in like PSF or Ara

Logs can help but tbh 3m isnt anything I would research yourself to death on. Sounds like a comfortability thing more than anything,.

[urban portal]

but do read over the wowhead guide if you are feeling low on dps

[hoary oriole]

another odd question. what interrupts do tanks typically kick? should i let the dps get the prio kicks and stop bolt casts?

[shrewd grove]

There's no assignments like that

in pugs

[hoary gate]

Ran a +13 flood gate, mainly DPS this season, damage was ok, parsed a 59, but healing was a 0 lol

Not enough IP?

674 mill

[shrewd grove]

Healing parse is pretty irrelevant idk

[frosty mango]

Did you die?

Was shield block up?

All good if so

[shrewd grove]

^ This

[hoary gate]

Nope never died, just don't want to miss something moving up the keys

[lusty grotto]

HPS is not relevant for us

its nothingburger

[hoary gate]

Kk ty

[chrome plinth]

hey guys, had to go prot for raid tonight on frac... how bad am i butchering the tank rotation?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jhg4V31xzc287CDW?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[sinful copper]

Damn first time prot and killing M frac? You're gaming

[fathom oasis]

Healing parse is silly, but it being a 0 is significant i feel

[limpid raft]

Hey weird question, im usually a fury main with low rio ~2.2k and switching to Prot, i tanked every dungeon til +6 except arakara with no problem at all, im scared of pushing higher, i assume +10 is hard to tank and i wanted to ask if +10 really is much harder to tank than +6, i dont want to ruin the key of someone or wasting time of the other 4 people but i want my weekly +10 done, so yeah is it way harder or is it easier than i think?

[fathom oasis]

• Wasted 500 out of 3500 rage
• Used outburst on TB 7 times and TC 2 times, only 5 on SS (they should all be SS)
• SB uptime I think could be improved? Unless log is buggy, you only used Shield Charge once

[fathom oasis]

Ofc for people here 10s are piss easy, but we dont know what your playing level is. Different people find different things difficult

What's your ilvl?

If you bring a log from you running any key we can point you into things you can do to improve

Have you read the wowhead/icy veins guides?

[fathom oasis]

Can you share that 0 healing log? Im curious

[plush tendon]

our mages keys done breakdown is hilarious

Gambit and Eco are too hard

[paper stump]

Good Day Everyone,

I wanna ask how to deal with 1st mythic raid bosses? Is it that we leap back far and use defs while on the purple debuff on the ground or ask someone to come closer, so i can intervene? I duuno what to do and ppl were like being toxic not to drop further away?

[ionic fern]

You get the tank debuff,you leap away to the back to either left or right side of the room

Other tank taunts as you get the debuff so the boss doesn't move.

You drop the debuff and charge back in.

[paper stump]

So i dont have to be that far ? This is the mythic raid i am talking about.

[sharp merlin]

Thank you, my team going through logs are like “omg it’s so low, you must be playing the spec wrong”

[ionic fern]

You need to leap out and move back. It deals damage to the raid based on your distance from them.

[paper stump]

Exactly thats the idea, so for the first tank taunting the boss in the opener is lucky not going furthest back and i can intervene easily since ppl are near, but if i do the 2nd taunt the distance becomes freely way way back and when i leap and go more distance just to get the raid safe i drop the debuff and use some defs while moving away from the purple ground and keep moving till i find either near player to intervene or get lucky with the wall moving and use my back special button to go thro while i am far away there. Either way i am trying to find the optimal way of dealing with it. DHs are so lucky with their infinite jumps and wings. My Blood dk with death advance … and so on. I am sorry if I disturbed you, but i always like to do the best I could in both protecting my raid and not losing my dps…

[ionic fern]

I think you are overthinking it. .you don't need to run to the other side of the world. Max range leap + few steps back and done.

[jagged pier]

I just run out and leap back

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[paper stump]

I might be yea. Just wanted to see what others are doing. Thank you so much for your feedback ❤️

[paper stump]

Gonna try this next reset. Ty .

[nocturne spindle]

leap out>cape tele forward and charge

[paper stump]

I will be honest with you, i thought about this before and I ready wrote that earlier, and though to myself ( even if i got hit by the wall i will just use defs and solve it…

[arctic marten]

Against one target in execute range, if i'm at low rage (ex. 25), do I still press Execute or do I use Revenge?

[pallid quiver]

It's actually better at low rage than medium rage, since it costs the same rage as compared to more

So you're still spending the same global

compare that to if you're at 40 rage, where you'll only get one global, as compared to revenge, then execute

[arctic marten]

Maybe I should rephrase my question. Against one target in execute range, when, if ever, do I use Revenge, or do I only cast Execute?

[jagged pier]

the answer your looking for is never

revenge is never better than execute on ST

[pallid quiver]

If you're at any other rage amount than 40, you can pretty comfortably send execute

If you're at 40, with no other way to reset, it's generally better to ensure you have globals to reset. This is fairly unlikely to happen with the spec as is

[sharp merlin]

How do I tell if Arcane is not doing well? I feel like the one in my team isn't doing well, but I just can't prove it

[jagged pier]

u go too the mage discord as ask them to review logs

[sharp merlin]

oh damn, alright

I'm scared 😂

[cerulean tusk]

Another "my friend needs help" post, a hidden: give me an excuse, I want him to be gone

[sharp merlin]

ahahah

it's rough, you either play with no lifer degens and do high end, or play with friends who can't hit buttons and die to puddles, and cry as you're not timing keys you did in week 2

[fathom oasis]

Oh boy, new video has arrived

Same vibes as the one gif from the VDH that jumps to his death in Stonevault

[sharp merlin]

Ah, cursed

ahhahaha

[oak ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851065633345546/big2.gif

consider also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851066178473985/rlp.gif

[fathom oasis]

glorious

[sharp merlin]

But Funky, I was doing 14s week 2, and now we're struggling to time them, we have a different Mage, and a healer who's not micced up - I haven't changed the routes, I would say I'm even pulling more aggressively to make up the time.

[jagged pier]

pull more aggressive != making up time