That’s 10+ ints from you alone on just one pull
#protection
frosty mango
plush tendon
oh, you including the other stops
yea, Idk how many I get
I just know how many kicks
frosty mango
Yes if we’re talking just details ints I’m usually 50-70
plush tendon
I also dont play fear anymore
I go for the heroic leap CD and move speed
been such a Quality of Life
frosty mango
But my point is paladin isn’t necessarily “better” than warrior
People just look at details and think “big bar more gooder”
plush tendon
idk, I think Paladin is better, but Prot War has a great tool kit for stops
as well
just cause one is 'stronger' doesnt mean the other one isnt strong
but its more subjective
heavy sparrow
Zug zug
lusty grotto
I play fear
frosty mango
If we’re talking group synergy pala def wins bc they have far less Dr overlap
pliant cedar
mind sharing your talents roid?
frosty mango
I play fear as well, it’s insanely good
frosty mango
mind sharing your talents roid?
I use the wowhead weekly builds and just swap the leap talents for fear
pliant cedar
thanks!
frosty mango
And in the push build I swap bsv for massacre though I would not recommend that for everyone
frosty mango
And honestly I will prob flip back to bsv at 17s
lusty grotto
I like going fast especially in AK
frosty mango
Because some of those pulls are sketchy as fuck
heavy sparrow
Can be yeah
plush tendon
I just play the push build everywhere
but I keep the CDR on leap
I like jumping
solid sun
Don’t we have like three target stormbolt again since we’re thane
Whatever that talent is
frosty mango
Uh I don’t run it bc of the increased cd
And I also don’t like syncing shit unless I’m gonna follow up with a disrupt, I can control what I hit with shockwave, stormbolt is indiscriminate
But I think that’s prob personal preference
I also send storm bolt a lot on stragglers or mobs that are about to cast to extend so I can get my kick back up
Like in AK if revolting volley has 9 seconds left and my kick has 11 I’ll stun it so I know I can kick it
plush tendon
yea, the triple stormbolt talent is a bit troll
at least for dungeons
prob nice in 3v3 though?
solid sun
I like it
plush tendon
random stuns are bad
solid sun
It’s ok I’m bad too
plush tendon
we're all bad
frosty mango
^ that’s my primary issue, I don’t want to dr something unless I have a specific purpose like what I outlined above bc then I will dr stun and we may miss a stop
frosty mango
Like shaman and their stupid ass cap totems
plush tendon
frosty mango
Every shaman ever as soon as you get to a pack drops cap totem and I’m like nooooooooooooooooo
plush tendon
^^^^
solid sun
Most of the time everyone else’s stuns are already sent while I’m gathering so
Stormbolt sees little use anyways
plush tendon
yea, just DRing and sending stops for no good reason
then you actually need to stun something and, what do you know, it doesnt work cause they are DRed
greeeeeat
solid sun
Full cast shields in priory
blazing shuttle
Fuck DR;
plush tendon
its why I love the knock up from Col
knock ups are so fucking good for that reason alone
plush tendon
Reason why I miss Colo at times.
I generally prefer Col
blazing shuttle
And yet it remains.
blazing shuttle
Thunder Blast goes brrrrrr.
solid sun
They could still use it but just have the maximum amount of DR on stuns be like a little split second mini stun
So at least it does something
As opposed to just a full resist
plush tendon
yea, if they set a min value on the DR rather then give immunity
Id be onboard
or just have DR affect player characters
not NPCs
solid sun
In other news I think my raid squad accidentally imploded because of life. :(
Maybe no aotc this tier
plush tendon
In other news I think my raid squad accidentally imploded because of life. :(
time to find a new guild
its a long tier, youll get AoTC
I believe
solid sun
The last time I tried to join a guild it was one my friend is in and they declined me because I wanted to dps and all my raid logs are as tank
And they don’t even raid mythic
:(
plush tendon
can also pug heroic at this point
as a DPS
or find a lower end mythic raiding guild
they always need people
just need to go to the recruitment discord
and find one that fits
unfortuantly, it doesnt look like the guid recruitment discord has a section for just AoTC
rain light
it does
plush tendon
but a guild progging 1-2 mythic bosses would prob be around the skill level you are looking for
zenith trench
Hello
lusty grotto
greetings
mint knot
Uhm, am I crazy or does shield charge sometimes bug out when I'm mounted? It goes on cd and does nothing
lusty grotto
while would you use it while mounted
mint knot
Why would I not use it while I'm mounted?
mint knot
Well, in high keys I'd rather have shield block as soon as I enter a pack so they don't yoink me to death or 10% hp
Been using shield charge as an opener for that reason
lusty grotto
or you can just charge + avatar and sb
jagged pier
u can charge SS and SB firs global
mint knot
Not really, depends on the situation, some packs are scattered
lusty grotto
and then SC after since avatar will be up for more dam
mint knot
Arak first pull, PSF first pull, etc
mint knot
Hmm, I'm not touching avatar until I'm planted with all packs within range for max damage
jagged pier
your double charging those pulls which enough for SB on its own
let alone TCing the pack as u go past them
mint knot
u can charge SS and SB firs global
Aye, this seems like a better idea, cheers
The SC bug while mounted still sucks tho.
round pendant
Hmm, I'm not touching avatar until I'm planted with all packs within range for m...
If you do this on every pull you're literally throwing away avatar casts
avatar is such a short cd lol
waxen cradle
Not gonna lie was in a Dawnbreaker last week and charged off my mount on the little ships you have to fly to to kill adds and fell through it... would have been bad but landed on a invisible edge and lived
bold shard
I think that when we use Avatar, we should go bald, and be able to bend the elements of air, earth, fire, and water!
or we should become blue cat people
one or the other
bold shard
awww, but also, lol, that made me lol 😄
desert brook
i know stats arent everything but i was wondering what would be better for defensive value? im currntly creeking into 20% DR on haste so im not 100% sure on the belt craft yet
lusty grotto
what is your rating
cerulean tusk
1.8k, why you ask?
desert brook
current is got to 3k on this guy, ususlly i finish around 3400 to 3500 previous seasons. just trying to see how far i can take the war this time around
lusty grotto
haste rating
desert brook
haste is currently 24k roughly 20% dr
desert brook
awesome. thank you
proper sinew
Perhaps a frequently asked question but I am torn on what to craft for my first item. I have a couple of hero track items but none at myth lvl. I can craft my first 720 piece. What gives the preference?
lusty grotto
- **shield **(unless if you have myth track)
- **weapon **(unless if you have myth track)
- **bracers **(with dawn/dusk)
- **belt **(with dawn/dusk)
primal pagoda
hey, can someone tell me is there any break point in stats when i stop getting haste/crit, i mean there are some higher prot warriors in m+ that take haste + vers?
primal pagoda
okay so i even go over the -10% penalty?
primal pagoda
thx
heavy sparrow
current is got to 3k on this guy, ususlly i finish around 3400 to 3500 previous ...
