protection

[lusty grotto]

read this again

[unreal marlin]

i did, but it makes nos ense for me how i mean the 27k haste part

[lusty grotto]

force who?

are you speaking for someone?

[unreal marlin]

i can sim or go for haste

i cant do both except i.e. enchats, craft stats

[lusty grotto]

correct

[deft mortar]

ait 14s are ez

essentially aint takin dmg

[heavy sparrow]

@lusty grotto hey papi

[unreal marlin]

thats absicly all i said 😄

[deft mortar]

gonna try Priory 15 now, probably harder

Although I see no point, I will never make it season title

[unreal marlin]

thanks for the input. sry it got bit complicated

[lusty grotto]

as long as you understand you dont sacrifice ilvl for haste

you should be fine

[unreal marlin]

ye

[round pendant]

yeah it's ez on our part

I just ate a raw gloom bite on a +15 ECO tho

that wasn't fun

[lime spruce]

Bless you 🙏 ❤️ this is what I’m looking for

[round pendant]

I kinda just ignored that shit up until now

[heavy sparrow]

Any recommended logging add-ons? Warcraftlogs add-on and loggerhead isn't auto-logging for me anymore since season start @_@

[lime spruce]

Yeah once I hit 3k I’m riding my violet void thing off into the sunset

[deft mortar]

6.8M shadow dmg on base Mythic, right

[round pendant]

it hit me for 18m

[deft mortar]

yeah yeah the Mythic+ 1 dmg is 6.8M so

wonder what the dmg multiplier was

2.96 x 1.2 x 6.8 = 24.15M dmg from a Gloombite in Mythic 15

lmao that's a hit

[round pendant]

yeah makes sense

I was saved by my IP

which only mitigated 25%

it hurt

[deft mortar]

Goes down to 14.7M for me after Dstance and my 40% vers (with flask and druid buff)

[round pendant]

lmao

40% vers

[deft mortar]

It's funny

[unreal marlin]

sry, small follow up regarding weapon enchant. top warrior seem to use radiant power over second stats. while sim and guide say second stats. ithe primary stat is more defensive value?

[lusty grotto]

i meme'd myself

[round pendant]

nim do you like my eco route

[sinful copper]

then theres no point playing the game ever lol

[lusty grotto]

secondary stats have more value this season, so sim away

[deft mortar]

I mean, if there was a silly 1% achi I'd play

I am playing it for idk server #1 or some shit

[sinful copper]

u push keys because they're challenging. but if u dont find it fun, then i guess dont bother doing 15+

[deft mortar]

And I am in a RP server so it's realistic

Oh no I have fun

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't do pactspeakers

but i guess its fine

and i mean beside the obligatory ones

[deft mortar]

My biggest source of fun is tanking shit that one-shots BDK's without trouble

BDK's aint real tanks

[round pendant]

was completely chill for 15 and prob 16

but yeah ig for 17

[sinful copper]

yam u doing 16's now? so strong

[lusty grotto]

if it works it works

[round pendant]

nah not done a 16 yet

eco-dome is like 3 key levels easier than anything else too lmao

[deft mortar]

Ara kara easiest imo

[round pendant]

that's psychotic

[deft mortar]

And hardest is Priory

Or Halls idk

[round pendant]

hmm

[deft mortar]

Halls is easy now tbh after the nerfs

[round pendant]

I'll write my list of easiest to hardest

[deft mortar]

in terms of time

[round pendant]

ECO > STRT > GMBT > DB > HOA >= FLOOD > PRIO > AK

that's my opinion

yeah hoa might be easier than db tbh assuming db doesn't have any bugs (rare)

[deft mortar]

Very valid

[lime spruce]

I wonder how I would rate the list if I had 5 clones of myself as the full party instead of only getting to be the tank, I know the stats generally support what you said but I feel like most of my pain in AK has been pug DPS not being able to handle the agency they have that they aren't asked for in most other dungeons

[round pendant]

That's just how it is as a tank

As long as your pulls are good and you're chaining well and providing funnels

it's up to everyone else to not shit the bed

[deft mortar]

is funnels like interrupt/cc?

[deft mortar]

Mine is Ara > Eco > Dawn > Halls > Flood > Streets > Gambit > Priory

Fkn hate Priory

I'd say Halls = Flood = Streets = Gambit tho

[round pendant]

priory right mini is terrifying

and 3rd paladin room pull

but rest is chill

[deft mortar]

ye rest is chill

[round pendant]

AK is like, people can just fuck up at any point and ruin it

[deft mortar]

occasionally you feel the 1st boss dmg

not alot still

2nd boss is so boring

too much HP, takes long time to die

[lime spruce]

AK is brutal because pugs just do not understand how to do the first boss

at a rate unlike any other boss this season

[round pendant]

changes once you get to like 13s

1st boss is clean af now

and 2nd boss is just kinda overtuned imo

they made that thing fucking stupid

[lime spruce]

I like the 2nd boss with a good group

3rd boss I thought I had to do a lot more heavy lifting on then I watched Kira do it and chilled out lol

My order is Dawn > Streets > Eco > HOA > Gambit > Priory = Flood > AK

[round pendant]

eco will be the easiest once you do my route

@lusty grotto my route, 12+13 and using the console to stun them all

suicide or no

might just do this instead though

[lofty warren]

how do you skip straight to 11 pull without doing 1-10

[round pendant]

I'm just built differently

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-gimili-ohh-oops-my-bad-gif-23800441

[round pendant]

though ig if I rework the first half of the dungeon I can skip 11 almost entirely

[sinful copper]

that route is fine

[round pendant]

You're fine

gottem

[sleek lintel]

what embellishments should I be using for M+ guides say dusk/dawn x2 but I see people using writhing/ascension

on archon as the higher % should I be switching over?

[drifting pewter]

is that what the console does

[round pendant]

yeah you click it and get an extra action button or something

then can stun all the mobs for ages

[round pendant]

2x dawn/dusk is better

[sleek lintel]

thanks

[molten epoch]

Struggling to find info on stat diminishing returns. Are we thinking 26K haste is too much?

[mighty valley]

Yeah that’s roughly the turning point

You should be able to maintain good enough sb at that level and just use sims to pick upgrades

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto 3k on woyer achieved, though hunter did it first 😭 but finished it off in style by being 6 sec off 2 chesting 12 halls

[lusty grotto]

gz gz!

