but again if surviving is not an issue why are we running BSV
#protection
cerulean tusk
About 5% with tons of small fast hitting guys. About 2% overall in a key
Main positive is the passive reliable threat gen it grants
Its alright, I wouldn't take it if I minmax. But to make chill keys more chill? I like it
There are no o.2 attack speed gnolls this season sadly 
jagged pier
Hmm at %2 it may be better than bloodbounre, not as pc, funky sim it for me kthnks
I suppose thats overall tho, bloodbourne would be better on st i suppose and not far behind on aoe as a guess
vital vale
if tough as nails worked like guardian artifact it would be cool (so the thorns damage it does would be aoe)
multiplicative damage
rough nest
TaN reads better than it feels
torpid dome
On Prio,
Wouldn't it be worth it to spec into wrecking throw? Or does it not provide enoguh advantage for the shields on the mini boss + final boss?
hmm meh nvm not worth it with what you need to give up
tulip remnant
Imo tanks should tech pretty much exclusively for trash. Unless a boss has a must answer mechanic. Let stuff like Dev Evoker run their shield break if it’s actually needed.
polar patio
i know at 22k haste we tend to go for itf, currently i try to aim for stable 25k, at what point do i run into crit dr? so i know when to go for more vers / crit or crit /vers gems
polar patio
TaN reads better than it feels
if TaN would actually be a good Talent i could live the dream, but its exactly why it will never be good. Cant have people afk sit hyperspawns again
livid aurora
Which race is best dps wise for Prot warrior? Dwarf / Tauren for the 2% crit damage?
karmic plinth
when bloodmallet used to have sims lightforged was ahead on 1 target
hardy snow
Which race is best dps wise for Prot warrior? Dwarf / Tauren for the 2% crit dam...
differences between racials are irrelevant
polar patio
One other thing that is extremely irrelevant
1,4m hp wont save no dps if they get hit
azure magnet
This might be a wild question - should you always taunt on pull if you're the starting tank on boss and build from there?
We're progging NK atm and constantly having our warr complain the monk is ripping it resulting in inconsistent movement to begin the fight (plethora of other issues such as falling over but bit easier to identify that)
Never somethign I've had to concern myself with as RL prior to this
karmic plinth
you defo should
azure magnet
Aware its not log review channel but I'll fire it in anyway in case I'm misinterpreting but I don't see taunt debuff on boss at pull (spot checking others you don't see the cast but boss debuff as they use it to pull I assume)
hardy snow
This might be a wild question - should you always taunt on pull if you're the st...
Monk have weird tierset, if warrior have bad luck with their tier and monk have crazy procs of theirs, they will probably rip agro. But as I've noticed Nexus-King is quite wierd at begining, he seems to reset agro after the fight truly begins. Even if it was just my erronous feeling, they can easily taunt after the boss starts fighting (after first cast when he stays and do nothing but cast). In general if there are no heavy debuffs, like on fractilus, they should watch agro and taunt before tankbuster they are supposed to take in case of agro issues. Also using taunt to start fight isnt good imo, you lose part of it to get to the boss.
fathom oasis
In retail taunt actually increases your aggro generation for a while, doesnt it? Also, just taunt as soon as you connect to boss, since it's off GCD
Dont use it to actually pull
warped badge
what would you guys take?
im not rainding mythic on this char
and i wanna push high keys with it?
saw not so many ppl play tome in pretty high keys?
hardy snow
In retail taunt actually increases your aggro generation for a while, doesnt it?...
Yea, thats why its not good to taunt to start the fight. You waste part of that increase to get to the boss.
fathom oasis
Yea, thats why its not good to taunt to start the fight. You waste part of that ...
You should be meleeing the boss as soon as pull timer hits 0
I don't see why you would lose uptime on taunt if you use it as soon as you connect to the boss
If casters are precasting and hitting boss before pull time hits 0, that's them messing up
hardy snow
I don't see why you would lose uptime on taunt if you use it as soon as you conn...
I've meant pressing taunt to start the encounter. After that you still have to go to the boss, charge etc., and thats the uptime of increase you're losing.
I prefer to start with charge to get some additional rage at start for the SB
hardy snow
yea, thats enough for first SB
fathom oasis
Charge avatar shield block taunt as you connect to boss
Then go from there
At least for bosses you can charge on pull
Dimensius is weird in that sense
You should charge a bit before pull timer hits 0, so when it does hit 0 you "arrive"
hardy snow
You should charge a bit before pull timer hits 0, so when it does hit 0 you "arr...
Boss is pulled when you start charge, not when you finish it.
azure magnet
Monk have weird tierset, if warrior have bad luck with their tier and monk have ...
Okay thanks for the detailed response.
Opener above looks relatively fine to you then?
fathom oasis
Boss is pulled when you start charge, not when you finish it.
You just chage at 0.5 and taunt as you fly. Kinda oldish clip I found on my feed:
https://youtu.be/e-7Rum6gnyU?si=tsk3iwg6uE12qjKD&t=48s
remote hollow
guys does somebody know why my game keeps resetting my graphics setting? like i dont want it to be on ultra-high and low fps
all the time it turns settings to high from what i set (mid-low)
wise quest
all the time it turns settings to high from what i set (mid-low)
maybe you have some addon that does this?
remote hollow
maybe you have some addon that does this?
im not certain... maybe
but again which addon could do that..
hardy snow
maybe whole UI addon (elvui etc.) or some WA for some settings?
wise quest
not sure, maybe bloated addons like elvui, there are also fps optimizer addons i have seen people use.
strong forum
are u using nvidia geforce experience
torpid dome
On Naazindhri Mythic, do you guys just lust on pull, or lust on the first time you get the add-release?
jagged pier
Pull
steady mason
all the time it turns settings to high from what i set (mid-low)
i think theres a setting that dynamically adjusts your settings, so it might be increasing them in m+ where theres less oging on and not reverting back when you get to dorn/load into a raid
maybe I was thinking of this, which does the opposite you're describign
dry skiff
guys does somebody know why my game keeps resetting my graphics setting? like i ...
target Fps allows the game to reduce graphic setting as well as resolution when your fps drops below a certain point. and basically game freezes when screen is being adjusted to new resolution
makes it worse
group took all instrument and left drums for me. never have i micro managed so hard before in my life
i replaced all my revenges with the drum
strong forum
Yeah target FPS does actually more harm than good
steady mason
in my mind I was suggesting to turn off the setting if it was on, but that was definitely unclear
steady mason
foreground is an fps cap while running the game. background is for if you alt+tab a lot, it can reduce system usage while the game isnt in focus
solid sun
gotcha
strong forum
They are however also poorly done for wow
You're better off using 3rd party fps limiters
Which is quite ironic
round pendant
Pretty common that
wow has nvidia reflex though so you can just enable that and disable the frame cap afaik
and it should be decent frame pacing
but I limit everything to 141fps via driver so
strong forum
I just leave it uncapped cuz wow will never ever reach my monitor frequency
kind urchin
You rockin 500hz?
lusty grotto
target fps is a trap
but
max foreground/max background work
again, ideally you wanna limit with your GPU driver
instead of that, but im lazy
since im at 180Hz, i just cap at 179fps
quartz prism
Newish to prot warrior, but not tanking, noticed in one of my AK10s last night I completely fell over to the double flyer pack in the basement, mostly the DoTs stacking far too quickly and just unable to mitigate it.
Is this something pwarr has to navigate more carefully, a skill issue, or not enough information to tell?
lusty grotto
gotta get displled
but youll dispel yourself with avatar
thats a healer issue
dwarf also works
as will freedom and tiger's lust
as will mass dispel if you have an SP
small steeple
well, SOMEONE is definitely cooking
quartz prism
I did notice I got to 20 stacks twice very very quickly. I know my healer was recording the run so i'll watch it back and see when those got sent through.