Any tips to getting to 3400? At that middle point that pug vs. premade makes all the difference
orchid narwhal
Any tips to getting to 3400? At that middle point that pug vs. premade makes all...
Play the game, its not much more than that
The higher you get, the more attempts you need at it
plush tendon
Any tips to getting to 3400? At that middle point that pug vs. premade makes all...
3400 is all 16s and all dungeons are doable in pugs at 16 currently
best thing you can do is have good routing that limits points of error for your team
chilly brook
Any tips to getting to 3400? At that middle point that pug vs. premade makes all...
just do the keys
do your homework on routes
plush tendon
and dont ego pull
urban vortex
how's everyone surviving dailcry when going left? keep getting punked on 16
lusty grotto
we dont go left
late trellis
how's everyone surviving dailcry when going left? keep getting punked on 16
think the oddball that went left in 19 on raiderio took ret paladin and a resto druid that key
for sac / ironbark
urban vortex
how are you guys coordinating kicks in a pug setting with 1st boss going right?
lusty grotto
put a ranged kick on boss
rest rotate Duelmal
if they can kick left side trash, they can kick a single mob
do not put SPs on boss
silence is longer cd than other ranged kicks
urban vortex
SPs?
lusty grotto
but a regular range kick can handle the boss solo (mage/lock/hunter/evoker)
shadow priests
sterile orbit
if i go left i ask for lust on boss else i run out of cds which sucks cause i rather lust the next pack after which is what i do when i go right side
sterile orbit
i agree forsure right is easier
plush tendon
the mini boss on the left side is also cancerous
lusty grotto
this season, hell no
plush tendon
reflective shield is 😮
lusty grotto
yup
sterile orbit
dh dieing to reflective shield due to funnel is pfunny xD
jagged pier
this is why we go right
round pendant
wtf how do I do good damage in raid
parsed a fucking 45
5:20 loomithar kill in heroic tho lmao
everyone sucks
round pendant
tbh I don't know the mechanics
I'm just yoloing it so idk what's actually happening
can't dps properly :^(
nocturne spindle
are you shaman?
round pendant
i was expecting a grey or a green
really slow kill right?
lusty grotto
you didnt know mechanics and are expecting to purple parse?
round pendant
yes
lusty grotto
😬
shrewd grove
Too many revenge. Plenty of other stuff to improve. Post in log reviews and we can deep dive
lusty grotto
sure
plush tendon
check out my unechanted, non-gemmed, undergeared, resto shaman damage parses
shrewd grove
Also, don't d stance Heroic bosses you goober. They do no damage. Just full send in b stance
round pendant
I haven't bothered trying to do good damage on bosses since s1 df
lusty grotto
SD is free though so
round pendant
I hate raiding
plush tendon
im kind of blasting
lusty grotto
it can go either way
shrewd grove
check out my unechanted, non-gemmed, undergeared, resto shaman damage parses
I usually send the SD proc right away. Idk which is correct but its been doing me right so far
lusty grotto
just play SD like arms, and send to not overcap or w/e
shrewd grove
Ye
shrewd grove
That's my thoughts as well
lusty grotto
1 stack? can send SS over it
keep in mind though
execute does hit harder than natty SS
urban vortex
Thanks for the advice re: right side, boys
lusty grotto
they are only tied when SS is outbursted
chilly brook
check out my unechanted, non-gemmed, undergeared, resto shaman damage parses
it's almost like healers are bums and don't press damage buttons
🧺
plush tendon
it's almost like healers are bums and don't press damage buttons
broooo
I know right
this is my first time ever healing
walk into a heroic raid and Im like 'yea bros, im ready to spread Riptide, hit healing wave and pump heals'
but theres literally no damage being taken
I just throw down spirit link once a fight
and hit lightning bolt and lava burst
warm mauve
how high can prot warrior survive left side till on priory
lusty grotto
i swear to christ what is with priory left side today
warm mauve
easier for pugs
just wanna know how high i can go till judgment pierce one shots
im coming from prot paladin
feel alot more invincible so asking if i can do left on priory low keys like 14-15
warm mauve
i dont care for the moans
just want this rat to get 3200 so i can start a real push
when i spend crests
im bing chillin 705 till i max out gilded
coarse bay
feel alot more invincible so asking if i can do left on priory low keys like 14-...
Just try it and let us know, you can probably do it but kind of a clencher, and might not have anything for next pull
hearty cipher
my dps players kept asking to go left, I did it once, they never wanted to go left afterwards
sometimes you gotta let them suffer
(or the healer rather)
coarse bay
Left side is generally slower too
cerulean tusk
i swear to christ what is with priory left side today
Left side is best side
Bring Fury, DH, BM, BDK and a rando healer
dance all the way to timed key
jagged gust
kind urchin
I go left because most people seem to prefer it. It's not even bad. I'm chillin the whole time even in 14's. Health bar doesn't even move.
lusty grotto
nobody dies to fireballs outside of pounces
in anything under 17
so why bother
its not easier for pugs at all
you know whats easy? not having to interrupt a million wizards in trash
warm mauve
17 fireballs indeed one shot your ass
lusty grotto
in anything under 17
warm mauve
playing priory as a paladin is peak torture
coarse bay
How so
warm mauve
judgment
, heavy shoot packs
, consecration always being reapplied
being made of paper
low prio
just not a fun dungeon
robust path
Little help please, have simmed and trinket is higher by a small margin, however i would eventually replace with antenna or buy a pacemaker with dinars whereas the wep i guess i'd never replace vs my current crafted option?
I do clear hard mode + first 2 mythic every week
lusty grotto
why wouldnt you take a free dinar now
boreal heath
coarse bay
Ya idk, i just play right on any tank
lusty grotto
Little help please, have simmed and trinket is higher by a small margin, however...
it can go either way, you do the first 2 so you also have a myth weapon, and only antenna in vault, so i would say pacemaker -- like i mentioned, why wouldn't you want the extra dinar for something else since you can pick it now?
coarse bay
Pally kicks and util keeps random deaths a little lower in pugs
warm mauve
i just think priory is designed poorly
i dunno paladin requires alot of healing
so its not playable with shamans
limits your comp choices
coarse bay
Priory is my least favorite by far, but i have run that dungeon without dks for more than with
I hate sharpshooters
And pally last season sucked because left side
warm mauve
requiring an external as a tank is just poor design tbh
lusty grotto
why are we talking about ppal in a prot warrior channel
warm mauve
priory rabbithole
coarse bay
Idk
lusty grotto
take it to hammer of wrath
robust path
it can go either way, you do the first 2 so you also have a myth weapon, and onl...
ultimately wouldnt i want to replace pacemaker with antenna + keep my ire?
lusty grotto
sure?
