this is the realest, always applicable answer
#protection
pallid quiver
warm plinth
That's pretty funny
frosty mango
And someone will come in and say “but they are the best” and every time fail to grasp that they are the best because they are the best players and their success has very little to do with their class choice
pseudo swan
is this actually good to rely on
or am i supposed to train myself
to just weave in ignore pain
like am i building a bad habit relying on a macro like this?
pallid quiver
People come in here and be like, "yo I have 69k haste, 42k crit, 80085 vers, and -1500 mastery, is more crit good?" and i'm like
frosty mango
Yes but I think you are misunderstanding its purpose
pallid quiver
i unno sim it
lofty warren
Class choice matters. Image trying to bdk in m+ at start of season
pallid quiver
Class choice matters. Image trying to bdk in m+ at start of season
you mean like the people who bdk in M+ at the start of season?
frosty mango
It’s not meant to replace shield slam it’s meant to replace your ip button so you catch shield slam procs while pressing ip
pseudo swan
Yes but I think you are misunderstanding its purpose
i guess my point is aren't there going to be times when you want to use a diff global
frosty mango
Class choice matters. Image trying to bdk in m+ at start of season
No class choice does not matter
pseudo swan
and this you lose the optionality?
pallid quiver
and continuously push high keys that are, like, at worst only 2 key levels lower than world first, or are one key level than world first, or are world first?
frosty mango
Every season every spec titles
lofty warren
That macro is suboptimal i wouldn't recommend lest you learn bad habit
frosty mango
The player matters infinitely more than the spec
pallid quiver
and this you lose the optionality?
You can press the button in between the GCD
pallid quiver
This keybind is specifically useful for trying to snipe SS resets
don't listen to pepega, i doubt he even understands what the macro does
lofty warren
The player matters infinitely more than the spec
Pilot matters more but I can fly a f-35 faster than you can drive your car
frosty mango
It is perfectly fine for what it intends to do
pseudo swan
now im confused 🙁
pallid quiver
It replaces your IP bind to help you snipe SS resets
frosty mango
Pilot matters more but I can fly a f-35 faster than you can drive your car
Yeah but you’re comparing a plane to a car
pallid quiver
now im confused 🙁
Pepega was given a special role for his efforts in the Pala discord last I checked.
lofty warren
But ss is not even the best ability to press
pallid quiver
it is not a good role
frosty mango
We’re comparing cars to cars
lofty warren
It will make you cast ss when you should be casting something else. There it is bad
frosty mango
….no
pallid quiver
now im confused 🙁
Anyhow, you'll still have a SS button while using this macro
frosty mango
That’s not remotely correct lol
undone beacon
now im confused 🙁
Just use the macro. Its good and reccomended for a reason.
pallid quiver
So it doesn't save you any buttons; it replaces specifically your IP bind.
If there's higher prio GCDs, like CDs, you can, like,
just press the macro during the GCD and press the CD
you won't get shield slam
pseudo swan
sorry is there ever a world where i would want to say prioritize pressing execute over a SS reset
lofty warren
Yeah but you’re comparing a plane to a car
Pilot matters more but I can drive a NASCAR car faster than you can drive your Ford model t
pseudo swan
and this prevents me from doing so as it eats up a global?
or that's such a fringe case
that largely speaking it doesn't matter and this helps you snipe SS better so you're not wasting an SS reset proc?
is that the way to think about it?
pallid quiver
The specific use of it is that it sometimes helps you catch SS resets and can reduce stress when needing to mash a lot of IP throughout specific moments of high rage gen
frosty mango
All that macro does is this
When you are pressing IP, if you get a shield slam proc, it will also cast shield slam. Because ip is not on the global both can be cast at the same time - but your fingers are only hitting one button
The macro helps you account for an edge case where shield slam procs while you are pressing up
pallid quiver
sorry is there ever a world where i would want to say prioritize pressing execut...
If you're pressing Execute, you don't need to press IP in most cases, since Execute consumes rage
lofty warren
If you need to cast IP to not die and shield charge higher on prio list.. now you are forced to push ss with the macro which is suboptimal since shield charge is the better more optimal choice
pallid quiver
But there are times when prioritizing Execute, particularly with AOE execute, can be higher value than SS
pseudo swan
you don't want to maintain IP in execution if you're taking hits?
pallid quiver
IP is not a life saving button
Its main strength comes from bleeding away the damage you take over time
pseudo swan
i see
undone beacon
IP is something that is maintained passively with good play, using IP to dump rage when you're close to cap, which is often for Thane
pallid quiver
In addition, damage you deal with Bru Vit makes it so your IP absorbs more, as well
pseudo swan
so if you're not hitting cap, and as long as you have shield wall up
you don't need to press IP as much?
undone beacon
Shield Slam resets are priority, so ensuring you dont munch any you're good
pallid quiver
and if you're not using brutal vit, you instead get healing from bleeds
We also have almost 10% leech baseline in the class tree
pseudo swan
mm
pallid quiver
you don't need to press IP as much?
IP is mostly handled as a rage dump
undone beacon
so if you're not hitting cap, and as long as you have shield wall up
Shield Block, but yes
pseudo swan
sorry yes shield block
lofty warren
Long story short if you use that macro then you will be casting ss when in reality it would be better if you pushed a different button. One higher on list
pallid quiver
Its defensive benefits come as a result of that
frosty mango
god these names D
Moral of the story, don’t listen to pepega
We love him
….But more like a cat
We do love him tho
lofty warren
Grrr
pseudo swan
lol
pallid quiver
We love him
please don't wrap me into this
frosty mango
❤️
frosty mango
please don't wrap me into this
Too late
blazing ridge
I just want to add I found the Macro to be more useful as col, but its just a feely thing idk might be wrong
frosty mango
I use all kinds of terrible macros I won’t link here
blazing ridge
xdd
frosty mango
I am lazy and sometimes I want to brain off
pallid quiver
i don't even use that IP macro
i play with an mmo mouse, so anytime i'd want the macro, i just hit both the IP button and shield slam button at the same time
undone beacon
this is my best and favorite macro
frosty mango
i don't even use that IP macro
i play with an mmo mouse, so anytime i'd want th...