[pallid quiver]

It was me, I bricked the two chest

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

i found pain under chairs

[frozen berry]

was there a bug with M+ rating?

mine just went up like 40 points randomly

[oak ivy]

Xalatath's Guile (12+ Affix) wasn't giving points properly so for every 12 you have timed you got an extra 5 points

fixed today

unrelated

is there a recommended spec for M Soul Hunters or can I chill out in M+ spec minus stops

[lusty grotto]

whatever warcraft logs has is fine

or whatever sense did in their first kill

SD + Heavy Handed strongly recommended

since its a 3 target cleave fight

Shield spec not needed since its a lot of magic damage, but nothing should screw you over too much

[acoustic hearth]

checked it ant its 16810

[lusty grotto]

you play HR then

[warm plinth]

well, not brand but I guess this isn't a bad consolation prize

@lusty grotto help I'm too quick

[plush tendon]

try this yam

pactseekers are really meh

just ran this in a pug 12

[round pendant]

I came up with one that skips the pactspeakers

and I did my route in a 15 and that was fine so

[round pendant]

fast af

[warm plinth]

I dropped like 800 swapping some gems and a ring enchant so I'm only at 30.1k now

but up to 26% crit so that's good

[round pendant]

I haven't looked at my stats in weeks

[oak ivy]

hoooly fuck the coggy load on M Soul hunt

[sleek lintel]

How we lookin

[solid sun]

We use ratings, not percents

[round pendant]

percentages are numbers

ratings are numbers

they are the same

[solid sun]

We use ratings

Not percents

[shrewd grove]

I can't read percentages

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto logging in to +40 io and hitting 3303 xD

2ez

[lusty grotto]

nice nice!

[sinful copper]

How do u even get to pull 9

[sinful copper]

Yeah but how much mastery

[plush tendon]

tag everything in, kite around the thing

to avoid gloombite

[nocturne spindle]

Also some old school tech you can do

On the bugs past boss 2

When they cast gloombite it's melee range, so you can step out of melee and they'll repeatedly try and recast it for a long time

Stop them from burrowing so much

No need to even kite around anything

[tacit nacelle]

at what point should i stop stacking haste? im at 40%

[night scroll]

Keep goinggg

[lusty grotto]

27k

[tacit nacelle]

ty!

[lime spruce]

which boss am I supposed to stick on w/ the Floodgate duo

the goblin that's flying around right?

[lusty grotto]

you want the cleave

so yes

[lime spruce]

gotcha do I actually hold aggro on either or both

[lusty grotto]

on both

but you can only move one of them and only while hes not charging

[lime spruce]

gotcha, so I aggro both but big mon gonna runa round and do his thing off me for that phase but it's just that phase and then I really own them both

[lusty grotto]

so you stick with goblin, then swap to big guy when he returns to prio damage

cause he charges, melee usually ignores him on vault keys or lower

so yea

[solid sun]

So

Avanox

Was in there tonight, battling this idiot spider

And one of the spiders sometimes would target a hunter pet

Is that expected? Do hunters force you to keep the boss away

[lusty grotto]

expected from a small indie company

[warm plinth]

Don't need to aggro Keeza. She just randomly shoots people.

[lusty grotto]

but yeah that shouldnt normally happen

[azure crag]

I need to execute more

[warm plinth]

Hunter just needs to, you know, actually target the spiders XD

[solid sun]

Okie dokes

[warm plinth]

Or the tank needs to face boss away from the eggs

Pets always go to the back of the thing they're hitting

[solid sun]

Alas

Somehow I knew it’d end up being my fault

[warm plinth]

More like you can save them from their own stupidity

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/realkimdahyun-rhino-dead-gif-21335364

[warm plinth]

I was popping off on my hunter tonight

Had a 13 ara where I did 8.52 overall

and 13 halls where I did like 7.98 or something

Gaming

[solid sun]

Heck yeah you should come show my hunter friend what’s up

[warm plinth]

XD

[undone beacon]

dude i was blasting on surv

[warm plinth]

what's he playing

[solid sun]

BM

[warm plinth]

oh shiii

me too

[undone beacon]

over 8 mil in both priory and eco 13s

year of the spear

[solid sun]

He stays bitching about stampede

Does it suck as bad as he claims

[warm plinth]

idk, it can be annoying but you get used to it

[undone beacon]

tell him to play sentinel survival

like a mine

[warm plinth]

He could also just play dark ranger; it's viable and no stampede nonsense

Does comparable overall

[solid sun]

Nice

I thought dark ranger was in the dumpster

[warm plinth]

It was

Got a lot of buffs this past tuning pass

I'm still playing pack leader though

DR has different stat prio and shit and I'm 715 ilevel so I'm pretty established XD

[solid sun]

For sure

I was thinking about setting up marks

I haven’t played marks in idk how long

[warm plinth]

DR is also tankier, both because it likes vers and because of smoke screen (makes your self heal also put your defensive up for a few seconds)

[solid sun]

That’s pretty nice

[lime spruce]

bros I am losing my mind in pug land I'm so damn tired of DPS trying to do my route for me and pulling extra shit I didn't want to

[lusty grotto]

its fine, just tank it

[lime spruce]

just had a Floodgate blow up from that "gg" "tank trolling"

I pulled 6 divers and the dps decided to bring all the algae to me too

[lusty grotto]

oh

[lime spruce]

ioh yeah this was no small thing

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats rough, but you should have done the algae first

always

so you activate boss before divers

[lime spruce]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

they shouldn't have done that though

[lime spruce]

Yeah. Just follow your tank man

[lusty grotto]

ehhh not really, sometimes we learn from dps

but pulling both packs is just inting

[lime spruce]

Yeah but put it in chat or pings or something

it's a voiceless pug err on the side of conservatively following your tank

a lot of the routes I see have you killing divers before algae on earlier pulls, that's what I was trying to correct for

[lusty grotto]

yeah you just want the RP playing while doing mobs

you shouldnt need to do it in vault keys but

[lime spruce]

yeah that makes perfect sense I'll adjust for that

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[lime spruce]

Yeah I'm just losing the will to hit 3k it's been like 5 bad runs for every 1 that actually works

[warm plinth]

I never do algae first idk

Seen people do dumb shit in that area though

Trying to trigger rp when both kelp and divers are still alive despite kelp literally patrolling on top of the bombs

[half jewel]

Anyone feel like pushing their buttons cuz of all the rage gen causes your spell queue to slow you down? It makes me feel like I have crazy input lag while not actually lagging.

Like I get up to 80-90 rage, hit IP or execute, and immediately have the same amount of rage and when I am hitting buttons they just aren't doing anything. Maybe hitting shit too fast? Idk

[lusty grotto]

you should

you can use divers for funnel when they are low and they should be by the time boss spawns

and/or pull bombs over when they die

[lusty grotto]

whats your spell queue window

[half jewel]

I had it at default for a while and then dropped it to 300 and then down to 250 and now i set it to 0 but havent tried it yet

[lusty grotto]

whats your ms

ping

[half jewel]

35

[lusty grotto]

do 150

[half jewel]

I have also had it where my taunts dont register that I pressed it

ok I will try 150

[lusty grotto]

yeah that could be anything

hard to say if its spell queue related since its offgcd

[half jewel]

You know what, i wonder if its my G keys I have setup on my keyboard

Cuz I have those set with shift + ctrl + a number and I also use a MMO mouse to hit 1 thru equals

[digital salmon]

It feels like lag but really your spells are going off on gcd just not necessarily in the correct order

[lusty grotto]

nah thats just default spell queue

they should be fine if they change it to 150 from whatever

[lusty grotto]

make sure you restart your game as soon as you change it btw

changes wont take effect until after a restart

thats a full restart and not a /reload

time

[half jewel]

Ok I will give that a shot, I kinda forgot to restart previously

[latent hollow]

What about https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/no-more-input-lag?

