protection

[round pendant]

I want the casters tho for count D:

[lusty grotto]

so do them by their own

[round pendant]

this run the patrol timing was awkward

[lusty grotto]

or with the trio on the right

[round pendant]

so I did casters + that pack on the right side of 3

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[round pendant]

and then knight pack with leftover mobs

then mini + left footmen

[lusty grotto]

i do judgment lady with the lynxes

[round pendant]

yeah same

[solid sun]

I do judgement lady with the boss and the boss' helper

I'm jk

Tricked you ha haaaaaaa

I plan to do those three footmen with the mini boss and also do the judgment lady with the lynxes

I wouldn't ever do that other pack with the mini boss 'cause that seems spoopies

[round pendant]

I've grown to like right side

mini is just scary for healer

[round pendant]

yeah it is

realised I literally do not have to touch the caster packs at the bottom of the stairs

and just pull the rest of the fountain + shaynemail

much better for pugs

[fathom oasis]

i've only ever gone left

gotta learn to go right

[round pendant]

rate my route lads

pull 14 is my favourite pull in the game btw

I can just solo it basically

Why is my execute mouseover just not working anymore

that'll do it

[fathom oasis]

this is what i saved up from when it was shared here: https://threechest.io/?id=wfugpIqkMZi

i've 0 exp right side tho

but i do hate avoiding patrols after stairs

interestingly, only diff between those 2 routes is what you kill 2nd lieut with

2 sharpshooters vs 1 sharpshooter and 2 lynxes

guessing 0 lynxes is better

[round pendant]

shaynemail + lynxes is insane

imo

[lusty grotto]

its not

you take 0 damage if done right

[round pendant]

in s2 it used to absolutely destroy my groups

[fathom oasis]

do people dodge shaynemail bleed on high keys?

[round pendant]

they should

[lusty grotto]

lynxes werent nerfed until late s2

[fathom oasis]

they don't in my keys

but since it doesnt kill

it's just whatevs

[lusty grotto]

but even then dodging them was prevalent, at least in high keys

[fathom oasis]

are lynxes dodgeable as well?

[boreal heath]

Why not do half of 17 w/ 16 Nd the other w/ bosa

[lusty grotto]

hell i watched people pulling lynxes into Dailcry

in s2

even Sense groups did it

[fathom oasis]

16 with boss?

[round pendant]

ig I could try that

since funnels are mandatory

[fathom oasis]

that's insane speak

ah

[boreal heath]

Err 18

[lusty grotto]

they are dodgeable yes

[fathom oasis]

half a pull with mini, half with boss

[round pendant]

I know whatchu mean

[boreal heath]

Not 16

Or do it all with boss

[round pendant]

my sin rogues will love me

[fathom oasis]

it's crazy that pull 17 is more scary than 90% of the bosses

how can a miniboss slap so hard

[boreal heath]

It's the dot + rot

• casters

[fathom oasis]

where do you lust?

[round pendant]

1st pull, 2nd boss

[fathom oasis]

seen people lusting 8 but since you are doing only 2 pulls im guessing not

[round pendant]

it depends

we lust second pull in that room if the puggers we got are kinda sketchy with kicks

lmao

otherwise just the boss since it's a brick point for bad puggers too

[fathom oasis]

really?

[round pendant]

yeah people grief so hard on that thing

[fathom oasis]

feels so free if someone can cheese 5hitters

[round pendant]

this run we had paladin and rogue puggers

neither of them even bothered cheesing it

[fathom oasis]

no dk either i assume

[round pendant]

and sin rogue doing zdps and paladin just walking into a hammer and dying

almost bricked it lmao

[fathom oasis]

are people trying to come up with routes that allow that boss to be funneled in any way?

feels like one of the only boss there's nothing to funnel off of

haven't seen any so far

[round pendant]

I haven't seen anything like that

[boreal heath]

If you want funnel

You pull lynxes on to it

[fathom oasis]

gotta pull them from narnia then

[round pendant]

Pull the knight patrol

[boreal heath]

Grab em from the left

From first boss area

Do it during RP

[frosty mango]

Not worth imo

Too much movement for classes to really get high value from it plus all of the mobs you’d bring are either casters or cats and that would be omega high risk on that fight

Maybe some crazy people do it lol

[fathom oasis]

Yeah, makes sense

[dense lion]

Why pull 2 down at the fountain? That's a lot of downtime when you could fight Shayn up on the stairs and it's not like the lynx are so much more dangerous than an extra sharpshooter

[round pendant]

dunno, it's easy

I just have trauma from s2 of doing that on left side

[earnest moon]

Is there any good weak auras out there that’ll notify when a spell is able to be reflect ?

[boreal heath]

How has going right side been going for u in pugs?

Been avoiding it because kicks feel scary

[round pendant]

miserable in anything below 12

pretty chill in 12s and up

[minor lark]

Some of my guildies rave about this thing

Is it worth replace Mudborne for?

[round pendant]

it's an okay stat stick

mudborne is only really good on like

floodgate

[minor lark]

Mudborne was a good panic button while I was learning to tank better, but it just sits on my hotbar now

[violet folio]

Well hello my brothers! I would like your opinion on this ring that I dropped in the chest of the quest for the 4 dungeons. Here is what I already have and I was thinking of replacing the ring from Haste/poly. But I’m afraid of running out of poly after that, I should go get the Haste/poly necklace from Tazavesh.

excuse me if my english is not perfect

[exotic glade]

Hey all new to prot. Is battle stance rly worth it over defence stance in m+? maybe im undervaluing crit but 3% crit seems weak compared to 20% dr. I understand switching to bstance when u need all hands on deck for damage but thats a pretty niche scenario (esp for more casual players)

[warm plinth]

No, you sit in defensive stance. Highly doubt anyone is really stance dancing in relevant keys

[exotic glade]

Oh thats a relief to hear lol. I watched this guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sfHwj1TQ4 and it said to treat defensive stance as a defensive/only use as needed. And im like, i dont see how taking 20% more dmg is worth 3% crit, cuz you just end up dumping more rage into ignore pain to offset the damage taken lol

[warm plinth]

Well, it's more just that defensive stance is a minimal loss compared to previously when it had a damage reduction on it. Now you only miss 3% crit which is nothing relative to the defensive gain. IP doesn't really come into the reasoning.

[lusty grotto]

i dont know what guide that is, nor intend to watch it but that line of thinking was only correct during DF, not this expansion

[warm plinth]

It's Tactyk's guide specifically for 11.2 prot war

Though it's also for raid from the title so idk the context that he says that

[ember basin]

There’s been a bit of talk today about Priory lynxes. I gotta admit I don’t understand the mechanic. Is anyone willing to eli5?

Or post a link to where it’s explained?

[solid sun]

Hey Ghash

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-2d-animation-art-dessert-gif-25187338

Want some?

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/bVBco.gif

[obtuse egret]

So I now have a spare craft to make a tank item. Would it be better to make weapon with ascendance or a shield with linning until I can make the weapon?

[warm plinth]

What are you wanting an explanation for exactly?

