it got buffed this reset
#protection
broken crater
strong forum
where arms buff then
round pendant
bm is fuckin stoopid
broken crater
where arms buff then
you could close the discord
broken crater
time to try something new
round pendant
beast mastery where 60% of your damage comes from.. uhh big arrow
mortal cypress
BM Dark Ranger got a yuuuuuuuge buff on its main spell as the spec was unplayable: all bm were Pack Leader
broken crater
looks exceedingly sus
strong forum
you mean to tell me, that "5"% buff to bamkin suddenly do top end damage
from being bottom 2
fossil horizon
you mean to tell me, that "5"% buff to bamkin suddenly do top end damage
Sometimes that’s the case because skilled players hop onto it
broken crater
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/46RJxBatzGcpQhL8?fight=32&type=casts&source=39&ability=194223 kill timer very favorable for bamkin
dusky canopy
coarse kernel
I'm assuming I missed the discussion already, but what was the verdict on Yoda's video claiming that Netherprism was 2nd best trinket for every tank except VDH and Tome wasn't even on his list?
round pendant
I'm assuming I missed the discussion already, but what was the verdict on Yoda's...
bad and wrong
strong forum
im aware of such a phenomenon just didnt think it would flip this quickly
mortal cypress
the game is buggy as fuck....going back to hunter, if you literally dont press a button and wait for your main spell to come off CD if 0.5secs is left and have loads of "dead time" in a fight, like multiple seconds it adds up to, you 2.5% more dps...."always be casting" doesnt apply
round pendant
Just rember: if Yoda said it, it's probably wrong 
round pendant
the game is buggy as fuck....going back to hunter, if you literally dont press a...
surely that's just a tuning issue not a bug
broken crater
0.5s is nothing and youre likely already missing that just from mechanics. not necessarily a bug either, some specs pool for an extended time (sub) and look literally afk
round pendant
I love just autoattacking as rogue sometimes
broken crater
i love doing sub 1m damage for 30s because sb is about to be ready
mortal cypress
0.5s is nothing and youre likely already missing that just from mechanics. not n...
bm was never like that, you spam a button all the time, now it is, and its still instant cast...but you arent pooling anything
mortal cypress
it is over an entire fight....lots of dead time which is weird as BM cos its supposed to be like playing warrior
strong forum
I'm assuming I missed the discussion already, but what was the verdict on Yoda's...
sounds... like a bit of a reach, would need data on that
mortal cypress
always spamming abilities
shrewd grove
I'm assuming I missed the discussion already, but what was the verdict on Yoda's...
Yoda feely crafts and then states it as fact. He's usually wrong. This is the case here as it will be most times
strong forum
cuz like, the trinket does a mediocre amount of damage and provides nothing while building stacks
unlike the god tier trinket casters had in s1 which gave you stats even while building stacks
and tanks arent like casters who have mega potent offensive CDs to make it worth their while to gather stacks over extended period of time
so while not using the trinket, youre legitimately missing out on 7% of mainstat or secondary stat
and tanks want consistency and not big boom trinkets
round pendant
I want grieftorch
strong forum
cuz tank aura
round pendant
they need to remove that shit
strong forum
its so fucking useless
cuz all it does is "yeah okay we want stat sticks"
for healer and tanks alike
round pendant
who fucking cares if our trinket that does 5% of our dps does 7.5% instead
strong forum
unless they design GOOD tank/healer only trinkets
for netherprism iirc the discussion was that you ideally just want to use the trinket on CD, at which point its just a worse antenna
or close to it
broken crater
loomithar trinket enters the chat
(they manage to do good healer trinkest, so why not tank trinkets)
(but also this expansion had a bunch of good tank trinkets, and dragonflight at least had augury)
round pendant
I don't like how the sickest trinkets are raid only
tribal wharf
dragon flight had dreadplates
strong forum
yeah surprisingly we had 2 good tank trinkets so far
broken crater
song as old as time
strong forum
3 actually
tribal wharf
that was really good, the one from lair 60s cd was good too when it was that season
fathom oasis
If tome turns out to be bad, after hunting it for over x50 (so far) priories, I'm going to be upset
broken crater
how could it turn out bad
strong forum
but still very useful if used correctly
broken crater
its proven from last patch already and hasnt changed
round pendant
It's still nice for prio targets in m+ when my friends are awful at focusing the knight
broken crater
ok boomer
bleak scaffold
Isn't the brand a good tank trinket ? it's a DPS for tank
mellow bridge
wouldnt use it in m+ personally
strong forum
ye it was nerfed by 25% in s2
fathom oasis
I enjoyed larynx (lynx? Cant remember the exact name) from s1
strong forum
larynx was fun ye
round pendant
I mean, I gotta raid to get anything that's better than tome in m+ I think
tribal wharf
3.5 million dmg per tick
fathom oasis
Pacemaker+brand in pure aoe?
broken crater
nom why are you not playing btw
fathom oasis
Or antenna
strong forum
cuz games shit
azure crag
I'm still convinced blizzard only makes good tank trinkets by accident
broken crater
the heck is dunning kruger raiding
round pendant
I'm still convinced blizzard only makes good tank trinkets by accident
Pretty much
fathom oasis
Dunning krueger raiding? x)
mellow bridge
I mean, I gotta raid to get anything that's better than tome in m+ I think
idol/pacemaker/soleah
pick 2
tribal wharf
i lost more faith recently about wow
broken crater
reroll from priest confirmed
tribal wharf
they said they want to move away from dramatic world ending events
round pendant
I have a soleah's but I doubt it beats tome's usefulness
strong forum
i just dont find raiding enjoyable outside of farm idk
tribal wharf
and focous on the mundane day to day events
round pendant
tome is 120k dps and that's excluding the crit
broken crater
i mean farm is just logs
round pendant
and 170k on st
strong forum
exactly
mellow bridge
not a fan of tome's uptime if you pull large enough 🤷♂️
tribal wharf
and im like ........ (poop noise)
broken crater
fair ig
mellow bridge
ye not a fan of all the comp restrictions either
"oh you dont have a 2nd lock/dk for dimmy D? Well you better gear one then Catge"
broken crater
you 👏 will 👏 2 👏 dks 👏 and 👏 4 👏 mages 👏 and 👏 you 👏 will 👏 like 👏 it 👏
round pendant
classic
mellow bridge
fuck turbo boost
round pendant
I hated turbo boost day one and everyone was like "nah it's good"
turns out I was right
again
dusky canopy
you 👏 will 👏 2 👏 dks 👏 and 👏 4 👏 mages 👏 and 👏 you 👏 will 👏 like 👏 it...
