Yeah I think that’s the issue
#protection
idle mesa
lusty grotto
soothe
idle mesa
The 4x batons are on the first pull?
warm plinth
Oh the super saison guys
round pendant
Super Saison
lusty grotto
soothe, its an enrage
lusty grotto
The 4x batons are on the first pull?
yes
dry skiff
does Free revenge has different priority than the revenge we spend rage on ?
lusty grotto
does Free revenge has different priority than the revenge we spend rage on ?
no
not as thane, still last prio
round pendant
and if there's no soothe I just cry?
warm plinth
Hard Light*
round pendant
kite ig
dry skiff
what about the free execute
warm plinth
They shouldn't hurt if they aren't enraged
lusty grotto
if there's no enrage idk what youre doing cause those mobs shouldnt hurt you
idle mesa
Thanks guys I’ll try to reflect next time 🙂
round pendant
lusty grotto
Thanks guys I’ll try to reflect next time 🙂
read the sheet
warm plinth
Oh, just rotate cds or backpedal to desync melees
lusty grotto
in pins and in #protection-faq
warm plinth
Or both if needed
round pendant
I mean I haven't died to it yet but when I was doing a 15 (that we bricked) it got spicy as hell
I ran out of shield walls 😔
round pendant
I need to get better at beckpedalling to stagger melees tbh
I fucking hate mobs in this game lately though
they NEVER STOP MOVING
dusky canopy
Wait so we don’t get the +6 ilvls on the 7th.. now we wait until the 21st?
round pendant
good
plush tendon
you get the increased tracks on the 7th
lusty grotto
basically nothing
lusty grotto
no you dont
lusty grotto
ah i see what you guys are saying now
round pendant
I might be done with the season tbh
plush tendon
round pendant
kinda really annoying
plush tendon
its kind of a nothing burger
plush tendon
unless you are already capped on gilded cause unlucky drops
so yea, October 21 is when things will pick up
hold onto rune crests
so you can instant get a bunch of gildeds
round pendant
I hate this "pay some crafter another 10k to recraft your shit because we randomly increase the ilvl halfway through the season"
serene wave
how much haste and crit should i aim for?
round pendant
thanks blizz
lusty grotto
yeah shrug
serene wave
i have 22k and 26k
lusty grotto
you dont aim
you send
all the haste
and then whatever sims next after that
thats it
chasing a specific number is not practical
or smart
serene wave
dependin on ringgs i can have 27k 19k 23k 23k or 21k 27k
cause i have zealot ring panoply and shattered soul, id have to sim tho when im home
warm plinth
Uncapped crests 2 weeks after extended tracks is sadge
jagged pier
gotta keep player engagement somehow
round pendant
Wow is so dependent on making people wait for weekly lockouts to keep subs
gotta say subbed to get those 2 extra myth vaults for potentially 2 more items to raise by 6 ilvls when I farm 6 bajillion crests on the 21st
holy
lament osprey
dusky canopy
whats the intervene tech for fury in fract?
You would intervene to get back to the boss after a wall break if you’re chosen
But don’t bother
Just leap
lusty grotto
ive been playing it way too ethical
dusky canopy
Also you’re a badass warrior so tell them you can stack with a DK or a paladin for the spread
lusty grotto
i gotta do more greedy shit
dusky canopy
Helps save space
lusty grotto
yeah i stack with a DK
fract parsing is aids if you dont play greedy though apparently
dusky canopy
Greed to succeed
round pendant
nvm I'm too eepy to rant about how bad wow gearing and progression is
dusky canopy
Yeah man don’t feel bad I can not for the life of me get a 6m+ frac log
I crank my ass off have comparable casts and breakdowns to the top log
And I get 5m every single time
lusty grotto
this week's kill we have purple purple blue blue purple purble and then greys
dusky canopy
It’s so annoying lmao
lusty grotto
i cant figure it out
solid sun
Are you one of the purple parses
lusty grotto
i bet its a kill timer issue
dusky canopy
Well like we talked bro
lusty grotto
hell no this week was my first kill
dusky canopy
Plexus you won’t log if you’re not skipping the intermission
And you have to kill before 3rd
Soulbinder you won’t log if you don’t do the break all cages at once
And you get to be the padder
Loom you won’t log if you swap to tangle
Forge you won’t log if adds are behind portal and you aren’t the main padder
Frac is just dog shit mechanic selection
Soul hunters you need good immunes on your soak assignment so you get full uptime also move close strat during i3
And they have to let you hit the havoc
solid sun
When you say “you won’t log” what does that mean
frozen berry
It means it won’t be a good parse
frozen berry
I would assume it would mean upper echelon but yeah idk that’s subjective
frozen berry
I’m a solid purple/orange in my group that’s full of blue/green/grey
jade pulsar
hmm, so is the one time quest dinar available on the 7th or 21st?
frozen berry
21st
jade pulsar
is it mentioned somewhere?
frozen berry
It says puzzling cartels are available in part 2
raw parcel
I know it's expected, but it sure would be nice to be able to buy raid trinkets without having to be a raider. I'm fine doing all 12s for it, that seems fair, but let us just do either the raid or the keys, and not need both.
frozen berry
Which is the 21st
solid sun
So if you start being “unethical” to get your parses higher, like the stuff Brew mentioned, is that frowned upon or is it encouraged?
frozen berry
I’d say if you have it on farm do whatever you want
lusty grotto
So if you start being “unethical” to get your parses higher, like the stuff Brew...
depends
dusky canopy
So if you start being “unethical” to get your parses higher, like the stuff Brew...
Depends
dusky canopy
Uptime and not having to target swap
lusty grotto
yeah
dusky canopy
Also rhino there’s very likely more to it than my yap thats just me forming my own ideas on how it’s done based off watching vods of people better than me lol
dusky canopy
Well yeah that way we can go play remix freely instead of run 30 dungeons
lusty grotto
i think its a good move
mellow bridge
Well yeah that way we can go play remix freely instead of run 30 dungeons
youre just gonna have to do them a bit later
lusty grotto
plus bf6 comes out soon too
and then arc raiders at the end of the month
so uhhh
id rather not be stuck on the same game when those 2 release
dusky canopy
youre just gonna have to do them a bit later
If you as a player want to be as competitive as you can be, “later” isn’t an option
lusty grotto
people without good myth raid drops are gonna get gapped lol
thats the only bad part
dusky canopy
Oh totally
lusty grotto
but at least its hard capped
mellow bridge
If you as a player want to be as competitive as you can be, “later” isn’t an opt...
