The 7000 was a fluke 
#protection
orchid narwhal
coarse bay
Should you only need that macro if youre like trying to shot call or in general pay attention to a lot more than your own play?
solid sun
I think marks and BM both performed well with the one button didn’t they?
coarse bay
Its not like my 15 second kick is a huge thing that i need a one button macro to be able to still do
solid sun
Don’t really think you should ever need that macro tbh
coarse bay
Thats what im saying, warrior rotation isnt very taxing
solid sun
It isn’t like what we’re doing is particularly complicated
coarse bay
And its not like warrior has all that much in terms of utility
solid sun
Hm
jagged pier
just wannt to say this is anyone current i know but this is in the past and literally top io in the past 
round pendant
yep another awful +12 on my rogue
blazing shuttle
Just wanted to say, thank you to all masterclass warriors on this Discord. Y'all tips got me to resi 14+ today, and still new to prot.
round pendant
yep another shit tank
solid sun
Let’s hear it
round pendant
makes no sense
jagged pier
i crashed out about last tiers tier set like 40 times
round pendant
thank god when someone else votes to abandon tho and I get to just not feel bad about dipping
solid sun
You know I asked a sub rogue if they needed to restealth and they said no
So I guess all rogues don’t need it
round pendant
yeah sub doesn't care
it wasn't about the restealth
idc if I get to restealth or not
blazing shuttle
You know I asked a sub rogue if they needed to restealth and they said no
I think it's mostly Assa that loses a shitload of DPS if they don't
(And Outlaw?)
mellow yoke
You know I asked a sub rogue if they needed to restealth and they said no
Sub rogue doesnt really get anything from stealth
Outlaw is minor
coarse bay
I dont think outlaw cares as mych
mellow yoke
But assa loses a lot
coarse bay
Assa just sucks
round pendant
he was just pulling like an idiot and chaining without any thought
coarse bay
I didnt do my rogue this season because its just another headache
round pendant
eh
sin is pretty good
and it's not a ton of damage loss from not getting a restealth
solid sun
Like the ass pinned messages is a whole novel of bugs
round pendant
you just spend some time rupturing things like you would halfway through a pull anyway
(if no vanish)
rocky crest
I really struggle in FG somehow, is there any kind soul that can inspect my log and give input ?
I feel like dmg intake is way too high than I last ran and timed it on 16
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RVfFvMgdjyqKTHkP?fight=last
coarse bay
There are honestly just a lot of classes id rather bring, and not have to worry about any stealths
round pendant
it's still more dps to chain than to restealth
jagged pier
i mean this
coarse bay
it's still more dps to chain than to restealth
Ya, but try telling that to any of the rogues ive played with
jagged pier
is bad
mellow yoke
it's still more dps to chain than to restealth
Depends
If mobs are like
Half health you chain
reef matrix
Ya, but try telling that to any of the rogues ive played with
There's a command for it in the rogue discord.
mellow yoke
But if they are about to die its worth letting him restealth
round pendant
yea of course
but if they're about to die usually sudden demise takes care of that anyway
and "chaining" when the mobs are on like 5% is just griefing anyway
chaining is when you have some mobs at like mid health and they're inconsequential to the next pack being dangerous or not for your group
usually after you've prio'd the scary mobs down
like, if the mobs are chainable and you've waited til they're 5% you've already griefed, is my point
cerulean tusk
The guy doing that:
WHY DO I HAVE SO MANY DEAD GCDS?! Pwarrior sucks man! 😠
round pendant
cunning ridge
for M+ focused tanking what embelishments are people using?
round pendant
2x dawn/duskthread
cunning ridge
ok ty 🙂
oblique garnet
demon
jagged pier
The guy doing that:
WHY DO I HAVE SO MANY DEAD GCDS?! Pwarrior sucks man! 😠
well they are playing with a macro so i doubt they noticed
trail dome
Does anyone have a weakaura for gloom bite casts? 👀
Had a look on wago and couldn't find one.
coarse bay
The dungeon pack made by causese works
lofty warren
How much time needed to get all the legion weapon appearances?
lusty grotto
and snarkier
also yellower
undone beacon
Jaundice
I’m prob gonna buy a name change cuz I thought it was funny but now all my chars have a naming scheme
And I ain’t releveling a damn evoker
lofty warren
But if you don't have the war ones bc you were a dh how much time to get them?
lofty warren
Ew was hoping 2-4 hours
strong forum
LOOO
nah
for the hidden one it takes 200 world quests and 1000 honorable kills for example
and ofc to get lucky to get it to spawn in the cave
lofty warren
Ohh you have to do the things that used to lock them? Weren't some behind some big grinds/ myrhic raid boss?
jagged pier
cant get the rbg ones in remix cause they skins of mage tower ones
strong forum
since itll be significantly easier
jagged pier
strong forum
ye
strong forum
i dont know if i can force myself to play it
lofty warren
Is the appearance account wide or class? Like I'd you completed the "do thing #1" on your war do you also get appearance for thing #1 on paladin without also doing it on ppal?
remote tusk
Only one I am missing is the Mage Tower one for RBG Wins. I think that was still doable if you had the appearance transmogged or the weapons in your backpack.
strong forum
yuh
lusty grotto
its still doable yes
remote tusk
Luckily that is account wide too.
hardy snow
lusty grotto
gzzz jawor
hardy snow
we got 2x glaives and 2x leather boots XD
remote tusk
we got 2x glaives and 2x leather boots XD
Let me guess, no Demon Hunter?
hardy snow
fortunately we had two 😄
lusty grotto
happy havocs
hardy snow
1 havoc only
tawdry cloak
Only one I am missing is the Mage Tower one for RBG Wins. I think that was still...
All of them are still doable, so long as you unlocked the appearance back then
lusty grotto
oh
chilly brook
lusty grotto
oh shit
strong forum
lusty grotto
i just remembered the underlight angler
which probably is stuck in my bank somewhere
orchid narwhal
i did it guys
frosty mango
I’m just waiting to sneak into sh on my war lol
orchid narwhal
ive achieved ignore pain
i hit the button
it only took a month to hit the button
but i hit the button
yeah still not good enough
lusty grotto
wat
orchid narwhal
its still not enough is wild
orchid narwhal
i just don't hit ignore pain enough
all the top logs have that order roughly in ignore pain casts
lusty grotto
the top logs?
orchid narwhal
this is the first time ive had ignore pain as my highest casts by a large margin
Yea
lusty grotto
whose top logs
orchid narwhal
people doin the key faster and better than me
frosty mango
How much you press IP is not as important as when you press IP
You’re still wasting a shitload of rage
orchid narwhal
I mean i wasted 3000 rage
i dont think it matters when i press it
cuz i can press it more
lusty grotto
so like this guy?
