protection

[dusky canopy]

25k or bust

[mellow yoke]

More than 25k is excessive yeah

[bleak scaffold]

I understand that for experienced players it's seems fine and like "nothing", but moving up the scale you extend the difficulty, higher HP and dmg, and then you add the affix. for new players it's just a wall and a poor game experience

finding the middle ground is not easy

[fathom oasis]

the jump from 6-7 is big for some people

[mellow yoke]

Affix also makes the run easier though

If you do it

[fathom oasis]

i think it's good they now give out hero track items from +6 on

[mellow yoke]

And new affix system

Is better

Imo

Rather than that old one

With bs ass affixed

You got weeks you cant push

[steep pivot]

sanguine xD i remember

[round pendant]

weekly tyr/fort was the worst

[steep pivot]

i did pushed, it was hard but we game

[round pendant]

honestly just remove tyr/fort and just make the scaling linear from +2->infinity

[frosty mango]

I think ive bricked more keys this week than every season combined

[round pendant]

there's no reason for tyr/fort to exist

[round pendant]

all in ara-kara

[frosty mango]

yes actually

[round pendant]

I think 90% of my bricks are AK

[frosty mango]

mostly because people refuse to press buttons that arent dps (like dispel) or do proper prio damage

[round pendant]

couple priory, couple HoAs before nerf

[bleak scaffold]

I would say the affix issue is that some are so freaking easy ... and some you just need to have one specific class or it's hard to handle

[mellow yoke]

Will make pushing a certain level harder and take more time

Though

[frosty mango]

like dear arcane mages - i bring you to prio the big guy with the damage redux

why are you spamming aoe?

just do your job idiots

[mellow yoke]

Also

Never stealing

Wings

Of templars

Like 1/10 knows to do it

[round pendant]

I might try arcane

[frosty mango]

a great arcane mage is so good, they bring so much to a key

[round pendant]

I haven't actually played a ranged class since legion

[frosty mango]

but its like most of them cant resist not spamming aoe

or funnel properly

[mellow yoke]

I hate playing range

Melee for life

[frosty mango]

that or people who dont dispel poisons or kick, shaman with poison cleanse totem, hello friend can you please press that button

the healer is literally dying trying to heal 4 stacks

[bleak scaffold]

Yes but it's one GCD .. aren't you mad ? 😉

[frosty mango]

the amount of people who just don't understand their class holistically is staggering

[mellow yoke]

I timed arak 18

With 2 mins

[frosty mango]

yeah they have plenty of time to think about how much dps they lost pressing it while they're on the ground dead bc they died to 5 poison stacks

[mellow yoke]

Shaman didnt even take dispell totem

[round pendant]

when I take two funnel specs and the ret paladin is divine storming

[bleak scaffold]

That's the healer fault ! he didn't heal enougth !

[dusky canopy]

You mean you read your talents and form an understanding of their interactions with one another instead of copy pasting a talent build off the front page of R.io and spamming buttons??

Crazzyy

[round pendant]

It's too late to play dps alts though

key demographics are fried

so no arcane for me :(

[mellow yoke]

If u got a guild/friends to help

Its good

[frosty mango]

I did arak 17 last night

I say before we start that im splitting the first pull, dk starts complaining

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[round pendant]

classic

[mellow yoke]

For a 17 its kinda bad

A lot of time goes there

[frosty mango]

no

you save 30s

[round pendant]

it's more than 30s

[mellow yoke]

How come

[round pendant]

more like a minute

[frosty mango]

if it takes you more than 30 seconds to kill 4 spiders and a few non elites your dps are throwing

[mellow yoke]

I mean

They got to use

Cds there

[frosty mango]

anyway I said ok we can pull it, grip right side casters and I'll get the one as we move in

[round pendant]

You lose cd uptime on the next pull which costs you more time

[frosty mango]

we get there

dk grips nothing

we die

[round pendant]

it's not as simple as first pack only taking 30 seconds lol

[neon elk]

Its better to lose some dmg and uptime on cd than brick key on pull1 tho

[frosty mango]

this is precisely why i do not do that pull because it relies on people actually pressing non dps buttons

[mellow yoke]

I mean

Thats how high keys go

You need to take risks

[round pendant]

why is the dk having to grip the casters tho

[frosty mango]

its really not

[round pendant]

you can solo that gather

[frosty mango]

because doing or not doing that pull does not change the outcome (time vs not time) of the key

if it was like a 3 minute save yes im all in

but it isnt

[mellow yoke]

I mean

If u split

The pull

They gotta use cds

If they use cds

They have no cds

[frosty mango]

like the triple pull in priory after first boss, that pull is omega ass but 100% you need to do it in higher keys bc it saves massive time

[mellow yoke]

And no tailor buff

[frosty mango]

they do not need to use cds

[mellow yoke]

For mini

[frosty mango]

its very simple you just...dont press them on the first pull

[round pendant]

that still costs you time, more than the 30s the pack takes

it's just objectively worse to split that pull

[mellow yoke]

I got

A simpler

Solution

[frosty mango]

its also objectively more risky

[mellow yoke]

Instead of splitting and having them not press cds

Just

Dont press anything

[frosty mango]

imo risk vs reward is not worth there

[mellow yoke]

Until you get to mini

Its that simple

[frosty mango]

I bet you if you looked at all ara key bricks that pull accounts for 90+ % of them

[mellow yoke]

And throw a few TCs on the eay

[round pendant]

yeah it is

but I feel like in 17s people should be able to consistently do it lmao

it's not even that scary of a pull since you can handle the gather alone

[mellow yoke]

I mean

Not pressing buttons is easier than not pressing cds

[round pendant]

you just aoe kick the two casters and everyone stacks under mini

ezpz

[mellow yoke]

Thats just me

[frosty mango]

I do too - but thats definitely not what happens lol

[kind urchin]

I tag the casters last before going to the mini and hit them with a disrupting shout as soon as they start casting and never have a problem gathering that pull.

[frosty mango]

yes you would really think its that easy yet somehow people dont do that

[round pendant]

yea exactly

I go mini then casters tho because of one time a DH just charged the mini as I went for the casters

and killed himself instantly

[frosty mango]

people just full sending stuns on mobs before they gather, why?

what possible reason could you have to cap totem

[round pendant]

lmao

if someone stuns after my aoe kick they get yelled at

[kind urchin]

I don't rely on anyone to help me gather unless we're in comms.

