protection

[torpid dome]

imo this would move the problem away

while within the raid team I think you should highlight this issue

[tight mural]

yeap, i don't think it's a replacement. i think it's a stop gap while we help figure it out

[solid sun]

Does anyone else realize there’s an issue

[tight mural]

we are at the place in raid where damage on bosses is going to be an issue. and even though in the grand scheme of things, me having to hold back isn't going to make a huge diff, every littel bit helps

yeah several others have dm'd me about it

me and the pally are both officers in the guild. i've gotten dms from several raiders

[torpid dome]

and im assuming the pally is actively working at improving his rotation?

[tight mural]

i don't know if anyone has directly addressed it with him. working up to it - it feels relatively delicate.

i joined the guild last season as fury, this is my first tier tanking with them. he's been tanking with them for a loooong time.

[frosty mango]

Direct is best

“I have identified that I rip threat from you frequently and this is causing wipes when I die. I looked at our logs and you seem to be doing a considerable amount less damage relative to other players of your gear level, is this something you could look into?”

[waxen cradle]

In the past I have ran into issues having tanked with other tanks in guilds I have been in and I simply discussed it with the tanks and told them they I was not going to hold back and if they could not match my damage or hold threat from me that was something they needed to work on. I even tanked with one guy who tried to suggest last expansion that tank damage was irrelevant and I needed to just focus on living. Lets just say we disagreed so as a example... you could address your situation to him that way.

[solid sun]

And probably add on at the end, “if you cannot fix this issue I will not be inviting you to the bbq”

Food is a great motivator

[tight mural]

yeap, this feels good.

[torpid dome]

lmao

[frosty mango]

“You must to this much damage to ride this ride”

[tight mural]

yeah i mean we're not doing as much damage as dps. but it's not THAT far off. and if you add up the damage from me not having to hold back, plus the extra damage from him figuring out how to pump, it's probably an extra mil or 2

[frosty mango]

Well that’s not necessarily true

Over a fight window on a boss, yes

But tank damage is very relevant in compressed windows - like tangles on loom or mages on soulbinder

Or adds on Araz

[tight mural]

yeah that's fair

[solid sun]

Plus

Playing some kind of weird threat mini game instead of just pumping isn’t fun

Not fair to you so while the damage is important, additionally you and your time are also important

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural Ultimately our damage as tanks is not so relevant that if you have a dps underperforming that we as tanks are going to suddenly make up a huge disparity in boss damage and suddenly cause a new boss to die, but as was stated above there are times when our damage is very important. Case in point being scenarios where taunts are specifically required or the other tank may die. If that is the kind of situation your having with this other tank then it very likely does require attention. For example if he taunted and you ripped right back and it caused you to be killed yes that could require a discussion.

[solid sun]

Don’t feel bad asking someone to step it up so your video game can continue to be fun

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural Though I also dont know the full context of what issues the 2 of you have had tanking together so I can only speculate.

[tight mural]

no issues at all - we get along just fine. it's just this one thing and i was hesitant to bring it up because it felt like on some levels me ripping was a me problem. but i think over this discourse there's some improvements we can make that'll benefit the whole raid

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural You ripping from pure damage is certainly not a you problem

[solid sun]

@frosty mango do you play courtyard packs in DB after the last mini boss

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural There are always ways to disect the situation. Look at logs and determine what his casts are, and see what he is casting too much or what he is likely not casting enough.

@tight mural What kind of tank is the other tank btw ?

[tight mural]

prot pal

which in general i think are not super high on the damage this season

[waxen cradle]

Look at his wasted resource for example, its a good means to determine if he is wasting his holy power and not spending before he uses his holy power generators

[frosty mango]

I do not no

Fuck those packs they scary lol

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural Also look at his cooldown usage, as I said there are several things it could be so without seeing logs its really hard to say, but unless there is a very big item level difference between you 2 or unless he does not have his sets bonuses, good trinkets (and know when and how to use them), or something along those lines... it could simply be his cast order/rotation.

HATE those packs in courtyard before 2nd boss, if your interrupts are not on point or you dont have enough interrupts they hurt

[tight mural]

yeah so i don't know a ton about prot pally. but i'm looking at his logs for our last soulbinder kill, versus a top 100ish pal with a similar kill time

and his damaging abilities don't even seem similar

like this other pally has 2.5x his "lesser weapon" damage, and 2x "hammer and anvil"

our tanks top is avengers shield, the others is lesser weapon/hammer.

[waxen cradle]

What boss are you guys working on anyway

[tight mural]

ours is casting hammer of the irghteous but it's not even on the other pallys

progging m forge

[waxen cradle]

AH ok

Using hammer ? on Forge ?

[tight mural]

looking at last soulbinder kill

[waxen cradle]

Ah ok

I was about to say

He would run hammer on Soulbinder for the AoE pick up for adds guaranteed

Sorry meant Soulbinder

[tight mural]

it seems like masterwork is a big deal? this other pally has 233 charges gained, ours has 56

[mellow bridge]

Your guy literally needs to read a rotation guide and that's it

He's playing full made-up-rotation

[stuck lance]

Does shield wall stack?

[karmic plinth]

no

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural As I said easiest thing to do would be to go through logs thoroughly and figure out where is going wrong with his rotation as it sounds like quite a few places

[karmic plinth]

just have him read the rotation guide on wowhead or use the highlight tool

[tight mural]

yeap, doing this now. though this requires me figuring out how tf prot pally works haha.

[waxen cradle]

@tight mural The prot pally rotation is not that complicated but like many things it is punishing of mistakes

@tight mural That is a running theme of many tank classes, if you make a significant amount of mistakes it causes resources to be wasted, threat issues, loss of damage, and death in a lot of cases. In general you get out of it what you put in.

@tight mural The ultimate issue here is if you are the one here trying to help figure out what the problem is with how he plays his paladin, and he is not trying to figure out how he can fix the issue himself.... then there is a bigger problem.

[mellow bridge]

The triple ping

[waxen cradle]

So who is excited for there vaults of dissappointment tomorrow

[jagged pier]

u mean tomorrow

[waxen cradle]

well yeah true

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[waxen cradle]

See fixed lol

[jagged pier]

spam

it

[frosty mango]

Brace yourselves

“What do I take from vault” posts coming

[stuck lance]

What do people initiate with for big pulls (for example lust pull at start of PSF)? I’ve been losing aggro which is causing deaths. I charge group 1, then jump to ground 2 and heroic throw for 3-4-5 and drop disrupting shout when I think I’m best positioned

But overall struggling the hold aggro on the whole pull

[native ember]

cant even make this shit up ive gotten ass vaults entire season wtf

[raw parcel]

Hrm... Myth Pacemaker or Myth Shoulders. (I have hero of both already)

We're going to be able to just use dinar for trinkets soon, right? So shoulders might be the right call long term?