frosty mango
i dont think it matters when i press it
It 100% matters when you press it
lusty grotto
with this waste?
frosty mango
Because you can rage starve yourself in some scenarios or overcap yourselves in others
lusty grotto
yeah basically what roid is saying
orchid narwhal
with this waste?
what dungeon is that
fathom oasis
with this waste?
fk it's beautiful
lusty grotto
priory
orchid narwhal
damn
so idk what to do then, im hitting the button a fuck ton and wasting 3000 rage at this point
do i just push more into revenge
lusty grotto
its not about "hitting the button a fuckton"
fathom oasis
are you mayhaps pressing it while below 70 rage?
orchid narwhal
That key in particular I was hitting it pretty much between every gcd
fathom oasis
that's bad
orchid narwhal
Because i was capped on rage pretty much every gcd
fathom oasis
keeps you from having revenge available to reset Shield Slam
lusty grotto
right but
orchid narwhal
I made a weakaura
orchid narwhal
Okay wait hold on lets clarify whats happening here
frosty mango
Granted I did press ip way more than I should lol
lusty grotto
is the next gcd gonna rage cap you? (COUGH IS IT SS OR OUTBURST SS COUGH), then press it in between gcd windows
orchid narwhal
When I say in between gcds, theres still like a 1 second timer between shield slam casts, im just saying its in that .5 seconds
fathom oasis
i shall not share the amount of rage i wasted on my last 14 
frosty mango
ive never wasted rage
You just shout the excess at the pugs at the end of the key right
orchid narwhal
Okay so I have a question, does this mean that I should be hitting revenge a bit more in the rotation
lusty grotto
no
fathom oasis
it means you press IP when rage >70
lusty grotto
^
orchid narwhal
Okay so I made a weakaura that baisically just pings
fathom oasis
so you always have rage pooled for necessary revenges
orchid narwhal
everytime im above 70 rage
frosty mango
Should be close to 150
orchid narwhal
frosty mango
In a priory you’ll def have over 100
orchid narwhal
And everytime I heard that ping (every like 1.5seconds) for like forever, I just pressed it if I had shield block
lusty grotto
you can press IP at 60 rage if youre about to outburst an SS
orchid narwhal
Yea I just wanted to get my rage waste down, but I dont really know
frosty mango
And everytime I heard that ping (every like 1.5seconds) for like forever, I just...
So that aura is going to cause you to miss
fathom oasis
that's a good starting point, but ideally you can kinda predict when you are generating too much rage and your SS/TB are ready to go
orchid narwhal
The higher the key I get, Ive noticed that im generating more and more rage
lusty grotto
that's a good starting point, but ideally you can kinda predict when you are gen...
💯
orchid narwhal
Because my pulls are basicalyl always 5-7 mobs big
frosty mango
Bc your rage gain and expenditure is going to be faster than the event tick
lofty warren
Not gonna lie I push ip even if I'm at half bc my gives so.much rage
Are midnight Sims and tier lists available yet?
frosty mango
If you wanna use an aura like that I’d recommend setting it to 60
fathom oasis
still, if you were pressing IP so much, there is no way you wasted so much rage
fathom oasis
maybe while gathering mobs or sth, when you are paying less attention?
lusty grotto
post that log
frosty mango
Well it’s easy to see
frigid plume
how many executes are you casting
frosty mango
Just send the log
lusty grotto
why not
fathom oasis
be kind boys
lusty grotto
uhhh
frigid plume
ew
frosty mango
lol
orchid narwhal
😭
lofty warren
Why ppl skipping that talent
orchid narwhal
Hold on
I have a reason
Why am i statting into a defensive talent when im never dying
I'm barely proccing bsv
orchid narwhal
So what
The answer is that its not a rotational issue and its instead just a talent issue
?
rocky crest
FG and PSF will keep you awake at nights for some reason ppl cant cope from 16 to 17
orchid narwhal
FG yea is p bad
PSF isnt too bad if you have people in disc
Works out qutie well
Anyway I sitll never got an answer about this talent thing
fathom oasis
The answer is that its not a rotational issue and its instead just a talent issu...
i think most of the wasted rage is from moment like this:
i am not criticizing you or anything, merely pointing out what i see
orchid narwhal
No worries, I dont really have a soft skin for critique, I just need answers instead of "throws up hands u dimwit"
I dont understand the graph you created, this is just me not casting anything?
frosty mango
Look at resources > rage then look for where the graph stays at 100
Then zoom to those times and look at your casts
Those will be the windows where you are overcapping
grim pilot
cause they cant help but copy aggregates
tbh it's only ~ 3% dr
fathom oasis
few moments like this throughout
grim pilot
which u shouldn't need
orchid narwhal
few moments like this throughout
What are the bars showing
Sorry I'm not understanding the filter you put on this chart
fathom oasis
What are the bars showing
top is rage, bottom is IP cast
orchid narwhal
Ahhhh
Okay, so sometimes im just not pressing IP and its leading to bad moments like that
fathom oasis
to verify that you are not throttled by the frequency of IP required being higher than IPs own GCD
fathom oasis
Okay, so sometimes im just not pressing IP and its leading to bad moments like t...
i think so, yeah
lusty grotto
tbh it's only ~ 3% dr
do the math again
fathom oasis
lusty grotto
its literally a whole new track worth of block
orchid narwhal
you can use this and see specific moments:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...
Ty
lusty grotto
thats 3x6 ilvls
fathom oasis
you can use this and see specific moments:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...
you'll have a better idea of what was going on during those times
orchid narwhal
Any number runners in here
cunning ridge
if not playing the execute build for m+ in aoe its better to fill with revenge right?
coarse bay
if not playing the execute build for m+ in aoe its better to fill with revenge r...