I haven’t tried it yet

[vestal epoch]

is this not just ass?

[lone current]

U already have myth shield ?

[stark latch]

Hello, does spell reflect prevents me you from getting rooted in last boss of ara kara?

[sleek lintel]

no

what level key you doin

if you got ignore pain runnin you can pop a shield wall and just eat it if you need to

[stark latch]

actually happened to a dps warr friend, trying to figure out what happened in this clip. https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/l8gvt5tBsQQyR78lJ?invite=cr-MSxISk8sMjIyNTQ4NTA0

he though he got blessing of freedom but it doesn;t look like it

[sleek lintel]

hrm hard to tell the spell reflect wore off as he landed too

[lone current]

Check out sense's spell refect sheet in the pins

[loud ether]

Yeah the reflect hit the ooze. The way the pools work is that it spawns an ooze that casts the root on the player. The spell reflect reflected the root onto the ooze. You can see it channeling it after the warrior died. Would definitely recommend them working on getting comfortable leaping the pull in (when your character bounces up, jump out)

[stark latch]

thanks guys 🙂

[ruby mist]

hey guys i have some trouble doing dawnbreaker on 16. how much % is others ignorpain at?

[fathom oasis]

You dont have to look at how much IP covered but rather that you are using it properly (at 70 rage)

If you spam IP you miss out on Revenge resetting SS

Are you logging your keys?

Rage wasted (by overcapping) and % attacks blocked are good indicators of whether or not you are managing the basics correctly

Also in DB, pulls with the blade dudes sometimes require CC into leap/spell reflect to make sure you drop stacks

[fathom oasis]

If you want real advice bring a log of one of your keys

[molten vault]

is there a spell reflect WA for this season

nvm found it, the one i used in s1 is updated lol

just started playing ym warrior agane

[sinful copper]

did they patch streets so u cant snap the direhorn up top?

of the wagon

nvm did it

[distant leaf]

guys im debating between prot war and prot pally, which one has better mitigation + self-sustain?

[jagged pier]

well one has better mitigation and one as better self sustain

[distant leaf]

i assume mitigation has war and self-sustain pally?

[jagged pier]

yes

[torpid dome]

How do you guys check your shield block uptime over the course of an entire dungeon?

[jagged pier]

logs

[torpid dome]

How do you filter out downtime due to movement in those cases where you dont have any mobs or adds, or when awaiting for boss animations and stuff?

[sick whale]

If it is just shield block uptime you can use details, if you wanna cross check the uptime along to see if you get spike dmg when it is down, yeah, logs.

[sick whale]

Out of combat?

[stray dome]

Debating with myself regarding going Iron dwarf or Kul Tiran Prot warr as first ever Alliance char. Is there any annoying things with Kul tiran? (Similar to Tauren being too big to go into openings etc..)

[jagged pier]

well thats the thing we dont care about uptime but effective use of your uptime which is why u look at blocked hits

cause that doesnt care about any of that stuff u listed

[torpid dome]

so combination of buff uptime with dmg spike taken

if there's dmg taken during downtime, thats bad

otherwise its /care

[jagged pier]

blocked hits shows if u are keeping shield block up enough / also facing the mobs when u do

u can technically have 100% uptime

and 0 blocked hits

[sick whale]

Mine is Dark Iron, but why not Dwarf?

[jagged pier]

which is why u need logs to check how u are using shield block

[torpid dome]

this stat basically?

[jagged pier]

yes

and thats low

[stray dome]

Oh I wouldnt mind Dwarf either. Just thought Dark Iron heritage looked nicer 😄

[torpid dome]

it is, wasn't the best dungeon, which is why im checking for what happened 🙂

[jagged pier]

so u are ither missing SB casts because not enough rage or shield charge casts, or not facing the mobs

i can have a quick look for you if u want

[torpid dome]

yeah im looking at multiple logs from last night on 13s, in principle it went okay, but I do notice that that blocked hits are low in general (+- 70%)

[proper sinew]

Hey guys, I really dislike the queue waiting room/decline game in mythic plus and want to get some fast ones. It's either going to be a protection warrior or restoration shaman. Are you guys getting some fast invites at a reasonable item level?

[jagged pier]

should be around 85%ish

[jagged pier]

healers are always rarer, after a certain point imo

just pick the role u enjoy more

they will both get invites quick

[torpid dome]

I got some way to go then

[sick whale]

Dark Iron has an interesting twist that you run faster in dungeons and you have the mole machine that you can collect in many zones to use it (30 min cd). The fire beard is also dope.
Kul tiran meh lol

[torpid dome]

If you want to take a look, would be appreciated jake, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PHt16bhRnF4zd7c3?fight=4&type=damage-taken&source=1 - very low on blocked hits
13 dawnbreaker which we timed and PSF https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PHt16bhRnF4zd7c3?fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=1 - 77% on blocked

[jagged pier]

yer your not casting SB enough

[stray dome]

That does sound nice :). Dark Iron it is, thanks for input!

[jagged pier]

do u have a tracker?

like in the priory u cast SB 93 times in 29 mins, in a 21 min run i cast it 116 times

[torpid dome]

no, other than my buffs top right, but I dont notice it

any tracker you recommend?

[jagged pier]

get one

nah

just get one

[torpid dome]

Usually a WA, right?

[jagged pier]

yer

but that will be your main problem, u also over commit to IP spamm

so your running dry on rage

[bleak scaffold]

I have nomeratur WA as a based and adapted to my preferences ^^ it helps tracking SB/IP a lot 🙂

[jagged pier]

so press SB may be a tad hard at time

but apart from that its alright

[torpid dome]

yeah thats a habbit im trying to reduce,

[jagged pier]

maybe a slight over use of revenege too, where u could SS and TC instead

but they all sort of feed into each other

[torpid dome]

trying to adjust my habbit to only pressing IP when over 70 rage, but at times seems to be muscle memory

[jagged pier]

but definatly only ip if your at 70+ rage

and get a SB buff tracker

cause you are just letting it fall off

[torpid dome]

yeah ill get that

and improve the visibility of my rage bar as well

[cunning moth]

Anyone knows what happened overnight? I was 2975 on EU when i logged out, and logged in today to being over 3k suddenly?

[jagged pier]

yer they fixed a bug

gave everyone like 40 score

[cunning moth]

Amazing. Thank you!