i dont think youre understanding what im saying
im saying them delaying the crest uncapping just means you have to do the 30 dungeons later and not on patch release
you have to do them anyways
as your 90 crests/week wont be able to pay for any remaining upgrades + extensions
so it just means instead of doing everything on patch release you do it...3 weeks later or w/e it is
dusky canopy
Right right which is a good thing because now we can play remix for 2 weeks
Before doing the 30 dungeons
mellow bridge
ah sure
lusty grotto
you dont really have to spam dungeons
mellow bridge
i guess that's a thing
dusky canopy
Instead of being forced to balance both
lusty grotto
you just up all your runed
mellow bridge
yeah on my main im just gonna upgrade ALL the crests and not have to do a whole lot of stuff
lusty grotto
and the garbage crests under it
dusky canopy
Last turbo boost I think I had to do 17 or 18 +12s after converting everything
lusty grotto
yeah my paladin is fucked
if i dont start this week, at this point i'd rather just not play it lol
dusky canopy
Altoholics suffering from turbo boost no doubt lol
lusty grotto
they should def do something about catching up from 0
like idk double crest gains or some shit until the catch up point
lusty grotto
bleak scaffold
Isn't there a point of upgrades were you get a discount for the warband ?
dusky canopy
Indeed
lusty grotto
it goes down to 10 crest per uppy
dusky canopy
Believe that’s at 720 ilvl for myth
lusty grotto
but we all have it
runed is easy to get
most of us got it a month ago easily
it helps but only spamming dungeons to catch up is a huge time sink regardless
especially from 0
frozen berry
Converting all your old runes/carved etc into gilded on the 21st will also help
Should be able to get like 150+ gilded from that maybe
lusty grotto
yeah we mentioned that
but that doesnt apply to alts
if you havent been playing them
frozen berry
Yeah I’m lucky to keep one character moving, let alone an alt
bleak scaffold
This is the design, it must be time consuming so you are coming back to play an alt or something
frozen berry
How hard is it to pug Loom in mythic to buy antenna from dinars later
plush tendon
How hard is it to pug Loom in mythic to buy antenna from dinars later
not hard, but maybe hard if you are pugging without having already killed said boss
lusty grotto
blizzard was supposed to move past that
plush tendon
without a "in"
bleak scaffold
No debate on that, just the way it is 🙁
The old times ... in the 90s / 2000s when respecting the customer was a thing 🙂
dusky canopy
They say “respect our time” but lbh it’s not a coincidence how they conveniently release shit in a way that makes us resub to get the most out of it
lusty grotto
the whole point of the warband was to move past it
but they literally forgot
about crests
they at least have warbound flightstones so that's no longer a huge deal
on the 21st i mean
dusky canopy
For terminal wow enjoyers like myself the time stuff doesn’t really matter
But they totally do that to get the casual sub for a Month players to sub again and keep playing
dusky canopy
I wish alts weren’t a thing
bleak scaffold
I don't know the stat, but I assume this is the majority of payers (the L is not missing 🙂 )
dusky canopy
Alts being so easy is why this fotm shit exists stg
sharp gale
I wish alts weren’t a thing
I wish FF14 model tbf
frozen berry
My friend group burns out after about 6 weeks anyway
bleak scaffold
Well, as they change the characters and specs so quickly and sometimes it's not just a small change, it makes sense that we can easily come back with a new char for the new season
frozen berry
So there are no alts
main jasper
Am i trolling playing col? I genuinely just do not enjoy thane-in m+
dusky canopy
Idk bro Ja clappa cranks
raw parcel
Am i trolling playing col? I genuinely just do not enjoy thane-in m+
From what I hear, nobody on earth cares about tank DPS except tanks.
dusky canopy
bleak scaffold
I wouldn't say trolling, it's not played at the top level because of the DPS difference
dusky canopy
You want 8m dps BRM or you want 4M dps BRM?
mighty valley
Am i trolling playing col? I genuinely just do not enjoy thane-in m+
the aoe damage isn't that far behind, it's just a good chunk lower in st
bleak scaffold
But it's completely playable for more than just weekly
dusky canopy
You want 2M dps Rsham or 500k dps Rsham
mighty valley
but yeah, if you're not pushing the hardest keys you can, colossus is fine
jagged gust
Grey parses still killed the boss
main jasper
im starting to do 15s and have a crew that wants to push as high as we can so. Maybe i pull more mobs into bosses? i do better on col but i think its a comfort thing?
jagged gust
Pulling into boss is often a strategy, but you need coordination with kicks often, it's a learning curve
And some mobs you don't want with boss, especially nasty consistent aoes you can't control
bleak scaffold
First, as long as you are not limiting your group because of lower DPS there is no real question isn't it ?
Second, Thane is theorically more DPS but you need to play it properly
main jasper
i guess thats true. i just am concerned because everything i see is thane at high lvl.
jagged gust
Because min/max
bleak scaffold
Because at this level they need to get the best out of the char. they are getting 100% either way.
jagged gust
Personally I do love colo, bleed specs make holding aggro a breeze and it's equally tanky just in a different regard
bleak scaffold
I like to storm the shit out in Thane lol, and also setting a bar for the group
a DPS cannot be lower than the tank !
main jasper
Where does dps come from on thane? i feel like i clap as much as possible and my dps is still like. not the same. i did a fg last night and held 15m as col on the opening pull. i just dont know enough i suppose. I know Thane uses execute a lot as well right?
jagged gust
Thane also gens more rage, so if you're not used to it compared to colo you're losing out on those CDR benefits
fathom oasis
send logs and people will be able to tell you if you're doing something wrong
main jasper
is stat prio the same?
lusty grotto
yes
jagged gust
More or less
lusty grotto
its the same
lusty grotto
jagged gust
Okay John McAfee
round pendant
Since no one tried to convince me that means I'm right
dusky canopy
I go back and fourth on it tbh
Timer helps people hit the gas which is good for my play time
But depleting from 15 to 14 because you missed time or died to much?
Ehh like just let me go again I guess idk
round pendant
Timer is good there's just no good reason to not let you just go again
The system scales infinitely there's literally no harm
undone beacon
I heard yall like crest caps
round pendant
Other than degen tactics like getting the perfect first pull
But you just don't have to participate in those groups.
vital vale
how important would you guys say Rallying Cry is for high keys? is it safe to drop it for Overwhelming Rage or Honed Reflexes?
round pendant
It'd ease pug tensions too and you wouldn't hate someone for one mistake
dusky canopy
This is a guess but I think they do it because it helps add people who were able to succeed X level to the pool of players of who haven’t yet
round pendant
You could give them another chance and actually get to know and meet people who aren't quite perfect bots
dusky canopy
Otherwise the “good” crowd would all get to the highest keys and then afk there
round pendant
Yeah but you're forcing those people down who don't want to be there
That just breeds negativity and actual toxicity
"I've already done this and you are all terrible and wasting my time" etc
People will do lower keys just to chill or help people. I've done it
round pendant
Yeah I can't think of an actual good reason
As if it's not punishing enough to lose the time it took to brick the key, it's doubled by having to do it again one lower and hope it upgrades into one you haven't already done lmao
round pendant
how important would you guys say Rallying Cry is for high keys? is it safe to dr...