Revenge if no thunderclap or ss
coarse bay
And enough rage
cunning ridge
Revenge if no thunderclap or ss
yeah i was meaning if like TC and SS are on CD and i already got SB up one target might be in execute range but the rest arent so i figured it would be better to revenge all instead of execute one
coarse bay
If you have nothing else to press and plenty of rage, plenty of ip, etc. then better than hitting nothing for sure
lusty grotto
there's no such thing as "plenty of IP"
you only press it when needed, i.e when deep wounds is off or you need resets
that rule doesnt change whether you play execute or not
or heavy handed
fathom oasis
assuming you are trying to fish for a refresh on SS, it would probably depend on number of targets
with enough targets i assume 1 revenge cast is more damage than 1 execute cast
cunning ridge
so what does deepwounds and ignore pain hav eto do with each other? im just now picking up warrior again after like 14 years. i been playing DK and monk for a while
fathom oasis
so what does deepwounds and ignore pain hav eto do with each other? im just now ...
you use revenge (mostly) to fish resets for SS, all the rage that is left over goes into IP
coarse bay
Im just saying if u dont need any rage for anything, might as well fish for refresh
fathom oasis
you don't stop casting SS/TB because you want to "use up" your rage, and neither should you overcap rage
lusty grotto
youre just wording it in a way that sounds incorrect
cause youre never not needing rage for anything
cunning ridge
ahhhh ok. so i been using it to much then cause i been spamming it alot. (yeah doing lower keys clearly) but i been keeping SB and SS and TC on CD and then i have a WA that lets me know how much IP i have and then i just dump into revenge
lusty grotto
IP capped? doesnt matter you still press it
cunning ridge
ah i didnt htink youd want to press it if it was capped
fathom oasis
ahhhh ok. so i been using it to much then cause i been spamming it alot. (yeah d...
yeah, don't use revenge to use up rage, use it to get SS back
grim pilot
do the math again
or 3.5%
idk forgot
either way it really doesn't matter
it's miniscule
lusty grotto
it does matter
fathom oasis
if you have too much rage just IP, even if you are capped
grim pilot
I don't see a key where it would make any difference
lusty grotto
especially for crit blocks
grim pilot
if you're playing properly
you have 0 survi issues
ergo you're losing out on damage for no reason
solid sun
Didn’t the people who weren’t using it start using it? And isn’t it like closer to 7%
lusty grotto
every single time a person comes in here and complains about shadowblades im gonna just link the log i take 75 fucking stacks and my health doesnt drop
and then point out that hey
i play shield spec
lusty grotto
myrt are you paying attention to this channel lately?
grim pilot
not very much
solid sun
But there’s no reason not to take shield spec.
lusty grotto
people are not taking it ON DEFENSIVE BUILDS
fathom oasis
what are your warriors made of lol, i melt when that happens haha
undone beacon
Here we go with shield spec discussion again pog
solid sun
The last time this topic came up it was decided you’re trading something like 7% DR for 1% or less damage
lusty grotto
just look at the guy linking the log, he said hes not proccing BSV and yet he takes everything but damage
grim pilot
people are not taking it ON DEFENSIVE BUILDS
on defensive build sure
lusty grotto
"i dont play execute builds"
grim pilot
but overall it's not the best talent point to advocate
lusty grotto
and what exactly is giving you more damage there
lusty grotto
lets sim
grim pilot
bloodborne is like ~ 2.5%-3% of my overall in keys
grim pilot
sure
but pressing execute can be iffy on hard pulls
so you're not using it at all
sometimes
orchid narwhal
Pressing execute is a death sentence sometimes
Fastest way to get rid of rage yea, but also the fastest way to die fast
Its fun to press though
lusty grotto
nah i dont agree sorry
orchid narwhal
Yea its just bad management to rpess for me LOL
lusty grotto
its like you both didnt play colossus last season
frosty mango
There is a zero percent chance you die
Due to execute
If you are going to die, no amount of ignore pain is going to save you
grim pilot
its like you both didnt play colossus last season
I didn't play warrior last season
outside of 10's
and in 10's i just played MT
and never even bothered to gear it fully
frosty mango
Honestly I’m just going to send a 16 or 17 next week and not press ignore pain at all
Just to prove my point
grim pilot
you can't allocate extra brain power
orchid narwhal
I mean thats just the nature of pulling 15 mobs LOL
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
the nature of pulling 15 mobs that all melee you?
so somehow shield spec is invalid?
solid sun
I’m trying to figure out who did the math
grim pilot
yeah but why would you play talent point that makes you live if you don't have issues with living
seems redundant
lusty grotto
so dont play BSV
grim pilot
that's not how it works
frosty mango
Ignore pain is a smoothing mechanism, it’s meant to smooth white damage intake because warrior has recover largely due to leech
But whether you live or die is related to your directionality and your use of mitigation tools like shield block and shield wall
grim pilot
tho
solid sun
Damn Nim is so fast
lusty grotto
thats a talent that lets you live, isnt it?
grim pilot
it's a safety net, defensive sometimes
orchid narwhal
^
grim pilot
you're allowed to fuck up
5% or 7% or whatever
extra dr
won't save you
75% dr will
frosty mango
I dunno if you are playing with a coordinated group I could see dropping shield spec bc it’s expected
lusty grotto
this is ridiculous coping
frosty mango
But just doing it in rando pugs seems like it’s not worth
grim pilot
I don't see at all how is it coping
frosty mango
It’s just so much more mitigation than you otherwise gain in damage
From that talent
grim pilot
If you will have hard time living keys sure
but you shouldn't
you're getting something that's useless
fathom oasis
i don't think the BSV argument is all that valid tbf
orchid narwhal
If you're playing perfectly, you never have a problem living
IF you make a mistake, you have a safety net
Idk why this is complex
solid sun
It isn’t like playing pwar is hard
orchid narwhal
As soon as we go to "playing the class isn't hard" we may as well as just leave the convo, nothing is hard and nothing matters LOL
lusty grotto
i think the biggest problem with myrt's argument is that bloodborne is somehow better than other picks, if youre gonna get more damage at least get MORE damage
solid sun
Some specs are hard though. Like bdk
mighty valley
i don't find any talents to be that useful in the content i'm doing (never logging in)
lusty grotto
and then 4% DR, that goes into 8% DR on crit blocks, is somehow not good.
I dont understand why we reocmmend ilvl > all on shields now
grim pilot
If you don’t have a problem living then isn’t bsv useless
idk
i don't think you understand how bsv works
if that's how you're approaching this argument
lusty grotto
might as well just do shit on a hero track shield, since it doesnt matter
grim pilot
might as well just do shit on a hero track shield, since it doesnt matter
I'm doing shit on 713 ilv char with 90 crests in bag and no mythic done this week if that helps
brb key
round pendant
and then I go on my tank to do some keys for my friend's vault
and it's impossible to fail 12s
where's the me's in my pugs when I play my rogue
:(
solid sun
Playing with the good dps
fathom oasis
just wanted to drop a fresh one
solid sun
Boom roasted
lusty grotto
the problem with this is that nobody really is playing a defensive build
you would pick something like fucking hunker down + FttF for that
- BSV + Armor Spec + Shield Spec
round pendant
I mean sometimes dropping to 30% isn't even that much of a mistake
fathom oasis
I don't think BSV should be compared to a whatever %dr talent
solid sun
I think the biggest thing about the shield spec conversation that truly confuses me is that usually we're told it isn't enough DR to want it but then the offensive pick up is even less extra damage than the DR that's being complained about
round pendant
BSV is pretty hard to get value out of imo
fathom oasis
BSV has probably saved many keys, while simultaneously being "useless" in others
round pendant
Probably useless in the vast majority of them
It did save me in a priory last season though
but I'd say that's a dungeon where you get good value from it
since the first boss was a nightmare
lusty grotto
oof my keyboard seems to be dying
round pendant
my mouse is dying nim
lusty grotto
i guess its time for hall effect
round pendant
left click keeps randomly getting stuck down (even tho it clicks back up still)
lusty grotto
10 y/o corsair btw
round pendant
and I keep accidentally walking through mobs and getting slapped on the ass
fathom oasis
it's also not just black and white, when you have BSV talented you can play more aggressively, and tune it down when it's on CD
round pendant
I mean you can treat BSV as an extra CD sure in that regard
but that's using it to maximise value and you're gonna intentionally let it pop?