Almost guaranteed i didnt hold my avatar for that, thats a good tip for next time, thank you.
lusty grotto
the Drones apply the stacks on hit
the more you pull, and the less you parry, the more stacks youll get
small steeple
Hi Nim, so you got the trinkets I assume
quartz prism
the more you pull, and the less you parry, the more stacks youll get
Hmm on my other tanks i usually take the caster, 7 drones, and both flyer packs down the stairs a bit.
Maybe i'll just stagger the second flyer pack, or just pull them into the next pack if i keep having problems
solid sun
I’ve never had an issue with double flyers in a 10
mellow bridge
I did notice I got to 20 stacks twice very very quickly. I know my healer was re...
i wouldnt really hold avatar for that
you'll naturally dispell a few stacks and that's good enough
lusty grotto
yes never hold avatar
lusty grotto
Hmm on my other tanks i usually take the caster, 7 drones, and both flyer packs ...
its not the flyers
its the drones, the little ground guys
you shouldnt have to stagger anything
your healer needs to know how to dispel
not early, but at 7-8 stacsk
remote hollow
target Fps allows the game to reduce graphic setting as well as resolution when ...
will try to turn it off
thanks
tawny knot
Is anyone else getting random 30 sec lag spikes or game freezes? Really annoying when tanking keys.
dusky canopy
Did they ban adds on soulbinder and forge yet!?
high latch
Did they ban adds on soulbinder and forge yet!?
You mean Warcraftlogs? The polls are still ongoing
dusky canopy
Ye hoping they do
solid sun
Why you want them banned
I think they’re still going to spawn even if warcraftlogs bans them
I don’t think the adds care
dusky canopy
Fury doesn’t do burst aoe well anymore we’re sustained now and the adds just get nuked so I’d rather them not be included in logs just like they did for rashanan adds when fury was good at that
lime urchin
felt pretty good lately playing MT
then I looked at the logs
ill go sit in the corner in shame
solid sun
It’s one thing to waste rage
It’s another to waste rage and then advertise it
Now we know what you’re doing!
Or not doing!
lime urchin
lusty grotto
Is anyone else getting random 30 sec lag spikes or game freezes? Really annoying...
this is usually caused by bad or outdated WAs, update your addons as well
plush tendon
if you think about it, wasting 2500 rage is the same as missing 62 casts of ignore pain
and 250 seconds of CDR on Avatar
consequenlty means you also didnt get the extra rage gen from Avatar and thunderblast procs
lime urchin
Yes very sad
lusty grotto
speaking of which
does anyone's Liquid Reminders explode with errors?
i have to turn it the fuck off in keys cause it does exactly what the other guy was complaining about
ionic raptor
what are the sim configs for prot warr?
mellow yoke
does anyone's Liquid Reminders explode with errors?
I have to update those every 6 hours it feels like
Always got some uodate
Update
lunar flower
how do y'all deal with shadowblades debuff in dawnbreaker?
lusty grotto
how do y'all deal with shadowblades debuff in dawnbreaker?
reflect
lusty grotto
no, you just reset stacks
or it helps to reset them
and the MDR helps for every hit
ionic raptor
spell reflect shockwave, kite with leap
ionic raptor
ye
ionic raptor
if your team is good tho you shouldnt need to reset stacks, a small cc chain should be enough to reset them
ionic raptor
shockwave + anything at all usually resets stacks
lunar flower
gotcha, thanks
plush tendon
wait, yall dont just get to 80% heal reduction and pray the pack is dead before you fall over?
lusty grotto
the what now
plush tendon
from this pull
dim token
is there an addon where u can rate someone after each run, so u can remember how much u liked that player for LFG in the future?
plush tendon
solid sun
I don’t do that pull
lusty grotto
ok but why didnt you just call it shadowblades
thats exactly what we're talking about
just reflect (TM)
plush tendon
because a couple of shadowblade stacks is whatever
lusty grotto
Reminder for non Augustos, you can look at this information in the pinned sheet by Sense or Sense's reflectable sheet link in #protection-faq
lusty grotto
a wall?
solid sun
Idk what it is but there’s a group of five with no pat on the one directly north of it that doesn’t scare me as much
lusty grotto
could be a parapet
solid sun
So I do that one instead
plush tendon
we do both
but we do pull 14 during the flying intermission on last boss
for the time save
undone beacon
I still do giga church pull
solid sun
I pull more in the courtyard by the second boss
plush tendon
second boss courtyard is cancerous
undone beacon
So much good easy trash in that there church
solid sun
The pack in the center of the church gives my squad a hard time
dry skiff
guys i dont understand what is it that hits so hard at Street RP
solid sun
Double pulling courtyard trash hasn’t seemed bad at all
dry skiff
does the pierce debuff stack ?
remote tusk
F for that Note
plush tendon
does the pierce debuff stack ?
yea, it can stack
those pulls in the Bazar can be spicey as a tank
but theres no reason to hold any defensives there
dry skiff
aaaaaa so that's why it hurt so bad when there were only 2 mobs left. didnt pay attention to stack
lusty grotto
guys i dont understand what is it that hits so hard at Street RP
baton
which you can reflect
quaint panther
Hey all, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this but for araz mythic intermission, when the pylon casts 'Arcane Convergence' and hits the add, is that add then stunned in place? Or is it possible to drag that add away and cause raid damage
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto look into crystal ball
Do we kill frac on an overtime night tonight before reset?
solid sun
I think if you believe in the power of friendship you will
dusky canopy
Good morning btw
lusty grotto
brew you use LR?
dusky canopy
What the hell is LR
dusky canopy
Idk I have bugsack and have the voice muted so I never see lua errors
lusty grotto
yeah but it was causing some bad freezes for me in keys
dusky canopy
I just plug and play Naowhui and random WAs my guild requests and play the game ez
Hmmm
When I was having freezing issues I swapped to DX11
Been smooth since
Maybe try that?
dusky canopy
Oh that’s very interesting
I’m surprised they don’t have that ironed out considering how competitive they are
lusty grotto
im thinking its an old profile just screwing me over
solid sun
Got a little ui you put in
Install a few weakauras
Not really sure what all does what but when you get ready to play you hit your zug zug buttons
Probably puff on a cigar while drinking some Jack and Coke
Just not giving an F and still orange parsing
That’s peak wow for sure
solid sun
Otherwise you turn into a dork like me who cares way too much and still blue parses
Lmao at me dude
Pass one of them cigars
dusky canopy
Speaking of jack
fathom oasis
but youll dispel yourself with avatar
That is great to know, didnt realize they are a snare
dusky canopy
Some of the parents of the baseball team I assistant coached got all of us a bottle of jack as a thank you at the end of the season
Maybe I crack that open
solid sun
Oooo how little is the little league team
I go to all my nephew’s games. He’s on a 7U team and it’s pretty awesome. Super low stakes so it mostly stays fun
dusky canopy
Idk if that’s universal across the US?
dusky canopy
Oh yeah everybody thinks their kid is going to the MLB
tribal wharf
Oh yeah everybody thinks their kid is going to the MLB
if only you knew how right you are
dusky canopy
Oh believe me I witness it first hand it’s quite entertaining
plush tendon
tribal wharf
nah no
the one im thinking of is the woman version of this at a hockey game
same energy really but just diferent scenario
basicalla a karen
dusky canopy
Like guys your kid is mostly in lala land when out on the field and mostly talks about anything except the game they’re currently playing.. relax. Lmao
Not a “scout” in sight
solid sun
Some of the parents who don’t know ball at all yap quite a bit. First baseman on our team didn’t hold on to the ball and it fell out of his glove so the ump ruled the runner safe. She just went crazy on this umpire until finally I told her the umpire was right and she resigned to just giving me a death glare. Like cmon homie they’re 7 and under. You’re lucky they even throw the ball to a baseman period
tame jasper
is there an addon where u can rate someone after each run, so u can remember how...