[ember basin]

I’ve seen someone say you can avoid their leap

[warm plinth]

I'm assuming by the first part that you're not a tank main? In which case, I would recommend shield

[ember basin]

Or does it work to stack in melee so they don’t leap?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, pretty sure it's the exact same as the miniboss leap. They leap to x person, but they don't track that person, just their location at the time of the leap. So you just don't be at the location when they get there essentially

[round pendant]

don't you have to be far enough away or something

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if you're right on top of them you're not gonna be able to move in time because the distance is shorter

[round pendant]

yea

[obtuse egret]

I tank M+, but not raid. So my other crafts have all been for fury yeah

[ember basin]

So if I’m understanding correctly; they won’t target the tank for a leap. But the healer/ranged can keep moving and avoid it?

[obtuse egret]

ill go with shield then, thanks you

[warm plinth]

They will not target the tank, no. But in the case of the miniboss, her leap is aoe at the location so you also can't be near where she leaps or you get the bleed as well. The lynx leap is single target though.

[ember basin]

So this isn’t something I can manage for them as a tank. There’s no positioning or LOS shenanigans that I can do. It’s mostly up to them.

Alright I think I got it. Thanks guys. This channel is great.

[round pendant]

nah they just have to be aware they can dodge

and plan accordingly

[warm plinth]

You can also just avoid pulling the lynxes entirely, which is what a lot of folks do.

[exotic glade]

Another question, what role does Revenge play in holding threat? Do u need to use Revenge a lot to hold threat? Or is Revenge more just a rage dump?

[shrewd grove]

You only press Revenge if you have nothing better to hit

[warm plinth]

As Thane, you still use Revenge when SS/TC are on cooldown (it's the lowest priority spell), but primarily you'll hold threat due to thunder blast hitting like a truck.

[exotic glade]

Wait do i TC on CD? Taktiks said only TC when it procs SS

[warm plinth]

That being said, use your best judgment. If you're collecting a larger pull and you want to throw out a revenge on one of the packs as you gather because TC is on cooldown, then you should

wat

I'm not sure you understood him properly because TC always procs SS

well, always has the chance to anyway

[exotic glade]

sorry i meant when it procs TB

maybe i watched a different guide, triyng to find it now

or maybe i wasnt paying attention lol

[warm plinth]

You should be pressing TC on cooldown. If both SS and TC are up at the same time, you prioritize SS

Unless it's a tier set TB, then you prioritize that first

[exotic glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsBnCyFQjX8

It was this video, and i checked it again, he does say only use TC to apply rend

well that answers my questoin about using Revenge lol. if im supposed to be using TC in my normal rotation/even when its not procced. I was confused cuz i was like, i have no aoe ability in my rotation so am i supposed to use revenge for threat maintenance? Lol

[solid sun]

I’m glad you’re a good Judy

And not a bad one

[exotic glade]

well i was running dungeons in battle stance and not using TC when it was up unless it procced into TB so maybe i am bad

i was doing a lot of dmg tho...

[solid sun]

Have you perused the ol’ wowhead guide

Or the IV guide

[exotic glade]

i specifically found a video guide because I CANT READ

I THOUGHT WARRIOR WAS THE CLASS FOR PEOPLE WHO CANT READ

[solid sun]

Nah friend

We all have tome now

Learned how to read this expansion in fact

[lusty grotto]

yes

in game

but out of game

we read

we read good

[solid sun]

Some goodly reads happen

[lusty grotto]

this is wrong cause TC procs TB as well

you dont hold it

you need it for rage

natty TC up? yes you cast it

well due to tier i mean

actually nvm im wrong

i took the cant read thing too seriously

but its still a rage generator that you want to press

TB resets TC anyway so you dont need to hold it

and TC also applies lightning strikes

[drifting pewter]

How do we go about simmings stats for tanks? I'm wondering if I also craft my belt as haste/vers but wasn't sure

[late trellis]

What addon/weakaura do you guys use for threatmeters in raid?

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't need a threat meter in retail wow

Most nameplate addons have a color change when you lose aggro but that should be about all you need

[quaint rune]

Friends. I’m looking for advice. Is there a big difference in crit or vers, in keys like 14-15 maybe higher if my friends want to try

[warm plinth]

Not really. Offensively they are about the same unless you're skewed one way or the other. Crit requires less rating per % and gives parry, vers requires more rating per % and gives straight damage, and a LOT more rating per % for damage reduction

[quaint rune]

okay ill keep crit

[near wharf]

Hi, what are my best trinket options with what I have, I have a sacbrood, a sac of terror, a soulbinders, and a arcanocore. All hero

for M+

[warm plinth]

sacbrood and arcanocore probably out of those

[near wharf]

thats what i figured, I tried for antenna and brand this week but no dice

ty!

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

Ghash are you going to remix with us

Skyhold Gang

[warm plinth]

Thinking about taking the first week of it off work since expansion wont' be til after the new year

[solid sun]

oooo

[warm plinth]

still got a week left of pto and nothing to use it for

[lusty grotto]

do gear compare and sim 3 versions of the crafted item with the item picker (haste/crit, haste/vers, haste/mastery)

[warm plinth]

and I wasn't playing during the last remix (though tbf I would not have been very interested in mop, since that's not an expansion I cared for much)

[lusty grotto]

you have to add it three times with different stats

mop remix was fun

im just wondering what to play tbh

[warm plinth]

so do the classes play like they did in that expansion? Or do they play like now just with the borrowed power and shit from the other expansion?

[lusty grotto]

no they play like now

tww talents, and skills/spells

[warm plinth]

interesting

[elder thorn]

is there a way to fight the 3 casters at the first boss alone without them getting full health after a bit in HoA?

[warm plinth]

Yes, pull them before you kill all 3 shards

[elder thorn]

ahhhh thank you

[warm plinth]

They are getting full health because they get killed during the 1st boss RP but since you aggroed them, they respawn

[neon elk]

But in mop everyone was hella OP , runing at 200%ms oneshoting everything , from what i saw so far u can get similar results in legion as well , it kinda is closer to diablo thab wow endgame imo

[round pendant]

Yeah it's an odd experience

Perfect time to level some alts tho

[warm plinth]

I'd be more excited about that prospect if I didn't already have every spec at 70+ XD

Too bad you can't level 70 to 80 in remix

[neon elk]

It probably will be easier to level fresh toon there than to do 70-80 on retail ngl

[quasi lintel]

returning to prot warr after season 1, we still favoring battle stance?

[tame jasper]

Yesterday was s good day: Mythic pacemaker from vault, heroic soulhunter trinket from raid and heroic soulhunter boots from dungeon chest 🥳 (only plexus mythic weapon did not drop - again 🙁 )

[ionic fern]

There's no real difference anymore as the damage reduction was removed from defensive stance.

So you can sit in defensive stance pretty much always.

[serene steppe]

Do people pull the big Stoneborn mobs in Halls now or am I trolling if I include them in my route?

[warm plinth]

Interesting. Apparently hit a magic spot in the last room of Ara Kara that made the entire pull evade and everything just went and deleted my DPS

[pallid quiver]

by dps he means me, it deleted me

i can't believe he ate the shadowmeld pot i threw at him so i would die

[pallid quiver]

I don't think that they're worth it to pull too many, personally, but I'm not a WF or major high key pusher. At least around like 14/15-ish level, they're more fuss than they're worth when there's a lot of other things you can hit

[warm plinth]

Like your dk

[pallid quiver]

my DK would 100% be worth to pull; you could drop me in like two globals at best

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

Gargoyles or reavers?