[steady mason]

I usually tell the group to not be dumb as I gather, then charge/clap/free proc on the first 4, jump then shield charge the knight group, pop avatar and TB as I heroic throw the 3-4-5 group near the fountain, charge to the miniboss and get into position

[stuck lance]

Thanks for this, maybe leaping isn’t the best idea as I haven’t laid down enough dps to generate threat

[tribal wharf]

i told ai to make a man paying tons of money to buy one and it made this and it is so much perfect i am so pleased

[azure crag]

Hm....not much good in here this week

I already have myth gloves, the ring's not great and the trinket is garbo

[deep iris]

Yeah, gearing warrior has felt awful this season for me. 60 runs of Priory with no Tome, 1 vault where I've taken a piece of gear that I'll use, just feels bad man.

[torpid dome]

I usually charge first pack, thunderclap them, then heroic leap to knight pack, thunderclap them. Walk a bit to charge to the fountain pack, thunderclap them, then charge on the miniboss, taunt and strafe backwards towards wall while doing rotation

But most important thing I noticed is to make sure that I thunder clap every pack of them

[jagged pier]

[stark hill]

is this trinket any good for us?

[minor aurora]

GOD BLESS THE VAULT

altough, i chose this over Netherprism

[serene galleon]

oooooooooooo myth antenna (i have myth tome + heroic ire) or myth shoulders (have heroic). tough one.

[torpid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/so-it-begins-raining-rainy-day-théoden-lord-of-the-rings-gif-16521230

[minor aurora]

myth antenna

[dense lion]

Good timing. How is Myth Antenna for Prot? I have a Hero Sac and Myth Pace I'm using now and it's coming down to Antenna or a Myth armor slot from vault

[serene galleon]

looking at logs its seeing more play. huge amount of crit proc

[errant wagon]

Is Tome still a BiS item with regards to M+? I know it sims huge in singletarget/Raid but do we care about it for M+

sims way lower in multi-target

[torpid dome]

Tome is great with perfect play

[solid sun]

It’s an S tier trinket that’s what you’re asking. It is still useful in m+ because bosses and prio targets still exist

[torpid dome]

But most of us might be betterr off sticking to antenna or pacemaker

[pastel summit]

good prio damagurs

what other trinkets you got

[errant wagon]

Rockein Hero Ire and Hero Tome ATM. Just trying to risk/reward the Arms versus prot warrior vault open

cus already have a Myth 1H and crafted shield

don't really need those drops

trying to fish for myth antenna without the crowd of tank drops

[solid sun]

You still want a myth shield

[errant wagon]

ehhh 🙁

[solid sun]

Ilvl on shield is important

[errant wagon]

my raid gruop I'm one of only 2 people who can use it figure I'll just loot it from loom kill one day

lol

[pastel summit]

I mean you might be able to snag a tome with dinars in a month or something but

Are you killing fract or soul hunters cos ire is quite nice

[errant wagon]

na not yet

been stuck on 3/8 for 2 weeks

araz dying for sure thoooo

thx for the input ❤️

eh didn't matter anyways

[mint shadow]

Should I take hero interloper boots over mythic helm, crit/haste neck, or mythic 1? (already crafted 1h). I am raiding heroic so I'll get the boots eventually probably...

[solid sun]

You take the weapon

[torpid dome]

100% take the weap

Interlopers are way overrated on pwar anyways

You take myth boots over hero interlopers

[shrewd grove]

Daaaamn. Myth Tome but also Myth weapon with haste/crit lol

[mint shadow]

Thank you 👍

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto can’t check vault for another 3.5 hours can you go ahead and put some bless on it to have myth boots

Ty ty

[steady mason]

you can get tome from dinars in a few weeks

[errant wagon]

what should we generally be crafting at this point? Just whatever low gear slot you have I guess?

[deep iris]

Is this real? Can you?

[shrewd grove]

I already have hero tome too, so I think it's definitely weapon here

[dusky canopy]

Yes and no, you would sim all your current items as crest upgrades and also create (in raid bots top gear) the potential crafted items you’re considering and compare them all

[steady mason]

specifics havent been confirmed afaik, but they said turbo boost is coming back so it seems safe to say yes

[dusky canopy]

If sim prefers you to upgrade pieces then you’d do that of course

[deep iris]

Oh thank god. I'll stop after my 60 Priory runs then, fuck that place and that droprate

[stuck peak]

finally. has leech on it too.

So no more priory

[errant wagon]

That makes sense! Thank you much

[steep pivot]

is this good ?

[shrewd grove]

Its okay

[stuck peak]

Brand and tomb. My mission is complete

I should of got pacemaker last week for m+ or at least offspec

[shrewd grove]

📈

[stuck peak]

Do you track the trinket and at max stacks hit it? or just do the use on avataR?

[dusky canopy]

Anytime, goodluck!

[shrewd grove]

Just slam it imo

[stuck peak]

that's what I thought too, sweet

to bad it's 1.5 m

[shrewd grove]

Its not like Spymaster where DPS have big ass CD windows they want to line it up with. As long as you tie it to Avatar you should get good value

It'll be every other Avatar. Probably fine

[solid sun]

@dusky canopy I require your ancient wisdom

[stuck peak]

30 seconds is probably just between packs lol

[dusky canopy]

Send it

[solid sun]

Should I work on warrior dps or rogue dps for when I’m not tanking

[dusky canopy]

It is wisdom of Zugulations that I may have to offer

[drowsy epoch]

hi how is best way to sim myself

[stuck peak]

i just use raidbots for damage

can't sim mitigation

[grizzled nova]

None of the delve trinkets are competitive, but it's not useless if it's your only option.

[dusky canopy]

Oh bro ez! Just farm heroic rings and neck for whichever offspec you want to “min/max” and go vibe

I think outlaw is cool too but very high skill ceiling

[drowsy epoch]

yea but how patchwerk 5 targets

[solid sun]

Is arms still dead

[drowsy epoch]

what time

[dusky canopy]

Nah bro you can crank as arms it’s just outclassed by fury right now in all aspects

It can still time high keys and kill mythic bosses

Play what’s fun to you

[grizzled nova]

Maybe not dead, but objectively worse than fury in both aoe and st? yes.

Slayer fury is braindead as it gets and is cranking rn.

[undone beacon]

<@&257983573498265600>

[jagged pier]

grok scam

[warm plinth]

Finally I can be rich

[undone beacon]

i cant wait to grok all over this vault

damn mods sleepin rn

Now we're all gonna die

[jagged pier]

can ppl ask grok what to take from vault

instead of in here

[warm plinth]

Get rich*

[undone beacon]

im gonna go ask chatgpt right now what to take and see what it says

my great kek

I dont proofread

[warm plinth]

I asked copilot and at first I was impressed because it asked what level keys the vault items were from, whether I wanted to focus damage or survival

[undone beacon]

okay we're cooking chat

[warm plinth]

And then when I answered it said my great vault rewards were 470 ilevel and that I should take items from grim batol and black rook hold

[undone beacon]

okay chat okay

CHATGPT TOLD ME TO SIM IT AAAAAA

[warm plinth]

That's peak ai right there

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[undone beacon]

Honestly, kind of impressed ngl

[dusky canopy]

“Sim yo self dawg dafuq”

[undone beacon]

It really said

[tribal wharf]

we are using fucking gpt to decide our vault picks now

[dusky canopy]

“Frfr 100”

[tribal wharf]

what time line even is this

[undone beacon]

i was hoping it was gonna be dumb and silly and I could point and laugh but no

I do like my 2040 leech trinket "authority of radia"

[tribal wharf]

it was programmed by yogi

[warm plinth]

I do love that it ignored crit's existence

[undone beacon]

confirmed leech >>> crit

[tribal wharf]

whatever expansion taht was that mastery was important for everyone, i hated that

panda probably

[loud wolf]

mythic tome and hero brand and bis ring, this is a tough one

[undone beacon]

Go kill soul hunters and see if it drops

[loud wolf]

ill try, last week was the first time i got there. i mostly pug everything

[minor aurora]

ring you can get from Deathless

can't you?

the ONLY one there you can only Vault it is Tome

and honestly, Pacemaker or Antenna 710 is better

without perfect play

but, sim yo self

[mellow yoke]

How you asses be getting brands buh

[loud wolf]

i'll look up how to sim, just came back to wow.