In any key sub 14 or so I macro ip to thunderclap and shield block to shield slam and then watch Netflix while I autopilot the key
DO NOT DO THIS IT ISNT OPTIMAL AND IT WILL MAKE YOU BAD
blazing ridge
Thought about making spell reflect yell macro but I fear people will kick 3rd boss HoA and First Boss Dawn even more then xdd
lofty warren
See here @frosty mango if you need to cast ip and have the macro then won't you be using a GCD on ss instead of one of the 4 gcd abilities that are higher up on the list?
pallid quiver
roid don't respond, it's not reading
mighty valley
it's a mixed bag this season, sometimes you wanna outburst a big thunderblast
frosty mango
See here <@228540157333078016> if you need to cast ip and have the macro then wo...
Yes but unless you can handle the cognitive load to recognize you need to press two buttons at once, the macro is gonna net you a better result
Maybe you can
I certainly can’t
mighty valley
wait did the thing i responded to disappear
toxic gyro
In any key sub 14 or so I macro ip to thunderclap and shield block to shield sla...
Better to have and recommend shield slam + shield block macro than watch majority of low key prot warriors having 40-65% sb uptime
frosty mango
Better to have and recommend shield slam + shield block macro than watch majorit...
Disagree
blazing ridge
Guys maybe I am just bad at pressing execute, but I feel 25% more rend/dw damages helps my dps more than 15% more execute dmg 
pallid quiver
It's worse for their overall development, but for the people Bandi's talking about, it'd be an immediate improvement
frosty mango
Being able to play optimally (which I do at push keys) and using a crutch bc you wanna brain off is different than teaching someone how to play properly and not rely on a suboptimal crutch
pallid quiver
you forget, roid, that a greater portion of the populace have trouble pressing at least one button every 3-4 GCDs
pallid quiver
And will never learn since they don't want to learn
frosty mango
And will never learn since they don't want to learn
True enough lol
pallid quiver
They'd rather just talk about how awesome they are and then spit whatever recent bullshit they've heard that made them feel good
frosty mango
But that’s just a perfect example of streamer/mentality
Imagine if I said “use this macro and your sb uptime will be goated” and made a video
Everyone parrots it
lofty warren
Yes but unless you can handle the cognitive load to recognize you need to press ...
With the proper cognitive load, would you agree that it would be optimal to not use the macro?
Tbh idc if you do or don't. But when I read it.. I just see it as suboptimal like using 1 button rotation is
frosty mango
I’m not a streamer but let’s say yoda did
People would do it, they would see immediate results, and this deem it correct
pallid quiver
i was trying to just chill and do lfr gamba for tier on my prot pal and I was put in with another pala also in S2 gear who was bitching at me for constantly taunting off of him until he tried to intentionally sabotage the raid and yelling about it in chat
frosty mango
Even though mathematically it is incorrect
pallid quiver
and his issue was the only buttons he ever pressed was judgment and avenger's shield
frosty mango
With the proper cognitive load, would you agree that it would be optimal to not ...
I don’t think I would go as far as to call it sub optimal but if you could be a robot and play perfectly? Yes you would probably see better results
mighty valley
See here <@228540157333078016> if you need to cast ip and have the macro then wo...
when you recognize your cooldowns are going to be available, you can offset your IP presses from your GCD by a fraction of a second and IP won't be able to press shield slam
if that's too much to think about though, sure, don't use the macro
pallid quiver
when you recognize your cooldowns are going to be available, you can offset your...
i'll be mad if this one gets read since I brought this up before, harrow
mighty valley
sometimes it's a team effort
pallid quiver
I'll accept that
frosty mango
Functionally I think most people, even people who are trying to play optimally, will see a net gain from the ip/ss macro bc honestly no one can process that quickly
The benefit far outweighs the draw back
It is a positive risk reward scenario
So doing it makes sense
dry skiff
Functionally I think most people, even people who are trying to play optimally, ...
you can if you split them into left hand and right hand, which will be mouse button
remote hollow
guys i have 1 spark, what would u recommend to craft?
last scarab
anyone know more or less how much overall damage i should be aiming for in lets say ara kara at 706 ilvl ?
Is 3.65 mil low?
frosty mango
Occams razor right?
What is more likely - that the literal best warrior players in the world, are playing suboptimally with this macro when they could be playing better
Or
Using the macro will in reality net the best result regardless of the mathematical technicalities
Feel free to go get some logs and prove me wrong but I don’t think you’ll find any
remote hollow
Is 3.65 mil low?
its fine dps, but depends on level of key
frosty mango
I’m open to see data otherwise
last scarab
its fine dps, but depends on level of key
a 13 ara kara
remote hollow
a 13 ara kara
how much of timer was left?
remote hollow
like if u did a fine +1, then u did fine
pseudo swan
how the hell are we retrieving our weapons tf?
remote hollow
imo 1min in 13 is fine, as long as u didnt die much
lofty warren
when you recognize your cooldowns are going to be available, you can offset your...
Ohh i see.. but even if you figure out you can press ip while you're on gcd you would always have to know to push the higher prio gcd before the ip.
And for what? Sometimes you'll cast ss instead of a lower prio gcd because it got reset?
Do you use it?
last scarab
This is my damage breakdown
remote hollow
guys i have 1 spark, what would u recommend to craft?
.
pallid quiver
I have the log for it if you wanna see
If you want to improve your damage, chucking a log is the best idea. There's actually a forum below where you can post your logs
mighty valley
Ohh i see.. but even if you figure out you can press ip while you're on gcd you ...
yeah, it catches a ss reset sometimes when my brain was already locked into pressing revenge
pallid quiver
That being said, as long as you don't die and hold aggro, you're fine gameplay wise. If you want to contribute more damage, just from that alone, you can definitely do a non-zero amount more, like pressing Execute like, at all
mighty valley
as for your first line... yeah? i do always know to press cooldowns at a higher priority?
pallid quiver
14 casts of execute is low for a raid encounter, let alone an entire dungeon run
last scarab
its a dungeon, im not running the execute build tho
I have like a weird build i guess haha
pallid quiver
that doesn't even have any influence on my statement
Without any execute talents, you'd still end up with more just from the boss fights alone
lusty grotto
read the wowhead guide and use the weekly build
last scarab
(this is for m+)
lusty grotto
instead of copying archon
lofty warren
as for your first line... yeah? i do always know to press cooldowns at a higher ...