[frosty mango]

stun addicts are anti gatherers

shaman are sus with that damn double cap

"why is that mob 60 yards away just standing there"

"why is everything immune to to shockwave"

just shaman things

[round pendant]

I wish knockup shockwave was baseline

and not a colossus thing

[frosty mango]

I am a proud ara-kara first pull split enjoyer

[round pendant]

it just feels bad to have to split cause people can't get their shit together

[frosty mango]

but im still pulling 6 paladins with lust in priory, sorry healer

[round pendant]

it's 3 casters it's not the end of the world

[frosty mango]

its really interesting to me in the meta sense

[bleak scaffold]

6paladins ???? healers must hate you 😄

[frosty mango]

like looking at that pull on paper, it isnt really hard

i dont understand the mechanics of why it fails so bad

[round pendant]

some healers don't give a shit about how many paladins there are tbh

[bleak scaffold]

The 6 paladins unavoidable AOE is quite something

[fathom oasis]

#protection message

[frosty mango]

monks and shams can heal infinite paladins but druids struggle

paladins just get cooked

lol

[round pendant]

it's staggered and basically infinitely healable for shams

[mellow yoke]

Shams can inf heal

[round pendant]

gotta say, absolutely miserable for oracle disc priest

[mellow yoke]

When they got mana

[round pendant]

but I didn't get my 4p on my priest yet to try VW disc

[mellow yoke]

Druids

Have insane heal

I much rather play

[round pendant]

They just designed such a dogshit start of the dungeon tbh

[mellow yoke]

With rdruid

Than rsham

[round pendant]

idk rsham feels great

[fathom oasis]

Current season rdruid feels so much more complex than rsham

[round pendant]

especially if you got em on comms

best healer imo

[mellow yoke]

I mean

Link is good

[frosty mango]

rsham is infinitely better than rdruid in m+ right now thats not even a debate

[mellow yoke]

But external on druid is good

[mellow yoke]

Eh

Depends on player

Check top 40 runs

[fathom oasis]

Feels like a 50-50% split at the highest level. Is it because druid benefits more from premade play?

[mellow yoke]

Its 50-50 if its rsham or rdruid

I mean

If u dont take rsham

U take rdruid

And ele sham

For buff

[fathom oasis]

Also you need a shaman anyways, yeah

[fathom oasis]

I'm interested why you think the difference is so big. Personal experience in keys, or some particular reason for you to have such a strong opinion?

[round pendant]

just facts innit

[frosty mango]

both experience as a tank in keys and playing both classes

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-opm-saitama-source-i-made-it-up-gif-24755713

[frosty mango]

rsham brings significantly more burst damage to shit aoe pulls for one

while totems allow them to push a lot of hps passively without pressing buttons

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[frosty mango]

rdruid can do a lot of healing but their damage requires them to shift a lot

[fathom oasis]

Druids has such a complex dps rotation and it deals so little damage lol

[mellow yoke]

U shouldnt rely on heal dmg

If u do there is a problem with dos

Dos

[round pendant]

nah

[mellow yoke]

Dps

[frosty mango]

at the top end I think druid externals are highly valuable

[mellow yoke]

Ffs

[fathom oasis]

But that is irrespective of their healing

[frosty mango]

this is a dumb take

you should rely on classes holistically

[round pendant]

healers can easily save a minute on the timer if they dps good

[frosty mango]

everything it brings

[round pendant]

This is why the dps gap between healer specs rn is so egregious

[frosty mango]

saying healer damage doesnt matter is not true at all

because it matters a lot, especially in the short windows

because when you have a large dangerous pull, your healing doing 5m dps is very beneficial

[plush tendon]

as long as you side step the gloom bites, you can pull as many as you like. They dont do anything other then the tunnel and are worth like 1.36% each (huge count in Eco!)

[frosty mango]

for both safety and cd timings

anyway I think druid externals are highly valuable the higher you go

[plush tendon]

I pull three creepers onto last boss as well

inky black is low key goated in the desert area in Eco

[round pendant]

you run back and grab those?

[frosty mango]

and I think a great druid player could probably bring equally as much as a great shaman player, but on the whole when you look at comps and synergy - shaman is just holistically a better m+ class

[plush tendon]

three creepers and 2 of the other add dudes

[round pendant]

your arcane mages love you

[plush tendon]

this is my route for Eco

[solid sun]

Do the tunnel guys ever screw with picking up images on the last boss

[plush tendon]

yes, they can

but inky black makes them very visible

the start is very hectic ngl since I do have to kite a bit to avoid gloom bites

but its for the funnell and to reduce # of pulls

[solid sun]

My squad would f that up so bad lol

[round pendant]

might yoink that

[plush tendon]

you really cant take gloom bites natty on a 17; youd prob live, but the damage is oooof levels

[round pendant]

17 is close to killing you without sw

[plush tendon]

especially if there are 3

[frosty mango]

to expound on this - a shaman can drop HTT or SLT and just full send a shitload of dps into a dangerous pack (first pack of priory)

a druid needs to actively regrowth people to keep them alive there

and the extra millions of dps to get the knight down so there isnt a shit overlap is a very big difference

[round pendant]

eco-dome is such a good dungeon

[frosty mango]

this happens again later in the dungeon with the other knight pull, and then the paladin pull

[plush tendon]

I like our route

just have to do the sent skip after first boss

and its one kick per Farstalker (range kick works to)

constanty chain once casters are dead

[round pendant]

I'd rather just do the sentinel tho

They're free tbh

[plush tendon]

Sents are garbage

[frosty mango]

sentinels arent bad with good arcane mage

[plush tendon]

you can also avoid their arcane slash

[frosty mango]

you just walk backwards out of their frontal ezpz lol

[solid sun]

Has havoc surpassed arcane on funnel

[plush tendon]

by walking backwards

[frosty mango]

no shot

[round pendant]

wait backpedal?

surely you have to strafe

I've been strafing

[frosty mango]

strafe or leap

[fathom oasis]

Thing is, if rdruid was so shit compared to rsham, front page would be nothing but rshamans

Is it just ironbark carrying them?

