Okie yes so mistakes being made, okay good to know
#protection
orchid narwhal
strong forum
1 IP aint gonna save your life if it means youre gonna afk right after
mellow bridge
as MT you only ever press revenge if ss/tc/tb are on CD and you have plenty of rage
lusty grotto
yep big mistake
mellow bridge
spend the rage on IP instead and press SS
lusty grotto
IP is off gcd, if youre spending rage on revenge youre using a gcd that could have gained rage instead of consuming it (which you can do in between gcds with an off-gcd ability)
strong forum
you dont wanna generate -> spend - spend - spend - dry
you wanna generate -> generate + spend -> generate + spend -> generate + spend
lusty grotto
☝️
strong forum
to always keep the cycle going
orchid narwhal
I have a bunch of super niche questions today, but since people are available i feel that i should ask
Sometimes you get insane procs on tb, and you have avatar up
Like im talking 6 tb procs with avatar up
lusty grotto
yes
jagged pier
u just send avatar
lusty grotto
thats one of our hero talents
orchid narwhal
At what point do u stop holding the thing LOL
jagged pier
u dont wait on avatar
strong forum
you dont
jagged pier
nome i once held avatar for like 20 second sbecause i kept getting TB procs
oh u werent replying to me
strong forum
gj wasting damage
orchid narwhal
Okay so you try to empty as much as u can before avatar comesu p, and then if it comes up and ur getting procs, just send anyway?
vestal epoch
sim is saying to take the belt? or do i take shield (i have crafted 720 shield)
jagged pier
gj wasting damage
i wanted to test if u could, but the answer is no just send i was getting angry i kept procing TBs 
strong forum
if you just wanna vibe and do big dam pick belt
lusty grotto
thats a craft slot though
strong forum
those 3 ilvl aint gonna make or break anything longterm but its TECHNICALLY the optimal play
vestal epoch
damn i want to do both lol
strong forum
ye like, pick belt if you dont have myth belt
those 3 ilvls do provide more damage reduction obv
but like
orchid narwhal
Belt also craftable slot
strong forum
to WHO do those actually matter
orchid narwhal
Not many good slots to craft in these days
vestal epoch
i just dont like how shield is mastery
strong forum
you want some mastery anyway
strong forum
like you want 8k+ of every stat
haste you want shitloads
crit is fantastic
vers is vers
and mastery is also useful
strong forum
ah
vestal epoch
ok i was about to say i am confused lol
lusty grotto
mastery is huge for AP so just because its last on our prio, it doesnt mean you avoid it
thats why mastery on use trinkets are usually very strong
except this season i guess
since there arent any relevant ones
vestal epoch
i have 38% crit when into fray is not on
lusty grotto
plus crit block chance is good
vestal epoch
38% haste*
vestal epoch
ya
lusty grotto
ok so whats the question
minor aurora
So, bite the bullet and craft 720 haste/crit belt?
vestal epoch
lol it was do i take belt or shield
minor aurora
still leaves me with 130 Crests
lusty grotto
So, bite the bullet and craft 720 haste/crit belt?
yes dude i told you to do it hours ago
bleak scaffold
Don't be cheap on enchants on 720+ items :x
strong forum
ye both enchants are cheap ones
orchid narwhal
Use runed to upgrade your stuff to 704
lusty grotto
and bracer enchant
grim pilot
Enchants nowadays cost fuckall
bleak scaffold
300 leech on the brac and cloak I'm not sure about the diff but that might be 0.5% at least for those 2
minor aurora
Use runed to upgrade your stuff to 704
don't have it, capping gilded
grim pilot
U can get that gold from wq even
lusty grotto
ehhhh
minor aurora
guys, this is an alt, lol
strong forum
still 
minor aurora
i'll get the 3 stars enchants
strong forum
why cheap
jagged pier
still
lusty grotto
idk about EU prices but
strong forum
lusty grotto
NA prices are fucking insane right now
vestal epoch
ok ima take shield and craft belt
grim pilot
idk about EU prices but
5k for cloak and wrist
grim pilot
Around 3/2k each
orchid narwhal
like wtf
lusty grotto
le goblinos
grim pilot
x10 is a lot
jagged pier
nah ppl are driving prices
minor aurora
Radiant Power or change it for another?
jagged pier
sim
lusty grotto
yeah basically what Jakey is saying when it comes to mats/etc
grim pilot
I thought about buying some stuff for s3 as an investment
But i thought its too late
When i thought about it
bleak scaffold
Jakey, do you have Discord macros ? like "sim" and "shield" lol
grim pilot
Pots, flasks
lusty grotto
my jc didnt even have the socket recipe, i just snagged it last week from the AH and made the gold back extremely quick
and then some
minor aurora
sim
does not work for survival, only dmg. I feel like right now i need to survive more a bit.
lusty grotto
it works for survival
cause your secondaries
offer defensiveness
more dps in sims usually equals higher secondaries where it matters, and the dps provided by those is mirrored in part by their defensive counterparts
grim pilot
does not work for survival, only dmg. I feel like right now i need to survive mo...
it 100000% doesn't matter what enchant you use survi wise
if you have any survi issues it's purely gameplay problem
which can be resolved by log review and not different enchant
lusty grotto
that's also true
every single secondary for tanks offers defensive gain, just keep that in mind
grim pilot
with just pressing ss on cd, tc if you don't have (not managing outbursts or anything), maintaing sb at all times and rage dumping ip no matter what rage (yes not optimal) you can easily survive 15's/16's
lusty grotto
youre not pressing your skills period, revenge is not really what you should be focusing on
log a run and we can check it
minor aurora
And i feels shield and IPain should switch places.
lusty grotto
we cant really do that with details windows
lusty grotto
that SB uptime is very very low
but cant check without logs
could explain why you think you need to "survive more"
log a run or look for that dungeon's log in WCL and post it here or in #1347646810457636974
minor aurora
Ok, will do
it was a Dawn, so a lot of downtime too
but yeah, SB need to be a lot higher
prime sphinx
dawn and 2nd damage is brand ye u not pressing any buttons
next bramble
guys at what % haste should I stop stacking it ?
jagged pier
25k rating
undone beacon
it was a Dawn, so a lot of downtime too
Details is only countin in combat uptime for those metrics
So 33% of the time you were in combat you had no shield block up
Dawn will always show a little lower because of Rashanan rp but not 33% less
storm dove
is prot strong and easy for Gnome ?
coarse bay
is prot strong and easy for Gnome ?