With the macro if you have shield charge and dragon roar then you are pushing sc, casting ip macro only while you are in gcd, then casting roar, and then repeating but only when ss is not the highest possible ability not on cd
last scarab
im not copying archon tho
im (sorta) copying kira
but he plays the execute build sorta
lusty grotto
this isnt the first time we've seen this build
mighty valley
With the macro if you have shield charge and dragon roar then you are pushing sc...
what's wrong with that
lofty warren
When ss is the highest you switch to pushing ss before the gcd
Feels like using the macro is more cognitive load
nocturne spindle
The macro was eating a lot of my outburst procs this season it was kinda annoying
lusty grotto
its 4% more that falls behind to those talents
mighty valley
The macro was eating a lot of my outburst procs this season it was kinda annoyin...
yeah this is the real reason not to use it, for once you don't always want to outburst shield slam
lusty grotto
bloodborne does absolutely jack shit as thane
Armor spec = armor (read your Armored to the Teeth talent in the class tree)
it'll make more sense
nocturne spindle
Yea I forgot I even had it on and kept wondering where my outburst procs went
I finally remembered about it like two days ago
last scarab
I see, so change Bloodborne -> Shield Spec
pallid quiver
just so i understand my error
You get more general benefit out of it in damage reduction, as well; it also gives you strength against magic as well, since it means less IP effort and survival efforts go towards physical attacks
lusty grotto
Shield spec = idk what else to explain other than 18% at a 6/6 myth shield results in around SIX MORE UPGRADES of 3 ILVL worth
to your shield
pallid quiver
The less you worry about physical damage, the more you can leverage IP, CDs, etc against magic damage
lofty warren
Omg the macro also makes you use the proc for ss when it should be aoe stomp together. Its ok, I will miss a few instant ss resets in order to save myself from all the cognitive load imo
pallid quiver
It's also why parry is indirectly good against things like bleeds and dots. Sure, it can't negate those (usually), but it makes it so you're only taking damage from those
lofty warren
But can't you time you macro pushing so it doesnt consume outburst in aoe?
last scarab
okay good i changed it
pallid quiver
But can't you time you macro pushing so it doesnt consume outburst in aoe?
you can just press the macro off the GCD
and if you ever want to snipe shield slam resets
you just press the button again
you don't get IP unless you changed your spell queue to 7000 or some shit
and it'll snipe SS if it comes off
and if you don't press it a second time, it only gives IP
mellow yoke
I fucking hate it
how come
frosty mango
or hate it because of how awesome it is
mighty valley
it's s1 again
nocturne spindle
It's honestly minor either way and there's probably like 20 people in the world who can play it perfectly in giga pull with rage coming out the ass
mellow yoke
is this some ad
frosty mango
is this some ad
why are you willing to pay?
round pendant
and not fun
frosty mango
mighty valley
repetitive strain injury
last scarab
dude i do something unholy but
mighty valley
and not fun
you are correct but the masses will reject your truth
last scarab
LMFAO
lofty warren
It's just spammy as fuck
Aoe stomp aoe stomp aoe stomp aoe stomp 10/10 rotation
lusty grotto
dude i do something unholy but
thats not how you check that
go to damage taken, select yourself
put your mouse over melee or any other blockable hit
mighty valley
dude i do something unholy but
is shield block macro'd into shield slam
last scarab
mighty valley
oof
last scarab
this?
last scarab
wait how HAHAH
last scarab
lusty grotto
close but not quite there yet
mighty valley
better
last scarab
is shield block macro'd into shield slam
no
mighty valley
ok, what's your unholy tech
lusty grotto
now go down the list
with your mouse
and check every other blockable one
if its below 90%, you can improve a lot
last scarab
i feel like its mostly me getting hit from behind yea?
lusty grotto
you cant really tell by doing that
gotta check damage taken events and see if SB is up etc
and if it reports blocked damage
lofty warren
Macroing sb makes sense but it would make you cast it when pack is about to die/when tou don't need it
pallid quiver
you cant really tell by doing that
you can get a large idea by turning the shield block source aura filter on
It'll show you only hits you took with shield block up
lusty grotto
yeah im aware
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's mostly a mention for anyone who sees that who's trying to view their own logs
last scarab
I have in my scrollwheel Shield Block + IP (up and down), and my IP has shield slam, so i spam that except when im not taking damage, or execute phase, on execute phase, i have execute in my mouse and i spam R (shield slam) and execute LMAO
lusty grotto
do we have your log?
last scarab
hahahaha its okay i switched it up already
lusty grotto
when it comes to play, it doesnt help anybody to make fun of them
last scarab
there are some times that I do kinda get fucked out of rage, but its not like ultra common its usually at the end of pulls, and vs bosses i feel like my momentum is low
but also i felt nice when this happened i would use my trinket (tome) and my rage stocks went up
mighty valley
you really can't get fucked out of rage, especially as thane
if you're being responsible about when you press IP
pallid quiver
you really can't get fucked out of rage, especially as thane
okay, but hear me out
i pressed execute instead of revenge at 40 rage and no SS or TC because I thought the boss would die in that global
and then it doesn't
and so i sit there for another global thinking about what i've done
neon elk
Blame dps for not finishing boss in that global
mighty valley
well, if you hadn't pressed execute, in all likelihood it wouldn't have survived all the way til your next global
better to have pressed execute and lost
than to never have pressed execute at all
dusky canopy
@frosty mango bro post a +15 HoA and invite brewjj
its the last one he needs
zugging >:)
dusky canopy
@frosty mango hold that thought I'm in one 😄
neon elk
Is hoa noticable better now or do i have just high hopes ? Had no time to test it yet
winged light
hey, i want to learn prot warri as my 2nd tank. played vdh for my first time ever playing wow in s2
i am reading many different things, depending on the website or guide. as mointain thane, how often do you actually use revenge and why? some dont have it in their rota at all while wowhead for example states to use it to prevent rage overcapping
mighty valley
I haven't done an hoa yet but hard to imagine it's not better
mighty valley
hey, i want to learn prot warri as my 2nd tank. played vdh for my first time eve...
use it when you have an empty gcd with nothing else to press, that's basically it
jagged gust
revenge does 2 things, it applies deep wounds in aoe and can proc a reset on SS
last scarab
I just press it on vibes
nocturne spindle
Yes you basically hit it once for bleed
slender bison
Is hoa noticable better now or do i have just high hopes ? Had no time to test...