LOL!😂
strong forum
but also "yeah okay we're 10 ilvl behind people from RWF doing this boss so we lets spend 4hrs throwing ourself against this and waste to ricky restricted forgetting to blink"
and then ALL the drama
c-b-a
i just wanna vibe and kill
not wipe and vomit
strong forum
just make mythic farmable
done
remove weekly IDs
game would instantly be more enjoyable
broken crater
wouldnt change anything for later bosses or me personally
but also fuck turbo boost
round pendant
add 10 man mythic, remove locks, remove LFR and Normal 
strong forum
would change raiding for 98% of raiders as you can farm loot until you are done and THEN prog
broken crater
no point in removing lower difficulties
theres an audience for it and game needs entry points
tribal wharf
i swear the worst feeling in all of wow is you are logging on at monday 11:47 to do your weekly 10 or 20 orw hatever it is now
bleak scaffold
Yes, but what about FOMO and players paying the subscription ?! You are looking at how have fun and Bli² is looking on how to get $
tribal wharf
and then you get your key group ready at 2:38am and it starts at 3:07am tuesday and then you start running it and then you lag out
and then the key isfucked,
round pendant
theres an audience for it and game needs entry points
but LFR and to a lesser extent Normal and low keys (like below 6) are so mindnumbingly pointless and require zero coordination or effort that they may as well not exist
strong forum
Yes, but what about FOMO and players paying the subscription ?! You are looking ...
fomo is for cosmetics imo
not for power
round pendant
am I the only one that feels this way
deft mortar
Rejoice, it happened
tribal wharf
so you try again at 7 am and the server shut down mid key
strong forum
theres people scared of +2s
deft mortar
tribal wharf
and you got no vau lt
broken crater
but LFR and to a lesser extent Normal and low keys (like below 6) are so mindnum...
they also require next to 0 maintenance
deft mortar
I am probably the highest unbuffed HP player in the world
broken crater
since they design for heroic or mythic first and then remove mechanics for lower
round pendant
I don't get how they're "entry points" when they play themselves and don't teach you anything
deft mortar
Finally hit 30M
round pendant
they also require next to 0 maintenance
that's a fair point
strong forum
I don't get how they're "entry points" when they play themselves and don't teach...
take away anxiety of people without guilds
bleak scaffold
but LFR and to a lesser extent Normal and low keys (like below 6) are so mindnum...
true
strong forum
cuz like
broken crater
for someone who has never stepped into a raid, its a wildly different environment than questing
strong forum
just the virtue of having seen a handful of mechanics by doing it on a lower difficulty
deft mortar
Is there a ranking for max hp?
tribal wharf
the way i play wow, is basically like the guild doesnt exist unless i want to do raiding
bleak scaffold
fomo is for cosmetics imo
If you are not running Mtyh raid then weekly vault is your only option to get Myth gear ... so power ...
frosty mango
theres people scared of +2s
hey im running 16-17 rn and **I'M **scared of 2s, just for different reasons 🫠
tribal wharf
and i barely did/do much raiding past few years anywas
strong forum
If you are not running Mtyh raid then weekly vault is your only option to get My...
exactly
so remove that restriction
broken crater
Is there a ranking for max hp?
get a priest and an aug talented into draconic attunements and have them press scales 
round pendant
they really shouldn't force you to clear mythic raid for myth trinkets from dinars imo
strong forum
LET ME STYLE ON NERDS
undone beacon
mage tower my behated
dusky canopy
I’d be happy to infinitely farm mythic ilvl too
At the very least base mythic ilvl
Could still have crests be a thing
round pendant
I mean with the turbo boost they negate everything anyway
strong forum
mage tower my behated
yeah but you dont have that tshirt from metallica concert 1998
round pendant
so there's basically no harm in week 1 myth loot from keys imo
bleak scaffold
I agree with you on how to make the game better for players ! just saying why, i think, bli² will not do it ^^
undone beacon
jokes on you nerd i am metallica
broken crater
looks like a z and its a 2 -> 2z
bleak scaffold
cause i'm lazy blibli or bli²
undone beacon
blizzard squared
strong forum
broken crater
typing ² is inherently harder to type than zz cmm
round pendant
how do you even type that
tribal wharf
blizzard grammarly when?
broken crater
how do you even type that
right alt + 2
bleak scaffold
Cause you are on qwerty man, on azerty it's just before the 1 key 😄 (yes i'm french so i'm on azerty)
broken crater
on eu keyboard at least
tribal wharf
i want an auto correct in wow chat but one that doesnt turn arthas into arthritis!
strong forum
dafuq
round pendant
I'm on US layout
deft mortar
get a priest and an aug talented into draconic attunements and have them press s...
is that even more hp? I am maxxing out unbuffed tho
broken crater
stamina buff is more hp yes
broken crater
keyboard layout
dusky canopy
😂
round pendant
french layout
broken crater
qwertz
qwerty
azerty
dusky canopy
Ahh yes googling
round pendant
dvorak?
dusky canopy
Pretty neat
deft mortar
48M with last stand, rally, and steadfast
tribal wharf
yep,
deft mortar
probably can hit 70M with shaman + priest + frontline
tribal wharf
keyboards is a rabbithole and a half
bleak scaffold
OMT ! 48M ...
azure crag
raid boss
broken crater
omt? oh my thanos?
bleak scaffold
O My Thor
Sorry I missed Legion, was playing it back for transmog and found funny that they put Thor as Warrior's god 😄
dusky canopy
One man thick
acoustic hearth
Don’t forget your Aug buff
rough nest
theres people scared of +2s
Started to gear my alt DK, I'm also afraid of +2s straight to 7s I went 
dusky canopy
damn now I gotta try just how high it can go buffed
Using thane talent?
bleak scaffold
Don't go too fast ! you need at least 50M unbuffed for LFR 😉
round pendant
theres people scared of +2s
I genuinely think that's a failure of the game by not having actual engaging gameplay and mechanics before endgame
deft mortar
Using thane talent?
yeah i even have stamina trinkets and gems
round pendant
You can kinda just brain-off everything until keys and heroic raid
strong forum
Started to gear my alt DK, I'm also afraid of +2s straight to 7s I went <:keks:9...
friends first key on his pwar was a 16 to get a 15 from vault
deft mortar
but I think I can take on any tank buster ez in the game without CDs
strong forum
3 day old char btw
acoustic hearth
You can kinda just brain-off everything until keys and heroic raid
Don’t do this if your tanking raid. At least stack the mobs lol
bleak scaffold
Have you done LFR ? :x I mean, don't look how it is for you but how others are playing. I think LFR is good for people that discover the game and early stuff alts.
acoustic hearth
Have you done LFR ? :x I mean, don't look how it is for you but how others are p...
