like, sure they can survive but theyre literally making it harder on themselves
#protection
strong forum
warm plinth
My personal favorite is the one I saw where they were running bloodborne but no shield spec and no ravager node
clever heart
gotcha ! so do you think the best talent tree build is still the wow head one ?
deft vessel
gotcha ! so do you think the best talent tree build is still the wow head one ?
seeing as he's the author of that...
😄
strong forum
yes, you can swap bloodsurge for something else if you wish
clever heart
seeing as he's the author of that...
lol just checking if time has changed any opinions
warm plinth
bloodsurge I assume you meant?
tribal rover
I didn’t read through all of this but I have all trinkets and if your going for damage I found Tomb being used with a weak aura for max up time with ceaseless ire gives me the most dmg on my play style.
strong forum
and if you want to pick up cleave execute or massacre, you drop enduring alacrity for that
cuz that talent is the weakest in the 3rd gate
strong forum
bloodsurge I assume you meant?
ye
neon elk
I just wish they would allow us to play thunderlord without needing LS
neon elk
Not saying its bad but i find myself pressing it very rarely
deft vessel
LS?
strong forum
as it lasts vastly longer than SW
deft vessel
oh the hero talent
strong forum
last stand
deft vessel
oh nvm xD i see
tribal rover
gotcha ! so do you think the best talent tree build is still the wow head one ?
It depends on your play style and what level your playing at. That setup I use when doing higher keys.
deft vessel
last stand is goated, even without the buff node to it
deft vessel
I dunno, I like it 😄
clever heart
It depends on your play style and what level your playing at. That setup I use w...
ya seems like u smarties agree.
just needed some reassurance because archon reports ALOT of people doin diff builds.
strong forum
that happens a lot when a spec gets popular
for DPS its more 1dimensional and consequential
tribal rover
ya seems like u smarties agree.
just needed some reassurance because archon rep...
Problem with archon is a lot of people do it wrong
deft vessel
trust in the guide writers 🙂
strong forum
for Tanks, theres more leeway
tribal rover
What level keys you running?
deft vessel
I'm somewhat late to season so mostly running 6s/7s right now
warm plinth
I'm doing 13s/14s and I'm still using the weekly build on wowhead
clever heart
Problem with archon is a lot of people do it wrong
4 sure. but still, when its showing you what % the top 100 io players are doing & u see 90% of them doing a diff talent it is worth asking imo
warm plinth
Haven't felt in danger yet
strong forum
never hurts to ask
data evaluation is a critical skill many people do not possess
which is why tierlists are so popular
clever heart
never hurts to ask
❤️ ty
tribal rover
4 sure. but still, when its showing you what % the top 100 io players are doing ...
Remember the top players are playing on teams that know each other. If you want my builds for lower keys va higher keys dm me and I’ll send them today.
strong forum
i personally would probably run the execute damage build until idk 15/16s cuz im a wh ore
fucking automod hitting me cuz i wanna insult myself
warm plinth
LOL
clever heart
LOL
tribal rover
Yeah I run straight up max dos setup until 13’s then I start to change it a bit for pug groups
jagged pier
well someone died the other day because the server tick hadnt happened for them to get the buff
dry skiff
i'm putting alot of faith into my To-be-had weapon and Antenna + consumable to make up for the 1m dps 
currently have a 704 weapon
dusky canopy
What did you craft?
dry skiff
not weapon because i was sure i would get 1st boss mythic weapon
clever heart
im also not a fan of BSV cuz cheats are for the weak
i get confused about this. is it even a true cheat ? like if something would overkill you do you get saved ? the way it reads to me seems like just a DR not a cheat.
dry skiff
it did drop but a frost dk ninja looted it and asked for 400k gold. couldnt afford it and he said he would transmog
warm plinth
No, but it's dynamic and realistically it's going to save you from the vast majority of things
clever heart
kk that's wat I thought. just checkin
warm plinth
It's pretty safe to consider it a cheat due to how it functions, even if it isn't really a cheat
strong forum
Mostly plant
strong forum
Oh you mean for cloak
deft vessel
strong forum
Whatever your Sims says, or just haste until you have too much
deft vessel
what's "too much haste"
strong forum
More than 26k
deft vessel
unbuffed I assume
deft vessel
i guess food is a bit only
strong forum
Food is 
tribal rover
Veratility atm but it again depends on your current stats and how hard your pushing. We are tanks so don’t worry about sim too much.
deft vessel
I'm nowhere near, okay, haste it is 
strong forum
Stats beyond having good haste practically don't matter
tribal rover
I run 21k crit 22.5k haste and 19% vers
strong forum
So yeh don't break your head over it
frosty mango
which is why tierlists are so popular
Critical thinking is a skill many people don’t possess, they’re very lazy
That’s why tier lists are popular
FTFY
frosty mango
You’re too wholesome nome you gotta shame the populace into submission
strong forum
deft vessel
doing my best okay
I can swap one of my rings actually probably worth buying a socket for it even if it's champion
tribal rover
What’s your haste at?
strong forum
You’re too wholesome nome you gotta shame the populace into submission
Being nice is the best way of being an asshole
deft vessel
What’s your haste at?
mine? just under 20k
frosty mango
Being nice is the best way of being an asshole
Ok I can’t really disagree there
strong forum
Or rather, nice is just the little brother of asshole
frosty mango
I can swap one of my rings actually probably worth buying a socket for it even i...
For what it’s worth you can put 2 sockets on rings and necks
tribal rover
Yeah your gear is your problem. Run 6-7 for keys and get gear you need. Wowhead bis is perfect world senario if you have every piece that’s why the one ring is a mastery ring because you’ll be maxed on the other stats
frosty mango
Use the item twice
deft vessel
For what it’s worth you can put 2 sockets on rings and necks
I know, just not sure if it's worth doing on champ items lol
frosty mango
With your current gear it would probably behoove you to farm streets for the ring and then halls, which has a solid haste neck, that would prob sort out your haste issue
Halls also drops a good m+ trinket
tribal rover
Dawnbreaker has a good ring
deft vessel
Yeah your gear is your problem. Run 6-7 for keys and get gear you need. Wowhead ...