but you dont have an antenna
and you dont kill loomi
so youre relying on chance
take the pacemaker
robust path
well i dont see myself not killing loomi at some point
warm mauve
dont we have dinars soon
lusty grotto
you are more likely to get a myth 1h on a plexus kill than a myth pacemaker
warm mauve
turbo boost is coming soon
lusty grotto
dinars dont come out with the patch
warm mauve
sucks
lusty grotto
they are "later on"
warm mauve
once turb o comes out though
bosses become jokes
finding a pug for first 3-4 will be normal like aotc is right now
lusty grotto
sure, except when one has one shot mechs
warm mauve
every boss has one shot mechanics but pugs learn at a normalized pace
tbh ive seen loomi pugs up
and finished
coarse bay
Idk, the pugs ive tried doing 2/8 on alts with cant beat plexus most the time. Wont be any different with gear
lusty grotto
doesnt mean gear magically lets you ignore beams or web breaks
warm mauve
web breaks probably ngl tghey dontg even one shot you rn
coarse bay
Ya, the only ppl pugging 4/8 after dinar are the people that can already do it
paper stump
Guys i know maybe this has been asked before, but whats the optimal sec stats? Cuz i dont wanna go beyond the cap for each one of them. Thank you so luch.
warm mauve
meh im in dimensius hell rn and wont see any other bosses for 2 weeks wish me luck
i go do alt stuff
lusty grotto
Guys i know maybe this has been asked before, but whats the optimal sec stats? C...
the hard stop for haste is 27k, the rest you sim
there's no specific numbers
just sim
and yes sim work for defensiveness
higher sims = more secondaries = more defensiveness
paper stump
the hard stop for haste is 27k, the rest you sim
Cuz i wanna make my first crafted item which is the wrist, and dunno if i got crit/haste or haste/vers and of course the threadt would be the versa
lusty grotto
crit haste
and no the thread wouldnt be versa
it would be whatever sims best between the 2
just sim it
both things
haste + stat
and both dusk/dawn
and go with that
its that simple
paper stump
Would do thats much appreciated. ( still not familiar with advanced simming thats why I asked)
rocky crest
ty
lusty grotto
jagged pier
new pfp 
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
jagged pier
Dw HS will probably return soon, but axe weilding cat 
warm mauve
wtf
neon elk
New jakey pfp before gta6, wild
dusky canopy
ES6 when!?
jagged pier
Never
Cause they need to change so much for it, cause starfield was terrible. They have to design their systems from thw ground up again
dusky canopy
They could use a “modern” Skyrim engine and flop it onto a new world and call it a day
People would go nuts
jagged pier
Nah i mean like they way they do quests the way characters talk to you etc etc, also choice doesnt seem to actually matter too, lioe alot of that needs to change imo.
frosty mango
Bethesda has been coasting on elder scrolls since 3
Every game they make is literally elder scrolls
Just progressively shittier since Skyrim
Like every game the make is just the same game reskinned
Starfield would have been taken as an ok game but they hyped it up so much and then didn’t deliver, they got high on their own supply
olive sable
hey Mates,
Big question, are veteran BIS boots (from raid with the 20% more uptime on reshii) better than BIS stats boots hero track ?
Or are the boots from the raid mandatory ?
prime sphinx
no the reshii effect is minor for tanks
warm mauve
useful in keys doe
olive sable
no the reshii effect is minor for tanks
Seems usefull but pretty useless as 20%.. :/
Thanks for your answers
undone beacon
new pfp <:Pog:618432741234442241>
What the heckin flip
lusty grotto
useful in keys doe
no
lusty grotto
hey Mates,
Big question, are veteran BIS boots (from raid with the 20% more upt...
use higher ilvl always
the only way those are bis is if can myth track em
otherwise, theyre not
olive sable
Oh ok didn't know that, thanks a lot
lofty warren
Fellowship is wow with the bs or a scam?
rain light
what
bold shard
oh i asked this before but i didn't get a response so i will ask again
in delves with brann as dps, should I just spam ignore pain?
how do I keep myself up, besides the obvious like, shield block and demoralizing shout and such?
lusty grotto
no
same way you do in any content
you mitigate
our gameplay does not change between content types
you keep SB up
you face mobs
you press IP at 70+ rage
failing any of the first 2 will result in getting slapped hard
failing the third means your rage play isnt going well, and you wont get as many Avatar/Wall resets or outburst
bold shard
ok, i can do that! thanks Nimchip 😄
frosty mango
Fellowship is wow with the bs or a scam?
Fellowship is basically m+ the game
From my experience it seems to be well done
Granted they basically just stole everything good about m+ from wow but you won’t find me complaining
lofty warren
Fellowship is basically m+ the game
How much are they charging to not have to deal with bs?
There a pay to win thing?
frosty mango
I dunno how much it will be but I don’t think it’s p2w
It had no shop or gacha vibe to it
lusty grotto
its a one time buy, no sub
lofty warren
Not being penalized bc i can't raid seems good. At the very least it may force blizz to respect m+ ppl
lofty warren
If ppl want to buy appearances I'm fine with that just not thay you buy winning
In fellowship if you stun a casting mob will it continue to spam cast?
dusky canopy
I’m a big fan of buy game + appearances shop
Totally fine with that
Subscription model blows
Pay to win blows
arctic marten
Could someone explain how this rage generation source works? Sometimes it generates a lot of rage, while other times, it doesn't generate all that much
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=195707/rage
mighty valley
You get 3 rage every time you take a melee attack but capped at once per second
So it's just gonna be time in combat and length of key that make a difference
shrewd grove
My biggest issue with Fellowship was the server instability, which they will almost definitely be able to fix. The classes are fun and seem fairly balanced, rotations are involved but not insanely challenging, dungeons have fun fights in them. I wish you could queue for specific dungeons without a full group, but that seems to have just been for this playtest, because you used to be able to
shrewd grove
I’m a big fan of buy game + appearances shop
From what I could see, all the cosmetics were earnable via in-game challenges. Obviously, thats subject to change (and I'd be shocked if they didnt add purchaseable cosmetics in the future) but for now, there are none
sinful copper
@frosty mango how far r u in m+ pushing now? U got resil 17? Do u make your own routes or where do u get them? Keystoneguru sucks and threechest has limited and weird routes
Also, is there any benefit to going right in floodgates first pull?
lusty grotto
people go right on floodgate?
lol
but why
i thought that was a week 1/2 thing last season and then never again
sinful copper
To pick up that pack at top of stairs and bring into the normal first pull
sinful copper
But the snipers usually end up pulling cuz of slow people and they pat around. Just wondering if it's like safer on tank or better for route to do that since they're easier for %
lusty grotto
it just means you tag em and wait until they're cleared of the snipers
sinful copper
Yeah not all the way right, but just right path to that platform with the shredinator dude
lusty grotto
the more you pull into the lust pull the bettter time wise
but honestly
you can just pull em in pull 2
if its too uncomfy to do
those fuckers dont hurt at all
sinful copper
Yeah true. My gear is getting so good on my prot warrior. Time to push up this week!
lusty grotto
and there's more than enough mobs to funnel pull 1
at 17s/18s you def want to do them on first pull
just to cut time here and there
warm mauve
flood is a pretty tight timer
dusky canopy
Nims mom has a tight ||timer||
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
sinful copper
I only did 5m DPS on priory 15. Do I suck? Or i need more DPS talents?
frosty mango
<@228540157333078016> how far r u in m+ pushing now? U got resil 17? Do u make y...