Doing lfr makes me want to unalive myself
bleak scaffold
When you know the game and run normal raid it's already boring :/
acoustic hearth
People are so fucking stupid and refuse to look at fights before quing
deft mortar
I like raid for the visiuals and fun mechanics to explore
acoustic hearth
Then get mad that shocker 3 hours of lfr Dimi prog
deft mortar
People are so fucking stupid and refuse to look at fights before quing
i dont read anything xd
i tag nome for any question
round pendant
People are so fucking stupid and refuse to look at fights before quing
Again, that's just a side effect of the game design
deft mortar
bro needs a salary off this shit
acoustic hearth
At least you are asking someone
round pendant
You don't need to read or learn anything until suddenly you hit that wall
The game is awful at teaching people how to play
deft mortar
things that actually kill you without any dmg is my bane
acoustic hearth
The game is awful at teaching people how to play
Fair
deft mortar
like gettign thrown off the platform etc.
bleak scaffold
Of course it is, it relies on social interactions .... I hate people ...
acoustic hearth
Trying to teach some friends though, they refuse to learn
round pendant
Yeah that's a classic
acoustic hearth
My buddy refused to put bop and freedom on his bars bc “too many buttons”
Dawg your a ret pala
round pendant
usually the longer they've been playing the harder they refuse to learn too
Game gets harder at endgame and all the boomers that never had to learn suddenly can't win as easily but don't want to adapt
acoustic hearth
Boomers catching strays
Only thing boomers catch these days is Covid kekw
deft mortar
💀
round pendant
I just think if you WANT to clear some content you should also want to learn to be able to do so
can't have one without the other
bleak scaffold
I don't know for you, but I played Vanilla, levelling experience was horrific! so fricking looooooooooooooooooooooong. And now, you create a char and 3h after you are max level, what the hell happened ? wasn't there a middle ground ?
round pendant
My friend has me call out basic mechanics in m+ (like big aoe dam in a boss fight) because he cba fixing his scuffed healer UI (Healbot btw) he's used for the last 15 years
bleak scaffold
You cannot learn the game nor your char having new comp every 2minutes ...
round pendant
it's like
acoustic hearth
I don't know for you, but I played Vanilla, levelling experience was horrific! s...
I like the fast leveling for alts but maybe
Make leveling longer
fathom oasis
You only level to max in 3h if you buy a boost
acoustic hearth
And have war band exp buff go up in value to like 50%
fathom oasis
Also, people who enjoy leveling have the classic servers to enjoy
bleak scaffold
Not 3h for real of course, but it's too fast!
acoustic hearth
Not 3h for real of course, but it's too fast!
Bro
round pendant
nice discord just broke
acoustic hearth
Someone made a vid of going from level 10-80 in 2 hours
fathom oasis
Idk why that's bad, you can keep doing quests as much as you want
acoustic hearth
Just flying and getting “discovered a new zone” exp
I have hope for the new leveling
fathom oasis
I don't see how spamming dungeons for a few extra hours per level is good
Or doing any repetitive content for exp
acoustic hearth
With it being dragonflight from start to finish including story mode raids
bleak scaffold
It's just that leveling adds new comp over time, so you can learn to use the malong the way and not be overwelmed by 20comps and talents all at once.
acoustic hearth
I don't see how spamming dungeons for a few extra hours per level is good
Maybe make first time players do a campaign set like ff14
But let Alts fuck off in timewalking for 15 min to hit max lvl
fathom oasis
First time players are forced to do DF
acoustic hearth
First time players are forced to do DF
Can just spam dungeons though
I mean like
fathom oasis
Everyone else can do whatever expansion they want
acoustic hearth
In ff14 you can’t go to tbc until you did every single fucking quest in classic including the raid and patch quests
round pendant
It's already like that isn't it?
fathom oasis
Can just spam dungeons though
What if that's what they want to do
Why keep them from doing so
bleak scaffold
Middle ground guys 🙂 Let's give at least first leveling a bit longer than it is right now for new players
round pendant
The issue isn't really the speed at which you hit max level imo
fathom oasis
But why
bleak scaffold
Why XP at all then ?
fathom oasis
Just let every person pace themselves however they want
bleak scaffold
Just give max level, full comp and talents and jump then
round pendant
the issue is how no content requires any neuron activation until suddenly your bad performance ruins everyone elses experience
acoustic hearth
It's already like that isn't it?
I mean can’t spam dungeons
fathom oasis
Some people enjoy the lore, so let them quest all the way through
acoustic hearth
Just something that actually gets noobs to figure their shit out
This is how you kick
fathom oasis
Spending more time where talents and skillsets are all over the place wont make them improve
acoustic hearth
Kick the mob 3 times consistently or get 1 shot and have to restart
fathom oasis
Also, only people who want to improve will do so
Some people are content doing delves with a 1-button rotation assistant
round pendant
There should be something in place that introduces people to common dungeon/raid mechanics tho
like kicking, ccs, swirlies
and it should be pass/fail
fathom oasis
Follower dungeons
round pendant
yeah follower dungeons don't do that
fathom oasis
Kyvezaa/whatever boss is current
round pendant
but they're a good idea fundamentally
fathom oasis
In delves
tribal wharf
i still think
all dungeons should be in the LFD for the expansion sort of thing
when new dungeon comes out you can do that in LFD from day 1
as a fresh whatever you call it minus 5 or minus 10 lvls
the freehold experience basically
cuz then you have all 5 people doing it as casual content
so you are forced to learn it wholy and properly
mighty valley
my guess is they tried out the Proving Grounds in mop and it didn't have enough of an effect for the dev time
tribal wharf
i really really think for the first season of expansion
only new expansion dungeons
period
for like mythic mode and m+
i think that is so utterly crucial
strong forum
I don't know for you, but I played Vanilla, levelling experience was horrific! s...
21 years have passed
high latch
my guess is they tried out the Proving Grounds in mop and it didn't have enough ...
The problem with having proving grounds as a requirement was that lots of people were too bad at the game to finish even the lower difficulties, so there was a lot of complaints.
mighty valley
yeah, people learn better by just trying real stuff, and they resent features that looks like homework
everyone else just has to deal with people learning in real time
solid sun
Well maybe midnight will change that
Maybe the player base will be sick as heck and everyone instinctively knows how to be great because hey have a house to rest in
pine lotus
OSRS has done a pretty decent job lately at introducing lower level pvm content
high latch
yeah, people learn better by just trying real stuff, and they resent features th...
