protection

[frosty mango]

I think the trick is I need to gray parse and die 10’seconds into the fight as dps

Then surely I’ll roll a 100

[dusky canopy]

This is the way

[hardy snow]

Blizz anounced nerfs for belt in next patch

[marsh elm]

This just an average night pug experience

[carmine topaz]

ah right, for some reason I thought it'd be with the reset

[warm plinth]

Should've been tbh

[carmine topaz]

yeah its not fun having a dead slot

[lunar flare]

Could someone remind me what amount of haste I should have before swapping out Into The Fray with Heavy Repercussions? I have 23.5k atm

[solid sun]

You’re good

You can swap at 21k

Just take into consideration that you’ll have some gaps

[lunar flare]

No u

[arctic gust]

yo is antenna even in m+ better than pacemaker? 🙂

[lunar flare]

But thanks

I'll play around with both and see which one "feels" better

[solid sun]

I still use HR at 22k

[hardy snow]

I was using itf below 19k

[solid sun]

I consider it me being honest about my skill 😂

[hardy snow]

Its more fun with itf

[frosty mango]

Better? No

Well technically yes but functionally imo they’re about the same

Pace is more predictable

[wide scaffold]

Forgive my ignorance, but is there a way to sim gear as a protaction warrior?

[frosty mango]

Same as you do for a dps spec

Simc supports prot war

[wide scaffold]

Thanks

[half jewel]

I need someone to review my boss logs, I know I am wasting some rage but I am not sure exactly what else I am doing wrong.

[round pendant]

hell yeah myth gloves in my vault

I am now a 4p gamer finally

90+ dungeons in tho, still no boots

[half jewel]

grats

[lunar flare]

How do you feel

[vale escarp]

Crit heavy shild should be better for the long run or should i take the mastery heavy shild?

[round pendant]

10% better

[lunar flare]

That's 10 more than 0!

[round pendant]

sim but I'd go crit personally

[frosty mango]

Put them in #1347646810457636974

[half jewel]

shit I didn't even see that channel

[vale escarp]

only problem, now I need to recraft my weapon for an embellishment since I lose my crafted shield

[dusky canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965371616269848578/1412494540849414258/image.png?ex=68b87f8d&is=68b72e0d&hm=5d270068a12d1c4021dc742da1c0de96ac84e7d8869e05d6bfa87212f0934f29&

@lusty grotto gm my good friend!

[waxen cradle]

what ya think guys already have 4 set so heroic shoulders are out, the delve options ignore

[vale escarp]

whats the strongest weapon embellishment?

[jagged pier]

u have myth shoulders right there

[waxen cradle]

rings are sadly champion so its between the ring, the trinket or using catalyst to create M shoulders

[round pendant]

I definitely wouldn't pick the ring over myth shoulders

I'd take myth shoulders since that locks in the slot for the rest of the expac

but you can sim it vs trinket

depends on your current trinkies

[round pendant]

back to 0, my rogue and priest got slop

[waxen cradle]

yeah have pacemaker, and champion tome hunting the ever elusive heroic one from M+ or the dream of a M one from vault

[solid sun]

37% during the last phase was the best the squad could do with Saladbar last night

At least we can kill the titans consistently now I guess

[round pendant]

just get the drop

[waxen cradle]

@round pendant oh definitely trying 25 runs and no heroic trinket drop yet

[round pendant]

I've only seen one drop

and I got it tehe

[waxen cradle]

lol nice 😄

[round pendant]

Just give me the damn boots

I saw what you said

[undone beacon]

Good morning prot warriors

[solid sun]

Hi

[waxen cradle]

@round pendant What I mean is Blizzard sees possibility and probability like this... will they probably drop if you run the same thing until your eyes bleed yes... of course they will. However is it possible if your luck is shit that you may never get the drop you want... oh definitely

I have come to the conclusion that Blizzards stance of... * we want it to feel really special when you finally get that "special" drop you want" is complete BS

[mint mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285642371807313941/1415240829278097449/image.png?ex=68c27d3b&is=68c12bbb&hm=f4fd4b9524cc52bb505a1948d702b00d9614c71bab96699cc191414642bfc757&

[lunar flower]

i'm at 43 🥴

[solid sun]

I just play the game

[mint mantle]

Tome with speed teritary 🥹

[waxen cradle]

@lunar flower keep grinding along brother I feel your pain

[fallen marlin]

Are first 2 bosses on mythic easy with pugs 😅

[solid sun]

If you’re asking if they’re possible, yes

If you’re asking if you’ll have a high success rate, hard to say

Doubt?

[neon elk]

Also it might not be easiest task to get into them , or at least to some decent ones

[solid sun]

But apparently if the group can kill the first boss they can def kill the canister boss

[fallen marlin]

I just hate raiding but i need to do it coz there is 2 bis trinkets there 😭

[solid sun]

Need is such an interesting word

[jagged pier]

well your not getting to ire through a pug

and there are suitable m+ trinkets

to repalce with

[fallen marlin]

"Need" hope to get it

[neon elk]

Also antena is from loomi which is 3rd in pugs

[jagged pier]

which u get in vault

because u kill the 3rd boss

[fallen marlin]

Yep

[jagged pier]

which unlocks loom loot

[undone beacon]

Yeah Plexus + Soulbinder = Loom in vault

is giga

[waxen cradle]

I have yet to seen the Brand drop more than once in normal or heroic since the raid opened

[solid sun]

You would have an easier time running heroic and heroic pugs pretty easily go 6/8

Heroic brand is quite strong

[undone beacon]

Guys unrelated to prot warrior but I need a good second pet to go with my surv hunter

[solid sun]

Mouse from the cavern last expansion

[undone beacon]

oooo thats a good one

I wish worms werent exotic

[solid sun]

True

[pine lotus]

Why don't a lot of the high key pusher p-wars take this? is it just not that much dmg reduction?