Doing 16/17, were on hold till turbo boost
I mostly use the common routes you would consider pug routes, I do modify them slightly depending on comp sometimes but I don’t do anything crazy
The higher the key level the better right gets bc healing the boss aoe is booty at high levels
I do prefer left as a tank but as a healer I prefer and understand why right is just….easier
I am notoriously anti-degen/risky route lol
sinful copper
Nah you're confusing priory and flood. I meant going right to pick up the top of stairs adds into shreddinator
For first pull
frosty mango
Oh
I just drag the shredder with us left lol
But going right and waiting for pack and pulling the shredder is common and imo fine
sinful copper
Ok I'll try it out some more!
mellow bridge
You don't have to wait at all if you're quick
azure crag
Is there a point where you have too much haste?
neon elk
Above 27k its not realy optimal to chase haste anymore and its better to go other stats
past locust
hey is it worth doing normal soul hunters for boots and trinket? Running Myth soleahs and Hero Pacemaker
lusty grotto
of course
past locust
wasnt sure how sims work with taking dmg
lusty grotto
you just need a 5 min sim
late trellis
How do you snap crocs in floodgate before duo?
heavy sparrow
How do you snap crocs in floodgate before duo?
Have party stack at top of stairs, you've already heroic throwed 1 croc and you heroic leap to the top of the stairs and charge into the boss
muted cliff
I have a question.
Does someone have a Macro where u can use thunderclap/thunderblast and demo shout on one button?
lusty grotto
no
that doesnt work
those are 2 gcds
you cant do 2 gcds in the same macro
it'll never work
at best you can cast sequence and you dont want to do that
muted cliff
Which means
shout with slam or ignore pain works?
lusty grotto
slam?
we dont use slam
we use shield slam
you shouldnt have slam in your bars
also dont macro ogcds to gcds if you dont know what youre doing, youre gonna rage starve yourself and thats bad
sinful copper
I think u can still do the IP one with shield slam right? But that's the only one
fathom oasis
IP with SS can be macro'd, but not with the purpose of reducing keybinds
it'd be an additional keybind
you don't want to have SS always dump rage, because sometimes you'll be at 10-20 rage and don't want to spend it on IP
shout "can" be macro'd with IP, but most of the times you press IP you are already on the GCD, so it won't go off
or it'll get queued and feel wonky
sinful copper
No, it's IP macro with SS added to it, not other way around
There's never any harm in pressing IP to rage dump and using a SS proc with it
warm plinth
well, technically it can have a negative impact from time to time since you can trigger an outburst with the IP and immediately consume the outburst with SS
sinful copper
Oh so should I not use the macro anymore? It's carryover from Colossus from last season. Outburst only with thunderclap/blast right?
lusty grotto
I think u can still do the IP one with shield slam right? But that's the only on...
that guy isnt really asking about that
the context seems to be that he wants to reduce keybinds
sinful copper
Oh I see
lusty grotto
im just reading between the lines
he wanted to make a macro with 2gcds, that should be clue to it
or asking about it i mean
sinful copper
There's already not that many keybinds required imo.
fathom oasis
well, technically it can have a negative impact from time to time since you can ...
Also bad when go into avatar, as you want to spend one TB charge before SSing
sinful copper
Yeah but my first global into avatar is always TB anyway
I'd never avatar into IP/SS macro
fathom oasis
Sometimes you avatar while burning rage with IP tho
If CD comes up mid combat
As avatar itself grants a bit of rage
sinful copper
So is it better to not have this macro anymore? Like I said, it's just from when I played Colossus last season. And should I closely track outburst to always use on TB?
fathom oasis
It's less optimal, but if it helps your gameplay and concentrate on other stuff sure
fathom oasis
I track stacks so i kinda know when it's coming
sinful copper
I guess using outburst on SS on a prio target can't be that bad either. Just slightly less overall DPS over course of a key
sinful copper
I'm so excited to keep pushing keys now that my warrior is geared. I feel close to invincible in most cases
warm plinth
I was just saying that it can potentially have a negative, not that you shouldn't use it. It's not the end of the world to send outburst on an SS
sinful copper
Yeah that makes sense
lusty grotto
the only way it sends SS is if you weave late
anyway
meaning at the last half of the gcd timer
if youre quick on your IPs it rarely goes off on resets
cause youre overwriting your queue with a different gcd
its stupidly min maxy though so i dont really care
warm plinth
Agreed
fathom oasis
Dont you run a really low spell queue window, too?
fathom oasis
I mean the rat
warm plinth
Always seemed like a pvp thing to me
lusty grotto
i run 150
i was running 120 but
fury forced me to up it
plus i did consider what Nome said that you should never go below it
sinful copper
I don't change my spell queue window. A lot of the guide writers in other specs told me not to
warm plinth
I remember the first time I saw someone talking about it was Xaryu back in like...MoP or something where you would actually lose the fraction of a GCD needed to chain stuns on rogue
lusty grotto
prot warrior has high apm, so having 100+ping number is acually very beneficial
warm plinth
Hence why PvPers care about it a lot
lusty grotto
i'd imagine it benefits ppal as well
sinful copper
What are the highest apm tanks? Guessing ppal and pwar
lusty grotto
yes
warm plinth
yep
sinful copper
Cuz sotr and IP off gcd
lusty grotto
by far and wide
fathom oasis
The moment i hate spell queue is when an auto resets SS as you were queueing a revenge
fathom oasis
What defines the interval between IPs?
lusty grotto
IP's icd
fathom oasis
0.5s?
sinful copper
For dropping tank puddles in mythic plexus, do u ever drop it behind the wall? Or u just drop in back of room? I think I need to start pugging first 2 mythic for extra gear
sinful copper
Yeah tank bomb
fathom oasis
So max theoretical APM would be 60 (1s GCD) + 60 IP/s + 5 SBs = 125 APM if you had infinite rage
Plus the occasional oGCD defensive you might need
lusty grotto
are you at 27k?
fathom oasis
Yeah
lusty grotto
hmm.. then yeah you should be close
fathom oasis
Char sheet was saying 0.98s GCD when flask went into haste
fathom oasis
Ik ik
warm plinth
0.75 is the cap
fathom oasis
Aah
lusty grotto
oh really?
fathom oasis
That explains why it feels like lust makes me go faster
warm plinth
Yes, half of the base of 1.5
lusty grotto
oh yeah you right
warm plinth
Energy specs are static at 1 second though, with the exception of outlaw rogue during AR
warm plinth
Yeah, I imagine most would hit the point where you'd want something other than haste before you would drop your GCD naturally to sub 1 sec
lusty grotto
yea makes sense
sinful copper
are you at 27k?