I know lol, that wasn't really a question, it only came up cus nomeratur mentioned "too much haste" and I got curious what that might be
actively farming 6s and 7s rn
tribal rover
For trinkets if your not raiding yet I would use tomb and sac
deft vessel
yeah, doing that already
tribal rover
For my play style I got until soft cap and a little build for haste. 21-22 ish. I do the same thing for crit.
tribal rover
yeah, doing that already
If you want advice one on one I don’t mind helping. I was in the same boat not to long ago and a warrior took time to work with me. It’s all about stats and rotation.
deft vessel
I'm good, thanks, I'm neither new to the game, nor to prot warrior, so I think I can find my way around things 🙂 thanks though
tribal rover
No problem was just trying to help.
blazing shuttle
Why do people shit on Last Stand? It's a free 30% heal and +30% HP. On big keys when starting a big pull, or after a buster, it can be a life saver.
Sure it's not BROKEN, but...
deft vessel
because it's not damage and it's on the path to damage I assume
tribal rover
I use it
deft vessel
so people grumble that they need to take non-damage (albeit useful non-damage) for damage
tribal rover
Not in raid but in keys
mellow bridge
because in any content that actually does dmg, 30% hp is super weak
blazing shuttle
In raid, I would agree, it feels like shit
mellow bridge
it's a 3 min cd that gets outclassed by demo shout
blazing shuttle
But in keys, damn do I love it
mellow bridge
lmao
blazing shuttle
Also, Thunderlord in keys <3
Demo shout, less than 20 seconds later, it's back.
hollow python
for weekly keys is colossus or MT preferred currently
frosty mango
I’ve been switching to hunker down in later keys and myth raid
Some of those spells are scarrrry
frosty mango
Helps a lot on fights like soulbinder imo
tribal rover
It’s good for king when you have to mitigate the beam
frosty mango
That mystic lash, espec if you take multiple
frosty mango
Dawnbreaker I also find it useful
blazing shuttle
Oh yeah I can imagine
frosty mango
Where you’re constantly getting ass blasted by shadow
The rest of the keys I’m not super sold on yet
As of now I only think dawn
blazing shuttle
Priory?.
frosty mango
And I didn’t really feel in danger until 17
tribal rover
I don’t use it on dawn but haven’t had a surv problem there yet.
frosty mango
Priory?.
IMO cd timings are ok without it for priory bc the only real danger is the paladin tolls
blazing shuttle
Yeah
frosty mango
And you generally have wall up
blazing shuttle
frosty mango
I don’t use it on dawn but haven’t had a surv problem there yet.
The first/second pull can be scary if you get the channel dot 2 times in a row
And then the shadow blade guys after first boss, the big pull by the miniboss there
Imo that big pull in the building near the first miniboss is the scariest pull in any key right now
For tanks
tribal rover
Yeah I use spell reflect there just don’t think hd is needed but I’m only on 13-14 keys atm
hollow python
is it just preference for Colossus or MT for Mythic+ or is there a clear better performing spec?
frosty mango
is it just preference for Colossus or MT for Mythic+ or is there a clear better ...
Once you have 4pc, thane is significantly better
deft vessel
from what I understand colossus is better early on at lower gear levels, but after mountain thane is clearly better?
blazing shuttle
Imo that big pull in the building near the first miniboss is the scariest pull i...
The church?
tribal rover
I played colossus last season it was fun. Running mt this season
deft vessel
I'll be damned lmao
blazing shuttle
Oh my goodness what in the masochism is that
I used to do it S2 but iwth the mobs in the back
blazing shuttle
Yeah depends tbf
frosty mango
lose effiiciency but also reduce a lot of risk
blazing shuttle
Cause DB's timer is all about remmbering you remove 4 minutes because fo that last fuckiing boss
"Land already! LAND!!!"
mellow yoke
Cause DB's timer is all about remmbering you remove 4 minutes because fo that la...
thats why
you do a pack
in the intermission
to save like a minute
blazing shuttle
Call me stupid, but I never thought of it.
Nor really checked higher level keys that do that.
pseudo wasp
whats better crafted 720 longsword or Oath-Breaker at 704 4/6 hero track from raid?
blazing shuttle
Oh yeah agreed.
mellow yoke
he wont kill your group
blazing shuttle
Boss deals little to no damages.
blazing shuttle
Interesting.
mellow yoke
blazing shuttle
Thank you.
mellow yoke
p14 for example
cause it's a small pack
and if you blasted CDs on the
mob before boss
your CDS will align
for the pack
then mid p2 boss you have CDs again
and BL
blazing shuttle
I don't see P14
mellow yoke
the red one
blazing shuttle
Gotcha.
mellow yoke
it's just a little more AoE damage
mellow yoke
but you save like a minute
blazing shuttle
Yeah it's enormous.
high latch
Wait, you do p14 inbetween p1 and p2 of last boss? It that a thing?
mellow yoke
Wait, you do p14 inbetween p1 and p2 of last boss? It that a thing?
of course
it's been a thing for
2 weeks
onyx spruce
What u guys suggest for crafting for prot warr is best ? i see some recommandations for belt and bracers with crit embelishment and on another i see wep and shield?
high latch
What u guys suggest for crafting for prot warr is best ? i see some recommandati...
The ideal setup is to fill every slot with regular myth track gear except belt and bracers where you want your embellishments with minimal loss due to lower ilvl.
But outside of that scenario, shield and weapon are the best crafts, in that order.
onyx spruce
well considering my current gear i will go with belt and bracers..
high latch
If you already have myth track shield and weapon, that is probably a great choice.
slow viper
Guys what rotation do we use to maximize dps?
high latch
Guys what rotation do we use to maximize dps?
Depends on your build, so I would recommend checking out the rotation section of the Wowhead guide.
slow viper
I play MT sometimes i feel like im pumping and some other times im at kind of low dps
high latch
I play MT sometimes i feel like im pumping and some other times im at kind of lo...
It also depends on if you're running the execute talents or not, how highly you value execute.
But maybe your issue is simply that you press IP too much so you get starved for rage and have empty GCDs some times?
I would check the Wowhead guide to see if you are making any obvious mistakes, but aside from that you'd need to link us a log or something to help you in any meaningful way.
slow viper
Kk many thanks i will check it out
What values of hast crit vers mast we should aimimg for?
high latch
What values of hast crit vers mast we should aimimg for?
The only really important thing is to have enough haste. That means 21-25k so you can run ITF without losing too much Shield Block uptime. Before that you instead run Heavy Repercussions.
After that crit and vers is about equal for us, and mastery is slightly behind those. But ilvl is king, and mastery is not a bad stat.
You can also just sim your potential upgrades to get the correct answer each time.
slow viper
Thanks boys
fathom oasis
Wait, you do p14 inbetween p1 and p2 of last boss? It that a thing?