Sure, but it's also as simple as this: some people suck at the game and that's okay. I personally think something like a proving grounds would be cool before you could do M+, but the problem before was that lots of very casual players were negatively affected by it
pine lotus
Player vs monster?
yep
frosty mango
The problem with having proving grounds as a requirement was that lots of people...
yeah but isnt that kind of the point
high latch
Kind of, but when a large portion of your paying customers are pissed, it doesn't matter what the intention is.
frosty mango
if they cant do PG then blizz should tune the low end of m+ to meet the skill level of those players
m+ scales infinitely so its not like this is a problem
slender bison
Mythic+ is easier than ever and that's the new status quo for keeping subs up
Enough elitism
pine lotus
Mythic+ is easier than ever and that's the new status quo for keeping subs up
But we also have a lot more complexity added to several specs than it has been in a long long time
slender bison
Go do 20 keys
frosty mango
its not elitism, im literally saying blizz has the perfect system in place for all players
high latch
They can move the goalpost as much as they want. If they make lower M+ easier then it just means they'll get to higher keys faster and we're back to square one.
frosty mango
why would any player be gatekept from m+
frosty mango
They can move the goalpost as much as they want. If they make lower M+ easier th...
thats not a blizzard problem tho imo
high latch
But it is. Because it will affect other players which affects their income.
slender bison
Yeah, that's a you problem because you can't keep up with key level of ok players
Don't do 10s for crests in week 6 and complain that players are shit
Do 16s
frosty mango
if you have a scaling system that scales infinitely as long as you tune the floor to be approachable for the majority of the playerbase then its accessible and skill levels solve themselves
players will rise to the level they are capable of doing
slender bison
if you have a scaling system that scales infinitely as long as you tune the floo...
It's a Gauss bell. Just be on the right side slope
high latch
I agree that's how it would be in a perfect world. But people are entitled as all hell.
frosty mango
I agree that's how it would be in a perfect world. But people are entitled as al...
again not something blizz can really solve for
hardy snow
The issue is players wants to do content not aprioprate for their skill level because they are watching streamers playing it easily, Blizzard cant fix that.
high latch
again not something blizz can really solve for
Yeah, it's really hard. That's why there's no super easy obvious solution here.
frosty mango
they really cant do much more to add content to the game, theres truckloads of content and nearly all of it scales lol
hardy snow
Not being skilled enough to do +12 or +14 is fine.
frosty mango
if people want to complain let them complain but theres not much else blizz can do for them
slender bison
I agree that's how it would be in a perfect world. But people are entitled as al...
You literally said that people should have proving grounds before M+. We have heroics already. You want only college people to vote too?
frosty mango
I think PG was kinda dumb, it wasnt representative of the gameplay you would find in a time gated key scenario.
if blizz wants to gatekeep certain key levels then IMO they should lock keys to current + 1
high latch
You literally said that people should have proving grounds before M+. We have he...
You're misunderstanding. It's a very different game now compared to when MoP was released. And proving grounds was a requirement for heroics back then iirc.
frosty mango
if youve done a 12 priory then you can queue for a 13
bleak scaffold
21 years have passed
Yes and just 20 levels added from the 60 😄 you see how long leveling is !! (this is obviously a joke)
frosty mango
I personally think IO is stupid too because its a flawed numerical representation of assumed skill
it means literally nothing at the low end
slender bison
You're misunderstanding. It's a very different game now compared to when MoP was...
Correct. Same as Mythic+ population was shit in Legion. It grows more and more and it adapts. No need for gatekeeping mechanisms from devs.
Just push to your level and if in 5 keys you have shit players, then that's your level
Democracy
high latch
Yes, I believe they'll simply let it be. The current system works as well as you could hope for.
slender bison
I personally think IO is stupid too because its a flawed numerical representatio...
Yes, but that's because of the recent giga inflation and easy gear sine they're too tired to work on TWW. It used to provide guarantees 1-2 expacs ago.
frosty mango
it has never been a good system
solid sun
Well now hold on
frosty mango
a 2900 io player with 300 completed keys is 99.999999999999999999% of the time going to be a vastly better player than a 3k player with 10 completed keys
slender bison
It was never perfect, but a 3k player used to came with certains guarantees for a run
solid sun
The dungeon score changes color and when I become orange I feel like the system is correctly calling me legendary
So
I think it’s at least decent
frosty mango
The dungeon score changes color and when I become orange I feel like the system ...
thats bc youre a legend
solid sun
Hey thanks you too
frosty mango
blizz should delete IO and just show you how many completed keys a person has in a given level
strong forum
a 2900 io player with 300 completed keys is 99.999999999999999999% of the time g...
EEEEHHHH
getting 3k really doesnt take more than 10 keys
solid sun
You say such hurtful things
strong forum
so someone struggling to get to 3k with 300 keys is a bit of a red flag, atleast for my view of the game
mighty valley
I personally think IO is stupid too because its a flawed numerical representatio...
this one's literally just blizzard saying "well, this numerical system is very flawed. but if it's not in the game, you're all gonna do it 3rd party anyway"
frosty mango
getting 3k really doesnt take more than 10 keys
whats more likely, someone did 10 keys and hit 3k because they were very good
or someone was carried through 10 keys
strong forum
depends who you are 😄
frosty mango
so someone struggling to get to 3k with 300 keys is a bit of a red flag, atleast...
im not sure thats true, not completely anyway, people get stuck in a wave of players and if they arent ahead, they might be a week 1 3k player pugging in week 5
you cant run the key alone
bleak scaffold
The problem on the number of run you make is the starting point.
solid sun
I’m not 3k yet but we are fine pumping out 10s and 11a for vault
strong forum
most of the 3k in 10 keys people arent pugging anyway
solid sun
Am I one of the red flags…
bleak scaffold
I played till MOP, so I don't know any of the old dungeons, take bit of runs to know them 🙂
strong forum
Am I one of the red flags…
depends if you are trying or not
frosty mango
I think the real world answer is its somewhere in the middle, someone has low completed keys but high rating, prob not a good pick
someone has a bunch of completed keys and a high rating, prob a safe pick
but I do think IO as a numerical representation is vastly more harmful than helpful
frosty mango
if blizz weighted it better or put more into it, I'd be more approving of it
high latch
How could they improve it? Make it more like typical MMR where your score can decrease with poor performances?
strong forum
same as you can expect an 8/8M raider to atleast know how to do damage over someone who is only 2/8M
frosty mango
How could they improve it? Make it more like typical MMR where your score can de...
add a cieling score and a sliding value based on number of completed keys at a given level
with a max of x keys
solid sun
We need Dota 2 stats. Each player has a tracker for average interrupts per key, average damage per key, average healing per key, etc etc etc
solid sun
All the numbers
strong forum
people can already not read logs
high latch
We kinda do have that. You can always look up players on Warcraftlogs, but ain't nobody got time for that.