You can now get away with only 1 gargoyle near shard boss and left pull after boss 1 with BL is more easy since you only have to survive 3 reavers
last scarab
if the vibes are off i just dont press it
nocturne spindle
Then when you don't have other stuff
winged light
how often do i need to reapply bleeds?`and thunderous roar does it too right?
lusty grotto
you dont really think about it
im not sure what you mean by troar does it too
does it reapply deep wounds and rend? no
winged light
okay so bleeds are not that important? got it
harsh musk
what sort of ilvl are people dropping d.i.s.c for atm
lusty grotto
the sort that sims suggest to
lusty grotto
yes
winged light
sry mb
lusty grotto
and revenge applies deep wounds
so does devastator
and you do both on your normal play
so you dont have to think about them
winged light
okay
what applies deep wounds if i may ask? and what exactly r both? can google that shit if questions are too dumb haha
hyperfixating on understanding the class i wanna play lol
nocturne spindle
Revenge applies deep wounds
As mountain thane it's just a bleed for damage
Rend comes from thunder clap
If they don't have rend on them you have fucked something up as thane
Lol
lusty grotto
and revenge applies deep wounds
lusty grotto
so does devastator
lusty grotto
missed i guess
half jewel
If I am in just T Blast and SS spam, theres not much of a reason to hit revenge unless you don't plan to hit IP right? Even if you get a proc?
I mean SS resets sure but outside of that
lusty grotto
you do hit revenge
winged light
sry was asking because u said deep wounds also comes from "normal play", i thought that means without pressing revenge. so i was wondering what applies it
but i just realized devastator is not a spell but just aa
lusty grotto
saying you dont is just lying to yourself
you dont get non stop TB procs
unless if youre sleeping on your GCDs
winged light
so the call with pressing it but just on vibes is accurate? haha
winged light
revenge i mean
winged light
okay now im gonna be real dumb. whats ss? haha
lusty grotto
shield slam
winged light
ahhh okok
lusty grotto
when TB/TC are down, and SS is down, you just press revenge
last scarab
Nim is gathering karma to get the trinkets they need
winged light
these r still so many buttons man i am used to league its just max 4 buttons and that was already too much for my dumb ass brain
these role discords are so helpful i love it
pulsar epoch
guys which defensive trinkets are good for us
lusty grotto
brand, nucleus, mud, embrace
those are the only 4
in order of importance
with the weakest one being the last one
pulsar epoch
gues i will stick with mud till i get brand 🙁
lusty grotto
or dont
neon elk
Kinda curious at what point ill be like yea i need deff trinket
lusty grotto
cause you dont really need it unless youre on 17s+
pulsar epoch
thank you
lusty grotto
the only notable use of it is if you dont skip the Jumpstarters on 15+
thats the one mob that slaps us around this season
there's other notable ones but they dont scale up that early
neon elk
I still have my butt clenched on last miniboss in priory for some reason, ptsd i guess
lusty grotto
either way, just skip em
remote hollow
guys, what ilvl belt should be good to swap out the delve belt?
like.. if i do crafted 720, will it be good enough to replace?
mighty valley
sim it but almost certainly yes
zinc peak
guys, what ilvl belt should be good to swap out the delve belt?
I replaced delve belt asap, doesnt give stats just a gem slot and effect.
zinc peak
i replaced with crafter belt with the first sparks i got, the effect is strong but id rather the steady stats from the crafted 720 belt, plus the crafted belt is BiS
neon elk
Well i rather crafted a shield asap instead of like 10ilvl of power on belt , but u do u
zinc peak
my first vault was myth shield
neon elk
Wepon? Thats alsoc far better craft than belt
zinc peak
I was just aiming for BiS so went with belt and bracers, seems to be the case on everything i read.
rancid basalt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sSr6pFAxtTrdabqrAPdFdH
Any suggestions on gems/enchants? im not really sure when to start taking more vers over crit/hate etc obviously i can sim for damage but starting to do higher keys now etc, so not sure
hardy snow
Araz finally dead, still no shield from the bug, maybe next reclear 
neon elk
I was just aiming for BiS so went with belt and bracers, seems to be the case on...
Thats like the total bis, most guides advice to get good shield and wep asap as thats your most meaningfull upgrade , dont get me wrong , nothing bad about going belt and aiming for that pure bis asap especialy if u mythic raid, but saying to swap disc asap cuz it has no stats is kinda weird.
lusty grotto
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sSr6pFAxtTrdabqrAPdFdH
Any suggestions o...
haste everything, haste/crit or haste/versa
just put them both on gear compare and replace gems option, and youll have your answer
rancid basalt
Makes sense, just seeing people enchanting vers here and there and wasnt sure if i was missing something?
neon elk
I mean, i have enchated rings in vers cuz i have enough haste and it sims quite higher than crit enchants
lusty grotto
I was just aiming for BiS so went with belt and bracers, seems to be the case on...
myth > crafted weapon is more important than "bis", any bis you see is not set in stone, its dictated by sims, your bis is what sims highest
and a crafted weapon will always sim higher than a hero track
and a myth weapon will always sim higher than a crafted gilded one
rancid basalt
Stupid question, is it worth crafting a ring, or just upgrading my other mythic items/upgrading hero trinkets?
lusty grotto
do you have sparks?
lusty grotto
because you should have done shield > weapon > bracers unless you had myth tracks
on those particular slots
rancid basalt
yeah ive mythic weapon and shield and crafted bracers and belt XD
rancid basalt
Thats fair, i assume its probably just better to spend my crests on my hero ceasless ire and or myth tier
rancid basalt
I just dont have sparks for it though is all
neon elk
U have 2 cratfs how do u not have another free spark?
remote hollow
5mil dps 13 eda... sheesh
lusty grotto
we should have 4 sparks by next reset so
neon elk
But he also said he had no spark?
rancid basalt
Yeah i got a shield craft week one, then first vault was shield XD
neon elk
Och okej that makes sense now
lusty grotto
then yes just wait until next reset
rancid basalt
soo bummer there
wind whale
do sparks keep coming bi-weekly throughout the whole season?
rancid basalt
yeah thats true tbf
lusty grotto
do sparks keep coming bi-weekly throughout the whole season?
yes throughout
rancid basalt
Then ill upgrade my trinket this week and maybe craft next week and get a ring then am basically done XD
Other than tracks ofc
neon elk
Do u actualy save any crests tho? Isnt it only when u craft 2h and then spend crest on 1h shield?
lusty grotto
you do
neon elk
Is my math not mathing ?
