protection

[plush tendon]

I dont invite mages

unless they are like 100-200 score ahead of me

I did do a 16 Flood with a Holy Paladin

he was legit

never felt safer in my life

just sad he doesnt have windfury

[undone beacon]

See, if theres a survival hunter in your group you KNOW theyre gonna be goated becasue even with bm/mm where they are they stick to what they know and BLAST

[solid sun]

Survival is the best hunter spec for sure

[undone beacon]

I'm not gonna compromise what im good at to spam barbed shot because it has a theoretically higher damage ceiling

[plush tendon]

ill be honest... we really just wanted a second range

[undone beacon]

I'm gonna throw bombs and murder the charts

[plush tendon]

for first boss XD

[undone beacon]

I guesssss

[warm plinth]

Whaaat

[plush tendon]

so you dont have to move her

[undone beacon]

I don't invite mages
we wanted a second mage

smh

[plush tendon]

they bait the circles out of melee

[warm plinth]

Who wants more ranged smh

[solid sun]

Seriously

[warm plinth]

1 is enough

[plush tendon]

so you have healer+range do it

[warm plinth]

Yeah, no one plays the melee healers anyway

[plush tendon]

I wont lie, I like either 3 melee dps

or 1 melee 2 range

[warm plinth]

Though the last dawn I did, the healer was like nah ima stand in melee

[plush tendon]

2 melee and 1 range makes melee feel crowded

but when its zug zug 3 melee its ok

[undone beacon]

three melee first boss dawnbreaker pog

[plush tendon]

cause its a mindset

[warm plinth]

Actually had two funny key moments yesterday

[fathom oasis]

i honestly apply that to any offspeccer with very high IO

by offspeccer i mean people who play specs with very low representation

[warm plinth]

First I died at end of eco because the tank went to pull a few more mobs after a pactspeaker pack. The two melee immediately left the pactspeaker we were fighting. Which had 0.3% hp when it put up its shield 🙂

[fathom oasis]

off-meta player was probably a more appropiate way to refer to them

[warm plinth]

If they'd stayed we would've easily killed before the shield. Ended up dying to being out of range of healer trying to prevent him from having deal with 2 rituals at the same time lol. Worth

[plush tendon]

pactspeakers are the worst

[warm plinth]

2nd fun thing was I managed to stand on a sweet spot on the pull before end of ara kara

And made the entire pull evade and then absolutely merc my dps

Didn't seem to be anything weird. Just standing in a normal place.

Then out of nowhere all my plates turn red

[undone beacon]

BDK, Holy Priest, Aug Evoker, Surv Hunter, Arms Warrior

[solid sun]

Did you become a hackermans

[warm plinth]

Listen I don't discuss my tactics

[solid sun]

lol

[undone beacon]

Tell me that comp isnt goated

lust, rez, uhhhhhh aug

[plush tendon]

replace the aug with a dev

[warm plinth]

Also has anyone experienced a good frost dk? My buddy was tanking priory and other buddy was playing frost dk. Fdk peeled suleyman 51 seconds into the pull after he dropped a 30.8 mil crit on him with reaper mark

[undone beacon]

at that point id bring a frost mage instead smh

[warm plinth]

Was pretty funny

[plush tendon]

elemental shaman would be better

your warrior will love you for that

[undone beacon]

I'm aiming for lowest representation tho

[fathom oasis]

what's an aug, is that a new class?

[plush tendon]

Aug Evoker

[warm plinth]

Never heard of it

[undone beacon]

Whats that

[fathom oasis]

me neither

[plush tendon]

used to be hard required, now dead in the water

[solid sun]

You know

[undone beacon]

oof less aug evokers in keys than aff locks

hate to see it

[fathom oasis]

nah, you must be misremembering

i don't think such a spec exists

you sure you haven't dreamt of it?

[warm plinth]

Evoker only has 2 specs

[undone beacon]

fuck it im rerolling aug

[solid sun]

I actually invited an Aug a few days ago to a key. I was trying to be nice and brought them because I figured they’d rarely get invites being an Aug

[warm plinth]

Maybe they'll get a third some day

[solid sun]

The dude was such an insufferable prick the entire time

[undone beacon]

according to wowheaed their default raid build is the exact same as their default m+ build? wild

[fathom oasis]

i there really was such a supp spec, how come there arent any more supp specs?

[undone beacon]

because aug failed

[dusky canopy]

Hey I know one of those!

[fathom oasis]

also, you think blizzard would let a single spec absolutely break the meta and be hard required for seasons on end?

[warm plinth]

I feel like aug was doomed to fail from the start tbh

[fathom oasis]

nah, it can't be

[warm plinth]

Should've put a lot more thought into it

[undone beacon]

Its hard to bring a fourth role into a game designed around the holy party trinity

[solid sun]

Who is it

[undone beacon]

I honestly wish aug was a tank spec with the unique niche of group buffs

Mitigate damage with black and bronze dragonflight magic

[solid sun]

The more you buff your friends, the more damage you can take for them

Because power of friendship

[undone beacon]

That would be kinda neat actually ngl

Or imagine like a tank with alter time

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/friendship-workaholics-power-friendship-power-blake-anderson-gif-7642697

[fathom oasis]

ranged tank that places copies of itself, and casts from afar

ala Azir style

[nocturne spindle]

aug is the tank role

but you just have to buff whoever has agro

[solid sun]

Wildstar had a ranged tank

[nocturne spindle]

and theyre the actual tank with your mitigation

[fathom oasis]

"hey Timmy, quickly, go grab that mob, I gotchu"

and then you don't cast any mitigation on him

[dusky canopy]

🤐

[prisma echo]

Warrior friends, please help me, what im missing. I check the logs and everybody is going Ire/Antena. But if i sim it show me less dmg in every scenario. Im running Myth Tome + HC Ire and its best in ST and lose some in AOE. What am im missing that everybody go antena+ire?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hEKRhn2N2xefVjVhvd1Wfe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2FXL5WjjpYKkssibVAYwkS

[dusky canopy]

Tome is good for ST boss parse

Antenna is good for aoe + st

[prisma echo]

@dusky canopy but acording to sims antena is +0,3% on aoe and -2,3% on ST

thats the question if im simming correctly

[dusky canopy]

Well yeah, tome is the best st trinket

Also you might have a lot of Crit already from other sources lowering its value slightly on your sim

[sonic terrace]

which is better a heroic wep crit haste or mythic haste mastery?

[prisma echo]

Thats my second question my friend. Not sure if my stats are correct. For now (pre-flask) im

19337 (34%) crit
24767 (42%) haste
8033 (29%) mastery
2217 (3%) versatility

I craft items with crit/haste as in guides but i see that many people go for haste/vers. Is the answer "sim it" and i need to go all combinations or by looking you can see that something is already too high for now?