[serene steppe]

the gargoyles

[pallid quiver]

i forgot the reavers are technically stoneborn, too

reavers are not a major problem for prot war, so they're not too bad to pull since it's generally a tank issue, but they kinda have a lotta hp

[serene steppe]

I know people didnt pull them but havent done Halls since they made changes

[burnt spoke]

can someone tell me the ideal rotation on how to get fast threat with the example of first pull on flood? like leap + clap 1, revenge 2, charge + clap 3, revenge 4 and charge + clap or revenge 5?

[hidden cradle]

Not a high pusher, but what I do is pull all and wait till they all are close than AoE taunt. That give me time to generate enough threat.

You can throw weapon the far packs and revenge/TClap the close packs.

[torpid dome]

yeah usuallyy I walk on 1, TC, charge on 2, TC, charge on 3, throw on 4 and heroic leap on 5

then move to the center

[olive kettle]

So'Leah - hero track
Signet - hero track
Tome - champ track

Which two would you use for weekly 10's?

[wispy moth]

What I do : walk to 1 and TC, Heroic leap on 2, heroic throw on 5, charge on 3 and heroic throw on 4. While gathering, mass taunt and spam TC/TB while packing them.

Use SW after heroic leap and SB when enough rage

[torpid dome]

this makes more sense than mine lmao

[neon elk]

Why is everyone on that pull walking instead of using charge

[torpid dome]

because you walk mounted to 1

then you use your charges as gapclosers towards the other packs

following the order of operations from @wispy moth I would walk on 1 tc, charge on 2, leap on 3, then either throw on 4 and 5, or throw on 4, charge on 5

but in essence, the 2nd charge might not be necessary, so you could actually use it as gapcloser on 1 as well

[fallen marlin]

gm guys have have 25k haste is that too much ?

[torpid dome]

it's enough

[fallen marlin]

so i can stay on this right ?

[torpid dome]

Yeah, we want at least 22-23K haste for ITF

[fallen marlin]

nice i can drop some haste then maybe with gems

[torpid dome]

but having extra doesn't harm yet, softcape is around 26k I think? and there's still advantage if you get more

[fallen marlin]

ohhh didnt know that

[torpid dome]

but yeah, it could be helpful to drop some haste by changing your fiber in the cape

[fallen marlin]

ty so much Dazzler ! ❤️

[minor garden]

Afaik with stats its 21k haste to maintain uptime and then funnel into crit then verse

There's an add on you can use to show your caps and diminishing returns ( i think its called true stat value or something)

[fallen marlin]

i know that addon but ppl hating it dont know why

[torpid dome]

Yeah but at that point, just sim it

and tbh if I look at the wowhead BIS gear guide:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

I'd end up way over 26k haste with that gear at mythic 6/6

[minor garden]

Looking at the top prot warriors rn they seem to have around 23k ish haste

[torpid dome]

hmm cancel that; 26.332 w/o enchants, embellishments or fiber

[wispy moth]

Yeah sometimes I don't even charge on 3. Just Walk in middle and heroic throw everything. Normally you've got enough rage to cast SB or just use SC to get it

[wispy moth]

Got 28k and see no prob to it

[glacial zinc]

Any reason on why there are 0 Tome's when checking the top prot warrior logs? I though it was one of the best trinkets

[torpid dome]

I have 26,5k haste

[wispy moth]

Don't compare with top world, we're not on the same level and we don't have the same priority. They're playing with a fix comp all day.

Or just maybe they didn't loot myth tome yet

[torpid dome]

yep,, tbh only difficlut thing on that floodgate pull, is the angles that mobs can hit you in the back

[torpid dome]

no they get more benefit from other trinkets on M+

[wispy moth]

Yup that's why I rapidly go on side to get them all insight and in front

[torpid dome]

they opt for antenna or pacemaker for offensive options, as it's overall more aoe dps than tome

they simply dont need the prio dmg from tome

[torpid dome]

yep makes sense

[wispy moth]

Make sense and they manage prio st damage with dps and they can play well the antenna

There is a huge dif between 0-10% missing antenna buff and the general 30% from what ppl does

[torpid dome]

yep

at 30%, you're better off just using pacemaker

taking into consideration they are both myth track

[wispy moth]

Yup

[torpid dome]

tbh I only have hero track brand and pacemaker rn

dont think we're going to do mythic soul hunters, I think 3/8 or 4/8 might be our limit this season before people move away to other games

[prime sphinx]

if ur guild survives to turbo boost then i think many pugs will be able to do 6/8m

[oak ivy]

fract is super duper easy if you can get past forgeweaver

[torpid dome]

yeah but we're usually at 16/20 or so with either 3 or 4 healers on raid nights

so already need to pug 4 ppl already during our current situation

[olive kettle]

So for tome trinket, we just use the "on use" when it shifts to shield, right?

[torpid dome]

let alone in a few week, when people might start to lose interest. It's our first season going at mythic raiding, so any progress we make is good

[torpid dome]

true, so maybe we get 5/8, but that doesnt unlock Brand rewards from vault, does it? Need 6/8 or soul hunter kill for it?

[prime sphinx]

Turbo boost is probs perfect timing for u
If crests are uncapped from start then getting 7/8ilvls on everyone will make things so much easier

Soul hunters loot is unlocked in vault if u kill frac

[torpid dome]

that is true for sure

[torpid dome]

ah thats nice

Hopefully sunday we get 3/8

[bleak scaffold]

Check pined messages there is one for this 🙂

[prime sphinx]

Imo new guilds progressing forgeweaver at this point should look at lusting 1st damage amp strat and skipping 2nd intermission.
U can also drop adds behind puddle instead of relying on knockbacks if ppl are messing it up

[hardy snow]

even with lust on 1st intermission you still need decent dmg to skip 2nd, and if guild just arrives at Araz, I guess they may not have enough juice to do it, but its still better to lust 1st amp imo

[olive kettle]

just wanted confirmation

[bleak scaffold]

short answer, yes the goal is to use it when it auto switch to shield 🙂

[olive kettle]

thank you!

[spark patrol]

It seems odd as it seems majority of the guilds are oversaturated with trials

[torpid dome]

Yeah that's not the case with our guild, im part of smaller guild

[dire grail]

hey all, kinda new to tanking. How do you all go about learning routes / what to pull? I find it really hard to translate MDT routes into the actual dungeons

[jagged pier]

Press w

[dire grail]

I guess that works for most dungeons except dawnbreaker 😛

[pallid quiver]

that's why dawnbreaker stinky

[jagged pier]

Boss to boss

Clear courtyard close enough

[torpid dome]

and make sure you have 94% before going to the final boss (it was 94% right?)

[jagged pier]

93.5

Hes 6.51%

[torpid dome]

ah yeah then 94 is close enough lmao

and depending if you have kicks, it could be more comfortable to clear the church instead of the square

But I think we can mark that as preference

[eternal terrace]

when tanking anxiety goes away?

[jagged pier]

[clever hazel]

sites like keystone guru is a good start, watch some other m+ tanks and ask them questions. Most important is just do them and learn from mistakes.