I think its called"I remember you"
dusky canopy
Some of the parents who don’t know ball at all yap quite a bit. First baseman on...
Exactly lol
tribal wharf
i could imagine it being easy for a kid to lose focus and it probably does work alot father yelling cheering to kid
i think its only natural
dusky canopy
They did a stability patch over the weekend might be better
Anybody use DLSS with frame gen in WoW?
Curious if it even makes a noticeable difference considering how cpu heavy WoW is
lusty grotto
i use FSR
mellow yoke
Curious if it even makes a noticeable difference considering how cpu heavy WoW i...
Extremly little
From my experienxe
kind urchin
I tried the frame gen after they released the drivers for 40 series cards and noticed I was getting hit by mechanics that hadn't actually hit me. There was a desync between the visual and the impact. I turned it off and it went back to normal.
dusky canopy
Ahh, good to know I’ll probably just avoid it then thanks!
mellow yoke
I tried the frame gen after they released the drivers for 40 series cards and no...
I used it later than you, didnt have that problem
But for me the difference was negligible
lofty warren
Fastest and easiest dungeon to do 4x of if you don't did 4 so far thos week?
Dunno if I want to spank eco domed over and over and over
plush tendon
Gambit
tight mural
Yeah but dawn is doodoo butter
I like eco. Gambit has too much downtime so even though the time is faster it feels slower. Sort of like taking the highway so you can do 60mph over backroads even though the backroads will get you there 5 min faster
lusty grotto
@dusky canopy what did you ever do with the fury execute conditionals, or how do you handle it with naowh?
frosty mango
Anybody use DLSS with frame gen in WoW?
I use amd driver level frame gen and fsr and it has been a good combo
high latch
Like going through the portals?
I don't think it's too bad, but it takes some time for the portals to spawn and to go through them
frosty mango
I do fluid motion framegen and fsr with 80% render scale @ 4k and I stay around 300 fps with the occasional dip to 140 or so on dimensius
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> what did you ever do with the fury execute conditionals, o...
I made the strata for Naowhs execute WA lower than Cones Kaching WA and made cones WA the same size and shape as the Naowhs WA and then placed it directly overtop of it
lusty grotto
i tried doing that but just fucked it
dusky canopy
Actually wait a minute
lusty grotto
ill try again i guess
dusky canopy
Naowhs execute WA was being a pita if I remember correctly
So I just made it never load
And created a default execute WA matched that to the size and shape of naowhs other WAs in the suite put it in the order I wanted it
And then put cones over top of it
dusky canopy
I only did that because I use my WA suite as “hot bars” basically
So you might not need to do that step if you don’t want
And you can’t put cones WA in the Naowh suite because it will break it
You just have to manually position X and Y
lusty grotto
yeah
dusky canopy
Or atleast I wasn’t* smart enough to make it work
Others might be able to haha
The only annoying part about it is cone has a conditional to kaching and display jug if it’s close to expiring and this will occur even when execute is not castable whatsoever
So you’ll sometimes be spamming the button wondering why your global won’t cast
If you cover your execute button like I did
lusty grotto
i have certainly noticed that
i think Cone's just doesnt check if execute is available
in that specific case
i.e. ashen jugg falling off
dusky canopy
Correct he said he did that intentionally I asked about it
He agrees it’s kind of counterintuitive
But idk if he’s changed it or not
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine considering its just 5 stacks and is not as punishing as arms jugg
but missing a gcd is kinda rough tbh
cerulean tusk
You won't tho, you already got RB spell qued either way
fathom oasis
last miniboss in HoA, is there any reason to tank him behind the wall?
or is it better to just tank him among the little dudes so DPS can funnel a bit?
cerulean tusk
To gather adds up with no spread
dusky canopy
@waxen quarry sir don’t mean to pester just checking for a friend, did you decide to leave the jug expiring “kaching” even when execute isn’t castable?
plush tendon
last miniboss in HoA, is there any reason to tank him behind the wall?
if you can nuke him down fast, then doing it at the top of the alter is fine
but it should be tanked amongst the adds
dusky canopy
Just be a bro tank and let your dps pad on the small guys for the overall lol
plush tendon
its also great funnel
lusty grotto
<@692035495718551564> sir don’t mean to pester just checking for a friend, did y...
i have the latest version and its still in
its not a big deal though
dusky canopy
Ahh yeah, he’s busy probably & might miss the Prot channel ping 😆
lusty grotto
ok i did what you said and it looks good now
was pissing me off because naowh's conditions are so scuffed
sometimes glowing without the right conditions etc
idle copper
is there any way to see how much % a key went over?
solid sun
Like forces?
You could put in what was pulled in mdt or three chest if you remember
I can’t remember if raider.io shows
idle copper
ty ill try that, was wondering if it got tracked anywhere
jagged hamlet
New to warrior tanking. So far it’s been a delight. I have a good sense of the dungeons as this isn’t my first tank, however, how is everyone handling the trash in Ara Kara after the second boss? It feels like I’m depending on that healer dispel a bit too much even after cycling defensives
lusty grotto
see here #protection message
tl;dr: healer issue
and/or deal with it the same way we did in s1
by freedom/Tiger's/Avatar or whatever removes snares
waxen quarry
<@692035495718551564> sir don’t mean to pester just checking for a friend, did y...
changed it but forgot to upload
will do rn
earnest moon
New to warrior tanking. So far it’s been a delight. I have a good sense of the d...
Yea im struggling with this too
lusty grotto
Yea im struggling with this too
lusty grotto
if they played S1, it wasnt dispellable then
only removed by freedom/avatar/tiger's lust
also didnt do damage
or as much
earnest moon
Yea i was getting omega slowed and then trapped from the swirls
lusty grotto
remember you can always use leap
in s1, we played intervene too so it helped, but not this season
earnest moon
Do you guys use a mouseover macro for leap
lusty grotto
a cursor macro you mean
earnest moon
Yes lol
lusty grotto
i dont, but it can be helpful
gloomy solar
Do you guys use a mouseover macro for leap
I don't because the big green circle helps me find my cursor
south plume
Are myth track boots better than the interloper's plated sabatons in champ track ? or is the trigger that good ?
south plume
is hero track better too then ?
lusty grotto
its good for dps, not for tanks
south plume
ok perfect thanks
dusky canopy
changed it but forgot to upload
Let’s gooo you are the man! Thank you!
waxen quarry
Let’s gooo you are the man! Thank you!
wago is down
jagged hamlet
see here https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1417...
Thank you. Coming from pally and brew, I find warrior has better tools overall but this was the one niche issue I found myself going "oh no" for.
unborn dragon
making a weakaura for IP. Anyone know how I could turn into a bar, almost like a rage bar?
Currently the bar just shows duration
lusty grotto
unborn dragon
uh oh
high latch
making a weakaura for IP. Anyone know how I could turn into a bar, almost like a...
You're probably better off asking in #ui-addons-manager
To summarize Nim's reaction: It's not really much value in tracking IP at all.
But do it if you want.
