protection

[solid sun]

Are you not exaggerating

[frosty mango]

And that pull is a nothingburger with 3 competent melee

[frosty mango]

No you can time any key up to around that level by just walking in a straight line

[steady spruce]

I mean if you roll with people doing high keys that MIGHT be true

[frosty mango]

And if you miss percent just double back

[fathom oasis]

Still need freedom tho right?

[undone beacon]

but roid if my key bricks its because i was pulling too fast or too slow or too aggressively it was my fault

[frosty mango]

You mean like, experts?

[steady spruce]

Nah not caring about route befote 15/16

[fathom oasis]

I cant imagine how fast it'd stack with so many lil ones

[solid sun]

Or you didn’t let people get haste pylons

[warm plinth]

Oh god not the haste pylons

[undone beacon]

i put the haste pylons up my freakin butt i hate them

[frosty mango]

You 100% can w key routes

[undone beacon]

get outta hereeee

[warm plinth]

No 10% haste buff? Bricked. Smh.

[solid sun]

I skip them and get shit for it everytime

[dusky canopy]

I did all 15s with W routes like 3 weeks ago already

[solid sun]

Every. Time

[frosty mango]

Bricks are always due to missed kicks, standing in bad, or dps not pressing defensives

[dusky canopy]

Don’t over think it, we have so much more player power now

[fathom oasis]

I give them 2s of out of combat time

[frosty mango]

You don’t need to really factor in route or dps until 15 ish imo

Floodgate maybe earlier bc that key is booty

[fathom oasis]

If they dont click it within those 2s it's too bad

[undone beacon]

this weekend ill go push resil 15 ez

on the bear though mwahaha

[shrewd grove]

I regularly time 12s with a friend of mine who is unable to beat me in dmg. Keys are free this season

[warm plinth]

Gross

[dusky canopy]

Yuck

[frosty mango]

I’m making an assumption you’re not a complete idiot and have some semblance of a route (which rhino does) but the point I’m trying to make is you don’t need some highly optimized route

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-run-stutter-fast-smug-rave-gif-18430984182494984776

[frosty mango]

So it doesn’t matter, don’t stress

[fathom oasis]

That's a bold assumption

[frosty mango]

I timed a 15 yesterday with a hunter who had 2 kicks and did less dps than me

[warm plinth]

We timed a 14 ara kara with 14 deaths yesterday

🙂

[shrewd grove]

Wtf lol

Thats honestly hilarious

[warm plinth]

Tbf two of those deaths were like right as the last boss died

[steady spruce]

yeah lol

[warm plinth]

But still

[fathom oasis]

If someone dies while timer is below 15s you dont get a time deduction

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[undone beacon]

if someone dies key is bricked /abandon

[warm plinth]

It was at 22 seconds from depleting

After the desths

Deaths

Though idk if the deaths counted as taking place before or after the boss died so the dungeon could've just been finished at that point anyway

[dusky canopy]

People give up way to quickly in keys that are timeable with many deaths

Like sure give up right away in a 18

[warm plinth]

Agreed

[dusky canopy]

Not a 14/15…

[tawdry cloak]

We full wiped first boss of 16 streets, then had 9 other deaths besides, including a dps dead for like half of two bosses. Finished the key only 60s over the timer

[warm plinth]

We did a 14 priory I think where the rdruid wanted to give up right before first boss and we were like nah we can still time. Timed it with like a minute and 4 seconds left. He was like "I'll never doubt again"

[shrewd grove]

At least he owned it. Good on him

[steady spruce]

wich would you replace with tome ? Sacrood ? I have 27% haste rn

[deft mortar]

damn ppl above 3k first 2 weeks were OK

now they are shit

[shrewd grove]

We dont deal in %s. Use the haste rating please. Also, the answer is to

[deft mortar]

I got 24K vers

enjoy this information

[dusky canopy]

[undone beacon]

yeah but how much speed

[deft mortar]

19700 haste

[undone beacon]

not haste

speed

[dusky canopy]

@undone beacon 135% speed gang

[undone beacon]

this guy gets it

My hunter moves at 141% passively hehehe

[bleak scaffold]

That's why I find myself always behind ...

[steady spruce]

Simming right now, but do i need an addon to show haste rating ?

[dusky canopy]

The Crit gem is useless damage it’s just for peak sim number

[shrewd grove]

You just mouse over it on your character sheet in game. Should pop up

[dusky canopy]

Use all the speed giving things

[shrewd grove]

Thanks, I hate it lol

[steady spruce]

i have 22k6 haste rating, (+34%)

Is it too much, it seems too much

[deft mortar]

I aint want more haste than 20K

fk clicking them buttons faster

[shrewd grove]

Nah 22k is fine. You want to be between 21k and 27k

[dusky canopy]

Can you type that number in murica please

[deft mortar]

vers nice chill

[shrewd grove]

You running HR?

[deft mortar]

what is HR

[dusky canopy]

Huge rump

[shrewd grove]

Heavy Repercussions. Choice node with Into the Fray

[deft mortar]

human resources?

[undone beacon]

heavy repurcussions, choice node with into the fray

[deft mortar]

no I run ITF

[sterile orbit]

Heavy Repercussions. Choice node with Into the Fray

[undone beacon]

Actually tis Hunk Report, and the only one listed is @dusky canopy?? Neat

[shrewd grove]

What's your SB uptime in keys with sub 20k haste?

[dusky canopy]

[deft mortar]

above 97% beause bolster 😭

[shrewd grove]

Brother

Lmfao

[dusky canopy]

Only avg hunk

[undone beacon]

This guy runs bolster

[blazing shuttle]

B-bolster?

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crashers-will-ferrell-what-an-idiot-idiot-stupid-gif-5175269

[dusky canopy]

Buh b buh bolster

[cunning moth]

Hey guys i have a question. Been away from the game for 10 years and just started pushing high keys this season. I am watching this Kiratank guy play prot warr in high keys and he is hardspamming IP. Should i ALWAYS prioritze that over revenge? I feel like i press revenge way too much maybe?

I have close to 100% uptime on SB, but my IP uptime is like 70% is that way too low?

Doing 13s and 14s starting to enter 15s now

[shrewd grove]

Revenge ONLY when SS/TB/TC are all on CD

Otherwise IP

Revenge is trash for MT

[undone beacon]

IP is off GCD so its used to dump rage, which we make a lot of in MT hero spec

[dusky canopy]

IP is a tool to spend rage that you would otherwise waste, by over generating

[cunning moth]

Okay

But like what would an average uptime of IP be in a m+ ?

[shrewd grove]

You don't care about IP uptime. You only care about wasted rage

[cunning moth]

Okay okay

[dusky canopy]

You do not care about the uptime of ip

You care about how much rage you wasted

[shrewd grove]

Copycat

[cunning moth]

But if i'm dumping tons of rage into revenge when everything else is on CD

I will never rage rage for IP?

[dusky canopy]

Ope I never read once I start typing haha

[warm plinth]

You're not going to be pressing revenge very often

[shrewd grove]

This will almost never happen

[cunning moth]

I feel like it happens a lot to me

[warm plinth]

A handful of times per minute

[shrewd grove]

Due to 4pc and hero talents

[cunning moth]

hmmm

[shrewd grove]

Logs?

[warm plinth]

Then you are not playing properly

[cunning moth]

I must be doing something wrong

[shrewd grove]

Feel free to log some runs and post in #1347646810457636974

[cunning moth]

I will do that and return to you guys later

Thank you!