Rally is hella mid but can literally save a run
vital vale
if no rally is int then what do other tank classes have instead of rally
round pendant
Better oh shit buttons
Lay on hands, cheat, darkness,
Darkness or cheat aren't really oh shit buttons but you get my point
vital vale
not really, i mean what do they have for the team? i guess DK has amz
darkness barely does anything but i guess neither does rally
vital vale
i think you are over shooting its description just a tad
i do feel like rally, despite how crappy it is, does actually save people
but sometimes it just feels like a waste of a talent point
sinful copper
Not mine, but prot warrior did 5.8M on 3rd boss halls.... It's all spell reflect. I didn't realize it did that much. Do you just have a macro that yells don't kick, spell reflecting?
vital vale
Not mine, but prot warrior did 5.8M on 3rd boss halls.... It's all spell reflect...
this is exactly why i wanna drop rally for honed reflexes in halls
and i just tell team not to kick boss before i pull
vital vale
its like 1M extra dps, its fun. but there was more fun reflects in DF season2/4
just know that if you kick the 3rd boss in halls when you got a pwarr tank you are actively sabotaging your timer
unless you know for a fact he has reflect on cd
sinful copper
Then he'll kick it himself maybe
shrewd grove
i do feel like rally, despite how crappy it is, does actually save people
Rally is great bc you can use it as a reaction to damage in things like Dawnbreaker. The damage event on second boss (for instance) you can see if the next pulse is likely to kill someone and rally before it hits. Buys the healer like 2 extra seconds to top someone up
vital vale
Then he'll kick it himself maybe
sometimes, cant have it up for all
shrewd grove
Then he'll kick it himself maybe
That boss does like 0 tank damage, so pwarr can just tank the hit anyway when you dont have kick or reflect up
Its like every third cast
Just SW it and its free
Nothing else to defensive in that fight
round pendant
i think you are over shooting its description just a tad
What makes you say that lmao
sinful copper
Yeah but it's not all targeted on tank right?
vital vale
That boss does like 0 tank damage, so pwarr can just tank the hit anyway when yo...
yeah but some dps players wanna kick to get 5% extra dmg from the talent
so its fine to do it if you see reflect is on cd
something worth tracking for this season
shrewd grove
Yeah, if they're confident go for it. But I dont trust pugs to kick correctly so I just yell "Don't kick the boss at all" and then, inevitably they still kick every cast
sudden canyon
Is there any WA just for tracking ignore pain and shield block? I don’t like the ones like luxtos i prefer the base game skill bar
lusty grotto
you dont need to track IP
undone beacon
I have one i made myself for shits n gigs
lusty grotto
but yes theres plenty of trackers for SB in wago
undone beacon
its pretty easy to make
round pendant
Someone link them my sb charge and buff tracker
round pendant
Ya got me
undone beacon
mods obliterate their femur
round pendant
ripe garnet
im a complete noob is this a good build to follow? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank i dont wanna have to restart im still early on
dusky canopy
- press your buttons
- don't not press your buttons
jagged pier
im a complete noob is this a good build to follow? https://www.wowhead.com/guide...
dont know which one your looking at but yesa
ripe garnet
- press your buttons
- don't not press your buttons
my fingers start to hurt after a while so i gotta rest :/
undone beacon
im a complete noob is this a good build to follow? https://www.wowhead.com/guide...
dont wanna have to restart?
You can swap talents at any time out of combat for freeeee
dusky canopy
Possible classic player?
solid sun
Did you see the new way to do hardcore classic lol
jagged gust
The only winning move is not to play
solid sun
It’s an addon that takes away stuff and adds different stuff. Like instead of a health bar your screen turns to black progressively as you lose health
Last I heard no one had made it to 60 yet with the addon
sudden canyon
but yes theres plenty of trackers for SB in wago
I can’t find a simple WA for this, if you have it would be really nice
fathom oasis
you dont need to track IP
🙂
shrewd grove
shrewd grove
I can’t find a simple WA for this, if you have it would be really nice
^^^^
lusty grotto
I can’t find a simple WA for this, if you have it would be really nice
i use a UI pack, just search wago
you type Shield Block in the search and browse away
exotic glade
Idk where else to ask this, is Triple THreat title gone? If so is it coming back?
exotic glade
Why the actual fuck would they make that one season only lol
What a random decision
formal salmon
Guys in Ara-Kara, during the big spider pull before the 2nd mini-elite, I noticed that if I pull too many spiders my party gets destroyed by poison. Is there a way to mitigate that, or should I just reduce the pull size
lusty grotto
you bring poison dispel
thats it
also the stacks have been nerfed so
idk man
there's nothing you can do as a prot warrior, if that's what youre asking
poison dispelling issue
not ours
bring paladins, monks, druids, shamans with poison totem
and/or evokers
if you bring them and they dont dispel, well, not much you can do
dry skiff
is it just me or So'azmi really throws some unavoidable Shuri ? i couldnt even find a back and forth portal
lusty grotto
idk what shuri is
dry skiff
the Big circle at last boss in street
lusty grotto
thats not called "shuri"
dry skiff
i dunno it says shuri in death log
formal salmon
you bring poison dispel
thxx 🫶 was just wondering if I should stagger the pull to avoid someone getting triple stacked XD but seems like it is a dispel issue :P
dry skiff
i usually find them withing mili seconds, i insta ping the safe portal. but in that ocasion i kept thinking until it hit everyone. either my brain froze or it was unavoidable
lusty grotto
thxx 🫶 was just wondering if I should stagger the pull to avoid someone gettin...
entirely up to you, but i personally dont
no reason to after the nerfs 2 weeks ago
tepid raptor
is there a WA that shows time left on shieldblock?
pallid quiver
i usually find them withing mili seconds, i insta ping the safe portal. but in t...
They'll always be avoidable, but sometimes you need to move fast and multiple times or it gets awkward
tepid raptor
found one but it doesnt show timer and i suck ass on changing WA
lusty grotto
look for another
jagged gust
No time like the present to learn!
pallid quiver
If you're just looking for one to track the duration on SB, it's actually pretty easy to do through the preset aura builder in WA
jagged gust
I'm older than you
shut summit
same
jagged pier
same
tepid raptor
my mind is 80
pallid quiver
sense saying that has the force of someone from the age of the gods themselves or something
shrewd grove
@tepid raptor Use this guide. It takes 5 minutes. Easy peasy
pallid quiver
it's probably the muppet
jagged pier
sense saying that has the force of someone from the age of the gods themselves o...