[jagged pier]

it is a lot of damage reduction

so we dont know

its about ~160k dps per second extra damage u take in higher keys

from the looks of it, its just they are going unga bunga dps talents while still having BSV

but i was doing simming earlier and the bigger the pull the less of a gap there is in dps between the builds

so

preference i guess

[bleak scaffold]

They have good healers maybe ? :x

[undone beacon]

Execute only cleaves to two other targets after all

[jagged pier]

nah but it was simming between EA and SS

because thats the swap really, + simming with whirling blade and not massacre

at 7 targets EA is ahead by like 100k at 10 targets it drops down too like 12k 13k maybe from memory

i could just scroll up i guess

its a trade off really do u want to do marginal more damage to take a fair amount more of visa versa

[round pendant]

yknow what I'd like?

Being able to spend vault tokens on a token that applies a tertiary stat to an item

might be a bit op

[solid sun]

I just want everyone to be happy

[mellow yoke]

short answer is, they can survive without it

at some point they wont be able to survive without it ig

[waxen cradle]

normal happy like happy in life and happy in games as they play and enjoy them ? or clown happy because clowns are too happy and evil

[plush tendon]

EX: Eco 19 Kira ran no Shield Spec, Eco 20 Kira ran Shield Spec

but we arent Kira, so better to just play with it

these guys have probably already ran these dungeons dozens of times each

[mellow yoke]

It's catering to your personal needs, can you survive without it, without being on the verge of death at any pull? Don't run it. If you can not, run it

[spark spire]

Guys what is better Myth track Tome of lights devotion or Myth track astral antenna?

[jagged pier]

what do mean augusto but they are the best, so why would thier talents not be the best

[plush tendon]

they are just comfortable with the dungeon to a very high degree

that they can sacrifice def for damage

like, dropping Shield Spec for a execute talent is more damage (how much, idk)... but the trade off doesnt make sense for normal Joe Schmoe

[digital salmon]

The whole point of a talent tree is to have different builds for specific scenarios

[jagged pier]

the thing is they arent setup for that

blizz literally cant make them like that

[plush tendon]

or maybe they are experimenting

[digital salmon]

If they’re running something it doesn’t mean it’s good for you

[plush tendon]

and we are taking their experiments as 'omg! new build :O'

[mellow yoke]

doesn't mean it's bad for you either

[bleak scaffold]

I was wondering about SS over BSV and I am testing BSV at the moment from SS initially. I did not get into much digging on comparing digits yet so it's much of a feeling. I feel the difference in damage reduction is not that big and does not really impact the overall survivability. BSV does not help with overall survivability in any way we can agree on this, but really helps when it gets BAD. Where SS does not really help. Again no numbers behind it so maybe my heal just lost 5k in sweating healing me 😄

[plush tendon]

whem in reality they are just testing things out

[jagged pier]

thing is with SS, your less likely to get into a BAD place

[mellow yoke]

In high keys BSV is pretty much mandatory

[solid sun]

Nome is just such a significantly better pwar than any of these people

So just do what he says

[digital salmon]

I play the build that makes me survive the longest after my pug healer and dps dies to get my shitty vault slot

[solid sun]

Ez pz

[jagged pier]

well that will be wowhead push keys

[bleak scaffold]

I'm running 10-11 right now, too much pugging (in the bad way), people yelling at me because i'm not running their favorite routes, and they die on base mecanics on boss ...

[pine lotus]

im kinda surprised we dont take indom, the health increase/healing one, it seems so good for self sustain

[jagged pier]

because it does nothing

[plush tendon]

Indom been nerfed quite a bit

its just not as good as it was

[jagged pier]

like it got shot in tthe head

[plush tendon]

and it competes with a lot of great talents at the bottom

[lean furnace]

if I have a wrist and shield with embellishments on them, should the belt I craft also have an embellishment or should I forgo that?

[mellow yoke]

cant have 3 embellishes

[lean furnace]

ah that tracks

[jagged pier]

u drop it on shield because u will replace the shield

[lean furnace]

does that mean I need a guy to recraft my shield?

[bleak scaffold]

Or a girl

[plush tendon]

yea, someone will have to recraft shield

or, you can just craft belt no embellishment for now

and wait till you get mythic shield

[lean furnace]

kk ty all I appreciate the help

yea i'll probs just do the wait

[bleak scaffold]

I wanted to say "Thank you" to all, i'm new on the discord and testing things from your talks to compare and test out what suits me best. I'm also understanding better mecanics. I played from Vanilla to MOP, prot war BC to MOP, for those who played, starting back to TWW was a quite a change 😄 Enjoying the prot war 🙂

[dusky canopy]

[frosty mango]

Prot wars are best

[solid sun]

Welllll

[frosty mango]

We tolerate Druids and sometimes brewmasters but never demon hunters

[solid sun]

We’re definitely something

It’d be better if we had arms

Only having legs is weird

[bleak scaffold]

You forgot the one who you shouldn't be named ...

[frosty mango]

Paladins? We don’t need to sandbag them they do that themselves

[solid sun]

Did you see that dork last night

Coming in here asking why we are good at m+ when Ppal does similar stuff

[fallen marlin]

I didnt know that prot warrs have aoe interupt hahahahahah

I guess i learn somthing new everyday from this group

[solid sun]

It’s amazing what you learn from reading your abilities and talents ;)

[fallen marlin]

Hahahahahah @solid sun tru

[solid sun]

Which is admittedly hard for us

[frosty mango]

I wish they’d separate the taunt from the aoe silence

Just make them two separate skills

[solid sun]

I wish t.clap silenced in an aoe

Thunder is loud and scary

[frosty mango]

Bring back gag order tbh

[bleak scaffold]

Makes sense (the thunder clap being an AOE silence)

[keen star]

more like deafened

thunder clap once and then shouts stop working on them

[frosty mango]

Go back to the dh discord

Stop putting that out into the universe we dont need that juju

[uncut quarry]

Hello my fellow Protection friends 😄 I have a little question, is there a haste cap for us wielders of sword and shield?

