Like I said not sold this is the best path
#protection
frosty mango
high latch
I've seen that pull in a route very early in the season and even did it once. It feels fine.
I think it's better to finish the run with one of the side-ways after last boss, but it was okay
frosty mango
I would really like to find a way to skip the pull before the second boss bc it’s completely useless
But I’ve yet to figure out any shenanigans
high latch
13? That can be skipped in a couple of different ways
vale escarp
just pick up a wl and use gate
frosty mango
I’m not nelf and I don’t trust pug demon hunters to snap lol
warm plinth
meld pot exists
frosty mango
Lock gate is a good play but we never run lock
high latch
Yeah, meld pot is an option
fathom oasis
Heroic leap
frosty mango
meld pot exists
Yea that’s an option
fathom oasis
From where the 2 sentries are
high latch
Oh yeah. Leap can probably do it too.
fathom oasis
And boss grips the rest
fathom oasis
This is mine: https://threechest.io?id=a51eixuqmfh
frosty mango
I just don’t like running it lol
high latch
https://threechest.io?id=tmr3ldc0gpo
That seems less scary
Yeah, hope we don't see AK in a while after this season
fathom oasis
But pull 2 might be a bit on the big side, havent gone too high yet so I may need to change stuff around shortly
round pendant
Yeah, hope we don't see AK in a while after this season
we'll probably never see it again
and thank god for that
frosty mango
Give me back algethar my precious
high latch
🤞
round pendant
AA with the dialogue removed
frosty mango
Nah keep it
latent badger
Yeah, meld pot is an option
It’s awesome that they made a meld pot. Now for a stone form pot not on the 5 minute pot CD.
frosty mango
Alg is just goat dungeon in general
mint gorge
anyone got a good video guide on how to use mythic dungeon tool correctly?
frosty mango
anyone got a good video guide on how to use mythic dungeon tool correctly?
Doubt there’s videos for this, what in particular are you struggling with
mint gorge
just setting it up
frosty mango
You just install it
mint gorge
and reading route
frosty mango
There’s no setup required
high latch
It’s awesome that they made a meld pot. Now for a stone form pot not on the 5 mi...
I dunno.. Dwarf cleanse is nice, but by no means mandatory. Meld however was straight up necessary for lots of routes.
fathom oasis
Just click mobs, for the first pull, then click new pull, add new mobs
Rinse and repeat
mint gorge
kk
frosty mango
You can use threechest.io
round pendant
pull 10 in your route, do you kill the first stagshell then pull the rest?
frosty mango
It works exactly the same
fathom oasis
If you need to edit a group, clicl on it on the right and add/remove any desired mobs
frosty mango
pull 10 in your route, do you kill the first stagshell then pull the rest?
In mine? Grip second to first, nuke or cc chain depending on where pat is
fathom oasis
pull 10 in your route, do you kill the first stagshell then pull the rest?
He replied to it here #protection message
frosty mango
Yeah you also have a Hpriest so
fathom oasis
As a way to pseudo coordinate in pugs
frosty mango
I would not suggest my route
nocturne spindle
frosty mango
lol
nocturne spindle
this what i did for 16
high latch
https://threechest.io?id=B3ApX6V1RqP
That looks pretty good. Personally I would split the first pull into two because I don't trust my party members.
latent badger
I dunno.. Dwarf cleanse is *nice*, but by no means mandatory. Meld however was s...
That’s why I’m saying have it act exactly like stoneform. Off the pot CD and a 2 minute CD just like the racial.
high latch
Now that I can get behind.
frosty mango
And replaced with a background system where you can choose
Leave the same skills just write backstories and let folks pick
high latch
Either let you choose, or just replace them with stuff that is useless in combat.
Racials gone. Raid buffs gone. Addons gone. Players gone.
Oops, went too far there.
fathom oasis
I wonder how routes would change if dk gets some heavy nerfs
orchid narwhal
Guys, how do I check in logs what I'm spending violent outburst on? I wanna see the specific gcd
fathom oasis
Some pulls without grip feel so annoying
high latch
I mean.. They just now woke up and realized that grip needs to be stronger than it was. So I doubt they will become less valuable any time soon.
Or not grip specifically, but DK utility I suppose. And they did a decent job with AMZ and grip working on more stuff in the raid.
lusty grotto
Guys, how do I check in logs what I'm spending violent outburst on? I wanna see ...
go to damage done and click the VO icon
fathom oasis
Guys, how do I check in logs what I'm spending violent outburst on? I wanna see ...
You can use a filter on events
lusty grotto
that will tell you what you casted while it was on
orchid narwhal
fathom oasis
Guys, how do I check in logs what I'm spending violent outburst on? I wanna see ...
Do you have a log at hand, I can send you the corresponding filter
orchid narwhal
the thing is the VO icon just does this, and this isn't exactly telling me the gcd
Yeah surei m just looking at some guys' loomithar log
lusty grotto
i mean
only 3 things benefit from it
and there's no TC on it, so hes doing it correctly
with the majority of it going to SS
orchid narwhal
Yea I just wanted to see if somebody has a filter
fathom oasis
Yeah surei m just looking at some guys' loomithar log
orchid narwhal
ty
fathom oasis
Filters violent outburst, SS, TB and TC
You kinda need to CTRL+F Violent Outburst and see the next skill
lusty grotto
just count the casts in what you posted
13 Outburst SS'es
8 Outburst TBs
thats it
looking at which GCD isnt gonna give you any important information
whats important is using it in SS on Loomi since its an ST fight
fathom oasis
and there's no TC on it, so hes doing it correctly
2 TC right?
fathom oasis
Ah yeah, no, just making sure I was reading the log correctly
minor aurora
So, question.
I have 2 H pieces, and have 2-pc and 2 charges.
Just go for 4pc or wait for vault for a Myth Catalyst?
Im a 3.2k io pally
playing war now
high latch
Assuming you're asking about your prot warr, you probably want to catalyze and get 4pc now. It's very strong for us.
I would personally wait until this coming vault in case you get a myth piece you wanna catalyze, but you don't have to.
fathom oasis
Every key you play without 4pc while having enough cata charges is you griefing yourself, but you can bank on it now for a potential bigger increase later
If you are just doing weeklies feel free to greed in case you get a myth track piece
If you want to push at all I'd definitely get 4pc asap
minor aurora
I need trinkets and a few pieces first, before considering
Myth tier piece
honestly
i reached 14 resil and a halve on pally, rushed 2.5k on war on 690
felt so much easier
high latch
Sure.. Doing 10s as prot warr is gonna be easier than doing 15s as pala. 690 is kinda low, but nothing crazy.
fathom oasis
Well, if you wanna chill, sure wait, but if you wanna do actual keys get 4pc. It's so strong
high latch
Yeah, that probably won't be too hard assuming you get invited.