[clever hazel]

when you start to see success and recognize where you could have improved

[frosty mango]

When you realize keys are infinite and so are assholes

Brick away

Can’t learn if you don’t fail

They’ll deal

[wintry nymph]

best advice ive seen tbh

just play it

you'll be fine

if they scream at you you ignore them

[deft mortar]

while keeping vers a priority for funsies, getting it more balanced with haste

got 15K haste now and 22K vers

Wanna hit 20k haste

[dire grail]

Thanks, guess I’ll start with the more lineair dungeons and go from there

[warm plinth]

15k haste is cursed

[deft mortar]

I have >97% SB uptime

[warm plinth]

Sure with a suboptimal talent because you have negative haste

[deft mortar]

Buddy I have 30M max health

All my talents are suboptimal

I could alternatively achieve 40% vers for having a 2nd dstance

[toxic gyro]

But this isn’t season of tanks getting destroyed. You pull what group can handle and not die.
But you can do whatever for funzies.

[deft mortar]

Yeah tanking dungeons in this game fkn sucks nowadays

It's all about nannying others

I miss it when mobs cast spells on the tanks

raids are OK

[toxic gyro]

I don’t raid anymore but hc and first couple mythic bosses are boring as fuck. You literally take 0 dmg.

[deft mortar]

yeah

there is no threat to tanks in raids

I can ez take 2nd Arcanocannon in HC

Pretty sure might be able to in Mythic too

[torpid dome]

yeah its actually hilarious, yesterday I had a couple of ara kara attempts, where people just refused to kick it seemed on the first pull

We abandoned the dungeon after the first pull with 12 deaths 🥲 I didn't die as tank, even tho healer was dead most of the time as well

[deft mortar]

Entire fkn M+ experience is about coordinating kicks and CC's

It's puke

[torpid dome]

yeah, you would expect people to know that when they're queueing for 12s

but alas

[toxic gyro]

I mean if ppl die to kicks or aggro bc they decided to insta burst then i just shrug it off and move on.

[deft mortar]

No, people only start using their kicks when spells actually kill them

So I guess people who did all 13s/14s are probably more likely

Up to 12s they might get hit 80% of their max hp but still live and be healed back up in seconds

[neon elk]

People dont know how or when to use their kick and defensives even in 15s

[deft mortar]

So they don't learn

[deft mortar]

I guess that goes up every week with ilvl

rating inflation and all

Might be all 15s now

[neon elk]

Ilvl increase doesnt help that much when it comes to geting oneshot tho

[deft mortar]

it literally gives you stamina

Most players with 14-15M max hp can take most spells in 12s

[neon elk]

Yea in 12s

Also, u do realize that not every single person is geting stamina upgrade in their vault right ?

And even if they do, that one item doesnt give that much

[deft mortar]

every 3 ilvl gives you like 3% more stamina

compounding

710 mfers can casually take on 1 more M+ level of hits than 700

and 720 another

beyond that its capped

[torpid dome]

they were dropping like flies on the kicks that went through on the +12 yesterday

[neon elk]

Yea , but u arent geting 10ilvl overals each week xd

[deft mortar]

its gonna slow now

[neon elk]

713 to 714 between weeks is nothing

[deft mortar]

2 packs and tank can do it all honestly

but then overalls suck

well most* if not all

[neon elk]

Also there is stuff like trinkets etc that increase your ilvl but doesnt add a single hp

[deft mortar]

bro wont let me generalize

[neon elk]

Cuz your generalization is bad ?

[deft mortar]

bro is trying to argue more ilvl isn't more hp

[neon elk]

Where did i said that ?

[deft mortar]

and more hp isnt more likelihood to take hits

and therefore not learn to interrupt

[neon elk]

Dude what ? xd

[solid sun]

I don’t think they’re saying you don’t get more hp. I think they’re saying the hp you gain isn’t enough

[neon elk]

Yea exactly

[solid sun]

And considering how many people I see get one shot even in 12s that sounds right

[deft mortar]

who tf is getting one-shot in 12s

to like bolts, etc.

[neon elk]

Like even this week where most of people had vault+craft overal ilvl went up by like 2

People doing those 12s perhaps ? Dude above literaly just described how they had 12 deaths on 1 pull cuz nobody used kick , idk what else u want to discus there tbf

[deft mortar]

Ok nvm no point to argue alot on this

Just wanted to get the point accross that there is a certain M+ level that all of a sudden interrupts become life or death

And players who pass that point, are going to know how interrupt

I guess in the case of DPS, they can be boosted essentially still through that point too

2-3 people interrupting well takes the pressure ngl

Very annoying mechanic imo

I wish DPS job was just do DPS and occasionally avoid fire

[neon elk]

My point was, there is a lot of people in keys where missed kick means deaths, yet they still dont use it

[torpid dome]

dps, healers

[deft mortar]

I don't like playing with hunters/mages/warlocks with their 24 sec interrupts too

[neon elk]

Cd is irelevant if they never use it

[deft mortar]

Really sucks essentially all of M+ is around that

Wonder what's the max level a group of 5 tanks can do

on time

No dispells tho xd

[torpid dome]

I think tanks can go quite high

espec this season where prot warrior does 5m dps on a lot of dungeons

[neon elk]

Depends on dung and tank comp but i would say like 15-16 now could be doable

[torpid dome]

and other tank specs are around 4m

tho I do think even in this setup, you spec 1 'main tank' and other 'off-tanks' can spec more into dmg

rotate tank busters, so each tank gets the chance to selfsustain to full hp again

[neon elk]

Sure but there are dungs where like pwar will strugle without healer, even if he wasnt "main " tanking it

[torpid dome]

yeah thats why I say, on those dungeons you rotate tanks

you want to bring a brewmaster anyways, they have hellufa sustain

[shrewd grove]

Brew can keep up and has a dispel, as well as self healing

[torpid dome]

exactly

you want to bring a brew anyways for the party buff

and when their stagger starts pushing it too much

one of the other tanks take over

so he can sustain

[neon elk]

U also probably wanna ppal for ocasional heal here and there

[torpid dome]

and interrupts & general utility

so you have 1x brm, 1x ppal

Maybe you'd want 1x VDH as well? and then 2x pwarr?

[heavy sparrow]

Did this with 4 prot wars in floodgate S2 was fun as heck

[deft mortar]

I guess you can have a ppal for dispells too

when needed

[proper sinew]

Hi warriors! What is the most tanky tank between brew and prot warr? And what does the most dps

[torpid dome]

Pwarr does most dmg currently, brewmaster has higher sustain

[round pendant]

I hate playing disc

I notice how NOBODY presses their cds on cd

[torpid dome]

[undone beacon]

Sustain doesn’t matter if the enemies are DEAD, ez

[obtuse marsh]

holy fuck how its possible dps can roll on Brand ?? third time i miss the trinket

[bleak scaffold]

It's a tank trinket, but if you are on tank loot even if you play as DPS you could loot it indeed

[solid sun]

Pretty common in pugs for tanks who want an item like that to join the group finder as dps since the group might already have two tanks

[wanton mantle]

anyone here uses the shield maid addon?. It used to work just fine before, but now it only shows me the first 10s duration of Shield Block, even if i have more than 10s remaining, also i have the checkboxes for "hide when out of combat" and "show only in protection spec", but it remains there even when off combat and on arms/fury

[plush tendon]

gotta be smart about it

get Soul Hunters lock out, invite only your friends to trade trinket, dont invite any class that can roll offspec tank

I imagine people would join a Heroic Soulhunters only pug

[cerulean tusk]

Tanking 13s is a true headache

ppl keep complaining and whining like no tomorrow

"tank why you pull all 4 packs?!?! WTF?!"

says the DPS

who pulled it in

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-death-dead-gif-12123813093863538966

[normal mica]

would u guys run these 2 trinkets or tome over the cursed idol, in m+

[neon elk]

Yea puging is fun , my favorite is when people in ara demands adds near the boss for cleave and then they are surprised when boss ests them cuz they lure them in

[frosty mango]

Honestly if you want brand that bad - you can just scumbag it

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5wYy9RETAtWWYgmEUrNkqd

[frosty mango]

Join a fresh pug, clear up to soul hunters, leave, form your own group and fill it with people who can’t use brand and get an offtank who already has it

[dusky canopy]

Took pantaloons

[frosty mango]

Yeah the boss might be harder with 25 cloth and mail wearers only but you’ll be on the fast track to trinketsville

[neon elk]

Do all of that and then trinket doesnt even drop xd

[cerulean tusk]

I got it from doing 4 mythic dungs

so I dunno

just do that?