[torpid dome]

it's +5 score per +12 timed

[bleak scaffold]

Dazzler, you can have a "second" rage bar using WA too. so you can place it where it's best for you 🙂

[cunning moth]

Another question about trinkets also guys. I have Signet of priory myth and both tome of light devotion + brand of ceaseless ire on hero.

What should i dump the myth signet and run the two others? Or which trinkets do you think is best? For M+

[torpid dome]

yeah I have it on

but apparantly it's not in my eye sight well enough with the current placement lmao

[jagged pier]

nither

signet is bad for prot

[torpid dome]

My peripheral vision seems to be non-existent 🥲

[cunning moth]

So run the two hero trinkets then? tome + ceaseless ire?

[jagged pier]

ye

[cunning moth]

Okay thank you

[bleak scaffold]

nah, it's just that we all focus on smaller portion of our global eyesight when focusing on a task, size can differ from one another but that's just normal 🙂

[cunning moth]

What if i have +900 avoidance on the signet?

[jagged pier]

doesnt change anything

avoidance does nothing for tanks

[cunning moth]

really?

[jagged pier]

we dont die to aoe damage

thats not our issue

[cunning moth]

I've been on break since WoD so kinda not sure about all the different stats

In my head avoidance just sounds exactly like something a tank wanted

[jagged pier]

it only works on group wide damage

which is never an issue for a tank

[torpid dome]

yeah true, but just something I noticed while playing, that I notice the edges very little. So with things like the rage bar or SB uptime I should place it central so it's prevalent

[jagged pier]

leech is generally the only one that does something for tanks

[cunning moth]

Okay thank you so much!

[jagged pier]

but u dont drop ilvls for teriaries

[cunning moth]

Now i just gotta figure out how this tome trinket works

[torpid dome]

I'm not dying at 13s, but it is costing healer resources, which makes dps go die die

[jagged pier]

[cunning moth]

Haha thank you!

[bleak scaffold]

I can't find the video i saw, the guy was explaining the screen and view to say, if you want to see this when focus put it in this area etc...

But yeah, put these close to the center ^^

[jagged pier]

thats subjective to who the person is, but generally under char is a good place but some ppl dont like that and prefer stuff to the left right above

its all ubjective tothe person

but not moving eyes too see buffs is a big thing

[bleak scaffold]

Exactly ! UI is preference based 100%, but realizing that you have kind of a first circle which is the char, then a second circle that is close around that you see more is the basis 🙂

And then you need to find what is important for you to track and get as loaded screen as you need

Or as clean and "empty" as you need ^^

[torpid dome]

Alr ty people, I've got my homework 🙂

[bleak scaffold]

Got it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3GTD2zYt4A&pp=ygUUb3JnYW5pemUgd293IHNjcmVlbiA%3D

Just a help for placing UI items, might not fit everyone, it helped me to place things around

[mortal cypress]

I just have a massive button in the middle of the screen bound to Blizzard One Button rotation that I click. Takes up 1/4 of my screen

Healers job to keep me alive

[fathom oasis]

I think SB works very well as a bar that depletes as the time runs out

If you already have a ragebar, which you are probably constantly looking at, you can have it change colors if you don't have SB up

[torpid dome]

Something like that would be nice, yeah, but tbh I'm not a talent with making WA's... So I'll look if I can find something comparable to this

[fathom oasis]

Red if you have SB up, yellow if you don't, that way you instantly realize when you don't have it up. However, ideally what you want is for it to not fall off, so you are already failing once it changes color

Getting a progress bar for SB shouldnt be too hard, and there are probably a few in wago

[torpid dome]

yeah exactly

just need to look for it this weekend

and want to do the same with my rage bar

would be cool if that changes color

Red when <70

Green when >70 rage

but need to check how Im gonna do that

[fathom oasis]

The rage bar you use, is it from a WA or is it the default one?

[fathom oasis]

This is very simple to change if you already use a ragebar, it's just adding one condition

[torpid dome]

afaik WA

[native depot]

whats the best on use choice trinket? i farmed for cursed stone idol and got it recently? is it more viable tham tome in m+, and wath about raid?

[fathom oasis]

Tome is not really an on-use trinket

Why would you need it to be on-use anyways

[torpid dome]

I mean, in theory cursed stone idol is our highest dps trinket right? but just brings so much risk with the activation time on it

[fathom oasis]

I can send you a screen of what the condition to change the color will look like

In a few hours

[native depot]

so shouldnt i use it to change the passage on tome?

[torpid dome]

that'd be awesome, yeah, would be a real help. It's easy to link it to a condition like <>70 rage?

[fathom oasis]

Yeah, you use it to skip the bad chapter

But it isnt on use in the sense that you have it activate at a certain point

[torpid dome]

You activate tome to skip shield phase right?

[native depot]

yea but depends

if i need attack i change it

am i doing correct?

[fathom oasis]

Nah, it should always be in the crit status

If by the time the CD comes up you are really close to finishing the defense chapter, you let it be

Otherwise you switch from the armor chapter as soon as it comes up

[native depot]

oh ok

i will use it on raids, for m+ stone idol is better am i right?

[torpid dome]

I personally would not use stone idol

I use pacemaker + brand

or antenna + brand

[fathom oasis]

In raid, unless combat is short, the ideal combo is tome and brand

I think

Idk how the antenna sims came up in the end, I know something wasnt being modeled right

But just sim it

[torpid dome]

yeah fights under 5 minutes you take tome + antenna in raid

fights longer than 5 minutes, then brand becomes valuable

[formal salmon]

guys serious noob question but is there a way to sim tank or do I just go with dps

[torpid dome]

you can only sim for dps

but the stats that give us dps, also extrapolate to survivability and sustain eventually

Tho defensive usage are more important overall

[mellow yoke]

Cant sim survivability

[elfin elk]

Happy Friday, anyone have any general tips for mythic soul hunters? Finding it an annoying fight in general but especially because I feel I can't control much with the untankable guy just hopping around

[formal salmon]

thx guys

[steep pivot]

ara kara 13! xD

that trink chaotic nethergate... on st is weak, but on aoe deals decent amount of dmg... 15,5 of the dam is only trinkets

[restive jackal]

Hello ppl, if I dont have luck on the feet the Interloper's Plated Sabatons heroic is still good to use raid finder version for 20% efect for back or use heroic feet from m+/raid loot ?

[deft mortar]

aww man almost pugged a priory 15

It was so close

pretty impressive puggers

[steep pivot]

never tried 15s on this season yet, i feel thhat im behind on gear ilvl

[deft mortar]

healer didnt have CDs for the last pull (Very reasonably)

[steep pivot]

]lost a few vaults, and grabbed socket on the last one

[deft mortar]

last pull being the 2 packs into the boss

when mobs die they explode

[steep pivot]

true! xD ppl need to control it

[deft mortar]

whats ur ilvl

[steep pivot]

711

[mellow yoke]

If u stun them

[deft mortar]

oh i am sure u are good

[mellow yoke]

They dont explode

[deft mortar]

do you mean the acolytes that spawn or the packs

the 2 packs to the side of the stairs

we died P1

[mellow yoke]

The 2 packs

[deft mortar]

icic

i will try

[mellow yoke]

On stairs

[steep pivot]

i mean im takin it slow coz its my fisrt time tanking, imm learning rooutes and rotation... but i might try some hier keys

[deft mortar]

fair, fair

[mellow yoke]

So if u stun them at like 2-3%

no dmg

[deft mortar]

ah fk then I could have timed it!!