Someone shared here a clip of gingi doing it a few days ago
high latch
Someone shared here a clip of gingi doing it a few days ago
I mean.. It makes a lot of sense. Otherwise you go down to the final area and wait an hour for the boss to land.
fathom oasis
In case you want to check it out
high latch
I will, thanks
fathom oasis
Boss cast does nothing if no one is close
high latch
My plan was to just send it in a key, but probably a good idea to see a clip.
fathom oasis
If you want to be safe, tank goes first in case a cast goes off while approaching, kicks and then everyone lands and goes ham
high latch
Sounds pug-safe to me. At least if I clearly communicate it before we start.
fathom oasis
Yeah, looks pretty safe
rough egret
solid sun
got on my hunter (war is close behind)
Big gratis
fathom oasis
halls is ez now after nerfs
Im still looking for a nice route that exploits how much slashers are worth now
Even now so many routes skip a few slashers and it just kinda feels bad
neon elk
Halls feels weird now like its easier than before but somehow i have worse succes rate there..
fathom oasis
If anyone has a spicy new route please do share
solid sun
I’m so tired of pugs. Did 4 keys this morning and it’s time for a break for like a week
neon elk
Yea just failed streets 15 because 3 people decided they will brain freeze on last boss and not take portal ..
Pugs are wild
solid sun
Failed a gambit because the healer couldn’t dodge the circles on the ground on the last boss
Well there were other issues but that stuck out the most to me since it happened multiple times
neon elk
Yea and then u do a random 12 or 13 key where your pugs perform like mdi players out of sudden xd
solid sun
Two starred an ED
Then dps wanted to shit talk my route for 5 minutes
Like idk man we two starred it why am I getting shit on rn
neon elk
Some people are just different idk , bitching about everything doing bare minimum ..
deft mortar
Im still looking for a nice route that exploits how much slashers are worth now
I just get the pack in the middle now
after 1st boss
its so fkn easy
the 2 patrols are gone
neon elk
Those last 2mofos in flood are skiped by pulling them to one side and group huging the other , or is there anything special to it
warm plinth
Big gratis
ty qtpie
deft mortar
I can't wait for them to make solo queue M+ and have a separate rating for it
urban portal
I can't wait for them to make solo queue M+ and have a separate rating for it
I’m waiting for ppl to complain about matchmaking
strong forum
soloQ would cause more harm than good
sure it might get you into a key more often on average
but getting compliant teammates?
in a game where most pugs cant think for more than their arm is long when it comes to group comp
aint gonna go down well either youre gonna be held at gun point, get griefed or see more keys abandoned than ever simply BECAUSE you get so "quickly" into a new game (itll quickly have the same issues as solo shuffle pvp where a dps queue will be 10-20x longer than tank and especially healer queue)
frozen berry
Yeah healers and tanks have no point in soloqueing
You get in groups fast enough as is
bronze wraith
Is symbiotic ethergaze any good? the trinket puts up HPS similiar to my ignore pain at 710
high latch
Is symbiotic ethergaze any good? the trinket puts up HPS similiar to my ignore p...
It's decent, but we have plenty of better options.
bronze wraith
I am having a hard time with tank trinkets this season.
high latch
I can't see it matching your IP though.. I checked my last log when I used that trinket early in the season and my IP was ~50% of my "healing" and the trinket was ~20%.
bronze wraith
What trinkets should I be aiming for?
mellow yoke
Brand is your n 1 bis
strong forum
your best trinkets come from raid
high latch
What trinkets should I be aiming for?
A good generic guide is the trinket tier list on Wowhead. But yeah, Brand + one of: antenna, pacemaker, tome
bronze wraith
I have a 704 atenna and a 691 brand
high latch
Those are solid
bronze wraith
I have been using 710 ethergauze and 691 brand.
high latch
I'd use Antenna over Ethergauze 100%
high latch
It is a decent defensive trinket. But Antenna is much better.
bronze wraith
Is it just that good for damage?
mellow yoke
i mean
high latch
No, the crit gives you parry chance too
high latch
Pretty much.. There are more defensive trinket and talent choices compared to pure damage, but the vast majority of your tankiness comes from your core gameplay.
strong forum
treat gear like the gas for your car
yeah you need it
but if you use the wrong gasm youll brick your motor, and even if your run premium gas, if a grandma is driving your corolla it aint going nowhere
but get a rally driver and hes shredding
high latch
Wise words. Never let your grandma tank your keys.
warm plinth
How did Nome know I drive a corolla 😱
warm plinth
That's a good show
bronze wraith
Nevermind. That is such a huge amount of crit
high latch
Yeah it's nuts.
strong forum
bronze wraith
Alsom why is champ gear 6 items level under heroic max?
high latch
Because Blizz doesn't want the gap to be bigger
oblique quarry
Isn’t hero max 710 and myth max 723
strong forum
high latch
Yeah, the gap to myth is quite a bit bigger
warm plinth
Found the noob who doesnt play wow smh
warm plinth
I still love you
mortal cypress
Found the noob who doesnt play wow smh
smart people don't play wow
warm plinth
True
high latch
True
mortal cypress
True
cerulean tusk
True
serene wave
Sorry what talent is ITF and what does it replace once I got enough haste?
high latch
Sorry what talent is ITF and what does it replace once I got enough haste?
Into the Fray. Replaces Heavy Repercussions at 21-25k+ haste
serene wave
Thank you, I'll keep an eye on it as I think I have enough!
vital vale
Sorry what talent is ITF and what does it replace once I got enough haste?
once you have enough haste, the cooldown of shield block drops enough for you to be able to maintain its uptime, which means you dont need heavy repercussions talent, and can take into the fray to further get its uptime as well as the power bonus of the extra haste
high latch
once you have enough haste, the cooldown of shield block drops enough for you to...
Pretty much, but be aware that even with that much haste you cannot get 100% uptime like you can with HR. The 21k threshold is when ITF gets good enough.