Or run your own keys.
fathom oasis
Then get the hc set, you'll be swimming in cata charges in a few weeks
minor aurora
Running my keys, 12s are resil so...
high latch
Then get the hc set, you'll be swimming in cata charges in a few weeks
This is true.
high latch
Running my keys, 12s are resil so...
Then I'm sure you'll be fine, and I would get 4pc asap as Neph recommended too.
minor aurora
Dunno, honestly
lusty grotto
no
fathom oasis
It doesn't
high latch
Ah, good to know
fathom oasis
I have a pair of LFR set pants, and 1 catalyst charge, yet I'm greeding in case I get myth track in vault this week 
high latch
Based.
fathom oasis
Am I griefing my groups? Kinda haha
minor aurora
well, did it
going to fill the last 4 11/12s on vault
and pray for H Antenna or M Pacemaker
craft weapon after shield?
already have 420 shield
lusty grotto
if you dont have a guaranteed way to get a myth track yea
minor aurora
720*
fathom oasis
craft weapon after shield?
Yes
vestal epoch
So if I complete heroic raid I have a chance for antenna?
And a lower level antenna is better than a high level trinket?
lusty grotto
in the vault? if you kill anything past and including loomitar
no
thats a sim question
high latch
Brand is the big outlier in terms of ilvl, but yeah, it's a sim question
vestal epoch
How do I sim stuff? Sorry pretty new to this
high latch
I could teach you another day, but I'm sure there are some easy guides out there. It's not super hard.
mortal cypress
thats a sim question
Do you think Sim ever goes "AGGggh! All these damn questions, I need a day off! "
vestal epoch
I can probably figure it out but is it an addon or website?
mortal cypress
Both
high latch
Primarily check out raidbots.com
vestal epoch
lol I’ll google it
high latch
The addon simulationcraft makes things easier
mortal cypress
You take a string from the addon and enter it on a website
vestal epoch
Got it
warm plinth
<@255696891000389633> we need the gif
gif for simming?
orchid narwhal
orchid narwhal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h9pNkwQWrxAPdCvK?fight=85&type=summary&sour...
ty
warm plinth
I have a post I did for logs but I don't have one for sims
lusty grotto
oh true
jagged pier
fathom oasis
Does the sim lean towards a 0 mastery build? As it's our only secondary stat that (to my knowledge) doesnt give us any damage?
lusty grotto
Does the sim lean towards a 0 mastery build? As it's our only secondary stat tha...
no
fathom oasis
Ah, it raises our AP
high latch
Are they doing the monkey pull in the beginning? Or is the first boss still too hard?
round pendant
first boss
high latch
Haven't done AK sinecthe nerfs
round pendant
it's not hard people are just awful
fathom oasis
Repeat after me: Mastery is not a bad stat
I'm well aware haha, I'm not an anti-mastery propagandist
minor aurora
Ran 11 Eco, War is inverse pally.
Hates magic, loves phys.
high latch
Ran 11 Eco, War is inverse pally.
Hates magic, loves phys.
Pretty much. But we don't mind magic if we have Spell Reflect ready.
minor aurora
on robots it's 1/2 uptime
fathom oasis
I did an AK +10 3 days ago with a rogue that died in every single boss, sometimes more than once
minor aurora
you have for 1 hit, not for the second
fathom oasis
To obvious stuff too, like standing in the bad
high latch
you have for 1 hit, not for the second
Spell Reflect is also a 5sec -25% magic DR. That is the big part.
fathom oasis
We are getting to the point where some people that are not good have finally bruteforced their way through 10s
minor aurora
yep, but we don't have for the second hit
so i use on the first, pump ignore for the second
high latch
That makes sense
warm plinth
what are you referring to
high latch
Ahhh, you mean the sentinels!
fathom oasis
Guessing he means the purple frontal
fathom oasis
From the big bois
high latch
Yeah, Arcane Slash can be outranged.
warm plinth
Don't need leap or anything; you just strafe away and keep going til the cast finishes
fathom oasis
I hate ED trash, it all keeps jumping away
warm plinth
you'll make it out of range
fathom oasis
If ED wasnt very easy in general I think people would be hating on it a bit
lusty grotto
right what ghash is saying is that you can outrun it natty
leap is not a hard requirement to avoid it
high latch
Yeah you can just run away
round pendant
Arcane slash?
high latch
Yep
lusty grotto
but it hits for jack shit sub 17
round pendant
that shit hits me on +14 and doesn't even hurt
lusty grotto
so i just face tank
round pendant
yea
warm plinth
Yeah
cerulean tusk
it is one of those "it aint a problem, before it is" abilities
lusty grotto
yup
high latch
it is one of those "it aint a problem, before it is" abilities
Very true
minor aurora
it is one of those "it aint a problem, before it is" abilities
exactly, it does hurt on 690 doing 11s
but yep, on 711 must itch
fathom oasis
Main issue on my keys is melees getting hit by it as they are trying to cleave the lizzards that jump away, the mobs that shadow step, and all that stuff
cerulean tusk
I will leave it to the rat
round pendant
For the sake of not being a meanie and getting a timeout
You've been timed out?
cerulean tusk
So many times
round pendant
I've only been automodded for saying a naughty word
round pendant
my friend was playing prot and he was like 694 and saying he needs more gear for these 10s he was struggling in
cerulean tusk
That is a very nice way to formulate the message
lusty grotto
yeah lol sorry im lacking caffeine
high latch
my friend was playing prot and he was like 694 and saying he needs more gear for...
Gear can compensate for skill, and the other way around
minor aurora
my friend was playing prot and he was like 694 and saying he needs more gear for...