[mellow yoke]

Anytime it drops it goes to some DPS main that has never touched tank in their lives

And hitting me with i cant bro I need it

[minor aurora]

Im doing my group and kicking ALL the dps with Prot IO or loot specced.

Fuck them, i'll share with my fellow tank

and that's it

[mellow yoke]

How do u know their loot spec

[minor aurora]

i do a few bosses first and watch the rolls

[mellow yoke]

Problem is

[undone beacon]

just dont take any druids, pallies, dhs, dks, warriors, or monks

[mellow yoke]

That reduces the drop chance

Thougj

Doesnt it

[undone beacon]

No

[minor aurora]

No

[undone beacon]

Drop chances are equal to amount of people in group, not class divsersity

20% per unlocked player

[pallid olive]

How do you guys feel about Cursed Stone Idol (1 second cast with crit buff) trinket? I'd be pairing it with pacemaker. Other option is haste/vers neck. Not sure which to pick from vault. Current other trinket is so'leah.

[mellow yoke]

Alright

Might have to do that

Next week

[proud schooner]

decisions decisions

only reason is im a little low on haste

[mellow yoke]

Didnt even try to do 6/8 HC

Shame

Not minmaxxing vault

[proud schooner]

real

no passion

[undone beacon]

Didn’t even do all your world activity slots

Might as well uninstall

[mellow yoke]

He did maybe about 7 world activites

Thats probably why

[undone beacon]

7 isn’t 8 smh

[mellow yoke]

you dont get your own references

Smh

[proud schooner]

actually without flask im at 22k haste

hmm

prob just take the chest

[mellow yoke]

Need to haste maxx

[proud schooner]

real

okay yeah youre right fuck it

[loud wolf]

question when you sim things (in this case trinket) do you increase increase ilvl of the item to what you would upgrade it too?

[dusky canopy]

You can do both sure

[loud wolf]

okay thank you

[dusky canopy]

So copy the simc string right

Then select all the items you want whatever, then press the button for “upgrade all selected to max” and run the sim

Make sure you have 90 crests in the top and 2000 valor stones

That way it’ll figure out what gives you the most dps for the week

[loud wolf]

Ohh i see, thank you the info, first time doing this

[dusky canopy]

It’s generally good to reclear the raid also before making a decision

Depends on your situation

[loud wolf]

i dont have a raid team/guild yet but ill try to see how far i can go this week

[dusky canopy]

So for context what I do is,
Check vault for any obvious “I’m picking this no matter what” if that isn’t the case then I will leave the vault sit and do all of the bosses my team has on farm to see if I can get any loot. Once that’s done I will run the sim I suggested above. All potential pieces and max crest upgrades

[loud wolf]

got it

[dusky canopy]

I do this before whatever progression boss we are on because I think it’s most fair to the team to be as strong as possible on the current “wall” boss

Some people will be stingy and wait to see if they can get a desirable item off the boss they’re currently walled by if they’re close to a kill

[undone beacon]

i was dumb and reckless and grabbed a myth helm out of vault on druid forgetting that plexus drops a helm. Havent seen one drop yet but now that I took a helm of course two are gonna drop in raid kek

[mellow yoke]

Is the druid your main

[loud wolf]

that makes sense,

[undone beacon]

The other option was shoulders and that drops off loomi anyways so not a huge loss but still

[undone beacon]

for prog it is yeah, im on bear this tier

[mellow yoke]

Bear 😔

[dusky canopy]

Goodluck!

[pallid jackal]

just got my hero brand from raid, vault options are myth sac or myth helm. would a hero pacemaker be more worth than myth sac?

[loud wolf]

thank you for explaining and good luck as well.

[undone beacon]

[mellow yoke]

Sim it, but I think myth sac not worth it more than pacemaker

Not quite sure

[vestal epoch]

Can someone please post the vault prioritization? Thank you!!

[undone beacon]

#protection message

[minor aurora]

what WA/ADD you guys use to track your party offensive cds?

[mellow bridge]

omnicd

[frosty vector]

ummmmm wtf do i do, have hero tome, prism, normal brand with leech, normal reshii boots....

[raw gazelle]

Anyone know anything about ideal stat balance? Do these look alright or am I too far into vers?

for context I gear to raid

[lavish tundra]

I have a Duskthread Lining embellishment on my Shield, I should put the other on my crafted bracers correct ?

[raw gazelle]

bracers or belt for sure

[lavish tundra]

Thanks !

[jagged pier]

then u sim

and thats it

[raw gazelle]

Aight ty. Thats the "did you turn it off and back on" answer but maybe the only solution

[grizzled nova]

I mean that's the only answer

Survivability isn't an issue for raid, so "gearing for raid" means "what does the most dps in raid" to which the only answer is "sim it"

[raw gazelle]

Ya I hear you. Love me some raidbots. Maybe I fumbled the question. My question was intended to focus on stat diminishing returns. I read that haste starts falling off at 30%. Has anyone tried going for a perfect split between crit / vers / mastery?

Mastery seems slept on

[raw gazelle]

this is perfect

ty

[grizzled nova]

Printed % is a bad thing to look at for pwar, especially for haste, because all our haste talents add multiplicative flat haste % and not value.

[chrome falcon]

no offence but why are you confused here

[raw gazelle]

Okay so the haste % multipliers do not affect DR

[chrome falcon]

that's a bis trinket on myth track lol it's not a hard pick

[warm plinth]

Diminishing returns kick in from certain percentages being reached from rating. % gains (of any stat) are essentially invisible for the purpose of DR.

[chrome falcon]

maybe the myth boots because your other trinkets are good, i don't know, i would very easily pick the pacemaker and then just craft boots

[raw gazelle]

this whole DR thing starting to piss me off lol. So convoluted

[versed snow]

myth tome still a BIS?

[warm plinth]

E.g. bloodlust, mark of the wild, skyfury are all ignored for DR

[grizzled nova]

Yeah, like ITF doesn't add value or interact with the DR in any way, it's just 1.08x haste - your nominal haste value is 100%, rating is giving you some amount more, say 40%, so ITF is giving you 140 * 1.08 = 151.2 => 11.2% flat haste.

[frosty vector]

yeah i mean maybe im valuing the proc on the reshii boots too much...that was my main issue, otherwise yeah id just go pacemaker

[grizzled nova]

Same for enduring alacrity and wild strikes.