The last sentence is mine. Not Nims.
dusky canopy
wago is down <:keks:936231610850897992>
Ain’t no wayyy 
oak ivy
@lusty grotto do you ever log your M+ runs? i'd like to take a look at your rage economy/gameplay n see if i can figure out what im doin wrong
unborn dragon
so there's no real point in tracking the amount of absorb i have then?
high latch
Not really. If you dump with IP at 70+ rage you'll have good uptime.
lusty grotto
no, you just cast it at 70+ rage regardless of its amount
unborn dragon
well i'm just concerned about it falling off completely
lusty grotto
the only defensive you need to track as prot is Shield Block
thats the one you need to be concerned about
dropping IP means nothing
dropping SB means death
unborn dragon
ye i knew that
high latch
Yeah IP is less impactful than most people think
unborn dragon
just figured IP would also be super important since it blocks all damage vs just melee
lusty grotto
its not
because you have other DR running and they are first in line for damage checks
defensive stance, demo shout, wall, SR
nocturne spindle
if your doing the other things right IP just exists
lusty grotto
punish
nocturne spindle
so no need to watch it
lusty grotto
keep your feet on the ground or even demolish debuff if youre colossus
high latch
It is a nice additional defensive layer, but you'll naturally have enough IP if you follow the regular priorities.
unborn dragon
aight cool so just send IP if imma overcap and don't even worry about IP
lusty grotto
if you play correctly it will be up
tribal wharf
i said the other day i ordered 2 extra 140mm fans, turns out i ow ai an apology, the 140s did go on, i guess its for if im using a radiator only takes 120s
i figure this week i will try to finish pc
pseudo wasp
whats better the heroic oath breaker from raid or crafted 720 everforged longsword with ascendance
high latch
whats better the heroic oath breaker from raid or crafted 720 everforged longswo...
Ilvl is king for weapons
pseudo wasp
Ilvl is king for weapons
sounds good, thank you!
lusty grotto
sounds good, thank you!
also remember to remove ascendance when you craft next reset
ascendance was only good if you didnt have slots to put 2x dusk/dawn in
which you should have by last week
since shield can take one
(and bracers)
pseudo wasp
which you should have by last week
about to do that now 🙂
lusty grotto
hardy snow
so it begins
lusty grotto
hazy dock
the only defensive you need to track as prot is Shield Block
9/10 if I notice my health dip it’s probably because shield block just fell off, or I’m getting hit in the back, or both 😂
lusty grotto
round pendant
just bricked 14 ara
someone didn't stun a stag (my fault, but I got briefly distracted)
and then 2 deaths on 2nd boss
lusty grotto
or a healer isnt doing their job by not dispelling (coughFloodgatecoughAKcough)
round pendant
that dungeon is too tight on time
high latch
Yeah, letting a stag cast go off can really slow things down
round pendant
yeah they suck
lusty grotto
same way slashers are in HOA
high latch
I'm not a fan of damage reduction auras as a mechanic at all.. It just makes things slower, not really harder.
lusty grotto
its super garbage
and to top it off those fuckers do that aoe
if anything they should have removed the aura and left the aoe
the new swarm garbage i mean
high latch
Yeah the AoE is good I think. The damage reduction is just boring.
I'd rather they make the timer in general stricter and remove that.
lusty grotto
yeah i agree
dusky canopy
They should make every highest health mob in a pack give a DR aura to its familiars
lusty grotto
and then funnel classes become hard requirements, moreso than now
round pendant
good
high latch
My dad works at Blizzard, I'll relay the message Brew.
lusty grotto
sure, for the classes that can do it
solid sun
Next expansion is the Paladin expansion right. M+ should be designed around having 5 paladins
dusky canopy
That already is a thing
lusty grotto
round pendant
not doing the giga pull is such a giant waste of time too
solid sun
Nu uh
high latch
Amen
lusty grotto
im so glad hpal is doing well, i will start gearing chipadin next week
dusky canopy
I bet there is totally chill gamer dudes out there RPing as Templar knights and shit doing 5 paladin dungeons
lusty grotto
basically done with DH at this point
lusty grotto
I bet there is totally chill gamer dudes out there RPing as Templar knights and ...
yes and they all do 1 button rotation
dusky canopy
You know it lmao
Good for them bro I aspire to enjoy video games in that way again someday
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Listen
I played Claire obscur on easy
and for the first few hours I hated it
But you know what I enjoyed actually just enjoying the story and not struggling
dusky canopy
Smort
Decided to do BL4 blind
Have not watched anything whatsoever
Not even class previews
Breaking the cycle
Actually thinking about how the skill tree synergizes with different weapons or play styles is incredibly fun and engaging
Instead of already knowing exactly what I talent into and what weapon type I need to obtain asap
It’s been great
lusty grotto
just cranking some 1button keys with the boys
dry skiff
anyone has a good weakaura for reflect ? what i have just shows anything that is being casted
steady mason
anyone has a good weakaura for reflect ? what i have just shows anything that is...
theres a link to one about 10 posts up in the ui-weakauras thread
high latch
Yeah, that's the one most people use AFAIK: https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4
dry skiff
Yeah, that's the one most people use AFAIK: https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4
yea this is the one i have, dont like it
high latch
What do you not like about it?
dry skiff
if boss is casting something completely irelevant but shows me as target, it shows reflect
like interogate at street 1st boss
or Drop weapon
high latch
True. Good luck finding a WA that is smart enough to see spell targets in those cases. Don't even know if that's possible.
dry skiff
i thought there was
sleek zenith
guys in dawnbreaker is normal get a lot of dmg from some mobs? i get from some mobs a lot of dmg
dry skiff
aaaaa i see why, i saw it on fury warrior. adds dont show him as target filler
lusty grotto
guys in dawnbreaker is normal get a lot of dmg from some mobs? i get from some m...
you need to reset shadowblades
high latch
guys in dawnbreaker is normal get a lot of dmg from some mobs? i get from some m...
Some are more dangerous than others.. The most obvious thing may be that you're getting too many stacks of the healing reduction debuff.
lusty grotto
you can reflect it and/or play a stop and just watch the stack drop
lofty warren
What is the point of legion remix?
high latch
To keep people from cancelling their subs
lofty warren
I didn't do wow during mop remix so I have no idea what it is
high latch
It's basically the legion expac on a much faster schedule, and you get much more powerful than you normally would, and you can easily get a bunch of cosmetic rewards.
lofty warren
Is it still using the s3 talents and gear and just for cosmetics?
lusty grotto
yes
oak ivy
nooby question, what's up with some ppl saying at the start of the key "my focus is (marker)" ik it's to do with a macro but I have never been clear on any of that 
lusty grotto
its a WA
high latch
nooby question, what's up with some ppl saying at the start of the key "my focus...
It's a way to assign kicks
As in they will prioritize interrupting their focus marker
lusty grotto
i dont pay attention to it either
frosty mango
Yeah, that's the one most people use AFAIK: https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4
Use torkals
frosty mango
if boss is casting something completely irelevant but shows me as target, it sho...
Yes this is a byproduct of changes blizz made to the target system for casts
high latch
Use torkals
https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
Torkals is outdated. The one I linked is the same, but with new relevant auras added
frosty mango
It’s not, torkal updated his
frosty mango
The one you linked is the one I updated and loaded with ptr data but torkal is the author and he will continue to maintain it
frosty mango
Yes this is a byproduct of changes blizz made to the target system for casts
Anyway, more on this - it would be possible to account for these things on a case by case basis and code around it but tbh that’s a lot of work
lofty warren
Word on the street is that Roidberg has a separate branch where he is going to enhance the wa
frosty mango
It happens specifically bc of how it uses the nameplate system to pull the cast and how blizz handles cast targeting
But I am very lazy and torkal doesn’t answer when you ping him so here we are 🤷
high latch
Would be a nice improvement, but it's pretty rare it's a real issue
lofty warren
I also saw it tell me to reflect when that shiz was on cd iirc which made me have a mini panic attack first time
frosty mango
A true improvement would be multiple bars which displayed the spell that was being cast and if it was a reflect, deflect, or mitigate - to account for overlap scenarios.