694 can easily do 10s
fathom oasis
Experience also varies a lot depending on the heal
minor aurora
hell, 684 can do it
round pendant
694 can easily do 14s too
cerulean tusk
Go lower mate
fathom oasis
Sometimes I feel like I'm just rotting away
round pendant
I reckon a 630 can do a 10
fathom oasis
And sometimes i feel like i dont even get scratched
high latch
Full 680 parties did 10s the first day or two of the season
minor aurora
694 can easily do 14s too
that... i don't know.
high latch
Doing 10s as a 680 now would be much easier because the rest of your team probably is a lot higher
cerulean tusk
Nah, cause the players are 100x worse
fathom oasis
Tbh, if you are not hurting you are simply not pulling enough (except when pulling more will cause the death of your party)
minor aurora
Nah, cause the players are 100x worse
Arak 7s are harder then Arak 12s
basically cus ppl stuck @ 7s don't know how to do the first boss
lusty grotto
the only thing that starts to hurt are Jumpstarters at 14
thats kind of it
and possibly the Street trash
if you dont reflect
shockwave into reflect is so good there
reminds me of TJS last mobs
just watch meters go brrr
fathom oasis
Which street trash?
ocean smelt
Would you guys use this neck (neck from 2nd raid boss) as 704 with leech or as 723 without leech?
lusty grotto
just about anything in streets is reflectable and does damage
so not just a deflect
fathom oasis
Would you guys use this neck (neck from 2nd raid boss) as 704 with leech or as 7...
723 no question
ocean smelt
723 no question
thx
lusty grotto
leech is not worth ilvl
high latch
Yeah, 100% the 723
lusty grotto
no tertiary is worth ilvl
fathom oasis
I just press SR on CD most of the time honestly
lusty grotto
thats fine
fathom oasis
I need to improve on that
ocean smelt
Okay 😄 Just wanted to be sure before eventually letting someone else in my raid get it
thx
fathom oasis
Save for certain bosses like PSF 2nd boss or HoA 3rd
cerulean tusk
Better to press it on CD, than not press it at all
lusty grotto
yup
onyx prairie
please what is this weakaura that shows tank hit ... anyone can link it <3?
lusty grotto
no fucking clue
cerulean tusk
Just looks like DBM to me
cerulean tusk
ya ppl actually tracking so many things, eh
lusty grotto
people like to do that and then complain about cognitive overload
but tbf
hes referring to the one on top of the class WA
fathom oasis
Might be liquid wa pack
cerulean tusk
I mean, if ya dont know dstance is up at 100%, with DW and Rend at 18sec, what are you doing with yer life?
lusty grotto
and thats not actually too bad
fathom oasis
I edited my class WA pack so the IP bar turns blue when SB is up
cerulean tusk
you got an IP bar
lusty grotto
why
cerulean tusk
but why
fathom oasis
Yellow IP = someone's being a naughty tank
fathom oasis
I like having a visual of how far away from IP cap i am
lusty grotto
but why
cerulean tusk
why tho
fathom oasis
Lets me know if I'm well covered vs incoming damage
lusty grotto
are you playing colossus or something
cerulean tusk
I dislike being on the same side as the rat, so:
Dang bro, that is some crazy next level strat
cerulean tusk
Dude, if you dont track it, how would you now if you pressed it to cower the hit?
lusty grotto
lmao
cerulean tusk
Nim, you are so out of touch
fathom oasis
Sometimes it's not up because damage is higher than rage regen
cerulean tusk
See? We prio IP over rage gains in here
flint needle
I have 3 crafts left https://i.imgur.com/kP8jB03.png what do i send :Kekw
and dont tell me chest and boots pls
cerulean tusk
Sent it to me
lusty grotto
I have 3 crafts left https://i.imgur.com/kP8jB03.png what do i send :Kekw
shield > weapon > bracers > belt > ilvl
cerulean tusk
Nah, dont listen to rat, make Cloak
fathom oasis
Sometimes it's not up because damage is higher than rage regen
Incoming damage that is
Pls no gaslighto
fathom oasis
Why is it bad to know that incoming damage is being reduced by 50% vs incoming damage not being reduced by 50%?
cerulean tusk
I mean, its more useful that the 100% dstance and timers on rend/deepwounds
flint needle
shield > weapon > bracers > belt > ilvl
cerulean tusk
Because:
A) You are using it to dump rage, it doesnt matter
or
B) You are using it on purpose to take a hit, using it before the event to minmax the absorb
fathom oasis
Yeah, but on some bosses you dont generate as much rage yet get hit so hard your IP lags behind
cerulean tusk
you dont generate rage, cause you spend it on IP
woven torrent
is there a newer shocking disclosure pot? saw some tanks have a darker aoe effect around them
lusty grotto
Yeah, but on some bosses you dont generate as much rage yet get hit so hard your...
thats a rotational problem on your part
fathom oasis
You generate a lot of rage during avatar, or when being hit a lot
You generate less rage outside of CDs and in ST
fathom oasis
?
cerulean tusk
some would say, more valuable to spend correctly
frosty mango
Why is it bad to know that incoming damage is being reduced by 50% vs incoming d...
Because it doesn’t change the outcome
cerulean tusk
Not saying, ya dont need to absorb that hit with IP, but if you are - maybe use IP as the hit comes, to minmax it
fathom oasis
You still press IP, but because you have less rage it's less IP, therefore there can be times where you have no IP
cerulean tusk
all you need is the ragebar
frosty mango
Being alive and being dead, ignore pain isn’t the decider
round pendant
another bricked 10 ara
cerulean tusk
Well, achtthahahauaaalallyhhhhfckhfyyk
round pendant
lmao
cerulean tusk
it could be
fathom oasis
No, but it lets you know if you are currently taking 50% damage or 100%
woven torrent
is there a newer shocking disclosure pot? saw some tanks have a darker aoe effec...
chat
cerulean tusk
what
round pendant
no
cerulean tusk
You think IP absorbs 100% of the dam, if stacked to 100%?
is that is what is going on?
frosty mango
No, but it lets you know if you are currently taking 50% damage or 100%
Yeah but my point is that it’s largely irrelevant
Because any damage that’s going to kill you is going to kill you regardless if ip, because if you’re dying then it’s because you aren’t pressing a proper defensive
fathom oasis
I don't know why it would be bad to know if you are ahead on your IP amount
cerulean tusk
Point is, it is irreleveant information and just part of the bloat
kinda like the 'you are in dstance at 100' part
or deepwounds and rend tracking on your target, on your defencives frame
fathom oasis
It's like saying that seeing your healer mana is bad, because it is irrelevant to your rotation
It's info that I can use to know if I need to be wary of my hp or not
cerulean tusk
fathom oasis
I have not said a single time that your rotation would change, I'm saying it's useful info
Say a minor tank buster is coming
cerulean tusk
How does it change what you do in scenario A?
azure crag
hmm...d'ya think there's a reason more players in games prefer dps over tanks and healers?