That's a lot of effort for something that isn't necessary
imo it should just be baseline and we can stop having this debate every 3 months 
fathom oasis
i think that's the wrong way to look at it, don't think people are talenting it so they can pop it on purpose
fathom oasis
yeah, just wanted to set BSV appart from other talents that are more straight forward
because I don't think BSV is comparable to other talents that are used for a smallish active mitigation during the whole dungeon
sterile orbit
nah for the streets event i go rly fast cause i have bsv and dont care
solid sun
I don't really consider Shield Spec a small amount of mitigation
lusty grotto
and that im sure other tank discords also have
fathom oasis
poor choice of words, was just generalizing
solid sun
But I assume you mean whatever it maths out to vs the big percent BSV has. 75% or w/e
undone beacon
All these discussions are irrelevant, let’s talk about spell breaker instead
mighty valley
we don't take spellbreaker because we still want the game to hold some challenge
solid sun
I'll talk about Spellbreaker when it becomes it's own pure RNG based tank specialization
lusty grotto
if only it existed
solid sun
Harrow why did you stop logging in
lusty grotto
all i see is a dead node
solid sun
Are you secretly Nome?
mighty valley
oh it's just been a busy couple weeks
i was in a friend's wedding, i saw nine inch nails
solid sun
Do they still have nine inch nails?
mighty valley
it would've been difficult to do a key at either event
mighty valley
Do they still have nine inch nails?
yes, but once the tariffs are in effect we'll probably lose some inches
round pendant
I wanna learn bdk but I don't trust other class discords anymore
they're all so, so bad
solid sun
What happened, Yam
What did you encounter out in the wilderness
(Also isn't the BDK discord pretty good? Mandl knows what he's doing, yeah?)
round pendant
It's more that, consistently ever since I've been active in here
I've received better advice about non-warrior classes than I do in the actual class discords
lmao
solid sun
Well we are known for our boundless intellect
round pendant
some guy I forget who explained more about vdh to me here than I managed to discover in all of the dh discord
fathom oasis
zugging daily has been shown to increase your mental prowess
mighty valley
Are you back now?
yeah, i might scramble for a passable vault tonight, we'll see
i've also been playing 2xko in my limited gaming time
solid sun
Is that the league of legends fighting game
solid sun
Niiiiiice
I hope it's good
When it comes out I will thoroughly trounce you as a showing of great respect
mighty valley
Thoroughly is the only way to trounce someone
cunning ridge
theres no talent worth giving up to take sudden death for the execute proc and cleave in M+ for it to hit the 3 targets and such?
lusty grotto
why would you want to do that
cunning ridge
idk i figured we have a build that takes 3 other execute talents so i didnt see why it wouldnt be a good proc to have around.
round pendant
I wonder how many executes SD would get you in a key
lusty grotto
if you ever pick SD its for prio targetting dungeons which require specifically prio targetting, but you wont have a lot gcds to take it, and at 8+ mob pulls you really execute falls behind
round pendant
it could be a lot of damage tbh
worn reef
i sometimes check warcraftlogs and i see the floodgate trinket as one of the bis trinkets, im gonna guess its a bis trinket cause it does a lot of dmg right
lusty grotto
i sometimes check warcraftlogs and i see the floodgate trinket as one of the bis...
why didnt you check our guide
wowhead or icyveins
worn reef
oh i check icyveins as well
lusty grotto
does this answer your question?
cunning ridge
it was just me being curious like i said been away from warrior for like 14 years and was thinking man theres 3 other talents buffing it so a proc would be worth having i would think but also thats just me being fresh eyes to look at it for a second
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
it was just me being curious like i said been away from warrior for like 14 year...
you dont need SD to press execute
at any given moment there are mobs with lower health pools you can execute
especially in less than 8 target pulls
SD is an overall dps loss
its only used in keys specifically for prio targetting, if anything
unless... if youre pulling pack by pack
worn reef
oh cool added that wowhead link to fav
cunning ridge
i believe you. just was curious. i question small things here and there like that for classes when im doing things and learning
fathom oasis
i sometimes check warcraftlogs and i see the floodgate trinket as one of the bis...
it's specifically good in short fights
lusty grotto
uhh
what
oh you mean pacemaker
yeah its not a short/long fight thing
brand is
pacemaker nah
but again antenna basically owns it unless the player is picking orbs consistently
if it ever deigns to drop
worn reef
does frontline potion ever come in handy or not really for high keys like +13 and up i just use tempered potion for more dps but i know dawnbreaker got those mobs that put a stack on you and if the healer seems to struggle and your stuns not up to clear the stack maybe a good idea to use it there?
lusty grotto
tempered pretty much
meld pot is useful for skips higher up, thats it
and shocking disclosure in AK starting pull
worn reef
ok just making sure frontline is not a viable thing
lusty grotto
i dont even know what frontline is
i dont think ive ever used it in the whole expansion
oh
armor
fathom oasis
yeah its not a short/long fight thing
good in comparison to the other options* i guess lol
fathom oasis
i need to carry meld pots for when a random mob is being annoying in the overworld and i just wanna go on with my life
worn reef
im a bit lazy as a tank and if anybody here knows when you kill 2nd to last boss what should % be when you fly up that ship for the last boss, im sure somebody knows
in dawnbreaker
lusty grotto
94
worn reef
cool ty
fathom oasis
unless you want to do a pack while boss flies away
lusty grotto
unless you want to do a pack while boss flies away <:keks:936231610850897992>
doubtful, given what they were asking
context !
lusty grotto
deft mortar
does frontline potion ever come in handy or not really for high keys like +13 an...