[dusky canopy]

Only robot knows

[hearty cipher]

so little vers 😨

[undone beacon]

as a rule weapon ilvl >>> stats

[dusky canopy]

The robot knows what it likes based on what you have there’s not much more to it than that

[undone beacon]

a 723 myth weapon > a 720 crafted weapon

typically

of course you should always

[round pendant]

vers bad crit better

[prisma echo]

Okey broski. ill sim myself all combinations

[undone beacon]

Dump all stats but vers, easy game

[nocturne spindle]

the robot will bring you down to like 21k haste just as a warning

[dusky canopy]

Imagine perma 50% Dr

Lmao

[nocturne spindle]

which is TECHNICALLY fine

[undone beacon]

literally gaming

[lime spruce]

do you guys source other players for pugging anywhere more reliable than in the client I am about to quit pugging forever lol

[nocturne spindle]

but makes shield block way more annoying to keep up

[hearty cipher]

can't crit when you are dead on the floor

[prisma echo]

I have 24k before flask and i go alchemical chaos so i think there is room for wiggle right?

[nocturne spindle]

yea it just depends on what gear you hvae available

[dusky canopy]

Nope I only use in game and use current and past io score as metrics to consider before inviting

[nocturne spindle]

just be warned the robot will say basically 21k haste

and i didnt like that

[prisma echo]

Im warned

[chilly brook]

Nuke aug, replace with earth warden tank spec

[lime spruce]

yeah that's what I'm hearing most people say, on one hand my adhd has decided to hyperfocus on getting to 3k but real life feedback is saying that pug life became booster hell this week

anyone in any good large social guilds that do midcore M+ looking for more of us 😂

[wide cosmos]

need help pls.. is this a token vault? have Crafted bracers, Myth track non-set chest set, neck and trinket for ilvl..

[solid sun]

One day we will do skyhold keys again

And we will laugh and laugh and laugh

[round pendant]

You'll never die from lack of vers

[undone beacon]

[round pendant]

looks like it yeah but sim the neck ig

[undone beacon]

You can sim a great vault gem slot and it’ll compare it against the other options

[wide cosmos]

thanks will do, appreciate the input

[hearty cipher]

sure but last time I checked it was still blood flowing through my veins and not electricity

wish i was as good as the robot

[glacial lynx]

Considering crafting boots over waiting on the heroic track reshi boots

[round pendant]

robot is worse than everyone at defense

crit and vers are pretty close defensively afaik

so I just go crit cause it's more fun

[fathom oasis]

i try not to get crit too high in comparison with versa because we get some big crit procs with most setups

[honest chasm]

do you ever end up using rend or hamstring

[blazing shuttle]

Why would you spend rage on Rend, when Thunderclap spreads it?

[honest chasm]

idk i just made it today so figuring out bars

[mellow bridge]

rend never, hamstring basically never outside of pvp

like super niche

also take off slam and whirlwind

you dont need those buttons ever

[charred ivy]

we go haste crit now? or haste vers?

[nocturne spindle]

you go haste>a mix of everything else

[charred ivy]

was thinking for craft. i guess ill just haste crit

[shrewd lake]

Shield slam good
More demolish

[nocturne spindle]

for craft its still a sim thing

[fathom oasis]

slam is a different skill

than shield slam

[mellow bridge]

slam is not shield slam

[shrewd lake]

😮

Boi did I have to be careful during my Google search

[frosty mango]

Not with that attitude it isn’t

[nova bane]

How do people push keys ? I need a flood/psf 16 to be resi 16, it's so easily doable, didn't time psf 16 with 10 deaths by 1 second, I would like to push even more, up to 18 and try 19s but there are like 1 or 2 keys just for 16s, it's kind of pathetic

Are people playing in guilds ? Communities ? Or is M+ just completely dead ? I mean it's a +16/+17 not a freaking +21

Why don't Blizzard make it so when you get resi +15, it gives you a random key +16 that can not deplete, you have to complete it to get a random +17, then if you deplete the 17, it give you back a random +16 that can't deplete, at least this freaking way you are pushing a layer above, having fun and not having to worry about queuing your key or people doing so, you learn well the dungeon and so on

Currently the resilient is just completely useless, it is just here to make you less unhappy, not happy

You get resi 16, the week reset and now you want to play and push 17, well no, you can't. You need to first do a 16 to get it to 17, so you have to throw away 40min of your life for literally nothing (potentially much more than 40min), it is so utterly stupid, then people wonder why the queue is empty and nobody want to do their keys, everyone do not want to throw away their time but they still do cause it is a queuing simulator instead of wasting 40min of your life doing a key to get to a key you want, you stay 40min queueing, I know they might apply what I said above, but I don't get why they are taking so much time to do so

[fathom oasis]

are you actually asking something or just ranting

[nova bane]

I think both, maybe mythic plus is played in a way I ignored and there are lot of keys

Do people play only in guilds and communities ?

[plush tendon]

you make friends

thats how

[fathom oasis]

people network

[jagged pier]

if u wanna push dont pug

[plush tendon]

you can certainly pug, but if you have a good run instead of saying GG, maybe add one of the people you played with you thought was good to your friends list

but people are 100% choosing friends/guildies/friend of friends over randos in LFG

[nova bane]

Well I certainly had good players and never thought of adding them, but it's kinda sad in a way
I hope Blizzard change the whole structure of how Mythic + is queueing is, the game is awesome but the management is so bad
You shouldn't make friends because you can't find keys you should make friends because you find these humans cool or like them

Also guilds seem like an investment but yeah I guess that in the current state of the game, the best way is to create a network of good/cool player you meet in keys

[plush tendon]

its a MMO

[fathom oasis]

they shouldn't make an mmo social?

[plush tendon]

this aint league solo que

its always been, since the game started, about making connections

[fathom oasis]

it's like complaining you can't properly pug mythic raid

[nova bane]

But what I'm saying is that this isn't healthy social
This is toxic, here you are trying to make friends because you can't find keys or you can't play the game, not because you genuinely enjoy the friend

[plush tendon]

is the solution then to just have M+ solo que?

because to me, the current system is exactly how it should be

[nova bane]

I think the solution is to implement this

this way people will love to play and try their keys

[jagged pier]

what u want is a resi key higher than your current achievement

which makes 0 sense

[nova bane]

no, just 1 dungeon that you try

[plush tendon]

resil has been around for one season mydude

[jagged pier]

but it cant be depleted

so its resi

[plush tendon]

homie doesnt remember doing HW at all

lmao

its part of pushing

[nova bane]

Haha I guess it was 10 times worse before, hence me saying it is going to be improved and they are on the right way

but it is so slow

[hearty cipher]

"state of the game" you are playing content that 0.1% of the player base completes, then complain about finding no one to play with

time to network with people

skip the group finder

[plush tendon]

agreed

me and the people I play with are all sitting on 17s

which we wont run until we get to game this weekend

so much better then trying to just use your key

or I have people in my guild saving keys for people who need a certain dungeon

[tribal wharf]

i have a take on the resilient key thing, i feel like it should be like, if you are doing +8s and you have a +8 in your bags and you decide to run it and then you +3chest it with it gives more than 5 IO, the key becomes resilient again

max of 1 charge

or, have to run 2 keys in a row with 2 chest and then it triggers

[bleak scaffold]

Resilient is so at least you don't fall down undefinitely. We are humans, we make mistakes, imagine you make a RUN and fail, key goes down, then another memeber of the group make a mistake, down again etc..