[frosty mango]

Yes, but you’ll never get there

Aim for enough to keep shield block up with in the fray talented (21-23k ish) and then just sim your char for best gear

[uncut quarry]

Okay, thanks! 😄

[compact silo]

does "best served cold" buff thunder blast dmg or only TC?

[bleak scaffold]

I don't know, I would try on a dummy and see if the buffs is consumed. Not sure there is an actual buff though, I don't have this talent

[solid sun]

My assumption is that it would work on blast since clap becomes blast

But idk for sure. Don’t take that talent so never had a chance to see

[strong forum]

It does buff thunderblast

All buffs to thunderclap are inherited by thunderblast

(and some more)

[solid sun]

Feels good to assume correctly

Hey Nome are you coming back for a house?

[bleak scaffold]

Since the intel buff is a % and not an intel value it's not easy ...

[pseudo swan]

if i jsut got this from a delve

does that mean no need to prioritize crafting a 720 shield?

i can just boost it to 710 craft a 720 main hand, craft some other stuff?

maybe main hand - - wrist -- belt?

or is shield that impt

to be at 720 vs 710

[remote tusk]

I mean

704 > 710 is 30 Crests.

720 is 60 Crests.

710 > 720 is 45 Crests.

I'd just craft.

[bleak scaffold]

It's usually not worth upgrading Hero to 710 (6/6) because your gilded crest or put to a better use elsewhere, craft/upgrading myth. It depends on the exact situation of course.

[pseudo swan]

i see

[round pendant]

720 is significantly better than 710

[pseudo swan]

got it

[pseudo swan]

gotcha didn't know how it scaled

good to know!

[bleak scaffold]

Would craft a 720 weapon or shield over belt/wrist personally

[round pendant]

save the 30 crests from 704-710 and craft a shield

[pseudo swan]

ok so it sounds like - craft weapon, craft shield (don't upgrade current shield), and then craft bracers

[round pendant]

which saves you 60 crests when you upgrade that myth shield from your vault when that happens

shield before weapon

[pseudo swan]

oh shield before weapon

okie dokes ty ty

[bleak scaffold]

If you currently have such a weak weapon, but usually shield first as Yam said.

[pseudo swan]

got it

and then i know this isn't specific to prot question

but do you guys know in delves, outside of using delver's bounty and getting the 3 11's done for gilded (7 crest per run)

[bleak scaffold]

The block value of the shield is the important part 🙂

[pseudo swan]

i can then just do the 8's bountiful and get champion gear still right?

and no loss in doing 8 over 11?

[pseudo swan]

got it that makes sense!

[bleak scaffold]

Doing Delves 8 makes Hero in Vault, not champ

[pseudo swan]

sorry i meant chest

at end of run

when i use the uhh

restored coffe key

coffer*

[bleak scaffold]

My bad 🙂 https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/delves-rewards From 8 to 11 it's the same rewards in chests and vault yes.

11 is really just for the gilded and flex ..

[compact silo]

is impenetrable wall even good now? i know the go to is defender aegis

[pseudo swan]

ty so much!

[jagged pier]

i am free

[lofty glen]

hmmmmm ire that i have is champ track. what do you think?

[lofty glen]

gz

[jagged pier]

u take a myth tier piece

[dry skiff]

if i am already at 100 rage and the packs is ez AF, at what target count does SS drop below revenge ?

[jagged pier]

there isnt

u just spend into IP

[dry skiff]

yea i dont know why -.-

i've had at least 100 situations where i questioned it in ara kara

i do shield slam anyway even if i dont ignore pain. but i need to know why. it says SS 550k damage. Revenge 300k damage reduced above 5 target. Revenge helps avatar cooldown. i dont need ignore pain, i dont need shield block, why am i doing SS anyway at +20 targets

i need to know so i can move on -.-

[grim pilot]

U can spend rage with ip

More rage spent more avatar

[bleak scaffold]

I feel not .... With Aegis you have 2 Walls with 2min CD, so pretty much Wall every 1 min. See how many slam you can place in 1min to see how much you would get wall CD down from 3minutes with Impenetrable wall, not saying you can do 60 because 1 every second since there is the CD. I did the calculation before and it was kind of close. But if you need 2 wall close and then a long period without there is no comparison.

[grim pilot]

More avatar more damage and shorter tclaps

Also more shieldwalls tho with proper play u barely ever need to use them unless high keys

So generator>spender

[dusky canopy]

Let’s gooooo

[dry skiff]

i see, revenge also reduced avatar cooldown tho right ? are you saying because IP doenst have a global cooldown, it eventually contributes to more damage when i get avatar rdy ?

[grim pilot]

Ip is off gcd

So you can both generate rage and spend it in 1 gcd

[dry skiff]

i need to use the bathroom i shall continue this matter in 10 minutes

[frosty mango]

you need some fiber in your life bro

[zenith ridge]

anyone have suggest ?

[undone beacon]

Also go craft a freakin shield

[zenith ridge]

I play dps in raid so already craft weapon 🙁

[zenith ridge]

Sim for dps is descent for tank ?

[undone beacon]

yes

Typically a dps increase is indicative of a defensive upgrade as well

(exceptions for shields and defensive trinkets)

[zenith ridge]

ok !

Do you know the pattern for sim ? Target duration etc

[cold brook]

Returning player here, and I'd appreciate some advice (non-raiding other than some HC). What I already got:
Tier Shoulders 691 (LFR)
MFO DH Boss Plate Boots 691 (LFR)

What I got as a choice from vault:
Tier Shoulders 707 (Mythic Path)
MFO DH Boss Plate Boots 704 (Heroic Path)

Still have M+ Shoulders in my inventory which I could make a set. I'm not sure whether it's more benefical to take the boots and just transform my M+ Shoulders into set or just to take the Tier Shoulders from the vault.

[dry skiff]

nvm i think i found the answer when i was placed in bewilderment. correct me if i'm wrong but i think Revenge does more damage temporarily but leads to less damage overall since i get to spend fewer rage on my next global, thus longer avatar CD.
but if we needed to pad some smallies, revenge wins the race ?