Sense is eternal 
lusty grotto
im ancient
tepid raptor
im intellectually impaired
lusty grotto
we all are, we're warriors
tepid raptor
but thanks @shrewd grove ill actually try that 😛
tepid raptor
hold up im just alting here tho
pallid quiver
but thanks <@146388399484436480> ill actually try that 😛
Yeah, those pre-made things are what I was mentioning; for any simple duration tracker on an ability or something, you can also just slop one up real fast for yourself
lusty nova
is there a key threshold that is untankable without mythic level raid trinkets?
jagged pier
nope
lusty grotto
no
tepid raptor
dont think so
jagged pier
stop blaming gear and stats. surviving comes from play and group cordination pretty much
tepid raptor
i did gambit 14++ with like 695 ilvl or so
jagged gust
Trinkets generally scale the worse with ilvl compared to the rest of your gear
pallid quiver
is there a key threshold that is untankable without mythic level raid trinkets?
Theoretically, there might be, but the gap between heroic and myth raid trinkets is fairly small. On top of that, your party has most likely been dead multiple key levels before that point.
jagged gust
I sim 1 tar and 5tar at 5mins then feelcraft from there
lusty grotto
5t 5 mins is only for brand sims
if youre gonna sim that long at least do 90s intervals
pallid quiver
the real sim is 7t 12 mins because anytime you have less than 7 mobs, you just chain more in to get back to 7 mobs
ez
jagged gust
Based
undone beacon
I dont play with rogues
lusty grotto
piss your sin rogue off
undone beacon
I need to chain
pallid quiver
piss your sin rogue off
sin rogues aren't "mine"
they're more like some rodent that took over the rafters of your bedroom and you now have to deal with them
lusty nova
thank you, this makes me feel much better. i feel like, if a bdk can do the same key 1 level less, i as a prot war could that same -1 key with heroic trinkets at the very least
undone beacon
why do we humour them by calling them sin rogues. Call them ass rogues
jagged gust
Ass sin
pallid quiver
Yeah, there's not really any gear checks on tanks due to a combination of factors (how damage comes in, the strength of tank specs atm, the gap between key levels, etc)
undone beacon
thank you, this makes me feel much better. i feel like, if a bdk can do the same...
the level of your trinkets matters far less than A) having solid trinkets at all and B) your play
pallid quiver
why do we humour them by calling them sin rogues. Call them ass rogues
because that reminds me of maplestory
undone beacon
Having a myth codex and ticking sac is going to be worse than heroic tome or pace for example
but like, what matters most is play
jagged gust
I'll be honest, I only know ness from the original super smash bros
warm plinth
I'll be honest, I only know ness from the original super smash bros
That's ok. He was made by the same people who made it
solid sun
I too am old
warm plinth
Same though I did a couple dungeons with a dude who was significantly older than I am.
jagged gust
Thems who're the one button rotation was made for
Very fun being able to play with my buddies parents tbh
shrewd grove
Thems who're the one button rotation was made for
Yeah, my sister is disabled and one button rotation has been a godsend for her. Went from barely being able to play for more than an hour to CONSTANTLY pinging me to come run dungeons lol. She has 2 chars pushing 3k rating this season
jagged gust
Turns out inclusivity is a good thing!
shrewd grove
no ppl get mad because ppl with the OAB are doing better than them, so its bad
If I ever get outDPSd by someone using OBR I'm committing Sudoku
jagged pier
i would put money on it u already probably have, maybe not the blizzard one, but the other ones out there
shrewd grove
Idk I'm pwetty cwacked
jagged pier
so are the none blizzard ones (most of the time)
shrewd grove
so are the none blizzard ones (most of the time)
Yeah that's valid
warm plinth
Turns out inclusivity is a good thing!
All the times I've seen posts about OBR on social media have had a bunch of insecure manbabies in the comments talking about how it's "skillless"
Like no shit sherlock; it's not intended to require skill XD
Probably dudes who got outDPSed by it 
bleak scaffold
You mean the moral is that the game, managing CD/Spells, has become so hard, it's a good thing they enabled something to simplify it ?
So they should use it ? :x
warm plinth
I'm scared to use it; my self-esteem is bad enough as it is 😂
bleak scaffold
It's a very good thing for inclusivity obviously, but if like 80% of players are out dpsed by it, maybe the game has became too hard to handle no ? :x
In vanilla, it was ridiculously easy ... 2-3 buttons and move once in a lifetime
and now ...
solid sun
Shoot
If someone out damages me with their one button thingy that’s fine
Making my job easier by killing stuff faster
bleak scaffold
same ... and if OBR is better than me i will just use it and have fun with the gang :x
solid sun
Nah I wouldn’t use it because I wouldn’t find it fun
bleak scaffold
But I find it a bit silly ... making the game so hard that players rely on automated helps ...
lusty grotto
yeah im pretty sure they are aware
thats why they are simplifying specs
slowly
FDK comes to mind
im sure theyll do the others in due time
solid sun
The interviews for midnight apparently revealed talent changes for unholy
So there’s some belief we will see some more simplification when it comes out
torpid dome
hmm late vault, I think I should go for the helm no, helm will be hc > myth upgrade
1h weap I will probably get from Plexus Sentinel at some time...
shrewd grove
I feel like pwarr is in a good spot difficulty wise. Ele sham as well. FDK is good.
They've nailed it on a couple specs for sure
warm plinth
But I find it a bit silly ... making the game so hard that players rely on autom...
They didn't create OBR for simplification; they created it for accessibility. The rotation assist was intended to help players with rotations, but you still have to press everything.
solid sun
I think that was in response to people performing better with the one button even though they don’t need the accessibility feature
bleak scaffold
OBR is One Button Rotation so you press just one button
There is the Rotation Assist too that helps you to press this or that and you still have to press indeed
or I confused the acronyms maybe :x
undone beacon
One Button Rotation is literally one button you can spam that does a basic rotation while increasing your GCD
Roatation Assist does the same rotation as the one-button but instead highlights the next ability on your bar, without the GCD penalty
Neither uses major cooldowns, utility, or defensives
warm plinth
You're the same rotation as the one-button but instead highlights the next ability on your bar, without the GCD penalty
gottem
undone beacon
Its designed as an accessibility feature, not a gameplay replacement
solid sun
Right
frosty mango
Doesn’t rotation assist still have a penalty
solid sun
But I think the simplicity complaint stems from the idea that people could switch to the one button and improve their dps
Potentially indicating that certain specs are too complex
frosty mango
Conversely it could also indicate certain players are really bad
lusty grotto
i talked about this when it was announced
on the many numerous conversations we had in this channel
frosty mango
And now it’s time for another!