[chrome falcon]

proc on the boots is worthless for tanks, very low relevance

[undone beacon]

Reshii boots for tank turbo mid, ilvl is better

[chilly brook]

No, that’s the “this is the proper way” answer

[raw gazelle]

how about into the fray?

[warm plinth]

Anything that says "increases by x%"

There's no exception

[chilly brook]

You don’t care about stat diminishing returns

Until the robot man tells you to care

[chrome falcon]

just take the pacemaker. the only other way to get a myth track pacemaker is a turbo boost coin which is weeks away. you can just craft boots

[grizzled nova]

#protection message

[raw gazelle]

thanks for restating what i said in a snarkier way lol

[grizzled nova]

lol

[warm plinth]

In addition to that, haste percentage gains specifically (such as bloodlust or ItF) are multiplicative, not additive.

[chilly brook]

Why? Just don’t even think about it

[hard rapids]

I'm thinking helm or chest? Does it matter? I have 1 tier fragment rn

[chilly brook]

Literally just sim

[frosty vector]

done, ty

[chrome falcon]

Just sim it, probably chest though

I think that's the bis offpiece but might be getting it mixed up with something else

[hard rapids]

it's vers/mast, I have one already

[chrome falcon]

yuck

[chrome falcon]

the neck is very good too but not as important as getting myth track in a high stat budget slot

[hard rapids]

I tried simming but it is taking 30 min because of all the upgrade options

[grizzled nova]

Goresilk is haste/vers.

But honestly secondary on chest is pretty whatever.

[chrome falcon]

yeah i was pretty sure this is the case

[chilly brook]

There is no penalty to just waiting and not taking anything until the sim is done

Outside of just being impatient

[chrome falcon]

it's almost certainly chest because chest is the highest stat budget piece so getting that to myth track is stonks

[grizzled nova]

Chest is your largest mainstat and armor (which is mroe mainstat).

[hard rapids]

Thanks

[dull jungle]

Hello, how up to date is wowhead? I'm new to prot war, and a lot of yt vids are running builds with Sudden Death in it, but the wowhead talent build isn't runnig this

[chilly brook]

In what content

Because raid certainly is

[dull jungle]

M+

[warm plinth]

@raw gazelle so to figure out DR, you take these numbers and multiply by 30 to get the first DR gate. Then increase the requirement by 10% with each subsequent gate at 39%, 47%, 54%, 66%, and finally 126%. So e.g. after 30%, haste requires 660 x 1.1 = 726 rating per % until 39% where it increases to 792 per %, and so on

Keep in mind that mastery does not correspond to mastery % on your char sheet. Without diving into the whole mastery point thing, just know that it'll dr at the same rating as crit does, regardless of the % it states on your stat sheet.

[past laurel]

so ihave way to much hast

[chilly brook]

Typically Wowhead is very up to date; I’m not sure how widespread sudden death is in m+ though

[warm plinth]

It's a hybrid build between the weekly build and push build. That's all.

Well hybrid is the wrong word

[chilly brook]

But generally I’d assume for actual push keys you wouldn’t be using that

[warm plinth]

More like an intermediate

More damage than push, less damage than weekly

[dull jungle]

So i'd still likely use m+ weekly key, i'm wanting to just chill on 10's while i learn this class

[warm plinth]

Yeah there's no reason not to. I'm still using the weekly build in 13/14 keys

[dull jungle]

Thanks!

[grizzled nova]

Just depends whether you want BSV - for 99.9% of players BSV is unncessary, and taking sudden/heavy handed is an extra 5% damage over bloodborne.

Sometimes more, depends on how much rage you're dumping into execute and how judicious you are at target swapping for more execute.

[chilly brook]

It’s not just BSV

The build I’m seeing drops shield spec

Which is uhhh

[livid aurora]

Read somewhere a while back that there was a bug where warrior shield got dropped/not counted even though it was equipped?
I rarely need healing but last priory then I took tons of damage

[grizzled nova]

It's unnecessary to survive even in the highest keys being done.

[mellow yoke]

Havent experienced that

Mby its broken?

[warm plinth]

Never heard of that bug

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t make it a good idea

[warm plinth]

And not taking shield spec is an asinine decision. You're taking 7% more damage from blockable attacks for what? 2% haste?

[grizzled nova]

Sure it does, it doesn't give you any damage or utility and not taking it makes you take like ~5% more white swing damage, and we're no where close to that being a problem, and you can use that talent to get other things that give you damage or utility.

[warm plinth]

Because most of them are using the 2% haste talent

[marble halo]

🤔

[chilly brook]

Ok you’re right, our TCs are wrong

[warm plinth]

It's 7% more of any blockable attack, which is not exclusively white hits

[chilly brook]

Just like everyone who ran codex in high keys back in SL was right

[warm plinth]

I did the math on it a while ago

[chilly brook]

And then they all of a sudden realize how bad it is now

[warm plinth]

Though white hits would be enough to make it a bad idea, since that's still the highest % if your damage compared to anything else.

Of* dumb phone

[grizzled nova]

It just depends on how that gets expressed in practical application.

If I'm pulling 10 mobs all of which are meleeing me for 7% more damage but it still isn't enough to ever stop me from overcapping IP, does it really matter?

Sure I've "taken more damage" but who cares if that damage ultimately changes nothing about how I play or the outcome of the key.

[full mist]

If you’re doing that low of a key then nothing matters

[grizzled nova]

THat's currently how it is in all keys.

[full mist]

You doing 20’s?

[plush tendon]

there are literally like a dozen people doing 20s

[warm plinth]

IP doesn't prevent all damage. Even if you could have IP up 100% of the time, it'd still be a 7% increase in the damage you take even if that number is less.

The starting number is all that changes

[grizzled nova]

I'm saying that even that more damage taken isn't changing that fact that I'm going to be healed enough by IP/leech/healer cleave anyway.

and BSV may make the difference for scary mechanics.

That's why people drop that for BSV.

[chilly brook]

If you’re taking BSV

You’re acknowledging that you need survivability

[grizzled nova]

Stay a slave to the spreadsheet, then.

[steady mason]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[warm plinth]

They aren't dropping that for BSV. They're dropping it for pointless shit like enduring alacrity or bloodsurge

[chilly brook]

Dropping a rather large survivability talent for something that basically does nothing for you is silly

[near wharf]

Hi, looking for advice on best vault choice for my prot warrior, could anyone help me?

[chilly brook]

Bloodsurge is giga small

On thane

[plush tendon]

we love vaults

[near wharf]

okay gonna send a couple Screen shots

this is my current gear

[round imp]

I have a trinket issue

Got Brand(704), which is locked in.
Then i have 4 choices for slot 2

Pacemaker(704)
Tome(723)
Sacbrood(704)
Mud(704)

i havent really got survivability issues, so havent been playing with mud so im in question about the other 3

My stats:
Crit: 16253
Haste: 24295
Mastery: 1934
Vers: 8568

What would you choose?

[near wharf]

this is my vault

[chilly brook]

Errr wait isn’t it bloodbourne or w/e they’re running? I mean both aren’t amazing iirc

[plush tendon]

do you mythic raid (or just first two)/do hm weekly?