[frosty mango]

i didnt say it was shit I just said sham was better

[plush tendon]

Shaman and Druid are both good I think

and theres lots of routing options in Priory

Yoda and Kira both have pretty different routes (first area)

[frosty mango]

I also said druid has a lot of value at high key levels

[plush tendon]

which is cool

[round pendant]

druid slaps

[frosty mango]

tbh balance this season is actually decent

theres no like doodoo specs

except maybe pres

[round pendant]

other than holy

[plush tendon]

there are really only two "op" classes

[frosty mango]

but I think thats bc of range

[plush tendon]

FDK and Arcane mage

[fathom oasis]

DK is a bit of an outlier

[frosty mango]

i dont even count holy bc its shit all the time

[mellow yoke]

Dk is busted

[solid sun]

Every time I invite a Resto Druid they’re shit so I have decided Resto Druid is banned. Apparently it’s too hard

[plush tendon]

3rd dps spot is open which is nice

tank there are like 2-3 viable tanks

and 2 viable healers

so thats great balance

[plush tendon]

I did a 16 Flood like 2 weeks ago with a Holy Paladin

[mellow yoke]

I hope aug never makes it meta again

Honestly

[plush tendon]

guy was a chad

[frosty mango]

i dunno ret and dh do dps on par with dk but dk does have excellent potential

[round pendant]

holy priest sorry

idk about holy paladin haven't played with one since DF s2

[fathom oasis]

Feels like some dps's change a bit, but DK is in every comp almost

[mellow yoke]

Dks ive seen do more

[plush tendon]

there arent many Holy Paladins left

[fathom oasis]

Grip alone is so good

[mellow yoke]

And are way tougher

Than paladins

[plush tendon]

the ones who are left.... they be chads

[frosty mango]

yeah this i agree with

basically impossible for your dk to die

[solid sun]

I think havoc is insane.

[round pendant]

havoc is nuts

fdk is nuts

arcane is nuts

[mellow yoke]

And havoc is like

[plush tendon]

Fury War is nuts

[mellow yoke]

1.5 buttons

Rotation

[plush tendon]

Hunter is nuts

[round pendant]

sin, feral, fury, boomie underrated

[plush tendon]

lock can pump

ele also

so many great dps

[round pendant]

balance dps side is good

[plush tendon]

balance aint bad

[frosty mango]

also re sham vs druid if you look at distribution there are far more shams than druids

[plush tendon]

but boomkin players are... a different bread

[round pendant]

no I mean literal balance

of the dps specs

lmao

[frosty mango]

but spread is not nearly as egregious has prior seasons

[plush tendon]

LMAO

[round pendant]

oh yeah devoker is underrated too

[fathom oasis]

what surprises me the most is how arcane mage popularity ramps so hard at the highest levels:

[plush tendon]

Dev I feel like is front loaded on their damage

[solid sun]

I feel like MW is underrated

[plush tendon]

so im meh about them

[round pendant]

Funnel is insane for saving time

arcane is the best at funnel

[plush tendon]

I also like Shadow Priest

Mage is just a stupid class in general

[round pendant]

good shps are so rare though

[plush tendon]

literally the hero class of WoW

Mage is the best class in the game and has been for a while

[fathom oasis]

at the highest level the difference is a bit smaller (60-40 split approx)

[plush tendon]

shit is busted

[round pendant]

I did an ara-kara and had an arcane mage and it just deleted the bloodguards

literally getting chunked for 5% of it's hp

[frosty mango]

amp is very important

being able to merc some ass add

[mellow yoke]

Ive had

[frosty mango]

is so nice

[mellow yoke]

Some insane

Balances

Pre nerf even

[plush tendon]

insane good or bad

cause id rather take a feral over a boomkin

[mellow yoke]

Insane good

[plush tendon]

well, my squad just copied Kira's comp

just need the Arcane mage to not be 706

so we can start 18s

[fathom oasis]

you guys sure we don't want a meta like DF season 4?

who needs healers anyways

[mellow yoke]

Joke season

[plush tendon]

I unironically had so much fun in DF S3 as a VDH

[mellow yoke]

Dont talk abt it

[plush tendon]

balance was shit, but game was really fun

having the same experience now

[frosty mango]

Og Aug meta was so unhealthy

[plush tendon]

this season of M+ is very fun

[frosty mango]

I wish they’d just make all healers Aug

Remove healer dps and shift healer secondary focus to Aug

[plush tendon]

and a great dungeon pool

[frosty mango]

Then just delete Aug

[plush tendon]

even If I dont like Ara Kara

[fathom oasis]

i mean, they just deleted aug without doing all that

[mellow yoke]

Except DB right

[frosty mango]

True, lol

[round pendant]

just bring back aug tbh

it was fun

[mellow yoke]

No

No

[plush tendon]

other then the bugs, DB is fun

[frosty mango]

But I think healing would be far more popular if the focus was on augmenting groups while healing

[plush tendon]

its basically the 'can you do the numbies' key

[mellow yoke]

Yeah but

How can you

[plush tendon]

theres no routing or anything to do there

[mellow yoke]

Exclude the bugs

[plush tendon]

I dont see em often enough tbh

[mellow yoke]

When its a termite infestation

[plush tendon]

once in a blue moon

[frosty mango]

By excluding the dungeon

Forever, hopefully

[round pendant]

9/10 DB runs have bugs

but it's weird cause that wasn't the case in s1

[plush tendon]

for me, its more like 1/10 DBs have a bug

[mellow yoke]

Not just 1 even

Atleast 2/3

[fathom oasis]

agree

[round pendant]

in s1 people would complain a lot but I hardly experienced it

this season I'm experiencing lots of bugs there

[frosty mango]

My last dawnbreaker was bricked bc the boat disappeared

Fly up after boss

No boat

[undone beacon]

This season im having a larger than normal amount of dawnbreaker bugs but i still like the dungeon. Just a shame its broken as shit

[round pendant]

that's a new one

[fathom oasis]

i get a bug in 1/10 DBs as well I would say

[frosty mango]

I had the affix orbs float off this week, that was cool

Had someone get stuck inside the boat

[undone beacon]

My fav is casters getting knocked up/off the side boat and then not snapping back and freecasting bolts for the rest of the dungeon

Or my sentinel circle just not moving at all on the boat

[fathom oasis]

one of my favorites is merging with the boat

we are one

fear the boat

[frosty mango]

I had the church miniboss aggro us WHILE we were on first boss too, that one was interesting

[frozen berry]

Flying through the boat and dismounting and dying is cool

[fathom oasis]

ah, my most favorite is definitely dying after last boss

just out of spite

[mellow yoke]

Or the ritualist

Who just decidrs

[fathom oasis]

"haha, have a 150g tax on this boss kill"

[mellow yoke]

He is not moving

For whatever reason

Or 1st boss

Who also decides

He wont move

[undone beacon]

my last DB was bricked not because of a bug but because of a zugzug DH that pulled first miniboss when i clearly said we were going somewhere else

And the miniboss didnt reset when he died, it walked all the way to another mini

fantastic

anyways y'all ready for brewfest

[fathom oasis]

i'm half a zugzug

[undone beacon]

Its only 3200 brewfest prize tokens for all the new rewards

[solid sun]

How quickly can you acquire brewfest prize tokens

Is it a lot of drinking

[undone beacon]

345 from one-time quests per char, then ~60 a day for all the dailies

[lean furnace]

Question for the sim nerds- my sims tell me to drop the blasphemite and turn all gems into the vers/crit one. Is that me messing up the sim or does that sound reasonable?