And not everyone logs, but it is quite common.
frosty mango
not really for keys
I dont think theres really enough people logging keys to get a true sense of the dataset
given the scaling and dynamic nature of m+ we'd need hundreds of thousands to really arrive at any real conclusion
bleak scaffold
At the end, if you need a doctorate in WoW to make a group it's not a game anymore ...
high latch
At the end, if you need a doctorate in WoW to make a group it's not a game anymo...
Very true. It's a hard balance to keep.
high latch
Oof, good one
frosty mango
IMO for M+ score
First key completion at a given level gives a base score (lets say a +10 is 100 points)
Each key level is 20 point spread (+11 is 120 points)
For each key you complete at a given level, you get a point bonus, up to half of the next tier, with a bonus for multi chesting too). So if you do 10 +10 priories, you get 1 point per completion up to a max of 110 points, 2 additional bonus points for +2 and +3, bringing you to 115 max in a bracket
it isnt foolproof, but it would provide a significantly better window into a player's familiarity and relative skill in a given dungeon set if we're looking at a single number
sick sentinel
is there anyway to potentially check how much rage im getting from bloodsurge
frosty mango
is there anyway to potentially check how much rage im getting from bloodsurge
yes
if you log it can be drilled down to that level
sick sentinel
ty ty
wanted to see how much im getting and if its worth to run it
it most likely is but still
strong forum
It's depending on pull size 7-12% of rage gain
slender bison
IMO for M+ score
First key completion at a given level gives a base score (lets...
M+ fails are about lack of class knowledge. Tons of DPS dont know their class, hence the bricks. Its not about the dungeon. Everybody can learn the dungeon in 3-4 runs.
Or tanks have shit 110% routes
frosty mango
M+ fails are about lack of class knowledge. Tons of DPS dont know their class, h...
yeah but for most people repetition leads to mastery. Like I said not perfect but it is probably true that a person who has done the key a bunch of times is better at pressing the buttons in it
frosty mango
And some don't learn the dungeon even after 3 full seasons
i play with some people who dont know their class after 3 expansions
what are you gonna do 🤷
nocturne spindle
i dont know my class because i forgot i have aoe fear removal for that one stupid ass mob in manaforge
🙂
jade hazel
M+ fails are about lack of class knowledge. Tons of DPS dont know their class, h...
I feel like the vast majority of the player base doesn’t understand mitigating incoming damage. Instead they try to self heal or defensive during or after the damage has already been done. Also there’s specs that encourage degenerate behavior.
Took me a longer time then it should’ve to understand mitigating/using defensives and understanding when damage is coming in matters so much to staying alive. Rather than just be a dump dps hoping my healer saves the day. Also most dps have no idea how much a healer or tank does to save their asses.
mighty valley
yeah, some people aren't aware of the damage moments, others might be aware but their brains are fully taken up by trying to do their rotation and they don't remember/notice the tell for incoming damage
many factors
neon elk
It should be hella good if all higher ranked ( like above 3k rio) people played tank or healer before, to give them some sense how much they can help by doing bare minimum
bleak scaffold
My dps knows : I do nothing haha. You did the bed!
Save the cheerleader! Sorry that’s a different one, save the healer!
jade hazel
It should be hella good if all higher ranked ( like above 3k rio) people played...
Like forced military service like in Korea. Blizzard makes people play a few keys with a healer/tank before going into high keys 😂
neon elk
I mean , sometimes yes it happens , but today i had a random fella that had 9 out of 10 deaths
slender bison
I feel like the vast majority of the player base doesn’t understand mitigating i...
Rememer that M+ needed to become a thing in order for all the prot warriors population to learn to use Shield Wall BEFORE the damage spike, not during/after
bleak scaffold
We need a good laugh! Isn’t it god damn funny to see a dos running away with mobs on his ass instead of running towards the tank?!
slender bison
The average wow player skill went up by a ton due to M+ alone
Due to accountability
jade hazel
Hot take also: wow is a hard game
mighty valley
hard is a sliding scale, but yeah, it's easy to take for granted the things you know when you've been doing them for years/decades
jade hazel
Yup
neon elk
I would not realy say hard , more like complicated , but that can also be both i guess
But if u are somehow capable human playing slightly above average isnt that hard and is not rocket science
slender bison
But if u are somehow capable human playing slightly above average isnt that...
You're biased. As a new player, just look at some random youtube video of high PvP players. So much shit on the screen you cant even watch the actual gameplay
neon elk
I guess , dont know that many new players
mighty valley
it's eye opening to see a truly new player try wow for the first time
stuff like... auto attacks don't make sense to some people at first
slender bison
Game is layered. Tons of PvE players ego goes out the window once they encounter PvP players who actually know the class.
Anyway, FYI its the tanks' fault for not talenting Piercing Howl for Gambit 1st area
neon elk
How much is howl slow again?
slender bison
70%
echo egret
About to start progression on nexus-King hc.
In phase 1, is it okay to taunt swap after each cast ?
neon elk
Not worth the talent for that, never had issue with it there tbf
proven mantle
is the void pactstone a bait? 
neon elk
Curious what else u had i group there when they blamed u for that
solid sun
I’m just tired of so much being expected of our role in keys
jade hazel
stuff like... auto attacks don't make sense to some people at first
My osrs friends playing wow “holy shit I can jump??”
solid sun
Maybe that’s a community problem or maybe that’s a design problem but either way it feels like I’m not allowed to turn my brain off
nocturne spindle
i mean
solid sun
I need Roid to take over
nocturne spindle
just by nature of the role itll happen
mighty valley
For weekly keys there needs to be like... two brains active total across five people
nocturne spindle
the person who does all the pulling will be in charge of it all
mighty valley
Some people can contribute a portion of their brain
solid sun
For weekly keys there needs to be like... two brains active total across five pe...