[dusky canopy]

Just loot it

It’s that easy

[plush tendon]

I got it week 1

from a Warbound loot

I hope blizz learned that non raiders should be allowed to buy mythic raid loot

without needing the kill

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[plush tendon]

otherwise.... ya boi already has feelers out to some friends guild to buy a soul hunters carry

[neon elk]

Imo if they did like time all 16s for mythic loot then i will be happy

[dusky canopy]

15s

[plush tendon]

its all 12s to buy mythic dungeon trinkets

I think thats fine

I see no reason to block people from getting cool trinkets

let everyone get myth track gear

[neon elk]

Yea but do like 15s for raid gear , without needing the kill

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

I doubt they will budge on that they want mythic raiding to matter

[neon elk]

So people not cry its "free"

[plush tendon]

prob not

but its 3 items at the end of the season

[frosty mango]

I ran 4 mythic dungeons and got credit for 1

[plush tendon]

and buying heroic versions of said items is big feels bad

especially since its toon and not account specific

[dusky canopy]

I also advocate for letting people get there handouts because it’s after HoF closes and that’s realistically the only rankings people care about so why care after that?

Let the M+ only guys get the good raid trinkets without raiding

I don’t see the harm personally

[plush tendon]

Let the delve/lfr guy get their mythic trinket

freedom for all!

[frosty mango]

M+ scales infinitely
Raid has hall of fame

Why does anyone care what loot people have

[dusky canopy]

Exactly

[frosty mango]

It tilts the fuck out of me when people say “it takes away from my achievement because it means my IO doesn’t matter” ok so just run higher keys?

[plush tendon]

I 100% agree

gear and i level dont matter

just let everyone juice their toons

people who mythic raid or do more mythic dungeons will get geared faster

thats enough in my mind

[dusky canopy]

Not to mention people literally buy boosts left and right in this game so I love it when the “my achievements are devalued” guys argue

Like bruh be real

[plush tendon]

yea... me even considering just buying a boost for soul hunters

so I can buy a trinket from turbo

is big feels bad

[dusky canopy]

Can buy HoF

Can buy title

Can buy full mythic gearing funnel

[frosty mango]

I got 3k week one, am I an objectively more skilled player than people who get it in week 10? In a lot of cases yes, probably, but why would I care if someone gets 3k after turbo boost?

I would only care if I’m still at 3k in which case I’ve either stopped pushing or I’ve been hard stuck there for 10 weeks

But either way the argument makes zero sense

[dusky canopy]

Can buy glad

[mortal cypress]

Can buy love

[plush tendon]

also, making big items available to more people

makes the less skill players stronger

increasing the success rate of my weekly keys

I see no downside

[dusky canopy]

The reward feeling comes from knowing you did it yourself, not from what items you have. Just my 2 cents

[plush tendon]

agreed

[bleak scaffold]

For some it comes from others looking at them with desire to have the same ...

[plush tendon]

I get very little satisfaction from loot

[mellow yoke]

Mythic raid slander?

Get me on board

[plush tendon]

I aint slandering mythic raid

this raid actually looks quite good

[bleak scaffold]

I think the biggest problem is, "if you can buy it at boost, would you "push" Myth raid to get it sooner" ?

[plush tendon]

but.... dont make everyone get mythic kills for the myth track version of the turbo trinket

[mellow yoke]

Myth raiding push is not that simple

How much guilds are looking for a tank these days?

[plush tendon]

people mythic raid for the challange. They also get geared much faster

[dusky canopy]

I mean I am very much so a loot driven kind of player, I just don’t care how other people obtain the same gear as long as I have it too I’m happy

[mellow yoke]

Extemely few

[frosty mango]

Play dps then

[mellow yoke]

I would consider buying SH to get the trinket

[frosty mango]

Tons of guilds looking for dps warriors

[mellow yoke]

Because I want the trinket

[undone beacon]

Get into a guild as dps and then offer to be the backup tank

Thats what i did

[plush tendon]

or just be a social in a decent mythic guild

[undone beacon]

and eventually one of the main tanks has an anuerysm and now you're the main tank

[plush tendon]

do M+

once they are done with tier

cant discounted services

[bleak scaffold]

I didn't meant myth raid is easy ! Just that if you can get it later, why would you push, maybe it's in blizzard's mind, i don't know just a thougth 🙂

[plush tendon]

lmao

[plush tendon]

ye, but its only 3 items

mythic raiders are getting every slot BiSed out

saving gilded crests early

[dusky canopy]

Because you can get the same gear earlier and people go nuts for “early access” to just about anything

[frosty mango]

I mythic raid every week on the warrior as fury and just soak up tank loot.

Last tier I was given tank loot from raid OVER the second tank bc I am consistently available running keys to help people as tank

[plush tendon]

like, guys in my guild are just 719

Im 714

[mellow yoke]

Idgf about HoF or any of that, mythic raid guilds require a lot of commitment

[plush tendon]

just by consequence of them being mythic raiders

[undone beacon]

some people like the challenge of doing it early and then being done for the season. Why did so many people do ?? Ky'veza before her rewards were even introduced? Cuz its a fun challenge

[frosty mango]

Don’t discount the value of your overall contribution to a raid group

Just bc you’re playing dps

[mellow yoke]

I dont want to commit to a guild

[frosty mango]

Good guilds do see your total contribution

[undone beacon]

dps are stinky doodoo heads

therefore

[mellow yoke]

Because I dont have the time to commit

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t put my shield on in like 3 years lmao

[mellow yoke]

But I still want the trinket

[frosty mango]

You don’t have 2 evenings a week?

[undone beacon]

I was out last night for a concert and missed raid and the feedback I got after bringing in the auxiliary tank was "never leave us again"

[plush tendon]

youll either need to buy it or make some friends who do mythic raid then most likley

[mellow yoke]

Only Friday and Saturday but most guilds do other days

[plush tendon]

if they retain the same dinar system as last tier

[mellow yoke]

Not these

From what Ive seen

[bleak scaffold]

For me the most important is the challenge, the loot is just the cherry on top 🙂 I don't care, i would be happy to purchase it with dinars too as it's not easy to myth raid ^^

[mellow yoke]

And if you miss a raid you instantly become that slacker guy

No one wants to get

[plush tendon]

the two nights a week is a bit tough for me now

[frosty mango]

There zillions of guilds. You’re just cooking up reasons and conflating your own shit

[plush tendon]

so I had to stop

[frosty mango]

If you wanted to raid you could absolutely find a guild

[jade hazel]

There’s mythic guilds that aren’t super fucking sweats lol

[frosty mango]

Now if you don’t wanna do that, that’s also cool

[plush tendon]

there are cool 1 night a week guilds also

[frosty mango]

Just don’t hold yourself back

[plush tendon]

thats the real play

XD

[mellow yoke]

Aight, find me a EU mythic raid guilds with atleast reasonable progress LF main tank that raid only Friday and Saturday

[plush tendon]

do you have any prog or exp yourself?