Is that a goal, 27k? I think I'm at 26k haste
fathom oasis
I feel like anywhere between 24-27k is fine
lusty grotto
its just the stopping point
it can be within the range nephtus said
if you can manage sb gaps well with 24k that's good enough
round pendant
yeah honestly I barely think about SB at 24k beyond just not wasting it at the end of packs
bold shard
prot warriors should call their rotation a protation
fallow fern
would you guys catalyze this crit/haste chest or keep it as the off tier?
bold shard
would you guys catalyze this crit/haste chest or keep it as the off tier?
congrats dude! you did 8 dungeons
paper stump
Wow you did not do anything from yesterday morning @fallow fern ? I would keep it tbh you never get the dream stats
paper stump
i always overthink stuff.. its a curse
Dont do that. Its really gonna affect your health in general. It is just a game. But again as Nimchip said take chest for all the value you get from and you can farm any accessories later.
fallow fern
Dont do that. Its really gonna affect your health in general. It is just a game....
oh im already sold on that.. just wondering if i catalyst it or not
paper stump
Keep it for now as is if you already have the other 4set imo.
fallow fern
if i keep it i would have to catalyst my pants.. which have the same stats as tier haste/mast
tame jasper
i always overthink stuff.. its a curse
Same here. Got a myth helm in vault I could catalyst over my hero-with-speed one and plexus weapon. Wespon again did not drop yesterday (did only on our first kill where another tank got it) and I‘m not there next wednesday when we kill it for thexsixth time. Now I‘ m stuck in between „any myth helm can come every werk in the three m+ slots vs its a first boss item where I‘m the only person in the raid has need on“
paper stump
I think Dawn and Streets ones are better weapons compared to first in the raid, no? Unless youre unlucky either the vault for the mythic track.
pulsar epoch
guys should i craft neck or ring or upgrade my belt and wrist ? both myth
which one is would be better
wild slate
anyone have a WA to track upcoming dungeon tank busters?
cerulean tusk
I just use a WA timeline
dire grail
Arent we supposed to take shield spec talent? I’m looking at Murlok an arcon builds and none of the top players use this talent ?
sinful copper
im just starting my push in 14's now. have a flood log that was pretty decent if anyone has some time to check for some common mistakes i'm making:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjBcHnhAtMDxR6m1?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=3
would really like to start pushing into 16's next week so want to correct any foundational mistakes
warm plinth
Arent we supposed to take shield spec talent? I’m looking at Murlok an arcon bui...
Goes to show you that doing top keys doesn't make you always right
dire grail
Should I drop battle scarred veteran for it? That also feels really good for noobs like me
Or bloodborne I guess
jagged pier
Bloodbounre
bleak scaffold
In low key usually you only get to trigger Scarred Veteran because you are taking too much damage, that are limited by Shield Spec 🙂
jagged pier
Or just run the push build from wowhead if you are worried about dying
dire grail
Yeah I want a safe build to learn the spec and dungeons
Can always try a dmg spec after
bleak scaffold
im just starting my push in 14's now. have a flood log that was pretty decent if...
Looks like you are already doing pretty good ! I'm just wondering if you spam SS enougth. 307 SS agaisnt 500 TB/TC cumulated.
warm plinth
im just starting my push in 14's now. have a flood log that was pretty decent if...
I'll take a look; might as well since I'm up at 4am for some reason 😭
sinful copper
I'll take a look; might as well since I'm up at 4am for some reason 😭
wooo ty. yeah im thinking i hit too many revenges tbh
hearty cipher
why is your shield slam casts so low
warm plinth
Yes, you are. XD Noticed that immediately.
hearty cipher
does so little damage wtf
jagged pier
im just starting my push in 14's now. have a flood log that was pretty decent if...
Your under pressing SS
Your over pressing revenge
Your underpressing thunder blast and tc
Your wasting a tone of rage
No literally no world should your ss damage cast and damage be, below revenge
sinful copper
yeah true. maybe i just train myself by taking revenge off my bar for a key lol.
bleak scaffold
You need to dump rage into IP and not Revenge ^^
switch the key binds put IP on Revenge 😄
jaunty nimbus
i only press revenge if shield block is up and ip is 100% and im nearing 100 rage
jagged pier
Thats a dps loss as thane
The only time u press revenge is to fish for ss procs as thane
That is it
Otherwise everything else does more damage and has a higher prio
If u are near 100rage u still ip
Because it lets u gain more rage for rage cycling
warm plinth
First pic: rage waste
2nd pic: low blocked hit %
3rd pic: Getting hit in the back
4th pic: Looks like you aren't really monitoring your outburst and are just sending it on what's up
Oh it didn't paste the 4th pic, smh
jagged pier
Eh high 80s is fine this season
I didnt looks a VB but theres enough for him to work on anyways
warm plinth
You're not running shield spec, but you're not running execute build? Makes no sense
jagged pier
Most ppl using it wrong anyway nowadays
sinful copper
i have no clue. i just copied this build
jagged pier
Hed take about 140k less dps a second with shield spec
elfin elk
Did not know you could filter for that like this, good to know ty
warm plinth
<@&257983573498265600>
sinful copper
is 1644 a lot of waste? what's a decent %?
drowsy shale
thoughts on this tiers cheat death trinket
jagged pier
Ill just mention it here agane cause we had this discussion the other day with nomer, u basically only send VB on Tb if its been buffed,
warm plinth
is 1644 a lot of waste? what's a decent %?
In my worst key, my total rage waste was your top line
Yep, and will be more achieveable if you are not spamming revenge
Since you will be dumping mostly off-gcd, especially not playing exe build
dire grail
The only time u press revenge is to fish for ss procs as thane
So only revenge when IP is 100% and TC and SS are on CD is that correct?
warm plinth
IP doesn't matter. You press Revenge when you have no other offensive abilities to press and you are not at risk of overcapping rage
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, you're still going to press Revenge. It's just not going to be one of your top casts. In my 14 flood, I cast it 6.7 times per minute (running exe build, so without exe it would've been a little higher)
dire grail
Yeah ok and in big pulls you’ll generate way more rage so you’ll press revenge less
jagged pier
Thats depends if u got bloodsurge or not
And how mnay targets
U only get 3 rage a second from being hit, ts not like the more mobs hitting you the more rage u get, its locked
Some Bosses do melee slower than that so u will get slightly less on ST but not much
warm plinth
Yeah, it's usually more whether you're in cooldowns or not. And without exe build, your Revenges don't really take the place of Execute 1:1 because you don't prioritize revenge over generators
like you do with exe
dusty echo
do we get fucked if we channel cursed stone idol in m+? like will I just get melted
warm plinth
Depends on what you're fighting I suppose, but it does put you at a bit of a risk while channeling it
Since you can't block for the 1 second you're channeling
(or dodge or parry)
pulsar epoch
guys when reflecting do we get instant %25 reduced mdmg or if we succesfully reflect we get ?
warm plinth
You get the damage reduction for the full 5 seconds. Doesn't matter if you reflect or not.
pulsar epoch
thank you
warm plinth
npnp
indigo hawk
It is possible to play fury as a dps spec when we main prot war ? Even if fury is full mastery and war prot don’t really like it ? Or we are destined to play arm because arm like haste and crit like prot ?
warm plinth
Depends how often you play the DPS spec and how important it is for you to be optimal when playing it.
warm plinth
If you need to be optimal, you can always stat for the DPS spec and you will still be a perfectly viable prot warrior
Especially since both DPS still like haste
indigo hawk
Yeah you are right
warm plinth
ok I'm going back to bed 
still got a couple hours before I need to be up for work 😭
civic night
vestal beacon
Hey,
I've seen a lot of prot warriors being split between Bloodborne+rage generation vs. Sudden Death execute builds in M+ enviro.