[steep pivot]

nice tip, i didnt knew

[deft mortar]

poor healear had no CDs either

the big paladin pack pull before 2nd boss he did 6M HPS

lol

poor guy

was abusive for him

Priory hates healers

[steep pivot]

happens bro, that ara kara that i just shared we timed by a few seconds, it was very vlose xD

by 7 seconds! i was almost standing here

[deft mortar]

had some deaths?

[steep pivot]

yes, 5

mmy shield block is never high, the best i doo is 75%

[jagged pier]

Your ss should not be below tc, your poor healer

[jagged pier]

Because theres rotational mistakes

[steep pivot]

how come?

you mean shield slam?

i pressed 300 SS and 200 tc

so i need to press more SS? to it be hier than TC?

[warm plinth]

Your groups don't have the mobs fully stun DRed 10 seconds in? What's that like

[steep pivot]

we spam chain CC so nothing casts xD

[mellow yoke]

Pugs force themselves to use brain on 17s

or else they stay on the ground

;(

[warm plinth]

It's funny as hell when you pull something and just see chaos nova, shadowfury, and cap totem come out in a 1.5 second window though ngl

[steep pivot]

the fun part is every CC at the same time

i have an aura that my char says "spell reflect!"

and ppl interrupt right after xD

[warm plinth]

I don't ever look at chat in keys tbh

[steep pivot]

it appears an black window right on top of my char written.. its not on chat, its in the middle of the commbat

[warm plinth]

Even on hunter, I have a WA that puts a message on my screen when someone says lust or hero so I notice they called for it

Yeah I assume that's due to chat bubbles, which i have disabled

[steep pivot]

oh i see

[bleak scaffold]

The black buble can be hidden by people

[steep pivot]

ill change the aura then, ill put yell instead of say

[bleak scaffold]

I removed them as they are just in the way .... and you MUST enable them again for Kyveza or you can't do the intermission phase

[warm plinth]

yell isn't gonna be any more visible than say for either of those conditions

[bleak scaffold]

You need a "raid alert" I don't recall the exact term, but this is not available when in Group I assume

[steep pivot]

and that aura informs how much reflected dam, nice

[warm plinth]

Yeah, no raid warning in dungeons sadly

[bleak scaffold]

Like BW/DBM are using to send text alert

[solid sun]

I purposely don’t get the spell reflect announcement aura because then I’ll be even more annoyed when it’s ignored

[warm plinth]

For anything significant I'll do a warning ahead of time but I don't say reflecting. Like third boss of halls I stop and say don't worry about kicking this boss

Works most of the time

[bleak scaffold]

i'm surprised that informing DPS not to kick is working so well 😄

[solid sun]

Yeah I do that. “I got all the kicks here. Don’t bother”

Normally they still do

[warm plinth]

In the moment it never works, but if I stop before boss they get antsy and look at chat to see what's going on 😂

[solid sun]

I chalk it up to instinct

[bleak scaffold]

reflexes :/

[steep pivot]

lol its true... "so i get first, krog second and then (...)"
fight starts and everysingle interrupt right on the first xD

[warm plinth]

I also always reflect last second because sometimes I can save it that way

[steep pivot]

yes, and i do notice if them interrupts are on cd

[solid sun]

Breakfast taco, kolache, or donut

What we thinking this morning

[steep pivot]

if your a cop, get em donuts!

[bleak scaffold]

[steep pivot]

hehehe just joking! i had some donnuts this week... gf loves it

[neon elk]

Taco, donut is just a snack afterwards

[bleak scaffold]

Just got some pizza (but it's 2pm in France so ...)

[steep pivot]

your english is good jhih ^^

[bleak scaffold]

Pizza and Beer ... best breakfast when i was 20 >_<

[steep pivot]

9:36 AM here in Brasil... ill start to work now

[bleak scaffold]

Thanks 🙂 I have to, working in IT and International contexts, english is mandatory

[torpid dome]

You press shield slam off cooldown

Shield slam has priority over thunder clap, when doing this, it shouldn't be possible that your thunder clap deals more dmg than shield slam over the duration of a dung

[steep pivot]

hmm so even on aoe?

[torpid dome]

yes

[steep pivot]

i see, ill try to focuus on that... my shield block is not decent (90ish%) o think that is coz i rotate wrong

[torpid dome]

This is from a 13 priory yesterday, I casted shield slam mostly on cooldown and it has more than 2 times the amount of casts than thunder clap

[steep pivot]

ok nice to see that, i do TC alot

[torpid dome]

TC less, shield slam on cooldown

[floral trail]

Would you use sac brood or soleah with crit in higher keys? Sims dps wise it’s basically the same for me, thought maybe someone got a tip here

[torpid dome]

Soleah seems to sim higher

[queen sigil]

heroic weapon fully upgraded with crafted shield or craft weapon first

[bleak scaffold]

In theory shield first

[queen sigil]

in practice?

[bleak scaffold]

The golden rule is shield first for the def values

But if you have a hero shield and barely veteran weapon this might be a situation to evaluate

[lime spruce]

finally timed my first 12 Floodgate I need a smoke

and I don't even smoke

[bleak scaffold]

👏

🚭

[tacit gorge]

i have a trinket question: i got antenna 723, pace 704, brand 704, HoA Trinket 723, Sacbrood 704 what combination would you play? for lvl 12-14 Keys

i tanked mostly 10s and wanna go for the 3k score this Weekend

[steep pivot]

antenna and hoa trinket, both myth ^^

antena and brand i trink ^^

[torpid dome]

what is the HoA trink?

[steep pivot]

its one that 1.5 min cd that casts something and stacks str

[bleak scaffold]

HOA Trinket is the idol

[torpid dome]

oh cursed idol

I tink Brand + Antenna might be best

[bleak scaffold]

Brand seem so strong that even hero seem to bit the crap out of all others in Myth ...

So Brand 😄

[steep pivot]

oh it didnt stacks str, it stacks crit

[bleak scaffold]

And then sim it, but yeah would say idol as it's myth track

Antenna there is a lot of talk around it :x I would say test it by yourself and compare with the logs.