Is it just a matter of the amount of classes/specs/jobs available, or is it something deeper than that?
fathom oasis
If my IP is full i know it'll hurt 50% less (up to ip amount ofc)
If it's empty i can expect double damage
Why is knowing that bad
cerulean tusk
So you talking about a scenario B, right?
fathom oasis
No? Because I'm sending it all the same
cerulean tusk
So scenario A
fathom oasis
Half of scenario A
I am sending it to dump rage, but it does matter to me how "well covered" i am
cerulean tusk
hmm...d'ya think there's a reason more players in games prefer dps over tanks an...
Tanks and healers got more responsebility and that jazz. Same old same old, and DPS are 3 in their role and as such can more often 'fail'. It is a lot more chill.
(doot for clarity)
Either you send it to dump rage, and ya wont have it pooled for the tankbuster you got. Or there is a scenario B, and you been holding for it.
If you are pooling for no reason, you just halt your rage-gen machine
not advisable
azure crag
Tanks and healers got more responsebility and that jazz. Same old same old, and ...
That's true, yeah.
Still, even in games like overwatch or heroes of the storm or...pokemon unite
people still mostly just pick dps over tank or healer. It got so bad in overwatch, they had to force people to pick tanks and healers, which then forced the entire community to endure queue times
forced them to swap over to 5v5 just to remove a tank and shorten queue times
which had awful affects to the entire balance of the game
fathom oasis
If you are pooling for no reason, you just halt your rage-gen machine
I've stated multiple times that it is not for the purpose of pooling, just so I know if I can count on having extra HP or not
It's a visual indicator
cerulean tusk
My point, knowing doesnt change anything choice wise
its just information for informations sake
fathom oasis
It does though
round pendant
Also you'll be surprised how much just tracking your IP will make you press IP more (unnecessarily)
round pendant
and MT plays itself so you'll basically always have IP up
no decision ever comes down to oh I have 50% of my IP cap filled and not 100%
fathom oasis
I treat it like an extension to my hp bar in regards to using defensives, calling for an external, kiting, whatev
rancid sedge
is this route bad https://threechest.io?id=eBLlubfMUvk
for 15s
fathom oasis
In PSF first boss for example IP dissapears so fast because of the bleed
fathom oasis
If I dont have any IP and I'm low on HP I know I'm in trouble
lusty grotto
if youre low HP and you dont have any IP, you will die regardless
frosty mango
I am like 99% sure you could go an entire key never pressing IP and your healer would notice exactly zero
You would notice your damage being booty
But I highly doubt it would make any functional difference in your ability to be not dead
pallid quiver
I am like 99% sure you could go an entire key never pressing IP and your healer ...
no your healer would absolutely notice if you never press it; it does a lot to chip away at damage taken over time
lusty grotto
overall sure
pallid quiver
But it only makes a functional difference to survival in the immediate timeframe if you have literally no defensive CDs
lusty grotto
but not in a specific window in time
frosty mango
no your healer would absolutely notice if you never press it; it does a lot to c...
I never notice when warriors don’t press ip
pallid quiver
I notice a lot while healing
frosty mango
I sure as hell notice when they don’t press shield block
cerulean tusk
I love how we went from one extreme to another
fathom oasis
Maybe in higher keys the healer makes up a much higher portion of your healing because the amount prevented by IP doesnt really scale that hard?
frosty mango
I love how we went from one extreme to another
We only deal absolutes
cerulean tusk
fair enuff
round pendant
I literally can't think of a single scenario in which your IP status matters for surviving anything
pallid quiver
Maybe in higher keys the healer makes up a much higher portion of your healing b...
Healer attention on the tank depends on mechanics/damage profiles
cerulean tusk
IP status? I can see it matter. You tracking it? Not at all.
round pendant
outside of it being a byproduct of your rotation that is
like obv if you're not using your IP you'll just be weaker
pallid quiver
I literally can't think of a single scenario in which your IP status matters for...
The only time I recall Sense even doing anything on a high key for similar is when literally out of defensives on first boss priory last season, when the bleed was stronger, where he opted out of normal IP usage to fluff more into IP over that time period
fathom oasis
Why is it bad to know if you are at 40% HP or 70% HP though
pallid quiver
Because the boss eventually goes long enough that there's defensive gaps
round pendant
but anything more than just using it as a rage dump? I can't see it being useful anywhere
pallid quiver
Why is it bad to know if you are at 40% HP or 70% HP though
what are you going to do with that information
are you going to not press shield wall and just waste a defensive?
round pendant
if you're at the point where oh shit I need to pump IP you're already in a losing battle
frosty mango
IP is a smoothing mechanism, but for the majority of keys the healer is naturally just blasting you with incidental healing far greater than the amount you’re taking
I think it matters more this season with Rsham being meta bc rshams don’t really do much incidental healing but still, given thane rotational play you are always going to have ip up and there is almost no scenario where you need to choose to press it over something else
pallid quiver
On top of that, IP is a partial absorb that only takes part of the damage
fathom oasis
It's not in detail, its just a bar
frosty mango
Big momma maybe
round pendant
Everyone here tracked IP at the start and then realised it's useless eventually
I stopped tracking it, my IP usage went down, my performance went up
🤷♂️
fathom oasis
Thats kinda the same
pallid quiver
I don't make any real decisions around it; it's just default on elv ui
frosty mango
I just have an icon telling me if it’s up
pallid quiver
Thats kinda the same
See, the difference is that I don't ever look there
I don't even know if it's up if I'm at full HP or close to full
fathom oasis
You can literally think of it as an extra portion of your hp bar
pallid quiver
If I ever hit a point where I care about having a stocked IP
i just fucking press the button twice
frosty mango
And the icon on my ui is only bc I used it as Colo I don’t even look at it as thane lol
Just full send boys
round pendant
I mean if he says he's not pressing IP just to keep it juiced then it's whatever ig
fathom oasis
Again, it doesnt change your IP pressing
cerulean tusk
I am glad that ppl seem to get it, it is an A or B scenario 
Expected more trolling
Ya ppl grew up
fathom oasis
Because that is given by the rotation
frosty mango
I am glad that ppl seem to get it, it is an A or B scenario <:gladge:96397013770...