Whats the deal here? they perform similar and its just down to players pref ?
indigo hawk
The execute build do more dmg and the rage génération make you more tanky, you çan play both until you reach really high key when you can’t really do the execute build anymore
vestal beacon
Yeah, so you basicaly confirmed to me what i was thinking to myself is happening here.
Thanks bud
indigo hawk
Np
sinful copper
ok I'm going back to bed <:bedge:882323848844963860> still got a couple hours be...
thx for checking my log as well! gnite. im off to bed as well and 3.5 hrs before i have to be up too lol
jaunty nimbus
The execute build do more dmg and the rage génération make you more tanky, you ç...
how big is the dps difference roughly?
lilac ingot
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but do you guys have any advice for me?
I don't raid myth (just tag along for HC clear), so myth track pieces are hard to come by and therefore don't really want to take the trinket. (cause I will miss out on a myth track slot)
The guild will do 1 or 2 more HC clears and then only focus on Myth. No one in the guild needs brand anymore, so if it drops next week or the week after I can have it.
My main focus is M+ 16-17 range now.
Would you guys get the trinket and just lose out on a myth piece/ilvl? But know I will get it for sure before Turbo boost (where I will buy it anyways)
Or get the belt or neck (which isnt that good I dont think) and risk not having the trinket, but having the ilvl. (And probably replace the belt during Turbo boost when I buy cantrip boots n use belt for emblish)
paper stump
There is the BIS belt there. I would take it. I got mine last week with a gem slot got lucky. I mean its your BIS and best stats. I would go with the belt imo. Trinket would be easy later on according to your statement that is, but mythic bis belt is hard to get.
mellow yoke
Not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but do you guys have any advice fo...
You gotta consider
Brand is busted af
I say clear heroic
And see if u get it
paper stump
Totally agree, farming brand some weeks, i finally got it yesterday and man it is always at top 3 most damage in my overall. I always try to hunt rare/hard to get items before anything else.
pulsar epoch
is this talent viable?
mellow yoke
is this talent viable?
Not worth
hollow loom
Hello! 1st pull floodgate, why do I not see more streamer use shield charge on first pack. All I see is charge-clap-move on. Why not SC for the insta SB?
hidden linden
Why would you need it?
You can have SB up after one GCD if need be but as you said, you don't stay in the pack, you move on and gather the rest
eager phoenix
Ignore streamers and do your thang chief
hidden linden
Charge + slam is enough as you edited plus you also get 6 rage from being hit during the span of 1s
But more importantly pulling with shield charge is a net loss of rage
I think that's the more important point
Because you can shield charge in melee range
violet ginkgo
Rage loss because Shield charge can be used at point blank.
So you can Charge > Shield Charge gain rage and gain shield block, you can IP and SS instantly to gain rage and start building IP.
Yep if you open with shield charge instantly you deny yourself extra 20 rage.
jagged pier
U have charge and avatar on first pull of fg
Why shield charge
You just waste rage u can double charge and avatar is enough for sb
sudden canyon
Hi guys i played fury week by week as an alt just for delves and some low keys, actually I’m. 691, what keys should I try to do? 6-7 are doable? I’m not good with warrior atm
clever heart
Does it matter what kind of main hand we use? mace / sword / watever else ??
eager phoenix
could check log to see if any spell is flying through the walls and tagging it
i dont know that. im saying its blizzard game
so something is tagging it
indigo hawk
how big is the dps difference roughly?
Idk sorry and depend on the dungeon
eager phoenix
it won't snap for 0 reason imo. somehow you are managing to engage it but it might not be able to snap before you hit the mini boss room. do you know if it is the gargoyle near 3rd boss or from the courtyard?
if it is near 3rd boss i could see someone sending something flying when the gates open back down as you enter mini boss room
log should tell you what dmg or [non dmg] debuff it took first and at what time stamp. this way you can at least exclude if it is some specific ability that is flying through walls
hidden linden
It's not that far technically speaking, last room is somewhere above 2nd boss. In SL there were some shenanigans with the Ragnaros minipet + paladin thorns on block where you would pull the last boss from there, opening the doors of the last mini-boss room and shrouding past it straight from boss 3 to 4
All that to say that with some z-axis issues it's not that far fetched to pull a gargoyle there imo
humble ferry
I refuse to believe priory right side is better without prot pala and without comms aka coordinated kicks. Am i crazy? People be dying with defs up and blaming route. +17 btw
warm plinth
You can assign kicks without voice chat, but it's rough. Don't have to get to 17 before you just get 1-shot if a fireball goes off, which was always my concern with it
solid sun
You can control how many kicks you need at any one point even going right yeah?
blazing ridge
holy, I really got Brand out of the timeless walking cache xdd
daring marlin
is this game fun
mellow yoke
I refuse to believe priory right side is better without prot pala and without co...
I did a 17 without a cast going off
So idk
Pugs fault ig
lofty glen
what are we doing if we dont find a m+ team and getting ducked by randoms?
trying to time some 14+ but every heal i got was like total dogshit or the dps where to dump to use def cds
shrewd grove
Keep trying. Sometimes you get shit players. Be more picky about who you take in the future
mellow yoke
trying to time some 14+ but every heal i got was like total dogshit or the dps w...
Thats why you push
In the very beginning
While good players push
After that its subpar playets
cold mountain
Do I craft belt and wear it over the proc belt or not yet?
shrewd grove
fathom oasis
If I was to find that every heal I get is bad, I would rethink if I'm playing properly, honestly
warm plinth
I've timed 14s with some fairly sketchy healers. It's rarely one person's fault a key wasn't timed.
fathom oasis
I refuse to believe priory right side is better without prot pala and without co...
Pretty sure left side +17 is straight up suicide
But idk, maybe if the heal is godlike
And with our now-somewhat-higher ilvl allowing dps to live through shield/boss overlap
lofty glen
If I was to find that every heal I get is bad, I would rethink if I'm playing pr...