[warm plinth]

Bloodborne, bloodsurge, or enduring alacrity are the ones ive seen them using instead

[near wharf]

I can do heroic weekly, but focus more on m+

[last scarab]

Question, if i have all the execute talents, do i ALWASY prio execute as my spender or only when theres a low target count

[plush tendon]

the chest is prob best

[warm plinth]

Though bloodborne builds are usually the ones dropping the ravager node which is also stupid as fuck

[chilly brook]

In any of those the point stands so I guess doesn’t matter

[plush tendon]

biggest raw stats of armor pieces

[warm plinth]

Yeah exactly

[plush tendon]

what are the stats on that chest?

[near wharf]

Even tho my one trinket is abyssmal?

[last scarab]

in m+

[grizzled nova]

I'm just saying - rip the first pull in floodgate 16 with and without shield spec, and tell me how much difference you notice.

[near wharf]

big crit, small verse

[plush tendon]

neither of those trinkets you have in vault are good

[grizzled nova]

If you're overcapping IP and the healer is overhealing you with cleave, then that's a resource you can use for other stuff.

[plush tendon]

take the chest, be happy

and big crit/small vers is good for a chest

[past laurel]

how much is to much hast %?

as prot for keys/raid

[warm plinth]

More than you're going to get

[near wharf]

even the raid options, ritual forge etc?, and if i said I OS arms (Which i havent played yet) what do you suggest would be best option with that in mind?

[plush tendon]

those trinkets can be farmed

you cant get a mythic piece unless you mythic raid

or do HM

[near wharf]

Obviously I was hoping for brand, but didnt get lucky, or antenna

[plush tendon]

like yea, your trinkets arent great

but you can farm others

run some floodgates

maybe some gambits

[near wharf]

Shoot for pacemaker?

[plush tendon]

and do a heroic clear

[plush tendon]

prob best trinket from dungeons

though im not a fan of tome (which is also good for ST)

[near wharf]

Whats gambit going to bring me?

[plush tendon]

Soleahs

solid trinket

easy dungeon

[near wharf]

Is it that good?

[plush tendon]

its fine

better then what youhave

[near wharf]

I was thinking without brand, I was going to focus on pacemaker and idol

[lime spruce]

Is there an up to date spreadsheet / chart / desk guide out there to see what all the classes bring as far as raid buffs / major utility / stuns & interrupts

[plush tendon]

pacemaker and idol are good

[near wharf]

Okay so chest is locked in

[plush tendon]

there are actually a decent amount of good trinkets this tier

from dungeon soleas, sacrboord, tome, pacemaker, idol

then you have raid trinkets

you shouldnt have a problem getting two of those

[grizzled nova]

I dislike the lack of control, gets wasted at very inopportune times a non-zero amount of times, so'leah's/stone idol better imo.

[plush tendon]

i have a myth pacemaker and a brand

[near wharf]

Yeah i have hero sacbrood, but it just feels so bad having this sack of terror, does like 2% of my damage

[plush tendon]

yea, youll drop sac of terror soon

dont worry about it

[last scarab]

Guys quickquestion, on AOE do I prio execute if I have all the execute talents or only on single target / low target aoe

[near wharf]

Okay well thank you for the assist! I owe you

[plush tendon]

curious if anyone has tried Colossus in any keys

was thinking about trying it in a 17 Dawn

[near wharf]

Actually 1 more quick question, how good is the delve belt vs my hero crit/haste one

[plush tendon]

sim, but a 710 belt should beat out delve belt

heck, 704 might as well

[near wharf]

Dope, thank you, I figured the stats were prob worth more

[chilly brook]

I feel like we've been down this road several times, the last one was when Yoda last season was running the deep wounds heal over the IP contribution, logs and actual practice once again backed the TCs in here

[grizzled nova]

I just don't get the bloodsurge/alacrity do very little => not worth dropping shield spec argument.

Like I get mathematically that dropping shield spec makes you take more damage, but if dropping it changes literally nothing, then why not drop it for something that does anything

[chilly brook]

#protection message

[grizzled nova]

"if you want to die"

prot warriors in 21's not using the talent, not dying

interesting

[solid sun]

It doesn’t change literally nothing. It changes how much damage you take

[chilly brook]

Sure you can focus on that

[grizzled nova]

But if it doesn't make me change a pull or a healer change how many GCDs they use on me, then what does it ultimately matter?

[chilly brook]

Or you can focus on a 1% gain for 7% more damage taken

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled nova]

Like if the extra damage you're taking is just eating into overcapped IP and overhealing from the healer anyway, quite literally who cares?

[chilly brook]

and the 1% extra damage does anything meaningful?

[plush tendon]

I legit just run this every key; works totally fine

[solid sun]

It matters that you’re willingly taking more damage for a damage increase that matters even less than what you think your increased amount of damage taken matters

[grizzled nova]

Yes -1% more damage

lol

[chilly brook]

and how many globals did that save you on the pack?

how much faster did you do the boss?

Like bro

come on lmao

you can't use that logic for the defensive loss

and then ignore it on a dps gain

[plush tendon]

I feel like you can just run that build, and spend more time learning the dungeons and practicing strats and routing and interrupt/cc rotations

thats where youll make the biggest gains

[jagged pier]

if your not dying to damage why not just run the execute build and do damage

[steady mason]

there are tons of different places you can choose to optimize for in wow

[jagged pier]

if shield spec isnt making a difference BSV wont ither

[chilly brook]

Like you're literally talking like a 40k gain overall

[steady mason]

these conversations are so funny because its people talking past one another

[chilly brook]

that's nothing

in terms of damage

[plush tendon]

well im doing 17s now and, quite frankly, not yet comfortable with some of the damage intake XD

gotta get reps in

[steady mason]

BSV does a better job at protecting from spikes of damage, shield spec lowers average damage

[chilly brook]

spikes of damage happen from bad play

[jagged pier]

u get less spikes if u take less damage on average amd spiked damage should be stopped with SW

[steady mason]

both very true statements

lol

[jagged pier]

yer thats fine, but someone the other day told me in 17s living is just keeping SB and IP up

but refused to use execute build

so i dunno if thats just the case run the execute build

[plush tendon]

i think some keys may be like that for parts of it

[chilly brook]

willingly choosing to take 7% more damage in keys to the most common damage type for a 40k dps gain overall is silly

[plush tendon]

but there are pulls where you really should be rotating your defensives

[steady mason]

is there "% the Spreadsheet" title available in game?

[plush tendon]

probably the hardest tank dungeon from my experience is Dawn

Eco damage intake isnt bad

if you know how to avoid Sent Arcane Slash

and the gloom bites

[solid sun]

I hope everyone avoids gloom

Gloom does, indeed, bite

[plush tendon]

yea, if people dont know yet

the gloom bites from the creepers in eco can be outranged

by walking two steps away when they cast

[solid sun]

I meant gloom the emotion

[plush tendon]

oh

Im talking about important things

like WoW mechanics

[sterile orbit]

tacticians from dawn hurt 🙁

[jagged pier]

do u know what there prime source of damage is?