And I did do some of that but it made the aura very resource intensive so I abandoned it
CLEU defeats us again
high latch
Would a native addon be efficient enough you think?
frosty mango
No, they use the same/similar things under the hood
lusty grotto
or
high latch
Have noticed a few powerful WAs move over to standalone addons recently
lofty warren
Don't need multiple bars just 1 with good conditional logic
frosty mango
Tbh I’ve largely migrated off the the WA and baked it into plater
lofty warren
Link to plater profile plis?
frosty mango
If a cast is reflectable it’s bright pink and I just look at if it’s targeting me and use muh brain
It’s my own profile and it’s big and unwieldy so I won’t be sharing it lol
Plus it’s got all kinds of custom renames so it wouldn’t make sense to anyone anyway
high latch
Several profiles has that. My preferred is Jundies and it also includes reflect info.
lofty warren
Maybe in 12.0 blizz will have good in house reflect deflect mitigation for warriors
frosty mango
Jundies is a solid option
frosty mango
Maybe in 12.0 blizz will have good in house reflect deflect mitigation for warri...
Nah in 12.0 they’ll remove reflect
high latch
In 12.0 they will remove it because it's too hard to use 🥲
lofty warren
I use jundies wa plater but it's so hard to differentiate if I don't have aggro bc of taunting pet or bc the havoc decided to blow his load on the most irrelevant mob while I was still gathering
high latch
Jundies has specific threat color for pet aggro though
I find it very easy to see the difference
frosty mango
I use jundies wa plater but it's so hard to differentiate if I don't have aggro ...
Just change the color
high latch
Could do that too, for sure.
frosty mango
If you don’t know how you can ask in their discord they will walk you through it
high latch
Isn't it?
I feel like pet threat is something completely different, but I don't remember exactly
Yeah. "Pet Threat Highlighter - Turns nameplates purple (same color as an off tank holding threat) when a pet takes threat from you. "
nocturne spindle
oh is that a thing
i feel like it kinda works
i swear i see stuff flash red whenever an earth elemental comes down
always scares me
high latch
What I wrote is how the Jundies plater profile handles it
native ember
it flashes between purple and like the brownish color at times as if i player has aggro but jundies is fucking goated imo even if u know fuck all about the packs it makes it so easy to know whats important
high latch
The new nameplates Blizz is working on actually look quite functional, but I refuse to use them if we can't add color based on mob type. It's so nice to have.
Like just having a different color for casters is super nice
high latch
People flame at any level
frosty mango
Yes that is where the majority of them are lol
blazing shuttle
Like.
"If you can't tank a 10 proper idk how you've timed your 14s, my condoleances"
Are people like
ok.
When people manage to fuck up zones on first boss of DB
We'd +2d it, ez pez, no sweat, just did one pull too mpuch, but otherwise...
frosty mango
See I usually say “the people carrying me were obviously way better than you”
Or something to that effect
blazing shuttle
See I usually say “the people carrying me were obviously way better than you”
Or...
Did not have time.
They instant removed me.
And before that: "Do you have cancer"
frosty mango
They can’t kick you unless they abandon
blazing shuttle
(They are stuck 7/8 in heroic.)
high latch
Jesus.. Report and move on.
blazing shuttle
Oh no. It was at the END of the key.A
£fter we timed it.
Which makes me laugh even more... They look like a bunch of hardstuck that just...
blazing shuttle
Jesus.. Report and move on.
Oh yeah I have, I'm just.
Flabbergasted?
My lman; it's a fucking 10.
All went well. All got well. Easy smooth evening run for crests.
And people just... scream? Cry? Yell?
high latch
Some people are never happy
blazing shuttle
I'm... in awe.
Is the community getting worse?
high latch
No, it's just easier to remember the bad eggs.
blazing shuttle
No, it's just easier to remember the bad eggs.
I think you're right; because I can only remember the bad runs and people flaming molre than the 'good' runs I4VE HAD;
blazing shuttle
See I usually say “the people carrying me were obviously way better than you”
Or...
However I'm SO stealing that line.
high latch
I think you're right; because I can only remember the bad runs and people flamin...
Yes. Confirmation bias is very real. You can have 50 decent runs and 1 bad one. The one run you'll remember is the bad one. Then next time you have bad run you're biased into noticing it more and more.
blazing shuttle
Dan, you're a king.
The more I think about it; the more you're right. I defo had super cool moments that season, and the previous seasons. Defo cool people I've met, but never added. But the only thing I can remember is the negative. Not the cool runs, but just this amount of toxic people that will tell you that you suck, when they're doing the worst shit ever. Like terribly bad DPS, ninja-pulling for the sake of ninja-pulling, not BLing correctly, or...
... The fucking pools on Dawnbreaker.
Does anyone have this same problem? Or should I just go outside in my garden and lay in the grass?
high latch
I also remember the negatives more easily, but I make an effort to keep things chill. It takes a lot to bother me, and if it does I like to believe it's mostly them being ignorant or that the other person is just having a really bad day, which can happen to the best of us.
But some people are simply toxic and vile. And they don't deserve any attention.
oak ivy
idk if this would be too automation-y to be allowed but i want WA/addon to auto assign my loot spec based on what dungeon im in
i keep running priory and forgetting to loot prot
i simply will make a text WA for detect zone priory "HEY SHITASS ARE YOU IN PROT LOOT SPEC" until i get trink
bleak scaffold
The more I think about it; the more you're right. I defo had super cool moments ...
Definitely. People just forget that it’s not a bot they are talking but a human…
Did my first hoa 10 since the trash changes. A pal ret just dropped « I hope I will never play with this tank again » sure I did like 115-120 I don’t know :x we timed it still… I didn’t pull all the trashs, some ninja.. and terribly failed on the last pull before echelon and got the 2 gargoyles. And I’m not the pal ret doing barely 6m overall. (That’s the guy complaining)
Seems like +10 is competitive and their life is on the line…
round pendant
failed first boss in a +8 arakara on my healer
it's really interesting how people just can't do that boss now
sterile orbit
spider scary
blazing shuttle
"I should not switrch to add" some DPS say.
round pendant
Yes
blazing shuttle
I'm sorry.
round pendant
the first pack lived until after the aoe and into the next pack spawning
blazing shuttle
How?
sterile orbit
gamers
kind urchin
For me moat runs go generally smooth so the only ones that are memorable are the really good and really bad ones since they don't happen as often.
Most*
round pendant
I've got about 7 awful ara kara runs in a row so far
on my dps and my healer
when I tank it's completely smooth tho
blazing shuttle
What makes me laugh on that boss is people running crazy.
Just take one step right.
Wait.
One more step.
lusty grotto
blazing shuttle
Exactly
blazing shuttle
what.
bleak scaffold
So everyone can cleave obviously….
round pendant
no
round pendant
I healed it since it's only a 7
but still
what goes through the minds of these people
strong forum
nothing
solid sun
Well if the spider eats enough babies it’ll get a tummy ache and be too sick to fight back
strong forum
brother it took some title pushers MONTHS to realize that the big beetles apply 50% damage reduction
when it should take you exactly 1 pull
to be like "hm this thing has a weird aura, lets check the buff bar"
and realize that
round pendant
lmao
round pendant
god these 9s are kinda rough to heal at 670 tho
solid sun
So you’re saying silly geese aren’t confined to 7s but also exist in big giganto keys?
round pendant
I feel like I just don't have the pump sometimes
doesn't help everyone's stepping in shit and not using defensives
strong forum
So you’re saying silly geese aren’t confined to 7s but also exist in big giganto...
they exist on every level
round pendant
or kicks
strong forum
or sit and spam keys 12-16hrs a day
solid sun
Do you want to be in my new premade, Yamalamadingdong
round pendant
we're both tanks
strong forum
yam sucks
round pendant
wtf
strong forum
solid sun
Damn
I don’t have to tank
I can play rogue or mage or dps war
I think some of our big brain trust friends in wow like Nome or Mandl or the bear guy… sunbearable?