[undone beacon]

Late in an expansions lifecycle secondaries end up being worth more, so potentially correct yeah

I, however, will never swap off my speed blasphemite

because as we all know, speed is king

https://tenor.com/view/mcqueen-gif-9449693085032454841

[plush tendon]

you sure?

[mellow yoke]

I wouldnt drop blasphemite

Personally

[plush tendon]

can you send your input?

[lean furnace]

Am I sure? No that’s why I asked the question lmao. But when I run the top gear sim while having it run numbers for my best gems, it tells me do crit vers.

[fathom oasis]

do you try and craft 1 of each colored gems, or forget about the 0.15% and just go all in on the gems you typically use?

[plush tendon]

idk about everyone else... but I take the move speed diamond

and get different color gems

for more move speed

[lean furnace]

Nah sry im posthumously asking. Did the sims a few days ago and it just popped up into my head now

[mellow yoke]

I dont do it

I run 2/4 colors

[plush tendon]

ok; I just want to make sure that you didnt miss a click or something

[mellow yoke]

0.3 is basically nothing

[plush tendon]

so the sim didnt replace the gem or something idk

[fathom oasis]

so are gems tbh

[plush tendon]

gotta run move speed

crit damage is meh AF

when you could be fast

[fathom oasis]

gems used to be a decent stat boost, but now they feel so smol

[plush tendon]

gems are still a nice gain I think

[fathom oasis]

compared to the thousands we get from jewelry

[round pendant]

Gems are like 1% or so

And overpriced af

[lean furnace]

Yea tn when i run again for vault I’ll post if this channel isn’t moving at the speed of light

[fathom oasis]

1% back in season 1, i would be surprised if they were worth 1% now

[plush tendon]

its cause we are all using move speed gems

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[fathom oasis]

i remember treating the socket item as a 1% damage increase

[round pendant]

I simmed changing all my gems and would gain like 0.4

That's just for changing the stats

[fathom oasis]

ah, you mean all the gems together, 1%

[round pendant]

No gems -> full gems being 1% makes sense to me

[fathom oasis]

in S1 a single gem could amount to a 1% of your dps i seem to recall

are we getting squished come midnight?

[round pendant]

Think so

[mellow yoke]

We are

[fathom oasis]

numbers are reaching large amounts

[round pendant]

Gems should give % not flat

Fight me

[plush tendon]

im just running the sim now

we'll get a answer in like... 15 minutes

XD

[mellow yoke]

Imagine not having

Raidbots premium

Smh

[plush tendon]

dont need it

I dont sim that often tbh

gearing is not that hard

[fathom oasis]

gem variations can result in huge iteration numbers

[plush tendon]

[fathom oasis]

BURN THE HERETIC

i dont either tbh

[mellow yoke]

I mean

Im just simming rings

90% of time

Lol

[fathom oasis]

unless i get something from vault, there's not much to sim

[dusky canopy]

Gotta leave the gems selected for the jewelry sim though otherwise it won’t be as accurate

At least the gems that are slotted anyway

Not all of them

[fathom oasis]

so, what's the consensus, is Augusto the only one running speedy diamond?

[dusky canopy]

Kinda hoping for momma neck, high nerubian ring, or a ticking sack today I think

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[dusky canopy]

Nah speed owns

[mellow yoke]

You really arent getting much from crit

Like

REALLY not getting anything from it

[fathom oasis]

is the speed boost at all noticeable?

[dusky canopy]

I run speed when I’m not trying to sim as high as possible for no reason

Speed gem/enchants/talent

Just be a zoomer

[solid sun]

I use speed gem and I also use the speed boots enchant iirc instead of the defender one

[dusky canopy]

[undone beacon]

this is the way

speed

is the best stat

speed >>> str > haste > crit > vers > mast > leech >>> avoidance

[fathom oasis]

do you guys have any reference as to what % mvspeed increase you are seeing in the char sheet from using said diamond?

[dusky canopy]

Man remember when having 20% leech was goated

That was a good time

[undone beacon]

I have a WA that tracks my current speed at all times, lemme check mine real fast

[dusky canopy]

[fathom oasis]

i may need to convert to the church of speed

[undone beacon]

oh wait servers down ill check later

[dusky canopy]

Share when up

[undone beacon]

i gotchu bb

[solid sun]

I just have my character sheet open all the time and look to what current move speed is

[undone beacon]

that number isnt accurate though

[solid sun]

Excuse me. It’s on my character sheet

[undone beacon]

I had it initially to track whether the Acidic Hailstone Treads were fucking my mount speed on my hunter in DF

[fathom oasis]

chonky is not accurate?

[undone beacon]

Turns out 20% slower dragonriding sucks

[fathom oasis]

i cannot believe i've been let down by the chonk

[undone beacon]

These things were goated damage but god losing movespeed was ass

As a hunter I had enough bonuses to bring myself back to normal speed in dungeons but it affected mounted speed too

[solid sun]

I don’t remember seeing you in the surv discy

During DF

[fathom oasis]

do not be alarmed, but

i am not speedy

[undone beacon]

I was there early on but swapped to prot warr by the end of the xpac

[solid sun]

Ah not a true believer

But a spear pretender

[mellow yoke]

I swapped to prot this season

Am i fake

[solid sun]

It’s okay I was only a surv for season 2 in DF

[undone beacon]

I miss DF S3 Survival hunter, the no-cd Fury of the Eagle build was giga

[solid sun]

Yeh we had a no cd build season 2 also

I pumped throughout entire dungeons with no downtime

Was so sick

[undone beacon]

Most of the xpac we ran no-cd builds because Coordinated Assault was turbo ass

But the huge FotE that gave a big crit and crit dam amp + free wildfire bombs was nutty

Wish that made it onto the TWW tree

[solid sun]

I mostly played bdk in s1 and a mix of that and ret in s3/s4. surv was s2 and then this expansion it’s been all pwar

Hunter just hit 71 last night :(

[undone beacon]

damn pick a main nerd

smh my head

[solid sun]

No u

[plush tendon]

so sockets are like 0.25%

[rancid hemlock]

Some mage told me tank warriors don't use demonhunters boots, is that guy an idiot or am I?