[plush tendon]

I dont have to imagine, Ive done that before

turned a 30 Atal into a 25 real fucking quick XD

[nova bane]

Well I believe that M+ is by far the most stimulating part of the game, I wonder what other content there is ?
I guess raiding is one of them
Maybe rp ?
Idk what there is beside these
I'm surprised that doing +16s/17s is part of 0,1% of the player base, it's not like I play a lot at all and I started wow retail in season 1

[bleak scaffold]

It was for Orion 😉

[plush tendon]

back in DF

there are lots of ways to play wow, and high end M+ is one of the smallest communities of the bunch

[bleak scaffold]

It might be difficult to imagine, but some people aren't even running keys ...

[plush tendon]

collectors, achievements hunters

alt players

raiders

RPers

[jagged pier]

most ppl

[plush tendon]

heck, some people just log on for dem delves

[tribal wharf]

medium or high key atal dazar sucks

[bleak scaffold]

Sorry bad english, most people and not some indeed 🙂

[plush tendon]

the vast majority

heck, the vast majority doesnt even step into a 2

[jagged pier]

there are more ppl not running m+ and raiding than m+ and raiding

remeber all the stats io shows u that chars not even players

u have 3-4 alts doing keys

u are 3-4 data points yourself

[plush tendon]

the only real solution is to join a guild, make some friends, do some keys

pug a little, make more friends

and then you are set up for IO success

[hearty cipher]

At this point, don't want to be rude, I'm not even sure what you are saying anymore. People stop at 10s because thats the largest reward you can play for, only a tiny % of the playerbase enters Mythic+ and an even smaller % player base completels more than 10-12s

[plush tendon]

trying to go it alone in LFG is legit a waste of time

[hearty cipher]

WoW is not a hard game if you put some time into it

there is 1000000x harder games to get good at

[plush tendon]

eh, high end mythic plus is quite hard

but very fun

when you do a dungeon perfect with the bois

[nova bane]

Okay I did not know that really

[plush tendon]

its a great feeling

[hearty cipher]

its relatively easy compared to other games

[plush tendon]

I dont compare other games

[hearty cipher]

yea thats fair

[plush tendon]

high end M+ is hard, is it harder then high idk, EU4? no clue

seems preference based

[steep pivot]

i think i got low versa.... im not online rn but i belive ive got like 25k haste then crit, then like 8k maestry and then like 4k versa

[tribal wharf]

wow is a vertical shmup fight me

also doom

[jagged pier]

vers dont matter

[steep pivot]

then why do when i open raider io i see top protections with haste>vers? i mean i want to push but not like the tippity top xD

[tribal wharf]

like seriously, its all about forwards progression, timings, damage windows, avoiding shit, no stopping allowed

and then you come across some crazy boss that fires 20 missiles and 1 hits you

[plush tendon]

vers isnt bad, but there isnt a number of vers to hit

[bleak scaffold]

@nova bane you can go on wowhead, there are some community discords, regional and others, maybe you can find a guild their, there is a recruitment/search channels

[tribal wharf]

you die, you lose basically all of your power ups and have to regain them

[jagged pier]

u cant get to any value of vers where it actually does a signifigant amount of DR

its preference

[plush tendon]

yea, you basically deciding haste/crit or haste/vers

[jagged pier]

tops players like it because they still think its BFA S4

every season

[plush tendon]

but I go for a nice collection of mostly haste, even parts crit/vers, and mastery my lowest

[jagged pier]

like they dont know everything, (believe this is for paladin btw)

[plush tendon]

tends to work out fine for me

[jagged pier]

like there isnt a magical number of anything that will do anything for you

[plush tendon]

broooo, I have way too much mastery on my paladin

ya boi needs more crit

for dat damage

[jagged pier]

like kira has 19% vers thats less than 10% DR

[plush tendon]

[hearty cipher]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/70-of-all-m-runs-are-already-10-or-higher-in-season-3-week-4/

This is from a week ago, scroll down there is a chart on completed Mythic+ keys, you can see that the participation % drops to 0.64% on a +16

[dense cradle]

i find wow players just want something to blame besides themselves

[hearty cipher]

there is just a tiny group of people completing that content

[dense cradle]

and stats are an easy scapegoat

[jagged pier]

would he get more going more crit and mastery, maybe (but its less consistent)

and they like consistency at those levels

anyway the guy said he didnt want to push tippy top so in that case

your stats really dont matter

and u should bother asking the question

[jagged pier]

corrct

[plush tendon]

hey man... I have 17% vers

but I also have 30% crit

[steep pivot]

i mean 10% is something

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

this is the first season ive had more than 4% vers since like SL

[plush tendon]

we have a lot of stats in general

my haste is low though

only 21k

[jagged pier]

but 10% isnt saving anyone from anything

[plush tendon]

but I have like 16500 crit

[round pendant]

noooo

[plush tendon]

and 13500 vers

[round pendant]

I missed the argument

[bleak scaffold]

bouuuh Augusto, so sloooow 😉

[plush tendon]

I get by with haste flask I guess

[dense cradle]

10% vers is 10% more tome damage

[jagged pier]

and thats 10% on everything where u can parry something with crit and suddenly uve now stopped more damage than that vers would have in one go

[plush tendon]

im using a crit/vers neck

[jagged pier]

dey dont run tome at tippy top

[plush tendon]

settings and gems are too goddamn expensive

to make a new one

[jagged pier]

same

[plush tendon]

until I get myth track neck

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

or craft

[dense cradle]

do they run double tank

at the top

[bleak scaffold]

Same i'm not swapping all the time just because i will get like .5% more dmg ...

[jagged pier]

nah most are antenna and ire

[plush tendon]

yea...but I also have both necks from Taz

Haste/crit and haste/vers

[jagged pier]

when really should be ire and like pace or somthing

[plush tendon]

Im just not spending the 10k to gem it

[dense cradle]

lmao someone cooked the gem market

and its never recovered

[plush tendon]

think RL economy is fucked

the wow economy is fucked more

[round pendant]

You have to get a premade and accept you'll have to do homework keys

[jagged pier]

ive had to go vers enchant on wep, because it was so far ahead of the rest

[steep pivot]

im wearing this... decent dmg tho

[plush tendon]

I just use the prim stat one

[bleak scaffold]

I didn't loot tome yet, and would say I prefer not too so I have a good excuse not to use it :x

[plush tendon]

I cant be bothered anymore

[round pendant]

imo if I complete a key that's higher than the key in my inventory I should be able to get a new one at that level +1

[jagged pier]

i follow the robit

[plush tendon]

the Augusto take.... tome is so fucking overrated

[bleak scaffold]

It is very good trinket but managing it is a bit of pain, i'm not old old but a tiny bit, i like it when my trinket does the job lol

[round pendant]

basically everyone should get the same key level as the owner of the key just got

[plush tendon]

screw that trinket

[round pendant]

It's so cringe how I bricked my 13 before I got resi 13s and now I have to run a 12 this week

[plush tendon]

me and all the homies hate it

[jagged pier]

in keys sure

[bleak scaffold]

It is good ! just, it's like antenna, if you miss the switch then the benefit of it going wayyyyyyyyyy down

[plush tendon]

Im a pacemaker+brand enjoyer

[bleak scaffold]

Already have to run after the ninja aggro ...