Appreciate it

[shrewd grove]

Hard to give a definitive answer without them

[cunning moth]

Never logged anything before

[shrewd grove]

Hell yeah

[shrewd grove]

Just Google Warcraft Logs Uploader and read through it. Very simple to set up

[warm plinth]

Step 1. Download WCL Uploader from http://www.warcraftlogs.com
Step 2. Go into your game options, go to Network, and make sure Advanced Combat Logging is checked
Step 3. Download Loggerhead addon; this will prompt you every time you enter a new area/difficulty and ask if you want to auto log. Other addons do this but this is my preferred one.
Step 4. Once you're done with the dungeon or when you're done running for the night, use the uploader to upload your logs for the night. I usually make sure my game is closed when I do this so that it will let me delete the file right away afterward (since you don't need it once it's online).

[shrewd grove]

This dude is the GOAT. Do this

[cunning moth]

Genuinely love how helpful and nice people are here, no matter how dumb my questions are you all always seem to responds almost immediately with incredible advice everything

Genuinely appreciated

[undone beacon]

Just wait until nim logs on he'll beat u up

[shrewd grove]

We will bully you once you get better. Just a warning 😈

[cunning moth]

Hahahhaha

[cunning moth]

I come from league of legends, i have very tough skin ;)

[warm plinth]

Oh god

[shrewd grove]

Okay, I will bully you in your log review then 😉

[cunning moth]

<3

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-running-explosion-horse-running-explosion-sirlilor-gif-14997074002562156044

[dusky canopy]

ggez

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/gmail-dog-explode-epic-ai-gif-8084634080600183106

[undone beacon]

smh ai animal explosions

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mind-control-gif-27487805

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[frosty mango]

We are the best aren’t we

[frosty mango]

Is this jakeypups?

[jagged pier]

I fucking wish

But no petters allowed, family allergic

[frosty mango]

Sad

Get a hypoallergenic pet

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-cat-cat-grumpy-mad-cat-gif-14976739659298635710

[jagged pier]

that would mean i need money

[frosty mango]

Get a job

Then get a hypoallergenic pet

It’s just one extra step!

[jagged pier]

i have one, have u tried living on a uk salary

[turbid yoke]

Yes or no going +17 keys and onwards

[frosty mango]

No I tell the American govt what they need to improve then they tell other people to do it

[frosty mango]

Imo big value on SOME keys but otherwise no

Priory, floodgate, maybe dawnbreaker

[turbid yoke]

Yeah exactly my thought

[frosty mango]

It also depends on your group and healer - if they do not struggle to live you are just trading damage for nothing

[turbid yoke]

I think i would play it to start get comfortable, im used to 14s and now some friends are dragging me onto 17s

[glacial skiff]

I’ve been looking at logs of other prot warriors in keys and noticed somehow their IP casts are substantially larger than mine. In some cases i’m seeing avg hit being close to double or so. Is there some tech behind gaming IP with the changed brutal vitality talent or something that increases the avg size of IP absorb?

Like letting IP drop completely to gain a larger absorb on first cast etc

[deft mortar]

most of this dont even matter unless you are going 0.1%

even so it may not

[undone beacon]

i've got a long haired orange kitty

shes a menace

[frosty mango]

I believe IP scales with mastery and attack power, but I’m not sure what exactly you’re looking at here

Are you saying when they cast IP it puts a bigger shield or its absorbing more than yours per swing

[hearty cipher]

Sorry if this is the wrong channel for this, but i just saw raider.io dropped a video about routing on halls of atonement in higher keys, the route seems really dumb to me but i also havent done many keys over 12s so i was curious if there were any prot warriors in here that run like stupid high keys that could maybe explain why that route is used for higher keys and if its really necessary to learn to push keys.

[glacial skiff]

Larger shield per cast. At least in logs, though logs does seem to be wrong for prot warrior since it doesn’t seem to correctly track shield charge casts.

[tame bramble]

I have a quiestion. I would like to craft ring. But im not sure what stats should I pick. I just did stat weight for my warrior but it says mastery and versa. What would you recommend for me to do ?

[frosty mango]

Ip is off global, has a static cap, and always does 50%, so the size is the actual cast is largely irrelevant because you can just stack it up

Ip is a damage smoothing tool and as it stands now largely a vehicle to turn rage into violent outburst procs. Trying to minmax it in that way is pointless.

But if you want to know why the shield is large it’s likely because they have higher mastery or attack power when it’s being cast

The shield charge issue is a known bug and has been around forever

[frosty mango]

Can you link it?

I have a pretty good idea of the rationale but I’d need to see the route

[hearty cipher]

https://youtu.be/ElIgUIvQcHI?si=ECjROSqR4ST8HbG9

Pretty sure its the top “expert” route on key gurus too

[shrewd grove]

Load video
They go right side first
Close video

Kidding. Kidding

[mellow bridge]

they literally go left

[tame bramble]

Is there a stat cap for haste and crit ?

[frosty mango]

It’s meant to maximize healing cooldowns and funnel

[hearty cipher]

Glad you said that, i literally just watched the video with my fingers up making the “L” thinking i dont know left from right

[shrewd grove]

I hadn't even clicked the video. It was a bit I swear

Lol

[frosty mango]

This route will ensure the healer has cooldowns for each shard plus the boss, and lets you get a ton of trash into the first boss both for funnel and time efficiency

They don’t explain in detail but looking at the pathing I’m pretty sure that’s the intent

[hearty cipher]

Well like, the complaints i get is why do the collectors in front of the first boss?

[frosty mango]

Cd alignment and efficiency

[frosty mango]

Bc they are free %

[tame bramble]

🙁

[frosty mango]

they have no mechanics and just stand there and die

Why wouldn’t you do them lol

[glacial skiff]

Yeah I understand all that, i’m not prot warrior newbie coming here looking for tooltip description but thanks anyway!

[hearty cipher]

Well i get yelled at cause people are like “halk kills them when he finishes channeling”

[shrewd grove]

Those people are dumb

Tell them to kick rocks

[sterile orbit]

okay but you dont get % when that happens

[tame bramble]

What stats should i put on my ring, just tell me or i will kill myself

[sterile orbit]

so ur talking to noobs

[shrewd grove]

[frosty mango]

Yes and those people are dumb

That’s all you need to know about that

lol

[hearty cipher]

And then another complaint is like why risk pulling mobs past patrols and not just do the patrols? Or like leaving the hound patrol alive when doing halk risking pulling them while moving him

[shrewd grove]

Why would you ever be that far right while doing boss?

[frosty mango]

No one can tell you that you have to sim each stat combo and pick the best

[shrewd grove]

Everyone should be stacked the whole fight

[hearty cipher]

Being new myself thats why im here asking because i trust the route but cant defend it

[frosty mango]

Also don’t say shit like that bc that’s how you get banned

[cunning moth]

hey so i got logs from a dungeon if y'all wanted to rip me a new one and tell me what i'm doing wrong and if i should cast IP more or revenge less etc

@shrewd grove

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BDxP9vcFCw1HXh3V

[frosty mango]

#1347646810457636974

[cunning moth]

ups

[shrewd grove]

Post in #1347646810457636974 for me boss

[cunning moth]

will go there

sorry

done

[jagged pier]

why u do this to me

IP

revenge too high IP TB/TC too low

everything else fine expect the 53 casts of heroic throw??????