I have mythic boots from deathless run or heroic demonhunters boots

[dusky canopy]

Tanks in general prefer ilvl for dps

[rancid hemlock]

I am idiot

[plush tendon]

the soul hunter boots are good (also crit/haste so we really like)

so if you have myth level you use them

otherwise, you go for I level

[frosty mango]

For raid He’s technically not wrong in the sense that the effect doesn’t offer a dps upgrade - but the boots themselves are great stats

In m+ imo the boots are turbo bis

[modest hatch]

Hi, just started prog on soul hunters mythic. I watch logs, where other warriors taunt early on eye beam to get felblade, I also see the same guy taking both 8x stack eye beam and felblade. Likewise, I watch him use spell reflect on fracture. There is no real consistency in the defensives either. Lastly, are we soaking the hunt too or just some of them? Thanks

[fathom oasis]

i assume the comparison is being drawn between hero cantrip boots vs mythic regular boots

[frosty mango]

Yes - imo heroic worth it over ilvl in m+ bc the cloak proc has way more value there than raid

In raid I don’t think it matters

[fathom oasis]

I see

many people were advocating for 723 boots over 710 cantrip ones lately

[mellow yoke]

Where is jewellery

[fathom oasis]

in m+ setting

[frosty mango]

I think it’s dumb the tank cloak is purely defensive that’s completely counter to the entire gearing strategy

[nocturne spindle]

It's one of those

[fathom oasis]

should be damage reflection imo

[mellow yoke]

Is it though

[fathom oasis]

have it be interesting

[mellow yoke]

You still got more stat

Than you would with normal one

[nocturne spindle]

If you can live without it the dps from stats is better things

[frosty mango]

Yes, the belt and the ring both had agency, and offensive stats etc for tanks also offer defensive bonuses

So imo making the proc defensive only is silly

Bc given the choice players never choose pure defense - look at trinkets

So being forced into that on your cloak feels bad

Espec when it makes zero meaningful contribution in raid

[neon elk]

If it at least wasnt random defensive , thats the worst part

[mellow yoke]

Yeah

[frosty mango]

Yeah if it was on use I could get behind that

[mellow yoke]

And it proccing with BSV 70% of time

[frosty mango]

They shoulda made it like the belt

That was a good system

The means of getting it was dumb but the actual agency of it was great

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto it’s time

[undone beacon]

thoughts?????

[plush tendon]

why you do this

[dusky canopy]

Guys would you take gloves or waist from this vault?

Guys would you take myth track tome for raid only?

Guys are the boots from soul hunters worth using, I have them in my vault?

Guys should I craft a shield or a weapon?

Guys Is it worth all this mastery stat on these items?

Guys I think I have to much haste what cap do I go for

[undone beacon]

1. Delve belt bis
2. cant read so tome is useless
3. shoes are for nerds dogs out for max dps
4. neither, 2-hand parry tank
5. yes
6. more haste

mods pin it we're done here

[dusky canopy]

🤣

Such an ass aye

[frosty mango]

You forgot

Why is my damage low
Why am I dying

[dusky canopy]

Guys do you cast ignore pain manually or can I macro it to shield slam?

Guys why does yoda run a different talent build than wowhead ?

(Nim is fuming I can sense it)

[frozen berry]

even with crafted shield, myth shield is always a take right?

[frosty mango]

Not always (super high value trinket option for example) but usually yes

[frozen berry]

i got sacbrood at mythic too, or myth legs

so all good choices atm

[frosty mango]

I would sim the options, look at the dps gain and then make a choice whether the added defense of the shield is worth it over the gain in dps

[frosty mango]

It really depends on the content you are doing

[lunar crown]

Should I stick with Colossus build until 4set or okay to swap at 2set? I don't have season 2 tier set so no 2 and 2 for me.

[minor lark]

Tome is still good, yeah? Had someone trying to explain its not

[shrewd grove]

Yes it's good, if you keep up with the buff maintenance

[minor lark]

Yep, on point with it

[urban bane]

better in raid than it is in m+ but still definitely far from bad in m+

[minor lark]

Perfect then

Cheers all

[tired forge]

I asume reshi boots since i dont have them?

or myth belt?

[nocturne spindle]

hmmm

[minor lark]

Issue actually, hero brand

But damn getting full myth including trinket would rock

[steep pivot]

man i got hero brand, my vault was sad

[dim thicket]

Question for prot warriors, what talents do you use for pushing keys? Do you guys feel rage starved at all?

[minor lark]

Isnt brand busted af?

[minor lark]

Thane + 4pc really feeds me fine on rage

[dim thicket]

Ah I still have 2 set that might be why

[minor lark]

Im honestly just using the archon build and it autopilots as long as you shield block towards the enemies lmao

Im torn between hero brand and myth tome

Since I dont myth raid, can always farm Brand

oh there's my freakin answer

[frail ibex]

Is there a WA people use for tome?

[naive panther]

Does brand sim correctly?

Cause on my monk its busted amounts of damage. But when i sim warrior with it its trash.

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/here-it-comes-tornado-meme-gif-23054073

[fallen marlin]

Can anyone tell me about boots from 5th boss,that is must have as prot right ?

[undone beacon]

lower priority for raid tanks

over dps

bis if you get them on myth

otherwise eh

[fallen marlin]

I play only m+ so i dont need to worry about them right ?

[jagged pier]

I mean thats where they are more effective,

But as far as i know we actually have no solid numbers on how good they are

[wild hawk]

just got from vault the Brand of Ceaseless Ire AND the Interlopers Plated Sabatons, witch one should i chose? Both are Bis and effects are super good for Prot Warrio

[jagged pier]

We've anecdotal evidence thats they are worth 10% survivbility, whatevsr that means, and that sound very very high

[nocturne spindle]

I mean there's no way they can be true right

That would require it to go from 50% uptime to 100% uptime on a 20% damage reduction

For it to be 10%

[jagged pier]

Well we dont even know what 10% survivability means

[jagged pier]

Trinket

[tight mural]

So, today's vault. I already have Myth Pacemaker, and Myth Tome. Currently equipped is Myth Tome and Champion Brand. According to prio list, myth pace == myth antenna, so I think I skip it? I really don't want to fuck with the mini-game anyways.

which has me thinking shoulders, or neck (both upgrades from hero). Shoulders are BiS. Apparently BiS neck is from gambit, though this one is crit haste which feels decent.

[next axle]

Do I take myth tome or myth pacemaker?

[nocturne spindle]

Oof

Thats a real question

[plush tendon]

Im a tome hater

[limber jackal]

between these 2 items on myth track what should i take? (i haven't crafted anything yet.)