[dusky canopy]

I’d take shoulders and create a heroic pug every week with no plate users except myself to farm boots

[undone beacon]

If you only tank raid then 1 target 5 mins is fine. If you want a m+ spread, run two sims. A 1 target 3 minute sim and a 5 target 1:30 sim. Both Patchwerk

[mighty valley]

Sure, in a five second fight where nothing matters, revenge would clear faster

But generating rage means you can spend more rage which gives you more avatar and outburst which gives you more rage which etc

Rage generation and spending is a feedback loop which is why we prio our biggest generator

[dry skiff]

you'd be surprised to know the things we pull off to beat our friends in damage meter for fun

4AM to 7AM is true gaming experience

[solid sun]

I don’t get to press revenge all that often tbh

So many slams, claps, blasts

[bleak scaffold]

Beating DPS friends as tank is not fun ! Tanking is a serious matter ! Crushing skulls and slapping ass IS fun !

Beating DPS friends as tank is funier 😄

[dry skiff]

those packs that you end up with 8-9M at the end and trash talking your friend until the next 3 packs is pure dopamine

[wind whale]

is it the equip effect on those boots that makes them bis? for example I could catalyze any myth boots to tier and get the same stats

[dusky canopy]

Oh wait actually this is Prot channel duh,
you just prefer ilvl for boots as Prot

I’m a fury nerd 🤓

[solid sun]

Not for tanks

They have great stats though

But as brew mentioned, we prio ilvl

[wind whale]

makes me feel less bad about taking different myth boots from a vault then haha

[dusky canopy]

Yep that’s a fine choice for tank

[solid sun]

You’re a fine choice for tank

Wrecked

[dusky canopy]

[grizzled iron]

What combination do I use as a warrior for M+? I can upgrade the 691 finger to 704, and it's from the end boss raid.

[mighty valley]

Sim it

Also I don’t think anyone knows the stats on rings just by looking at the icon haha

[solid sun]

They have an amount of stats, that’s for sure

[bleak scaffold]

I'd say the second one is better, the first one with the big stone always get stuck in my shield :/

[plush tendon]

I think those all have haste

[bleak scaffold]

You want to use the combination that gives you the good stats according your overall need ...

[plush tendon]

and either vers or crit

and, tbh, with the cost of gems and settings Id just keep the ones that are already gemmed

costing like 10k per ring to fully gem it these days

[grizzled iron]

ok ty

[solid sun]

I’d sim it

[lunar flare]

Thoughts and prayers during this difficult time

[solid sun]

Because I wanna do my best

[round pendant]

-10 now since you just reminded me

[lunar flare]

Oops

Soz

[undone beacon]

yeah what the hell is up with that. Jewelers settings shot up from like 300 gold a piece to 2.5k

[round pendant]

btw is ff8 your favourite

[lunar flare]

Either that or 9 tbh but 10 is decent too

[undone beacon]

I just dropped like $14k on an alt to get myself gemmed/enchanted and i was like, damn wtf

[lunar flare]

I also wanna be a blitzball

[round pendant]

[lunar flare]

Almost as good as “this guy are sick”

[round pendant]

10 is my favourite but 8's soundtrack is a mastapees

[solid sun]

8 sucks

[round pendant]

You suck

[solid sun]

9 is bis

[plush tendon]

someone bought all the settings

[lunar flare]

Wrong

[plush tendon]

and reset the market

actually insane

Wow economics 101

[lunar flare]

I have 9 signed by Uematsu as well as a photo with him when I saw him in Hyde park

[round pendant]

caught

[lunar flare]

Mems

[round pendant]

somehow I could tell you were a brit

[lunar flare]

Bo’ol o wor’er

What’s your fave track from 8

[solid sun]

None of them

Reminds me of 8

Which sucks

[lunar flare]

It’s ok to be wrong

[solid sun]

:)

[round pendant]

idk, all of em

[lunar flare]

Also a good answer

[round pendant]

literally not a single bad track

everything is perfect

[lunar flare]

8 is great because the junction system is so unbelievably busted

[round pendant]

yeah ff8 is a good game

[lunar flare]

Just junction ultima to strength and it’s GG

[round pendant]

anyone who says it sucks is prob just suffering a severe skill issue ngl

[lunar flare]

Absolutely

Like rhino

[solid sun]

Nah it’s just a truly terrible story

[round pendant]

lmao

[lunar flare]

Brother all the stories in ff are awful lol

[round pendant]

that's wild

[solid sun]

The only thing 8 has going for it is that it isn’t as overhyped as 7 is

[true yoke]

is the antenna myth the best think that i can loot in vault?

[lunar flare]

He hasn’t ascended, it’s fine

Give him time

[solid sun]

Plenty of good stories in FF

[lunar flare]

He probably thinks ff12 is good

[solid sun]

8 just ain’t one of ‘em

[lunar flare]

15 could have had a good story if they hadn’t completely butchered the game

But they’re all some derivative of evil misunderstood person wants to do bad thing to the world, so

[round pendant]

8 isn't a bad story by any means

[lunar flare]

I like it a lot

It’s silly but in a fun way

[grizzled adder]

Good evening, have a question about vault, should i take pants and turn them in to piece or trinket is BIS?

current gear

[prisma nexus]

legs fot cata.

[grizzled adder]

@prisma nexus ty mate

[pseudo swan]

how come we don't use all devouring nucleus?

[prime sphinx]

u can if u think u need it

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto wayat!?