Some people choose to just run HR regardless of their haste for easy SB uptime.
vital vale
yeah, shield charge fills in the blanks spaces
high latch
No, you're limited to about 95% uptime
vital vale
yeah but its enough
high latch
It is. I run ITF myself. It's just a misconception that running ITF with 21k+ haste gives you 100% uptime.
lime urchin
95% uptime in details or logs?
warm plinth
You won't hit 100% in either one. Will be less in logs ofc because it counts out of combat time
high latch
And for the sake of a complete argument: The important thing isn't actually the SB uptime. It's about maximizing how many melees you block.
lime urchin
Exactly
warm plinth
I have like 26k haste and I still have a moment or two now and then where I can't shield block or shield charge
high latch
Sure, you'll have a few milliseconds in the beginning of combat while charging in where it's not up, but it's practcally 100% with HR.
lime spruce
what's the min ilvl to feasibly tank a +10, working on my VDH alt and I'm at a modest 667 but climbing just fine
about to rip a +7
warm plinth
You could tank a 10 at that ilevel but getting invited is another story
lime spruce
well it's my key lol
high latch
Yeah.. It would be tough if everyone in the party was at that level, but you can tank it if you have decent people with you
warm plinth
Getting people to apply is also a bit sus
lime spruce
right on I'll keep on keeping on, got a pretty phat group for my +7, seems like if I offer my key I can get carry groups around me
urban portal
+3 the 7 and ask the guys if they wanna do the 10
pulsar epoch
guys is my haste a bit high ?
blazing shuttle
I'm more concerned about your ring not being enchanted.
pulsar epoch
i will enchant it xD
strong forum
cant tell if 42% is high
need a haste rating number
cuz we have so many multipliers it might even be low
pulsar epoch
high latch
24k is good
pulsar epoch
thanks
high latch
I've also heard it's fine to go to 27k, but I personally recommend 21-25k.
high latch
I prefer to focus crit after I have enough haste so I would consider 10k crit a bit low, but it really doesn't matter much. It just means you have more of vers and mastery which is also good.
remote hollow
so how much crit is ok for rating
as much as u can fit in
like... i feel like 30-35% of crit is good with flask up, about 18k crit ish? or so
high latch
The real answer is sim it. It'll tell you what stats are most worth to you at that moment.
remote hollow
yeah if u aim for as much dps
high latch
If you blindly focus on haste/crit then mastery and vers will suddenly be really good
remote hollow
but if u aim for "feeling good" then i might say 30-35 crit, about 15-20% vers and 40% haste
but again, its not sim and MY ONLY preferences
as dan say - sim if u aim for as much dps as possible
high latch
If you don't care about min-maxing you can just make sure to aim for 21-25k haste then chase ilvl.
frosty mango
I've also heard it's fine to go to 27k, but I personally recommend 21-25k.
I have 32k
I like to live dangerously
high latch
Watch out or you're gonna get a speeding ticket
frosty mango
I read somewhere more haste lets me get my antenna orbs faster
-# that’s sarcasm don’t hit me
Wtb 90s str mastery trinket tho
Araz is my only real troll burst option and I am not here for it
slim egret
Hi, I have a question. How much damage does the combat stance do compared to the defensive stance?
strong forum
3%
slim egret
3% overall dmg?
strong forum
best case, yea
slim egret
in a dungeon?
idle copper
is a 691 Brand any good against a 704 Pacemaker?
high latch
Brand is probably better, unless it's a short fight
strong forum
thats a sim question 
mental charm
so i got a question for y'all
idle copper
ty
mental charm
what is the best overall time you should have on the uptime of your defensives? (i.e ignore pain, shield block, shield wall, etc.)
strong forum
yes
high latch
Agreed. Yes.
pallid quiver
As much as you can as long as they're active when you absolutely need them
strong forum
SB uptime should be yes
ignore pain should be yes, SW should be used frequently on mechanics and when gathering packs
the game aint as easy as "okay you want 93.5% exact uptime on this"
you want to ensure to always have SB up when actively tanking
IP to smooth damage intake, it should be up 80% rotationally anyway from just playing
SW is an 8sec defensive, use it as you are about to take large damage
you aint trying to fill a bar or file your taxes
mental charm
okay. i appreciate your answer. i've just been going over trying to optimize my gameplay
viral grove
Just got AOTC thanks to stuff I learned here
lusty grotto
grim pilot
You should strive to rotate your defensives actively on packs
Almost always u should have something running
Demo shout, wall
Uptime is w.e
bleak breach
How do I sim for using d stance vs battle stance? Or does anyone know the rough difference?
bleak breach
Just curious of the damage difference
lusty grotto
1 second
actions.precombat+=/defensive_stance,toggle=on try this in the custom apl
but im not sure if it'll work
bleak breach
Ahh yep
cerulean tusk
Ya telling me that our sims are inflated?
lusty grotto
if i got the key wrong it wont, i gotta check whats the specific name
cerulean tusk
3% aurabuff when to compensate?
latent steppe
is it best to play colossus or mountain thane for the keys above +15??
lime spruce
demo shout goes on CD for damage
wait but unironically taht's how I play am I doing it wrong 😂
strong forum
He's the final boss, clearly supposed to be hard!!
pallid quiver
i'd recommend them to press a defensive at the single point where he pumps notable unavoidable damage out
warm plinth
What almost one shots?
pallid quiver
What almost one shots?
Probably the aoe pulse when all the statues get pulled/pushed
There's other aoe pulses when statues get tossed, but it's minor in comparison
cerulean tusk
HoA last boss got something that kills?
pallid quiver
I wager most people are heavy undergeared who are running +9s at this point
or are the special kind of bad where they just somehow take more damage
cerulean tusk
I just stand in all the mechanics, doesnt bother me
warm plinth
Because sometimes you take the aoe from every statue, sometimes just one or two
cerulean tusk
get knocked? Free chrage
warm plinth
And sometimes not at all
humble relic
Would anyone happen to have a Shield Block WA that shows how much duration you have on the shieldblock?
warm plinth
You can make one with a template
New pre-made aura, choose if you want icon/ bar/ whatever, choose shield block and then when you want it shown
humble relic
tyvm!
warm plinth
I really want to know who at blizzard thought ms effects were a good idea when blood dk exists lol
pallid quiver
I really want to know who at blizzard thought ms effects were a good idea when b...
when mortal strike existed before bdk
sharp gale
Or that it is SO FUN bdk rotation consumes his armor mitigation
warm plinth
when mortal strike existed before bdk
True but that was many many years ago lol
humble relic
For a fresh warrior what gems do I use for Cyrces?
lusty grotto
no idea why you would run it
since veteran gear is better
probably easier to just run weekly events than getting that ring atm
and/or the hollowfall thing
silk apex
what is good M+ score
Imo start of season if u get 2600-3000 is good with pugs
grim pilot
demo shout goes on CD for damage
Usually yeah but some keys and some packs or bosses u have to hold a bit
sharp gale
what is good M+ score
For what key lvl ?