[cunning moth]

It's when i'm chaining mobs into other rooms heh. Then i just let them run after me while dps finish and i run to next pack

[jagged pier]

eh just press execute

and charge to the next packs

[cunning moth]

okay thank you

[jagged pier]

but u need to spend your rage

thats ummm an amount of wasted rage

[cunning moth]

Maybe if i swap my revenge and IP keybinds i'll press revenge less and IP more

[jagged pier]

stop using revenge to do it

just send IP, revenge is literally just to fill gaps and reset SS

thats its only use

[cunning moth]

Okay thank you

But i don't understand

Why SS has higher prio than revenge in aoe packs

[jagged pier]

because it does more damage

and

rage gen

rage gen

rage gen

this whole class is rage gen

if u have a chance to gen rage and u dont take it u are loosing the usefulness of the spec

[cunning moth]

okay

It's such a muscle memory for me to spam revenge. I will try to press it way less

Appreciate the help

[jagged gust]

Granted you could play colossus and revenge to your heart's content

[cerulean tusk]

Ya don't throw 1-2 heroic throws as ya run at things? Smh, ya fallen off

[jagged gust]

At the cost of lower overall damage compare to thane

[jagged pier]

once but not 53 times over a key

mainly because i run execute spec so im still in the pack

executing

[cerulean tusk]

Tsk tsk Tsk

[frosty mango]

Yes plz this is me

[pastel trout]

How do you log your keys like that?

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine not being heroic

[bold shard]

omg that frog is executing someone

[cerulean tusk]

Standard combat logging

[jagged gust]

Sometimes I'll watch as SB drops as I'm spamming execute and think "good luck healer, you'll need it"

[frosty mango]

Dps pinging next pack while I furiously execute the one single mob with 10% hp left

[jagged pier]

if something gets pinged by a dps

i purposly do not pull it

out of spite

[cerulean tusk]

Same

[frosty mango]

lol

[bold shard]

lol 😄

[jagged pier]

if u want to choose the route

[frosty mango]

On brand

[jagged pier]

play a tank

[cerulean tusk]

Worst part is when they pull, and I got to weigh spite Vs wasting time

[frosty mango]

My favorite is when I link a route then half way through the key someone bitches about the route

[cerulean tusk]

Classic

[frosty mango]

Like I linked it to you?

[cerulean tusk]

" why u do this?"
... It was in the route

[bold shard]

others pulling depends on their capability in doing so, if they die, thats on them, but if they are competent I'll roll with it

[hearty cipher]

You expect your group to be able to read mdt?

[frosty mango]

Nah dps should never pull unless I ask

I will ping a dk then ping a mob for them to grip in or ping a hunter and ping a pack for them to Md

But if you go calling audibles I’m gonna let you die

[bold shard]

I agree, but sometimes they are dicks, and I have to weigh leaving the dungeon entirely vs putting up with them

or, sadly, sometimes I get people who just don't speak english

and that isn't their fault

if I could, I'd learn spanish or brazilian or whatever

I'd totally sign up for WoW duolingo

[frosty mango]

Why isn’t it

[bold shard]

I can't expect them to learn english just to play a game

[frosty mango]

You play on American servers you should speak English, just like if we played on Latino servers or Chinese servers I would expect I should know that language

[blazing shuttle]

If you play on an American server, which the main language is English, then... speak English.

[bold shard]

you have a point, I admit

[blazing shuttle]

In Rome, do as the Romans do.

Also, they need basic understanding of some wsords.

Nothing more.

Pull, stop, go, interrupt, BL, etc...

[bold shard]

did you know hunters can have bloodlust on a pet?

its neat

anyways yar you are right

[blazing shuttle]

Well

Yes

That's like common knowledge

[cerulean tusk]

BL, you mean to say heroism?

M+ is an alliance players game

When in Rome...

[blazing shuttle]

The OG is BL

Not Heroism

Thus

You're QWRONG

[harsh trellis]

the new troll in resi ak is to convince the group to pull everything to mini boss and not hit lust.

[cerulean tusk]

Nop, I am qright

[blazing shuttle]

You're wrong

[frosty mango]

I had an mm hunter the other day tell me he can’t lust bc he’s mm

[blazing shuttle]

HAHAHAHA

Hunter brain.

[frosty mango]

I was like wdym just press the button

And he said he didn’t have a pet and I was like bro in your spell book, harriers cry

Blew his mind

[cerulean tusk]

You probably made him quite happy

[hearty cipher]

Ive had the exact same experience with a hunter but its because he was looking for an ability called lust

And couldnt find it

[main thistle]

they should add a achi or title for top 5% on m+. Getting top 0.1% way too insane and there is really no other reason to push after 3k.. the gap between 3k io to title is absolutely insane.. give us a checkpoint

the cutoff is probably going to be resil +20

[jagged pier]

top 10% which is 3kish is atm less than 100,000 characters

thats a tiny amount of the player base

because that includes alts

and thats just europe NA is even less chars

if u have legend u already are top of the top

[paper stump]

I wanna join this subject and say no point to push insanely high at the cost of your health /stress / mental… etc … after all is it just a game and no one cares about it.” With all do respect”. Having 3k+ is more than enough to get some good acheivs/ items /mounts and thats it.

[main thistle]

yeah bro but if you just play consistently throught the season getting legendary is almost free with all the vaults.. its just time spent. getting title you have to have a actual team with brains doing constant pushes throught the weeks

[jagged pier]

its not free tho

its free for you

for majority of the player base like a vast majoirty its really hard

[plush tendon]

Ive always wanted more rewards for M+

especially seasonal TMOG

[main thistle]

might be true..

[main thistle]

hard agree

[plush tendon]

IDC if its the raid mog with a different color scheme

I think someone mentioned we should be getting a currency for dungeons done

that lets you buy mog

or mounts

and maybe even put consumables there to

like invis pots/damage pots/flasks

[formal salmon]

guys should I grab Tome hero ilvl or Hero chest that'll get me to 3/4 tier set items

[jagged pier]

if that system works if its for all lvls of keys

[plush tendon]

yea, just scale currency rewarded on key level

so higher keys give more

[jagged pier]

the problem is blizzard isnt going to put time and effort creating something that like less than 1% are even gunna see

[plush tendon]

make it exponential to

[jagged pier]

we but theyll cap it at 12

[plush tendon]

so like a 2 gives like 2

[jagged pier]

like crests

[plush tendon]

but a 12 would give like 30 or some shit

whatever motivates gamers to game

[main thistle]

Yeah well creating chase content for competive play would get more people to play said content

[plush tendon]

TMOG and mounts are proven motivators

score is very niche

[jagged pier]

blizz are totally happy with ppl dropping in and out when they want, they dont want ppl to feel like they have to grind all the time

like in legion/bfa/sls etc

[plush tendon]

still.... we should get a M+ color variation of the seasonal mog

[jagged pier]

thats not good for the game because ppl are less likely to come back

[undone beacon]

hehe im top of the top 👉 👈

My big brain idea is every 100 io after 3k you get a token to buy a cosmetic weapon set that MATCHES THE FUCKING TIER SET for the season kthanks

[plush tendon]

and weapons to match

[jagged pier]

this is why CMs worked and would work now, they would have to make them harder tho i suppose, as they are actually quite easy

[main thistle]

have people pugged the title? I just dont want to speak to people and only have 1 irl friend playing and that still not a entire team

[undone beacon]

I love having a tauren themed druid set with void tech weapons

[jagged pier]

ppl do ewvery season

[plush tendon]

Im always down for more Challange Mode/Mage Tower content

[jagged pier]

do u want to know what the stongest corrlation stat and title is?