[lunar flare]

Why are you always pinging the poor guy

[solid sun]

They’re best friends

[lunar flare]

We could have been best friends rhino

But you trashed ff8

[deft mortar]

If u see BIS Trinket, snatch it outright, tf

Any leg can become tier

[lunar flare]

And I can’t move on from that

[solid sun]

It deserves it

[chilly brook]

No

[deft mortar]

6% chance to get a given .+ trinket per week off vault

[solid sun]

If 8 had been more like 9 or 10 I wouldn’t have had to do that

[chilly brook]

701 trinket is not worth it

Over myth items

[lunar flare]

I hope you never become double sheriff now

There I said it

[deft mortar]

Ah assumed all Myth track

[chilly brook]

The trinket isn’t rare, and there aren’t that many tanks

[solid sun]

It isn’t my fault. It’s whoever wrote the story

[lunar flare]

Leave John Squaresoft alone!!!

[chilly brook]

I have no feelings in ff8, never played it

But I have been considering buying all the old FF games and playing through them on my Switch 2

[lunar flare]

Do it

[vocal lintel]

Is antenna an actually decent trinket? Have that vs a mastery/vers ring in vault. Replace hero track warpclaw with myth antenna or haste/crit hero ring myth mastery/vers ring.

[solid sun]

I suggest playing 1-7 and then 9 onward

:)

[lunar flare]

Ignore him

Why would you trust him, he has no opposable thumbs so couldn’t junction anything

He’s biased

[solid sun]

I don’t really care about the systems

For any of them

[mellow yoke]

Antenna is insanely good

and warpclaw

quite bad

[solid sun]

I’m just there for the stories

[mellow yoke]

so it would be a very good upgrade

[vocal lintel]

Cool, gonna take trinket then. Thx for input.

[solid sun]

I absolutely detest time travel almost every time. I think the supporting characters might as well not exist. Certain plot points were handled poorly. It acts like it doesn’t know what it wants the story to be. Etc

[lunar flare]

You’re allowed to feel that way

Thank you for sharing

[solid sun]

You’re welcome

[kind urchin]

I know a very large number of people's favorite FF is 7 but mine is 9.

[solid sun]

9 is also my favorite

[lunar flare]

9 is great

Vivi is the goat

[solid sun]

14 also has some good stories

[lunar flare]

I never vibed with the characters in 14 honestly

But everyone else seems to enjoy it a lot so

That midget with the monocle

His voice

UGH

[solid sun]

The beginning is iffy

To me

Some of the expansions are great though

[bronze wraith]

How good is brand of ceaseless ire?

I have a 691 ire and a 710 soulbinder and I am not sure which one to use

[solid sun]

Brand is quite good.

[nocturne spindle]

Step one

[solid sun]

You can always sim items to see which one will perform better

[nocturne spindle]

Throw soulbinder in the trash

[solid sun]

When simming brand you should set the sim for 5 minutes

[nocturne spindle]

Soulbinder is the stinky defensive one

[solid sun]

I’ve seen a lot more people lately mention they don’t trust wowhead or sims

More than usual. I wonder if something happened or maybe a post or something that gained traction I’m just not aware of

[dusky canopy]

It’s because the zoomer crowd consumes twitch content like a ||tweaker consumes drugs|| so yoda exists and nomes guide conflicts with what yoda suggests

Nim loves Yodas content btw

[solid sun]

Would you say Nim is Yoda’s number 1 fan

[kind urchin]

Soul Binder is like 1 cast of ignore pain. Such a waste of a slot. You may as well just not wear a trinket.

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[azure crag]

wait, so into the fray isn't just a flat 8% haste?

at full stacks, I got 10.79%

[nocturne spindle]

It's a 1.08 multiplier

So at 100% haste (aka no rating)

It's 8%

With rating it's whatever the math is

But more than 8%

[mighty valley]

yeah i slogged through 300 hours to reach emet selch expansion

but it was worth it

[azure crag]

Huh....that's weird.
But neat

[solid sun]

Heck yeah, Harrow

I think the dragon expansion story is good, too

[mighty valley]

Yeah it was decent

Big step up from everything before at the very least

[solid sun]

Yeah

[azure crag]

The story toward the end of ARR is what hooked me and kept me going

the part where ||You get framed for murder and have to flee the country||

[bronze wraith]

Has anyone had luck with the stam delve trinket? It feels very scarab lordy. It is like 30% of my hps meter over ignore pain

I have those 3, but ire and soulbinder are the ones I am switching around

[solid sun]

I don’t use any defensive trinkets

Or Stam trinkets

So I am of no use to you

:(

[lunar flare]

You’re always useful to me xo

[solid sun]

I do what I can

[mighty valley]

even after the mean shit he said about ff8?

[solid sun]

It wasn’t mean

It was just honest

Both of them went after me. I kept my commentary about 8

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

[mighty valley]

i agree with both of you

the junction system IS fun to break in half

the story IS kinda ass

[solid sun]

Harrow is a professional writer

They know stories

[lunar flare]

If I went after everyone who disagreed with me, I’d be a very angry man

[mighty valley]

now I'm gonna tell you 7 is my favorite and you're gonna tell me it's overrated

[solid sun]

I do think it is overrated, but I also think the story is pretty good

Even though it has some weirdly creepy parts?

[lunar flare]

The honeybee inn is a little off

Product of its time I guess

[mighty valley]

yeah I thought they did a good job updating it in the remake

took some of the ick out

[solid sun]

But the one part

Still gets you in the heart strings

Product of a well made story imo

Well, the one part towards the beginning

[chilly brook]

FFXIV story was amazing

LOVED it

then Wuk happened

[frosty mango]

I mean

All things considered dawntrail isn’t bad

It’s just bad compared to the rest of ff14

Xenogears had one of the greatest rpg stories ever told it’s just 80% of the people who played it didn’t understand most of it

[sharp gale]

Can’t be worst than ARR story

[frosty mango]

Arr had a great story most of it was just locked in the raids lol

[sharp gale]

But arr is the insufferable wall

[frosty mango]

Gameplay is yea

Better than legacy lol

I was a 1.0 Andy

Got my big ol choochaboo and tattoo to prove it

[mighty valley]

https://tenor.com/view/nightmare-yoship-ffxiv-gif-18298972

[sharp gale]

• You have to play so much to puzzle together the lore

[frosty mango]

I dunno I’m always torn at the FFXIV forced story vs the wow style gameplay focus

[idle copper]

anyone know if the MDT app has been updated to reflect the new %s in Halls?