I feel like over 3k a safe score territory / you get few rotten apples
prime sphinx
somehow got all the jewelry from my deathless taza runs - haste/crit neck, haste/crit ring and now haste/vers ring
fathom oasis
I feel like over 3k a safe score territory / you get few rotten apples
honestly, in my experience people with very high score tend to be toxic way more often
fathom oasis
had a dude with 3.2k who refused to do a +10 after wiping on the first pull
even as the other 4 wanted to continue. After 4-maning 4 packs easily people refused to continue because they didnt want to 4man the whole dungeon and have said person get loot from it
fathom oasis
this has nothing to do with DK effect, it has to do with people who consider themselves very skilled sometimes look down on people who don't have a rating as high as they do
sharp gale
this has nothing to do with DK effect, it has to do with people who consider the...
That’s exactly the DK effect
solid sun
Today I had someone with 2700 io shit talk my friend who also has 2700 io for being a “low io child”
:D
Everybody out here wildin’ out
fathom oasis
nah, the DK effect is about how you overestimate your abilities when you have no knowledge in a specific field
sharp gale
They don’t see how vastly not that skilled they are so they are over confident / toxic
fathom oasis
nah, they are skilled
just assholes
in the case i'm outlining at least
you can be both skilled and toxic
sharp gale
nah, they are skilled
They are more skilled they you, yes. Skilled I wouldn’t even put myself in this category with 3k3, some people have 500 more rio than me
3k900 plays a game I couldn’t comprehend the scale
fathom oasis
there's always people that are more skilled than any particular person, but I wouldn't say people over 3.2k rio are not skilled (in general) as they are within the top 1% of players
sharp gale
You’re so skilled dude
I would become an asshole if I accept I’m skilled
solid sun
I just got so owned
sharp gale
above average is my motto 
fathom oasis
you can recognize your skill without being an asshole, in fact i think it's healthy to realize what you are good at, and what needs improving
round pendant
Ha this conversation again
sharp gale
Nop, to me, recognizing I’m a good player mean everyone who are under me are bad, so I wouldn’t touch this path too close
pallid quiver
I couldn't care less what I'm good at, just what there is to improve
being good will happen eventually as a result
round pendant
I got called an elitist last time this came up
Even tho I was just saying 3k is way more accessible than people think, effectively
sharp gale
- that
pallid quiver
Even tho I was just saying 3k is way more accessible than people think, effectiv...
bold statement to make when I get 3 dungeons for my keys smh
round pendant
Top 10% or whatever 3k is ATM isn't that much when most of the player base isn't trying
round pendant
Top 10% amongst players who put in time and effort? Yeah that's a good player
sharp gale
Rocking your head in 12s-13s 3 hours everyday, you will get your 3k, I don’t see as skill, but I acknowledge if you pick someone over 3k, you have more chance to find someone « good »
round pendant
Rio is just not a good metric of skill outside of the high end
fathom oasis
Top 10% amongst players who put in time and effort? Yeah that's a good player
i mean, that is just a subjective line that follows your personal ideas
where is the line drawn between a player who puts said time and effort
and how could you even measure it
sharp gale
i think 2.7k is 10%
There is a jump in score with 12s that screw the digit situation
round pendant
80 20 rule
20% of the effort gets you 80% of the way there
And the way rio works
Since you can't lose it and keys that'll take you to 2500 or so don't require much skill
Since objectively they're easy enough you can get to that rating by just hitching a ride with puggers
You don't even have to kick and 1 button rotation is enough
So that's where I'd draw the line personally
round pendant
Low failure rate, you can ignore most mechanics and still pass as nothing is all that punishing
fathom oasis
ease is not something objective, it's subjective by its very definition
in any case, 3.2k is the top 1% of all m+ players. Even if you think only 20% of people try, that's still the top 5%
solid sun
Difficulty is not a good discussion or descriptor imo
Some people say dark souls games are very difficult and other people do hitless no armor runs like it’s nbd
round pendant
3.2k is notably harder than 3k
fathom oasis
yeah, that was the rating from the guy i had a bad experience with, that couldn't be arsed to do a 10 because of a single wipe
i'm sure the guy was skilled
round pendant
It is kinda of the sweet spot for arrogant people I've noticed too tho
So you're not wrong
They're just ahead of the curve of people who try to push and it gets to their head
But they're awful compared to 3.5k+ players
fathom oasis
for sure
fathom oasis
yeah, but the system is kinda crap, you can only report for having an unappropiate name (not applicable) or for unappropiate communication (which only allows stuff like: spam, scam and stuff like that)
round pendant
Yeah I noticed that but apparently if you click their frame and report you get different options
solid sun
^
round pendant
Doesn't work for me but I figured it was a Cell issue
fathom oasis
nope, only displayed those 2
and trying to report for any reason in the "communication" field threw back an error, indicating it could only be done from a chat line
neon elk
Try to click their name in chat and report it that way
fathom oasis
i guess those reports need to be associated to the actual chat
yeah, that's what we did in the end
nocturne spindle
uhh
theres like a vaguely gameplay one under communciation i think
which is what i report them as
fathom oasis
but 2-4 reports for what would be considered the same as spamming probably amounts to nothing, sadly
the /abandon system has been a huge success imo, hopefully they implement ways to "punish" people who refuse to follow the vote in the future
nocturne spindle
thats what there for me
fathom oasis
thats what there for me
How strange, we definitely didn't have that option
Maybe because once you enter a m+ dungeon the contextual menu sort of changes? (like, you can't kick people from the group, for example)
Next time you enter a key, try and see if you get the same options inside
Because if that's the reason we shoulda dropped group before reporting I guess
round pendant
I don't think the abandon system really does anything
If one guy really doesn't want to play he's not gonna
small steeple
That’s exactly the DK effect
no
warm plinth
thats what there for me
Sadly this set of options is not consistently shown. And it's only available on the target frame of the person (not the party frame), and even then it's not always there. For example right now, I can't report either of my party members for that (even using their target frame), but if I target a random person in Dornogal, I can.
tacit viper
whose a good prot warr youtuber / streamer i can watch to improve my gameplay
frosty mango
whose a good prot warr youtuber / streamer i can watch to improve my gameplay
We generally recommend against this as videos are just a snapshot in time
The wowhead guide is well vetted and has great info
tacit viper
I'll make sure to keep that up then, thanks 🙂
reef junco
@tacit viper Plenty of streamers in Promotion channel, but if m+ is your thing Yodatv and Kira both do high keys and explain routes, cd rotation, party composition and encounter strategy.
shrewd grove
Please do not come in here asking why Yoda does weird shit, though. The answer is because he's a weirdo, and he's VERY frequently wrong about Prot Warrior
vestal epoch
Please do not come in here asking why Yoda does weird shit, though. The answer i...