solid sun
Conversely it could also indicate certain players are really bad
Or potentially even both!
frosty mango
True and real
lusty grotto
the biggest thing right now that needs to be addressed is skill synergy, or how it synergizes with talents etc, because sometimes it goes well, but sometimes it just results in a pretty heavily bloated priority
with wayyyyyyy too much decision making
like i said back then, the whole oab thing and even the ora can give blizzard an idea on what to target and how
fathom oasis
i think we can just simplify the talents a bit... i'm thinking 7 choices with 3 options each?
solid sun
I remember some videos I believe from last season where it was being discussed that certain specs have buttons that have so many different interactions it’s best to have a weakaura just tell you when to press the button
I believe arcane mage was one such spec
lusty grotto
just look at TWW Arms
by all means its not the most complex one
but look at all the conditions in the Archi guide
solid sun
Yeah tbh if the guide looks like a college thesis I’m out
No interest in navigating all that
How they handled ret and frost DK are promising though
lusty grotto
fury too
even though fury still has some conditional decision making but its very little
shrewd grove
Fury is an absolute fucking joy to play
bleak scaffold
I tried pal ret a little bit, at first looking at the bars i was thinking that I missed something in the book
lusty grotto
and lets not forget BM
bleak scaffold
Seeing my DPS it seemed to be fine :x
jagged gust
Yeah tbh if the guide looks like a college thesis I’m out
The reality is 95% of the time this is the case, it's over explaining a relatively simple rotation
The real villains are the guide writers
solid sun
lol
shrewd grove
The real villains are the guide writers
I've been saying it for years. The real villains are the people who spend dozens of hours helping others. It's so obvious. Wake up sheeple
lusty grotto
guide writers have no fault in having a game complicate a priority system
jagged gust
I mean they're trying to be helpful sure
shrewd grove
They ARE being helpful brother. It's not there fault the rotations are complicated lmao
jagged gust
But most apls could lose half their lines and still function within 95% of their potential
lusty grotto
this is a pretty cracked take Will
shrewd grove
But most apls could lose half their lines and still function within 95% of their...
Even if that was true, the guides are meant for as close to 100% as they can get
jagged gust
And they're the first thing newbies get recommended
solid sun
Don’t guides also have like a beginner section too? Or a “simplified” tab?
lusty grotto
yeah we're well of that
jagged gust
Slammed with 30 lines of priority when you're pressing 3-4 buttons
solid sun
Maybe I’m misremembering
shrewd grove
Slammed with 30 lines of priority when you're pressing 3-4 buttons
What I'm hearing is you can't read
lusty grotto
the APL isnt always copied verbatim to the guides...
jagged gust
I think changing it from beginner to normal, then normal to "advanced" would psychologically be the right move
jagged gust
The root cause being most gamers aren't good at games
lusty grotto
im not sure where youre going with this
solid sun
Why you gotta be mean to me too
lusty grotto
objectively speaking, are you saying WoW doesnt currently have pretty bloated priority systems on a lot of specs?
both can be true at the same time
they aren't mutually exclusive
and honestly you cant really solve skill
for a massive player population
bleak scaffold
It depends of the game's target, what is the crazy difficult game soul thing ?
bleak scaffold
I mean the game is meant to be HARD
So if you say 80% of players are failing, that's fine.
lusty grotto
we're not speaking about difficulty
bleak scaffold
Wow is not designed this way
solid sun
Difficulty is murky anyways
solid sun
Life is hard :(
I think it’s very real and true to say we have some overly complicated and bloated specs for sure
And I think it’s very real that wow attracts many different types of people who have very different goals
lusty grotto
diffy isnt something we're talking about is my point
solid sun
I agree
bleak scaffold
Well wow offers a variety of difficulty with the different modes and m+ lvls.
so it's not the game as a whole
solid sun
But we’re talking about the specs
The vehicles through which you experience the whole of the game
Some people here will tell you that shadow priest is exceptional
bleak scaffold
I don't have the english words to make my point so forget it ^^
shrewd grove
There are some hard specs. There are some piss easy specs. Gotta have both imo
solid sun
But if you invite a shadow priest to your group you’re likely to find someone who woefully underperforms
lusty grotto
sure
solid sun
Some of those are probably because the gamer piloting the spec is just not up to snuff
Some are because shadow priest isn’t easy to figure out
lusty grotto
but you can have hard specs without a bloated decision making priority sytem
bleak scaffold
I understand your point, and I wasn't saying it's wrong 🙂
mighty valley
game design is hard and there are many goals
many types of player to try and engage
when you're making a change to a spec, are you trying to make it deeper and more engaging for longtime players of it
solid sun
You’re already married. I’m not trying to get engaged to you
mighty valley
or are you always gonna try and make sure that people who try it out for the first time aren't overwhelmed
in a perfect world you manage both
but this is not a perfect world
bleak scaffold
And that's why we know we aren't in the matrix!
mighty valley
The tennis one with Zendaya and the Trent Reznor soundtrack
anyway the specific movie doesn't matter, the important part is that the Potion Seller guy is now a real hollywood screenwriter
bleak scaffold
Tennis ? I don't watch Roland Garros already, not gonna watch a movie about it :x
broken beacon
hello ppl i have a question that may seem so simple but a fella told me something that make me doubt about some stuff. he said to me that if you take hits from back those hits kinda ignore some of your armor. that doesnt make any sense to me but wanna know other thoughts. ty
little ermine
Hits from the back don’t ignore armor, but you can’t block, parry nor dodge them
As a tank, it’s the number one thing that should never happen to you
broken beacon
Hits from the back don’t ignore armor, but you can’t block, parry nor dodge them...
yeah thats what i used to know about hits from back since day 1 i started but i just wondered if there is small chance what he said might be true. anyway it doesnt make sense coz armor is armot no matter in which direction it gets hit. thank you for clearfying it ❤️
pulsar herald
do we ever use slam
lusty grotto
no
pulsar herald
great
lusty grotto
we dont use whirlwind either
lusty grotto
and you can remove rend from your binds since thunderclap applies it as long as its talented
pulsar herald
never ever whirlwind?
lusty grotto
no we dont use it
warm plinth
No, never ever whirlwind
pulsar herald
ok cool thats some bloat gone
tribal wharf
i dont come back to wow until they start doing things like removing slam from pwar spell book
flat out
changes in those types of directions
we have slam in spell book, i am never ever coming back.
mystic arch
Is it normal that Thunder Blast isn't my highest damage on 5t without 2p/4p?
undone beacon
This guy just isn’t ready for the 2-handed parry pwar meta
lusty grotto
likely yes
undone beacon
Is it normal that Thunder Blast isn't my highest damage on 5t without 2p/4p?