[jagged pier]

i mean it also isnt that hot as its sims were bugged

[plush tendon]

at least until turbo when I can buy netherprisim

[solid sun]

I wish I could get myth brand

[plush tendon]

[jagged pier]

pacemaker is better im 99% sure even at 0 % miss chance

[plush tendon]

oh, and Idol

from halls

[dense cradle]

prism real?

[plush tendon]

thats a great trinket

[solid sun]

I use pacemaker and brand in keys. Tome and brand in raid

[bleak scaffold]

stop listing all the trinkets I didn't loot and been looking for lol

[dense cradle]

im just using brand antenna rn

[steep pivot]

i got lucky drooppin trinkets, i got arakara, prio book, soleah, some hero track delves too... champion brand

[bleak scaffold]

Looted pace 2 on my 2 first runs of flood over 7 ....

[plush tendon]

I want to at least try it

but the DPS in my group all cream about it

huge prim stat

[dense cradle]

Yeah its big on rogue and hunter

idk who else

[plush tendon]

frost dk, havoc, ret

[chilly brook]

No way

[dense cradle]

thought havoc preferred araz

[woeful badge]

Hi, anyone have any tips what spells i can remove from action bars to save some space? and does anyone have any good looking, simpel tank ui for blizzard own ui 😄

[plush tendon]

im not totally sure exactly what they want

[dense cradle]

i thought reaver wanted passives tbf

and felscarred an on use

[bleak scaffold]

You can remove rend, not sure why we even still have it ...

[steep pivot]

remove slam and whrilwind

[woeful badge]

doesnt have either one or rend 😄

[dense cradle]

the fun prism cheese is you can leave the instance before key starts

and have an 18 stack first pack

[bleak scaffold]

You can try remove SS/SB/IP but you might need those from time to time 😉 (it's joke obviously)

[woeful badge]

what is even Ignore Pain? Kappa

[deft mortar]

love it when you do the baseline raider io route and some dps is like "wtf route"

[plush tendon]

DPS legit dont know whats going on in dungeons

I just follow my rules for keys and it turns out fine

[solid sun]

I never look at the raider.io routes. I also don’t comment on routes from other people either

[bleak scaffold]

Some do ! but if they are playing DPS there role at that moment is to follow and not guide ..

[deft mortar]

lmao healer died to unstable core

[steep pivot]

now that im tanking i do notice ppl askin and tryin to understand the route ^^

[deft mortar]

DH died to arcane frontal

[steep pivot]

came from arms

[plush tendon]

oh, this a eco

curious what your route is

[deft mortar]

healer came back up, and died to unstable core again

[plush tendon]

Ive edited mine so much

[deft mortar]

(Shaman)

[deft mortar]

https://keystone.guru/route/eco-dome-al-dani/kicGeAF/pug-friendly-raiderios-weekly-route/2

[woeful badge]

Anyone have a clean blizzard ui for tanks? 🙂

[bleak scaffold]

Right, dying of the f*ing blue/violet area on the ground, even when you don't know the actual trash mechanic, you should assume you have to stay the f out

[deft mortar]

It seems all 4 of them died to essentially avoidable mechanics there

[coarse bay]

I havent looked at guru this season but last season guru recommended routes were insanely bad

[deft mortar]

hence the 1 wipe that killed 5 mins on our time

we finished tho

[bleak scaffold]

For ui i'm not the right guy, my icon are too big not enough keybinds and so on, but i'm managing a bit :x

[deft mortar]

just not timed

[plush tendon]

is this for like a weekly 12?

[coarse bay]

I remember doing alt vaults and the priory double knight pull the recommend is insane

[plush tendon]

cause ima make some suggestions

[bleak scaffold]

Looks at videos if you see something that you like or go check in the ui channel

[deft mortar]

nah did a 14

[plush tendon]

ok, let me send you something that should work better

also, are you aware that you can avoid gloombites?

from the creepers

[deft mortar]

The little flying buggers?

Oh the ground tunneling whatevers

I don't feel them at all

[bleak scaffold]

Usually taking raider io pug routes as base and then i'm adjusting to my own

[deft mortar]

I am using meatwall build

[bleak scaffold]

meatwall ?

[plush tendon]

ok, key too low to feel gloombitesthen

they hurt

a lot

you cna make some edits to your liking

[deft mortar]

I have 30M base hp and 35% vers

[coarse bay]

Much better route

[bleak scaffold]

Riiiight

[plush tendon]

for pull 8, you do first 3 at start and pull the second 2 later

[frosty mango]

This doesn’t really make sense to me

[plush tendon]

and for pull 14, you can put some of those mobs onto pull 13

your choice

[bleak scaffold]

I don't see why except for the fun of having 30M ...

[steep pivot]

ye, my eco route is close to that but i separece inicial pool on 2 pools... and i grab some guys on the midway, skippin most of last section part... only doind 2 last packs to rp boss

[deft mortar]

exactly

[plush tendon]

people sometimes have a hard tim seeing the creeper tunnels on the last boss, but inky black is really good

at that part

[deft mortar]

I mean what bricked the key was a wipe on Pull 5

And its the exact same pull

[plush tendon]

you can break up pull 5

[deft mortar]

Healer died twice to the purple shit (after reincarnate)

[bleak scaffold]

I played vanilla, when being a F*ing high HP tank was not 10 000 HP 😄 so just the number on it's is already crazy ! I'm just over 23M and finds this hilarious

[deft mortar]

so did 2 dps

[plush tendon]

dont pull the last 3 mobs

[bleak scaffold]

so 30M 😄

[deft mortar]

and DH got hit by arcane flash

[plush tendon]

and chain them in later

after caster and sent die

[steep pivot]

dammn i got like 24m hp

doing the execute build

[deft mortar]

They can still die to purple shield xd

shit*

[plush tendon]

this is my route when I play with te bois

[steep pivot]

but i only do 12s... i need to get gear to start pushing

[plush tendon]

[bleak scaffold]

Maybe they reduced the graphic details and don't see those

[deft mortar]

wym

it sure as hell aint optimal

but its funny

got like a 2nd dstance from Vers

[coarse bay]

Them dying to that pull isnt a route problem at all, but imo still more efficient routes

[steep pivot]

i notice i do decent st dmg, so im runnin 2 aoe trinkets

[plush tendon]

pull 5 is a bit sketch, but just break itapart

timer aint a issue in Eco on a 14

[steep pivot]

i mean, dps that i play with arnt good

[bleak scaffold]

That's not what I said, I meant that if they take the big bright thing on the ground, maybe it's because they don't see it. Route is fine

Anyway, as long as you get 100% and time, route is fine 😄

[coarse bay]

Ya ive never had to split it, but just gotta be able to judge the group and adjust on the fly

[deft mortar]

I rly like that pulling some packs into the 2nd boss tho

that is so good

I will do that

[plush tendon]

Eco also follows the rule

[deft mortar]

lovely

[plush tendon]

only 2 casters at any time

no more then that

[deft mortar]

interrupts were great

[coarse bay]