[plush tendon]

there are like two pulls in Dawn where im scared

its the pull right after first boss (less for me, and more because of group damage and invisible mechanics)

and then the pull on the ramparts

this pull is nasty... but I think the Tactitican is the easy part

its the four fucking shadowstalkers

[solid sun]

Is the tactician the mob that does the big purple frontal

[jagged pier]

u can split that if u want

[solid sun]

And if you dodge it they just don’t really do any damage to you

[plush tendon]

no, we send

we are men

[jagged pier]

then u shouldnt be scared, or complain

men dont do ither of that

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

a man can only be brave if hes afraid

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

oh, and I can complain about invisible lines in Dawnbreaker

fucking Z axis

[steady mason]

“Being brave doesn’t mean you aren’t scared. Being brave means you are scared, really scared, badly scared, and you do the right thing anyway.”

[sterile orbit]

oh maybe its the shadowstalkers that hurt then the tacts idk but i get smacked doing db trash

[undone beacon]

real men hate themselves

[plush tendon]

you pull so much cancer

[undone beacon]

6 includes that one guy idk why the graphic bugged

[undone beacon]

i like swirly shadow boys

[plush tendon]

I dont

those guys are nasty for group damage

[undone beacon]

i need to reroute but honestly its what I did season 1 and im just lazy

[plush tendon]

do you chain pull 8 onto the first mini boss?

[undone beacon]

oh 7 and 8 should be reversed

[plush tendon]

I do this

[undone beacon]

I chain it once shadow eles are dead

[solid sun]

All of that scares me more than the courtyard

[plush tendon]

pull 14 is during third boss intermission

[sterile orbit]

wait what 3rd boss intermission

[undone beacon]

I dont know if i trust enough to do a pack during intermission

[sterile orbit]

rasharan?

[plush tendon]

yea

the cast he does when he lands

doesnt scale

it does piss all for damage

easy way to gain some time

since you are chilling at that arena twindling your thumbs for like 30 seconds

might as well kill some trash

would I do it in a weekly 12 pug?

prob not; people would get lost

but if you pushing a decent key level, people should be somewhat aware of the tech

[lunar flower]

how hard is it to fly back to the boss, i fear people randomly dying

[dense cradle]

my favorite part of dawnbreaker vault keys

is finding new ways to bug through the boat

[undone beacon]

last week everytime i flew after the 2nd pack in the dungeon i got launched into the back of the boat

was cool

[plush tendon]

from my personal testing, no one has ever died

the one risk you run though is that if someone dies during the trash... you have to bres

[solid sun]

When I run dawnbreaker people die to all kinds of things

Maybe a mob flew off to never land and is now sniping the healer the entire key

[steady mason]

have you timed a key with less than 30 seconds left that way?

[plush tendon]

no, timer on Dawn has been fine so far

just learning to deal with some bugs and packs

but might as well practice it

I aint Allen Iverson over here; ya boi needs practice

[solid sun]

Are you fighting inside a safe zone

[steady mason]

seems the kind of thing thatll only matter for title keys

[plush tendon]

well, thats what were aiming for

not saying its necessary for most keys

but its cool tech

[steady mason]

definitely a cool strategy

[lofty warren]

In dawn I sometimes end up flying through airship boat instead of landing on platform and fall to my death

[plush tendon]

like have you seen Kira's group do Big Momma in floodgate

its so clean; they all stack on the wall and have all the adds land on top of each other

requires coordination and for sure cant bring that into a pug

but I love stuff like that

[lime spruce]

he's playing a different game from me

it's crisp to watch and I love it

[plush tendon]

yea, they are so clean with their strats

[lime spruce]

but yeah it's very different from pug world xD TANK???

[lofty warren]

If you have a buffed mt blast and avatar available should you always use mt blast and then avatar?

[lime spruce]

my brother in Christ you said los pull and then didn't wait half a global to pop

[plush tendon]

I usually play with people and pug maybe one or two spots if we dont have all 5 online

[lime spruce]

does anyone else here struggle to remember which murlocs to pull in early Gambit trash, I cannot get that route right and worst of all I can't practice it either

[plush tendon]

but just having everyone in comms and talking through routes and strats makes a world of difference

and keys actually get super fun

[heavy sparrow]

2 seconds yeah

[plush tendon]

I pull these

pull 1 is just about making sure people get kicks

honestly, pull 3 is the scariest of the bunch (this honestly might be a situation where you chain after casters die)

and I also skip both starseers at the end

cause we usually are rolling up with all CDs and what not after dragon boss, and I want the group to send on the 5 pack

[lime spruce]

by the titans a comprehensible route for Gambit trash

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-blessing-blessed-bless-gif-25991585

[plush tendon]

yea, I cant stress enough that pull 3 feels REALLY bad

[lofty warren]

There are routes where the fat man that walks around isn't pulled

Only the fisg

[plush tendon]

lots of casters

[spark kestrel]

truu

[steady mason]

piercing howl helps keep the murlocs in for better cleave when they start running away

[plush tendon]

not too concerned with little murlocs running

Im only concenred about fishmancers running and casting from range

those mobs are the reason youll wipe those pulls

[lime spruce]

How I feel trying to transpose threechest EZ routes into real life

[lofty warren]

I tried doing pull 4 + the 4 guys down the stairs and that didn't work the Murlocks kept self healing and it took forever

[plush tendon]

[plush tendon]

yea, dont do that

you can chain murlocs into the 4 guardians

only after fishmancers are dead

but we pull those guardians onto the first boss

cancer for melee.... but theyll learn

[lofty warren]

Why do you fight the tall fat men with the fish instead of skipping

[plush tendon]

%

this is our full route

pull 6-7-8-9 is a big chain pull; rule of thumb is no more then 2 casters and limit the number of officers (they hurt your party)

[indigo hawk]

And how do you make the skip ?

[plush tendon]

the starseer skip?

I just taunt, pull away, party runs by

[lofty warren]

How you get past the 2 guys in last room

[plush tendon]

and then leap+meld pot

[lofty warren]

Ohh. Wonder what is more annoying. Those 2 guys in last room or the tall guys with the murlocks

[plush tendon]

100% those last guys

but in a weekly key, you just pull the starseer

you add starseer and remove a murloc pack from pull 3 (or pull 4, doesnt really matter)

[lofty warren]

If you have a buffed mt blast and avatar available should you always use mt blast and then avatar since it resets cd?

[plush tendon]

yes

[indigo hawk]

You can in fact do that same with thunderclap

[lofty warren]

Icyveins says tb is number one priority but when I look at prioriry list for st and aoe I see other things above it.

Am I reading it wrong?

Like here is the aoe priority for mt

Tb all the way down at 6

[deep iris]

I'm guessing it's because the others are long CDs and the damage boost from Booming Voice would top the TB prio

[lofty warren]

So when tb procs it's not really number one priority. It is just number 6 priority

[deep iris]

There's a bit of nuance involved. Like, for instance, you'd want to use TB procs before popping Avatar so you're not wasting stacks, but you don't want Avatar to sit off cooldown for very long.

For the simplest terms, TB is your #1 prio on what I could consider regular attacks, but the other big CDs would be higher prio, but you're only pressing those once every 45-60 seconds.