[frosty mango]

Just play fury you’ll find one in like a week

[mellow yoke]

Just weekly 2/8s

[plush tendon]

if not... well, you get to start at the bottom

jumping mythic guild is a either A) you know someone or B) work your way there

we've all done it

[mellow yoke]

But then I have to learn new spec, get 2 handers and hope their tank is unavailable

To go backuo

I personally dont want to deal with that

For just a trinket

So, I’d buy

[plush tendon]

if its just soul hunters you want

just buy it

its your best bet

[frosty mango]

Just send it single minded fury like me until you get 2 handers

[plush tendon]

spend your time you would be raiding making gold

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[mellow yoke]

Or just buy gold

Because I dont wanna waste 2 days I got on farming gold

[frosty mango]

Don’t judge me, I’m never last on the meter

[undone beacon]

wont matter legion remix is coming raid is dead we remixing it up

[bleak scaffold]

You mean fury with two 1H weapons ? is it better than playing arms spec ?

[frosty mango]

Tbh at this point it very well may be

lol

[dusky canopy]

You stop that SMF talk right now!

Delete!

[undone beacon]

she mind on my fury til im single

[bleak scaffold]

Will try it when i get good 1h for it haha, never dropped nor saw 1h on mtyh dungeons and unfortunately I have to look for a guild/raid as mine got decimated by summer holydays :/

[undone beacon]

:(

[plush tendon]

I like arms

so I dont have to change my gear

[frosty mango]

Smf will never beat using two 2handers but two 723 one handers do beat two 710 2 handers

How you like that math

[plush tendon]

I think arms is stll crit haste

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-en-sacrement-regard-de-feu-gif-15231722216266444049

SMF enjoyers smh

[frosty mango]

I’m not an enjoyer, I don’t like 200cpm life

[jade hazel]

yup

[bleak scaffold]

Calm down Brewjj, it's alt spec ! main is prot, but sometime need to DPS and can't craft 720 2H :x

[frosty mango]

Brew just mad I’m blasting with one handers rping as a frost dk

[bleak scaffold]

But if I an already have my 720 craft and maybe sometime soon a 723 1H then fury becomes a possibility 🙂

lol

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/get-blown-up-dog-dog-explosion-sticky-notes-gif-17071604041793579031

Look what you did!!

[undone beacon]

yeah im keeping my crafted if i get a myth wep and going all in on the smf grindset

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-sad-cat-gato-gif-7641156108931201675

[dusky canopy]

That’s what happens when a warrior talents into SMF

[plush tendon]

Ill be honest... having two 1H weps sounds really cool

the weps are too big for me when I have two 2H

[undone beacon]

best part of SMF

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[undone beacon]

is using two fist weapons as fury

and being an angry discount monk

[plush tendon]

how about I have one 2h

and one 1H

does that work?

[undone beacon]

worst of both worlds

[dusky canopy]

That’s like og combat gaming

Sword in mainhand

Dagger offhand

[undone beacon]

also smf demands two one-hands so its a nonstarter

[plush tendon]

nice

let me do that

[nocturne spindle]

You play smf

So you can tmog thundery

Also because I have like 3 723 one handers because fucking hard mode

[frosty mango]

Back in vanilla

I used two felstrikers

For the 100% crit proc

Everyone was memeing me until I was beating that ass on the meter

[solid sun]

Oh yeah

Well when I tried out vanilla I didn’t even know damage meters existed

[frosty mango]

Jokes on me bc I just simmed and turns out two shitter 710 2 handers do beat two 723 one handers

By a lot

https://tenor.com/view/bebezinho-gif-17524909461832763406

https://tenor.com/view/bebezinho-gif-17524909461832763406

[topaz cloud]

How good are Interloper boots(reshi wrap trigger) for prot? worth picking it with Veteran ilvl over other boots with higher ilvl?

[frosty mango]

They are purely defensive so in raid, unless you’re doing hard mythic prog, imo no

For m+ imo yes the proc is big

[topaz cloud]

ok thanks 🙂

[solid sun]

At veteran track?

Ain’t no way I’m wearing vet reshi boots over hero track boots

[plush tendon]

I dont think you give up I level for boots

but it is a generally low budget slot... so maybe?

[frosty mango]

The proc rate increase has a lot of defensive value in keys

[fallen marlin]

What are ppl using now in days for marking mobs in m+ ? Some ppl says there is macro but in pugs that is kinda hard coz not everyone have that

[frosty mango]

I use an auto marker weakaura

And we just call our interrupt mark

[fallen marlin]

Can you dm me that wa sir ?

[frosty mango]

I’m not home at the moment, if you search wago for m+ automarker there’s like a billion of them

You can prob ask in #ui-addons-manager as well someone can prob link one

[manic perch]

which build are you guys running in M+, out of curiosity

[plush tendon]

I run the one on WoWhead

works perfectly fine

[frosty mango]

+1 the wowhead guide has two builds (a weekly and a push/high key)

[plush tendon]

yea, I use the push build

but I just do push keys on my war

and I cant be asked to swap talents in weeklys soooo

[solid sun]

I use the weekly because I’m not in push mode

[plush tendon]

though I do want to try Col in a key

[jagged pier]

so do it

[plush tendon]

I already have problems swapping to dps talents in weeklies

you think im gonna remember to swap on Col

[frosty mango]

I play it now and again

It’s still fun

Still sucks at gather

I played it in a 15 with fdk/dh and it was very scary for them

[round pendant]

yeah they need to buff colossus

it should get a 360, bigger radius Revenge

[kind urchin]

I played it in a 13 gambit yesterday. Was still fun.

[round pendant]

nice

Cell finally got partial aura updates

more fps for us

[ionic umbra]

Would you recommend to craft 720 belt this week?

[dusky canopy]

If it sims higher than spending your crests on other upgrades then yes

[olive fulcrum]

Yes (idk / )

[honest chasm]

what horde race should i use for prot war?