Could have some good content on twitch running with wow silly geese that have never done CE raiding or title pushing
I feel like y’all would have some glorious reactions
strong forum
almost did a project of joining undercover in a normal raid progression group
but uh
round pendant
can the game drop me a single tier slot hero piece for my healer please
I need that 10% hps increase
bleak scaffold
After the « high key kidnapping » the « key breaker », doing stupid things on purpose?
solid sun
almost did a project of joining undercover in a normal raid progression group
I feel like you tanking with a normal raid tank would be so unfair
bleak scaffold
almost did a project of joining undercover in a normal raid progression group
You can one button assist now
solid sun
There’s no shot they could ever hold aggro
strong forum
nah all on dps/healers
playing equally bad
completely new classes we've never played
and then uh
<<experiencing>> it
solid sun
I’d like to see some of you scrounge a team of normal key doers
And see who can coach their team to the highest score
solid sun
Lmao
strong forum
naowh once tried to do something similar in SL
with him tanking
and then taking 4 applicants of people who never pushed keys or did CE
and see how far he could get
round pendant
as one of the better players in my premade (which rarely plays as an actual 5man because they have lives or some weird shit)
it's hell
strong forum
(it wasnt very far and it ended within 4 days)
round pendant
trying to teach people to do better
solid sun
What ended it for him
strong forum
hardstuck in 18s i believe when people were pushing 25s
bleak scaffold
I am limited enough in my own to coach others :x
strong forum
turns out a tank cant carry 3 dps and 1 healer
normal tendon
would crafting 720 sword and shield be fine ?
solid sun
I feel like as the tank in my group I can only do so much but eventually the rest of the group needs to put in effort and obviously I’m nowhere near what Naowh is so I could see how that could get frustrating
But if it was shaped like one of those funny clip shows
bleak scaffold
Even if those are your actual best slots as long as they aren’t myth track craft those first yes 🙂
solid sun
I think it could really be top shelf content
round pendant
waiting 20 years to find a tank for my +9 eco-dome rn
normal tendon
thank you all
azure crag
My guild finally beat heroic dimenseus yesterday!
bleak scaffold
Congrats!
bleak scaffold
waiting 20 years to find a tank for my +9 eco-dome rn
Sorry too late to game.
solid sun
My guild finally beat heroic dimenseus yesterday!
Big gratis. We’re still on Saladbar
blazing shuttle
Sorry it’s midnight too late for me
solid sun
Yam worried one of your routes will put theirs to shame
round pendant
my routes are the best
bleak scaffold
« My» routes lol
round pendant
Yeah? I came up with all my routes
this season
with a few suggesties here and there
azure crag
Dimenseus was a fun fight to tank, got to hop around a lot and use all my mobility to avoid punching the raid with the boss's fists
bleak scaffold
I would with premade. With pug I’m just running overall known routes
Haha yeah, you better be carefull with that! Almost had to jump of the platform p1 in lfr once 😄
normal tendon
what embilishments would we use on sword and shield
cobalt wagon
is the diff between champions spear and thunderous roar big enough to not just take what you prefer? i like champions spear more for the extra utility + rage gen. how much extra dmg is thunderous roar? i can also see it being pretty nice for threat on every pull
jagged gust
static thunder
Hi, im tanking mythic dimensius and sometimes when i try to soak starshard nova it passes through me without breaking, anyone knows why?
https://www.twitch.tv/giocrimson/clip/CrepuscularJazzyRamenNononoCat-L5zyZykZaSgZuj19
https://www.twitch.tv/giocrimson/clip/SmellySwissEndiveWow-Wqn5PRAe6JJBKtUC
2 clips of it
remote tusk
This bug still in?
remote tusk
Idk I only remember Echo having it, probably Liquid too
And it fucked up their pulls
Some suspect it has to do with character race
The person you have is Dwarg
DWARF
?
static thunder
belf
frosty mango
it IS possible for the stars align and 5 good players to be in the same group
(im not tanking)
-# never when im tanking
kind urchin
I've had some groups like that.
lusty grotto
so uhh
about me saying that LR was blasting me with errors, well, it turns out...
that i had two versions installed lmao
warm plinth
LR?
lusty grotto
liquid reminders
normal tendon
what embilishments would we use on sword and shield
lusty grotto
none and dusk/dawn depending on sims
since you have 3 crafts and 4 tomorrow, you should have enough slots to cover for 2x dawn or dusk
shadow portal
For m+ will the lfr brand trinket be better than an ara heroic? For keys around 16+ range
shadow portal
Thinking from survivability context
lusty grotto
sim
shadow portal
Got it
sinful copper
How do u sim survivability?
lusty grotto
same way you sim dps
bigger dps means bigger surv
because of what secondaries give you
and in the case of brand... the defensiveness part is not massive on a veteran track
a hero track mud will be more useful defensivewise if brand is at that ilvl track
now a champ track brand might be worth over it
but probably not
sinful copper
Hmmm that seems odd because some trinkets can give purely damage vs something like mud that is purely defensive. So how do u compare those with a DPS sim?
pallid quiver
How do u sim survivability?
the neat part is that you don't
Survival is directly tied to damage profiles coming in, while damage is just static based entirely on things available to the specs. You can't really sim survival without having a dedicated sim for every possible encounter.
To take extremes, for example, crit would have zero defensive and survival value and would be completely worthless if every single attack around was not able to be parried and you had no leech
Mastery for us would also lose a lot of value if there was literally nothing blockable, since you can't crit block what you can't block
but things aren't in vacuums like that; there's auto-attacks and parriable things going on while you're being hit with not parriable mechanics. On top of that, there's also defensive CDs, as well. For another extreme to illustrate, imagine if you had the choice between a 90% DR with an 8 min CD, or a 60% DR on a 20s CD. One of these seems clearly better, but what if the only damage you take is an ability literally used once? The 90% DR is better, then.
sinful copper
I see
pallid quiver
The reason we tell most people to just sim for damage is a result of things not being in a vacuum; everything stat wise (that's not a trinket, I'm getting there) is close enough that your survival gain is within margins of error as long as you have stats; the rest comes from play. So you might as well go for damage while you're at it.
sinful copper
I get simming for DPS for secondaries and stuff, but trinkets is odd to me
pallid quiver
Now trinkets on the other hand are special; they get to have novel effects like cheat deaths, or acting as a DR ability for a time period. Those are hard to value because of the same above, but they effectively add another button to use as a defensive.
They can be extremely useful to literally useless, and it's very hard to judge until the situation you needs it come up.
Optimally, you probably don't need any defensive trinket whatsoever; the game is balanced around the baseline kits enough that any defensive trinket is technically overkill. It'd be a rare situation that a defensive trinket actually enables something. If it did, it becomes literally required very quickly.
Realistically, they can add buffers and reduce potential confusion as to your status; you may not need something like mud to survive Priory 1st boss, but it can keep your HP higher, reducing stress and mistakes on your team.
solid sun
Like the SL aegis trinket that enabled crazy pulls
pallid quiver
dude aegis was cracked
cracked
So judging defensive trinkets is really hard; a lot of people don't get any value out of them since they're already not using their baseline defensives, which are often stronger than defensive trinkets, so adding more things to consider actually is harmful rather than beneficial (unless the copium reduces stress and mistakes, in which case more power to them?)
sinful copper
Makes sense. Ty luerce
pallid quiver
But you'll see a non-zero amount of people rock them in higher keys, because realistically, a trinket's damage increase won't time a key (unless Blizz made an oopsie balance wise), and mistakes will instantly brick higher keys.
@shut summit @patent osprey I'm not sure who else does higher keys who visits this discord than these two, but if they're willing, I wager they can give you more insights from the high key type people and the decisions they make. There's a lot that goes on to making success happen, and I know these two both have had experience and have chatted before in here.
sinful copper
Yeah I've had chats with sense before about the higher keys. He's a legend
patent osprey
Personally when when I am deciding trinkets (Offensive vs. Defensive) I take it dungeon by dungeon and is it completely necessary to live. Last season Mud was an option for Big Momma + 1st boss priory because at high enough levels, it was almost necessary to live depending on your comp. For example, if I had a ret pally in my comp, i felt I could drop my defensive trinket because I had Sac, but if I didn't then I felt like i needed mud for some bosses. In most cases though we try to find a balance of pure damage trinket or a strong offensive stat trinket because it can provide some defensive value, while being very strong offensively.