[mighty valley]

I would never have gotten through arr myself, I had a friend telling me "ok here's the parts where you should read, here's the parts where you're fine to mash through and pay no attention"

[frosty mango]

Part of me thinks forcing story on the player is awful, part of me understands that the game is really a story more than a game

I’m on the fence

[sharp gale]

Both are goated game, I wouldn’t recommend FF to someone who don’t like to read, as I wouldn’t recommend wow to someone interested in story

[frosty mango]

I mean the ff14 story really does get great towards the end of heavensward

And I think it will be great again after dawntrail

[solid sun]

Needs some kind of abridged version imo

[frosty mango]

The whole late expansion reboot really hurt them tho

[sharp gale]

When you reach the wind god I don’t remember the name, the story ramps up yep

And end heavenward is all high until the cash in until endwalker

[solid sun]

Heavensward has the bridge

Where you fight the big dragon

That was cash money

Shadowlands was good

Endlands was also good

I actually liked the samurai one too but apparently a lot of people didn’t

[sharp gale]

I expected dawntrail to be bad, they can’t just do better than endwalker, from scratch

[kind urchin]

I think a game that didn't get enough credit was SWTOR. Had a pretty good story. Gameplay was solid and every character was voice acted.

[sharp gale]

The slow at the dragon folk portion is something I heard ppl complain

[solid sun]

I think SWTOR gets more credit now than it did before

But Star Wars is hard because nobody loved to hate Star Wars more than Star Wars fans

It’s kinda crazy

[mighty valley]

i can't take star wars discourse any more

these days my relationship with star wars is "andor was a good show"

[solid sun]

Lmao

So true bestie

Andor is good

Also the Star Wars section at Disney world is neat

Or universal? Wherever it is

They make it fun for the kids for sure

[mighty valley]

Disney yeah

[lunar flare]

Imagine a theme park being fun for kids and not Disney adults

[solid sun]

lol

[dusky canopy]

[solid sun]

The little videos where they show the kids having a blast with the storm troopers make me smile

[full estuary]

Hey guys i need a quick help with my vault.
I got the trinket of floodgate and a myth-chest in it
I already have the trinket on hero track and a hero crit-haste-chest
what is the better option to take?

[mighty valley]

I would take the trinket since there are many other myth chests

But up to you

[pseudo swan]

shield block, shield wall, and ignore pain --> after a dungeon, what should i be aiming for in terms of uptime %?

that way i know if i'm just not pressing something enough

[bleak scaffold]

Shield Block 100%, only situation when it can be not up is when you are not fighting ...

[mighty valley]

there's no real good way to analyze these on details uptime. ideally you log and check if blocked hits is >90%

[bleak scaffold]

IP should be close by, if you play Thane rage shouldn't be an issue to spend on it

[mighty valley]

IP uptime varies tons based on dungeon and key level, not super relevant to obsess over

[mellow yoke]

Maybe run

1st 2 bosses on mythic

I think there is myth chest there

[undone beacon]

Likely trinket, but as always . First boss of raid drops a chest as well

[solid sun]

When we pop balloons during Saladbar

Is there any specific trick to it or just stand where the line is pointed at the spiky bubble

[undone beacon]

point the starkiller swing at a dark star

star go boom

If you're doing them as inner - outer then pop the inner ones first

[solid sun]

This is H so idk if the Strat changes

But we were sending them all to the outer ring

Are we engaging in some buffoonery

[pseudo swan]

oh that's good to know

[pseudo swan]

understood ty

[undone beacon]

We staggered them, sent the first three far to the north of the room and the second three south closer to the middle

[sterile orbit]

love the new halls change w blizzard feels so much better to run

[undone beacon]

Helped a lot with making sure they didnt have weird overlaps

[solid sun]

Do you have to pop them in order

First three first and second three second

[undone beacon]

No

[wide scaffold]

Quick question: hero Cabochon neck or mythic Ornately neck?

[mighty valley]

sim it

[sudden lynx]

Man I dont really get it

Why is tome S-tier on wowhead?

It seems to always sim lower in aoe

Is it purely for prio/single target

[solid sun]

Yes

[cedar egret]

cuz it's good in st from what i've read

[undone beacon]

Its a very strong ST/Prio trinket, and even in keys Bosses/Prio targets tend to be the main chokepoint for pushing rather than AoE damage

[solid sun]

It doesn’t look pretty

But it saves time

[sudden lynx]

This is true

[mighty valley]

it's also why prot warrior is still doing ok in higher key pick rates despite not being that ahead in aoe

[undone beacon]

True. Most tanks can crank in AoE but then fall off hard in ST

[hollow badger]

new tank here. Can I macro shield block to shield slam and thunderclap or would that be a dumb idea?

[dry skiff]

what exactly does intervene intervenes ? xD mine is made in china

[spice anchor]

Dumb idea
You press slam and thunderclap way more often and you will use all your block charges and have nothing left

[mighty valley]

auto attacks, and some occasional abilities with the auto attack flag, WHILE YOU ARE STILL STANDING NEXT TO THE PERSON YOU INTERVENED

people often forget that last part

but tbh i don't know any impactful intervenes this season

[dry skiff]

what range identifies standing next to O_o

[undone beacon]

Melee range is 5 yards

[dry skiff]

tbh i get intervene for my own convenience movement

[undone beacon]

Intervene stinky

[dry skiff]

like the last part of ara kara when i'm 100% slowed

[undone beacon]

I'd take 5% speed over intervene

zooooom

[idle copper]

in Halls is pulling G42 onto the boss an ok thing to do?

[undone beacon]

three eviscerators and 5 anklebiters into echelon?