Imo Frontline slaps
fathom oasis
it's never a bad moment to teach people that cool tech anyways
lusty grotto
nah frontline is garbage, dont listen to the stamina meme lord
fathom oasis
tempered potions give plenty of defensive stats
worn reef
yeah i timed a 12 yesterday and was like 5% short of trash and dk was typing % like 20 times on last boss lol im like just dps man i know lol....after boss died did that double pack with like 2 mins left
dawnbreaker that is
deft mortar
Listen to the guy with 30M max hp frfr
fathom oasis
well, you can do the pack AS the boss flies away
deft mortar
Not the DPSer prentending to tank
fathom oasis
lusty grotto
Not the DPSer prentending to tank
ive been a tank longer than you ever have
solid sun
Longer than you have been alive even!
lusty grotto
indeed
deft mortar
ive been a tank longer than you ever have
Tad bit hard to do that
lusty grotto
hard? easy? doesnt matter since i have been
solid sun
I def started as dps
sterile orbit
and shocking disclosure in AK starting pull
dam i didnt know this existed ty 🙂
round pendant
ive been a tank longer than you ever have
elitist 😔
humble relic
After getting shield and weapon crafted (Wont touch mythic raid only heroic) what is the recommended crafted? I was thinking of Belt neck or belt?
lusty grotto
After getting shield and weapon crafted (Wont touch mythic raid only heroic) wha...
wrist with dusk/dawn
and/or belt is fine
humble relic
Not a big hit losing delve belt?
lusty grotto
a 720 ilvl belt is way better than it
humble relic
I have 710 bracers with socket
humble relic
Awesome thank you! I appreciate the direction 😄
quiet monolith
Got the heroic dimensius tank trinket, is it even worth equipping ?
Seems to be nobody wearing it
I have heroic idol/pacemaker
quiet monolith
Yea the CD seems massive
I guess for push keys ( lower for me ) it could be useful
cunning ridge
the logic loop ring is like random stats right?
just hope for the best?
i got a heroic version out of my chest for the 4 dungeons just now and it has like 7k crit on it lol
north dagger
anyone got sth like a teleprompter for tanking dimmy mythic p3?
I always forget where to go
dusty jetty
guys is there a particular amount of haste we want?
cunning ridge
all of it is my goal
cunning ridge
i just lots like 10% haste but gained 14% crit cause i got that ring. i had a 681 haste master ring and now i have a 704 crit mastery ring 7300 crit on it lol
dusty jetty
huge
cunning ridge
ah i see i thought it was ranom stat didnt realize they are all logic gate just alpha or omega or something along those lines
dusty jetty
yeah
cunning ridge
well parry go up is good
fathom oasis
guys is there a particular amount of haste we want?
21k-25k
don't go much further
we don't care about the %
the rating is where it's at
at 21k we can afford to talent Into The Fray (ITF) and maintain a proper Shield Block uptime
dusty jetty
oo ok thank you!
bold shard
I think every time you queue in pugs as tank
the game gives you 1000 gold
but only just to us
because we're special
that way it won't cause inflation
lime mantle
That's very little, it should siphon 1500g from every dps and 1000g again for the healer.
That was yit causes zero inflation.
proud blade
do yall use battle stance or defensive stance?
bold shard
That was yit causes zero inflation.
I agree
cunning ridge
do yall use battle stance or defensive stance?
in raid when im wanting to be mean i go battle fuck it keep me alive healers. in keys im playing def stance
for now
mighty valley
do yall use battle stance or defensive stance?
bstance gives up a shitton of damage reduction for just 3% crit, only worth using when you’re truly not in danger
shut vigil
I'm curious about which tank has the most carry potential in a semi-high pugging environment. I just pug but I like playing difficult content. On my VDH I am hitting a really hard wall at 15s. I'm curious to try out either prot warrior or prot paladin. Any pointers?
frosty mango
I just had a tank who had like no haste an all vers gems
I was like hey man, that’s not ideal you should peep skyhold we’ll hook you up, give them my special discount code ROIDBURG for fast service
And he was like nah vers is bis
22% shield block uptime
orchid narwhal
I'm curious about which tank has the most carry potential in a semi-high pugging...
Prot pal is really hard but very good carry ptoential
Warrior very chill, bit better in coordinated environment
shut vigil
is warrior easier to self sustain with?
orchid narwhal
Yeah youre fairly independent
Prot pal has to get baby sar; warrior just naturally gets healed by the healer pool
Most healers dont worry abt you
shut vigil
I see. That's really good to know. I have a 3.1k rdruid so that does seem pretty accurate to my experience
think I'll go with prot warr, tyvm for the info. The lay on hands / save potential is nice, but I don't think I have it in me to master prot pal enough to the point of that not being offset by my subpar play.
jagged gust
It definitely feels like a spec that needs to be mained for a few seasons to really lock in on
shut vigil
the pain point with vdh's survivability is that it's exceptional on average but there are 3-5 second windows where you are liable to just straight up die to melee. The active mitigation (demon spikes) even with calcified spikes doesn't do nearly enough on its own and misrotating one of your longer cd defensives is extremely punishing.
is choice of race highly impactful for us in pve? I'd assume no but figured I'd ask anyway.
neon elk
Not realy, there are niche situations where u are like "damn i wish i was that or this " but thats it, u gona look at your char your whole game session, pick what u like most, difference is abysmall and even less in non cuting edge content
lusty grotto
ulda didnt even need dwarf tbh
just pull all the basilisks at once
and play a stop
can't half ass it gotta full ass it
all or nothing
on the very first season ulda showed up, even as a dwarf i had problems until i pulled ALL OF THEM
and then it was easy as fuck
or actually, i think i was orc still by then
frail ibex
This might be a dumb question but
Does cursed stone idol during the channel make it where we cannot block?
cause everytime I use it
without fail
I spike
neon elk
Its actualy one of strongest trinkets it just requires bit of planing when using
sick merlin
Trinket seller, I require your strongest trinket.
plush tendon
did this pull in a 17 Eco... we somehow didnt die and timed the key
actually amazed
shut vigil
did this pull in a 17 Eco... we somehow didnt die and timed the key
:0. Did the big boy patrol get pulled by the top right mob, which then chained the other 2 small bugs?
plush tendon
:0. Did the big boy patrol get pulled by the top right mob, which then chained t...
Well I usually have our mage pull the 3 creepers… but he wasn’t around so we had two dps
shut vigil
oh you do all 3 creepers there?
plush tendon
Big boi accidentally pulled
shut vigil
interesting
plush tendon
oh you do all 3 creepers there?
Very easy and great count
You can avoid gloom bite damage
By walking a couple yards away while they are casting it
I just kite around the center crystal thing
shut vigil
pretty cool. Good to know! Ty!
shut vigil
no every time I've pulled one it has been a wipe
that being said, I only pug so there is that
plush tendon
Yea, healer stepped up
And our pug mage was a chad spell stealing like a champ
Helped him time his first two 17s
Well deserved for him
shut vigil
oh awesome! I'll cheer you on from +15 all-pug hell
shut vigil
fury is top 3 damage in most dungeons
plush tendon
Even if we double up battle shout
shut vigil
or at least was at the random time I checked one time
plush tendon
It’s nice to have a consistent damage profile in the group
shut vigil
honestly I'm very curious about silly comps. 3 frost dks. 5 paladins.