[plush tendon]

so Pacemaker is what Id do

[plush tendon]

shield

[next axle]

I have a hero antenna and champion brand

[nocturne spindle]

Do you raid at all heethen

Tome is bis in raid

[next axle]

I feel like I want to keep the brand, so I would replace the antenna

[errant wagon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p4yW1gijnwH6YouP6WP45C
I got the Chrysalis of Sundered souls neck (versatility) neck in vault at myth track.
Is it troll to take this...? Sims all point to it being strongest gain in both M+ and Raid content, but my stats are going to be heavily leaning towards vers if I do so.

[next axle]

Yes, I raid mythic

[nocturne spindle]

Then tome

It do be giga in raid

[next axle]

So my options for raid would be, champion brand with either hero antenna, myth tome or myth pacemaker

[nocturne spindle]

Myth time any brand

For mythic raid

Is bis

[next axle]

Yeah champion brand still pumps hard

Which trinks do you run for keys @plush tendon ?

[mint shadow]

Hero Brand or Antenna over Myth belt and neck, yeah? It will probably be at least a couple week for a shot at brand since I dont tank in raid.

[next axle]

I would go brand imo

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

Brand and Pace

[fallen marlin]

Do we need to sim ourselfs as prot ?.

I never done that 😅

[blazing shuttle]

There are buttons that are not made for dps???

[undone beacon]

It is highly reccomended, yes

It doesnt sim survivability but typically more damage = more survivability

aside from like, purely defensive trinkets

@lusty grotto vaunted bear vault. Good thing I need myth legs still

Missed farm this week so no myth raid slots grrrr

[solid frigate]

In the early stages of gearing my warrior but is mythic haste/vers + leech neck worth more than mythic chest long term?

[sterile orbit]

id take leech chest drops off 1st boss easily puggable

[south plume]

Is the antenna(hero track) worth taking over myth track tier ? I dont raid mythic.

[plush tendon]

run HM and Mythic raid first

but its generally chest over neck

since you can craft a neck pretty easily

and chest is the highest stat budget item

[wooden spruce]

national holidays here so didnt do too much, anyways, tome or ring? trinkets i have what you see and for rings i have a crafter 704 and a heroic 704

[sleek lintel]

Rings you can always get crafted with stats you care about tome you gotta get lucky on so Id go Tome

[wooden spruce]

thanks, its what i thought, i simmed and the tome gave me 100k over 32k from the ring

[frosty mango]

my st damage on first 30s of soulbinder with the best crit rng of my life

my poor cotank

[sleek lintel]

now the question I have is it worth taking a 710 tome or a mythic chest from vault my other trinkets are Antenna, Pacemaker, Brand of Ceaseless

not doin mythic raiding just heroic and m+ so not really pushin super crazy content on it

[frosty mango]

tome is a great m+ trinket the further up you go

I use tome over antenna

the on demand crit I find more valuable than the consistent antenna crit

[sleek lintel]

currently using brand + pacemaker in m+

antenna annoys me cuz the orbs keep getting stuck on shit

and are soooo slow when its time to gogogo

[frosty mango]

a mythic tome is probably close to heroic pace in practice

its less trash damage but much more boss damage

[sleek lintel]

its only a 710 tome in the vault for me sadly

[frosty mango]

ah then take myth chest you can farm the heroic tome

[sleek lintel]

yea thats what Im thinkin too

[round pendant]

god they need to do something about holy priest

[mellow yoke]

Idk what they can do apart from rework it

[blazing shuttle]

Delete it.

[livid hill]

hello guys im coming to you with a question im playin prot in my guild and yesterday we got another prot warrior to pair with me on raid. i thought i will outmatch him cuz i have 713 ilvl but he was like 710 and he did alot more dps than me. i wonder where is the problem with my playing? he told me that i used Revenge alot and he instead using it more on Ignore Pain to have faster Avatar (with anger menagment talent) so more dmg. but im using this talent to and revenge also cut the cd on avatar. wheres the probl?

[mellow yoke]

Logs?

[livid hill]

sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GfDKmb6Bx3R29jyT?fight=9

[jagged pier]

Hes probably pressing more buttons than u can managing out urst better than u

[livid hill]

Vareghis is mine char and second tank is Domindor

[jagged pier]

14 more casts per minute

Also stop spamming revenge

It your lowest prio as thane

[hearty cipher]

yeah looks like he is just simply getting more casts out than you

he has like 40 casts more on shield slam alone

which is your Nr. 1 prio button

[livid hill]

got it

[jagged pier]

Your also both bad at managing outburst, in raid it pretty much exclusively goes to SS

[mellow yoke]

Trinkets yoo

Too

[jagged pier]

U both send it more on tc and tb

[mellow yoke]

You got ritual mud

He has brand

[hearty cipher]

I'm so bad at managing outburst

[livid hill]

soooo focus les on revenge ?

and change this stupid trink

i thought that if im on full hp and got IP and ful rage its good to spend it on revenge

[jagged pier]

Revenge hits for less than tc as thane

U baiscally only use it to reset ss

[livid hill]

Right

[hearty cipher]

press ignore pain at like 70-80 rage, only use revenge when you cant press tc or ss and you need to fish for a reset

Mountain thane has really good single target DPS

[livid hill]

okay

sooo spaming Ignore Pain while i can is not a good thing also? Like the other tank told me hes doin

[hearty cipher]

Ignore Pain is a rage dump

so you don't overcap on rage

you'd rather cast shield block, shield slam or thunder clap

[livid hill]

thank you guys for your advices

[hearty cipher]

thats the priority list

Revenge is below Thunderclap and Shield Slam

and ignore pain only has higher priority if you are in danger of overcapping rage

60-80 typically

ST you use violent outburst procs on Shield Slam
In aoe scenarios you use the proc on Thunder Blast, not clap

[livid hill]

thanks 🙂

[sleek mulch]

anything to simming tome? got myth in vault never had to sim it before

[chilly brook]

Playing the game and pressing your buttons?

[warm plinth]

No, it will sim properly

No extra steps needed

[chilly brook]

There’s no magic stat allocation for bleed or magic

[sleek mulch]

thanks, just wanted confirmation I was seeing hero brand smacking it out of the water which was surprising to me as bloodmallet shows myth tome as such a high prio

[chilly brook]

It is a decent answer

There is no magic bullet

You just need to press defensives on scary things

“I was trying to have a debate”

Is a bit antithetical to asking a question

But there isn’t much more input into that other than defensives are your friend

[jagged pier]

I dunno i dont thunk theres much debate, making blockable attacks do 85% less damage instead of 40ish% damage seems pretty defensive to me

Like crit and parry the most hits the less rng it becomes

[undone beacon]

Yeah theres not much to talk about. Against bleeds/magic you wall/reflect and otherwise you wiggle your shield around. Would be cool to see some kind of niche way to deal with it. Make last stand drop bleeds off of you or smthn

[chilly brook]

^

[undone beacon]

I will keep saying it but the fact that Last Stand doesnt have some sort of stoneform effect is wasted potential

Yeah sadly not!