[narrow jay]

Why do most prot warriors use radiant power wep enchant when it Sims the worst in single target and AoE. Do I go with my Sims or do I follow the masses? 😅

[fathom oasis]

Ok, so, this is my rage bar WA with its Rage trigger (in this case it's trigger 1, there could be more):

now, in that same, WA you just need to add a condition that uses the trigger that we checked previously and have it change the color if its value is greater than whatever number you chose:

[pulsar epoch]

guys i need some safe route for priory for 15 key level. I just cant intime people always failling somehow.

[fathom oasis]

who are these "most prot warriors"?

35 warriors from murlok.io?

[narrow jay]

Archon for keys shows over 50% using it

[fathom oasis]

i assume it's an ok middle point between ST and AoE?

[narrow jay]

Oathsworns tenacity the vers proc sims best in single target and aoe by a decent amount

[fathom oasis]

using your gear, or theirs? sim could be different depending on your gear

[torpid dome]

Awesome, thank you! Will check it tomorrow

[blazing shuttle]

Stupid question, but.

Do you guys have a WA for Violent Outburst?

[torpid dome]

Id ont, I noticed in https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1269009097525694616 channel that one of the WA packages does

[narrow jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sVwnQ1PDycmyTCEZgGSDyZ

[fathom oasis]

You can adapt this one

[narrow jay]

Shows mastery as my best wep enchant for single target

[blazing shuttle]

Cheers mate.

[fathom oasis]

shows an increasing amount of stacks and when it's about to proc

[narrow jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xkB2y6j6dk7npoM94Uia7d

And mastery again for aoe so I guess we go mastery lol

Which is weird cause you think gaining strength would be worth more than any secondary stat

[lusty grotto]

not really

last season(s) of the expansions usually lean more into secondaries

makes perfect sense

secondaries have more values, and radiant power is 2230 STR vs 3910 secondary

so a little under double the amount

[narrow jay]

So basically most people don't sim and just keep running radiant power anyways lol

[solid sun]

I was going to say that but I was afraid I’d be wrong

I should have trusted myself

[lusty grotto]

right

hell

i swapped to secondaries enchant last season

cause it outsimmed radiant

radiant-like primary enchants are very good at the start of the expansion though

that might change a little after the squish

[narrow jay]

Oh for sure season 1 depths was super broken in single target now it's shit

[lusty grotto]

with primary being more important for longer on enchants

[bleak scaffold]

I need to review how I sim I must be doing it wrong it never told me to swap the enchant :x

[wide cosmos]

quick question and sorry if this has been asked before but what settings are you using to sim prot warr? Raid and M+ settings

[undone beacon]

Raid is fine at 1 target 5 min, M+ is 1 target 3 min AND 5 target 1:30

[lusty grotto]

ST just 1 target 3 min or 5 min
AOE/Keys you do 5 target patchwerk 1.5 min

[wide cosmos]

oh so not dungeon slice anymore as its not supoported?

[lusty grotto]

it was never supported

[wide cosmos]

sorry its been a while for me

[undone beacon]

Yeah no dungeon slice

[bleak scaffold]

Radiant is doing strength and damage

[wide cosmos]

ok thanks a lot guys

[plush tendon]

try dis 🙂

[solid sun]

Do you have to do three paladin groups before the second boss at a 15

[bleak scaffold]

shouldn't we have a route chan ? :x even just to store/share them, I assume these gets lots in the zillion messages :x

[plush tendon]

you usually lust pull 8

[lusty grotto]

it has been discussed

but its not that common anyway

[plush tendon]

then chain in the rest as they come down

[worn reef]

hi all kinda new to higher ara kara keys, last boss when cosmic singularity comes out i survived every one on a +10 key with spell reflect and a cd, can i cheese that on a +12 or should i just stand in the gunk to not get sucked in or is there a way to cheese it another way besides standing in ooze

[plush tendon]

get sucked in, time leap to about .5 before the cast goes off, and leap

[undone beacon]

It gives you a 75% damage done reduction and makes you take 75% extra damage if you stand in it. Practice leaping out to cheese

[plush tendon]

risk reward really aint there

tbh

[undone beacon]

The damage isn’t crazy for tanks but you’re inting just eating it

[worn reef]

i tried that in a +10 and it kinda teleported me on top of the boss and knocked me back, i guess i leaped too early?

[lusty grotto]

yup too early

[solid sun]

Wait for the little knock up

And then leap

[worn reef]

another ara kara question, is it better to path left or right to the last boss or dont matter really

to the last boss

[undone beacon]

Depends on how you routed the dungeon

[worn reef]

i did first pull right then went full left it went well

[undone beacon]

Personally I go straight down mid in last room

[lusty grotto]

nah mid is a time loss

its fine for vault 12s but

its a time loss

[undone beacon]

Mid slander

Next time I’ll jungle

[lusty grotto]

[worn reef]

when i pull double overseer when i go left, i noticed i could not move like the 3rd time the web move came out, i know it wasn't the ooze stun cause i would know it was the ooze, was i in something else like webs on the ground or something, someone told me webs stack up to 5 times and you get stunned, i get a bit confused with not moving when i tank that pack

[next plover]

Yo if I only do 14s is heavy repercussions fine?

[lusty grotto]

the drones apply a slow

[worn reef]

ah thats it

[lusty grotto]

if the slow stacks up high, youll essentially get rooted

s1, it was freedom'able, and avatar'able

this season its just straight up dispellable

beside's the other two and tiger's lust

[worn reef]

so my only choices is avatar or leap i suppose

[lusty grotto]

so healer issue

no your choice is to rely on your healer

youre not gonna hold an avatar for it

[worn reef]

yeah for real its part of my rotation lol

[lusty grotto]

uhhh theres no such thing as rotation this aint vanilla

[worn reef]

if i cant move ill just pop cds and pray i stay alive hah

[lusty grotto]

but i get what youre trying to say

[undone beacon]

too bad it isnt a curse or we could finally have that BITTER IMMUNITY SWEEP

[lusty grotto]

you play it if youre under 21k haste rating, key level doesnt matter

[toxic gyro]

One day they’ll buff it and add bleed removal to it.

[undone beacon]

The fact that Last Stand doesnt have Bitter Immunity baked in is crazy to me

[next plover]

Ye im just bad at managing shield block and its a lot to manage while starting out on warr 😅

[lusty grotto]

yeah its fine if you play it

[undone beacon]

HR is fine to run. Once you have enough haste ITF is the higher damage option but its not inting to be a big HR lad

[lusty grotto]

you will be at a loss in rage intake and dps though

[worn reef]

dont know if it matters but say im on a boss and i got shield slam revenge and thunder blast charges up, whats prio, im thinking shield slam then thunder blast charges when shield slam not up revenge and then as filler hit ignore pain shield block to get my next avatar rolling sooner

[lusty grotto]

TB is prio

[lime spruce]

10 deaths from DPS failing mechanics on HOA 12 and still almost timed it by < 10 sec

[lusty grotto]

TB is only NOT prio on Outburst and only in ST

[lime spruce]

I need Good Will Hunting Robyn Williams in my life rn

[wide cosmos]

For crafted items.. have shield/weap/Bracer// whats next, belt with haste/vers?