3 frost dks all with atennae or the prism or whatever makes them go 80M dps randomly in a pull, one gambit dungeon
I need to see it
dense cradle
3 frost dks all with atennae or the prism or whatever makes them go 80M dps rand...
pre stacking 18 stacks of prism before key start
jagged pier
u can pre stack ire too i believe
bold shard
u can pre stack ire too i believe
your icon is the heroic strike icon!
an ability we no longer have 😮
ember basin
Aloha guys! How are y’all checking your rage generated/spent? And is there something similar for casts that were not interrupted? I know details gives me a break down of interrupt per player.
bold shard
thats the wow player from the south park episode!
ember basin
It is also a pretty accurate pic of me in rl
jagged pier
Aloha guys! How are y’all checking your rage generated/spent? And is there somet...
logs
west ferry
Hello, I am Ilvl 692 can I start doing +2 mythic keys? Or should I gear more
Sorry if its a stupid question i am new to the game
viscid lantern
You're ready to go
mellow yoke
Well I usually have our mage pull the 3 creepers… but he wasn’t around so we had...
3 creepers
Madman
round pendant
Just step em ezpz
round pendant
Hello, I am Ilvl 692 can I start doing +2 mythic keys? Or should I gear more
yes
oh someone already answered 3 hours ago
I just woke up ok
prime sphinx
Hello, I am Ilvl 692 can I start doing +2 mythic keys? Or should I gear more
ofc, ppl did 10s in 685 last tier gear at start of season
serene wave
How valuable are boots for us? Like if I get em on vault on Wednesday, should I prio them or a myth trink/wep?
arctic citrus
Woke up and chose i would do some 10 a fury (played prot for 2 season), good lord i forgot the struggle 😄
torn gulch
How valuable are boots for us? Like if I get em on vault on Wednesday, should I ...
i feel like cloak-enhancing boots are not that valuable unless they re myth track because of the randomness of the cloak absorb
i'll choose a myth track boots with good stats over heroic raid boots
so prio your weapon trinket etc
fathom oasis
Woke up and chose i would do some 10 a fury (played prot for 2 season), good lor...
Here's the recipe for pugging m+:
- play a desirable role
- be overgeared/over-rio'd
- use your key
Need at least 1
arctic citrus
712 and still not a metaslave dps 😄
guess back to tankpass 😄
when i can check all of it 😄
fathom oasis
I can list a 10 and get a meta dps spec with 3k+ rio and 714+ ilvl lol, the competition is just too fierce
round pendant
it's because 3k is too easy imo
Everyone gets there in a couple weeks and then if you have no interest in pushing for fun then you just do weekly 10s/12s
which means 10s are filled with overqualified players
so playing alts or trying to play dps for fun is just a no go after the first month unless you have a premade
fathom oasis
Pretty much
It would happen even if 3k wasnt easy to get though
Just due to the fact that people offering a good key are a minority when compared to how many dps want to get in said key
round pendant
Yeah but it'd delay the time it takes for those players to stop pushing and start doing weekly keys
fathom oasis
I think resil keys were a very good addition, but I'm still waiting for them to come up with something that makes people more willing to offer their key
fathom oasis
As it is, playing a non meta dps (sometimes even heal/tank) without a premade is a terrible experience
fathom oasis
Would it really be so bad if high keys didn't deplete? Raiders can wipe on a boss without having to redo the previous boss each time
frosty mango
If high keys didn’t deplete no one would ever run anything but high keys and 10s
This would make 11-14/15 a dead zone
This is already a problem
fathom oasis
That already happens with the current system, no? People with resil 13s dont do 12s
neon elk
Pretty much unless its for vault
Its individual for everyone, but even with resil keys once u hit your "wall" u are depleting way more than pushing, and u soon realize u cant fill your vault with your push keys so u just go few levels bellow for that , or just straight 10s for an ease and it just scuffs that even more
bleak scaffold
You do other's 12 if you do PUG and want to fill in the vault, even 10s.
fathom oasis
I mean, blizzard would never remove key depletion because it fills up a lot of gaming time and they need their statistics
bleak scaffold
🤑
fathom oasis
But being forced to run a lower key every time you fail (specially when solo queueing) feels bad
bleak scaffold
Yes clearly. You already feels bad about the run itself and then you have to rerun lower level before retrying ... not counting the possible backlash from the other players.
That's my yesterday's evening :x played terrible and my mates too, just did 2 10s, it wasn't the good time to play 😄
fathom oasis
Still, mine is a totally worthless opinion, seeing as how I never go into actual push territory
bleak scaffold
but if you never get real downside of "losing" ...
Maybe put deplete timer. If you drop the key on the way, deplete, if you finish it within +50% time you keep the same level, over 50% deplete
fathom oasis
I'd be interested to know what's the opinion of people that are regularly pushing top keys
fathom oasis
Maybe put deplete timer. If you drop the key on the way, deplete, if you finish ...
A midpoint that rewards doing the key partially correct doesnt sound that bad honestly
Would only apply to premades though, as people couldn't care less about your key in pugs
bleak scaffold
right ...
neon elk
Rwmoving* key depletion wont solve anything , or not that much , and will create another bunch of issues
cerulean tusk
What if key only depleted if abandoned?
dusky canopy
What if keys depleted if you didn’t finish them within the allotted time?
steep pivot
hey did brand got nerfed?
steep pivot
i feel it did more damage before... idk if im playin better now and its dmg is gettin down
iron atlas
You guys have any good routes for pugging floodgate 16+?
cerulean tusk
Could also be a hundred things, boss death timings, downtime moments, so on and on
Also, my BDK is built with quite a bit of vers/crit
steep pivot
i like to do the two bosses first and then luust the big momma
hey i recraft my belt from last season with socket and everything and i loose the socket!!! wtf
dusky canopy
People think they want keys to be easier to time and never deplete but fail to realize all that does is muddy the waters even more for pug only players because nobody’s skill changes you just have more people queuing for key levels they are not really ready for they have just thrown them selves at the pug wall enough times to land 4 people that could carry them
Tbf people already do this throw at wall strat but it’s less common than it would be with no depletes
frosty mango
this is why I say completed keys > io
if you have 30 completed 15s I know you are not a carry
if you have 4 completed 15s and they're all gambit
im not inviting you
🤷
steep pivot
i did an dawn14 yesterday and i said i was not sure about the route, and that im learning the prot spec... the priest was very mad, commplaining about everything... at least we timed! hehe i mean, complain if we fail right?