[jagged gust]

Also good to remember nuance like that is the difference between a 98 and a 99 parse

[minor lark]

My vaults are usually dogshit, so having a BiS trinket is nice

But getting my weekly myth gear seems more important?

The gauntlets, can catalyze them I meant*

oh wait its champ brand

[lofty warren]

Myth bis trinket seems good imo. But should sim yoself before you wreck yoself

[minor lark]

Yep thats the planm

[lofty warren]

Hero stuff can be farmed I m+ but myrhic trink cant

[minor lark]

Week 1 I got myth tier-piece chest, but saw Tome and just lept for it

It was only hero tier...

[lofty warren]

Ohhhh then I'd say go for a myrhic item and not even consider hero items.

Againe hero stuff can be farmed

[minor lark]

Yeah thats my call here

I will forever be stung by picking a hero trinket week 1. Hard lesson learned

Cheers

[jagged grove]

Got myself the hunters boots in heroic vault but got a nice mythic ring in my dungeon vaults, my rings are dogshit rn, are the boots that broken?

already raided and didnt get them

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

the boot effect is not that impactful for tanks

[round pendant]

interesting +10 floodgate

[cedar egret]

who was tanking, pala or druid?

[lofty glen]

well i think 162k from heal is also waaaay to less

[jagged grove]

Hahaha ur right, did so and went for the ring

[toxic pewter]

am i wrong or do this actually look kinda badass LOL

[jagged pier]

new sets are based

[toxic pewter]

ngl

may spend 30 lmao

[toxic pewter]

ya damn

[jagged pier]

[toxic pewter]

that badass

[frosty mango]

The set is great

Being a vulpera is criminal

[lusty grotto]

yeah it looks sick

hey

https://tenor.com/view/jailer-vulpera-jailer-vulpera-vulpera-facefuck-gif-22470276

[toxic pewter]

I am worlds number 1 vulpera arms warrior in solo shuffle seasons 2 and 3 the war within thank you very much

[lofty warren]

Is thay the $30 appearance?

[lusty grotto]

thats apb in the gif

[jagged pier]

theres like 8 appearance btw

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[frosty mango]

Prob the worlds only vulpera arms warrior in solo shuffle

[toxic pewter]

lol

i will have u know theres at least like 6-9 of us

;D

[lofty warren]

I thought it was illegal to be anything except for dwarf

[toxic pewter]

I mean

I chose vulpera in bfa and i stick with my little guy

I have been through too much to give up on em now

I lived through the deep vulperaphobia of the last 5 years

[lusty grotto]

looks good, but not 30 bucks good

[jagged pier]

it aint 1 set

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know

[jagged pier]

its multiple and like 20 weps

best pack they have released in terms of value probably

[lusty grotto]

i dont disagree

i just aint paying 30 on top of a subscription

[lofty warren]

Back in my day cosmetic were earned in game not with credit card

[lusty grotto]

if wow was F2P i would probably buy it

[lofty warren]

At least it's not pay to win stuff

[toxic pewter]

i use in game gold to buy crap anyway

if i do buy stuff

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[toxic pewter]

but yeah hmmm

[lofty warren]

I would pay $20 for blizz to tell me the s tier tank(s) for each patch and they need to be valid for like at least 2 months no massive tuning after they take my money

[solid sun]

Are profs relatively profitable

Prob depends on which ones

[toxic pewter]

at start of xpac yes especially i made 17 mil gold in beginning of war within

[lusty grotto]

yup

[toxic pewter]

so it funds me throughout xpac and i buy game midnight diablo 4 etc

[lusty grotto]

right now they are whatever, the time investment is too big

[solid sun]

What do you find to be the big money ones

Gathering?

[lusty grotto]

none

gathering least of all

you cant compete with farmer groups

[solid sun]

Well when midnight releases

[lusty grotto]

oh sure

gathering, alchemy, enchanting

[plush tendon]

the best way to make gold in WoW.... is to already have gold

[lusty grotto]

lw/smith/tailor/jc do well after that, after a while anyway and sometimes only if you have specific recipes

[plush tendon]

buy up all the settings

and reprice them way higher

[cerulean tusk]

Best way to get gold?

[lusty grotto]

yeah augusto is right

[cerulean tusk]

Sell boosts

[plush tendon]

its not just me who noticed that settings went from like 400 gold to 2k

[lofty warren]

I used to make millions selling boosts but blizz killed the discords now idk how to become a booster anymore 🙁

[plush tendon]

boosts are also a great way to make gold

the weekly boosts are ok

[heavy sparrow]

Can confirm. Bought a ton at like 600g last season and somehow sold them all for 3.9k each

[solid sun]

Idk how to boost and I doubt my friends are good enough

[lofty warren]

How to become a booster now?

[plush tendon]

but the real gold comes from selling high resil keys or the mythic raid

[cerulean tusk]

Week 1, weekly 10 keys

[lofty warren]

I see ppl with their automated selling spams

[plush tendon]

yea week 1 weekly 10s are good

but its such a short window

[cerulean tusk]

1 week of work, got enough to buy the next expansion

fgm

[lofty warren]

I see ppl with their automated selling spams. How to become a booster for the boosts they are spamming?

[plush tendon]

for the vast majority of players, its unironically easier to make wow gold by getting a part time job

and buying it through tokens

[lusty grotto]

pepega is threading dangerously close to bannable territory

[lofty warren]

How? Isn't boosting legal?

[coarse bay]

A lot of the spammers are for RMT or just straight up scams

[cerulean tusk]

Boosting is "legal", as in it isnt in breach of ToS. But, your group must play with the guy who is advertising and it can only be done in approved channels and methods

[lusty grotto]

so were the discords that closed

and then this guy is dumb enough to say he was in one

[plush tendon]

the discords are still open

[lusty grotto]

the discords that closed*

[plush tendon]

WoW Market discord shows a bunch of them

[coarse bay]

There are plenty of boosting discords still

[lusty grotto]

reading comprehension

[plush tendon]

regardless, to get into boosts, you do need pretty significant score

[cerulean tusk]

Hah

[lofty warren]

Oh ok wow market sounds the new one

[coarse bay]

Not really

Depends on the level

[plush tendon]

well, you can have like 3100 and start, but there is preference for higher score people

[coarse bay]

Ya big score big gold

[plush tendon]

and you would compete with other people more at lower IO

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[plush tendon]

but if you are like a 3500 IO tank, you can get into boosts pretty easily

still, probably better to just get a part time job and buy a token

[jagged pier]

i used to boost before communities in legion that was where the money was made

and ppl would buy boosts for like a +2

[lofty warren]

How is wow market any different from the old discords?

[plush tendon]

I made my gold in WoD

[neon elk]

Ngl boosting for comunity as a nonteam player is pain in ...