Something like a cheat death trinket was a crutch for years because people relied on it, but had little to no offensive value. HOWEVER... on classes that didn't have a natural cheat your weighing risk and reward. If you die as a tank in a high key, its a high chance its just over, so losing the damage of a single trinket can mean a timed key. So just depends on how much risk you want to take ^.^ cause unless ur doing WF keys, your personal damage should come secondary to living
polar patio
Does this apply to current seasons pugging? Or am i just misplaying first boss at 13-14
pallid quiver
Does this apply to current seasons pugging? Or am i just misplaying first boss a...
Big Momma? At 13s, 14s, you should be able to still manage it without any defensive trinkets, but it certainly wouldn't hurt
The bigger issue is that a lot of healers currently pushing 13/14s are going to be struggling as a whole, so it's going to be harder for them to help you while also helping the group. There's a bit of pressure on both the tank and DPS, which is generally a decently rare scenario
At lower keys, the tank is pretty ignorable if they're playing well, meaning most healers haven't had to worry about pressure spreads like this until they've been there. Healers who are used to that have likely just straight passed that key level and are pushing harder keys
It could also be your own defensive management, as well, making there be more pressure than necessary. Without logs, it's hard to pinpoint a specific issue (or issues)
undone verge
I just rotate shield wall for big momma tank busters on 13-14s, usually I dont have to worry about swapping out of Bstance especially since you have spell reflect available for every one
polar patio
Big Momma isnt really an issue since you can rotate cds easily, especially if dwarf, but Priory Left Side Boss 1 is absolute nightmare fuel imo
undone verge
I'm really sad I don't get to mythic raid this tier, there's not really any damage below a 15 that scares me and although its nice to have keys more dependent on damage done and not survivability it gets pretty boring as a tank
potent viper
Hey guys I’d figure I’d ask this here as I don’t know where else to ask it
How important do you think group buff synergy is in M+ for title range keys?
Would it make getting to title keys easier?
lime urchin
I'm really sad I don't get to mythic raid this tier, there's not really any dama...
Just pull bigger
undone verge
If only it were that simple
indigo hawk
The reason we tell most people to just sim for damage is a result of things not ...
And why you think someone like Kira said that you need like 10 or 12k versa to tank high key ? I don't think the sim they so. IMO it's for bing magic dmg but i'm not sure
cerulean tusk
And why you think someone like Kira said that you need like 10 or 12k versa to t...
If he spits out a set value, we have to presume it is because that %shield/DR increase is what makes whatever he is thinking of doable.
A made up example: let us say you will take 12 million damage, and you got 10 million HP, then 10k versa would be what make up the difference of 2 mill HP you was looking for to live.
Need is a really strong word, so best would be to ask the man himself for his exact reasoning.
indigo hawk
What is différent from BFA ? Didn't played this exp
raven prism
any % haste prot warriors should be looking for?
indigo hawk
If he spits out a set value, we have to presume it is because that %shield/DR in...
Yeah you are right
indigo hawk
any % haste prot warriors should be looking for?
21k to 25k
raven prism
thanks
cerulean tusk
Basically as much as you can get your paws on, Jake. For going from HR to ITF it is 25k rating ish. Then you can just go for more or do sims to balance out DPS values
indigo hawk
Yeah in fact sim will tell you more then this discord
indigo hawk
Oh ok i see thank
wispy moth
Hi guys and girlz.
Doing dimensisus hm prog as prot war, have you got some pro tips to give ?
I don't think there is many things particular for us, but i'll accept anything you've got 😄
sinful copper
with double crafted weapon/shield, do u guys open vault as prot still? i have brand so i think id rather pacemaker/brand instead of tome/brand
indigo hawk
with double crafted weapon/shield, do u guys open vault as prot still? i have br...
If you want to be really opti, you need to drop shield and sword later for the +3 ilvl, if you don't want to min max, you can go for looting as arm prob
vestal epoch
Basically as much as you can get your paws on, Jake. For going from HR to ITF it...
What is HR and ITF?
bleak scaffold
They are talents, Into The Fray and HR I don't remember but it's the alternate of ITF 🙂
brave otter
Does first 2 mythic bosses of mfo puggable? If so, what are the pug requirement for it
torpid dome
Yeha, on our guild run on last sunday we took along 3 pugs for DPS, our guild usually has 16 or 17 ppl joining
But tbh from the PUG"s it is expected that they know the mechanics on a decent level as well
pallid quiver
with double crafted weapon/shield, do u guys open vault as prot still? i have br...
For the record, pacemaker drops for Prot loot spec
fathom oasis
If we get our myth track weapon/shield now, can we upgrade them straight away when turbo drops?
mellow bridge
if you got the crests, yeah
wispy moth
Killed the first add in p2.
We don't have dk so using warlocks banish to cc the distant add
mellow bridge
that works? lmao
torpid dome
Killed the first add in p2.
We don't have dk so using warlocks banish to cc the ...
noone has an alt DK? DK makes that phase sooo smooth that it might be worth taking one along
for tank, P2 is most important to place the beams and circle correctly
outer mortar
New Prot player here. Question:
any tips on kicks? im progging into 15s/16s right now, so kicks are pretty important. i still end my runs with somewhere between 25-40 kicks, but I definitely miss quite a few due to the true melee range on pummel, mixed with the constant micro-adjustments for positioning. it either ends up that the mob is just outside of my range to kick, so kicking would involved stepping forward and getting melee'd in the back, or (using mouseover kick) simply kicking the wrong target because the intended target was just out of range, so the MO picked another.
just curious if anyone has any advice on this, or if its just how it is?
outer mortar
dont use mouseover, use focus kicks instead 🙂
ive tried this before, but idk if maybe i was using it poorly, but the it felt clunky. it felt like i was locked into either kicking my current target or focus, nothing else (unless selecting the target manually, which seems like it defeats the purpose). but then i feel like i still have the melee range issue.
half and half. team of 3, usually, 2 pugs
wise quest
ive tried this before, but idk if maybe i was using it poorly, but the it felt c...
kicking only focus target is fine. trying to switch kicks mid fight with MO is what will be causing the mistakes.
bind a focus macro, select a mob while going in to the pull and always kick that.
Use silence, stormbolt, shockwave when u need to kick/stop something out of your focus
my focus macro is a mouse over focus on middle mouse button, its also easy to switch targets mid pull if u need.
range issues are rare to me tbh, it sounds like a grouping issue? do you run with a dk/druid that can help with that more ?
Silence can also be a tool for grouping ranged casters if absolutely necessary
especially if u run with half-premade. it is very easy to say at start of pull "i kick star", focus it, and just kick it.
The rest can do the same communication, you can't carry kicks on your own.
outer mortar
ok so more or less, say fk it and force the group to step up, and just stick to my 1 focus, mostly?
i dont THINK its a grouping issue, cuz im not talking about mobs like way out of range. what im talking about is when your making micro-adjustments during the pull, like to stop mobs from wrapping around to your backside. baby steps here and there, that put me just barely out of range of a kick.
i do use disrupting shout as an emergency kick if i know i dont need it for something soon, and im using SB and shockwave on CD to get kicks.
but ill try using focus instead and see how it goes. im thinking maybe its just me needing to adjust to the melee kick? since i typically either play ranged, or something like DH with a 10yrd kick.
wise quest
ok so more or less, say fk it and force the group to step up, and just stick to ...
yeah the more panic you induce to yourself of trying to kick everything, the more mistakes you are likely to make.
ultimately you have to see what works for your group the best. There is only so much one person can do.