I have been watching him exclusively.. 😆
lusty grotto
I have been watching him exclusively.. 😆
thats fine to do, his routing and shotcalling are very good and just for general stuff
but warrior takes on that level, we really cant talk about since some of it can be feelcrafty
so class/spec specific
frosty mango
Streamers tend to do things that align with the level of content they are doing
lusty grotto
Sense and Plka are usually the ones we recommend the most @tacit viper
frosty mango
(No offense) you are not yoda or Kira and if you try to do what they do in your 12
It’s gonna end quickly and badly
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Also people like yoda and Kira play with set groups who are very good at pressing their buttons
Also they are just better than us
At the game in general lol
lusty grotto
mortal cypress
Also they are just better than us
Speak for urself lol
frosty mango
We need to get yoda in this discord
So we can have a 3 way death match between yoda, Kira, and sense
Nome can officiate
lusty grotto
and plka (but plka has been around forever as well)
frosty mango
Gillick too?
lusty grotto
since pretty much forever
mortal cypress
https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235
RIP Michael Jackson, the King of Pop
toxic pewter
Wat every1 doin
mortal cypress
questin
hot dome
yo can anyone help me out here on why i died to this through shield wall, is it just the 32 stacks truck that crazy?
pull was aoe miniboss with 2 tacticians and the 2 mobs in front of them in dawnbreaker miniboss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AnFvzKJdW8QVYDfZ?fight=4 log if u want to dig
ok nvm i dropped shield block for .1 seconds and got instantly deleted, completely on me
mortal cypress
ok nvm i dropped shield block for .1 seconds and got instantly deleted, complete...
How could you do this Ben? You let your team down, you let your family down, and most of all, you let yourself down
hot dome
🙁
lusty grotto
ok nvm i dropped shield block for .1 seconds and got instantly deleted, complete...
also
reflect shadowblades
look at our pinned blockable/reflectable guide, always updated
and its also on the #protection-faq
it will help reset stacks
frosty mango
They also enrage
Depending on key level you gotta kite
Tacticians are scary scary
fathom oasis
heroic leap is the best defensive
solid sun
Did you know that heroic leap resets the CD on taunt
solar forum
Did you know that heroic leap resets the CD on taunt
wtf
solid sun
lusty grotto
every single time
solid sun
@frosty mango do you have an updated halls route
sinful copper
King of pop - corn.
King of pop - coke.
sinful copper
Did you know that heroic leap resets the CD on taunt
Chat is this real
frosty mango
<@228540157333078016> do you have an updated halls route
yea
solid sun
Chat is this real
sinful copper
Chat is this Photoshop
lusty grotto
sorbitol youve been here so long
sinful copper
Jk
lusty grotto
oh thank god
lusty grotto
have we
solid sun
Otherwise I'll do some weird W route
sinful copper
Yeah I joined a key with u, 13 halls I think, on my frost dk
And it failed in first 10 min
So it was fleeting
Also, my friend is your guild leader
frosty mango
Can you shoot one over
for pull 8 (first boss) the 2 guys are technically extra but I pull them for funnel
if you dont have an arcane or dh just skip them
make sure you do pull 2 before 3 (second shard) bc doing back 2 back shards is misery for the healer
lusty grotto
Also, my friend is your guild leader
jack?
solid sun
You fight the dudes channeling onto the boss?
fathom oasis
https://threechest.io?id=d7xmvmgnhjv
what key level is this for?
frosty mango
You fight the dudes channeling onto the boss?
yes they do nothing and give %
solid sun
holy guacamole
fathom oasis
usually see 9 and 10 together
lusty grotto
Yeah I joined a key with u, 13 halls I think, on my frost dk
was this recent? i was drunk last night and fucked two different streets lmao
frosty mango
what key level is this for?
15+ typically
sinful copper
Like 3-4 days ago
frosty mango
usually see 9 and 10 together
if you pull 9 and 10 together double anklebiters will murder your group
lusty grotto
before or after the nerfs?
sinful copper
After
frosty mango
if youre running like a 10
lusty grotto
lol
frosty mango
id prob do 9/10/11 together tbh
lusty grotto
but i need to pull my weight a lot more
going from arms to fury has been kinda rough for me
and relearning havoc to boot
frosty mango
halls is pretty w key now really the only thing I think people consistently miss is you can pull the trash into the third boss easily bc it doesnt do anything and taking a class with mortal strike makes a massive timer difference bc the miniboss at the end dies like a billion times faster if you do
lusty grotto
which is... a lot more complex than i remember in BFA lmao
at least pre-s3 tier
now its just
seems complex, but is fucking easy
frosty mango
pwar/rsham/dh/arcane/fdk is prime halls group
dh has mortalstrike and funnel
fdk has mass aoe
arcane funnel nukes shards
fathom oasis
id prob do 9/10/11 together tbh
13+ atm still, was working on trying this:
https://threechest.io?id=ba04kz0odp5
lusty grotto
this is mine
oops
the three collectors in front of first boss
as long as you tag em
they literally come back to life
and you can funnel into the boss
they do nothing, the cast you use a stop on
fathom oasis
ye, but they heal back up to full
fathom oasis
so timing is kinda weird
sinful copper
pwar/rsham/dh/arcane/fdk is prime halls group
dh has mortalstrike and funnel
fdk...