What is gnome?
storm dove
What is gnome?
best race in the game
high latch
That's a hot take. Jokes aside though, yes, prot is really strong and gnome is perfectly fine.
coarse bay
Ya, just wasnt sure what you meant, prot is good on any race
storm dove
That's a hot take. Jokes aside though, yes, prot is really strong and gnome is p...
is prot strong on raids and mythic+ too?
high latch
is prot strong on raids and mythic+ too?
Yep. Meta contender.
coarse bay
Prot warrior is as strong as the player
storm dove
yes but some people think gnome tank is weak and squishy cuz of small size
lusty grotto
or just bad memeing in general
plush tendon
probably
high latch
Escape Artist can also come in clutch, but not my favorite ability.
storm dove
im so tired of this people calling me trol after asking normal question as a new player
lusty grotto
and now it turned into a 1guy
storm dove
Smaller races have smaller range no?
lusty grotto
races dont matter
storm dove
also i thiught defense stat and health is lower on gnome
high latch
Yeah the differences between races are very small. Pick what you like the look of most.
jagged pier
difference races used to have different sized hit boxes, but never reduced defence or hp stats
lusty grotto
vanilla*
plush tendon
races would have different base stats
jagged pier
not enough to matter
plush tendon
prob lasted longer then vanilla
lusty grotto
the only thing that mattered on races was weapon specialization
and perhaps hp pool, just a tiny bit
jagged pier
the hitboxes did matter tuaren tank could do things on lady vash no other tank could 
plush tendon
did they ever normalize the base stats of races?
i mean, the difference with gear is literally the margin of error for the margin of error ^2
lusty grotto
its inconsequential
plush tendon
incredibly so
undone beacon
im so tired of this people calling me trol after asking normal question as a new...
Class discords are a dark and dangerous place where nerds optimize specs. Its a totally valid question as somebody brand new to the game because logically it makes sense a tiny little gnome wouldn't make a good tank but in execution races in wow make a very small difference. Play whatever you think looks cool and it'll be gravy
undone beacon
I think you're wrong for picking gnome objectively and factually though because gnomes suck
goblins 10x cooler
lusty grotto
gnomes are cool
undone beacon
lusty grotto
i like being a gnome on recalibrators
plush tendon
Gnome are too small for me
undone beacon
I played a Mechagnome in Plunderstorm
plush tendon
like Tauren are too big
Tauren size is still kind of a debuff just for seeing things sometimes
undone beacon
I miss plunderstorm
lusty grotto
lol
undone beacon
Tauren size is still kind of a debuff just for seeing things sometimes
Tauren size is a debuff for doorways
lusty grotto
i just played gnome in ole plundy
undone beacon
I liked that you could swap races freely in plunderstorm because it was purely cosmetic
If only
undone beacon
people charge too much for glamours on ah I swear
undone beacon
true
I have a race change in the wings for my warr but I just cant commit to leaving behind my goblin ways
lusty grotto
one of those things that there's really no reasonable answer to why its such a dumb long cd
undone beacon
because if u wanna play another race so bad buy a race change 4head
lusty grotto
yeah ig
coarse bay
Class discords are a dark and dangerous place where nerds optimize specs. Its a ...
I think it’s just expected that someone making it to a class discord isn’t so new to the game, but someone looking for further optimization. You’re absolutely right though
tribal wharf
when you swap to dwarf yay i have remove everything button but i was orc so i lost my dmg increase button, actually no, i want to change to blood elf for rage gain.... no kul'tiran for bitch smack backhand
at least thats how it is for me
so instead, i pick a, model/skeleton that is appropriate
round pendant
one of those is not like the other
tribal wharf
mecha gnome is easily one of the best races in the game
high latch
mecha gnome is easily one of the best races in the game
Funny way to spell "worst"
tribal wharf
you are the crafting station/tools and target dummies racial
nice little heal if you go low, ramping/fading dmg buff
tribal wharf
human is insanely over powered for remove stun
while undead sucks, literally, canabalize, what classes even benefit from that in pvp, raid or key, maybe undead healer in key?
but i dont even think corpses is a thing in keys?
coarse bay
human is insanely over powered for remove stun
Define over powered
solid sun
I wouldn’t say it was overpowered but being a human during Sprocket prog last raid was so nice
All those dadgum drill assassins trying to murder you
tribal wharf
if you are stunned, you cant take any actions, or move, or use items or anything but you are still alive and taking damage
so if you cant escape in time, you are dead
coarse bay
I mean, idk if id call it overpowered if there’s only a few situations it comes up
I can count more situations to meld than remove stun
tribal wharf
well, if the use of it is required alot, that is when its broken
coarse bay
It’s only used if there’s a mistake made
Cant think of anything this season where you are getting stunned, unless an error was made or you werent dispelled at end of FG
plush tendon
I love human racial
also, undead racial canabalize has some niche; I remember Priests would use it in raid to get lots of mana back
mellow bridge
also, undead racial canabalize has some niche; I remember Priests would use it i...
was pretty good on sylv 
our disc always did that at the end of p2
lime spruce
how are you guys doing the very first part of the first pull in HoA when you have to get aggro on the two darkblades a zip code apart and get the houndmaster + pets
like what string of abilities / pre-mit do you have cooked up to get through that smoothly before heroic leaping away and into the rest of the big pull
coarse bay
how are you guys doing the very first part of the first pull in HoA when you hav...