If you don’t have tier then yeah
mystic arch
Lovely, wanted to make sure I wasn't tremendously messing up the rotation
undone beacon
And triple parry chance for 10 seconds
tribal wharf
literal has to be +400% dmg and maybe talents that buff it
oh okay, so im a bdk now
2h, parry
i mean, thats pretty much it right
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
i like wow and all that but i refuse to comeback to retial with pwar has slam in spell book and in classic hc paladin can learn divine intervention that kills you to petri a raid mate
dead
ass
undone beacon
Guess y’aint coming back to wow cuz that’s a very specific hill to die on habibi
tribal wharf
i am not your love, sorry
undone beacon
D:
tribal wharf
but like, ya, its a bridge too far for me, and it shows where the mindset is at from developers
always has been, but i just cant do it any more
solid sun
I feel like that's just such a weird thing to get hung up about
But everyone is different!
tribal wharf
im just long term frustrated is okay is a me problem
fathom oasis
today, in wow's weirdest takes
man refuses to play the game because spell book has 2 spells too many
crystal gale
Also you like don’t really press slam so who cares
lusty grotto
people getting yogi'd
orchid mural
thats a new one
mystic arch
How much haste would you consider too much haste?
sterile orbit
i think its like 27k haste and 3 stack of itf to make shield block 10s
around there
sterile orbit
i dont come back to wow until they start doing things like removing slam from pw...
isnt slam in the spellbook cause thats ur only ability as a warrior at level 1 prolly why its in there its ur leveling ability until you talent better ones same with like primal strike for shaman
neon elk
Should just get replaced/removed to not confuse people imho
warm plinth
isnt slam in the spellbook cause thats ur only ability as a warrior at level 1 p...
Yeah, but there's precedence like crusader strike that just gets replaced by other things
No reason they couldn't do that with slam and whirlwind
And rend should just be a passive talent that makes tc apply the bleed
solid sun
Maybe we will get a future hero talent that makes us whirlwind
Wouldn't that be fun
Instead of a lightning theme it could be a wind theme and everytime we whirlwind we spawn tornados that move around
prisma crane
tornadoes and blades
cedar iris
Like the ww barb in d3
solid sun
i don't think that's the whirlwind icon
lusty grotto
every 4 gcds too!
dusky canopy
fallen compass
Learning prot and I’m curious, has mastery always been considered a “bad” stat for prot or is that just a this recent tier thing
warm plinth
Mastery has never been a bad stat. Players of this game just have a black and white mentality. E.g. stat isn't best stat, stat must be trash
fallen compass
Ok but it seems to be much weaker than the other options and I’m just curious if that was a recent thing
sharp merlin
I do notice the top tanks are stacking vers more, but shouldn’t ilvl > everything unless it’s haste?
mighty valley
Ok but it seems to be much weaker than the other options and I’m just curious if...
it's been the worst in an "all things equal" situation for many expansions
but people overestimate its weakness by a lot
mighty valley
I do notice the top tanks are stacking vers more, but shouldn’t ilvl > everythin...
top tanks have usually put in the farming time to have the luxury to choose whatever stats they want
sharp merlin
Also first couple of pulls, especially the first pull of streets, what on earth is trucking me?
sharp merlin
top tanks have usually put in the farming time to have the luxury to choose what...
Very true, as someone who is currently catching up, it’s for sure a luxury what they have
mighty valley
when you're gearing up, ya, ilvl > almost everything
nocturne spindle
first pull of streets is just the tank buster and then batton thingy
use defensives when theyre out
very helpful with all the names i forgot
sharp merlin
Hahah all good, I’ll look them up, starting to get to the key range where shit hurts
humble relic
How is antenna for us versus gorger?
if u get on now can jump in for Soulbinder to Fract
neon elk
Very bad
cunning ridge
what makes it so bad?
squestion question i macroed my prism into my avatar i nromally get 809 tacks of pism each avatar i s that a wastetoe do that
lusty grotto
How is antenna for us versus gorger?
what is gorger oh, essence-gorger...
and have you looked at our guides? or simmed?
Both wowhead and icyveins guides have trinket rankings
also... its a delve trinket which means there's no myth track version so if youre only comparing hero tracks then simming is the best way to do that, since the guides only compare ilvl capped trinkets
lusty grotto
how bad is the codex in m_
its absolutely horrible in ALL content
cunning ridge
yes it has ranking but i dont have all the tinkets to pick from
cunning ridge
damn didnt know it was bad
lusty grotto
yes it has ranking but i dont have all the tinkets to pick from
that wasnt a reply to you
the replied message is on top
cunning ridge
at one point for bdk it was like the end all be all and was pretty close to the same for brew
lusty grotto
yes, we're aware
its not for us (and was absolute dogshit for us as well in SL like i mentioned)
and this version is worse than the SL version
cunning ridge
wild they wannabring old stuff back jstu too make it work
lusty grotto
uhhh they brought the dungeon back so why design new items for it?
the whole point is the dungeons, not the items
also to answer your question
even the BDK guide has a thorough explanation
on why specifically its bad
lusty grotto
squestion question i macroed my prism into my avatar i nromally get 809 tacks of...
generally yes its a waste
because you avatar at around 45s
so instead of maxing stacks on it youre just sending it with minimal ramp up
round pendant
if blizz stopped putting bis m+ trinkets in raid I'd never complain about anything ever again
and you guys know me, I LOVE complaining
sharp merlin
in WCL, how do you check how you died?
I have a feeling Shield Block fell off for a split second and I got trucked
but how do you investigate?
round pendant
only 3
obtuse coral
Hey, is the all devouring nucleus good for keys?
ripe garnet
for shields. what stats do i look for? im a complete noob at this
my current shield looks really dopey and i want a cooler one
blazing shuttle
You're not even max level. You don't care about stats, yet.
Plus, when it coems to look, you can use the transmog system.