I almost always have a trash pack into boss, just gotta time it cause ive had ppl get overwhelmed in intermission and fall over

[deft mortar]

the decath recap shows 8M hits from the purple shits that killed em xd

[deft mortar]

love it, esp with BL

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier Pacemaker at 714 is 3563 crit for 30s
Antenna is 5678 crit for 10s with a 2.5 ppm

[deft mortar]

I pull the last 2 packs into the boss in Priory with BL

and AOE interruot the 2 priests

makes me rejoice

[chilly brook]

I just don't think the math maths for pacemaker being better even if you're not missing orbs

[coarse bay]

Ya ill pull a pack in on pull, tag one around end of intermission, and depending on how the routing in the room went ill grab another later

[deft mortar]

love it

that will defo improve my Echo runs

[coarse bay]

That room is all about tracking group cds

[deft mortar]

the worst thing I ever did out of desparation was pulling the 2 big guys in Overflood to the last boss with BL

lmao

[plush tendon]

spicey

we like we like

[deft mortar]

cursed asf

[coarse bay]

Thats insane lmao

[plush tendon]

[bleak scaffold]

balsy

"i" did it once, ended ... well as you can imagine 😄

[plush tendon]

flood is actually really hard to time

place needs a extra min or two on the timer

[bleak scaffold]

A DPS wanted to go faster, pulled the boss in

[frosty mango]

Timing flood imo a lot more about route and kicks/staying alive

The timer is very tight, deaths will cost you

[plush tendon]

this is my route

[bleak scaffold]

"ho i'm dead, what killed me ?"

[plush tendon]

cant go slow either

[bleak scaffold]

ho that's nothing just the big blades on the ground .......

[plush tendon]

these are some pretty large pulls

[coarse bay]

Lots of crabs

[deft mortar]

On pull 2, I never take the upstairs guys

And somehow always have OK %

[plush tendon]

you must pull something else

I like crabs

[deft mortar]

OHH cuz I bridge the pack 3 into the other one next to it

[plush tendon]

.60% each

[coarse bay]

Do u grab the hyenas and loaderbots by big momma?

[coarse bay]

Double architect?

[plush tendon]

I dont pull those loaderbots

onto the blood mage

[deft mortar]

yeah

[coarse bay]

No i was talking to other guy

[plush tendon]

[deft mortar]

I also pull all the goblins in the water as a 3rd pull after the 2nd pull

[bleak scaffold]

You do Mamma's in second not first.

[deft mortar]

which is probably less time efficient than urs

but very lazy and nice

[coarse bay]

You really dont have to optimize flood that much until higher keys, not with current damage

[deft mortar]

I also often chain 11 after a while to the first 4 mobs of 12

once the casters dead (often they get targetted)

[bleak scaffold]

Just curious @plush tendon , have you tried going Mama 1st ? seems more optimize on movements but might be an impression

[plush tendon]

we want lust on big momma

makes more sense to lust on first pull and get second on big momma

[deft mortar]

but then no BL for Mama?

[bleak scaffold]

ho yes ! you get BL on first big pack, then go the duo and get BL back on mama !

[deft mortar]

unless you go right

and somehow sneak

idk

[plush tendon]

I pull a lot of extra shit on her to

[bleak scaffold]

I see, thank you 🙂

[plush tendon]

its a 12 mob pull plus boss

[coarse bay]

There were chinese routes that went left last season but at this point its common to just do momma 2nd

[deft mortar]

as a 1st pull? lowkey based

[plush tendon]

no, on big momma

[bleak scaffold]

you get trashs when she's stunned ?

[plush tendon]

she has her 4 little adds plus 8 mobs I bring in

no, on rip

I dont care if shes stunned

we lust the start of it

[bleak scaffold]

At least you bash through the adds quickly initially!

[plush tendon]

yea, thats the idea

cleave off the boss

get some good %

at the same time

[bleak scaffold]

So you go get the 4pack that is on the low end of the image, then go fetch the 2 2pack at the top and finally mama ?

[frosty mango]

Flood can be impacted a lot by adjusting your route dynamically

[plush tendon]

[frosty mango]

Ie you get to big momma and you can either go left and kill more trash. Or do it after boss

And you choose based on cds and lust timer

[bleak scaffold]

This frog seems angry ? was it a yes a no or a god damn it was a secret ? :x

[plush tendon]

it was nod yes

[plush tendon]

what do you mean?

a little confused by what your getting at

[frosty mango]

When you’re heading to big momma, you’re at the boss, lust is not back up

It is not a good play to pull the boss

[plush tendon]

oh, thats not a issue I have xD

[frosty mango]

Instead you’d grab the next trash pack then go back to the boss with cds and lust

[plush tendon]

ok I understand now

[frosty mango]

Because that boss will add an extra phase w/o those and you’d lose almost 2 minutes

[plush tendon]

yea, doing this on a 17, lust should be back up

[frosty mango]

Mine wasn’t :/

[plush tendon]

I dont think we clear up to big momma in less then 10 min

😮

[frosty mango]

On 16 last night we had a min left

[plush tendon]

ok, this was last reset

but it was close

on my first 16

[frosty mango]

I was running boomy/fdk/dh

So trash was not exactly alive long

[plush tendon]

did you end up going to the bloodmage then?

what did you pull while you waited?

[frosty mango]

No I pulled the spinny dudes and guys on the lower left platform there

Usually do that before the boss

[plush tendon]

ths?

[frosty mango]

Yes plus the 4 you have with boss and the 2 more guys there next to them

I pull the pat on the stairs with the boss

[plush tendon]

oh, the snippers

[fathom oasis]

how do you manage to get engis from 10 into boss?

have rangeds kick harpoons?

[plush tendon]

I walk em in during RP

with the other dps

while healer does the RP

[fathom oasis]

it feels like they move sooo slow x_x

[plush tendon]

they do

[frosty mango]

So does the rp

[plush tendon]

the only dangerous thing is harpoons

onto a bomb

XD

[plush tendon]

I guess my issue with that... is what do you remove from the route?

[frosty mango]

The big guy and 2 casters heading to last boss

With soothe or meld

[plush tendon]

Ill have to see if im in that position

we should be attempting some keys this weekend

ideally, id just do what i planned

[fathom oasis]

trying to avoid 13 would be the dream, no?

[plush tendon]

its hard to avoid pull 13

there is some meld tech for it

[fathom oasis]

need meld ye

[plush tendon]

but people need to be on the same page

and it can fuck up easily

[plush tendon]

well, i use meld pot

Im a human war

[fathom oasis]

i don't exactly know how it works, but i've watched a few people using that tech

[plush tendon]

I havnt practied it yet

[fathom oasis]

yeah, im a big cow

[plush tendon]

but understanding is that group stands to the right side, tanks pulls them away on the left, group runs by, tank leaps, meld pots, gg

[fathom oasis]

that pull is so awkward, huge damage taken, lots of movement, few targets for prio damage...