Walk in, thunderclap first two, charge at houndmaster and rend, leap towards shard and run until i can charge at them
Usually not doing more than tagging them before leaving range, and u need to have your back facing enemies as little as possible. If you feel like youre getting trucked before you can manage your next move, shield wall
If you take regular ravager, you could always just tag first two, throw ravager at the houndmaster pack, and leap away
lime spruce
Yeah I've been running reg ravager
coarse bay
It’s an option, i personally would save for when everything is grouped but ik some people use it for tagging
lime spruce
given that I have to account for pug life I've been liking it a lot for tagging
coarse bay
Make sure youre tagging the first two as they come together, idk if youre running at them before they get to you but i imagine it gets a little more annoying if theyre spread when you start
Just let them finish running before you start blasting
If your group is ripping aggro from you while youre gathering that pull, it’s a them problem. Shouldn’t need to spend more than a single global per pack
undone beacon
I taunt left darkblade, Heroic Throw the right darkblade, and let the houndsmaster walk in a bit later
So taunt, heroic throws, leap to the shard pack and start blasting
And as long as people aren't dumb they shouldnt rip the darkblades off
tawdry cloak
I let the hound master pat in behind everything. Otherwise he stays off in Narnia just sniping people
tawny knot
When targets are in execute range, does that become the main rage spender? I’m finding that my damage is on the low end and after comparing logs with higher damage players, they seem to be pressing execute more. I do know my damage will go up when I get 4 piece (started season late) but waiting to get a hero or myth track to catalyze.
lusty grotto
4pc is pretty massive
so you shouldnt compare until then
but yes execute over takes revenge but only at less than 7 targets
tawny knot
But we are definitely keeping up ignore pain, correct? I generally pug most keys and so I’m a bit paranoid about staying alive more than maxing damage.
lusty grotto
ip isnt whats keeping you alive
its SB
you still press IP at 70+ rage that doesnt change, but its harder to get up there
tawny knot
Appreciate it. I’m gonna try it in my next key and see if I can squeeze out some more damage
This is my first time really tanking with warrior and it’s a blast so I’d like to get better honestly
lusty grotto
its not necessary, you press TB if up since its TB over everything anyway
grim pilot
Mostly on aoe it makes a difference
You want to spend violent outbursts on tb in aoe
If your tier proccs
And you’re few gcds away
You can „hold” it instead of using tb
And get violent outburst for it
It can deal crazy damage, 100m in 1 global type shit on mass aoe
arctic citrus
Finnaly!!!
grim pilot
You can „hold” it instead of using tb
Just don’t overdo it, at some point it’s probably not worth (didn’t sim, feelycraft) and it can also be bit sketchy if you’re too far anyways
exotic glade
Hello I'm stupid what is your favorite m+ route site for dumb dumbs
jagged pier
press w
lusty grotto
press w
exotic glade
Thanks glad I asked, I did not even see that one when looking up what people used
I just saw keystone.guru, threechest.io, and raider.io
lusty grotto
exotic glade
I see
coarse bay
You can try routes recommended on those sites, but i’ve found them to generally be not pug friendly at all, no matter what they say
Try them out and make changes yourself, just go with the feels and vibes
jagged pier
nothing is pug friendly because insert their favourite streamer name here, doesnt do that route
so its bad
coarse bay
I mean, i havent looked, but the psf route they called pug friendly was a double knight pull
lusty grotto
i honestly just start with quazii or whatever vault key runs and then fine tune depending on how the runs go
sometimes i just check with friends and thats it
other times is just fine tuning previous season's routes
there's not much else
exotic glade
I mean, i havent looked, but the psf route they called pug friendly was a double...
I thought double knight pull was standard 🤔 I ran M+ a lot last season and this season as both healer and DPS (and now tank), x2 knights seems standard
lusty grotto
as long as you understand how the flow needs to go, i.e. lust timers etc
coarse bay
I thought double knight pull was standard 🤔 I ran M+ a lot last season and this...
Its a very bad pull, passable in lower keys but not the standard
lusty grotto
double knight is fine this season, you just dont do it in higher keys
knights were nerfed
it was not fine last season
period
exotic glade
i honestly just start with quazii or whatever vault key runs and then fine tune ...
So you pull it off RaiderIO?
lusty grotto
if you mean the start of the dungeon
coarse bay
Ya, i would do vaults on alts, and i saw so many tanks running that route and getting a few deaths on the board
exotic glade
if you mean the start of the dungeon
I only went up to 12s and i think x2 knights happened semi-often and wasnt too big of a deal but 12s are so power crept now lol
coarse bay
So you pull it off RaiderIO?
The routes that yodatv made a video for are a pretty good starting point this season, you can look up the vid
lusty grotto
theres really no reason to pull double knights lol
its fine if you do in 12s
but they are so easily avoidable anyway
dull jungle
how much haste am i aiming for tbw?
coarse bay
Standard first pull is knight/right side into the miniboss @ corner of stairs
lusty grotto
as much as possible
dull jungle
unbuffed, 40%, 23943
coarse bay
And sometimes a caster pack
lusty grotto
you need more
dull jungle
fr? what am i aiming for? isn't there a cap
coarse bay
fr? what am i aiming for? isn't there a cap
About 27k
lusty grotto
youre aiming at whatever feels best for your SB uptime
some people are fine with 25k, some people are fine with 27k, other people are never fine and can just keep stacking
exotic glade
The routes that yodatv made a video for are a pretty good starting point this se...
Ty
lusty grotto
there's not a specific number, its all based on how you handle SB
dull jungle
some people are fine with 25k, some people are fine with 27k, other people are n...
Just got the neck from council boss* and properly enchanged my rings and i'm now 26185 so now i just need to manage SB
Ty for help
!wa
plush tendon
some people are fine with 25k, some people are fine with 27k, other people are n...
I love haste... but I refuse to buy settings and gems at these insane prices!
dull jungle
Is that a command?
I've come from rogue to this, !wa gives me recommended wa's from their disc 🙁
plush tendon
so I havnt swapped out of my vers/crit neck XD
lusty grotto
I've come from rogue to this, !wa gives me recommended wa's from their disc 🙁
its on the wowhead or icyveins guides, and/or in #protection-faq
coarse bay
I've come from rogue to this, !wa gives me recommended wa's from their disc 🙁
Can find a lot of info in protection faq thread
dull jungle
Didn't hurt to try at least
coarse bay
lusty grotto
and this
azure crag
The downside of going prot warrior for my guild keys instead of blood dk is nobody else in my guild groups tends to bring battle rez.
I've had to spend so much gold on goblin jumper cables
plush tendon
that one in the top right corner kind of makes me mad
lament widget
does anyone know why two stacks of sudden death generates 20 rage?