Usually that’s me and the healer, and then our revolving door of intrepid sword icons just kinda exist
mighty valley
These are all buddies?
solid sun
Yeh. Maybe a pug here or there
shadow wagon
how do i make my team stop kicking when I have reflect up?
jagged pier
acoustic hearth
About to start progression on nexus-King hc.
In phase 1, is it okay to taunt swa...
U have to taunt every cast
And make sure u taunt mid cast
echo egret
ok thx
acoustic hearth
So if ur 2nd tank, boss is casting buster 1 u taunt, boss is casting buster 2 at you, other tank taunts,
maiden forge
question, loomithar's living silk trinket is technically usable by all roles right? even though healers are the only one's it drops for
i saw it has haste and is nasty with helping everyone live in keys
tranquil otter
Hi guys. When reshi wraps the cloak pops, it shows a massive shield and its so hard to see how much % hp you actually have because of this massive shield on the hp bar. Any1 know a solution?
neon elk
question, loomithar's living silk trinket is technically usable by all roles rig...
Yes u can use it, it has haste and is rather strong at what it does, but i dont think it will be neccesary anytime soon , even less for non r1 players, u also sacrifice a lot of dmg for it
sterile orbit
i assume an addon is doing that cause i use default character frame and i have the opposite i see my hp and have no idea % of shield
warm plinth
My osrs friends playing wow “holy shit I can jump??”
Me in 2006 when I came here from eqoa
dense cradle
Hit me with a few of your takes on different dps specs
mage players do half the dps of any other class in dungeons
echo egret
Same item level, i'm easily ripping aggro from my druid cotank. What solution ?
maiden forge
Same item level, i'm easily ripping aggro from my druid cotank. What solution ?
tell them to git gud, otherwise you will just need to hold back on damage
warm plinth
Tell him to seek improvement or just chill depending on the vibe of the guild and the likelihood that he'll actually try to improve.
mighty valley
Hit me with a few of your takes on different dps specs
very taste based, what have you liked in the past
echo egret
Tell him to seek improvement or just chill depending on the vibe of the guild an...
Is it only a matter of the druid playing better ?
dense cradle
Yeah
maiden forge
Is it only a matter of the druid playing better ?
ye
they arent doing enough damage to hold aggro
dense cradle
Alot of bear players i’ve noticed are
not the greatest…
there are some absolute freaks at it but i swear its such a dry tank spec
undone beacon
Same item level, i'm easily ripping aggro from my druid cotank. What solution ?
Do you have logs?
As a big bear man myself
I can advise
echo egret
Not yet, it's our first night playing together (he just swapped from DK)
solid sun
Take on what exactly
What are your thoughts on some of the dps specs. What do you find fun, what do you find particularly well designed or easy to perform, etc
bleak scaffold
Bear need to get better, in the meantime you need to hold yourself when switch happens :/
undone beacon
Not yet, it's our first night playing together (he just swapped from DK)
Get me some logs and I can tell you more. Without seeing anything, make sure he's playing DotC, mangle/thrash on CD, dump rage into Ironfur with Thorns of Iron, and ripweave
bleak scaffold
It's your job both to have tank swap working
solid sun
very taste based, what have you liked in the past
Arms sometimes, ret, marks and surv, destro sometimes, fire and arcane mages sometimes, I like the idea of feral and outlaw and ass but never have been good at them
restive oak
i'm watching sense's forgeweaver kill, and i much prefer the pylon energy presentation from his northern sky wa, but my guild uses liquid, is there anyway i can get liquid to present the pylon energy like that? or another individual wa that does?
dense cradle
Outlaw is welp full on crackhead start to finish
if you think fury is fast just wait
restive oak
outlaw is like double fury apm
undone beacon
i did a 12 flood earlier as fury cuz everyone is like "fury so big now" and i was not enjoying it
back to survival for dps
strong forum
i will always hate on fury
dense cradle
its more a playstyle if you enjoy hitting
strong forum
absolute garbage design philosophy
restive oak
i haven't played fury for a minute, but i feel current build seems pretty fun
strong forum
current build is literally 1 button
undone beacon
It just doesnt feel satisfying to play? Like conceptually swining around two big ass weapons and smacking people while spinning sounds awesome but in practice it feels so.... blegh
restive oak
bro, it's 2
strong forum
i will never understand how completely absence of any critical thought is fun
undone beacon
nome is here not to fucking, confirmed
solid sun
or you're indecisive
Bit of both
strong forum
and idk fdk
dense cradle
shut down the discord
jade hazel
ret is peak drooling yes
BM Hunter
cedar egret
destro lock is very simple too
dense cradle
mm is the only real hunter spec
jade hazel
They somehow dumbed it down more this season
dense cradle
i dont acknowledge hunters with pets
strong forum
i dont acknowledge hunter
solid sun
Survival is fun
strong forum
they are always players who you dont even notice are in your raid or guild
dense cradle
someone has to do the mechanics
jade hazel
I love a good bm hunter in m+ now
jade hazel
someone has to do the mechanics
There’s mechanics in omega?
jade hazel
Feel like this raid has like, the least mechanics of any raid I’ve done
strong forum
vault of the wardens
dense cradle
for melee kinda
dense cradle
incarnates?
dense cradle
idk half our ranged were dead on terros
strong forum
that raid legit doesnt exist on mythic except for raszageth a tiny bit
dense cradle
every week
strong forum
legit 0 mechanics entire raid
just follow boss, hit boss
dont stand in bad
WOOP
boss dead
solid sun
Didn’t you have to take your lightning to the mountains and step in lava before you got frozen in the council boss
Does that not count
dense cradle
no he means council
strong forum
ah that one was just FULL ON ZUG
strong forum
just stand all in the same spot
and send the boss home
that one was legit 0 mechanics
ohno i have 6 stacks, ok i clear we safe
dense cradle
yeah i mean you could just stand on the rock
strong forum
ohno i have 1 stack, ok i clear we safe
dense cradle
if it was next to the boss
strong forum
like the boss only applied 10 stacks
as long as you cleared ONCE at ANY point
youre fine
or you just get broken out by dps
or not
and just watch from the sidelines
completely irrelevant boss
dense cradle
theres a few dps specs which i swear
solid sun
Y’all def play a different game than me :/
solid sun
My group currently can’t kill H Saladbar. Does he have mechanics in your game
solid sun
H pugs are 6/8 consistently. Some can get the last two but it def isn’t consistent
strong forum
yeah okay but those are like demon pugs, im talking HoF/m+ title player pugs
solid sun
How do I get into those
strong forum
make friends
by talking shit in discord
and you get into, what is now #5 guild in the world as a trial (no longer am)
pallid quiver
or just don't raid because it's too much of a pain into the ass
undone beacon
im still waiting on that wizard rhino smh
solid sun
My only wow friends that don’t suck live here. Can we do a full pwar raid
pallid quiver
I find DPS players as a whole on NA pugs do better in raid than M+, but tanks are god awful in raids compared to M+
solid sun
im still waiting on that wizard rhino smh
He’s max level! Need to get gear and deep dive the wowhead page
pallid quiver
career raid tanks are like often the worst players, skillwise and mentality/personality wise, I ever run into
undone beacon
I started tanking cuz my guild died and i got tired of waiting in dps queues
strong forum
most tanks started out as dps
who got tired of shit tanks
and then became the shit tanks other people are tired of
dense cradle
I find DPS players as a whole on NA pugs do better in raid than M+, but tanks ar...