[plush tendon]

people pug title all the time; its really common especially if you do it every seasn

[mighty valley]

"i don't want to speak to people" is always gonna be kind of a problem in the hardest tier of a team-based game

[jagged pier]

its time to play

thats it

if u play more

your more likely to get title

[plush tendon]

people remember you, you add people to friends list

and your group finder is basically filled with people you already know posting keys

[jagged pier]

title would be alot nicer and better to get if streamers didnt exsist

[plush tendon]

but you just hop around groups

[undone beacon]

not true i play way too much but am doodoo garbage

checkmate liberal

[mighty valley]

correlation != causation

or something

[undone beacon]

false correlation is causation

[plush tendon]

the M+ title community is very small

[main thistle]

well its 0.1% of the m+ community

[mighty valley]

damn i've been doing it wrong for a long time

[undone beacon]

and the world revolves around my perceptions of it

[plush tendon]

around 1000 people get title each season

[main thistle]

per region

[plush tendon]

so if you been doing it each season for a while, you start seeing the same people

the place people struggle when pugging for title is if they have never gotten it

or trying to still push into just in title range

[undone beacon]

guys i only need 550 more brewfest tokens and ill have all the new stuff

[main thistle]

so same people at high rating que together? like in league when i play diamond i get the same lobbys often

[plush tendon]

100%

there are so few people up in that range

[sharp gale]

Yes 100% of them, even pug close to the highest, they just jump on discord since they meet each other each key

[plush tendon]

so like, lets say you have a +20 Gambit in the LFG, theres a good chance youll know the qualified people signing up

[main thistle]

yeah well that would help progress i think

[plush tendon]

and you dont really need a group; its just a cessepool of the same title gamers just playing whenever and they just mix and match like its a swingers party

[main thistle]

[slow viper]

guys what stats we are aiming for MT? i know its haste / crit / versa / mast but at what % we are good in each section?

[frosty mango]

Get haste to 25-26k rating

Sim after

Listen to magical robot man

[plush tendon]

25-25k; what a range

XD

[slow viper]

incl flask?

[main thistle]

check murlok.io for rought estimation

[frosty mango]

Doesn’t matter, bc you can just use a diff flask

[frosty mango]

Please don’t

[shrewd grove]

Lmao

[frosty mango]

That just aggregates log info which may or may not provide an accurate picture of what most everyday players should be doing

[lofty warren]

Will fellowship have enough population since it requires game to be bought?

[frosty mango]

You should check out the time travelers discord they will know

For sure

For sure!

[lofty warren]

What's that

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-shh-secret-prank-gif-17131726

[lofty warren]

What is the wowhead for fellowship?

[frosty mango]

I’ll buy it

[mighty valley]

i've seen a lot of accidental double gif posting recently

[frosty mango]

Beta was fun

[mighty valley]

has discord done something stupid

[frosty mango]

Discord mobile is borked

You have to double tap the gif to send but it sends two when you do

[slow viper]

10% Critical Strike +586
24% Haste+13963
34% Mastery+10107
24% Versatility+18728

Thats what murlok.io say 😄

[mighty valley]

very annoying, cool

[frosty mango]

Yes and it would be supremely wrong

So please don’t do that

lol

[slow viper]

ye

[sharp gale]

I sent some double gif, annoying it doesn’t close the window when you send one

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1407179540182339594/Statn.gif

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto please fast forward time so I can raid

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/positive-bear-relax-stay-positive-positive-attitude-gif-5484463

I clicked it once and only once sent

@frosty mango i asked in time Travellers discord but no answer

[frosty mango]

Gotta wait for them to get back to the future

[jagged pier]

nice to still get complimented sometimes

[tight mural]

finally got rid of my last purple parse for hero last night on H dimmy! we pumpin! on to mythic.

[formal salmon]

ples

[undone beacon]

Either option is farmable

You should have like 5 catalyst charges now to get tier

run some 7s for gear

But getting MT tier is turbo priority

[formal salmon]

ty 🫶

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[shrewd grove]

Gzzzzz. Welcome to the club!

[frosty mango]

I ran with you on my hunter, I remember you so you were either great or shit

Gonna go with great

Since you got big dam

[shrewd grove]

Bahahaha

[half jewel]

Imagine dps letting you pad on adds on Soulbinder and Forgeweaver
Our WWs kill it all before I can do much

I mean, thats a good thing but I want to pad!

[tight mural]

wait who was your hunter?

[shrewd grove]

Couldn't be me 😞 and then they keep tunneling one of the soul hunters so we have to split them and lose DPS

[half jewel]

We are working on Myth Soulhunters tonight so we'll see how that goes.

[frosty mango]

Chimichangos

It was last tier I think

I only remember people who are exceptionally good or exceptionally bad

You don’t strike me as bad with good parses so you were prob good lol

[tight mural]

hell yeah, i'll take it. i was fury last tier, just swapped to prot for mfo

[frosty mango]

#1347646810457636974

[eager robin]

is shield block necessary like pro pally needs sor up?

[ruby musk]

I dont know anything about Pallys but SB is important/necessary to keep up.

Not just as a defensive, it boosts the damage of shield slam which is used all the time.

[mighty valley]

yes try and keep it up 100% of the time

[sinful copper]

Wow nice!! What trinkets did u run?

[tight mural]

Mythic tome, and I finally upgraded champ to hero brand yesterday during raid

[round pendant]

You go splat without it

[frosty mango]

I will go a step further and say it is mandatory

if you are in combat without shield block up you will be dying shortly after

[round pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0MERdehKic

Another delulu banger from metro

[solid sun]

who is metro

[round pendant]

OneAzerothTV

the guy in the video

[solid sun]

oh, i thought metro was in the disband

:(

[round pendant]

[hallow quest]

Does protection ever have windows where it cannot cast any rotational abilities due to CD (assuming you don’t want to dump rage into Revenge)? Just hit 80 put on some rubbish gear and practicing on dummies before I jump into low keys, not sure if normal or doing something wrong that I’m waiting for shied slam resets and such, maybe haste problem

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

You should prob be pressing revenge in that situation

[lusty grotto]

there is also no such thing as "assuming you dont want to dump rage into revenge"

you do it if your SS and TC/TB are on cd

period

[round pendant]

if you literally can't press anything you've just screwed up and rage starved yourself

[lusty grotto]

same applies to execute

also assuming youre playing thane

because colossus changes revenge a lot

simple change, but big dam out of it

[hallow quest]

Ok reading guides it felt like revenge was something you pressed as a luxury but I guess not, assumed in dungeons I’d need to be dumping all rage into IP

Suppose it doesn’t help that the dummies don’t hit me back too

[lament osprey]

If I have a myth track belt with socket, do I still want to craft belt? This is in order to keep drawn thread over element focus

[lusty grotto]

not all rage

you use IP at 70+ rage

before that no

doesnt matter if its already on you, or if its capped

if youre starving yourself by spamming IP, youre playing incorrectly

[lusty grotto]

yes you want to craft belt

but feel free to sim vs focus

there are only 3 pure ST fights in the raid

so keep that in mind

tl;dr absolutely not worth keeping focus

[lament osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[warm plinth]

Do i win pool tonight 🤔

[solid sun]

YES

easily

[undone beacon]

swimming is to be enjoyed you cannot win the pool silly goose

[soft cave]

Hey, i am progging nexus king and i am struggling with keeping aggro against a brew on pull, is this normal or is it actually just me doing something completely cooked?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qAbtL9TBhJ6VzkaY this is our pulls from tonight

i just swapped to tank this season cuz our tank stopped so im also new to prot war

[lusty grotto]

can you link a specific one that has the agro loss?

would save us time

[soft cave]

yeah sure give me a second

[steep crest]

how much haste do you guys run completely unbuffed with ITF roughly? i remember seeing something about 23-25k for raid but i cant seem to find the post.