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
fuck im missing the other ppal one
plush tendon
and brand ready
lusty grotto
that one in the top right corner kind of makes me mad
check their name
coarse bay
I wish these images were loading for me 😦
coarse bay
Omg s1 prot pally definitely was not beginner friendly
plush tendon
not you!!!!
lusty grotto
i was farting around with my friends its a vault key so its not a big deal
lusty grotto
do you want the full clip
undone beacon
orchid narwhal
Im back with more questions
Lets say theres am ob in execute range
5 mob total count, do i tab to that mob to execute it
is that dps
lusty grotto
LOL
coarse bay
That ones great
lusty grotto
bro sometimes you just gotta slide it out
undone beacon
This one makes me extra happy cuz its my clip
im not the vdh but he was our tank lol
vdh stinky
mellow bridge
5 mob total count, do i tab to that mob to execute it
you always want to hit the prio target
exotic glade
If u were new to tanking and u went into a +2 gambit and the healer and DPS asked u to give them a rundown of any improtant mechanics because they have never run the place or gone through any guides b4 would you leave
lusty grotto
no
coarse bay
No, a +2 is a joke
exotic glade
i started trying to explain how to do the stars on the last boss and then was like f this and left lol
lusty grotto
youre a dick
exotic glade
??? IM a dick???
coarse bay
Week 1 +2 was already a joke
exotic glade
... i dont even know what that means but i gather you are upset for reasons i do not entirely comprehend
lusty grotto
who the hell do you think is doing +2?
coarse bay
Did u leave before the key or at the last boss?
exotic glade
??? I did the dungeon first ON 0 before i did 2.
They had NEVER DONE THE DUNGEON B4
exotic glade
So they asked me to explain all the dungeon mechanics to them and i did not feel like it so i left...?
??? THIS WAS B4 THE KEY STARTED
lusty grotto
oh well whatever
coarse bay
If its before key start then thats your choice
exotic glade
jesus christ like could you be any more ready to jump down someones throat
coarse bay
U did make it sound like u left at last boss tbf
lusty grotto
especially if youre a fucking dick for no reason
why would you even come here to flex about such a thing
who cares
what did you expect? a pat in the back?
exotic glade
before the key started, literally 3 people in the group randomly turn to me and go hey, please right now write out any important mechanics for us because we have never done this dungeon before or read any guides so we want you to basically write out a mini guide for us rn lol. i mean they didnt say it like that but thats what they asked. i STARTED to explain just how to do the stars on the last boss and then realized i did not feel like explaining it and left
lusty grotto
job well done mate, you did good
coarse bay
Id expect very low keys, like 2s, to be a learning space for people. If you dont want to deal with that, its entirely in your right to not play with them
exotic glade
Id expect very low keys, like 2s, to be a learning space for people. If you dont...
Idk i dont go into 2s blind? I do 0s first lol
coarse bay
All ill say is at least they asked for help instead of going in fully blind
exotic glade
OR if i go blind its ONLY with friends not with pugs?
lusty grotto
thats an unreasonable expectation
exotic glade
I felt bad bc they were nice but like they literally all randomly turn to me and ask me to explain the dungeon mechanics before we start and im like wtf. Yall need to get that info from WoWhead not me lol
lusty grotto
you do you, let others do their shit
coarse bay
You asked if we’d leave in that situation. If i was in that exact situation id do the key.
lusty grotto
same
exotic glade
Its just literally my first key tanking
fathom oasis
Oh, fresh drama and I'm not in the middle of it
coarse bay
I think youre fine to leave before key started, u didnt do anything wrong
exotic glade
Also it doesnt help that it was Gambit lol. If it was Halls i prob would have stayed. But i started to write out how to do the stars on the last boss and then i was like yeah this is... not gonna work lol
Idek how to explain what to do on the 2nd boss
coarse bay
It’s fair to not want to help people learn something when youre learning too. Just don’t expect everyone to agree
mellow yoke
"do dps dont die"
fathom oasis
https://media1.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b12aed73f2...
Let me steal that lol
exotic glade
On the 2nd boss dont dps need to kinda keep the adds in a reasonable area for the boss's AoE? i guess it wouldnt matter on a 2
coarse bay
Like I said, if im doing a low key, im signing up expecting to be helping people for fun
mellow yoke
more dps = less adds
less adds = less death
but its on them for not knowing mechanics tbh
exotic glade
IM THE ONE WHO NEEDS HELP 
mellow yoke
it's them dying
inland garnet
hey guys are you running Soleah's trinket? worth it on mythic track? (got Pacemaker M and Envelope H)
lusty grotto
envelope?
exotic glade
hey guys are you running Soleah's trinket? worth it on mythic track? (got Pacema...
Are u taking it for granted u will remember to reapply Soleah's Trinket at all times because i can tell u from experience...
jagged pier
its better than enevlope
mellow yoke
I find out about a new trinket everyday here
jagged pier
that was fixed ages ago
coarse bay
hey guys are you running Soleah's trinket? worth it on mythic track? (got Pacema...
Get a weakaura or something to make sure youre on top of using it
lusty grotto
did he mean the mail trinket?
inland garnet
Yeah, it's actually a ranged trinket with haste but it procs for very solid dmg, like 3-4% overall
inland garnet
oh wow, when it was nerfed?! I didnt play recently so a bit off the track
jagged pier
we dont really have solid number on the boots tbh
so cant say all we have are feelycraft
and those seem very far over the top
lusty grotto
i'd say myth boots but not because of the leech
jagged pier
yer the feelycrafty numbers ive heard they give have been way too high
lusty grotto
you specified HC
fathom oasis
All ill say is at least they asked for help instead of going in fully blind
That is commendable tbf
lusty grotto
so yes that's what we're talking about
those boots are S+ for dps roles
but for tanks... its extremely debateable
to the point the myth tracks are probably better
at least for the average player
i dont think it'll make a difference
mellow yoke
It's quite negligible I'd say
lusty grotto
having shield spec will though
coarse bay
You could see how often youre proccing cloak, and decide if u need it more i guess
lusty grotto
😎
mellow yoke
having shield spec will though
you gotta consider leech also gives you some form of sustainability
both are a good choice
maybe run a few keys see how you run
blazing shuttle
So they asked me to explain all the dungeon mechanics to them and i did not feel...
ok but don't go in a +2 if you don't want to deal with people who don't know the dungeon
You gotta remember
They're humans too
And some don't have the skill you have
And some just don't have the time
mellow yoke
I hate that moment when you close a certain key range and then you dont get invited for the key level above
blazing shuttle
I hate that moment when you close a certain key range and then you dont get invi...