[plush tendon]

I chain from the previous pull

once the big boi there dies and the casters

we go next

I try to do that in every dungeon

once scary mob and casters are dead, we go next

[fathom oasis]

but the previous mobs dont play nice either, lots of teleporters and casters

[plush tendon]

the teleports people just need to do dodge (I play with people so there is expectation of skill)

[fathom oasis]

i feel like floodgate could use a mob redistribution on that last zone

[plush tendon]

a extra min or two would be nice

and maybe nerf the big boy damage

make em playable

[fathom oasis]

if they put a big pull next to boss so you could funnel and not have to use meld strats, that alone would help a lot i think

"forcing you" into grabbing 2 of the most damage heavy mobs, right before the boss that starts with heavy damage as well feels so awkward

[polar wedge]

people pulling the whole map because you don't do exactly the route they know in dung, I'm losing my mind

[fathom oasis]

i share route before every run

if they disagree, they are free to express their thoughts before the key goes in

worst case i just leave

once key goes in, the route is set in stone

[jagged pier]

I simmed them, antenna is slightly ahead if, u add the 20% average moss chance, they are basically the same like 7k difference

[chilly brook]

Idk

a little over half a percent is still good

[chilly brook]

I also think people massively overstate how common missing orbs is

[jagged pier]

its not over stated, i got it from smarter ppl than me that looked at logs and got the average from that in the first few weeks

[bleak scaffold]

We have more usefull things to do than run after orbs, plus we might just not seem them with the mobs and visual effects in M+

[chilly brook]

you do know they come to you yes?

[bleak scaffold]

They do, but they are present only a certain amount of time

and if you move they follow until they disappears

[chilly brook]

unless you're constantly moving away from them you don't have to "chase them"

it's ~20s

of orb time

[bleak scaffold]

well there is quite some trashs that need you to move, not far, still move to not have them on your back :/

I didn't check my logs personnaly on this, I'm just trusting the ones who did :x

[chilly brook]

Idk outside of specific fights

doesn't seem difficult to not drop them

[bleak scaffold]

side note: I don't remember which one is the orb and which one is the buff, the feather icon should be the orb, since it's starting before, but on the second log you'd have more buffs than orbs which is not right :x

Again I just didn't check my logs on this, maybe I catch almost all of them as you see here

[chilly brook]

you can stack the orb spawn buff

[bleak scaffold]

Which icon is the orb pop ?

[chilly brook]

orb spawn is feather

the blue is collecting the orbs

[bleak scaffold]

ok, so how come on second log you have more buffs than orbs ?

you can stack of course, but you can't have more buffs than orbs ..

Just seems to be an anomaly

[chilly brook]

the only fight so far where I've dropped any significant amount of orbs is Forgeweaver but that's for obvious reasons

[solid sun]

I just don’t want an antenna. That’s how “they” find you

[bleak scaffold]

I'll craft you a foil head Rhino, that'll protect you

[solid sun]

Ty

[bleak scaffold]

• you get a free slot to put the antenna trinket on so it's even better as the antenna is on your head 😄

[blazing ridge]

Mhm just noticing why does TB/TC crit way less then other casts?

[cerulean spindle]

how are you guys simming? I don't see it in a pin anywhere. 7-8 patchwork for a minute or so?

[bleak scaffold]

Currently I run Myth Ara and Pace. Antenna only on champ but 704 like my hero Pace, so If I don't get a better trinket on the vault (I was on business trip didn't opened it yet :x) i'll retry Antenna and check logs to see by myself 🙂

[pallid olive]

Did Blizzard adjust dungeon scoring? I logged out yesterday like 40 IO short of 3k and logged in just now and got the achievement upon login.

[lime spruce]

Do you guys use any addons or scripts to change the range that nameplates show up on, I feel like my screen gets cluttered in dungeons like Floodgate (the jail in BFA was the worst)

[lusty grotto]

👀

[lusty grotto]

5 mins and 3 mins are ok for ST
1.5 min on 5 target patchwerk for aoe

[round pendant]

Your character kinda looks like metro

[dusky canopy]

He’s a G

[indigo hawk]

You can do this on the addon Nameplate

[lime spruce]

oh hell yeah boys part of the 2.8k club now and all I had to do was literally nothing

[lime spruce]

Yeah they just did

[lunar flower]

umm, i just got +40 rating for timing a key i already had timed

how the hell

[undone beacon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-score-for-all-keys-12-and-above-due-to-bug-fix-378563

[lunar flower]

gotcha

[dusk oak]

if my leatrixplus skipped the campaign skip on accident do i need to the chapters to get the cloak?

[lusty grotto]

no

go to the guy that upgrades it and ask him for a replacement

you have to do that with every skip anyway

[undone beacon]

ask him nicely tho or he'll get angry and rip up ur cloak and you'll have to craft one like a nub

[lusty grotto]

then you didnt complete all the cloak upgrades

or phase diving

on your main

[dusk oak]

is there anything past 730?

[lusty grotto]

or your leatrix didnt really skip at all

[undone beacon]

wait, it skipped the campaign skip?

[dusk oak]

yes

[lusty grotto]

go to the portal to dorn, if the guy is standing on the podium talk to him

[undone beacon]

go talk to Om'talad where you first zone in

And talk to him

[lusty grotto]

yup

[round pendant]

pain

[dusk oak]

the oasis questline?

[round pendant]

I accidentally opened my weekly thing as dps

[dusk oak]

surely it isnt the oasis quests

thats the only thing he had to say

the quest

[lusty grotto]

no

go to the entrance of the zone

guy in podium > talk

[round pendant]

I'm so mad

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BRAND

[orchid narwhal]

Hello i am here with a question

I am progging mythic for the first time on my prot warrior, why do some people take champion's spear and some do not, it seems very 50/50

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-protection/plexus-sentinel

What I am referencing

[lusty grotto]

either is fine

spear technically is more dps

slightly

[orchid narwhal]

oki

[lusty grotto]

ok then i dont know

[orchid narwhal]

You don't have to do the questline

[lusty grotto]

go back to dorn and start the quest

[orchid narwhal]

Fly to the reshi wraps guy, he;'ll give you it

You don't have to pick up any quest or anything

[lusty grotto]

no he already tried that

[orchid narwhal]

Wack

[dusk oak]

i. was. just. there :(

[lusty grotto]

did you do the phase diving quest

[dusk oak]

on main?

[lusty grotto]

NOT the oasis

[dusk oak]

this one?

[lusty grotto]

the guys that give you the cloak gives you a phase diving tutorial

you have to complete it

on your main yes

not on your alt

the one that got the cloak fully upped

to 730

that has to be it yes

purple quest = important

[orchid narwhal]

Is there any thinking I need to do for plexus sentinel cooldowns, just send when send right

[lusty grotto]

you just use them on tank bomb

and/or if you need to cross wall without the wraps for some reason

just look at the Sense spreadsheet

[undone beacon]

yeah you have to do the whole phase diving intro on your main to get the skip

[dusk oak]

it worked! tysm

[orchid narwhal]

Am i just choosing between champion's spear and thunderous roar

Wouldnt I just take champion's spear if its more dmg

[lusty grotto]

its not by a lot

[orchid narwhal]

marginal?