[lusty grotto]

belt with haste + whetever sims best

haste/crit probably

[wide cosmos]

okay appreciate it

[lusty grotto]

IP is not a filler

you IP at 70+ rage

thats it

your filler is revenge

TB > SS > TC > Rev/Exe

outburst (ST): SS > TB > TC

outburst (2+ targets): TB > SS > TC

[lime spruce]

whelp I've been doing it backwards lol

[lusty grotto]

outburst (7+ targets): TB > TC > SS

[lime spruce]

IP as spam and revenge as overflow dump

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats backwards

IP is off gcd so its faster rage consumption

which you can weave into GCDs

[next plover]

Thank you 🫡 coming from bdk I’m not used to having to think about my mitigation uptime this much haha

[worn reef]

i go to warcraftlogs and i picked a mythic track pacemaker, i got that with heroic ire and i guess this season war is all about dps now i guess right? like i understand crit is double damage and yellow numbers and all that but do i get crit heals when i do impending victory or anything else beneficial cause i got 2 crit trinkets

[lusty grotto]

you only really revenge when your SS/TB/TC are on cd, and/or are missing deep wounds in aoe, likely on the opener

[lofty warren]

Is right or left easier for priory now? Right still?

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean this season

this has been the case since

forever

plus Brand has a defensive component

[lime spruce]

it's a funny question to answer because if you have a pug party that's pepega w/ interrupts I'm not so sure right ends up being easier

[solid sun]

Right is easier for me

So I go right

[worn reef]

it seems if you go right you rely on the patrols a bit more while left is you are sure your team can interrupt some mage priest things

depends on your group if they seem to be interrupt dumb and you can time the patrols good go right

[plush tendon]

people go right in bigger keys

but they are also able to interrupt the fire ball dude on first boss

for lower keys, maybe till like 14/15 left might be easier? IDK, I just go right

ive gotten used to it and I like it

[solid sun]

I don’t factor the rest of the group into the decision at all

Going right makes the first boss easier for me to deal with so I go right and if people fail interrupts I just go again

[plush tendon]

I always factor what my group can handle

but yea, fireballs wont kill at lower levels if they go through

I also think people, at this point, expect to go right

[solid sun]

Not for that I don’t.

[plush tendon]

though, Ive basically removed all the casters from first area of priory

only ever pull 1 at a time in that area

[solid sun]

It’s the archers for me

I still run into groups that don’t stack

Danny the Destro lock just hanging out in Zimbabwe

[minor aurora]

200 guilded to sparte

nothing to use on

would craft 720 belt?

[lusty grotto]

since i cant see ilvls on items

im assuming those are crafted weapon/shield and wrist?

if so yes you do belt

[minor aurora]

yep, all 720

the idol is 723

the rest 710/704

expect 688 helmet

and 701 brand

the lack of runed is real

[bleak scaffold]

You know that when you reach the cap for gilded on a given week, instead of getting nothing you get runed ?

just so you don't need to run delves or lower keys

[fathom oasis]

https://wago.io/bRl2gJIgz

send pic with that WA 😄

[analog radish]

Did Brand get nerfed? I just got a crappy one on my warrior and it's only doing 1.5-2.5% of my damage and healing in a T11 delve, hardly warranting losing mainstat.

[jagged pier]

Its not gunna do much in a delve theres too many breaks in combat

[analog radish]

Ah I see, so more for keys where the fights will last longer. That's what I was thinking.

[sonic crag]

The runed crest farm is real. Yes you can cap weekly gilded and start to get runed. However, after you're in all Hero/Myth gear and there are no more dungeon items you're chasing, and after you've hit your 8 for vault, it's just lame. Like, stock piling gilded is a decent idea for 11.2.5 but in the interim your time might be better spent blasting a +6 to get the immediate upgrade to 4/6 Hero

[lean furnace]

what's the upper limit for haste? I'm just over 26k, wondering if I should be swapping deadly emeralds to versatile rubies and that sort of thing

[lusty grotto]

you can stop at around 27k

or if you feel confident in your SB uptime with ITF

[coarse bay]

If you got full hero/myth gear before having enough runed, youre much luckier than i was

[toxic gyro]

You can also exchange lesser crests for runed.

[minor aurora]

with chinkys

[dusky canopy]

Pretty cool character pain ngl

[mellow yoke]

finally

I attained the elusive Brand of Ceaseless Ire

[dusky canopy]

Gz

[mellow yoke]

after 200k gold

cause of yet another single digit roll

on this stupid shit

[minor aurora]

thanks, i just need to change the helmet

but i have tier 3 shoulders too

[mellow yoke]

man

how do y'all farm naxx

for ts bro

[minor aurora]

i play since... vanilla?

[mellow yoke]

that explains it

[minor aurora]

but mine is from Naxx WotLK

[lusty grotto]

theres an attunement quest for old naxx

if you didnt do it back then like us

[jagged pier]

u can literally far it now in game + gold

[mellow yoke]

I have done that

but then

I gotta farm a few months

and that's relying on RNG

and then spend

3 mil gold

or something

to get a single sett

[serene wave]

Is Dimensius ring good or not worth it? I have 28k haste with it, would go down to 21.5 before into the fray applies without

[jagged pier]

nah it depends how many chars u have, i got enough for 4 pieces a week in df

[minor aurora]

That's what im doing, honestly.

[serene wave]

id swap it for a 720 crafted ring with versa crit

[minor aurora]

just farming 13s for resil

[lusty grotto]

no you wouldnt

get more haste

[mellow yoke]

I mean

that's you

I farmed it some

2 weeks

on a few chars

and I got nothing

[serene wave]

crit haste missive instead?

[lusty grotto]

the dimensius ring is good yes, but you have 2 slots

[serene wave]

I have ring of the Panooply in the other slot

[lusty grotto]

do you have belt

or myth belt

[serene wave]

i have crafted belt

[lusty grotto]

and bracers?

and myth weapon and shield?

[serene wave]

I have bracers shield and belt crafter

and 710 salhadaar wep

[lusty grotto]

craft weapon

[serene wave]

both rings 704

ppanoply and dimensius ones

[bleak scaffold]

it was just in case. I also had similar issue where I couldn't upgrade all my hero to 4/6 immediately and had to wait next week, 2 weeks and it was done.

[lusty grotto]

yes, doesnt matter, craft weapon

[serene wave]

cool

[mellow yoke]

what's a WA that tracks my brand stacks

[lusty grotto]

any trinket tracker

basically

[serene wave]

what weapon shouuld i craft??