`You need the key range above to do the one below
It's like needing curve for normal raid
blazing shuttle
Ì know
loud wolf
what should my next upgrades be.. i'm thinking farm hero legs, craft belt?
blazing shuttle
And these people, most of the time, want to be CARRIED
blazing shuttle
what should my next upgrades be.. i'm thinking farm hero legs, craft belt?
Brother farm some legs
mellow yoke
or when people come up with the most atrocious group comp
that's the one you get invited to
blazing shuttle
I have been pickier and pickier about the groups I join ngl
mellow yoke
tbh with the amount of keys I've depleted
blazing shuttle
I even got insulted because I left a group as I've said: "I do not like the team composition, sorry."
loud wolf
Brother farm some legs
okay ty, dumb question (would you catalyze it even if i already have 4 pc)
mellow yoke
Arcane mage is either gingiTV alt with bis gear
or some guy that started playing yesterday
blazing shuttle
okay ty, dumb question (would you catalyze it even if i already have 4 pc)
You have 4 PC
Why would you cata
mellow yoke
also get your wep up to 720
blazing shuttle
loud wolf
👍 got it
loud wolf
tyty
lusty grotto
no you arent
lusty grotto
yes read the last line
orchid narwhal
They're saying you should hit prio
Well you said even more, implying the emphasis
not that i shouldnt be
lusty grotto
thats exactly what they meant
orchid narwhal
if its not a prio target
lusty grotto
is the prio target executable?
lusty grotto
then what do you think happens to the prio target if you execute his buddy right next to him?
lusty grotto
use a mouseover execute bind
orchid narwhal
😭
orchid narwhal
mmm
lusty grotto
some will drop to execute range faster than others
orchid narwhal
yea i guess its just a worry about dumping way too much rage into execute
lusty grotto
sometimes the prio targets have small hp pools, other time they have the most
mellow yoke
Brand feels so good man
lusty grotto
honestly dont think its a hard concept
orchid narwhal
Unsure why you think I'm confused by this
I got two conflicting answers, it didnt make sense, we clarified it
No big deal
lusty grotto
alright
mellow yoke
why do people want me to have timed other 18s to go into the easiest 18
this shit doesnt make sense
sterile orbit
any1 good with WA? trying to get a sound to play when violent outburst is about to proc cant rly figure it out with the premade aura section.
mellow bridge
idk it's legit useless to execute some random non prio mob unless youre running cleave execute
mellow yoke
Is it so hard to grasp gambit is most people's first key
mellow bridge
it's good funnel for your details bar but it's pretty useless for the key
solid sun
I tell you what
I just did some hard work outside
And someone asked me how to do something and I taught them even though I was sweating
Didn’t even leave ‘em
orchid narwhal
good man
solid sun
Now I’m ready for a margarita
mellow yoke
Hell yeah getting intoxicated and playing video games
exotic glade
And some just don't have the time
Well no i mean im rly busy too. Which is why i didnt have the time/energy to literally write out explanation for Gambit mechanicsl ol
If anything its the no lifers or more hardcore players who would be in a better position to help those ppl
Bro i hate valorstones im always at 0 or 2k no in between
solid sun
You know
You probs could have just said “idk I’m new too” and done the key
I’m not saying you had to
It’s just a 2 so it’s so free like you could stop in the middle and do a stand up comedy routine and still time it
mellow yoke
have you actually been in a +2
exotic glade
Bro why would i want my literal first time ever tanking a +2 to be Gambit with a group that had literally never seen the dragon boss or So'leah before. How tf do i explain to them how to connect the stars??
and again i woudlnt even know where to start with explaining the dragon lol
solid sun
“Make sure the red arrow goes through your star”. It actually can go next to it but w/e
exotic glade
Well those words didnt come to me in that fashion at that time
solid sun
Yeah gambit isn’t some complex algorithm that only Ghash here has the key to
orchid narwhal
Bro why would i want my literal first time ever tanking a +2 to be Gambit with a...
I completely get not wanting to do the key, its good that you left before the key started, its fine
I only take alts when i do alt work as well for this reason
warm plinth
In a 2 the mechanics very rarely matter and are almost always correctable in the moment
Idc that you left.
exotic glade
In a 2 the mechanics very rarely matter and are almost always correctable in the...
This has not rly been my experience, my experience and i think the experience of a lot of ppl is, +2s are actual misery lol
warm plinth
Not sure why you needed justification from us about it though. If you left during the key then ofc you're a dick but you weren't in the key
solid sun
People aren’t misery. They’re people
exotic glade
Er yes but so. The players are misery cuz they dont know the mechanics ergo the mechanics do still exist in +2
mellow yoke
alright bad wording
people are miserable at this specific content of wow
also, is this a rant because you left while the key hasn't even started
solid sun
One of the cool things about playing with new people is that they don’t have any real expectations for what you can do or are supposed to do
exotic glade
Er sorry am i ranting? I was just replying to pings i got
warm plinth
I was surprised when I tapped the thing to catch up to the end of chat and it was still being talked about tbh lol
mellow yoke
I mean you are free to choose the group and people you play with
they could've said nothing and
do shitfuck
all dungeon
and make it miserable
exotic glade
I was surprised when I tapped the thing to catch up to the end of chat and it wa...
i was just replying cuz someone pinged me about it 🤷♂️
mellow yoke
or ask u after dungeon is started
warm plinth
I wasn't blaming you for it continuing to be talked about.
solid sun
I am!
coarse bay
Yes.
tulip harness
Do I hit a point where it's inevitable that I have to start kiting certain pulls in keys? like the double pull before dragon in gambit, I just dropped in less than 2.5 seconds according to details death recap through wall, SB and full IP to a bunch of melee hits
exotic glade
I did end up doing the Gambit w a different group and trying to like read or interpret my MDT route for the first area did my head in lol
tulip harness
15
exotic glade
Was anything hitting you in the back
Err no i dont have that planned until later tonight, why do u ask?
tulip harness
idk tbh, I just got back into tanking for the first time since BFA, didnt even realize that was something I had to worry about now, is that still a thing?
mellow yoke
Err no i dont have that planned until later tonight, why do u ask?
ok wtf
solid sun
I was asking the person who got deleted in a 15 gambit
warm plinth
Always been a thing
tulip harness
Yeah I know it was back when I last tanked, just didnt even think about it til you said now. so thats probably what happened?
outer willow
Err no i dont have that planned until later tonight, why do u ask?