[plush tendon]

I made 720 belt

but I made embellishments on Belt and Bracers

and have myth wep + shield

[jagged pier]

whichever u like looking at the most

[lime spruce]

Why don't we ever take Fight through the Flames, the talent that gives 4% magic reduction? That sounds good, what am I not understanding

[mortal cypress]

Always moocow

[plush tendon]

opprotunity cost

most damage is phy and armor gives strength

so the extra armor value talent is very good

[undone beacon]

goblin cuz goblin is epic

but be warned rocket jump disables heroic leap for 10 seconds

[plush tendon]

None of the horde races do anything crazy for War

[undone beacon]

Still considering swapping to a drac because of that frustrating interaction alone

[plush tendon]

at least in PVE

[honest chasm]

ah ic

[plush tendon]

Alliance races like Nelf, Dwarf, Human are generally better

[undone beacon]

Horde races do great things for war, they look cooler

easy

[honest chasm]

I made a cow

dw

[undone beacon]

I woulda said moose but cow is still good

I play goblins and when i cant goblin I HMT

[bleak scaffold]

well the moo has a small endurance buff and the 2min CD stun, but it doesn't work on all enemies

[lime spruce]

What about Instigate and Bloodsurge? I just odn't know how to quantify how much value they add, esp. Instigate that's just "your autos do 10% more damage and generate 2 rage"

[plush tendon]

logs

Ex:

please note this is a Fract log, but bloodsurge gains more value with more targets

so imagine how many autos you do in a key or fight

multiple it by 2

and boom, thats how much rage you got from instigate

[lime spruce]

Awesome, tyvm

I should start logging my M+ runs

[undone beacon]

always a good idea

[lime spruce]

other question is how I can be using my stuns more effectively, right now my understanding is that stuns are used for 1) Interrupting things only stuns can interrupt, 2) using them as a defensive on a pack of grouped mobs to get a couple seconds of reprieve, 3) same as 2 but when there are casters near the end of their cast

One of my bad habits is panic spamming stuns while I'm grouping mobs / using them as an interrupt on casters I need to grouip, so it stops the cast but they can't run along lol so they just wake up and keep casting unless I LOS them.

What other best practices / habits do you guys have for when and how you use your stuns

[fringe burrow]

If i'm gathering a group that has multiple casters, I'll use the aoe interrupt when they get going, it locks them out and is a lot better for gathering. A stun just makes them sit in place a few seconds, then start casting again

[plush tendon]

so its different for pugs I imagine, but for stuns there is a diminishing return

[honest chasm]

is there any macros thats troll to not use

[plush tendon]

each time you stun a mob, the time it can be stunned on the next one is reduced

to the point where they can be 'DRed" and stuns no longer work on them

ideally, you want to limit the number of casters in pulls (between 1-2 depending on group comp and kick CD)

you can use stuns to stop abilties some abilties, but I would recommend not using stuns to get 'reprieve' from packs

especially if they arent doing anything

some case use are the shadowblades in Dawnbreaker where a stun on those can help you kite and reset stacks

but the best thing you can do is A) limit casters in pulls with routing B) when casters or danger mobs die in pulls, you can chain the non threatening mobs into the next one

[frosty mango]

Sending aoe stun into an entire pack, especially casters or even worse archers, is bad bad bad bad at higher key levels

You will absolutely get people murdered doing that

First pull of priory is a very good example

[plush tendon]

people send way too many stuns there

[frosty mango]

If you aoe stun that pack all at once someone is dying

[plush tendon]

just want to stun the shield dudes when they use their DR abilties thing

[frosty mango]

Knock ups are superior there

[plush tendon]

its also why I like Col; turning shockwave into a knock up is so fucking good

[frosty mango]

Thunderstorm, explo trap, etc

[plush tendon]

like, actually amazing

[frosty mango]

Fears also

[plush tendon]

its also why people dont run the stormbolt cleave stun talent

even if they dont have intervene

because randomly stunning mobs is such a no no

[frosty mango]

That’s more bc it raises the cd

[plush tendon]

that to

[frosty mango]

But full aoe stuns are omega level dangerous when there are rando casters but especially archers/shooters

[plush tendon]

you may know this Roid, but I was watching Kira's group do pull 3

the knight pack into the archer puppy pack

what are they looking for their ccs?

cause to me that pull is turbo dangerous (but efficient)

[frosty mango]

That’s a bad pull for pugs

[plush tendon]

yea, this aint for pugs

[frosty mango]

That’s a bad pull for basically any group imo

[plush tendon]

there will be a semblance of coordination

but its doable

[frosty mango]

Kira’s group is highly coordinated so that pull is highly efficient for them

[lime spruce]

Is that because it syncs them to all do their random blaster damage at the same time?

[frosty mango]

But imo most groups would get shredded by lynx overlaps with shout

[frosty mango]

Yes they will all turn and shoot one person at the exact same time

Which on like a 10 is ok

But on a 16/17 that person will just die

[lime spruce]

That’s literally the pull I watched and thought it was a best practice 😂

[plush tendon]

idk, people are doing it

and I got all season to learn how

[frosty mango]

The lynx pull?

[plush tendon]

yea, pull 3

funny enough, pull 5 is omega chill

[frosty mango]

You just need good cc coordination and a way to keep the lynxes locked

[plush tendon]

with LoS tech

[lime spruce]

Oh sorry no I misunderstood I was thinking of the very first pull

[round pendant]

that's fuckin stupid

[plush tendon]

disclaimer, do not be trying these pulls in your weekly pug group

[frosty mango]

I don’t think pull 3 would be an issue for Kira’s group

At all

[plush tendon]

not, it wasnt

wasnt a issue for a couple of other vods/logs/routes Ive seen

[frosty mango]

But I do think if you do that pull in a pug it will almost always end in death

[plush tendon]

but there is something im missing to it

[lime spruce]

This has been very helpful because I heard someone else saying that keeping casters in sync is always ideal

[plush tendon]

syncing casters is fine

syncing melees and archers is not

especially if they target party members

[frosty mango]

It can be if it’s only casters, archers are an issue and melees too to some extent

[plush tendon]

there is a difference

[lime spruce]

And what I’m hearing is that may be the case for coordinated groups but in the runs I’m seeing where people get domed this is probably why

[round pendant]

They need to just remove archers

they're so unfun

[frosty mango]

What are you missing

[plush tendon]

idk, when to call for a cc

[solid sun]

Archers are people too

[frosty mango]

Did they do something wierd witg the pull?

[plush tendon]

and when to just let them do their thing

maybe I have to track who archers are targeting

[lime spruce]

I just hate the ones on Priory because so many ranged don’t know they’re supposed to stack with us, the game doesn’t make that very clear

[plush tendon]

if three are targetting the same person, then stun

if its spread, then let through

or stop before a shout

[frosty mango]

When I do lynxes I spear them and call for people to range when they are about to jump, then shockwave as they cast

[plush tendon]

I do track the lynx jump

[frosty mango]

I’m able to get them like 60% of the time but afaik sometimes the dot applies before they land

[plush tendon]

I did see that they just had their mage baiting it as well

[round pendant]

there's a wa to track lynx jump timing?

I need that

[plush tendon]

its on my nameplates I think

idk, I just download the causee package

[round pendant]

I have that

I don't get that :(

[frosty mango]

Turn on bossmod integration in plater then turn on the dungeon addon for bigwigs (little wigs) or dbm

It will show cooldowns on nameplates for basically everything

[round pendant]

I have that enabled too

I don't see lynx jumps

:(

[lime spruce]

How does caster logic work with aggro and party members it can see but haven’t attacked it yet, does my party already being in combat with someone else matter

[frosty mango]

What do you mean

[round pendant]

wait bossmod integration in plater

I basically autocompleted your sentence and read plater integration in bigwigs

which is diff

[frosty mango]

Yea it’s one of the zillion options on there somewhere

[round pendant]

I'll check next time I'm on tyty

[lime spruce]

I’m having trouble getting the second pull in Streets to cleanly come around the corner all together

[round pendant]

people gotta kick shrimple

[frosty mango]

The one inside the room with the two big guys at the door?