Try using automarkers or focus markers so u are sure people have a mob in focus
call DK grips on mobs out of position (e.g. surveyors in floodgate)
you will get used to the melle range the more you play
outer mortar
Funny, because surveyors in FG are exactly what made me want to ask about this lol
wise quest
yeah I run with a DK and they know already I need help with those. Without a DK a bit harder to group up as you need ranged kicks.
Still generally that requires group help
toxic gyro
ok so more or less, say fk it and force the group to step up, and just stick to ...
Best thing you can do to make stops easier is to be in disc and shotcall. Everyone kick their focus while prio dmg the right mob. Usually you’ll have 2 ppl per marker for mobs like obliterators in hoa and you weave aoe stops or silence when kicks are down. Or 1 person per marker for mobs like hundmasters or any mob with 15-21+ sec recast.
wise quest
dont forget SR can save a kick too
toxic gyro
I always assign who’s kicking which marker.
Really good groups kinda set up on the flight kicks on some mobs but I would recommend just sticking to markers.
wispy moth
noone has an alt DK? DK makes that phase sooo smooth that it might be worth taki...
The only one who got a dk don't want to play it again. So you try to find out another solution
toxic gyro
Funny, because surveyors in FG are exactly what made me want to ask about this l...
You’ll never pull more than 2 surveyors. You should be a backup kick on those.
torpid dome
The only one who got a dk don't want to play it again. So you try to find out an...
yea fair enough, in that case you need some extra coordination for remote stuns in a chaotic phase, will take more time to get through the phase that way
wispy moth
Yeah we'll got this
round pendant
regarding focus kicks, you can have a mouseover kick too if someone yoinks your focus kick in a pug
frosty mango
Funny, because surveyors in FG are exactly what made me want to ask about this l...
Little late to the party but some tips for managing kicks in pugs
Set kick markers at the start of the key
Know the comp you invite and what kicks they have available. Let ranged kickers get ranged kicks, don’t try to out out to get the kick if it’s gonna get you hit in the back, just spam ping the mob
Know how your stuns Dr in your comp and try to use yours intelligently (ie if the shammy just cap totemed and the monk leg swept don’t send your shockwave
Understand how to get maximal use out of disrupting shout. You can shockwave mobs to sync timers then you can disrupt 3-5 casts in one gcd. Good example of this is the second miniboss pull in priory, as he comes down the stairs, gather the three caster packs, shockwave all of them, and then as soon as your stun wears off they will all cast - disrupt here and you have 6s of freedom
Know when to hold your kicks and when to send your kicks. Examples include letting web bolts off to ensure you have kicks for revolting volley in priory. Only kicking fireballs/smites in priory when toll is happening to ensure you have kicks for fireball volley.
Generally speaking more interrupts = better but once you get to 16/17 it becomes equally important to understand what is dangerous in general (what will wipe us), and what is dangerous in context (what will kill someone if it goes off in combination with something else)
If you’re on comms just use omnicd and have someone call kicks
A good boss mod plater integration is also great here as it will show cooldowns on big kicks
jagged pier
frosty mango
Don’t judge me Jakey
I’m long winded it’s a character trait
“Just use your eyes and press kick bro” - Jakey 2025, probably.
I translated it for you
harsh trellis
heh
jagged pier
“Just use your eyes and press kick bro” - Jakey 2025, probably.
I translated it...
TRUE
solid sun
You should see how often I try to ping something and I end up just pinging myself
frosty mango
You should see how often I try to ping something and I end up just pinging mysel...
Target it and ping your unit frame
Big brain plays
solid sun
Ooo nice
wise quest
You should see how often I try to ping something and I end up just pinging mysel...
wow ping is just broken, not an accuracy issue haha
bleak scaffold
Im more of a pong boy but hey everyone’s choice!
tight mural
didn't details have a way to show threat on current target? i keep ripping off my off tank and it's infuriating, would like some way to know how far i can push it without going over
man is crampin my style
frosty mango
didn't details have a way to show threat on current target? i keep ripping off m...
Is your tank a warrior?
tight mural
i'm a warr, my ot is prot pall
frosty mango
There’s a threat module for details,
It’s not on by default you’d have to enable it in the addon screen
But you should replace the offtank not your addons
tight mural
tell me about it
i just wanna zug
i don't see any results when i search for threat i'll have to dig around a bit
nvm i found it. some plugin called tinythreat
torpid dome
I have the same issue, our off-tank is also the raidlead. He's making calls and focusing on the group as well, not ideal as it tanks his DPS.
It definitely happens that I take threat from him, usually we can resolve before anythingg big happens by a quick shout "threat"
solid sun
Am I a bad person because whenever I pull threat off my off tanks I calmly enforce the idea that it’s a them problem and they need to figure it out. I certainly never consider stopping the zug
tight mural
no i mean i do the same, and call out that they need to taunt.
frosty mango
I have the same issue, our off-tank is also the raidlead. He's making calls and ...
There are literally zero tank mechanics in raid, if you can’t maintain a rotation and make calls you should not be playing a tank at a high level
tight mural
i don't think ti's a distraction thing since he's not rl'ing, i think it's maybe partially a rotation issue. i know logs aren't everything, but i'm regularly parsing in the high 90s and he's in the like 50s. he also pretty much always runs full defensive trinkets
frosty mango
Taunt gives you a massive threat bonus for a short window to the point it’s almost impossible for threat to be an issue barring huge gear disparities or dumb crit shenanigans (looking at you harmonic surge)
It’s 100% a rotation issue
tight mural
currently gearing up my prot pal to see if i can figure out how to help him
solid sun
Maybe you can convince a rogue or hunter to tricks/md the paladin lol
frosty mango
i don't think ti's a distraction thing since he's not rl'ing, i think it's maybe...
When you say full defensive trinkets
What trinkets do you mean….exactly
tight mural
i mean that he was running chrombustible bomb suit until like a week ago
frosty mango
If you say the stam trinket from streets I’m dead
tight mural
eh, i take that back. i just checked and he's got brand and soulbinders
but that may just be for m+
solid sun
What difficulty raid are y’all in
tight mural
i know when we prog mythic he's scared of dying so he tends to favor being safe
we're progging m forge
tight mural
hero is on farm. plex and soulbinder on farm. got out first loom kill last week
frosty mango
Damage to tanks generally not an issue there if you are playing correctly with taunt swaps, he should def be running probably tome and brand
solid sun
Will the log show what gear they had on?
frosty mango
Yes it does
tight mural
that's a good question i can check
frosty mango
Pick the person, hit summary
mellow bridge
Will the log show what gear they had on?
ye
frosty mango
that's a good question i can check
If the issue is he’s losing on pull, tell him to taunt just before sending his initial burst, that will help a lot in the short term
tight mural
yeah so it looks like last week he was in soulbinders/brand.
but the week before
the issue isn't on pull, cause i'm always pulling
like, on soulbinder, i'll pull. he'll taunt after the lash. and i'll just rip it back in like 10-15 seconds of normal rotation
frosty mango
Then he can bank some holy power just before the taunt and send it all in the taunt window
But yea those trinkets not doing him any favors lol
tight mural
no sir
i have to regularly sit on my hands during dimmy p1
like i'll split after first taunt and go kill adds
come back
and still have to not dps
solid sun
How open are they going to be to run another real trinket as opposed to soupbinders
tight mural
hopefully open. the man doesn't run a ton of m+, so i doubt he's had luck with priory
still have a bunch of people that need netherprism from fract
solid sun
Pacemaker is good too
tight mural
he's run 3 priory and 2 floodgate this season >.>
frosty mango
Tbh I would send him to the paladin discord
I just peeped his logs, gear isn’t really going to help him
This isn’t really a problem you can solve, he has to
frosty mango
tight mural
i know, but in the meantime, the threat meter sort of helps me from getting embarrassed if i rip and die cause i wasn't paying attnetion