lusty grotto
crafted shield means 1 through 5 out of 6 are free
for specifically shield
but not for the 1h
wind whale
yeah becasue upgrading a 707 myth to 720 is 60 gilded
lusty grotto
youre not "saving crests", the proper term is: youre not losing them
neon elk
Craft is 60 , full mythic upgrade is 75, upgrading mythic from crafted is 15, both are 75 in total?
rancid basalt
you just lose a spark, but who really cares
rancid basalt
My shield was like 690, when i crafted shield so i saved a lot at the time
neon elk
Just did , was kinda confused by that "save' and how tf did i count it wrong
lusty grotto
right, phrasing was wrong
the only real way you lose crests is if you upgrade something past 1/6 myth track from a lower track,
or
from a 2/6 3/6 myth track from raid
but thats largely a concern for the first few weeks
livid onyx
what trinket combination gona be the best for m+? i have Brand of Ceaseless Ire/Tomb of Light's Devotion/ Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker all hc track
lusty grotto
if you need prio targetting: brand + tome
if you dont need prio targetting: brand + pacemaker
mellow yoke
isnt theoretically antenna better than pacemaker
lusty grotto
yes, if in theory you can grab the orb consistently
pacemaker is a lot more hands-off
but he didnt say he had antenna, so im just not including it
lusty grotto
dont sleep on prio targetting
its super important in keys
and boss damage will suffer without tome
also brand + tome will be your raid pick
livid onyx
i dont progress raid at all just weekly hc clear
lusty grotto
not for progress
for damage
well for both
youre inting if you dont use a tome in ST
hardy snow
brand isnt that great for hc, as fights are too short
hardy snow
but still good
livid onyx
kk thanks
errant wagon
When it comes to single target damage optimization, 1-target.
If we have a Violent Outburst proc + severe thunder (4pc buff), do we still spend on Shield Slam?
lusty grotto
yes
errant wagon
gotcha, always shield slam.
Another thing on button priority....
I'm trying to do some log analysis of myself with single target raid fights and I'm trying so hard but somehow still falling quite a bit short of top parses.
everyone always seems to have way more ionizing strike procs than me, but I'm only ever 3-5 thunderblast behind in the logs I'm looking at
lusty grotto
its rng so
errant wagon
is that just slot machine? Do we priority thunderblast in single target now? '
errant wagon
ok that is news to me, did not know that! Thunderblast is prio over shield slam, except with outburst
I think that is enough for me to work with
chrome falcon
thunderblast is prio because you might just proc 4 times in a row
errant wagon
the rotation priority on wowhead does not say that, it says shield slam :/
lusty grotto
the only reason that changes is in 2+ targets aka you outburst TB
chrome falcon
and yeah p warr logs are probably the most worthless they've ever been
toxic pewter
When tb resets itself do you guys wait the nanosecond to cast it again or sort of just shield slam then into that reset tb
chrome falcon
it's just insanely rng
lusty grotto
When tb resets itself do you guys wait the nanosecond to cast it again or sort o...
dont wait
bleak breach
Question for those who know
Does brand keep stacking during downtime like dimensius intermission etc?
errant wagon
it's just insanely rng
one log I looked at someone had 30 execute procs on a 2.5 minute plexus fight... I had 11
I was like ok I literally cant compete
lusty grotto
Does brand keep stacking during downtime like dimensius intermission etc?
youre in combat so yes
loud wolf
As a new player, any tips on figuring out what to pick from vault (opened as fury by accident) ? is it just tier piece until a get 4 set?
chrome falcon
one log I looked at someone had 30 execute procs on a 2.5 minute plexus fight......
i doubt they got 30 sudden deaths procs in 2.5 minutes that sounds very wrong
bleak breach
Thanks, I thought that might be the case but I know in the past we’ve had issues
lusty grotto
As a new player, any tips on figuring out what to pick from vault (opened as fur...
follow this handy guide #protection message
bleak breach
Top mythic Loomithar logs are ridiculous
lusty grotto
but yes if you dont have 4pc, you want 4pc
bleak breach
I’d hate to know how many execute procs they had. I was like 40 off and felt like I was spamming it
lusty grotto
just in case you guys werent tired of SC reset procs in s2!
here comes RNG procs from s3 tier!
bleak breach
We love it
lusty grotto
but yeah SD has always been RNG
its just less impactful now since juggernaught is gone
slightly
bleak breach
SD adds so much if you’re getting them in downtime of other procs
errant wagon
i doubt they got 30 sudden deaths procs in 2.5 minutes that sounds very wrong
ok yea exagerating quite a bit lol, but 14 compared to the 8 I'm getting on average in the same amount of time in my pulls: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BgrnQxjRhAHpJzyv?fight=1&type=auras&source=17&ability=52437
still a lot
bleak breach
Yeah, just rng
errant wagon
guess that's why it's a top log
bleak breach
I’ve had pulls where I’ve had like 6 sudden death by end of lust then next pull feels like none for the fight
errant wagon
hear hear
bleak breach
guess that's why it's a top log
It’s the double combo, look at the ionising strikes too. Both must’ve been proccing constantly
errant wagon
yea this is the one that made me feel bad, I was like this guy is getting ionizing strikes out the ass lol
lusty grotto
none of those occur if you dont have uptime
if youre gonna look at something
uptime you can control up to a certain ponit
RNG you cannot
if this group was sandbagging so that the tank didnt jump out to africa for tank bomb
gentle ore
follow this handy guide https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/14889794...
Can we get that pinned?
lusty grotto
you are 100% fucked
errant wagon
if this group was sandbagging so that the tank didnt jump out to africa for tank...
lol very true
bleak breach
Do we actually know the range of drop off?