[lusty grotto]

just play troar its easier

[orchid narwhal]

heard

[strong vine]

fresh warrior here, give me the tldr what slots am i putting my crafteds

[lusty grotto]

here you go #protection message

unless you have access to myth tracks of the first two

that is gilded crafted btw

[quiet monolith]

Hey, looking for help on saladbar heroic. When I taunt off my other tank after maw, to eat the breath, he just does not turn to me. Am I timing it wrong ? I taunt when dbm says to taunt but the dragon just doesn't move. If I have aoe taunt available and smash it after in panic sometimes it does make the dragon turn. Is this something others have dealt with ?

[lusty grotto]

yes you are timing it wrong

[quiet monolith]

So don't taunt on dbm announce ? How do I tell when the proper timing is ?

[lusty grotto]

use liquid or northen sky auras

most of us dont even use DBM

bigwigs and those

i suppose any DBM user can probably give you feedback if the taunt thing is not properly timed or something

[quiet monolith]

Alright thanks , ill try a different WA pack

[round pendant]

what's the eco-dome time limit again

[lusty grotto]

31min

[warm plinth]

31

Fuuuuu

[outer folio]

Dude rages & bricks dungeons, he's a war from rag

[lusty grotto]

dont do that

delete it

[warm plinth]

Bruh

[lusty grotto]

we dont really condone doxing here

[warm plinth]

This is a class discord, not a bitch about your random pug discord

[lusty grotto]

i get that you wanna warn people but

we dont wanna go down that route

[outer folio]

Just posting a flag on a guy to help others avoid ragers

[lusty grotto]

delete it

[outer folio]

There a spot I can put this in?

[lusty grotto]

no

[dim token]

Chances are none cares and we won't ever meet that guy

[warm plinth]

You're going to prevent literally 0 people from grouping with him

[outer folio]

Point taken

A rag player, makes sense though

[lusty grotto]

oh boy here we go again

[dim token]

I'm building my own avoid just tho

[warm plinth]

DEEP FUCKING SIGH

[outer folio]

I have mine own too lol

[lusty grotto]

guys

stop

blacklists are NOT to be shared

unless you want a situation where

a rager PUTS YOU ON THE LIST

and then youre fucked

[outer folio]

I'll share it with others if they want it

[lusty grotto]

do you understand how easy it is for something like that to be used against anyone?

for any reason

[outer folio]

But If you dont want it on here, that's fine.

[outer folio]

Yes, but this is the world we live in.

[lusty grotto]

does what im saying make sense to you both?

no

its not

[warm plinth]

What

The fuck

[outer folio]

Sadly it is

[warm plinth]

does that mean

[lusty grotto]

no

its not

[outer folio]

Yes it is lol

[lusty grotto]

thats the world YOU live in

its yours

[outer folio]

ooook

sure

[lusty grotto]

and yours alone

[outer folio]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

dont do things that can be done against you

[outer folio]

Look, when enough people make these lists, & don't invite them to our own discords, that's okay. It's the right the people have.

[lusty grotto]

be a better prson

[outer folio]

If someone doesn't want me for a made up reason, that's okay too.

[lusty grotto]

no its not okay

[outer folio]

I'm the better person AND someone who won't tolerate bullies or trolls.

[lusty grotto]

youre justifying something that just shouldnt happen

[outer folio]

Being the better perrson doesn't mean to let people walk over you.

[lusty grotto]

no being a better person means you move on

[strong vine]

thanks! what embelishment are we putting on the sword and shield?

[warm plinth]

Nothing on the sword, lining on shield

[outer folio]

I'm explaining how the world worlks. Everyone is welcomed until they cross lines. That's the way the world works.

[lusty grotto]

youre not explaining anything

youre being extremely broad

[outer folio]

I gave a clear example of the concept.

[lusty grotto]

and truthfully we are adults here, we know how it works

[outer folio]

What would you like clarification on?

[warm plinth]

I'd like clarification on why you're still here after proving you contribute nothing to this channel.

[lusty grotto]

theres a fucking reason Reddit and other social media does not allow doxing

which is the same reason i said

[outer folio]

I'm engaging in a conversation about someone else's opinion. You can check your attitude.

[lusty grotto]

that is a path that nobody wants to take

and there's absolutely no justification for it to happen

youre not law enforcement

especially of the internet or mmos in general

[strong vine]

lining?

[outer folio]

I think you are leaning over an edge too much. I mentioned a guy who raged & bricked a dungeon. and have receipts to prove his insanity. It's not that deep.

[lusty grotto]

we dont need the proof

[outer folio]

Not saying you do

[lusty grotto]

you shared it in a public channel

[warm plinth]

Nah, you deserve the attitude, 100%. You come in here whining and putting someone on blast for no reason and then shit on a server that does not deserve the hate it gets, which is also shit behavior.

[outer folio]

Just saying i have it

[warm plinth]

Dawnthread or duskthread, whichever sims better for you

[lusty grotto]

its fine to bitch about someone, we do it all the time here, we just dont name names or identify these people

[outer folio]

You think he doesn't deserve any negativity. If he didn't want that, then he should have been respectable & not a douche. You get what you give.

[lusty grotto]

so youre acting exactly like him?

[warm plinth]

Bro wants to talk about how the world works when he's talking about a video game, but then doesn't know how a discord server works.

[lusty grotto]

move on

[warm plinth]

Report him to Blizzard and move on if he did something reportable.

[outer folio]

Rag has always been known for trollers. It's a funny meme at this point but people do avoid those servers mostly. I have had good players from them too but the chances are lower than others.

[lusty grotto]

put him on your personal list and move on

[outer folio]

That was Nimchip

[warm plinth]

No, the chances are not lower than others

[outer folio]

Believe what you want

[outer folio]

How so?

[warm plinth]

You're being a douche lol.

[outer folio]

How so?

[lusty grotto]

you havent moved on

thats how

[warm plinth]

I'm sorry, are you new to this conversation or?

Did you just check in?

[outer folio]

You two are the ones double teaming me & talking about this still. Sooo maybe drop it & then I'll move on?

[lusty grotto]

yeah double teaming, that is it

[outer folio]

Sounds like you enjoy trying to gaslight people. I've tried to engage with you in good faith but you seemto enjoy this situationa bit too much.

[lusty grotto]

turns out, strangers can agree when something is wrong

[outer folio]

Well, if the shoe fits. lol

[lusty grotto]

no it doesnt

good lord

[outer folio]

And can be wrong about it too

[warm plinth]

You don't know what gaslighting means.

[outer folio]

Your name is in the dictionary

Look, let's just agree to drop it yea? We are not going to agree on the main subject at hand.

[orchid mural]

Pretty sure blacklists are a universal bad idea. use your personal ignore list and move on with your life. this guy is living rent free in your head for way to long. #support Nimchip

[warm plinth]

We told you how you were being shitty and now you're pretending like you don't know how you're being a douche.

[outer folio]

It's fine. You are entitlted to your opinion about me. I don't have to agree with you.

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

but the next time you post a nickname-server, we can @ Val'kyr real quick

[outer folio]

Eh, it depends. Blacklists are created to avoid people that you really don't want to be with. Ignore is fine, but the list is for you to warn others. There is a double edge on that but that's just how the world functions in certain areas. This is mostly pertained to discords though. He'll be on mine & serveral others. The class discord doesn't want it here I guess so that's onthem.