[lusty grotto]

any that has strength

the type doesnt matter as long as it has strength

[mellow yoke]

hmm

why am i not getting brand stacks

is it rng after every 15 secs

or?

quite some time in combat

[lusty grotto]

you need to read

"taking damage"

very important part of it

[mellow yoke]

that explains it

[warm plinth]

Testing trinkets on dummies (or even talents sometimes) can be very hit or miss anyway

Better off going into normal rookery and killing some packs

[mellow yoke]

yeah I take damage on dummies with a grain of salt

tbh

[serene wave]

Forged Weapons

What enchant is good? Council Guile?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims highest

[mellow yoke]

should I craft feet

considering I didnt get any from raid

[lusty grotto]

do you have myth weapon/shield and dawn/dusk bracers/belt?

[mellow yoke]

I have crafted shield, myth wep and myth wrist

myth belt too

I currently use crafted wrists and shield though

[lusty grotto]

so you dont have any dusk/dawn embelishments

[mellow yoke]

cus i dont wanna lose the effect for 3 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

ok i see

[mellow yoke]

my shield crafted so that's locked in

[lusty grotto]

you can craft boots i guess since you have myth belt

and im guessing you dont kill myth hunters

[mellow yoke]

yep

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

[loud sigil]

See alot of people stacking vers at the moment any idea of how thats working out?

[mellow yoke]

some people run more versa than others

[lusty grotto]

youre gonna have to say who these "lots of people" are

[mellow yoke]

ig it's up to feeling, or simming urself, ig

[jagged pier]

guess

[lusty grotto]

our stat prio hasnt changed

and this aint BFA s4

[loud sigil]

Those who shall not be named lol

[lusty grotto]

so before we get into the versa andy conversation

[warm plinth]

Andy stacks vers?

See what I did there?

[lusty grotto]

i will say that if youre looking at streamers and r1 players, make sure you understand ilvl caps, infinitely scaling content etc

thats about it

we still like crit over vers here

[jagged pier]

vers is just consistent DR, which high key ppl like, which is why they take bloodbourne over whirling blade, etc etc its consistent

[serene wave]

Quick question, whats the best way to set raidbots to check for encahnts patchwerk 5 boss?

[jagged pier]

but they are only getting to about 10% dr from the stat

which wont do anything for them

[lusty grotto]

depends on the content you do the most

[serene wave]

m+#

[lusty grotto]

then 5 patchwerk 1.5 min

[serene wave]

Thank you bud

[strong forum]

is it vers stacking

or is it that those items are also the highest haste items

🙂

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mentioned that the other day

[jagged pier]

they are crafting with ver as well

[lusty grotto]

there's a fuckload of items this season with haste+vers

[strong forum]

andy has crit crafted

[lusty grotto]

whereas last season it was loaded with haste+crit

[orchid narwhal]

After playing with this macro for a bit, I feel that it is not meant to be replaced with ignore pain

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

I feel like it can be a seperate keybind, but specifically that I shouldnt be replacing IP flat out

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[strong forum]

why not

[jagged pier]

dont think hes top 50 anymore

so wont show on archo etc

[strong forum]

hes #20 or smth

21

[orchid narwhal]

Well because sometimes you're going to proc violent outburst, and you hit this macro to ip, and then you get the shield slam proc at the exact same time, you end up spending ip with shield slam over tb

[jagged pier]

changed his name then

[strong forum]

correct

[jagged pier]

but thats still 1 data point compared to the other 49

[lusty grotto]

it happens very infrequently Lassitude

[strong forum]

kira is running giga crit ring

[lusty grotto]

if it happens

[strong forum]

so like

[orchid narwhal]

yeah but i feel like it happens enough that its bait

[mellow yoke]

time to put Brand

to the test

[lusty grotto]

sure feel free to not use it

[mellow yoke]

in a 14

[jagged pier]

you really dont loose that much sending into VB

cause rage gen

[lusty grotto]

i aint gonna drop it

[jagged pier]

its fine

[serene wave]

apperently the mastery enchant is good? accoording to sim

[orchid narwhal]

Is it really fine to be sending VO into shield slam in very large pulls?

[lusty grotto]

then you go mastery enchant

[strong forum]

yes

[jagged pier]

cause your low mastery probs

[orchid narwhal]

Like is it marginal?

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[orchid narwhal]

huh thats sorta wild

Single target spell over like hitting 15 mobs

[jagged pier]

like really the only time u dont want to send is on a buffed TB, tbh

rage gen

[strong forum]

welcome to prot warrior

[jagged pier]

rage gen rage gen

and SS hits like a fucking train

[orchid narwhal]

Yea but rage gen is infinite in those pulls anyway

[strong forum]

more = better

its not about "enough"

its about MORE

also, if you are paying attention

you can just press TB before SS

[jagged pier]

if you ever hear any say we have enough rage gen, they dont understand the fundamentals of the class

[strong forum]

or use IP between globals

so you play around the fact that you have the macro

use it between globals

and you automatically have the freedom to optimally use your Outbursts

this macro is in place to snipe resets and to prevent loss of gcds

[vocal cave]

if cd on avatar is up and I have still TB charges remaining I hold avatar or just fire as it is?

[jagged pier]

i only ever really send it on a buffed TB, because SS still does around the same with VO as a VO normal TB upto like 4 targets cause rage gen

[lusty grotto]

the macro only activates if youre doing late weaving

[strong forum]

send avatar as is

[lusty grotto]

so what Nome says is 100%

[jagged pier]

and also im old and my finggies are still used to only sending on SS sine SL

[strong forum]

literally does no harm

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

[strong forum]

as TB does fuckall damage without tierset proc during avatar

the only reason why TB is so high is because you send so many

not because it hits hard

[orchid narwhal]

Is that really the case though

Like im looking at my log, and its like, i have less thunderblast cats than shield slam and this is the breakdown

But thats like every log I've ever had

[strong forum]

well DUH

it hits more than 1 target ofc its gonna do more overall

[orchid narwhal]

Hmmm, you bring up a good point

It is technically doing way less dmg PER target

considering shield slam literally hits ONe thing

[strong forum]

si

[orchid narwhal]

okay i get it now

[strong forum]

[orchid narwhal]

Oki I will continue using this macro

[strong forum]

hits only 1 target but still 10% of your overall damage

[orchid narwhal]

Ty all

[strong forum]

SS very good

it also keeps the flow going

[bleak scaffold]

Rage gen too no ?

[strong forum]

thats what im implying

[bleak scaffold]

too late sorry master 😉

[strong forum]

what kills a pwar is empty GCDs

if you sit there twiddling thumbs for 2-3 gcds

THATS when you start panicking

so pressing SS is never wrong

cuz it literally prevents that

[orchid narwhal]

Heres a good question, this happens like literally once every 3 keys, where I quite literally run out of gcds, cant press IP, can't press revenge, can't press SS or TB

is this because i hit too much IP too early

[strong forum]

revenge is your lowest prio

beyond applying deep wounds

[strong forum]

yes

too much IP

you wanna keep 20-30 rage always in the tank

to fish for resets via revenge