me when i join a random soulhunters pug for boots
and the rest of the dhs in group…
undone beacon
if only they had the boots
pallid quiver
me when i join a random soulhunters pug for boots
I've had DPS this season pull sub-healer DPS in M+
pallid quiver
Ret
solid sun
Mage players are often scams
dense cradle
rets arent good for shit
solid sun
Resto Druids are also fake
steady spruce
Guys, is this week's affix a tank mechanic
Cause every other player seems to run away afraid i take their orb
dense cradle
to faster times
solid sun
We have one ret friend and he consistently blasts immediately as I gather
And no matter how many times I tell him not to he just says it’s my responsibility to hold aggro lol
dense cradle
tell him to bop
solid sun
He also pads on anything I pull to the boss for funnel and while I don’t really know ret I feel like he’s griefing the funnel specs
Because I don’t think ret actually funnels but maybe they do
I just default to hes intentionally being a dick
undone beacon
sounds like a great friend to me
solid sun
strong forum
the turnaround on ret is so funny
it was one of the most dead specs in the game for multiple expansions
and then they reworked it in DF
and became #1 most played spec in the game
undone beacon
DF was a canon expansion for ret
strong forum
cuz of how simple is it
pallid quiver
It 100% was always popular with at least the casual crowd
solid sun
Rogue feels pretty low pop these days
dense cradle
Rogue feels pretty low pop these days
always is
pallid quiver
They may not have entered M+, maybe not even raids, but Rets were in town errywhere
frosty mango
Ironically survival is the anti ret
It was popular until blizz reworked it into something no one asked for
dense cradle
like i’ve always put ret in the same usefulness as those super niche specs
undone beacon
Its always the year of the spear now though
solid sun
Melee survival is so sick
dense cradle
rogue has always been super underplayed
even if its conventionally one of the “good” melee
strong forum
dense cradle
it also sucks ass at solo content so not a good selling point to casuals
strong forum
you probably have gazillion crit
dense cradle
like i feel the most popularity it has had was when tomb mandated multiple
or bfa making shroud good for pathing
solid sun
Didn’t you stack rogues for that troll priest guy in Uldir
dense cradle
yeah one boss
frosty mango
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7DD8BgzPLRv9jQWbkxY1vS
Vers is weighted relatively high in your current set and alch has a ton of static vers plus ms proc
dense cradle
alot couldnt play sub proper
if i personally got the run out mechanic we missed the push
the other rogues not so much
undone beacon
I feel like a spark on an alch stone is a bad investment when I'm still trying to get brand but i was just not expecting that haha
dense cradle
that passive existed entirety of legion rework
they just made a boss you could abuse it on
then realized its potentially problematic
in bfa
and now you’re basically a nuke cd spec every 90s
and tank damage outside cds
tranquil otter
@sterile orbit ty
sterile orbit
np
west ferry
Do tier 11 delves take a lot of time for you guys too or am I doing something bad? Upwards of 30-40 minutes
Also if I don’t have brann as healing i tend to die if I pull a lot
Also I have 3/4 tierset should I run tane or colossus?
lusty grotto
you should run colossus if you dont have 4pc
well
optimally
you can run either if you want, its entirely up to you
but colossus does more damage without 4pc
and usually we just run Brann as dps
the only notable examples are where we need a dispel like Zekvir
where we swap to healer
that was just a real edge case in s1
mighty valley
I can still pull pretty big in an 11 so long as I actually pay attention to mechanics, stuff like exploding spores will fuck you up
manic idol
how does prot actually feel this season? i played it a bit last season but i felt so reliant on the healer being decent to stay alive since there is very little self healing even tho the dmg reduc is really good im used to tanks like guardian and veng
mighty valley
But also like, there's not much point in going above 8... gilded crests I guess but you get so few, should just get them from m+
lusty grotto
how does prot actually feel this season? i played it a bit last season but i fel...
we really havent changed at all
if you didnt manage SB correctly you will still have those issues
hard wolf
is it time for the socket? had a bad week in terms of completion so no good vault
manic idol
if you didnt manage SB correctly you will still have those issues
my issue to be blunt without sounding cocky, i would pug in low keys to practice and just never get healed enough. had WA for SB and am a very compitent tank hitting 3200 on my main, would constantly just fall over on prot
hard wolf
i have read ppl really disliking it cause of the spawning of orbs and the must moves to get them. Plus the ring sims better
lusty grotto
what does it say here https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets
lusty grotto
i have read ppl really disliking it cause of the spawning of orbs and the must m...
why would you care what anyone thinks about an S-tier trinket?
mighty valley
my issue to be blunt without sounding cocky, i would pug in low keys to practice...
you gotta be doing something wrong, in low keys you can survive a ton without healing
lusty grotto
my issue to be blunt without sounding cocky, i would pug in low keys to practice...
you dont need heals in lower keys
hard wolf
why would you care what anyone thinks about an S-tier trinket?
I mean they were ppl from in here 😛
lusty grotto
I mean they were ppl from in here 😛
give me names
manic idol
you gotta be doing something wrong, in low keys you can survive a ton without he...
yeh i could never figure it out, maybe it was just a gear/stat issue since it was a very roughly put together alt last season
had like less then 10% haste at the time
hard wolf
give me names
plus I already have 2 other S tier trinkets
mighty valley
well, it could be a playing wrong build for your stats issue
manic idol
well, it could be a playing wrong build for your stats issue
i was using the colossal build
lusty grotto
plus I already have 2 other S tier trinkets
so?
do you have all 4?
antenna is superior to pacemaker, and only falls behind to tome on pure ST
so you have brand and...?
mighty valley
if it's an alt you just started playing, it's most likely just you not being used to the flow of the spec yet
plus no one kicking in low keys
manic idol
its just weird to me that almost every other tank i can play at a compitent level accept warrior which seems to be the tankiest
maybe its the tism
lusty grotto
why am i having this discussion though, im just flabbergasted someone would say "oh yeah ill just pick socket" over an antenna
hard wolf
i mean I did trigger you fast enough tbh
lusty grotto
theres enough stupid here to discern trolling
i did say it was trolling right off the bat
toxic gyro
i mean I did trigger you fast enough tbh
I mean… why are you asking what to pick from vault when you don’t want to pick recommended best option?
warm plinth
What are your thoughts on some of the dps specs. What do you find fun, what do y...