So no worries on that front.
thick dust
also on your lvl, u shouldnt deffo use slam or whirldwind
as they can be seen on your bars
round pendant
for shields. what stats do i look for? im a complete noob at this
Ilvl > all
ripe garnet
also on your lvl, u shouldnt deffo use slam or whirldwind
i like whirlwind for killing packs of enemies in pve
blazing shuttle
You have revenge for taht
fathom oasis
for shields. what stats do i look for? im a complete noob at this
not even just shield. As you level, ilvl > all
very often you will get an item that grants double or triple the strength of the previous one
ripe garnet
yea thats what ive been doing but my last shield was an eyesore
this one looks a little better atleast
fathom oasis
I am a noob
as a general advice, this number is WAY too low
even if you don't reflect a cast, SR gives flat magic damage reduction, you should be using it a lot
you were taking 4 million ticks from the Pulse dot and you didn't use SR
thick dust
i like whirlwind for killing packs of enemies in pve
U have revenge and tunderclap for it. Pwar doesnt use slam or whirlwind
thick dust
this one looks a little better atleast
As for visuals, mentioned above u can use transmog system which lets u change visual of any piece of gear
sharp merlin
you were taking 4 million ticks from the Pulse dot and you didn't use SR
Thanks!! I’ll keep that in mind ☺️
I haven’t played in a month so jumping right into 14/15 is a bit raw
fathom oasis
4 hits without shield block
from what i'm seeing, you did have shield block on those last few hits, but you were probably not facing the mobs (being hit from the back)
hits 1-4 don't have SB up, but:
- hits 1 and 4 were parried
- hit 3 was naturally blocked
- hit 2 was the only one that you ate to full because of SB downtime
hits 5-7 you DID have SB, but:
- hits 5-6 you didn't block, probably because you had the back to those mobs
- hit 7 was blocked but it was too late
sharp merlin
I miss spell block so much
fathom oasis
notice that the "B:" indicates the damage that was blocked
sharp merlin
Damn
That’s levels on WCL
Thank you for taking the time to look and explain
Helps a lot!!
fathom oasis
happy to help 🙂
late trellis
Why doesn't Violent Outburst get sent on TC in m+?
maiden rover
Hi, is there somewhere like a list of all the abbreviation of the class ? I spent my time rezding all your advice but can't understand like TB TC SS and others ^^'
frozen berry
Why doesn't Violent Outburst get sent on TC in m+?
You send it on Thunder blast not TC
In single you send it on SS
idle mesa
I feel unkillable in every dungeon except streets.. the trash with the proxy strike fucks you up hard in 16+ keys.
fathom oasis
Hi, is there somewhere like a list of all the abbreviation of the class ? I spen...
IP: ignore pain
SS: shield slam
TB: thunderblast (mountain thane-improved thunderclap)
TC: thunderclap
SB: shield block
SR: spell reflect
MT: mountain thane
most are pretty intuitive
maiden rover
most are pretty intuitive
English isn’t my first language so i steel have some problem with abreviation
Is it the only way to block more hit ?
fathom oasis
IP is used rotationally
you don't use IP reactively
it's a recurring conversation on this discord
maiden rover
Ok ! I was using IP to refresh and keep it at maximum
fathom oasis
basically, you IP when rage is at 70+
undone beacon
IP to spend excess rage, maintain shield block uptime, hit people in the face
fathom oasis
EVEN if IP is at its max
maiden rover
Saw that on a feed yes
Ok after it's in my opinion to choose if i have to smooth the dammage with IP or use revenge to deal more dammage ?
fathom oasis
no, revenge is used to reset SS/TB
that's why you keep rage when <70, so you can use it when needed
maiden rover
Ok so it's better to spam revenge if SS and TC aren't up with no proc ?
fathom oasis
yes
usually it's 1 or 2 casts
you don't usually "spam" it
in 1 or 2 casts either TC or SS usually come off CD
maiden rover
Ok ok ! Thank you very much, it will change radically my gameplay lmao
I was like spamming revenge when i feel safier and spam IP when i was in danger
fathom oasis
yeah, remember that we want to generate and spend as much rage as we can, because using rage grants outburst and lowers the CD on Avatar
SS generates the most rage, that's why we prioritize it so much (and there are many talents that make it useful aside from just rage gen)
maiden rover
And SS get better dammage with SB right ?
Want to rush in a key now to try haha
Just timed a 10 with 1s left and i understabd why now 😭
round pendant
Spamming revenge will make you do less damage
Spamming IP will make you die quicker
warm plinth
Morning
dusky canopy
jagged pier
warm plinth
You guys are silly
nocturne spindle
cerulean tusk
sharp merlin
We use Patchwerk 5 bosses, 1 min 30?
warm plinth
For aoe, yes
warm plinth
That seems unlikely unless they're like 3 ilevel apart.
fathom oasis
fully upgraded champ item is the same ilvl as max runed-crest hero item, right?
fathom oasis
i think both are 704
warm plinth
oh, no you're right
fathom oasis
so, yeah, track is irrelevant. Upgrades are what's important
sharp merlin
interesting
maiden rover
Spamming revenge will make you do less damage
I should assume that i don't really understand this part of your text, isn't revenge our AoE best dps ? For IP i understabd that if we spam it, we will dry our rage and won’t be able to SB but for revenge i don’t understand
fathom oasis
I should assume that i don't really understand this part of your text, isn't re...
if you are spamming revenge you arent using SS as much, so you arent getting TB resets as often
TB is the best AoE damage we have
revenge is kinda meh for Mountain Thane
maiden rover
Ok i see, that's why you told me before that generally we put 2 revenge to get the reset of SS and TB
fathom oasis
their CD is already pretty low, and there are many things that can reset SS (our autos being one of them)
that's why you don't usually need more than 1 or 2 revenges before either SS or TC/TB are up
warm plinth
interesting
What ilevel are the items you're comparing?
nocturne spindle
why is this so big
whenever i crop something on my phone it scales it up
warm plinth
I should assume that i don't really understand this part of your text, isn't re...
Are you playing Colossus or Mountain Thane?
nocturne spindle
so now you get huge morning
sharp merlin
704 vs. 710
maiden rover
Are you playing Colossus or Mountain Thane?
Thane, i found it just more fun
warm plinth
Then Revenge hits like a wet noodle and if it's your top dps in aoe, something is very wrong.
fathom oasis
704 vs. 710
how much haste do you have? keep in mind sim may recomend dropping haste in favor of other stats because it doesn't account for the need of having SB uptime
round pendant
Fundamentally you spend rage on defensive or offensive value and you'll get less of both if you generate less or waste rage
ig it's a bit diff for colossus since revenge actually trucks and there's way less risk of wasting rage
but that's why SS takes prio over basically everything
sharp merlin
so with the champ ring it brings my haste down to 23.6k
but before it was 27.5k
but now my vers hasa gone up to 14k, and my crit strike is 12k, and my mastery is 7k
round pendant
personally wouldn't wanna go below 24k haste
fathom oasis
27.5 is a tiiiny bit too much, but i would prefer it over 23.6k
warm plinth
yeah, sounds like it's because of what Nephtus is saying. It's normal for haste to get outsimmed at a certain point for DPS, but that doesn't mean you should drop it.
fathom oasis
26-27k haste feels like the sweet spot
sharp merlin
how about this stat weight now?
maiden rover
Then Revenge hits like a wet noodle and if it's your top dps in aoe, something i...