[outer folio]

I don't care

I don't respond well to threats.

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

<@&257983573498265600> have fun with this one

[outer folio]

Maybe, you can also just private message me? I should have private messaged at Mod so make sure I could have done that but I thought I was doing a service to help others. So it's all good.

<@&257983573498265600> Please help Nimchip chill

[lusty grotto]

i think you should look in the mirror, im pretty chill

[outer folio]

you can't stop can you?

[lusty grotto]

does it bother you?

[outer folio]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

is this a "i gotta put in the last word" thing?

grow up

[outer folio]

I mean, you are doing that so w/e

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto I need some extra mind power to manifest brand 🧠

My hunter got a weapon, but is using crafted sadly

[lusty grotto]

im just gonna do a key with Rag players and time it

[chilly brook]

wtf did I miss here?

[outer folio]

I already said to drop this issue because we wouldn't agree. You have got to have the last word & be bit negative/mean. You and Mastery. So just drop it, chill, stop talking about it, & let's move on.

All is good

[outer folio]

Just a bit of a clash of ideals. All in good faith.

[oblique garnet]

Why do you get upset if someone sucks in a videogame

[chilly brook]

I mean I get angy if someone sucks in my 15

But don’t care if they suck in LFR

[warm plinth]

Yeah but it's different when it's you

jkjk

[lime spruce]

I think sharing names to block is a great idea, @outer folio what is your main's name and server

[outer folio]

😂

[outer folio]

Come find me

[lime spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-bron-scared-im-scared-gif-9086856978205918508

[outer folio]

No need to be scared

[oblique garnet]

Brother you have played for 9 hours straight i think its time for you to touch grass

[chilly brook]

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be angy if someone is in group content that they shouldn’t be in/aren’t ready for

But that’s contextual and nuanced

[outer folio]

Computer has been on all day. Already went for a 5 mile walk, hit the gym, took care of my sister, & had lunch. What about you? Are we really going to start attacking people IF say I was on for 9 hour straight?

[chilly brook]

And we can’t have those things

[outer folio]

<@&257983573498265600> This, address this please. Suggestive & inappropriate.

[chilly brook]

Well this seems to be enough discord for now, I think it’s back to league

[warm plinth]

I think the unreasonable part is taking it beyond the momentary frustration. Like by all means, be upset because someone bricked your key. But then leave it behind.

[oblique garnet]

Its a videogame

Not life

Who cares

[chilly brook]

I have an addon to leave notes about people I play with tbh

Avoids frustration later on or rewards people who are dope

[outer folio]

It was about putting a tag on someone who screws with the community. I don't know about you but I don't brick other peoples dungeons & then say some insane & toxic things.

[lusty grotto]

i dont think any of that is what is in discussion Griff

[chilly brook]

But I’m not going to go exporting that and posting it in public discords

Cuz that’s just weird behavior

[lusty grotto]

right

[lime spruce]

yeah I'm already over this dude time for the block button

[chilly brook]

I’d be hard pressed to believe that if you did that that the motive wasn’t vengeful

[lusty grotto]

thats something i hadn't considered

[chilly brook]

Like I even think that the recruitment discord blacklisting is kinda cringe

[round pendant]

jesus eco dome is so easy

[lime spruce]

Okay it's easy but I cannot get the trash count right heading intot he final boss to save my freakin life

[unreal marlin]

how do i best deicde my stats for m+. is there a universally agreed way of simming prot?

[lime spruce]

the last leg is so weird to me and I can't put my finger on why

[outer folio]

If someone is out there destroying dungeons, people toxic to others, it would be a good idea. But you would need to show the mods proof. If you are doing nothing wrong & not raging in chat, you have nothing to worry about.

In any case, it's over & done with.

[oak ivy]

havent tanked any mythic raid bosses yet this season but one of ours is out tonight so i'm up for soul hunters. do i need to clench the cheeks or can I expect to be chilling

[round pendant]

do you want my route?

it's super ez

[lime spruce]

yeah dawg send it

[round pendant]

hold up I gotta remake it cause I cleared my browser cache oops

[lusty grotto]

haste + whatever sims best up until 27k haste rating.

ST: 1 target 3mins or 5 mins
AOE: 5 target patchwerk 1.5 min

[unreal marlin]

overall stat order etc is clear, speaking for high keys. i.e. mastery sims pretty high for me, but i guess its still bad cuase it has no unblockable dmg reduction value?

[lusty grotto]

its not bad

we dont avoid it

[unreal marlin]

would u gear mastery if sims tells u to?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[unreal marlin]

is the apl optimized for MDT sims?

[lusty grotto]

no

read what i replied to you

[wanton drum]

need gearing choice advice, myth track tier shoulder to replace hero track, or myth track tome of lights deovtion to replace hero ceaseless ire trinket?

[lusty grotto]

you never replace ceaseless ire

but you should pick myth tome regardless

and use it with

[wanton drum]

i have myth atenna as second

[lusty grotto]

myth antenna isnt better than tome in ST and prio damage

[round pendant]

wtf my count isn't showing properly on threechest

[lusty grotto]

and it will fall behind if you dont grab the orb consistently

but sure you can run it in keys over tome if your team has proper prio/funnel + good ST

[unreal marlin]

i did, sry just wanted to ask, cause sometimes in discord u get like "simple" answers. casue i.e. people who asked question dont evne know mdt sims

[lusty grotto]

our apl is not optimized for mdt sims

period

or dungeon slice

thats it

[unreal marlin]

and jsut to be sure, u would go after sim dps, and "ignore" defensive values. as context we talk about ~17 keys

[lusty grotto]

depends what youre simming

[round pendant]

okay threechest is just bugged for eco dome ig?

[unreal marlin]

craft stats mainly right now

[lusty grotto]

obviously shield and purely defensive trinkets are not going to result in anything

then yes i would go after sims

make sure you understand the haste part

[unreal marlin]

could u eloborate? so u would go till 27k regardless of sim?

[lusty grotto]

yes

haste is a defensive stat, sims stop caring about it at 20k

you need it for shield block cd

[round pendant]

okay it's not bugged I'm just stupid

[round pendant]

https://threechest.io?id=0ytlrefb4cth

Just did this on a +15

perfect count

[unreal marlin]

ok, in case of craft items thats easy to do, jsut sim with haste but overall its kinda hard, cause i can tell him to get X haste and then sim. askmrrobot could do that bakc in the days 😄

[lusty grotto]

no you dont go to X haste

[sinful copper]

damn tactician melee'd me for 7M in a 14 dawn. is that just normal?

[lusty grotto]

you go with ilvl > all

idk who youre talking about though

[unreal marlin]

well if u say i go for 27k haste, evne if sim tells me not to

[lusty grotto]

no

you dont go

you STOP at 27k

you do not chase specific numbers

i dont think youre understanding here

[unreal marlin]

ok at this point u probably think im dumb, thats fine. but u said u would go for more haste over 20k evne if sim tells u not to

so i cant really sim except in some special cases like craft gear, where i force him on haste