Hold on I got you
round pendant
but if it doesn't change your decision making it's just UI bloat
frosty mango
Do we need drama? I can cook up some controversial take for us to argue over
round pendant
but I highly doubt anyone who has an IP bar doesn't subconsciously press it more because of it
lusty grotto
but I highly doubt anyone who has an IP bar doesn't subconsciously press it more...
that was my point
its information that's misleading
frosty mango
We will zug him into submission
All protection warriors will be the same or they will be shamed outcast!
lusty grotto
by all intents and purposes punish is more valuable than IP, if seen in a vaccuum, of course those work together all of the time
fathom oasis
Sometimes I press defensives if I'm in a bad situation HP wise and/or heal is having issues
lusty grotto
youre playing reactively
cerulean tusk
Please press defencives before that happens
lusty grotto
and you shouldnt
cerulean tusk
I beg
fathom oasis
I rather pre-press when the damage comes
lusty grotto
thats the BDK muscle memory kicking in
fathom oasis
But sometimes you are unexpectedly in a bad situation
cerulean tusk
Nothing in WoW is unexpected
fathom oasis
Last stand helps in that moment
lusty grotto
it really doesnt
frosty mango
Sometimes I press defensives if I'm in a bad situation HP wise and/or heal is ha...
I dunno if I am in a situation where my hp is low and I don’t have pot or victory up then we have already irrevocably fucked it up
cerulean tusk
Ok, guys, my troll radar
lusty grotto
last stand should just get deleted
round pendant
I don't think he's trolling just cause you don't agree with him
fathom oasis
Yeah
cerulean tusk
Ya sure Yam? 
round pendant
These things you kinda just figure out with experience but seems like it makes sense early on
lusty grotto
you know what helps in those cases? BSV
lusty grotto
nucleus
etc etc
last stand is not even on the same plane of existence as any of those
fathom oasis
I don't even think what im saying is THAT controversial honestly
lusty grotto
relic of the past, needs to be buried
cerulean tusk
Needs to be buffed, you mean
Last Stand should be the cheat death
and you cant change my mind
lusty grotto
ok well yeah that would work
cerulean tusk
its called LAST STAND
round pendant
last stand is best used when you're gathering imo
smooths things out a bit for the healer to get in position and set up
on scawy pulls
I need to use it more
it's off cd like 90% of the time
lusty grotto
your oh shit button aside from BSV and nucleus is drum roll... Invigorating Healing Potion + Healthstone
and impending victory
jaunty jacinth
I can't decide on if i should switch out champion reshi feet for mythic feet with mastery on it
any ideas?
lusty grotto
honestly, thats why its dead last
lusty grotto
any ideas?
yes ultra swap em
fathom oasis
So now we have moved on to say LE is useless?
jaunty jacinth
yes ultra swap em
Do we have any numbers on reshi feet's impact on cloak's uptime? is it considerable at all?
cerulean tusk
The heck is LE
round pendant
last epoch?
lusty grotto
Do we have any numbers on reshi feet's impact on cloak's uptime? is it considera...
not consderable
fathom oasis
Autocorrect's LS
cerulean tusk
Last Stand is pretty grim down irrelevant, ye
lusty grotto
yes we've moved on to that, every warrior that has played the class long enough agrees
undone beacon
LS is taken cuz it’s on the path to thunderlord smh
lusty grotto
LS place in time was when the tank busters actually hit for more than your health pool, of EHP purposes
fathom oasis
It's just not that useful
Yeah, that I agree with
fathom oasis
Actually EHP = HP * 1/DR
lusty grotto
HP has infinitely less value than DR
fathom oasis
They multiply off one another
round pendant
well no it's not the same
lusty grotto
what
undone beacon
The e in ehp stands for ehp
round pendant
If you had 40% more hp but were taking unmitigated damage, the healer isn't saving you
vs using shield wall
or your own regen, for that matter
fathom oasis
Yeah, but if you are at 20% HP and press wall you are at 40% ehp. Same as if you use LS
round pendant
Except no because with LS you're not mitigating anything
lusty grotto
why are we even talking about this? its VERY OBVIOUS LS only amounts for the HP part, which again, was needed in ye olden days because the tank busters were high enough and because wall had an hour cd
fathom oasis
LS can save you in a pinch. Ideally you shouldnt be in such a situation but shit happens and it's just 1 more tool
round pendant
nim's getting heated
lusty grotto
like we're never gonna justify your opinion Nephtus
if you think its worth it, then thats fine
fathom oasis
IDK why weve gone to complain that a tool is useless just because it's less useful than other tools
Such absolutist takes
Idk
lusty grotto
because we see it mathematically, and its not useful
fathom oasis
It's just A tool, also please save the ad hominems
lusty grotto
nobody is insulting you
round pendant
who used an ad hominem
lusty grotto
so where are these ad hominems?
cerulean tusk
I am glad I came back, it actually gotten worse and started to reach into unhinged
go on
round pendant
I mean
fathom oasis
The making it about it being my opinion when we are all obviously chiming in
fathom oasis
Would you mind stating what my wrong opinion is?
lusty grotto
you like it
undone beacon
lusty grotto
its an opinion
undone beacon
Guys did you know they removed spellblock
undone beacon
Is Warrior bad now all we have is last stand and no spell block
round pendant
I mean
lusty grotto
you would instantly take spell block over last stand without thought yes bear
round pendant
you can explain mathematically why an imaginary LS that gives 40% extra health isn't equivalent to a 40% DR
lusty grotto
because DR scales with damage
HP doesnt
also DR is the first in line for damage checks
fathom oasis
you can explain mathematically why an imaginary LS that gives 40% extra health i...
If you are at 20% HP and some damage is about to take 30% of said HP, LS brungs you to 40% HP, and you survive with 10% HP.
If you are at 20% HP and some damage is about to take 30% of said HP, and you press wall, you are left at 5% HP.
fathom oasis
?
lusty grotto
if youre gonna make a comparison, at the very least have a defined value in common
lusty grotto
youre seem upset
round pendant
oof
lusty grotto
but the first thing is whats true
youre wrong mathematically
none of what you just explained fits math
re-read what you said
some damage
latent badger
Kinda like this?