frosty mango
i did an dawn14 yesterday and i said i was not sure about the route, and that im...
people are gonna complain
let em
steep pivot
"are you learnin on a 14 ?!" but how id learn the dmg profile if the low keys has no dmg
fathom oasis
if you have 30 completed 15s I know you are not a carry
I have a few friends that push as dps and they nostly never do keys they already have
Ina pug setting, why would you anyways, unless you are using your key
This is not a complaint though, merely food for thought
steep pivot
I have a few friends that push as dps and they nostly never do keys they already...
ye, ppl only play if they get io (i mean pushers)
dusky canopy
I typically do not que into anything that doesn’t give io either unless I’m spamming vault/crests
Unless helping a friend of course
steep pivot
ye me too big brew
bleak scaffold
in the end (and now you have linkin park in the head, don't thank me) we should just play premade 😄
eager phoenix
problem with only queueing for score keys is you will hit a higher io faster but not necessarily be more experienced. i've seen some dps guys with a lot of timed keys in specific brackets and ofc they are gonna mald if i show up at same io and perform subpar.
fathom oasis
Not being able to practice the key you failed wont allow you to improve at it is what I'm thinking
In the end, people who are really competitive just practice in the tournament realm, I guess
vale escarp
hey i recraft my belt from last season with socket and everything and i loose th...
It was always like this, did you expect to keep your Season 2 Socket on Season 3 Gear?
tawdry fossil
hey i recraft my belt from last season with socket and everything and i loose th...
Would be unfair to keep the socket you got from skipping vaults when other people need to skip vaults this season for it
steep pivot
It was always like this, did you expect to keep your Season 2 Socket on Season 3...
i didnt knew!
dusky canopy
Experience is gained throughout the climb, knowing what is threatening and what needs to be stopped. And by the time you get to a key level where it matters you’ll likely have the “experience”
Same as defensive usage
You learn quickly what you need to defensive
solid sun
I don’t believe in pushing keys. I only pull them
dusky canopy
Especially when you have an wa pack saying “defensive” in your ears
fathom oasis
Sure, I share the belief that doing a lower key increases your experience
dusky canopy
In a general sense higher io with less keys timed likely means better player because success rate is higher
fathom oasis
But it sucks that if I want to try an aggressive 1st pull in AK for example, that I'm not very experienced at, I risk it all by doing it in a key
Resils help with that thankfully
dusky canopy
Obviously being boosted is a factor but it’s hard to rule that out it’s just a poison the system has
eager phoenix
i mean anyone can get indirectly carried and oneshot a score key
round pendant
People think they want keys to be easier to time and never deplete but fail to r...
This is literally already the case as most people don't run their own keys and effectively don't have to give a shit about depleting
frosty mango
Sometimes I just queue up for a 6
steep pivot
In a general sense higher io with less keys timed likely means better player bec...
ye, and the exp of the gamer is not only by seasons... i have big friends gamers that have pushed before but they are not playin now... but if they start to play i know they would jump the keylevel like nothing
fathom oasis
Can anyone play in the tournament realms? No, right? Only if you're signed for MDI or sth like that?
round pendant
Not to mention the thousands of ripped keys that drop to a 9 and feel extremely fucking pointless to run and then never get ran
means there's just less groups to join
dusky canopy
The only reason people don’t host their own keys is because the key they have isn’t one that gives io and they have limited play time so it’s more efficient time use to gamble in a pug group that has a key you need score from
steep pivot
i agree with you yam, coz the dif between is so little
bleak scaffold
For people running 10 at least 8 times a week for vault maybe !
fathom oasis
I think there's plenty of bad people running keys in the 2-9 range
round pendant
The only reason people don’t host their own keys is because the key they have is...
my 10 on my alt got bricked this week so it was literally pointless to run so I just joined 12s and my key is still a 9
bleak scaffold
But for new players we need that many levels !
fathom oasis
Lots os space for people gearing out too
round pendant
instead of depletes, if they made it so everyone's key gets upgraded to the same as the hosts on success
I'd be happy
dusky canopy
Not to mention the thousands of ripped keys that drop to a 9 and feel extremely ...
This is actually where I would concede my debate slightly, I personally do not think keys should have a timer or be deplete able at +10 or below
Not likely but it’s my opinion on it
eager phoenix
i'd like to see a system where keys stop scaling at some arbitrary level, but the timer becomes shorter the higher you go
fathom oasis
That's just this season though, because they are easy
steep pivot
I think there's plenty of bad people running keys in the 2-9 range
ive heard that one action button has improved the gameplay of the playerbase in general
round pendant
and +11s are so awkward too
blazing shuttle
11s are the weirdest.
bleak scaffold
When starting you want to have a progress curve on difficulty
fathom oasis
Season 1, specially before all the nerfs, 10s were tough
dusky canopy
11 is a useless level yeah if you’re not doing a 10 you might as well do 12 and not deal with the affix
blazing shuttle
11 is a useless level yeah if you’re not doing a 10 you might as well do 12 and ...
Exactly.
round pendant
When starting you want to have a progress curve on difficulty
+4 -> 7 -> 10 should be the 3 levels before guile + infinite scaling imo
dusky canopy
I have never really cared for any affixes, but I also am the kind of person who can do repetitive grinds
bleak scaffold
I restarted Wow with TWW, S1 was tough ... note that I stopped at Cataclysm, so there was no M+ ... brand new system and way of playing, back in the days we didn't pull trash by groups, but 1 by 1 😄
fathom oasis
A whole different debate is whether having virtually no affixes in M+ makes thr game feel stale
round pendant
remove what is functionally 11, have it start at +12 difficulty at +4 and scales forever
steep pivot
agree, i had more fun with seasonal afix, like prideful, awenked... was fun
bleak scaffold
I meant, one pack of trash at a time ^^
solid sun
Prideful was not fun lol
fathom oasis
90% of the people playing M+ dont ever complete a 12 I think. Having all their levels reduce to 3 to catter to the top 10% sounds odd
round pendant
I prefer the old affixes to these current ones tbh
but no affixes entirely feels better still
keen nova
I prefer the old affixes to these current ones tbh
xdddddddd
steep pivot
I prefer the old affixes to these current ones tbh
yes that i was tryin to say xD
bleak scaffold
Yeah the affixes ... depending on which affixe you must have some specifics to manage them, it's sometime a pain
solid sun
Think it depends on how often you key and personal taste. I know quite a few people who miss affixes when they do high keys all week long
round pendant
90% of the people playing M+ dont ever complete a 12 I think. Having all their l...