In mythic I end up in narnia and feels like it takes half hour to get back
errant wagon
I use my cape to get back
errant wagon
cape + charge
bleak breach
Mythic you kinda can’t, have to hold it?
pseudo swan
why is my healing after a dungeon so low
lusty grotto
you can
pseudo swan
what do i need to be doing better to have higher healing
bleak breach
why is my healing after a dungeon so low
Not taking enough damage
lusty grotto
we're not a healing tank, stop looking at it
errant wagon
why is my healing after a dungeon so low
it lines up in mythic fine if you do it the right times
bleak breach
It’s just relative to damage taken
pseudo swan
ah got it
bleak breach
Less healing = less damage taken
lusty grotto
your HPS does not matter as a warrior
bleak breach
^
lusty grotto
stop looking at a useless metric
mighty valley
stun the enemy and use Runecloth Bandage
lusty grotto
look at it if youre a BDK or a VDH
lusty grotto
blocks
pseudo swan
just how much time is my healer spending / wasting heals on me
mighty valley
did you die
pseudo swan
nope didn't die
mighty valley
did you time key
pseudo swan
ya
gotcha
get it lol
i'm just trying to find the stats
to indicate whether im pressing my defensives correctly
bleak breach
Nim, with the cape thing do you just accept the damage the wall will do to you? Or how does it work?
pseudo swan
i've opted on some packs to not go shield block / ignore pain
lusty grotto
Nim, with the cape thing do you just accept the damage the wall will do to you? ...
use defensives
lusty grotto
ok so the better metric is what
#protection message this is, read all my replies
mighty valley
the best thing you can do is share logs, especially as you get into keys that actually threaten you
lusty grotto
or that yes
pseudo swan
gotcha
lusty grotto
we can probably sort it out relatively fast
mighty valley
i've opted on some packs to not go shield block / ignore pain
always press shield block lol, it's so cheap for the damage reduced, and also increases ss damage
bleak breach
Yeah, never lose shield block
lusty grotto
Sokraxx im not 100% if our tanks are doing in mythic, but they certainly do it in heroic reclears
mighty valley
also like, in most situations there's no way you can get away with not pressing IP without overcapping
and overcapping = bad
lusty grotto
i can check
bleak breach
Absolutely you do
lusty grotto
not if your count exceeds 7
karmic plinth
its not more important than having SB up
lusty grotto
6 targets, sure you can do it
pseudo swan
right if big pack just do mix of claps / SS / revenge (?)
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
its not more important than having SB up
also this
pseudo swan
yep ok makes sense
lusty grotto
SB is your most important thing to keep up BY FAR
bleak breach
Sokraxx im not 100% if our tanks are doing in mythic, but they certainly do it i...
I’ll give it a go this week, from memory wall doesnt one shot me anyway. So I’m sure with SR and SW I’ll be chillin
lusty grotto
there's nothing else that comes close
pseudo swan
gotcha
does shield block stack its timer towards the end
like those dots / bleed classes
mighty valley
the sb max timer is huge
pseudo swan
like it says 8 seconds
mighty valley
it's more than double a single sb duration
pseudo swan
so at like 3 seconds left
karmic plinth
stacks up to 3x it's duration
pseudo swan
if i press it again
does it go to 11?
oh i see
so i don't have to wait for it to "almost" fall off
to reapply
mighty valley
correct, you don't have to obsess over it
karmic plinth
as long as you have 15 seconds or less on the buff you are fine to press it
mighty valley
the most important thing is to make sure the cooldown's always rolling
pseudo swan
right right
mighty valley
the second most important thing is not to press it right before you're gonna be out of combat
pseudo swan
when you guys are gathering your mobs do you have a shield block rolling
like save some rage
at the end of a pack
charge into a pack, siheld block
leap
heroic throw or w/e
other charge
shield wall
toxic pewter
3 shield blocks + bolster. Max amount 39 sec but pretty much impossible to reach 39
pseudo swan
thudnerouss / demoralizing shout
mighty valley
basically, if you're taking more than a melee or two while gathering, you should get sb up
grim pilot
mighty valley
there are some pulls where you're out of range basically the whole time? and it's ok there?
pseudo swan
the thing i kind of struggle with
is like
sometimes i gather everything
and then they're still somewhat loosely spread
i know disrupting shout helps
wiht some of the casters
but it just is a little awkward
mighty valley
that's a little bit context, a little bit interrupting as you go, and a little bit hoping your group helps you out with interrupts like at all
also death knight
helps
lusty grotto
no
heady basin
defensive vs battle stance generates same agro right?
lusty grotto
do not
karmic plinth
sit in d stance
lusty grotto
just stay in def stance
lusty grotto
because in DF def stance had a damage penalty
lusty grotto
and because Blizzard wanted to make it a thing again in DF when they introduced talents again
karmic plinth
in theory for raid content u can go b stance when you arent tanking
pseudo swan
like use def to have more utility to gather things together and CC
and then swap to offensive stance or w/e
karmic plinth
for a miniscule amount of dps gain
pseudo swan
to do big dam
lusty grotto
like use def to have more utility to gather things together and CC
no
play classic for that
lament osprey
3% crit, go big or go home
lusty grotto
we're not stance lovers here
pseudo swan
conceptually it sounded cool
lament osprey
Let the healers parse on you
pseudo swan
guess in practice it sucks
raw panther
I've noticed I have pink hps parses in dungeons, but is that a good thing, or am I messing up something? I'm doing 13-14s right now, and sb uptime is about 78-85%
Healing so much makes me think that I'm not mitigating enough
Or could it be because I'm playing battle stance? I can see it's not worth it apparently
karmic plinth
link log
lusty grotto
your HPS does not matter as a warrior
lusty grotto
yes play DF
and then we will 100% be on battle stance
with me backing it
as i did
but this aint DF
urban portal
ty for using blocked hit instead of blocked damage
raw panther
I didn't even know you could block those
lusty grotto
the first one is melee
raw panther
Can you also block streets miniboss kick and psf first miniboss knockback?
urban portal
why would i use anything else
there are frequent visitors here that still tell people to use blocked damage
raw panther
Am I not supposed to?
raw panther
Most of the time I'm spamming to keep it up, but I guess getting my blocked hits higher will help with that
karmic plinth
sense in halls vs you in halls on casts
lusty grotto
but yeah the blocking will help a lot
raw panther
But you are supposed to always have ip up, right?
lusty grotto
reddit is notorious for having non warriors comment on shit, because IP results in healing meters they think its something you need to prioritize
so healers are like "OH IP YES DO THAT"
but that's not the case at all
they think warrior's defensiveness comes solely due to it, it doesnt
hence, stop looking at HPS
raw panther
Then do I just use revenge whenever I'm about to cap rage?
lusty grotto
you will press IP, as a rage dump
revenge is a gcd
IP isnt
can you wait a gcd to not cap?
vocal roost
So we never revenge?
lusty grotto
we do
but not due to that reason
and as a very low prio as thane
are both SS and TC/TB on cd? then you press it
vocal roost
I assume pressing shield slam is super high prio to try and proc a thunderblast?