Which has more value at lower health percentages. Additionally, which has more value at lower health percentages based on repeatable scenarios.
lusty grotto
also those two situations are entirely different
cerulean tusk
Maybe you should math it out, Nim. I think Neph got a really strong and real case here, for how LS can be useful in that exact scenario. As such, the rat is proven wrong
round pendant
LS is a dodgy example since it heals you
cerulean tusk
I mean, come on, in what world isnt there only 1 damage event, and the heal isnt the game changer?
round pendant
You're being saved by the heal, not the 30% extra health
cerulean tusk
You guys just dont get the raw power and value
round pendant
which is valuable ofc
and yeah just that, it only helps on single damage instances
shield wall for 8 seconds is infinitely more useful than having 30% more max health for 15
so it's not fair to say EHP is the same as DR because DR is part of the calculation
fathom oasis
like we're never gonna justify your opinion Nephtus
I'm still waiting to hear what this supposed opinion I have that is wrong is
cerulean tusk
Oh, on that point Nim still stands strong
round pendant
He's just saying no one's gonna say anything that validates your point for you
since we all disagree
cerulean tusk
You just win in your 1 instance scenario in that exact situation
Also, Rat is wrong by default
round pendant
You just win in your 1 instance scenario in that exact situation
it only wins cause it's a 30% heal tho
fathom oasis
He said it clearly, i have an opinion and it is wrong
I want to know what opinion it is
round pendant
if it didn't have the heal, it'd just bring you to 28% hp to just die
cerulean tusk
Nah, I am just saying a solid case was made to change my mind
lusty grotto
10 mil health pool
2 mill hp left
LS = 3 mil
2 + 5 mil - 3 mil hit (30% of said hp?) = 2 mil
10 mil health pool
2 mil hp left
SW = 40% ( 3 mil x 0.4 is 1.2 mil so a 1.8 mil hit)
2 -1.8 mil = 0.2 mil
This is more mathematically accurate
None of these scenarios happen realistically, because youre not supposed to be using wall reactively, as per our class
which goes back to
lusty grotto
youre playing reactively
lusty grotto
and you shouldnt
round pendant
10 mil health pool
2 mill hp left
LS = 3 mil
2 + 5 mil - 3 mil hit (30% of sai...
dead without the heal btw
fathom oasis
I want to know what opinion it is
Im still waiting
cerulean tusk
Who?
round pendant
Neph
lusty grotto
5 mil vs 6.4 mil health pot
cerulean tusk
and wrong
lusty grotto
btw
cerulean tusk
but he isnt bannable
fathom oasis
Why? I asked a question and you are not answering, you are going on a rant
I may as wel not be here
lusty grotto
i think its fine if they have an opinion
round pendant
Your opinion that IP is worth tracking and EHP is equivalent to DR
is what he's referring to, I assume
fathom oasis
Also im asking nim and yam is chipping in non stop in bad faith imo
round pendant
jesus
cerulean tusk
Nah, Yam, we moved away from the original point a long time ago
fathom oasis
Yeah
lusty grotto
i just outlined why its wrong
cerulean tusk
We on this exact scenario
And Nim is wrong in this one
so Neph wins all above by default
sterile orbit
/abandon
cerulean tusk
Heck yeah! Debate bro strats!
full mist
Is Warrior bad now all we have is last stand and no spell block
Spell reflect is still a pretty sizeable magic DR + Defensive stance + 2 charges of shield wall + ignore pain works on magic dmg
round pendant
Also im asking nim and yam is chipping in non stop in bad faith imo
what have I said that's in bad faith
fathom oasis
IDK why weve gone to complain that a tool is useless just because it's less usef...
This is my point btw, i dont think LS is useless i think it's just less useful
round pendant
no no
cerulean tusk
See, we can make up a scenario where it got a usecase
round pendant
Yeah, but if you are at 20% HP and press wall you are at 40% ehp. Same as if you...
Right here you implied LS is the same as SW
cerulean tusk
Guys, have you heard about stamina enchants and trinkies?
round pendant
and then gave a specific case in which LS "wins"
cerulean tusk
I heard they really strong
round pendant
Which is only by virtue of it healing you
undone beacon
Spell reflect is still a pretty sizeable magic DR + Defensive stance + 2 charges...
I know that, I’m just a registered shitter
round pendant
EHP = HP * 1/DR
now yes, LS is strong in that scenario, but the starting value of HP being higher by a secondary effect is skewing the results if you wanna discuss raw EHP vs DR
cerulean tusk
You are actually kinda weird and dumb, if I must say so. Cause I talked to Nome, and he agreed with Neph
So you are outgunned
lusty grotto
cat is having a field day
round pendant
But to get back to the original point
Nim said DR > EHP
you "corrected" him by saying EHP = HP + 1/DR
cerulean tusk
Go on Yam hard, Neph! I support you!
round pendant
Yes if you scale HP you can survive any hit, but DR actually mitigates damage away (like the heal in LS is doing, almost, just retroactively)
but to say they're effectively one and the same, or so intrinsically tied that LS is just as valuable as shield wall
is just wrong
fathom oasis
There is a % of HP where LS helps you survive a hit better than shield wall. This does not in any shape or form imply LS is better than SW. It merely serves to point out that it can have nieche cases where it comes in clutch, albeit small they might be.
round pendant
especially in a live ingame scenario
lusty grotto
it was extremely evident i was talking about LS's place in the EHP discussions of old
cerulean tusk
See, in this case it is evident that LS got infinite value
lusty grotto
but in case that wasnt particularly clear, i did explain it after
fathom oasis
Optimally, SW is used to prevent damage, not in a situation where you are almost dead
cerulean tusk
Oh, are we going back to why IP tracking doesnt matter, cause how it works in action?
fathom oasis
And in an ideal world I agree you shouldnt have to press LS
round pendant
okay but my issue is this
cerulean tusk
I do love myself a nice circle
round pendant
Because nim said DR > EHP you said EHP = HP + 1/DR implying that the left side of the equation is what matters the most
My whole point is that if you're not being healed, the HP portion is SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER than the DR portion
You learn this in any game that has block btw
HP has a use, like saving you from damage that bypasses block
cerulean tusk
You are moving the goalpost tho
round pendant
I'm not tho
cerulean tusk
you are tho, please stop being like that. It is a bad look, Neph clearly said what he said previously.
sharp gale
wall is 40% is almost equivalent to a double your health ehp, LS is really weak
round pendant
I'm going to find you in world of warcraft and gank you
lusty grotto
its also a very very very very niche case in a vacuum, because any hit after the fact will probably just murder you given that no other mit exists
fathom oasis
Because nim said DR > EHP you said EHP = HP + 1/DR implying that the left side o...
Implying what?
hidden rock
cerulean tusk
Donald agrees, Yam and Nim is totally out on the wildest of moonrides
hidden rock
What? No. Don't force people to agree with you 'cause you're wrong lol.
round pendant
You can get to X EHP by any combination of Y + 1/Z
fathom oasis
You've been ranting against some imaginary opinion that is not even mine, which is why i asked specifically what you thought my opinion was
lusty grotto
ok then why are we upset
fathom oasis
Because we are going nowhere
lusty grotto
we dont need to lol
fathom oasis
Not upset though
I love a good discussion
I prefer 1 on 1 over x on 1 though because it's harder to convey the point when many people echo your words
cerulean tusk
Nah, we all agree that:
- LS is better than nothing
- LS can save you in very spesific scenarios
And your point stands strong
hidden rock
LS is trash.
cerulean tusk
Nim and Yam is just haters
fathom oasis
Nah, we all agree that:
- LS is better than nothing
- LS can save you in very sp...