This comp is just so good for all keys haha
fathom oasis
like, you need to get there before they get sucked
but if you are there too early, you are wasting time
frosty mango
This comp is just so good for all keys haha
i would flip the dh for a ret or a bm depending on the key
fathom oasis
that's why i was planning on doing funnel with other packs
frosty mango
ret is great in dawnbreaker
lusty grotto
nah dude
collectors dont do shit
literally
easiest caster in the dungeon
dunno why people even kick them
you just play a dumb stop
thats it
fathom oasis
i just told you why i dont like it haha, it has nothing to do with them being dangerous
lusty grotto
i love it
fathom oasis
i understand tho
lusty grotto
so im doing it every time
especially with funnel
plus if you let halkias nuke em without tagging
they arent worth count
fathom oasis
when i was starting out this season, i had an arcane mage flame me for pulling those 3 with the boss haha
lusty grotto
but if you do tag em, and funnel into boss, they are worth count
fathom oasis
he was, but this was a 6 or so
lusty grotto
lol
fathom oasis
actually, it mightve been a 10
lusty grotto
low key people are toxic af
fathom oasis
it was my 2nd day on pwar duty lmao
all i remembered from HoA back in the day was invis potting after Halkias
and now every mob on that patio can see invis lol
lusty grotto
i think we're probably 1 week into the period where 10s become infinitely more difficult than 14+
fathom oasis
it's a matter of timing
lusty grotto
not only cause of the io curve, but because these people are super toxic
lusty grotto
oh last day is always cursed, its sunday for us
fathom oasis
i remember a 3h weekly grim batol 10 from S1
fathom oasis
10s now are so easy in comparison
gentle oracle
hey, super new to prot and tanking in general. I've timed a couple 7-10s with guildies relatively smoothly, but what's general order of actions people are taking for gathering a big pack alone?
like for instance grabbing everything in the streets mailroom to LoS back outside. I had shield wall and ignore pain up but it felt super sketchy
lusty grotto
10s now are so easy in comparison
yeah both s1 and all seasons in DF were just in another plane of existence that shouldnt have happened, but thankfully blizzard course corrected pretty well last season
lusty grotto
hey, super new to prot and tanking in general. I've timed a couple 7-10s with gu...
why did you mention IP
and not SB
SB is your biggest and most important cd
it is the one mitigation that needs to be up
not IP
IP will be up with proper play
i.e. hitting it at 70 rage regardless of its value, keeping track of it is not important
that being said, you just taunt and heroic throw out
thats it
quaint fossil
is warrior threat weak, i keep losing aggro?
gentle oracle
I think it's three unique packs in there, just heroic throw one, taunt another, charge to the third and then heroic leap out?
lusty grotto
no
i just heroic throw and taunt all 3
and run out
and then just massively aoe in the door lmao
warm plinth
It's 4 packs no? 2 to the immediate left, one far left, one right
lusty grotto
yup
gentle oracle
man, why did I think throw had a cooldown???
lusty grotto
well yes and no
fathom oasis
shattering throw does
gentle oracle
ah, because it does on arms lmao
lusty grotto
and in fury
warm plinth
I've definitely split some of those up magically before
gentle oracle
silly me
warm plinth
XD
gentle oracle
that makes WAY more sense
lusty grotto
yeah so sometimes the right pack
you pull a mob and the rest just stay there
they have weird social agro
warm plinth
Same though
fathom oasis
the problem with that strat is that they always free the chicken right?
warm plinth
No, the chicken is random
It's either a smuggled animal or the chickens
Just depends what's in the cage the mob goes to
solid sun
Hey @frosty mango
quaint fossil
not even close no
691 and yes to thane
solid sun
A+ route. The whole squad gave me mad props for coming up with it myself
lusty grotto
691 and yes to thane
craft a weapon
fathom oasis
not even close no
tbf, if I'm going into a pull with 3-4 separate groups and Avatar is not up (and don't have a banked thunderblast) aggro gets real sketchy when the DH and the arcane mage decide to focus 2 separate mobs x)
lusty grotto
a weapon's ilvl dictates its damage, and it damage directly goes into your abilities
in the form of AP
it is the single most important boost to DPS
and thus threat
gentle oracle
weapon ilvl is massively higher value than another piece
quaint fossil
ok even with shield slam and thunder clap, i struggle to hold aggro in raid
lusty grotto
similarly how shields are the single most important boost to defensivness
lusty grotto
weapon ilvl is massively higher value than another piece
not more than shields
not for us
but its only 2nd to that
lusty grotto
ok even with shield slam and thunder clap, i struggle to hold aggro in raid
pull with taunt and craft a weapon
fathom oasis
https://threechest.io?id=d7xmvmgnhjv
what's with the route name btw XD
lusty grotto
you shouldnt have a 691 ilvl weapon at this point in time
quaint fossil
just an alt
warm plinth
not my rogue rn
warm plinth
Nim no bully I haven't had the chance yet
lusty grotto
im talking to the other guy lol
i know thats a recent alt in your case
anyway thats not a warrior specific problem
any tank loses agro with a huge disparity in weapon ilvls with dps
and there's a huge disparity with an ilvl 691 weapon vs 720ilvl or 723 ilvl weapons
solid sun
not my rogue rn
I think low ilvl weapons is good for dps so they don't pull as much threat as the tanks. :)
fathom oasis
don't bring any dps, that way they can't pull threat 🙂
frosty mango
Hey <@228540157333078016>
wa
frosty mango
what's with the route name btw XD
dont judge
frosty mango
hey theres enough to go around, just rename it in 3chest and pretend its yours
frosty mango
any tank loses agro with a huge disparity in weapon ilvls with dps
I lose aggro with a 720+ weapon
when my dk and dh friends are doing 50m dps
and I have to wait to pull the next pack until I have a thunderblast proc
its wild living in a world where youre doing 15m dps as the tank and losing aggro
mortal cypress
its wild living in a world where youre doing 15m dps as the tank and losing aggr...
take ur pants off to appear more threatening
frosty mango
take ur pants off to appear more threatening
bro have you seen me if this were irl id never lose aggro
mortal cypress
bro have you seen me if this were irl id never lose aggro
🤣
lusty grotto
I lose aggro with a 720+ weapon
youre not doing the same content as that guy
not the same situation at all
he was specifically talking about raid
and..
we have absolutely no idea hes playing with the same caliber of players
but im willing to bet
hes not
or they
onyx prairie
#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
is this a macro that i must use to make it eaiser?
lusty grotto
no
thats a macro intended for people that know what they are using it for
which is NOT to Shield Slam
you need a separate bind for shield slam
you only use that macro to IP
its not intended to reduce key bindings
lusty grotto
that one isnt
to make it easier
and no, there's none
at best you can only do targetting mods aka cursor macros for targetting reticules etc
but there's no such thing as macros to make it easier
other than that
shrewd lake
is there macro to use to make things easier like this one ?