Why does it matter? very few people are running 3,4,5, 8 or 9
fathom oasis
I think we are biased
round pendant
no the numbers literally show like 70% of keys run are 10s
fathom oasis
What does raiderio say?
bleak scaffold
Is there any real stats on that ? I'm curious, i feel like lots of below 10s are done
neon elk
They should make more interesting seasonal affixes that are there at all levels but not bring all the old onrs back, as that created a dead and push weeks which was shit
neon elk
Is there any real stats on that ? I'm curious, i feel like lots of below 10s are...
There is more 10s done than 2-9s combined
dusky canopy
I could get behind a single season affix that never rotates and is active for all dungeons
The thing is with them rotating dungeons now is that really needed?
eager phoenix
There is more 10s done than 2-9s combined
i mean it kind of makes sense? people who seek out m+ as a game mode are probably more invested
idk what the stats are for random non-ranked BGs vs ranked pvp (for similar comparison)
neon elk
The thing is with them rotating dungeons now is that really needed?
If we had different 8 dungs each season i would say no, but since we have same dung for 2nd season now and same "affixes" also, its kinda lame
eager phoenix
also, delve kind of fills the "need" to run 2-9 keys and is probably a better experience in every way
neon elk
Well not all dungs but like half ? And changes they made to them didnt change them that much to feel different
dusky canopy
There is more 10s done than 2-9s combined
You know how many people log into a fresh 80 and either buy +10s or get rat carried by friends and don’t even touch the levels 2-9? 😆
round pendant
neon elk
You know how many people log into a fresh 80 and either buy +10s or get rat carr...
Sadly i do , i have such friends xd
fathom oasis
65% of the population doesn't have all dungeons at +10
round pendant
I mean that includes a lot of people who've done like 3 dungeons
steep pivot
i mean, ofc 10s is going to be hier, and it shall be even hier... coz of progressioon early season ppl did loow keys, but now only alts
round pendant
looking at what proportion of keys are actively being run is a better metric
dusky canopy
Sadly i do , i have such friends xd
I literally would not play an alt if I didn’t have friends to carry my rat ass through 10s immediately
fathom oasis
looking at what proportion of keys are actively being run is a better metric
but few people are also running lots of keys
which also skews that
neon elk
I literally would not play an alt if I didn’t have friends to carry my rat ass t...
Yea its so much pain there..
dusky canopy
2-9 is a complete time waste after week 1
fathom oasis
2-9 is a complete time waste after week 1
if classic wow's taught me anything, it's that there are many people who are terrible at the game
solid sun
I literally would not play an alt if I didn’t have friends to carry my rat ass t...
I legit almost quit last week. I have carried so many alts kicking and screaming through 10s for my friends. Got on my mage and no one would carry.
round pendant
I legit almost quit last week. I have carried so many alts kicking and screaming...
tank life
Same here btw
steep pivot
I literally would not play an alt if I didn’t have friends to carry my rat ass t...
me too! hehe i mean, at some point that pacing of progression is waste of time... we know how to climb and climb the most effective... so anything besides that we would feel waste of time
bleak scaffold
I legit almost quit last week. I have carried so many alts kicking and screaming...
that are good friends ..
round pendant
no one in my friends group wants to play tank
got one friend who likes healing tho so I can at least get in some groups that way
dusky canopy
me too! hehe i mean, at some point that pacing of progression is waste of time.....
Precisely
round pendant
I mean, when +3s have less participation than +16s
it's a useless level
Just remember DF when it was even worse than this lmao
dusky canopy
It’s all about time management as an adult playing modern WoW
fathom oasis
specially now that you can't even do normal dungeon > hc dungeon > mythic dungeon, the gaps force you to do delves and shit if you did normal progression
bleak scaffold
Yes but why remove lower level when it's still usefull for some people. for those who runs 10+ it's a very short way up there ..
round pendant
It's not useful
dusky canopy
I don’t think they should remove 2-9
solid sun
Every day you should be given random key levels you’re allowed to participate in :>
bleak scaffold
It’s all about time management as an adult playing modern WoW
sleep is useless ... :x
dusky canopy
It’s there for the people who need it
fathom oasis
yeah
fathom oasis
i've played with people that depleted a +2
dusky canopy
A large majority of the WoW population actually
bleak scaffold
I "played" a 3 with new players, it was just too hard for them !
fathom oasis
those people need all the low levels they can get
dusky canopy
We are very much in our own little bubble of “elitism”
round pendant
They're marginally harder than a 2 that is trivial which has a 90% timed rate
dusky canopy
We are not typical gamers
fathom oasis
deffo
round pendant
6s are 96%
swayed by the fact people go back to farm it for a hero drop or two
but still
it's trivial content for the vast majority of players who actually play it
bleak scaffold
Why do you want to remove them ? you just blast through them, you don't really care are you ?
round pendant
I ain't saying remove all of them
going from m0 to m10 would be absurd
but there's no reason to have half of them
mellow yoke
I actually played a +2 on my marginally overgeared warr with all dps talents
bleak scaffold
Moving from +7% health/dmg to like +50 is not trivial for all players
mellow yoke
And it was just such a pain
dusky canopy
Bro Skyrimgrandma type players log onto wow to do +2-5 and get excited about their success at the end. And this is perfectly fine and should exist in the game forever
mellow yoke
Actually took more time than a 10
round pendant
like I said, 4->7->10 would make sense and make getting my alts up there less annoying
mellow yoke
I think they need to scale 4 as 1 and 7s as 2
And so ob
So u can get respective level gear
bleak scaffold
Because you have low IO on your alt and have difficulty to get up to 10s in pug ? if wow just showed account higher IO in it's own interface then ...
mellow yoke
And crests
round pendant
4, 7, 10 -> 1,2,3
12+ -> 4,5,6.. so on
would be perfect
for everyone
I will die on this hill
fathom oasis
didn't they already squish keys this expansion*? 1-20 went down to 1-10
round pendant
s1
and then they made m+ significantly easier in s2 so it negated most of that
and there's a bunch of dead levels
s1 actually felt pretty good imo
mellow yoke
S1 was good yes
steep pivot
The lower pug key is worse than hier pug keys, i mean, the lower one tends to fail more… coz the amount of information that a gamer has to know to step on a hier is enough to cover an important task or mechanic that would wipe or make a very hard time… so on lower ppl dont know it yet so it takes more time or even depletion xD
round pendant
Because you have low IO on your alt and have difficulty to get up to 10s in pug ...
because key terrorists brick my key and I end up with a dead key for the rest of the week
if it was the system I proposed they could just remove keys entirely for 1 2 and 3
cursive fox
do we have haste breakpoints?