lusty grotto
is deep wounds missing? then you press it
any other case you dont
TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Exe yes
waxen cradle
Still a member of the no H trinket club, 3 more runs today 
Wonder if blizzard will accept a slightly aged/weathered/and battered soul in exchange
paper crypt
Is 21,300 versatility too much if I'm hitting 30% haste?
lusty grotto
Is 21,300 versatility too much if I'm hitting 30% haste?
whatever the sim suggest
karmic plinth
sim t osee if u get more from other stats
paper crypt
I currently have 16% crit
paper crypt
Ok thanks
lusty grotto
it'll suggest crit for everything
karmic plinth
our stats dont really matter outside of haste so just follow the sim
inland garnet
Saw Spellbreaker pop up in Details, like 2+% self-healing 
11 priory if it matters
lusty grotto
it doesnt
we already knew it was dogshit
the second it got announced, and then buffed
inland garnet
the sad thing is, it's not even tuned properly
lusty grotto
it was a dead talent way before it came to live servers
you do not want to rely on RNG for mit
ever
inland garnet
yeah, agreed
but it would have been useful if it did something; it works regardless of stance
karmic plinth
i think they missed out not making it an on use magic immunity on a choice node with bsv
lusty grotto
but it would have been useful if it did something; it works regardless of stance
so does everything
except FttF
azure crag
in most trash packs in dungeons, should I just target the guy with the fattest health bar?
lusty grotto
i think they missed out not making it an on use magic immunity on a choice node ...
no, their intention was to make spellblock crit blocks an independent talent, and they failed because that's not a good reason for it to be a talent on its own
azure crag
I normally just sorta let auto aim handle everything unless I need to interrupt
never gave it much thought
inland garnet
Yeah, was comparing the Spellshitter with FttF; only plus it works in Battle s
karmic plinth
no, their intention was to make spellblock crit blocks an independent talent, an...
terrible
lusty grotto
in most trash packs in dungeons, should I just target the guy with the fattest h...
you target what hits you hardest, so that you stack punish
and learn to focus kick
minor lark
have the DISC nerfs hit yet? Finally got a damn belt for full hero/myth gear
inland garnet
what's wrong with being able to crit block spells? why wouldn't have been a good talent
lusty grotto
no, but you replace it anyway when sims tell you
karmic plinth
what's wrong with being able to crit block spells? why wouldn't have been a good...
you have no control over being able to do it
minor lark
no, but you replace it anyway when sims tell you
True, was more told by guildies nerf hit, but then someone else said it wasnt
Just checkin
azure crag
you target what hits you hardest, so that you stack punish
Hmm...fair enough.
inland garnet
would have been happy if we were able to use the shield against spells somehow
lusty grotto
thats not the reason we picked spell block to begin with
inland garnet
just like paladins can
lusty grotto
it was just a nice bonus
a very nice one
it just doesnt fucking work on its own
kinda feels like you didnt play when we had spell block?
as in the entirety of DF and s1/s2 of this exp?
inland garnet
I did play some of the seasons, Spell Block was great
but it is now gone and besides the performance also the class fantasy is not complete
the shield is what defines the spec more or less
but it's now useless against spells
lusty grotto
we still have SR
i dont really give a shit about class fantasy tbh
and we posted against removing spell block in the PTR phase
it is what it is
inland garnet
yeah. I remember reading the blue answer
trash class developers
and I mean it, rarely comment on other people's jobs but these guys are trash
icy haven
Does anyone have a moment to critique my log (thread below), i havent really felt like anythings wrong but now im starting to push since gears capped and have no clue if im making huge mistakes. Thanks in advance
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1415417032983187628
azure crag
I like class fantasy when it isn't being used as an excuse to gut cool abilities
Like being an unkillable wall of metal and muscle stomping the ground so hard, you cause shockwaves and call down lightning is awesome.
Stripping abilities out of the tree because they don't "fit the fantasy of the class" feels....less awesome. But there's very few cases of that I can think of.
The only one that really comes to mind is when they absolutely gut demonology in order to make demon hunters
I imagine if they ever add necromancers, they'd have to gut death knights in a similar fashion, which is probably why they haven't added them yet
I remember when blood dks started legion out with literally no damage mitigation because blizzard was leaning hard into their fantasy of being the tank that heals back damage, not reduces it.
And that super didn't work at all.
elder thorn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VqkdYKmJPWbvC3Gp?fight=16&type=damage-done&source=5
How is this guy's average cast so much higher than mine? We have the save ilvl gear/str???
lusty grotto
ok have you looked at how many SS he casted?
in comparison with you?
SS procs TB
execute does not
elder thorn
Mine's on the left
lusty grotto
that should answer your question
elder thorn
I've got more
lusty grotto
no, yours is on the right
elder thorn
No mine's on the left
lusty grotto
thats totally inverted from what you posted first
ok i see what you mean
he has 209 casts
elder thorn
yeah my bad
lusty grotto
vs 244 of yours
that can only mean one thing
hes using outburst on it
which you should be doing in 2+ targets
elder thorn
You're right:
lusty grotto
also seismic reverb does a lot there
only outburst SS if youre straight up in ST
if youre not in straight ST, you send on TB
and you should def see that kind of number, provided RNG favors you
elder thorn
Even when we don't have outburst up, all his thunder blasts do way more though.
I miss colossus
elder thorn
yep
lusty grotto
remember ecodome has damage amps
on 2 bosses
and on pactspeakers
same track weapons?
he has a myth maxed weapon
lusty grotto
ok
elder thorn
mine's the crafted one
lusty grotto
thats a bit of a dps loss in comparison
weapon damage is a big deal for damage on all melee abilities (and hunters i think)
might be another small part factoring in
elder thorn
He also sent execute 133 times, and i only did it 33 times
lusty grotto
cd usage is also a big deal but i cant compare if i dont have your log
lusty grotto
He also sent execute 133 times, and i only did it 33 times
yeah hes SD
elder thorn
wait shit this is wrong one
i'm a fucking idiot i was looking at streets
im sorry lmao
lusty grotto
lol no worries it happens
his spec is aids
you should be able to outdps him easily with the weekly build
light vortex
whats the weekly build? 🙂
lusty grotto
go to wowhead
its in our guides
this guy is not someone you want to compare against
hes running BSV on a fucking 10
without shield spec
without armor spec
with SD, and no Massacre/RRR
elder thorn
what's BSV
elder thorn
ahh yeah
lusty grotto
dont compare against this guy
compare against Sense
look up his logs Sense Tichondrius
proper pollen
what do yall think is better vault take, Hero Ceaseless Ire or Myth Pacemaker
lusty grotto
damage for damage it can either be higher or lower (depending on gear), but skill use will be correct on Sense's part, as will talents
lusty grotto
what do yall think is better vault take, Hero Ceaseless Ire or Myth Pacemaker
pace
or go here #protection message
brand you can farm weekly, myth pacemaker you cant
proper pollen
they will add dinar soon tho no?