I dont need heal. Heal and dps are dying like flys in strandard pulls
And if i take a look in details i see that everyone is sitting on ther cds
stray dome
Hi, leveling a prot warrior,. Icy veins seems to suggest Mountain Thane as starter talents. Is that correct or is Colussus better before tier? (primary 5 mans )
fathom oasis
Id just go Thane to get accustomed as you acquire tier
mellow yoke
Id just go Thane to get accustomed as you acquire tier
Thats what i was gonna say
stray dome
allright, thanks!
storm swift
Any rule of thumbs regarding ignore pain?
Like when to press that vs revenge in a bigger pack?
or do you not press revenge in bigger packs at all?
(talking 15+ keys)
trail dome
Guys i'm dumb. I've read the wowhead guide and the icy veins guide. In aoe do you always prio shield slam over tclap, if you dont have tblast? What target counts does it change? I've just been alternating clap and slam but after rereading the guide i'm now thinking maybe i should be prioing spam more.
Slam*
shrewd grove
TB > SS > TC
trail dome
And is that true at high target counts?
shrewd grove
or do you not press revenge in bigger packs at all?
You press Revenge when TB/SS/TC are all on CD and you need a SS reset
shrewd grove
And is that true at high target counts?
Its true at all target counts
trail dome
During avatar also
shrewd grove
During avatar also
Yes
trail dome
Cheers. Thanks.
round pendant
Any rule of thumbs regarding ignore pain?
You press it to prevent rage capping, that's it
Some seasons might have a couple spots where it could be worth pumping it a bit but there's nothing this season tbh
fathom oasis
Like when to press that vs revenge in a bigger pack?
Press IP at 70 rage
The end
SS > TC/TB > revenge otherwise (except if you have 2 charges of TB, in that case press TB to not overcap on TB charges)
fathom oasis
TB > SS > TC
Unless you have 2 charges of TB, it's SS > TB
storm swift
TB?
fathom oasis
Thunderblast
storm swift
Gotcha
fathom oasis
Press IP at 70 rage
Of course the rate at which you generate rage changes from time to time, so pressing IP with the right cadence isnt as easy as it sounds
The theory is quite simple tho
shrewd grove
Unless you have 2 charges of TB, it's SS > TB
Reverse that, right? If you dont have 2 TB charges it's SS > TB to fish the proc. If you have 2 charges of TB then TB is your #1 priority
Oh I read wrong
My b
You right
frosty mango
Grammatical semantics
Depends how you interpret the word unless there
Shröedingers sentence
That’s really interesting usually that doesn’t happen with the word unless
bleak scaffold
words hard 🙁
frosty mango
If you read the unless as a continuation of the last sentence then it’s reverse, but since it’s meant to be a negative conditional unless like “if you do not have 2 charges, then….”
English is poopy
Stuff like this doesn’t happen in most other languages
fathom oasis
Sounded right to me but I'm not a native speaker
shrewd grove
English are dumb
frosty mango
Troo
fathom oasis
English has its quirks but I love it honestly. Verbs are just 1-3 words, no genus, can make any word into a verb, no declinations or whatever
fathom oasis
(It's) Kinda annoying that you have to keep typing out the subject every time, but hey, small price to pay
bleak scaffold
English are dumb
Don't be that hard, not all !
fathom oasis
I cant imagine learning spanish and having to decypher who the fk did what every sentence tbf 
frosty mango
In most other languages it’s abundantly clear what is going on.
English: the girl is in the blue car eating fries.
Spanish: the girl is eating fries in the car blue
The fact the English version is even considered valid structure is crazy
Is the car eating the fries?
bleak scaffold
Could be !
fathom oasis
Spanish: (?) is eating fries in the car blue
Most of the time anyways, unless you are trying to emphasize something
Fun times for people that are starting to learn the language
round pendant
That’s really interesting usually that doesn’t happen with the word unless
I literally can't read it the "wrong" way, help
frosty mango
In Spanish it would it be “ella esta comiendo papas en el cache azul”
frosty mango
I literally can't read it the "wrong" way, help
Because you are native or near native
bleak scaffold
hablo espanol muy bien 🙂
frosty mango
For new speakers it’s a nightmare lol
round pendant
I wanna read it wrong!!
fathom oasis
Usually you would omit the "ella"
frosty mango
Usually you would omit the "ella"
Yeah if it wasn’t the first time it was introduced which makes it even easier
fathom oasis
But depends on what you are trying to convey of course
bleak scaffold
I think it's because of the obvious situation .. a car cannot eat fries .. maybe you have strange cars in your country :x
fathom oasis
Yeah
frosty mango
I think it's because of the obvious situation .. a car cannot eat fries .. maybe...
It was meant to be an extreme example lol
undone beacon
any of these worth picking up for the silly funny? I know nethergate has some funky synergy on bear
I wanna get silly in weeklies
fathom oasis
Naughty
bleak scaffold
It was meant to be an extreme example lol
I know, but a nativ speaker here is a bit stuck on "how can this be wrong or confusing" ^^
But if you are not native and "translating" then ...
round pendant
In most other languages it’s abundantly clear what is going on.
English: the gi...
holy moly she's inside blue fries that eat cars?
blue car-eating fries
round pendant
any of these worth picking up for the silly funny? I know nethergate has some fu...
nethergate uncapped aoe, big dam
I wish it was 90s cd tho
round pendant
I think it's because of the obvious situation .. a car cannot eat fries .. maybe...
I mean if you bring the fries into the car it's kind of consumed them in a way
bleak scaffold
But then the car eats the girl too ! so it's crime ! call the police !!!!!
fathom oasis
I specifically love how German keeps you waiting till the end of a relative sentence before anything makes sense:
Did you know the girl, that yesterday morning in the blue car the fries eating was?
bleak scaffold
Nah, police eat donuts, whatch some tv duh 😉
fathom oasis
Makes for patient folks
bleak scaffold
I'm not german and my wife is already doing this, I don't know what to take out of this though ..
round pendant
I specifically love how German keeps you waiting till the end of a relative sent...
Gotta be the worst language for those with adhd
storm swift
btw do we press execute?
frosty mango
Yes
storm swift
kk
frosty mango
Execute big dam
warm plinth
How much you press it changes based on your talents though
frosty mango
The wowhead guide has a good rotational breakdown for both main spec options
fathom oasis
If we are at 70 rage and have SS up, do we press execute > SS, or IP > SS > execute? I always wonder
IP> SS > execute cycles rage faster, but execute > SS is big dam
I'm guilty of delaying my shield slams a bit in favor of execute when I run cleave execute
Numbers too big, zug takes control of my brain
bleak scaffold
The very least is Exec > Revenge since it procs SS too
warm plinth
I'm guilty of delaying my shield slams a bit in favor of execute when I run clea...
Execute is higher priority than everything except tier proc TB at up to and including 6 targets
fathom oasis
Execute is higher priority than everything except tier proc TB at up to and incl...