[jagged pier]

its fine

i did it in SLs

was bants because 'warrior is bad'

[plush tendon]

the real gold for boosting is made by advertisers

[jagged pier]

and then u suprise them all with doing more damage

than all the dps

[plush tendon]

I did lots of boosts in BFA

[neon elk]

From my experience u just sit in discord waiting for your turn a lot

[plush tendon]

^ 100%

[cerulean tusk]

4th rate booster, smh

[plush tendon]

it trickles down

[lofty warren]

I got the brutosaur from boosting bfa

[jagged pier]

which ever one i was in u just signed up

and it was insta

[lusty grotto]

so did i

i still have gold from bfa boosting

a lot of it

[plush tendon]

Id rather there just be market controls

settings costing 2k now

is stupid

enchants are like 4k

gems are like 3k

[neon elk]

Well thats nice, the one i tried back in the day worked like first come first serve but teams always had prio , so u just sat in DC and spam your role on each offered run , was hella boring

[lofty warren]

Any others other than wow market? I didn't know that one

[jagged pier]

yer prices are insane right now

[plush tendon]

costs legit 15k to set up a ring

[lapis tapir]

i feel like there is only one choice but what do you think?

[plush tendon]

like, its not even worth on my alts

[coarse bay]

I think wowmarket for the most part is just a place for communities and teams to advertise, it isnt really a boosting community on its own

[plush tendon]

run HM first

but that neck is so juicy

[plush tendon]

wait a minute... those bracers

https://tenor.com/view/whatarethose-shoes-gif-4488681

[lapis tapir]

i have heroic helm and chest, with a cata charge avail. that ring doesnt seem so great, but ya that neck is what im thinking. lol i can never get a drop and im too cheap to buy the green for a 15 ilvl upgrade

[lofty warren]

If i want to do boosting but don't want to advertise is it wow market? I assume everyone else that is boosting isn't also advertising on their own

[sterile orbit]

xdddddd

[coarse bay]

You find and join a discord and apply

[lofty warren]

Which ones?

[plush tendon]

homie, you must have the free heroic craft

XD

or some delve gear

[lofty warren]

On wow market all I see is ppl selling

[lapis tapir]

it will be my next craft lol trust me and i have about 70k undercoin now and not a single warbound plate wrist

[lusty grotto]

i need to make a bot that automatically mutes any vault picture and question on tuesdays and/or either auto replies with my post or with a sim gif

could be a useful experiment

[plush tendon]

yea, but then you cant see peoples 636 bracers

[lusty grotto]

dont care

[plush tendon]

hamster war no fun

[lusty grotto]

no i just momentarily forgot it was tuesday

now i gotta get this thing out #protection message

and this

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[jagged pier]

i mean there hasnt been that many questions today

[lusty grotto]

thats why i momentarily forgot

[plush tendon]

you should also add to run HM or Mythic raid farm before choosing

[lusty grotto]

people cant just "run HM"

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

easy for you

[jagged pier]

u also forgor

[lusty grotto]

not for the rest of us puggers

[plush tendon]

are people pugging HM?

[lusty grotto]

either way

[plush tendon]

I could use it on my alts

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[lusty grotto]

that goes without saying

[plush tendon]

not enough people want to run it anymore

[nocturne spindle]

get some high io people for it

[plush tendon]

[nocturne spindle]

and just zug through all the mechanics

[dense cradle]

Just get good vault gear that you cant spend crests on hm gear

thats the cope

[plush tendon]

Im already gilded craft starved

I need like 2 weeks of no mythic gear to be fully upgraded

[dense cradle]

Yeah i just didnt bother early on since i didnt have gear to upgrade

mythic chest head and 2 trinkets ate a bunch

[coarse bay]

I havent opened my vaults yet, theoretically, what should i choose?

[plush tendon]

put all the items on a spinner wheel and let RNG decide

[coarse bay]

Amen

[lusty grotto]

obligatory alt vault tagging @undone beacon

[coarse bay]

Ive run like 30 streets/gambit for neck/rings and am still using s2 crafted. Im feeling lucky

[frosty mango]

My alt had the best vault

[undone beacon]

could be worse, myth tier slots

[lusty grotto]

yeah chest is the go to

[undone beacon]

big ethergauze gaming, big stam time

[lusty grotto]

but ethergauze looks tasty

[frosty mango]

roidsham vault top tier

[lusty grotto]

nice

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto bear vault

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-damn-gif-21840770

[lusty grotto]

so far roid alt winning

[frosty mango]

my sham higher ilvl than my main

[lusty grotto]

ok roid vault wins

[undone beacon]

I took the helm out of instinct to replace my champ helm but now im kicking myself because I forgot first boss drops a leather helm lolol

Whatever I can get shoulders off loomi but STILL

[frosty mango]

tasty crit haste one too

[undone beacon]

Either way it would go in the catalyst but still

a fool i was, a hasty fool

[lofty warren]

You only need 4 pieces of tier tp get benefit so one piece can be tier less

[lusty grotto]

i have chosen the chest

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/fool-took-fool-of-a-took-gandalf-pippin-gif-5998055

[lusty grotto]

for lil dhchip

[undone beacon]

Hell yeah

Watch two helms are gonna drop on plexus kill and nobody is gonna need em and I’m gonna weep

[lusty grotto]

that ethergauze though maybe i will see it again, once i have other b etter trinkets

[lofty warren]

Aldrich reaper 🤮

[dense cradle]

does ethergauze do big dam

doesnt look like it every time i try

[lusty grotto]

compared to what

[dense cradle]

Idk i know its less than tome or brand

but like to most trinkets

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

its a personal consideration not a recommendation

[dense cradle]

I got one hero first delvers bounty on the dk

but that character has tome and sac

already

[lusty grotto]

ok then

[dense cradle]

Idk i just wasnt impressed by ether’s damage

when i saw it

[lusty grotto]

maybe thats why

its B tier

you would think?

also its my alt

[dense cradle]

its b tier huh

[lusty grotto]

so 🤷‍♂️

[dense cradle]

didnt expect

that versa proc trinket sims real well on mine

[elder crag]

I think the heroic tomb is the right call, am I wrong?

[lusty grotto]

here we go

Jakey you see that?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

read, or

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

i was ready

oh fuck thats a heroic vault

brand is the call there

[lofty warren]

B tier low

[lusty grotto]

is that champ track? i cant tell

hey guys

guess what i got

[sterile orbit]

tome?

jersey mikes?

[lusty grotto]

i dont open as prot so no

but i certainly got

3

fucking

myth track

chests

too bad i need boots for fury still

[dense cradle]

nice shoes

[lusty grotto]

this is a wait for raid angle

if there ever was one

[dense cradle]

same

funny thing is when my vault choice also both options drop from the same boss

[jagged pier]

cant wait to get only myth tier armour i already ahve tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

[jagged pier]

wasted my tome roll on monk

so not ever seeing that

[lusty grotto]

fuck man

[jagged pier]

yes

[lusty grotto]

you know whats funny is, im opening DH's vault as vengeance so you know hes gonna get brand before i do

and/or tome like your monk

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[lusty grotto]

ive been secretly hoping to get a 2h so i can stop opening vaults as fury

sorry, arms

[elder crag]

thats a champion brand but thank you for pinging the thread you posted from earlier!

[sterile orbit]

dam thats a lot of chests

[azure crag]

I hope when blizzard nukes addons from orbit, I can still have a plater addon to tell me when I've lost aggro on a mob by changing the color of its name plate

[last scarab]

i feel like the success of a key isnt reliant on me its mostly reliant on the healer / dps