Unironically
cerulean tusk
Yeah, LS is a fellow racoon. Love us some trash
sharp gale
Impeding victory > LS
fathom oasis
Impeding victory > LS
Hard agree
cerulean tusk
Oh no, we reaching the point where it all falls apart.... cause Neph starts to come to agreement that "my point was pointless" that was Nim's point 30 min ago?
sharp gale
But I still press LS on gathering, just to use it
fathom oasis
But I still press LS on gathering, just to use it
Seems like a reasonable choice
cerulean tusk
But I still press LS on gathering, just to use it
See another reinforcing point!
hidden rock
IV>Getting backshots>LS
cerulean tusk
Hell yeah \o/
round pendant
- Nim says DR >>> EHP
- You say EHP == HP + 1/DR Sir
I'm simply saying that doesn't disprove his point because DR scales with the size of the hit and LS only wins cause it heals you and something that gives you 50% more max health giving you 150% of your EHP, it's not the same as a 50% DR
more hp is good against a bunch of little hits
more dr is good against big hits
what nim should have said really is that DR is the far more valuable portion of EHP and it's not as simple as the raw EHP number
fathom oasis
Mathematically, EHP is literally that, no?
sharp gale
I didn’t follow all your talk tbf, I just popped now
vestal epoch
Is there any reason to have whirlwind or smash on my bar?
fathom oasis
Like, the other equation is wrong
cerulean tusk
All you need to know, Happy. Is Neph is on a roll vs Yam/Nim combo
round pendant
Mathematically, EHP is literally that, no?
Sure. but 10m EHP isn't necessarily the same as another player's 10m EHP
And one of those 10m EHPs can be significantly weaker
fathom oasis
Well I was being snarky
round pendant
it's a bad metric
fathom oasis
And accurate, and i thought maybe a slightly bit funny, by including the "sir"?
cerulean tusk
Is there any reason to have whirlwind or smash on my bar?
Only if you play meme spec; like 2hand Prot.
but if you playing standard, no - not at all 
round pendant
10m temporary EHP from blocking 40% of a bunch of 1m (after mit) hits for 8 seconds is way stronger than 10m flat hp while getting blasted with a bunch of 1.66m hits or whatever
cerulean tusk
Nah, cause without the HP, you be dead, and the %DR after that point is irrelevant
Yam stop moving the goalpost
lusty grotto
Is there any reason to have whirlwind or smash on my bar?
no, you never use that or slam, you can also unbind rend because thunderclap applies it
fathom oasis
Thats because you are including another metric which is healing
vestal epoch
Thanks peeps
round pendant
there's no healing in what I said
cerulean tusk
Argument was surviving that single hit, ya starting to put into more elements
that is a no-go
nah fam
stop
lusty grotto
in a single hit it works
sharp gale
But tbf what makes it bad for me, it’s the cd, for half a wall
lusty grotto
because tank busters then needed the extra oomph
hidden rock
Why do you track LS?
fathom oasis
10m temporary EHP from blocking 40% of a bunch of 1m (after mit) hits for 8 seco...
Why not both though
SB should always be up
round pendant
I was referring to shield wall
round pendant
in a single hit it works
it doesn't tho, because it's apples to oranges
lusty grotto
right
sharp gale
Yeah basically if you want to use LS as a tankbuster def cd you have to use another one with it, because it is similar to : you just pressed SR
round pendant
LS with the 30% heal means at 20% hp means you just 1.5x'd your hp
fathom oasis
Ah sorry got confused with the word blocking
cerulean tusk
Well, we are talking kiwis, stop trying to change the topic
sharp gale
Wall is 70% more virtual health
fathom oasis
10m temporary EHP from blocking 40% of a bunch of 1m (after mit) hits for 8 seco...
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean here
Shield wall is much better than LS in general though
I don't know if that's your point
In 99% of the situations even
sharp gale
I think it is the usual LS bashing that is annoying for him
fathom oasis
There are however very nieche cases where (probably as a consecuence of either you, or someone else fking up) it can save your life and shield wall wouldnt
sharp gale
Defend the attacked shit
round pendant
no all I'm saying is that DR is the strongest factor when it comes to surviving hits
the EHP number doesn't tell you shit
fathom oasis
EHP tells you how much damage would kill you without getting healed
DR helps increase that number
Getting more health helps too
sharp gale
Yes but the amount is really really small for a 1min 30 cd
fathom oasis
The thing is, in real scenarios you are getting healed
LS doesnt affect the incoming heals
round pendant
You can have a 99.999% parry chance and have an absurdly large EHP number because 1/100000 hits will be dodged
cerulean tusk
I think it is the usual LS bashing that is annoying for him
If I told you this all started with Neph arguing tracking IP value as very informative and productive, would you believe me?
round pendant
but then fall over
sharp gale
If I told you this all started with Neph arguing tracking IP value as very infor...
It is informative since it gives information technically
round pendant
You asked what I meant, I'm just saying there's many different ways to come to the same ehp value and they won't feel the same
and the base comparison between LS and SW isn't even fair since LS is effectively a 150% ehp increase when used at that low hp (because of the heal)
so all in all nim isn't wrong that DR is strong
fathom oasis
If I told you this all started with Neph arguing tracking IP value as very infor...
I feel like that's a bit of an exageration, I just find it useful to know if my HP bar has big buffer or tiny buffer
sharp gale
If I told you this all started with Neph arguing tracking IP value as very infor...
But it’s more indicative he cares too much about IP / not understand we are a DR tank
cerulean tusk
ding ding ding
lusty grotto
i feel like
sharp gale
Yes full circle
fathom oasis
Kinda
lusty grotto
there's also a weird feeling like HP somehow synergizes well with our kit
cerulean tusk
fathom oasis
Nah, it's just that one of our jobs is not letting it hit 0 haha
lusty grotto
but that case wont ever happen given our defensive use
fathom oasis
That's not true, because sometimes it's out of our control
Bad healer, dps not kicking/stopping, etc
floral trail
Would you say it’s helpful/important to switch from nelf to dwarf this season for higher keys?
cerulean tusk
Would you say it’s helpful/important to switch from nelf to dwarf this season fo...