[warm plinth]

Everyone showing up last minute. Guess they don't wanna practice smh

You ideally want at least 21k unbuffed. More is better

[steep crest]

even if it "sims lower" for st?

[soft cave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qAbtL9TBhJ6VzkaY?fight=1

[warm plinth]

Yeah, Sim doesn't care if you drop SB and die

Crit and vers (and possibly mastery) will outsim haste before you should reasonably stop getting haste

Raid is a bit different as you aren't always tanking

[steep crest]

what would you consider too much haste? because i have the gear to get into the 27k ish mark i think

[maiden rover]

Hi do you got like a WA for spell reflect this season ? Like shining spell if i can reflect it ^^

[warm plinth]

I'm around 29k which is a bit on the high side. 27k is typically the line drawn

Where you are fine going for other shit

[steep crest]

what about crit?

[warm plinth]

There are no breakpoints or goals for other stats

Whatever sims best

[steep crest]

super appreciate it!

[warm plinth]

Npnp

[steep crest]

sims had me like sub 20k

[undone beacon]

ah the classic game of billiards

[steep crest]

aand it started feeling kind of bad imo

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'm pretty comfy around 27k. Don't have to think much about usage as long as I'm not sending it as shit is dying or something like that

29k is super chill as a result lol

I had to start changing my enchants and shit because I was over 30k

[warm plinth]

You're the classic game of billiards

Gottem

[lusty grotto]

im not sure, that was a provoke on his part

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qAbtL9TBhJ6VzkaY?fight=1&type=threat

[shrewd grove]

Every log I'm seeing here you only lose threat when he taunts

[lusty grotto]

but also your break down is fucked

why are revenge casts so high

ok i guess its better in other tries

[soft cave]

i lost it here according to my vod at like 11secs, he taunted for the 3rd hit

and he gets the first tank hit because of it

he didnt taunt there

[lusty grotto]

but its right there

logs > all

[soft cave]

at 19 secs its the 3rd tank hit

he has to taunt there

[shrewd grove]

He doesnt have threat in that pull until 19s when he casts provoke

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

[soft cave]

look at the replay, you can see the boss turn to him to do the first tank hit

[lusty grotto]

i trust logs more

[soft cave]

i get that but i can upload the vod for that pull

[blissful pecan]

he does get the first vanquish at 15 sec in

the monk

[shrewd grove]

Without ever having threat. That is fucking bizarre

[blissful pecan]

but I would just change your opener and when you taunt

[lusty grotto]

there isnt even a huge damage change to have a threat swap

hell his damage is even below before it

[shrewd grove]

This seems like a bug

[lusty grotto]

could be

i also checked for BoPs

but nothing

[blissful pecan]

that's a pretty decent gap, this is right before first vanquish

[soft cave]

what can i change there in my opener?

[shrewd grove]

But he didn't have threat so this is irrelevant lol

[lusty grotto]

100% irrelevant

[shrewd grove]

We can give you tips but this wasn't you losing threat, according to the logs brother

[blissful pecan]

but he did get vanquish even if the logs said he didn't have threat

[lusty grotto]

at :19 he has threat

[soft cave]

my plater shows that i lose threat as well

[shrewd grove]

Boss snapped to him, hit the vanquish and immediately went back to Apple

[shrewd grove]

Irrelevant. That isnt threat its a target plate

[blissful pecan]

he taunted it back after the vanquish on the monk

[lusty grotto]

14 seconds in provoke

does that solve this issue?

[shrewd grove]

This is pull 1?

[lusty grotto]

i think it does

[shrewd grove]

I dont see the cast

[lusty grotto]

wipe 21

the one he linked

[shrewd grove]

Ohhh. I was looking at pull 1 somehow

[soft cave]

it does not resolve the issue of pull 1 though

i linked pull 1?

[shrewd grove]

Yeah, okay im not crazy

We're talking pull 1

[lusty grotto]

hmm why the fuck did it swap to 21

[shrewd grove]

Shows Warrior with boss the whole time. No taunt from BrM, but the boss swaps to him

For the Vanquish cast

[lusty grotto]

this is

100%

a threat drop

5 mil over?

[shrewd grove]

Oh ffs yeah thats a gap

[lusty grotto]

yep

[shrewd grove]

Hard for me to zoom on mobile so I didnt see that

[lusty grotto]

that breakdown is also bad

[shrewd grove]

In that case, go look at wowhead opener @soft cave

You are shield charging before Demo Shout and slamming SS while you have 2 stacks of TB up

[lusty grotto]

wheres the avatar

wheres the TB casts

[blissful pecan]

for the opener to help with threat I would delay your taunt until after you use your demo shout and roar, get those up first then taunt and send thunder blast/shield slam in the taunt window

[lusty grotto]

this is not an opener issue

this is an overall gameplay issue

[soft cave]

that makes him not move

[shrewd grove]

This is a rotation issue ye

[shrewd grove]

What

[lusty grotto]

no, pull with taunt

[soft cave]

if i taunt towards the end of the cast, he doesnt move at all

i pull with taunt yeah

[lusty grotto]

pulling with taunt is fine

[soft cave]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vZIMtKHItAIB07b3o8h6H_1vI97aG7ZM/view?usp=sharing

[lusty grotto]

just load up avatar and demo and go ham

[blissful pecan]

I taunt at 5 sec in on that fight and he always moves for me

[late trellis]

Lust pull in streets with double officer + mini, which mob is it that really chunks the war there?

[lusty grotto]

mini applies damage taken debuff

[late trellis]

I see

[shrewd grove]

Why are we double casting revenge here with TC available

[late trellis]

I just fell over there after running through shield walls and demo shout, but we had also buttpulled the two on left

[lusty grotto]

reflect static mace from strongarms

look at our blockable/reflectable sheet

thats pinned and in #protection-faq

and always updated

[soft cave]

look at the link, its a vod i dont think i did bad? at least i dont see it from the pov

[late trellis]

I'll give that a try

[lusty grotto]

dont need to see the vod

[shrewd grove]

You did. Thats a bad opener. You are not doing the rotation correctly

You are at 1.69m DPS during your opener

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS/SD > TC > Execute > Revenge on that fight

yup

[shrewd grove]

You should literally be 3x that at least

[late trellis]

Ahhh I mean in the first room

[lusty grotto]

same thing

reflectables not being reflected

[late trellis]

I was using it on proxy strike but just noticed on the spreadsheet it doesn't do anything

[lusty grotto]

no damage taken debuff

[late trellis]

yea skill issue

[lusty grotto]

nah use it on hard light baton

you wall proxy strike

the MDR from SR will help with proxy

if they happen roughly at the same time

[late trellis]

Oh I see

so if we had 2 security guards doing hard light baton

maybe why I flopped pretty hard?