Nice
mellow yoke
Do I hit a point where it's inevitable that I have to start kiting certain pulls...
uh
how long ago
tulip harness
how long ago what?
tulip harness
709
exotic glade
is it possible you were undergeared
nah hes still got his gear from BFA im sure hes fine
mellow yoke
I mean we are not working with much info here
exotic glade
all that Azerite Power still has to be good for somethin right?
outer willow
709
709 and grinding 15s?
Damn. I should push harder. I’m not even KSH yet and I’m 711
Just crawlin with the homies
solid sun
It’s hard to know what happened to you without a log, but if you were doing a double pull and didn’t realize you couldn’t turn your back to the mobs it def could have been
tulip harness
Yeah I have no idea, just figured I'd ask if kiting is something I should get used to doing on certain pulls before I keep doing the same thing over
mellow yoke
For a 15
I'd say kiting is not really needed
at some point in some pulls you have to
If u see mobs start trucking you with melees
start kiting
exotic glade
709 and grinding 15s?
Damn. I should push harder. I’m not even KSH yet and I’m ...
This season is uniquely miserable for pushing imo, i definitely feel i have noticed power creep has pushed worse players higher up
exotic glade
The stuff i see people doing (or rather not doing) in like 12s and up now is rly shocking to me
mellow yoke
those have existed since
mellow bridge
Do I hit a point where it's inevitable that I have to start kiting certain pulls...
big enrage
mellow yoke
the dawn of M+
exotic glade
How far can gear carry you
I think its more just because M+ is a bit easier now or at least easier to get into, and the rewards are so good, you get more ppl who roll the dice on it over and over until they get a successful run
exotic glade
the dawn of M+
Ye but imo its worse this season or like you have to go higher up before it gets better
warm plinth
You don't need to kite in today's wow outside of a couple niche reset the dangerous debuff moments
outer willow
This season is uniquely miserable for pushing imo, i definitely feel i have noti...
This is my first season only playing with homies. I didn’t realize how much easier M+ is when you have a solid group.
sterile orbit
Yeah I have no idea, just figured I'd ask if kiting is something I should get us...
when my cds are down ive kited that pull before but with cds up im usually fine especially if people use stops
orchid narwhal
That said, the double pull before 2nd boss in gambit, is pretty dangerousa nd u should have smthn rolling p much the entire time
It is uniquly the hardest pull ofr a tank specifically in there
mellow yoke
mob enrage + aoe is maybe what killed you
or a cast or something
then again we are working with functionally no info
exotic glade
This is my first season only playing with homies. I didn’t realize how much easi...
SOO much easier bro. SOOO much easier. I dont love that its like that tbh. I actually have a few semi-consistent groups i play with but im also a solo queue andy, i dont like to schedule ALL my playtime, i like to log on randomly and run. and i feel m+ is very hostile to that playstyle
my #1 complaint is the game literally provides no way to easily coordinate CC/interrupts
tulip harness
when my cds are down ive kited that pull before but with cds up im usually fine ...
Yeah maybe I should have, idk, I didnt take any bolts or anything tho, it was all melee hits.. kinda feel 8 mill melee hits through sb and wall is harsh, maybe it was the back thing
mellow yoke
It really is easier, if you got friends who can match ur skill level
my friends dont run 18s
so I pug 18s
exotic glade
Im not rly familiar with how high 18s are, kinda new to m+ myself, is 18 title range?
sterile orbit
Yeah maybe I should have, idk, I didnt take any bolts or anything tho, it was al...
ya idk its a tense pull once they got the buff up first buff i usually use cds 2nd time they buff usually casters are dead or close and i chain to the 3rd pack and they walk rly slow so by the time they get to me the buff falls off
outer willow
my #1 complaint is the game literally provides no way to easily coordinate CC/in...
I think it would be nice to have kicks refunded if you miss the window by like .5 seconds.
mellow bridge
Im not rly familiar with how high 18s are, kinda new to m+ myself, is 18 title r...
depends heavily on the season; right now? yes. After turboboost? no
mellow yoke
Im not rly familiar with how high 18s are, kinda new to m+ myself, is 18 title r...
1 18 currently gets you in title range
exotic glade
I think it would be nice to have kicks refunded if you miss the window by like ....
i cannot believe u just said this bro. this is my exact idea as well. i posted this in the mage discord once and literally got flamed/dogpiled for it. it was semi-recent so prob could still find the messages lol. i didnt bother mentioning it here cuz i didnt wanna get shit on again
mellow yoke
People are timing like half the 20s with 19s resilient
currently
so I guess you can call them high keys maybe
outer willow
Hahaha yea man idk. I think it would be nice. If people disagree that’s cool too
mellow yoke
I think it would be nice to have kicks refunded if you miss the window by like ....
That's the point of kicks though
isn't it
so u dont overlap
if U spam it and interrupt everything what's the point
it gets too easy
outer willow
so u dont overlap
Yea that’s why only that .5 gap I think would work. It’s easy to communicate with friends, but asking a pug to kick is painful
Maybe I just had bad luck last season
mellow yoke
I mean missing a kick is not that punishing until a certain level
if u get cast in ur face while there is also aoe
that's bad
outer willow
Gambit last pack casts HURT
outer willow
Agreed
I don’t wanna be wiped
But honestly I never push beyond 13. So I might be the minority there
exotic glade
my idea actually wasnt even to refund a missed kick, it was specifically to refund ONE of the kicks if two players kick at the same time and one goes off. So like if u and i kick a frostbolt at the same time, only one kick goes through, the other is not used
That is my #1 rage about pugs
I swear the kick window to not burn 2 kicks is so unforgiving
mellow yoke
my idea actually wasnt even to refund a missed kick, it was specifically to refu...