[lime spruce]

And I’m trying to figure out how to handle those casters and what their logic is, and how LOS pulls work when the caster can see my allies or if the caster can see theirs and is casting a support spell

[lime spruce]

Yeah

[round pendant]

this one I think

[lime spruce]

Yep that’s the one

[frosty mango]

Add the 3 pack in pull 3 to pull 2

You’re lusting there anyway

So it should be a nonissue

Then pull miniboss into the rest of pull 4

But generally casters will aggro the entire group if the group is in range and in line of sight when you pull them

So your group needs to either kick, or be out of Los

[lime spruce]

Got it, that’s what I was confused about, I thought they only cared about me as long as no one else hit them

Since melee act that way (right?)

[frosty mango]

That’s true to an extent, but only if the rest of the group is out of range

[lime spruce]

Got it, since this is pug life we can rationally assume that is not the case

Okay pull 2 is a great case study for me, you have 2 melee mobs bottom and two packs of 3 with one caster each, what abilities are you guys using for each pack to get them grouped up and in what order are you tagging them

[tawdry cloak]

I did this once and my group got deleted and they told me never to do that again. Pretty sure it was a skill issue on interrupts though

[lime spruce]

I don’t have great heuristics for that strategy yet

Lots of heroic throwing and praying they make it to me before my team starts zugging

[solid sun]

wtf is a heuristic

[frosty mango]

If they got deleted they either didn’t purge the reflect shield or they didn’t kick, or they stood in the beam

[lime spruce]

It’s like a mental shortcut meets best practices

[frosty mango]

Trial and error

[solid sun]

Bros

This is the pwar discord

You gotta use words good for zug zug

[round pendant]

A set of simple rules and etc that allow you to solve problems on the fly

is how I'd describe heuristics in this context

[frosty mango]

Not a you problem, also just charge and blast then leap

[round pendant]

I pull 3 with mini so funneler can funnel :(

[frosty mango]

Don’t rely only on heroic throw your demon hunters and ret paladins are too dumb to understand that level of nuance

[tawdry cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/intellectual-smart-very-handsome-gif-5044980794955503064
@solid sun

[plush tendon]

idk, I think pulling that room like this is pretty idiot proof

if it aint... then im sorry, your team is dumb dumb

[frosty mango]

Add 3 pack in 3 to 2, add miniboss to 4

Ez

[round pendant]

yeah but if you got a funneller you want those 2 small guys in 4 on the boss

so you end up fighting two beam guys alone and it feels bad

[plush tendon]

3 things to kick

thats a no no

[frosty mango]

No I pull the big guys too and the miniboss gets prioed and you funnel the rest of the trash off the boss

[lime spruce]

Like even hearing only fight 2 casters at once is a huge help for my heuristics collection 🧐

[frosty mango]

Though I stopped doing that on 16 melee are too dumb to move from beam

[round pendant]

I just charge the bottom two guys and walk/charge over to the pack above as the patrol is close enough to hit them all

[plush tendon]

do this

[round pendant]

then I back off to the corner and hope my group kicks

[plush tendon]

stop being a weenie

[solid sun]

Why is three things to kick a no no

[lime spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragonballsuper-dragonball-meme-language-of-gods-gif-14707991

[solid sun]

We outnumber the kicks!

[plush tendon]

thats my rule

[nocturne spindle]

this what i do on my 17

[round pendant]

puggers don't kick or overlap kicks

[plush tendon]

^^^

kicks are legit the number one killer in pugs

[round pendant]

3 is usually okay since we can carry some fuck ups with our utility/aoe kick

[lime spruce]

Yep

[frosty mango]

I can get behind this and it’s similar to mine I just find melee always eat the beam

[round pendant]

but it's spicy

yeah beams on boss is wild to me

[frosty mango]

Even when I move the boss they’re like noooooooo I don’t wanna move

[plush tendon]

this looks chill

[round pendant]

people can barely handle them when we're fighting just those

[nocturne spindle]

tell them to stop being bad

[round pendant]

I would like to pull like that tho

[plush tendon]

when going for score, you either do these pulls and get IO

or dont and try and get better

though, for anything below a 16/17, you can prob just do what youd do with a normal pug

tbh

Streets is also weird as there is really not many places to save time

[lime spruce]

Yeah I’m in late season +12-13 ELO hell rn trying to adapt my routes for pug chaos

[plush tendon]

12s should be chill

at least, mine are

just a bunch of raiders getting weeklies done

[jagged pier]

nah

they are arse

[plush tendon]

9s are the true hell

[warm plinth]

I've had great keys for the most part

[jagged pier]

ppl have been boosted to 12s and 13 s now

[plush tendon]

maybe ill see it this weekend

[lime spruce]

Idk if it’s the fourth spark or what but I feel like a lot of people have cleared 3k and 12s got way less reliable

[plush tendon]

I gotta slam 4 keys on the VDH

[warm plinth]

Though when I play hunter I am straight up gapping the other dps typically

[solid sun]

Ghash

[plush tendon]

hunter is busted

no cap

[solid sun]

Your keys go great because you’re in them

Wrecked

[warm plinth]

I'm playing bm hunter for the vibes

[solid sun]

Get owned

[warm plinth]

D:

How dare

[plush tendon]

I made a resto shaman

to learn how to heal

[warm plinth]

Me too

[plush tendon]

ill say im pretty good

[warm plinth]

Well I have healed already in the past to some success but nothing crazy

[lime spruce]

All it takes is 1 boosted catfish to blow things up too unfortunately

[jagged pier]

the few i did yesterday were aweful i went back down to 10 because i can pretty much solo them

[lime spruce]

I’m always at least 3/4 good other people, only 1 run so far with 2 turds

[lime spruce]

But many with 1 deadweight TANK ?? bads

[plush tendon]

still only 690

with 2 piece

that flood was super hard

no lie

I actually had to play the game

but I dont know what my buttons do

[warm plinth]

I forget are you NA or EU Jakey?

[jagged pier]

eu

[warm plinth]

12s better in NA confirmed

[jagged pier]

otherwise i would be pestering u to play with me

[warm plinth]

Get wrecked EU

[plush tendon]

yea, NA 12s are legit

EU 12s are stinky

[warm plinth]

We're finally better at something

[plush tendon]

its cause all the good wow players in EU are pushing score

meanwhile, smart NA players are just sitting at 12s

[lime spruce]

Oh so we’re generalizing on region now?? 🤨 😏

[warm plinth]

Nothing wrong with friendly competition!

[plush tendon]

is it competeition

when NA clearly number 1 in USA

[undone beacon]

I dont like EU because all the cool bear players in the bear discord are EU and they all do keys together and I am excluded because I am NA

:(

[warm plinth]

I'll do keys with you but am not bear

But I was bear main from vanilla until mop

If that matters

[undone beacon]

Thats fine. I just need someone to tank my big juicy surv hunter keys >:)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/233915185042161665/1194740376460853258/S2cheer.gif

[plush tendon]

my friend invited a hunter for a 15 Dawn we were doing

saw he was surv

instantly kicked

[nocturne spindle]

whens the 5 warrior weeklies

[pearl blaze]

got a question i seen some ppl change between bloodsurge/shield specialization whats is the best to use in what situations?

[undone beacon]

thats fucked up smh

[solid sun]

I would do keys with you, Pash

[plush tendon]

why you not BM or MM

[nocturne spindle]

use shield specialization

[undone beacon]

I'm outperforming all these stinky FotM FDKs with the spear

[undone beacon]

Because I don't enjoy playing at ranged

[plush tendon]

broooo

the FoTM rerollers are the worst