You can, it's just not optimal
If you press it every time you have 65 rage, you will always have up shield block and max ignore pain
lusty grotto
its not not optimal
it will work against you as tank
its worse than not optimal
you flat out shouldnt use it, if youre going to use that way
frosty mango
we have absolutely no idea hes playing with the same caliber of players
i dunno the caliber of these players doesnt seem very high
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
i forgot how fucking wild pugging heroic raid is
LOL
massive amount of critters in them groups
solid sun
That's me every Tuesday, partner
fathom oasis
what i hate about doing the raid in a pug is how when you reach soul hunters suddenly every ret/frost/fury are all tanks in disguise
lusty grotto
to be fair i pull my weight well on DH
fathom oasis
does it have a greater chance to drop if more people have tank spec selected?
lusty grotto
nah
fathom oasis
on my last run i counted a total of 9 tanks or so and it didnt drop
isnt loot tied to people in the raid tho?
like, can mail drop if there are no shaman/hunter/evokers?
fathom oasis
oh really
pallid quiver
Yeah, since raids are no longer personal loot
fathom oasis
i thought we were still riding on some sort of personal loot hybrid
pallid quiver
The closest to that is the warbound drops
which are just entirely separate from the drops from bosses
fathom oasis
ya
torpid dome
what i hate about doing the raid in a pug is how when you reach soul hunters sud...
I mean, on loom im a dps in disguise
lusty grotto
HEH HEH
pallid quiver
I mean, on loom im a dps in disguise
antenna drops for prot lootspec
lusty grotto
dw i dont ever win rolls
pallid quiver
so you don't even have to be in disguise
In fact, prot loot spec gives you more things you can roll on on Loom
torpid dome
antenna drops for prot lootspec
Oh yeah? I didnt want to take the chance for off chance roll lmao
But alr, then I can stay prot
pallid quiver
torpid dome
Ither than antenna i dont need the other stuff from hc raid
pallid quiver
If you ever pug mythic, it should be notable, since that's the only crit/haste shield this season that's not crafted iirc
frosty mango
im feeling like antenna is sim bait
uptime is m+ is so suspect
pacemaker feeling like a better functional choice
lusty grotto
bro what is up with the 100 rolls
this chinese warrior
rolled 100 on netherprism AND 98 on the SECOND netherprism
i swear to christ the roll hacks are real
oh sorry no
95 and 100
the 2nd one got won BY ANOTHER 100
fucking wild
bootless and brandless
the worst of both worlds, for dps spec and tank spec
restive oak
get good
quiet pagoda
bootless and brandless
I feel your pain. Same here. Feelsbad
glacial socket
what sim you use for prot? 5 target patchwerk or? :>
high latch
what sim you use for prot? 5 target patchwerk or? :>
A great man (Nome) once said:
if you wanna sim m+ you have to do
1t 3min for boss encounters with lust
5t 1.5min for average length m+ pull without lust
10t 40s with lust
6-8t 6-10min for average AoE output without lust
Personally I do the first 2.
cerulean tusk
I just do 1t 4m, and 8t 4min
No buffs
livid hill
hey folks i have question. i noticed im having sometimes a hard times tanking mythics, im losing aggro from time to time and its kinda hard to get it all back. i noticed this on my recent +11 floodgate. (3krio s2 prot warrior here, 710ili)
jagged pier
Isnt it standard to do everything in the room with lust
Then the 2 packs on the stairs after?
vital oak
mage should play tank then
pallid quiver
Mage can cry that they're dum and probably not even pressing defensives on divine toll
blazing shuttle
(I did not go for the pack of the lft directly cause hunter lusted on the first boss.)
torpid dome
Isnt it standard to do everything in the room with lust
4 real? We only do 2x center packs, then pull the 2 other packs afterwards usually
blazing shuttle
Also, first pull:
pallid quiver
really there's not much you can do there; if you lust and people don't die, you can do whole room or an extra pack
high latch
I was told this section is bad. What could I change?
This is what I do, then I typically chain after enough casters and palas are dead
blazing shuttle
Note: I got everyone in the corner, boss did NOT move me an INCH.
pallid quiver
mage should stand in melee instead of narnia
vital oak
sounds like a whining mage, that first pull looks fine
pallid quiver
so there's no traps at their feet
torpid dome
Ye whiney mage, that first pull is standard
high latch
Yeah, just ignore the mage
livid hill
hey folks i have question. i noticed im having sometimes a hard times tanking mythics, im losing aggro from time to time and its kinda hard to get it all back. i noticed this on my recent +11 floodgate. (3krio s2 prot warrior here, 710ili) does prots having problems with threat holding?
pallid quiver
hey folks i have question. i noticed im having sometimes a hard times tanking my...
prot is the highest damage tank
blazing shuttle
Thank you fellas.
torpid dome
hey folks i have question. i noticed im having sometimes a hard times tanking my...
No problem here
pallid quiver
so if it has trouble holding threat, every other tank spec would be unviable
blazing shuttle
Prot war is the DPS who has the best snap aggro in the game rn.
torpid dome
Have crafted weap? Or mth track weap?
blazing shuttle
Is he playing colo or MT?
livid hill
have crafted weapon and shield
high latch
hey folks i have question. i noticed im having sometimes a hard times tanking my...
No. The only issue can be if you don't have avatar up for the start of a big pull and you have something like a ret pala blowing their load immediately.
Yeah, weapon is important
scenic hearth
Hey, that a good idea to macro shield slam + ignore pain ?
torpid dome
Crafted 720 weap you should not be losing aggro
livid hill
i have it
blazing shuttle
In that kind oif case, Intimidating Shout.
I hate burning it like that, but sometimes?
No choices.
livid hill
yeah...
torpid dome
Yeah i pref to keep it for aoe interrupt
blazing shuttle
Is he playing MT or Colo, though?
blazing shuttle
Yeah i pref to keep it for aoe interrupt
When you get a quintuple interrupt with one shout...
torpid dome
But some pulls I need to use it to solidify my aggro
high latch
Hey, that a good idea to macro shield slam + ignore pain ?
It can be a good idea to macro Shield Slam to Ignore Pain and use that as your IP button:
#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
But don't do the other way. You need a dedicated SS bind.
pallid quiver
Is he playing MT or Colo, though?
No matter which, no tank has aggro issues at the moment barring people blasting before a tank is settled
pallid quiver
which is very likely to happen
scenic hearth
It can be a good idea to macro Shield Slam to Ignore Pain and use that as your I...
thx
blazing shuttle
DPS need to understand a tank needs like.
One second, perhaps two at a first pack/not chaining to just.
Set up a bit but like you guys said:
The typical ret paladin that will throw everything right as the pull starts and will be surprised they died.
torpid dome
Make sure tho while building your pull that you thunderblast everything