That's what I was referring to aswell
lusty grotto
thats not gonna happen
mellow yoke
In higher keys
lusty grotto
its not possible with wow's spaghetti code
mellow yoke
Kicking/Stopping mobs is a good 30 % of key wipes
exotic glade
But honestly I never push beyond 13. So I might be the minority there
i also struggle with motivation to keep pushing above 12s, i would like to but its so tempting to just go an alt lol
lusty grotto
so youre saying he cant explain a 12s gambit to people?
exotic glade
Im triple threat now lol, i heal and DPS 12s on mage, priest, shaman and druid so far
Now im doing tank cuz its the only way u can PuG anymore, even on my healers im in queues for 20+ mins
exotic glade
so youre saying he cant explain a 12s gambit to people?
see and thn ppl r like i canty believe we r still talking about this lol
lusty grotto
or smells like
exotic glade
u want 2 argue so badly
lusty grotto
im just pointing out an inconsistency
exotic glade
thank u, i will take ur feedback into consideration 🙂
lusty grotto
k
warm plinth
or a cast or something
I'm 99.9% sure that Brackish Bolts do not target the tank unless they're the only person in combat
I checked like a dozen logs to confirm
lusty grotto
ive been targetted before
but its rare
im not exactly sure what caused it
ill up my logs for this week and check
warm plinth
yeah I checked a bunch of random logs and a bunch of my own, couldn't find an instance of the tank getting hit by one at all (but it seems pretty obvious that they would target the tank if they were the only potential target)
lusty grotto
ill check in a bit
coarse bay
Yeah maybe I should have, idk, I didnt take any bolts or anything tho, it was al...
The sayan buff just hurts a lot, the double pull can definitely be scary. It really isnt a lot of work to kite them slightly out of range when they have it though
mellow yoke
Another thing is people dont like to CC them
They see tanks as some superhumans that never take enough damage from die
especially from just a few mobs
nocturne spindle
they changed it at some point
originally it was a only tank hit
then they made it a everyone but tank hit
lusty grotto
yeah it got the DF s1 treatment
warm plinth
Brackish Bolts were definitely a random target hit
lusty grotto
and yes it was a random target thing
warm plinth
Maybe thinking of Wicked Bolts in Halls?
lusty grotto
but it def targetted tanks before
warm plinth
Idk if htey only targeted tanks but they could target tanks before
lusty grotto
in SL?
lusty grotto
what
nocturne spindle
they changed it in the beginning of the season
nocturne spindle
coarse bay
Another thing is people dont like to CC them
Dont think they can be cced when buffed, could be wrong
nocturne spindle
21 times
warm plinth
He's correct
mellow yoke
Dont think they can be cced when buffed, could be wrong
before they get buffed?
warm plinth
lusty grotto
ah
lusty grotto
now im wondering
if my memory is so fuzzy then...
ah fuck, i dont have WCL premium
for SL logs
yup they are archived
at least mine
coarse bay
before they get buffed?
Honestly dont really need them cced before theyre buffed, cc should be cycled for other things in that pull, like casts and desyncing the officer cast they do
nocturne spindle
im pretty sure theyre one of the mobs that the enrage slows them
you can literally just walk backwards
coarse bay
Ya, thats what i was saying, just kite them a little bit
warm plinth
now im wondering
what did you want to check? I have a wcl sub
coarse bay
Doesnt have to be a full kite
warm plinth
It was indeed
warm plinth
wicked bolt as well, but I think you already knew that one
lusty grotto
yeah that one i knew
ocean anvil
warm plinth
I forgot about that
hardy snow
mythic pacemaker sims higher than heroic brand for me 
lusty grotto
mythic pacemaker sims higher than heroic brand for me <a:feedback:12608319932147...
even on 5min sims?
remember it fully stacks at around 4 mins
hardy snow
even on 5min sims?
yea, it was 5min
hardy snow
not much, only 8k, but still
lusty grotto
ah
hardy snow
and mythic soleah sims pretty same
tawny knot
Roundabout how much does our damage go up from 2p to 4p and is it worth it to use cat on champ level to get 4p?
coarse bay
and mythic soleah sims pretty same
Can you send me whatever trinkets you choose to not use
lusty grotto
Roundabout how much does our damage go up from 2p to 4p and is it worth it to us...
enough that if you dont have 4pc, you play colossus
coarse bay
Roundabout how much does our damage go up from 2p to 4p and is it worth it to us...
The value of using a cat on champ is entirely up to you, shouldnt be spending gilded on hero pieces for now anyways so it isnt a big loss. Varies depending on goals and the level of content you do
lusty grotto
but its a different playstyle so if youre not experienced with warrior you can just stick with thane
i do agree you shouldnt cat champ gear given that hero is freely farmable
cerulean tusk
I enjoy col tanking even with (4), so don't knock it off your radar totally
tawny knot
Appreciate the help all
There’s just more to track for big smashes with colossus, right?
lusty grotto
not quite
cerulean tusk
Kinda less
coarse bay
If youre only missing 1 piece for 4 set, it isnt a big deal at this stage to cata a champ tbh. Plenty of cata charges to come
lusty grotto
the prio switches around a bit and you dont use IP as much as colossus
warm plinth
Especially since they're gonna randomly drop in 11.2.5
lusty grotto
also forgot we get a cata charge next week
warm plinth
We do indeed
strong forum
Roundabout how much does our damage go up from 2p to 4p and is it worth it to us...
~54% iirc
But yeah don't waste cata charge on chump gear
warm plinth
anyone else have an issue doing the RP skip in Streets today for the menagerie boss?
lusty grotto
no but
well at least not today
but ive had the bug where you couldnt click the thing
and it was left mid air
oak ivy
I enjoy col tanking even with (4), so don't knock it off your radar totally
what does colossus 4p even do
lusty grotto
buffs bleeds
oak ivy
huge fbv
oak ivy
i tried some pulls on m hunters as colo last night,, didnt hate it
pseudo kindle
hello i got tanking questions weak aura mods the one iam looking fro is like a co tank bar where the debffs are above the bar .. anyone have any ideas or something similar so i can get back to tanking .. i had it lost windows fresh install .. yeah i knwo WOW effing WOW
naive flicker
Would u take Heroic Voidhunters Trinket or Myth Track Helmet out of Vault?
lusty grotto
brand
coarse bay
Would u take Heroic Voidhunters Trinket or Myth Track Helmet out of Vault?