With execute build i assume
warm plinth
Yes
undone beacon
Execute more like sexecute
half jewel
My sims for raid knocked me under 20k in favor for more crit and vers.
storm swift
for m+
frosty mango
You should really lock haste on your sim to like min 25k
The sim is not going to account for your shield block uptime
storm swift
do we want 25k?
fathom oasis
You can start running ITF from >21-22k so that's the bare minimum
But ideally 25-26k
frosty mango
25-26ish because that’s going to allow you the proper uptime on shield block with in the fray talented, technically 22ish but for most people 25-26 is going to be functionally where you find it gets comfy
frosty mango
But after you have that amount of haste just use what the sim says
frosty mango
All secondaries are good for us
solid sun
WAOW
fathom oasis
Just reforge your haste away
solid sun
I use HR because I’m not trustworthy
I think I also don’t have enough haste anyways lol but even at like 22k haste I’d probably still run HR
undone beacon
7 rating, 7 percent, 7 eleven?
7
fathom oasis
When you are doing real content, do you guys macro potion into avatar, or press it manually when your judgement dictates?
frosty mango
frosty mango
When you are doing real content, do you guys macro potion into avatar, or press ...
You don’t macro anything to anything ever except for trinkets that align with avatar
undone beacon
and that one IP/SS reset macro
frosty mango
There are times when you may need to send your potion to meet a damage check outside of avatar
Like in streets when you’re popping that shield on the oasis boss after all of your idiot dps stand in the green circles and die
Not that that very specific example happened to me or anything
fathom oasis
That boss is shit visually
warm plinth
When you are doing real content, do you guys macro potion into avatar, or press ...
I was macroing my pot to demo shout but then realized I was burning through them doing delves and shit XD so now it's on a separate bind
fathom oasis
Everyone getting the SUCK and you get notes + green circles + white circles all at once
bleak scaffold
"it's only on the tank" I assume that's what they are thinking ^^
warm plinth
The slam is not dangerous and you are guaranteed notes during it. Let it pull you, dps yeet themselves out, ezpz
bleak scaffold
why don't they just hero leap ... stoubid DPS ^^
neat wharf
Question about mythic soul hunters, on the eye beam overlaps, I'm using SW/SR/DS and still either getting close to dying or dying. Is this just a get good angle or am I doing something wrong?
half jewel
You should really lock haste on your sim to like min 25k
I've never seen that on a sim
quiet jetty
help my damage. I don't understand exactly what I'm doing wrong here, but I'm doing like half the damage I should be.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qy2GdCkXHvf9Vqpn?fight=9&type=damage-done
mighty valley
Lots of wasted rage
You're also not really playing a damage focused build
Sudden Death with no other execute talents is weird to me
This isn't damage but you've gotta work on this
fathom oasis
Sudden Death with no other execute talents is weird to me
Dont let the rat see his talents :x
mighty valley
yeah i also think skipping shield spec in high keys is goofy but i'm tired of that argument lol
solid sun
help my damage. I don't understand exactly what I'm doing wrong here, but I'm do...
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Probably stick to wowhead talent builds also
undone beacon
bruh if people can get away with 15s like this then why am i not even trying to lol
I'm stressing myself out for no reason smh
solid sun
I feel that, Pash
I’ve been feeling the tanxiety a lot this season for some reason. Usually related to routing
quiet jetty
Lots of wasted rage
so, use ip and sb more to spend my rage, pick up heavy handed in talents? or just drop sudden death for shield spec? I've seen a few different builds..
fathom oasis
so, use ip and sb more to spend my rage, pick up heavy handed in talents? or jus...
Sb should be perma up, get a WA if you need to
Blocked hits in keys should be 85+ at the bare minimum
95 for chefs kiss
fathom oasis
so, use ip and sb more to spend my rage, pick up heavy handed in talents? or jus...
You can use the execute talents from wowhead, but changing massacre for BSV
mighty valley
yeah, keep sb up, make sure you have enough to revenge when everything else is down, otherwise spend on IP to not overcap
all that rage could be fueling more outbursts, more avatar
weak bronze
So I wonder if we get anything in a week for the alpha
warm plinth
You should be using either the weekly build on wowhead or you can drop red right hand for bsv if you want it. Beyond that there's no real reason to swap talents unless you feel you can't afford to spend rage on execute because you need more survival. In that case you can swap to the push build. Some folks do kind of a hybrid where you run sudden death (since free executes don't affect your ability to press IP)
undone beacon
a high five and a compliment
fathom oasis
You can use the execute talents from wowhead, but changing massacre for BSV
Or just use the push variant, if you want to pursue a more defensive approach
fathom oasis
You should be using either the weekly build on wowhead or you can drop red right...
I thought we dropped massacre over rrh?
warm plinth
Shield spec is a dumb point to drop for any purpose and I'll die on that hill. Taking 7% more blockable damage is stupidity, especially when you are doing it in a so-called defensive build
My feelycraft brain says massacre is a bigger damage gain than RRH but I could be wrong. It effectively allows you to execute nearly twice as often due to the higher hp threshold
quiet jetty
all that rage could be fueling more outbursts, more avatar
I gotcha. so I'm wasting all this rage that should be dumped to reduce my avatar cd which gives me more thunderblasts..? It looks like i'm doing 15-20 less avatar's per key.. jesus. that's bad. I know my thunder blast cast count is low, but I didn't know why. This makes sense.
mighty valley
avatar is also just a flat damage boost haha
fathom oasis
I gotcha. so I'm wasting all this rage that should be dumped to reduce my avatar...
Remember, it doesnt matter if your IP amount is at its max. If your rage reaches 70 you press it
quiet jetty
gotcha. I think this will help a ton. ty guys
fathom oasis
gotcha. I think this will help a ton. ty guys
Go out there and zug brother
warm plinth
I guess you could always sim the difference between RRH and Mass but idk how close sims mimic real scenarios in that case (e.g. sniping executes and such).
fathom oasis
I don't think it sims different mobs with different HP that die at a different speed, at least on its default settings
warm plinth
Yeah i wouldn't think so
steady spruce
The fuck is this pull recommended on raider.io, i'm not doing that
tis a deathwish
steady spruce
Still summon ancient blood that do a lot of damage, and the aoes casted are nasty
fathom oasis
3 overseers can be kicked by a tank and 2 melees
warm plinth
You should also take raider.io routes with a grain of salt. It very frequently confuses mobs and that could just be two pulls that were chained together without leaving combat.
fathom oasis
Fair
steady spruce
You should also take raider.io routes with a grain of salt. It very frequently ...
i think that it's 2 pulls yaeh
frosty mango
I’ve been feeling the tanxiety a lot this season for some reason. Usually relate...
Does it help if I tell you that route makes no difference before like 15/16
Just w key to victory and if people complain, remember you’re a tank and you can get invited to a new key in 10 seconds
steady spruce
i always find going middle easier in that last room of AK tho
frosty mango
That’s the raiderio expert route