Sounds like a yikes to me

[nocturne spindle]

Yes you should have enough avatar/leaps to save yourself from the Spidey webs

But I could see intervene being nice

[undone beacon]

Intervene is nice for when a dps runs ahead and i can charge to them. Otherwise meh

[idle copper]

someone pulled it on my +13 - worked out ok but couldnt figure if they ment to do it

[undone beacon]

Possible? Yeah. But I can see it getting ugly pretty fast esp if people arent dealing with the echelon adds well

[sterile orbit]

eviserators suck in high keys chance to kill teammate imo

[idle copper]

ill give it a skip probably

[undone beacon]

I'd rather bring the darkblad/oblit on the other side of the steps into echelon

[sterile orbit]

ya thats normal

[idle copper]

just seemed effiecient at the time

[torpid dome]

hmm what horde race do you guys use btw on your tanks?

[undone beacon]

goblin bis

[sterile orbit]

hooman

[sharp gale]

Gnome.

[undone beacon]

In all honestly goblin is a little troll because rocket jump disables heroic leap for 10 seconds

[warm plinth]

Wait really lol

[undone beacon]

I love goblins but fuck me it’s so annoying

[warm plinth]

Wrong message

Why tf does it disable heroic leap XD

[undone beacon]

Yeah. It doesn’t do it in rested zones but in world/instance content it disables leap

It’s supposed to disable any “fall slowing abilities” which apparently counts leap but not hunter disengage so

[solid sun]

Did you know battle shout doesn’t have a cd

[warm plinth]

Interesting...

[sterile orbit]

i think dragon rly good but not paying for the change

[solid sun]

For some reason I remember it having a cd

[warm plinth]

Because it did til this patch

[sharp gale]

It’s new with 11.2

[undone beacon]

That was changed in 11.2

[solid sun]

I just starting chain yelling now when I’m ready to pull and people are being slow

[undone beacon]

Every time my leap gets disabled I’m one step closer to swapping to Dracthyr

[warm plinth]

@solid sun it was changed in 11.2 btw

[sharp gale]

That’s what we do, chain yelling for pull

[solid sun]

Thank you for the info

[undone beacon]

Did y’all know that in order to get rid of Battle Shouts CD, they had to remove Spell Block? No other way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412887946507321344/spellblockboom.gif

[warm plinth]

Dracthyr gets aoe knock and aoe knock up right?

[undone beacon]

Just the knock back, knock up is for evoker only now

[warm plinth]

Dang that sucks. Would have been nice the other way around

[undone beacon]

You get knock back, jump-glide, out of combat healing, mastery increase

[warm plinth]

And in exchange you get to look dumb. Easy choice

[undone beacon]

Honestly the knock is a neat bit of cc warrs don’t normally get

[undone beacon]

If you like male belf or female human it’s pretty easy money

Too bad I dislike both

[warm plinth]

Same

[undone beacon]

Because they’re not goblins or Highmountain Tauren

[warm plinth]

Oh right because you can fight in visage if not evoker now right

[solid sun]

I wish rhino was a race

[warm plinth]

When do we get a real new race?

Need moar

[solid sun]

What counts as real

[warm plinth]

Something that isn't elf or human 7.0

[solid sun]

Best we can do is another dwarf

[undone beacon]

Harronir is something I suppose

The male is nelf skele but the females… thicc troll

[warm plinth]

Nah they're just elf 7.0

[lusty grotto]

im here, just sick

[solid sun]

Yeah they’re technically trolls and elves

[undone beacon]

Thicc troll ladies my beloved

[solid sun]

Feel better soon bb

[undone beacon]

Just talent Bitter Immunity 4head

[lusty grotto]

lol

[warm plinth]

True

[dusky canopy]

Damn get well soon bud we got yapping to do

[strong surge]

Hi im new on wow and i play prot warrior i got this on my vault and dont know what to get . This is what i wear. Any advice on what to get is appreciated. Thanks in advance!!

[undone beacon]

Our first and most prevalent piece of advice is to . Its worth noting that you can farm a heroic Pacemaker/Tome from doing Floodgates/Priories at +6 or higher, whereas the only other way to get a myth track belt is from mythic raid (Soulbinder at the earliest)

[strong surge]

i simmed this but since im new iam not sure i understand it

[frosty mango]

Your trinkets are pretty ass though both of your vault trinkets are farmable. I suspect a sim will tell you to take the tome here but personally I’d take the belt

That’s telling you tome is the biggest upgrade

Both heroic tome and pace are farmable so imo you would take the belt here and farm those two trinkets

[undone beacon]

Yeah. Right now if you take the tome you'll gain the most damage. However because you can farm tome/pacemaker and you cant farm the belt, I'd agree with roid

If all three were myth track thats a different story

[lofty warren]

After getting 4 pc and switching to mt I feel like im doing more damage but im also more squish. How much worse is col than mt defensively?

[frosty mango]

If you don’t want to farm you can take the short term gain with tome but long term imo it’s not the best choice

[frosty mango]

There’s no real difference

[strong surge]

ok i understand thanks for the help i will go for the waist.

[frosty mango]

Send us a log, you’re probably not playing it properly

[lofty warren]

Me?

[frosty mango]

Yessir

[undone beacon]

Its a shame Footbomb launcher is bad because it comes with speed for papa's big speed set

[lofty warren]

Let me see

[frosty mango]

I have a heroic foot bomb on my speed set

@potent anvil vibes for sure

[pseudo swan]

is there a guide on simming as protection warrior? like what settings?

[frosty mango]

You sim exactly like dps

The sim only accounts for dps

[pseudo swan]

sorry what i meant was like

do we do ST for 5 min, and then do 5 target 5 min and take the best of both worlds

or does this class use dungeon slice

[lofty warren]

Don't have one from yesterday which is the one where I was mt

[pale rock]

Whats a good race for Prot? i have Race collecting dust?

[pseudo swan]

dwarfffff for m+ i think?

[lofty warren]

Dwarf

[frosty mango]

5 min patchwerk for st

90s 5 target patchwerk for aoe

Dungeon slice isn’t well supported

Functionally most of us just sim single target and call it a day

[pseudo swan]

ty so much

[pseudo swan]

ah good to know

ty!