Up to you, if youre doing hero soulhunters weekly and dont mind waiting, keep grinding. If you can get a myth helm another way reliably, you can choose whichever
round pendant
brand
naive flicker
okay ty guys
trim marten
So, bite the bullet and craft 720 haste/crit belt?
Brother there are like 3 30 second gold WQs in Undermine. Get you some R3 enchants for those 720 crafted
gray pivot
azure crag
was kinda hoping they'd relax the mythic requirements to get the trinkets and stuff with dinars for the last season. or at least let it be account wide
but oh well, probably just gonna finish getting my M+ rating rewards and take a break till midnight
exotic glade
What 2 do about the mobs in the first half of DB that melee u and apply a healing debuff?
I think its the Curseblades?
coarse bay
was kinda hoping they'd relax the mythic requirements to get the trinkets and st...
It feels bad to not get the best stuff, but if it helps, the difference between hero and myth trinkets is usually a lot smaller than people think
azure crag
Indeed, it's not a super big deal, but at least it'd be a thing to do and look forward to.
I don't think I currently have anything worth buying with Dinars atm
coarse bay
What 2 do about the mobs in the first half of DB that melee u and apply a healin...
How long is the debuff? If things get hard, suppose u can cc and kite
warm plinth
What 2 do about the mobs in the first half of DB that melee u and apply a healin...
Kite if the stacks get too high; that's about it
I usually start to feel it somewhere around 25
exotic glade
How long is the debuff? If things get hard, suppose u can cc and kite
Sry i think i was confusing 2 different mechanics. Looks like Shadowblades have an enrage or Windfury type self-buff. And then on top of it theres another mob that does a stacking healing debuff 2 me
warm plinth
the tacticians enrage themselves, but the healing debuff is the scary part
exotic glade
Overall i was just kind of getting slapped too hard in DB+8. I am only 687 ilvl so maybe too low
i +2'd Floodgate 6 so tried the 8 i got
solid sun
Hey Ghash do you wanna do keys this weekend
warm plinth
yeah, sure
lusty grotto
Hey Ghash do you wanna do keys this weekend
COME NOW
solid sun
Lmao I wish I could. I’m waiting for food
lusty grotto
Overall i was just kind of getting slapped too hard in DB+8. I am only 687 ilvl ...
you shouldnt need to reset stacks on an 8
solid sun
Not even home :(
lusty grotto
holy
lusty grotto
im doing intensive fury muscle memory retraining
coarse bay
Overall i was just kind of getting slapped too hard in DB+8. I am only 687 ilvl ...
Ilvl is fine, db is just harder on tanks than it seems. Just takes practice
vale schooner
Any1 knows why the % of crit is so low compared to other skills?
nvm I've found why.
jolly fox
Hey guys I had a question I was thinking of tanking for the first time and was wondering is prot warrior good for a beginner to learn tanking?
warm plinth
It's not the easiest tank but it's on the simpler end. But it's very fast.
mortal cypress
WAs are too hard
Delete them all and be free
round pendant
trying to make my own rogue WA pack
with a custom trigger for combo point tracking
without copypasting someone elses
and it's just a pain
warm plinth
yeah that's the one thing I always gotta steal on rogue
I'm too dumb to make combo point WA
mortal cypress
Just get luxthos or something
round pendant
no
Luxthos is absolutely awful for rogue
well, at least for sin
well, at least it was when I last used it
I already have a good one I just wanna make my own since I have for all the other characters I play
lime spruce
It's not the easiest tank but it's on the simpler end. But it's very fast.
Yeah whenever I play my VDH I feel like I’m doing something wrong for how much lower the APM is
lime spruce
Hey guys I had a question I was thinking of tanking for the first time and was w...
Do you have any goals for tanking, how much other experience do you have in-game
obtuse egret
Can you intervene the fan mail cast on postmaster boss ?
jolly fox
Do you have any goals for tanking, how much other experience do you have in-game
Well I mainly dps’d and well I wanted to learn how to tank so I can tank for my friends in M+ and as for other experiences I’ve done 10s currently for my dps, and also thought now would be a good time to actually give it a shot since I’ve been nervous to actually give it a try
warm plinth
Can you intervene the fan mail cast on postmaster boss ?
no
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> I figured it out are you proud of me
hellz yeah. Nice job
round pendant
I did briefly look at other WAs but they overcomplicate it
mine is so much simpler
round pendant
no, rogue combo point tracker
nocturne spindle
neat
also reminder to not be a dum dum like me and do radiant authority on your weapon cause your too lazy to check
round pendant
also reminder to not be a dum dum like me and do radiant authority on your weapo...
since when were we supposed to use stats lmao
pulsar atlas
is there anything to consider statwise for crafted items aside from just simming stuff for damage?
lusty grotto
haste + crit is usually the way you wanna go
or if you want to sim just sim all 3 haste + stat options
lime spruce
Well I mainly dps’d and well I wanted to learn how to tank so I can tank for my ...
What dps specs have you enjoyed
boreal heath
also reminder to not be a dum dum like me and do radiant authority on your weapo...
I mean it is only 1%
round pendant
1% is a nice amount
sharp gale
<@255696891000389633> I figured it out are you proud of me
That’s impressive tbf, they are not the most obvious one to make
It took me some time to figure out on paladin how to do it without copying
round pendant
Yea
I went all 
on the WA wiki page for trigger state updaters
figured it out tho
sharp gale
It’s these kinda of things giving me pro-WA points, even tho I’m completely for the #delete
storm stone
Hey question yall on salhadaar does spell reflection reduce the damage from the dragon rbeath
lusty grotto
you can take a look in the sheet
if its magic, it does
if its physical, it doesnt
sheet is pinned or in #protection-faq
Sense's sheet
storm stone
you can take a look in the sheet
yeah so what asking is if the magic dmaage reduction by 25% affects it
because it says No on the reflect
lusty grotto
theres a damage type column
<@&257983573498265600>
scammerinos doing their garbage again
lusty grotto
in the sheet
oh
let me check
yeah you right
its cosmic damage so yeah that's magic
storm stone
so yeah then the magic damage reduction portion of the spell should apply then
i was being told it didnt by my blood DK
because it wasnt popping his ams
lusty grotto
im checking in logs just in case
storm stone
thanks bro
storm stone
hm it doesnt seem like its doing much if anything