Uhhhh, I like outlaw rogue, destruction warlock, fury warrior (sometimes), frost mage. I think the easiest spec I've played is beast mastery, which I enjoy but that's mostly because I'm not good at the game yet i want to contribute appropriately, so easy specs are the way to go. I'm not sure I am the person to talk to about good design. I can usually identify something that isn't good more than what's well designed. An example is like...outlaw requiring a lot more concentration than most other specs, or the pack leader 4 piece.
hard wolf
I was gonna pick the antenna and then I got here in the middle of the convo about how not optimal it is in M+ to have to move to get the orb etc. and then second thoughts poped
lusty grotto
link the post
warm plinth
Both of those are things I'd change. But I couldn't tell you what is well-designed or not. I've always just been like is this fun. If it is, I like it and think it's cool
hard wolf
link the post
let me find it
lusty grotto
i just wanna know who the fuck keeps complaining about doing something for a trinket, game is too hard i guess
mellow yoke
i have read ppl really disliking it cause of the spawning of orbs and the must m...
I'd rather move a bit for 2-3 orbs and get 16k crit
warm plinth
Is the antenna is better than pace statement based on before or after the bug or whatever that was making it sim higher
tribal wharf
looking back on it its insane how hard everything batman from 80's 90s and early 2000's was. some of the best actors and performances of all time
mellow yoke
how often would you not be able to move in a situation
hard wolf
maybe when you are close to ninja pull more
mellow yoke
maybe when you are close to ninja pull more
All DPSs I had never pulled cause of antenna
and if ur tanking pull close to another pack
it's on you
honestly
lusty grotto
im just wondering why a one line opinion would invalidate a sweeping agreement between just about all our guides and every single warrior on a trinket
pallid quiver
i think antenna's bad because i don't have it
lament osprey
Same
hard wolf
haha you are really upset about it. I am just happy I got the right answer
warm plinth
Dragon games equipment my beloved
I loved that trinket. Shame it wasnt better damage or at least not physical
acoustic hearth
Isn’t antenna kinda mid?
lusty grotto
Dragon games equipment my beloved
just do delves, the dispenser is basically the same thing
lusty grotto
now thats just very bad trolling
warm plinth
Yeah but it has to be good and fun, not just good
acoustic hearth
Pacemaker and soleah are about equal in overall value
warm plinth
Er
hard wolf
i get what you say. but I cant understand why it doesnt sim better for me. Do I have to do anything specific for it?
warm plinth
Not just fun
acoustic hearth
Like tanking your gonna miss quite a bit of the procs
solid sun
Remember that legion trinket. Draught if lost souls or whatever. That thing clapped. I think they nerfed it like 17 times the next tier
warm plinth
i get what you say. but I cant understand why it doesnt sim better for me. Do I ...
Sim better than what
warm plinth
Remember that legion trinket. Draught if lost souls or whatever. That thing clap...
That was a fun one
lusty grotto
"antenna is mid"
warm plinth
The animation was awesome too
acoustic hearth
At least it’s mid for dh
warm plinth
The new meme is everyone is pepega now
lusty grotto
yeah apparently
warm plinth
These are his alt accounts
solid sun
Antenna was oversimming. Is that where this is coming from?
lament osprey
I’m going add fuel to fire with a ring
lament osprey
Jastor still bis
hard wolf
Sim better than what
than current trinkets. In aoe it says -25.7%
warm plinth
Yes what are your current trinkets
lusty grotto
than current trinkets. In aoe it says -25.7%
link sim
warm plinth
And what are you simming scenario wise
acoustic hearth
stop linking that shit here
😂😂😂
acoustic hearth
Is it not the same issue that all tanks would have
lusty grotto
now sim 5 target patchwerk
acoustic hearth
Not getting to pick up the proc
hard wolf
Patchwerk 3 bosses 1.5m
warm plinth
Because that seems impossible to me that any trinket is 25% worse than another at same ilevel
lusty grotto
link sim
acoustic hearth
Because that seems impossible to me that any trinket is 25% worse than another a...
First technique trinket
Case closed
warm plinth
Ok besides a literal trash trinket
acoustic hearth
😭😭😭
solid sun
I wish I could play outlaw
solid sun
Facts
lament osprey
For st do yall sim 3 min or 5 min?
warm plinth
I love the spec but im trash at it
warm plinth
I do 3 mins because it's the average m+ length for boss fights
Or as close as it gets anyway
lusty grotto
i just do 5 mins because i dont give a shit
and because wow audit requires 5 mins anyway
solid sun
What the heck is wow audit
warm plinth
Wow audit?
solid sun
Is the Azeroth irs after you?
lusty grotto
myth guild things
lusty grotto
uhh
solid sun
Happy bday
solid sun
Why is it cursed
lusty grotto
im afraid to answer that
pallid quiver
What the heck is wow audit
I think it's some raid tool to see who's done keys or some shit for guilds or something or to see what's bis or something
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I thought we established it was the azeroth irs
solid sun
lol
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Luerce trying to change the facts
acoustic hearth
im afraid to answer that
It’s cursed bc he realized astral antenna is Garbo
lusty grotto
youre an idiot
acoustic hearth
XD 🤣
lusty grotto
go back to fel hammer
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Happy 18th birthday Nimchip
solid sun
Ecks dee
acoustic hearth
go back to fel hammer
Let me memeeee
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You're finally a man
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Except for alcohol and cigarettes*
solid sun
In three years you can finally drink legally
lusty grotto
i love my apple juice and my sippy cup
solid sun
Just a wee lad, drinking bourbon on the booster seat
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We spike his apple juice with vodka
acoustic hearth
i love my apple juice and my sippy cup
solid sun
I could see nim covering his pancakes or waffles in maple flavored whiskey
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So this one time I was in home ec right
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And I loathe cooked carrots but we were making maple glazed carrots