Just be a guardian druid instead and take it on the ass but not even feel it

[chilly brook]

I mean there could be more to it

But blizzard decided us being able to block spells was too powerful

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[chilly brook]

(Meanwhile prot paladin can block them without a CD)

[undone beacon]

But we have spellbreaker now which is cool and epic

[chilly brook]

And a massive 0% pick rate!

They could have just taken my idea and reworked spellbreaker into 100% magic block but at 17.5% effectiveness

[hearty cipher]

I'm more surprised blizzards favorite (DH tank) hasn't been buffed a million times to make it meta again

[undone beacon]

but have you considered

[hearty cipher]

[odd heath]

Tome of light drops from Priory right ?
Nothing to do with having all dungeon 12+

[undone beacon]

Correct, tome drops in priory

Having resil 12s means when dinars come back you'll be able to buy a myth tome (if its like last season)

[lean furnace]

Alright what’s up w these nerds dropping shield spec

Is that just because Kira or is there validity to those not pushing bleeding edge

[undone beacon]

oh that is a complete shitpost build

disregard it entirely

some people argue to drop it because kira/yoda do and people dont have critical thinking skills and blindly follow the builds of the top but

The damage gained is marginal compared to defensive value lost

[chilly brook]

Short answer is bad choice, longer answer is it’s something around a 1% dps gain at a loss of like 7% more damage intake

[ebon moth]

Hello, this macro still works?

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

[high latch]

Yes. You'd use it as your IP button to snipe SS resets.

It is not a macro to reduce the amount of keybinds or make the gameplay simpler. You still need a separate SS button.

[iron atlas]

https://keystone.guru/route/operation-floodgate/exg7QRZ/season-3-easy-route-by-yoda/3

This route any good 16+?

The diver pull and the architect pull downstairs feel kinda weird

[lunar crown]

Looks pretty CD efficient but I'd rather pull more inbetween Big Momma and the trash pack at the top of the stairs to give CDs a chance to reset for the healers there and then skip the architect below like you point out.

Pull 4 with the divers onto architect is also a pug killer IMO. People love to walk into bombs, miss harpoon casts, or stand in a bad place if they do get harpooned

[iron atlas]

I've tried pulling pack with the two demolitionists (G17) but it just seems very unfriendly to pugs

Pull 4 feels very awkward but its been kinda nice with pugs. Maybe luck 😄

[lunar crown]

Fair point. I've been jumping off the first platform and dragging the crabs and G39 divers to architect and it's been okay. Maybe I should be more confident in my groups!

[ocean anvil]

Pull 4 giga cursed

No reason to do that instead of pulling the divers onto boss

[iron atlas]

Maybe jesus himself has blessed me with great groups for pull 4. I'm just having trouble finishing in time

And dunno, everything just feels kinda hard and awkward no matter the pull

[lunar crown]

I think the higher the DPS your group has the better his route looks. I see other routes pull less between the first lust pack and big momma and timing works out just about right to pop lust right away. But, if you have some blasters in your group then taking those extra mobs helps you keep the timing right and not end up getting to big momma "too early"

[chilly brook]

Why is that cursed when it was done all last season?

[lunar crown]

At 15+ does a harpoon one shot the typical DPS?

[chilly brook]

Harpoon casts are usually going to kill someone

I’d also wager that bombs are pretty troll on the boss

Lots can change in 2 weeks but like

https://youtu.be/edoxt_eEtG8?si=hoG1bV4ys6SF0P56

Bro does pull 4 exactly

And isn’t pulling into the boss

[iron atlas]

I dont think the harpoons one shot at 16

The bombs are fine if you backpeddle the pack. The architect constructing a new platform is kinda weird tho

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/4suSi21dbbk?si=67cPCri_-vq2uAqz

Looks like he’s only doing a singular 3 pack into boss

[ocean anvil]

Was cursed last season too

High keys mostly just saved both sets of guys for boss funnel

And just made that pull with the architect easier with two harpooners

Im not saying you can't do it, but historically getting the second set off adds

For the 3rd surge on swampface was broken

[undone beacon]

@jagged pier https://wago.io/EygwpDPvM/3

speed WA i use

[sick merlin]

damn... would you take myth track shoulders or hero brand...?

sim says shoulders but i dunno how accurate it is with brand

[undone beacon]

brand is contingent on whether you can gain and hold stacks

go kill hero soul hunters first

[mint knot]

Kira said current key levels are not high enough for him to take it, gigachad.

[neon elk]

Yea he decided he doesnt need it to live so instead he went with ea for more dmg but then droped whirling blades for stuff like bloodsurge, what a cook /s

[coarse kraken]

Hey there, what mode do you guys run for raidbot-mode? Dungeon Slice and others dont work for tank right?

[heavy sparrow]

Patchwork. 1:30 mins 5 bosses for mythic+ assuming packs

[coarse kraken]

thx!

[viral jackal]

Hate that vault day makes me choose.

Myth track bis shield or heroic antenna. (have myth tome/hero pacemaker)

Says heroic antenna is a 95 dps upgrade, which is crazy small. Feels like shield is easy to obtain through raid, but feels dumb to pass up on bis shield (have 720 crafted)

[neon elk]

I would take shield

When u simed antena did u sim with miss chance ?

[viral jackal]

probably not no, just with patchwerk 5 min standard

[exotic glade]

I just recently got into M+, is there no catchup on myth track gear besides mythic raiding? I'm confused because I hear people talk about rerolling for pushing keys and I'm like, isn't your character choice locked in early on because of the timegate on myth tracks?

[marble halo]

i dont have any of those parts myth yet 🤔

[jagged pier]

not hard to get myth pieces doing 8 10s a week

[marble halo]

still get wep right?

i have one crafted

[exotic glade]

But then u just get one piece a week?