lusty grotto
soon? lol
proper pollen
4 weeks or am i tripping
lusty grotto
uhh youre tripping
also
you really want to spend one of your 3 dinars on something you just can pick right now?
thats a dinar saved
hardy snow
in ptr dev notes they said dinars will be available later in the patch
proper pollen
I forgot to add im asking for m+ not raid
lusty grotto
makes no difference
proper pollen
tome is kinda bad in m+ tho no?
lusty grotto
no
its pretty great for prio damage and bosses
youre not constantly on aoe in keys
proper pollen
was watching yoda/quaz talk about it
proper pollen
fair
hardy snow
was watching yoda/quaz talk about it
Quaz is the last ytuber that you should look for in terms of classes/gear guides
and no.1 for UI I guess
hardy snow
lol what you got against quaz
his class guides contains erros and gives people bad info
and he deletes comments pointing out these errors
proper pollen
good to know
hardy snow
it was in like S1 I think, perhaps he got better by now
hardy snow
but why looking at YT, when we have good wowhead/icyveins guides 
elder thorn
i really only watch his videos for quick dungeon guides
proper pollen
what do you mean by this?
kira was saying on stream that the uptime in damage amp of tome is really bad
warm plinth
The uptime of the doubled damage amp is not very good (~15%). The uptime of the damage/crit buff is very high (75-80%).
hardy snow
im usimg pacemaker instead of tome in dungeons only because im too lazy to pay attention to stacks 🤷♂️
round pendant
I just made a weakaura that tells me to press it
lusty grotto
im usimg pacemaker instead of tome in dungeons only because im too lazy to pay a...
thats totally fine though
acoustic hearth
What affects our block value? ik mastery gives us more block chance and critical block chance but what stat determines the dr% for each block
wary gyro
block rating which comes from shields
acoustic hearth
I see
so being that i have a 720 crafted shield i shouldnt expect my block value to go up by much
full mist
Yes, it won’t go up by much but I believe strength also increases your block rating by a bit
acoustic hearth
i see
im still only 696 without 4 set but
stragnly pwars hp bar seems alot more stable than my 713 vdh's
lusty grotto
Yes, it won’t go up by much but I believe strength also increases your block rat...
thats not accurate
its only affected by shield, shield ilvl and shield specialization
lusty grotto
stragnly pwars hp bar seems alot more stable than my 713 vdh's
that should be the case if you maintain SB
but thats completely fine, on VDH you rely on frailty/spikes and shear healing
acoustic hearth
Also does the passive proc ravager generate rage like the on use ?
lusty grotto
yes
acoustic hearth
but thats completely fine, on VDH you rely on frailty/spikes and shear healing
yeah
just did a hoa 15 on vdh and fuck ms
lusty grotto
yeah thats kind of rough if you dont have lucky parries
acoustic hearth
Pushing higher is turning my hp into a blood dks XD
acoustic hearth
yeah thats kind of rough if you dont have lucky parries
its legit a "dedicate meta+fel dev+ brand" angle to live that triple reaver pull
lusty grotto
another case for Crit over Versa
acoustic hearth
yarp
though im hitting a point of maybe i do want more than 7% vers
however thanks for answering my warrior questions. Its gonna be my alt tank/ maybe main???? depending on how rough pushing for title is on vdh
lusty grotto
best of luck
acoustic hearth
sorry one last question. Ik avatar and demo shout are ftmp send on cd. maintain shield block+ IP and shield wall is my main tank buster counter mixed with swaping stances for more dps/ dr however
lusty grotto
dont maintain ip
acoustic hearth
I assume im just throwing last stand in the mix as a buffer
lusty grotto
use ip at 70 rage or more, thats it
its not a maintain thing
at least until higher keys, or when damage is too much
you will maintain it with proper play
full mist
thats not accurate
Did they change that in TWW?
acoustic hearth
at least until higher keys, or when damage is too much
whats "higher keys"
lusty grotto
when you feel damage is too big
acoustic hearth
bc im currently doing 10-12s
lusty grotto
i cant tell you an exact number
acoustic hearth
which is like mediums ig but im like 20 ilvl behind + missing 4 set
thats fair
what else do we spend rage on then?
revenge to reset shield slams?
lusty grotto
Did they change that in TWW?
afaik pre-DF
all i can tell you is that if you dont skip jumpstarters
in flood
at 15+
you will probably need to use it more than the usual
lusty grotto
revenge to reset shield slams?
only if TC/TB and SS are down
or on cd, rather
and on execute on high prio targets, or on 6 targets or less
with execute cleave, which you should be playing
aka the weekly build from wowhead
acoustic hearth
assume thats just more dps
lusty grotto
its all you need
acoustic hearth
but can move those execute mod talents int omore defensive nots
lusty grotto
anything more than that for 10-12 means nothing
even at 15 that build is solid
no
acoustic hearth
gotcha il try to execute more
lusty grotto
make sure youre running that build
absolutely zero reason to move out of execute talents up to... idk 16s or 17s
acoustic hearth
yeah, i was using kiras talents a bit ik he is in +19s and 20s now but he was running free execute on proc without the other execute talents and had more defensive stuff like cheat
lusty grotto
just to give a number, because its possibly not needed
yeah sorry we dont recommend kira's builds
or yoda's
sick sentinel
Anyone have a WA that tracks rage spent for Violent outburst?
lusty grotto
but entirely up to you if you wanna run them
not speccing shield specialization is bad
so we cant really recommend them
acoustic hearth
some of the builds takeshield spec
acoustic hearth
thats fair
lusty grotto
like ive said before this is a prot warrior channel, not a streamer channel
acoustic hearth
doesnt shield spec lose value during shield block?
lusty grotto
no
acoustic hearth
like ive said before this is a prot warrior channel, not a streamer channel
no ur good im just cross referencing what ive seen
acoustic hearth
does the block chance not get turned to block value during SB?