[lusty grotto]

just SR right off the bat

and then watch ability cd on nameplates

[late trellis]

Got it

[lusty grotto]

and then you hold SR for the next batons

its big damage too

on them

if you wanna really min-max it, just stun to sync like in TJS last boss trash

so that you SR both at the same time

[lusty grotto]

you know we probably could have figured by just looking at the parse

grey vs purple

[graceful mason]

Is there a macro to take tome off and put it back on

to change the buff back

[lusty grotto]

thats not how it works

that just defaults it back to shield which you dont want

you always want to maintain it in sword mode

[shrewd grove]

Ya know, when you say it like that.... lol

[soft cave]

btw thank you for pointing out the opener, i had it in my mind that SS> anything else all the time but i was totally wrong, thanks

[lusty grotto]

SS > all only on outburst in ST

thats it

like i said, its not only an opener issue

its an overall gameplay problem

[small steeple]

I got one

#showtooltip item:219309
/run PickupInventoryItem(14)PutItemInBag(CONTAINER_BAG_OFFSET + 4);C_Timer.After(0.5, function() EquipItemByName(219309, 14) end)

just change the 14 to 13 depending on which trinket slot you got it in

[small steeple]

yes, so when a raid encounter starts, you want shield so it opens with the increased power when you activate it

[lusty grotto]

i see

[graceful mason]

Nice ty

[lusty grotto]

they didnt provide context so i just assumed it was other content related

[small steeple]

what do you mean?

[graceful mason]

exactly what I was asking for

ty

[lusty grotto]

key related, just doesnt seem worth it

[small steeple]

oh god i misread it

lmao I read "nice try"

[lusty grotto]

oh

[graceful mason]

I hate keys :)

[small steeple]

yeah its a raid macro, but you don't run tome in keys generally

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

i def do

[small steeple]

I mean, I do too so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i will say, the heroic pal tier goes fucking hard, especially compared to the warrior one

[lusty grotto]

bro what the fuck

[small steeple]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

fucking goblins making me log my alchemist

[small steeple]

I just take the ones in the gbank on raid day, and just use the cauldron flasks instead

so I got a nice stockpile 😏

[lusty grotto]

i can do that but i just feel bad about using those

[small steeple]

We drop 2 hearty feasts a night, a tier 3 flask cauldron, a tier 3 battle pot cauldron. a flask is nothing compared to those

[lusty grotto]

yeah but im kinda benching so

i do miss some drops

[half jewel]

I almost got given Netherprism cuz I hit the wrong button on RCLC lol

🤡

[warm plinth]

@solid sun pool opponents have been decisively annihilated

[solid sun]

heck yeah, knew you would destroy them. 9 ball?

[warm plinth]

9 and 8

18 points to 2 in 9, 3 games to 0 in 8, including an 8 on the break

[delicate nebula]

for tank trinket, if someone is for example a ret pally and choosing tank as loot spec, can he roll with me or is he consider off spec roll?

[solid sun]

Dang dude. Have you named your poolstick yet

[warm plinth]

Lol no. It matches my name in mpf though: it's pink

[solid sun]

Sick

I think what I'm best at when it comes to pool is missing shots.

It's either that or making fun of myself

[clever heart]

hi friends. 2 questions about prot.
1- does it matter what type of main hand we use ? (sword vs mace or watever).
2- is tome of light simming weird on blood mallet ? or is it just much worse in keys this season?

[mighty valley]

1 - no
2 - it's always been more impressive for boss/prio damage, stat trinkets like seaforium will beat it in overall

[clever heart]

ty friend ! So what trinkets do u prefer in keys ?
Brand + Seaforium ? Idol / Antenna / Arcanocore also look interesting

[next pasture]

does IP DR apply to non IP shields?

[mighty valley]

brand is pretty locked in, the rest is just... if bosses are a problem take tome, otherwise whichever sims best for you out of the ones you mentioned

[clever heart]

makes sense 👍 Again tyty

[solid sun]

Don't let bloodmallet discredit tome imo

Boss and prio damage is important

Overall not as much

[mighty valley]

yeah, whenever i'm simming stuff, i do single target and many target sims

and then make picks based on vibes

[mighty valley]

i don't know what you mean?

[next pasture]

IP grants you 50% dr as long as the shield holds, wondering if you cast IP, and then get chi cocooned for example. then that shield would also take 50% dr

[mighty valley]

i'm not totally sure but i presume 50% of the damage would reduce your IP and the remaining 50% damage would reduce chi cocoon

[solid sun]

Isn't this one of those like full absorbs happen first and partial absorbs happen later

I assume chi cocoon is a full absorb? And if it is then IP and its effects wouldn't combat the damage you're receiving until cocoon is gone?

[next pasture]

yeah idk, i'm just wondering how helpful it is on nexus king

since shields just poof all that damage

[warm plinth]

What Rhino said; full absorbs are consumed before partial absorbs kick in at all

[mighty valley]

damn

[solid sun]

It's okay. You were gone for a bit

[mighty valley]

i feel like i knew that once upon a time

but it doesn't really affect my decision making, so

[solid sun]

Yeah

How do you think chi cocoon feels

Is it moist and leaves you all damp? Is it more like being surrounded in puffy pillows

[mighty valley]

hmmmmmm I think it's kinda oddly neutral temperature and quiet

[solid sun]

Like you're wearing ear muffs?

Dad about to pop off with some language and hits the kids with chi cocoons

[mighty valley]

yeah, you can't hear the boss talking shit to you

[jagged gust]

I'd invite a monk to delves just keep Brann from talking

[undone beacon]

This for sure

Oddly zen, letting blows shrug off you

Then it pops and you’re back into the fray refreshed, like after a nice nap

Araz prog making me sad

People fucking up their knocks

[sharp merlin]

Woo! I’m back and somehow my team didn’t replace me wtf

[undone beacon]

It’s hard to replace perfection Habibi

[oak ivy]

how do you live solo soak M saladbar

i'm in dstance, shield up, IP full stacked, SWall up, and getting 1banged

[heady osprey]

how do tanks getting better with routes? I want to try tanking but really the only thing stopping me is i dont know the best routes for mthic +

[round pendant]

step 1: W Key the dungeons
step 2: look at other peoples routes

what key levels do you normally do as non-tank?

[heady osprey]

oh im doing 16s as dps haha

just wanted to be able to fill another role for friends

[neon elk]

Just do the routes u do as dps then ? And adjust them based on your group and experience, like this pull sux for meeles so im gona split it or we dont have enough kick for that etc etc

[round pendant]

There isn't really a "best" route anyway, depends on comp, players, etc

[neon elk]

Also if u play with friends its hella easier , u can discus who like what pull etc

[round pendant]

just figure out something that isn't complete dog and adjust based on your friends

hardest part honestly is figuring out when to chain

[neon elk]

Gathering a big pull without geting clapped is imho harder, especialy as new tank , pulls like priory or flood

[jovial smelt]

Hey guys,

Just swapping to tank and did my first heroic raid today would anybody mind having a quick look at some logs and just tell me if I'm being an ape/some improvements ect?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T4GzwR2n1CgxPfm9?boss=-2&wipes=2&targetclass=Boss&type=damage-done&start=937259&end=8890333

[fathom oasis]

87% uptime on Shield Block I think is very low for raid

You wasted 5k rage, out of 30k total, which is a lot

[neon elk]

Im on phone so not gona check every detail but outside of rage wasted u also had quite low-ish cpm

[fathom oasis]

Specially when most raid setups use the extra rage max talent

You didn't press execute a single time on demon hunters?