Not at all, if you are at the level where you got to ask
o7
fathom oasis
Shouldn't happen, sure. But not wont ever happen
sharp gale
For the speed gem ?
round pendant
I prefer bad healers because I get better heal parses
actually no wait
it's good healers that let me do that
fathom oasis
I know you are being disingenuous, but a stam gem is worse than a regular stat gem regardless of healer
sharp gale
Sarcastic*
round pendant
sarcasm is disingenuous
cerulean tusk
sharp gale
I need to relook what disingenuous means I feel
fathom oasis
As long as you get the point of the statement
That point is not wrong, just unrelated
round pendant
I need to relook what disingenuous means I feel
insincere
cerulean tusk
See, me and Nepth equally stand in the same camp of being technically correct
Hellyeah!
sterile orbit
big words pls small words
fathom oasis
See, me and Nepth equally stand in the same camp of being technically correct
Best kind of correct lol
round pendant
I guess I could have simply realised sooner why LS is stronger in that case
cerulean tusk
Man today was a productive day, Nim was proven wrong. Yam had to concede. Roid gave up.
round pendant
instead of debating
cerulean tusk
Hell yeah
fathom oasis
- insert Futurama gif *
cerulean tusk
I won
sharp gale
insincere
Yeah I rechecked, it says Fourbe in French, so it explains why I don’t see sarcasm as disingenuous
fathom oasis
We all won and grew closer together
round pendant
Yeah I rechecked, it says *Fourbe* in French, so it explains why I don’t see sar...
Yeah fourbe isn't disingenuous
sharp gale
Yeah fourbe is vile deceitful
fathom oasis
Interesting, I didnt know that word
sharp gale
And kinda old French / not common used word
frosty mango
Happy is French
So we should trust him
Or maybe he’s not French. But he knows French
Which is more French than us.
fathom oasis
speed gem is a 100% DR if it lets you dodge fire
Some day ill finally get to build a speed set for farming legacy raids
I looked it up once, thought "damn, that looks like a lot of work" and never went back to it
sharp gale
double leap legendary
round pendant
okay here's a good example
sharp gale
One day
fathom oasis
Prot warrs must have been a menace in that season's rated warsong gulch
round pendant
from full hp (10m)
one 5m hit =
SW = 7m hp left
LS = 8m hp left
taking two 5m hits:
SW = 4m hp left
LS = 3m hp left
three:
SW = 1m hp left
LS = -2m hp left
and so on
LS wins again
also I might have got that SW backwards
sharp gale
You have 4 million left with shield wall after the 2 hits no ?
fathom oasis
from full hp (10m)
one 5m hit =
SW = 7m hp left
LS = 8m hp left
taking two 5m h...
First one, 5*2*.6 is 4m left no?
round pendant
sec boys I put the formula in wrong and didn't think
fathom oasis
From full HP 140% EHP is better than 120% EHP
Is the HP from LS removed when it ends in retail?
round pendant
I fixeded it
round pendant
added singular hit too
even if SW was 30%, it'd still be stronger than raw EHP from flat health
LS might let you take 1 hit more effectively but the moment you get hit more than once it's ogre
and that's all I was tryin to say really
fathom oasis
LS is only good if you are low HP when you use it
sharp gale
But a tankbuster is more like 30million
lusty grotto
feels like we're going around in circles here
fathom oasis
We are all mostly agreeing though I think
sharp gale
fathom oasis
x)
sharp gale
I track IP because I installed luxthos in S1 and never deleted it
And I never updated it btw
late sorrel
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with a 2600 io. I am constantly working on my gear, but I am wondering if there is a better build I could be working with. I am currently using the generic Maxroll m+ build for Mountain Thane. I find that I am spiking more than I would like wondering if there is a better build and set up for survivability.
cerulean tusk
No ducking way you guys still going on about LS and IP 
sharp gale
Let’s real talk funky stuff, when OF on prot ?
round pendant
uhm
fathom oasis
No ducking way you guys still going on about LS and IP <:keks:936231610850897992...
Dont look at me
cerulean tusk
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with ...
Bring logs to #1347646810457636974 or we don't know what is going on
late sorrel
Bring logs to <#1347646810457636974> or we don't know what is going on
Will do TY!
cerulean tusk
Gl mate
sharp gale
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with ...
What are the contexts of your spikes
fathom oasis
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with ...
Wowhead guide is kinda the starting point here, idk how the maxroll guide compares
cerulean tusk
Let’s real talk funky stuff, when OF on prot ?
sharp gale
Wowhead guide is kinda the starting point here, idk how the maxroll guide compar...
Pretty similar tbf
round pendant
idk I use the execute build and nothing hurts in 11s
he's prob getting punched in the butt
sharp gale
Yeah I don’t go into execute talents
pallid quiver
I think having the tank schizo jank a frontal on to you hurts
i also think getting melee'd by 4 packs after the tank flops in one global also hurts
sharp gale
Yes, but thane is fun enough, I play pretty much what he linked minus bsv for instigate and the magic dr for disrupting
round pendant
what are you referring to
fathom oasis
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with ...
You are missing the aoe interrupt
And rage from your autos
I think the aoe kick is incredibly useful in m+
lusty grotto
Oi, Looking for some advice. Starting to push M+ 11's. I am currently 707 with ...
use the wowhead weekly build
and if you need BSV
swap massacre for it
thats it
sharp gale
Btw I did few dungeons with the nailed shield talent, it still stinks
fathom oasis
If he wants to push:
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late sorrel
You are missing the aoe interrupt
This has been awesome, thank you!
lusty grotto
dont use that build
round pendant
I wouldn't use the push build below 15s tbh
lusty grotto
youre not doing push keys
use the weekly build
and swap massacre for BSV if you need it
cerulean tusk
Btw I did few dungeons with the nailed shield talent, it still stinks
It's great for passive threat gen while gathering, and on giga pulls it does around 5%
Pretty good for what it is 
late sorrel
Thank you sir!
round pendant
if BSV is saving you before that point you're kinda just playing bad
it's comfy tho
sharp gale
It's great for passive threat gen while gathering, and on giga pulls it does aro...
The threat is indeed very good, but like you say you need gigantic amount of trashs hitting you
round pendant
Plan your builds around never making mistakes and then simply never make mistakes 
cerulean tusk
The threat is indeed very good, but like you say you need gigantic amount of tra...
Or gnolls with stacking aa speed or giga haste values
round pendant
I can't decide, watch some movie or something or go suffer on my rogue in pugs
cerulean tusk
🍿 movie 🍿
sharp gale
All thrice
late sorrel
I can't decide, watch some movie or something or go suffer on my rogue in pugs
Go watch Weapons.
round pendant
is it streamable yet
late sorrel
rent or buy