Ok ty !
sharp merlin
put it up to 26k
round pendant
haste 24-27k, rest is irrelevant
sharp merlin
sweet
I mean i'm keeping sb up
not a huge issue
except for the split second moment lol and then I just kite out
round pendant
why do you have redundant information on your character panel lmao
warm plinth
Stats will literally never be the reason you die unless you're running ItF before you should
sharp merlin
it's some WA lmao
fathom oasis
it's some WA lmao
disable charact sheet info from elvui
it overlaps with chonk
your chonk also seems to be outdated, since it seems to track Undermine instead of Manaforge Omega?
round pendant
I just use BetterCharacterPanel
sharp merlin
oh
sharp merlin
Stats will literally never be the reason you die unless you're running ItF befor...
ITF?
warm plinth
Into the Fray
fathom oasis
put it up to 26k
keep in mind you can always just swap the cloak fiber for a quick stat redistribution that is mostly free
solid sun
I don’t even have 20k haste
sharp merlin
Into the Fray
Ah yes
warm plinth
It doesn't matter if you do 5 targets or 8 targets. The relevant difference should be basically the same since our aoe all does reduced damage beyond 5 targets
dry skiff
Thunderclap applying rend prefers targets without the debuff ? is it random ? how does it work ?
mighty valley
uhhhhhh yeah I think it prefers targets with no rend
it’s not really something you can optimize for so I don’t think about it
tawdry fossil
newer prot tank, how often are yall in battle instead of prot stance
i know obviously for tank busters and shit. but like just large packs or the majority of a raid boss can be in battle right
round pendant
never
unless it's raid
in raid if you're not actively tanking or it's heroic you can go into bstance
in M+ it's basically not worth using bstance
tawdry fossil
word thanks
mighty valley
it’s completely free to go back and forth between them but it’s a lot of damage reduction to give up for just 3% crit
kind of up to each player how much they trust themselves to switch back and forth while other stuff is going on
orchid mural
stay in dstance
blazing shuttle
Going in bstance in M+ sounds like suicide. You lose 20% DR.
mighty valley
they did say raid
undone beacon
in raid bstance andy. in dungeons dstance andy
round pendant
forever chasing the gilded cap on my alt
sinful copper
forever chasing the gilded cap on my alt
U should try having 7 alts 
glass summit
hey, anyone knows someone who crafts sanctified steps on EU?
atomic shore
Guys is there are any update for reflectable WA ??
undone beacon
hey, anyone knows someone who crafts sanctified steps on EU?
Why would you craft those
glass summit
Why would you craft those
you know my bad, they were mentioned under wowheads bis guide but i didnt read the adnotation lol. I play too many alts xdd
round pendant
U should try having 7 alts <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I'm good lmao
kind urchin
Guess I'll be making warrior number 11 when Legion remix comes out.
ripe garnet
is impeding victory important? im trying to find space in my hotkeys
sudden lynx
I think it's nice
You dont need to have it anywhere super accessible though
Kind of rare to press if everything is going like its meant to
ripe garnet
what about storm bolt?
ripe garnet
are any spells here not needed?
round pendant
hamstring, whirlwind
sudden lynx
I dont have whirlwind or hamstring bound
round pendant
also don't need rend bound, since thunderclap applies it
ripe garnet
ok ty that freed up a lot of space
blazing shuttle
Where's your heroic throw?
lusty nova
is impeding victory important? im trying to find space in my hotkeys
I have a charge/impending victory rush macro because you can only do one or the other based on your range
in keys, impending victory s a non trivial heal if things die in a staggered fashion, or while you take damage gathering up a pack while you have impending victory from the last pack
jagged gust
It's kind of the only self heal you have access to outside of pots
undone beacon
It’s a slept on tool for sure
cerulean tusk
are any spells here not needed?
Hamstring, whirlwind, rend. I argue you can drop Rally, pointless ability in 95% cases.
I see no pummel or shockwave, so add that.
You can combine global and off global buttons, that don't share usage space and block eachothers use. Like: charge (ranged) and hamstring (melee). Or: Pummel (melee) and Heroic throw (ranged)
Don't combine buttons that share usability or are specialized tools. So not things like Taunt (ranged) and execute (melee), as you might not want to use taunt as you press exe. Logical stuff.
To sum it up, you can remove 3, add 2, combine 2
fathom oasis
why people be hating on rally
i like to have a button that can at least do something for my party
mighty valley
it used to be insane and now it's not
mighty valley
it's 10% max hp now, it used to be 20%
and even more in shadowlands
there was a conduit that boosted it
mighty valley
remove rally, put skull banner in its place, remove skull banner, put Gun That One Shots Everything in its place
i've iterated on your design
anyway i agree that rally is over-hated these days but points are tight on the class tree and it's especially weak in m+
undone beacon
Good thing we’re getting like three more class tree points
It was 3 class tree, 3 hero talent, and 4 spec tree right?
fathom oasis
remove rally, put skull banner in its place, remove skull banner, put Gun That O...
but there's a 1 in 1000 chance the gun deletes your character
how willing are you to one shot stuff
undone beacon
Okay here me out there’s this talent right and it gives magic DR like a whole 50% but it only has an 8% chance of proccing guys did I cook
mighty valley
It was 3 class tree, 3 hero talent, and 4 spec tree right?
yeah but hero talents and spec tree are being extended so there won't really be choice about where to put those. class tree ain't changing so we can basically pick up everything we care about
fathom oasis
Okay here me out there’s this talent right and it gives magic DR like a whole 50...
8% is such a random chance, too
like, why not 10% at that point
cerulean tusk
Cause it started at an actual impactul 100%
50% DR, is extremely meh as a rando proc effect, at least make it spell reflect the hit or something
Heck, just give us a flat chance to spell reflect hits on us
mighty valley
just think of it as 4% dr for periodic magic damage
fathom oasis
kinda the same as Fight through the Flames
but FttF is better by virtue of being more reliable
mighty valley
balances out in the long run
but it's not like we're rushing to take either talent right
warm plinth
Not having hamstring is crazy smh
lusty grotto
frosty mango
I love ham
I just had a pit ham sandwich
When it comes to the four main meats, ham is obviously the safest choice.
You really can’t mess up a ham
lusty grotto
pineapple ham is so good
frosty mango
Ham in general is legit
You get yourself a nice cured ham, smoke it off on the kettle or smoker, slice it up really thin and put it on a fresh potato roll
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Then you throw a slice of grilled pineapple on there and some vinegar based bbq
Top tier
blazing shuttle
Never had ham & BBQ combo.