Edit: 13 sudden death procs, no execute casts
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T4GzwR2n1CgxPfm9?type=auras&fight=32&source=1&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24127471802.0.0.Warrior%24true%24233817.0.0.Boss%24false%24281000&ability=52437

Pressed it 5 times on Araz, even though you can cleave off the adds

9 revenges

You are over spending on Ignore Pain, causing you to not use rage on revenge to reset shield slam

Many times you are probably just standing without being able to press buttons as a result

Wait, it's worse than I thought

I'm still just looking at Araz, and Sudden Death procced 17 times but you only used its free execute twice?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T4GzwR2n1CgxPfm9?type=auras&fight=27&start=3265336&end=3523306&source=1&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%24127471802.0.0.Warrior%24true%24233817.0.0.Boss%24false%24281000&ability=52437

You have a talent that lets you execute from 35% hp yet you didnt use your regular executes until the last 2 globals

Didnt use boss specific talents either

I'd fix my interface first, improve SB uptime, bind execute, check the wowhead rotation (specially the part where it talks about SS resetting and when to use IP vs revenge) and look up boss specific talents, probably in that order

@jovial smelt

[sharp merlin]

ahahha ty ty bahahah this made me laugh

[sharp merlin]

agreed, having a friend who storytells you through dungeons, makes a HUGE difference, I never played Shadowlands, so having a friend tell me "During SL we used to pull this pack (ping) and this pack (ping) like this, and for this boss, these are the mechanics, and that is literally the fight" - helps MASSIVELY

[grizzled orbit]

how do u guys pull ARA first pull, just run tho the big spider or stop down stairs to get aggro?

[lofty glen]

i have brand trinked so 1st mobs tagged by this, riding into 2nd with TC, shieldcharge next (for deff), charge next with clapp, charge next wit clap, leap last platform and pulling all

never had aggro problems. did it on 14

[lone current]

If you're having aggro trouble you can always pop a Potion of Shocking Disclosure too, might help in pugs

[frosty mango]

this is the best pug fight ive ever seen

please tell me its someone here

[twin hill]

average hunter - druid interaction

[frosty mango]

its the druids key, ak 16, were at the last boss, key is in the bag

hunter dies 4 times

he says the druid followed him with the dispel and dispelled himself on top of him multiple times to kill him purposely

hunter says he has video

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[frank surge]

Any tips on what to craft? considering chest/binding of binding/boots, think chest is best

got enough crests to fully upgrade my myth pieces aswell

been mia for a week

can do it all but will craft first

[frosty mango]

Just sim your options

At your stat breakdowns with that gear I suspect a crit/vers ring would prob sim highest but it would be close with chest

[frank surge]

ty ill do some simming

[frosty mango]

Could be either one

[frank surge]

i just noticed a lot of the top m+ warrs have binding of binding, so i thought maybe it was valued higher than its sim due to the attachnent, on the other hand i believe the +armor of chest upgrade is fairly significant for survival? both of these things i dont believe you can sim?

same for the boots effect

[sharp merlin]

That Roidberg guy sounds familiar

[tardy sequoia]

hi guys, i've noticed that on +12/+13s onward killing mobs takes longer so even doing big pulls timer is a bit tight. any advices on how chain pulling without causing the group to wipe? xD

[cerulean tusk]

Once casters are dead (or others that attack things other than you), you just run into next set of coasters (make sure you interrupt the first set, so ppl get time to retarget)

Doesn't matter if an army of dogs chase after you, as long the hound master is dead

[lime urchin]

friends, for pure M+ tanking, is tome still S-tier? I am not smart enough to understand the damage part completely 😮

[jovial smelt]

Ok thank you for this, I'm definitely just spamming IP so I'll just re-evaluate what I'm pressing for sure, I'll read up on the wowhead guide and tbh I was just sending the generic talents from the faqs

Also with the sudden death proc is there any chance there is a weakaura to ping when a proc happens?

[sinful copper]

Send the video here

[fathom oasis]

It's better for single target, if you have brand of ire

[frosty mango]

He didn’t send it sad

[fathom oasis]

Also there is a weak aura that makes a sound when you have to press it and you can free your brain

[fathom oasis]

Also, check pins for an explanation of how it works

[lime urchin]

oh man I did not check the pins before asking
after all these years here

I know the WA, I have used this trinket before
I was just curious on it's powerlevel in m+

thanks!

[heavy sparrow]

Lmfao

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic fern]

[dire grail]

this has probably been asked before. but whats the best way to pull in casters when doing bigger pulls? Do you just have to rely on ranged kicks?

[sharp gale]

End your pull on the least mobile mob, you can charge kick one dude to move him, you can ping it etc

[dire grail]

yeah I usually try to charge kick 1 and use disrupting shouyt when its up, but other than that I find it hard to group them quickly

so I end up running awkwardly between a couple grouped mobs trying to kick / stun etc 😛

[sharp gale]

If you have 3 casters, it is a very dangerous/scary pull, it can be stressful yes

There is a lot of pack configurations, with time and practice you will know how to do it dw

[round pendant]

People listen to your pings?

I ping some caster in narnia and it just gets ignored

[sharp gale]

I have not tank a lot this season, but they usually comply to pings on houndmaster or far caster

[wooden spruce]

guys...I deserve capital punishment

this season I went ppally after the trailer of midnight but sadly I couldn't hold aggro against our dh off tank and even had some issues with defensives outside bubble

after a ton of wipes I said "let me check how it goes with my warr".......thing is we got Dimensius and my warr was pushing 800k more dps thank my pally and never went down 60% hp compared to my pally closing to 20% hp and struggling on defensives

So I'm once again going warr

Forgive me Varyan, forgive me Saurfang, I should have never rerolled

(damn warrs are strong this season)

[dire grail]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[bleak scaffold]

I mean at some point you have to try and chech the logs 😉

[somber hollow]

yeah, also started this season as prot pally and damn it was wild switching to war, almost felt like i was unkillable

[umbral beacon]

Hey everyone. I'm kinda new to Prot, but finding it really fun. Just wondering two things, if anyone can let me know. Is it worth crafting a 720 ilvl shield? I have a 704 ilvl Axe that can be upgraded to 710, but the shield is Veteran 691.

And the second is, is it possible to always have shield block up? At current 39% (Unsure how I have so much), its cooldown is 11 seconds. Or is it not required?

[pallid quiver]

Shield ilvl is the only source of block value from gear, which is the thing that makes block actually reduce damage. So ilvl is the most important stat on shields, just like weapons (due to weapon damage for weps)

And for SB uptime, you should aim for 100% effective uptime, so blocking 100% of the time when taking damage. There's multiple sources of SB that aren't just pressing SB (the most notable one is Shield Charge; there's a total of 4 SB talents on the tree, of which you should always have at least 3). Due note this isn't 100% pure uptime; it's only blocking everything you should be blocking. In practice, you can be blocking 90-95% of hits coming in

[umbral beacon]

So it is worth then. Most of my gear is still in champion tier, so heard weapons are most important to craft first. Then will give it a go. Also I was quite convinced SB blocked all damage, there has been instances I went there and didnt saw the health bar moving. Was what actually made me fall in love with the spec. 😅

And still is even if it doesn't block all.

[lofty warren]

Sims for 12.0 Oct 3?

[half badger]

hello 🙂 I'm new to war, does spell reflect work as magic dr besides actual reflecting targeted spell? can I use it as defensive for magic tank busters?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, gives like 25? percent DR

[half badger]

ye tooltip says 25% magic dr, just wanted to make sure it works as described

[frank surge]

idk if this is the right place to ask but can any1 craft me a 720 chest for a tip? my server is dead as f00k

[idle mesa]

Guys I just died on the first pull on streets..wtf that miniboss does so much tank damage???

was a 16 key

[viscid lantern]

I usually start tanking at bossfights and when we're about to switch with the other tank (DH) i have to stop attacking for like 5-10 secs in order not to overaggro boss back to me and fk up the stacks. How you fellow tankers handle this when you want to parse on a farm encounter?