[jagged pier]

yer and?

thats what ppl do

theres also crafts

[exotic glade]

I am just confused why rerolling is treated as trivial if it means like having your char be behind in ilvl for a solid 5-6 weeks

i feel like im missing somehting

[jagged pier]

cause it is, and a lot of ppl play more than 1 thing

so their alts are good to go

[exotic glade]

Ah ok ty

[dusky canopy]

133% gang

[lusty grotto]

@undone beacon

dh vault

of course the alt gets it before i do

[undone beacon]

Fuckin brand in alt vault lmfao

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[undone beacon]

My warr still doesn’t have a brand it’s okay

[lusty grotto]

🤝

mains struggle is real

[true plover]

Speed or a socket? Leaning towards speed for long term gain

[lusty grotto]

if same ilvl

speed since you can just socket afterwards

i have no idea what youre comparing to so

[dry skiff]

look at this guys xD we had spirit link on, he dragged everyone else to 1% hp and died himself . i could kill him myself if i could 😄

couldnt breath for 10 seconds

[lusty grotto]

wat

[dry skiff]

it was scary man

[dry skiff]

he didnt die in spirit link just dragged everyone to 1% hp with him

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what youre talking about

all im seeing is wind ups that havent been stopped

[lapis tapir]

no ire again, what do i do in the meantime?

[lusty grotto]

follow the post #protection message

or sim

[dry skiff]

nothing just thought you might find it amusing. we were scared xD

[undone beacon]

or die I guess

Why is your pfp the hulk hand with a Wendy’s wig

[lapis tapir]

idk discord had a wendy's promo and since i cant do the cool ones i had previously i just do the dumb one avail

[true plover]

Isn't the actual item being compared mostly irrelevant for that comparison if they are both M "BIS" for their slots? Or am I missing something?

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah

[lusty grotto]

i guess? but context is always nice

bis isnt really a thing, ilvl beats it

are they myth tracks?

if not, they arent bis

[true plover]

Fair enough. I know a lot of people call non-myth track items BIS all the time.

Both are mythic though

[lusty grotto]

yeah they are incorrect

but again im commenting in the dark here, is my point

hopefully it helps

[true plover]

To be fully transparent, it's either adding speed to my M legs or adding a socket to one of the crafted slots. I know the socket is the only one with measurable performance, but it seems weaker for a longer term investment.

[lusty grotto]

myth boots over crafted with dawn/dusk?

sim angle actually

if the gain from those is minimal, then sure speed is the way to go

tertiaries are whatever anyway

we often meme about them but they are not something you go for over power gain

[jagged pier]

i mean your craft should be belt and bracers

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree

[sick merlin]

some of us out here without hero boots...

[jagged pier]

i dont have hero boots

because they arent worth it over craft

[sick merlin]

i crafted them, i hope my warrior is ok

[true plover]

Yeah, I have all 3 slots already. The vault is literally just add the socket OR add the speed to the legs.

[glacial lynx]

My sims have me regemming to all maste/verse and going back to the delve belt I hate spending gold regeming

[lusty grotto]

dont sim gems

haste + crit thats it

[dusky canopy]

youre simming gems to move dps around by like 10-15k

and it will change everytime you get a new piece of gear

[jagged pier]

u just run gems to give u 8% movespeed

[dusky canopy]

hell itll change without a new piece some times lol

[glacial lynx]

Yeah I know but if my brain wasnt messed up would I play warrior?

[lusty grotto]

thats only a warrior thing in game

not outside of it

[true plover]

Why do our gems vary so much in sims?

[jagged pier]

because stats

we all ahve enough haste

and not enouhg anything else

for max dps

[true plover]

Doesn't that mean the sims are showing the actual optimal dps setup though?

[lusty grotto]

ideally you only wanna sim non haste stuff when your SB is at comfy levels with ITF

the problem is haste

[sick merlin]

ok is the sim not well suited for brand? i was debating about taking hero brand over myth shoulders but brand is coming up a loss vs my sac brood as well

[lusty grotto]

youre simming in a window

that may or not happen

[jagged pier]

i mean sims start simming other stats better than haste at like 21k haste

[lusty grotto]

and SB gaps happen the longer the window is

[jagged pier]

which it just about enough

[jagged pier]

we brand starts as 0 stacks in sims

but hc brand is easy to get i would honestly just go fro shoulder

[lusty grotto]

lol

easy to get you say

[sick merlin]

its not so easy for me tbh EXCEPT dinars in two weeks?

[lusty grotto]

objectively jakey is right, but we can have horrible luck

[sick merlin]

i only pug raid

[jagged pier]

we get dinars in 2 weeks?

[lusty grotto]

no

we dont

[sick merlin]

oh i thought the turbo thing is like oct 7

[lusty grotto]

they said later on after patch release

[sterile orbit]

idk s2 it felt rly bad using dinars for hero track

[sick merlin]

oh mb

[jagged pier]

i mean u obviously pug the raid because u got it in vault

so seems like u can get it in vault again / as a drop

were u compete against far less ppl for it anyway

[lusty grotto]

given my luck i would pick brand just to stop pugging

[true plover]

Have only seen 1 drop since first week on H and I didn't get it. Still using a normal one RIP

[lusty grotto]

we have not gotten brands in our heroic reclears in 3 resets

who knows if it drops this week on our myth kill, if we do well

extremely unlucky on that front

even with antennas

[sick merlin]

i might just take it yeah, im not really into raiding its kinda painful pugging, i did the first two bosses only this week and got lucky brand is in there... ill be happier taking it anyways and if you arent happy playing, what are you doing

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

[jagged pier]

we dont pay your sub

[sick merlin]

would you pay it?

[jagged pier]

no

[sick merlin]

ooh

alright

[sturdy fog]

ring seems like a no brainer right? first myth track item

[lusty grotto]

i would pick it yes

[idle mesa]

Hey guys im going for a full defensive build for pushing high keys, are these the right talents for it?

[lusty grotto]

yeah those are fine

[idle mesa]

Should i be playing bloodborne or bloodsurge for more defensive?

and thanks mate

[lusty grotto]

technically surge is more defensiveness since its more rage

borne is slightly more dps

[idle mesa]

Thanks nim 🙂

[mellow yoke]

Personally i wouldnt say to pick SS until you feel you’re getting trucked by mobs

And take SD

Or since ur running BS take BB

[warm plinth]

If youre running a defensive build but you're not running shield spec then what the hell are you doing lol

Like that's the opposite of defensive

[mellow yoke]

Until you feel bricked by mobs

If he wants to be full def thats fine

[warm plinth]

If you're not getting hurt by mobs then why are you running a defensive build at all

Just play execute build

[mellow yoke]

But if ur running full def ur losing on some damage

[near pewter]

I have a 720 crafted shield. do i take a myth crit mastery shield, or heroic antena

[mellow yoke]

Myth shield is top priority from vault isnt it

Also heroic antenna is not as worth it as myth antenna id say

What r your other trinkets

[near pewter]

i will never get myth antenna (I just pug heroic). I have myth pacemaker and champion ire

[mellow yoke]

Yeah get shield

[round pendant]

crazy