[pallid quiver]

It was almost certainly this:

[idle mesa]

Yep

my dbm didnt show that a tank frontal was coming for some reason

[exotic flower]

find a co tank that presses their buttons

failing that, suppose they can taunt on CD while they are holding boss

[stuck coral]

Hello mate, i have some issue on Nexus King fight in mythic, do you have some tips for the group soak placement i have alot of difficult to see and calculate the beam direction, it's cost us many pulls...

[hidden linden]

Phase 1 or later?

[stuck coral]

1

[hidden linden]

Shouldn't be your job to aim those that much, stick with the group then strafe to the soak location, not much you can do tbh

I assume you're not the one solo soaking?

[stuck coral]

DMing

[icy yarrow]

Keep doing dps and assert dominance... eventually ur cotank will learn or will be replaced... win win situation

[wild merlin]

Is the bis list and stats on wowhead correct?

Most people on murlock.io running versa more

[shut vigil]

720 belt over disc, or 720 bracers over random 700 bracers

[fathom oasis]

Id replace bracers first

[shut vigil]

ty!

[warm plinth]

Murlock, like any data aggregation website, is a popularity metric.

[wild merlin]

Yes i know that but if top 50 m+ tanks use mostly versa-crit, wouldn't it makes more sense to trust them?

[warm plinth]

Besides, it states in the guide that the difference between crit and vers is miniscule.

Wdym use vers-crit

Are you talking about gems or enchants or what

[shut vigil]

btw since we are on the topic of stats, how much haste do we need for 100% shield block uptime? 23k?

and after that I'm guessing we no longer care about haste

[dusky canopy]

25k haste gang

[warm plinth]

21k is the bare minimum but you will need to pay close attention to sb management. More will make it smoother.

[shut vigil]

how does that work out anyway? Since at 22k it's an 11 sec cd

and an 8 second buff

is that factoring in shield charge?

[warm plinth]

Shield charge grants shiekd block

Shield*

[shut vigil]

ah I see

[warm plinth]

In extended combat you can still have gaps (albeit brief ones) at higher levels of haste. I have 29k haste and if I'm chain pulling for a while, there are still times where I'm pressing sb as it's coming off cd in order to maintain it.

[shut vigil]

is there a large disadvantage to stacking a lot of haste for high M+?

[warm plinth]

No. Stats are not particularly relevant to success or failure as long as you can maintain shield block.

[shrewd grove]

Your wrist will hurt

[shut vigil]

my wrist already hurts

fair point though

[solid sun]

Apparently elvui just had a huge update

I’d be interested in hearing from our elvui users what they think about it

[dusky canopy]

It did ?

Probably the reason for all the lag last night

[strong vine]

completely new prot warrior here

if i use both stacks of my shield block at the same time, am i wasting one?? or will it stack to 16s

and also, do you guys macro shield block into something else? or do you just manage to press it seperately

[shut vigil]

it should stack to 16s, and you can't really macro it because it uses a ton of rage

you kinda have to plan your rage around shield block cds, at the very least you should aim to never have 2 charges unused

[strong vine]

i saw this macro in this discord and wasn't sure if that's how people were doing it - not really sure how this macro works

oh that's sheild slam

[lime urchin]

That macro snipes your shield slam while pressing ignore pain
You don’t need much other macros

[strong vine]

should i be using that??

or not necessary?

[shut vigil]

oh that's a cool macro

[lime urchin]

Yes you can use it, it’s a nice macro for ignore pain

Don’t use it for shield slam

I repeat

Don’t use it for shield slam

[shut vigil]

don't use it for shield slam cause you'll have no rage ever probably

[strong vine]

fair xD

[shut vigil]

but if you use it for ig pain since ig pain is off gcd it'll auto cast shield slam if it happens to be up when you're pressing ig pain

[strong vine]

okay and as i understand it i just need 100% sheild block uptime?.. if i'm rage starved to i prioritize ignore pain or sheild block?

[shut vigil]

if you're taking melee damage always shield block

[strong vine]

i'm only 708.. but i'm always feeling rage starved is why i ask

[lime urchin]

You will have to play and practice shield block uptime, at least practice having it up while you are being melee’ed

[shut vigil]

shield block does not (to my knowledge?) do anything for magic damage

also having a weak aura to track your ig pain and shield block is really nice

I can export mine for you if you want

[lime urchin]

There is no need to track ignore pain at all

Just use it as a rage spender when at 70+ rage

And you will be fine

[mint knot]

Hello gentlemen. Is there a document with what attacks/abilities we can intervene in m+?

[fathom oasis]

you never cast IP if you are low on rage

[shut vigil]

I just like seeing my ig pain bar

[fathom oasis]

IP is cast when your rage reaches ~70%

[lime urchin]

It’s information bloat to track IP, especially for newer players

[strong vine]

i see top m+ guys using ignore pain like every other spell so i wasn't sure xD

[fathom oasis]

no matter what your current amount of IP you are at

because u get tons of rage

[frosty mango]

Ignore pain is not on the gcd so think of it less as an explicit button and more of a weave

[lime urchin]

Yes because they press so many buttons they have to spam IP to feed the anger management loop

[fathom oasis]

you need to have a pool of rage so you can always use revenge when you want to fish for SS resets

[frosty mango]

You can press IP at the same time as other skills

[shut vigil]

I feel like I waste rage on revenge when I need to save up for ig pain though

[strong vine]

^

i think that's a big problem for me

[frosty mango]

You do not need to save up for ip

[shut vigil]

the tracker just helps me maintain awareness

[fathom oasis]

that's a bad way to think about IP

[lime urchin]

Revenge is not a button we press much as mountain thane

[strong vine]

yeah i'm trying to stop using revenge unless it lights up xD

[lime urchin]

Just press thunderclap and shield slam and spend rage in IP mostly when at +70 rage

[frosty mango]

If you have more than 70 rage you press ip

If you find yourself getting rage started then you are playing incorrectly

[frosty mango]

This is also not true

[lime urchin]

And if you manage not to be rage capped during a whole dungeon run, you are doing a great job

[fathom oasis]

IP is something we generate passively, don't think about it as a button that you press as soon as available, because doing so will mean less SS casts, less rage being generated, less avatars being cast and, in essence, less IP shield

[frosty mango]

Relative to other skills maybe but you will still press revenge reasonably often

[lime urchin]

Yes Roid, I should formulate that better

[fathom oasis]

saving rage so you can revenge when SS and TB/TC are not up is what keeps your rotation flowing, and rage being generated

otherwise you'll rage starve and have to stand still without pressing buttons

that's bad

[strong vine]

I'm so scared to let my IP fall off 😭 as a new tank I am always aiming to have 100% uptime on it but idk if I'm doing it right

[frosty mango]

The wowhead prot guide has a very clear explanation of the rotation - I would recommend readying through that if anyone is struggling

[shut vigil]

revenge is the 4th most common button pretty consistently in top logs

[frosty mango]

Ip isn’t a defensive tool

[fathom oasis]

you generate more total IP by doing your rotation properly

otherwise it's just something short term. You get 10k extra IP now, lose 30k IP in the longer run

[frosty mango]

It’s a vehicle to burn rage which gives you outburst procs which drives damage

Think of the shield component as a bonus

[strong vine]

how!!

oh the free IP you get from thunderclap?

[fathom oasis]

SS is your rage generator

by using revenge when neither SS nor TB/TC are up, you can reset SS and keep generating rage

[strong vine]

wait

revenge resets SS?