[pale rock]

How accurate is this? https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/races/castingpatchwerkVoid Elf seems a wierd cchoice

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t matter bc race choice dps delta is completely negligible

Utility matters far more

[mint shadow]

how do you balance crit, haste, vers, at current ilevels? ive seen like haste to around 27k?

in the context of higher keys

[undone beacon]

You sim everything you get to see what is the biggest increase

[wide sable]

Hi! Are there any breakpoints besides ~23k Haste for 100% shield block time? Can't really see any info on Haste DR so that we favor Crit/Versa. Thanks

[neat geyser]

I’ve been enjoying my dwarf a lot this season the racial while not deal making or breaking is very nice to cleanse poison and black blood stacks off in arakara and some other dungeons. I wouldn’t reroll for the racial but it’s nice it worked out

[undone beacon]

No breakpoints for any stat other than enough haste to go from HR to ITF

[frosty mango]

There are no breakpoints, the haste value is a recommendation based on shield block uptime outside of that you just sim

[lofty warren]

404 not found ty

[undone beacon]

Stoneform/Fireblood are very strong racials for sure. Makes me jealous but ill never play stinky alliance

[lusty grotto]

that statement isnt accurate

there is no such thing as "23k for 100% sb uptime"

[frosty mango]

My fingers were faster than nims

For once

[mint shadow]

i wish they had given earthen a similar racial

[undone beacon]

honestly same. Maybe woulda swapped for that

[lusty grotto]

the only amounts that are considered are for only ITF vs HR (as in Into The Fray vs Heavy Repercussions), ITF requires a hard minimum of 21k haste to use/talent, if you dont have that you simply play HR

they arent caps

nor breakpoints

[undone beacon]

Or just be lazy and play HR forever and never have SB fall off

[lusty grotto]

at the cost of rage intake and dps but sure

[neat geyser]

Tbh I feel like the racial is better for a healer that’s struggling to keep up more than the tank. It also clears the Xally absorb shield when she pops up with that one like last week. You can have your healer mass dispel the first set (I run with a priest main) and then stone form the second one off if it’s on CD while they cleanse others

[undone beacon]

I didn't say it was optimal :3

[potent anvil]

[wide sable]

Just something I caugh in Yoda's guide... I think.

[lusty grotto]

of course

thats not a real limit

sorry

[lofty warren]

I thought it was illegal to have 100% sb uptime in s3

[frosty mango]

Warning yoda mention alert

Shots fired

Man the cannons

Clear the deck

[undone beacon]

To be fair at +12 you never have to deal with that affix again

[neat geyser]

Yeah the Yoda guide did mention this for prot warrior but I think it was more in the context of “Aim for this” more than like “this is a hard and fast rule”

[dusky canopy]

Yoda my balls fit in your jaws

[pseudo swan]

what is this about

[dusky canopy]

[pseudo swan]

i think i watched the same video

on youtube

is there something wrong with it

[neat geyser]

Oh yeah 100% it’s my favorite part of actually getting to 12s lol

[undone beacon]

Yoda is a contentious figure round these parts

[frosty mango]

Yoda is very polarizing in this discord lol

[undone beacon]

12s for weeklies > 10s for weeklies

[lusty grotto]

he has questionable takes

[pseudo swan]

like what if you don't mind me asking

so i know what to watch out for xD

[lusty grotto]

the one we're discussing is a new one

[pseudo swan]

is there anything wrong with his guide?

[lusty grotto]

watch yoda for the general advice, not for his prot warrior "theorycrafting"

[dusky canopy]

“Shield specilization isn’t needed”

[frosty mango]

Well it all started back in the day when yoda was like “fueled by violence is the best and you should absolutely take it”

[pseudo swan]

as a new tank is it wrong

[lofty warren]

Yoda did say right before s3 that he thinks ppal gonna be s tier m+ and looks like it is

[pseudo swan]

to just be in shield the whole time?

[lusty grotto]

huh

[pseudo swan]

defensive stance

[wide sable]

Never said that, just in the context of something to aim for.
About Yoda being polarizing in here, I guess now I know 😄

[dusky canopy]

He means stance

[lusty grotto]

no it isnt wrong, as any prot warrior, experienced or otherwise

there's no reason to be in battle stance

aside from when not actively tanking in raid

[lofty warren]

What are people dropping that defensive talent for?

[undone beacon]

Drop shield spec, stay in battle stance, we dont need DRs

easy

[neat geyser]

Zug Zug will save us

[undone beacon]

(for legal reasons that is a joke)

[lofty warren]

I have stance change macro on shift 5 because I literally pressed it once all xpac and that was to go into tank stance

Shift 6*

[dusky canopy]

Shift 6 is rally duh

Since it’s so useless

[undone beacon]

Make your stance bar three times larger and make it slighty left off center from the middle of the screen

gaming

[dusky canopy]

This guy assumes we’re all left eye dominant wild

[undone beacon]

Nah i simmed it its just the highest dps placement

[dusky canopy]

Ahh true can’t argue with the robot

I Concede

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-high-five-okay-sour's-cat-cute-cat-gif-13717594879666614680

[lusty grotto]

its not that hes polarizing, its the fact that people have questions about his videos which we have no reasonable explanation for, its better to ask him these things in his discord. Some of his takes doesnt make sense for our theorycrafters, at all, and may just be "feelcraft" picks

[full mist]

Just mathematically 23k haste won’t give you 100% uptime ad infinitum. You’ll just get about 100% on most pulls because you start with 2 charges of SB.

SB has a base cd of 16s and a duration of 8s. Shield charge gives you 8s of shield block every 45s. If you use that on CD it covers SB 17.8% of the time. To cover the other 82.2% of the time SB would need a cd of 9.73s. This means you would need 64.4% haste.

ITF gives you a multiplicative 8% haste at max stacks and your other talents give you two 2% haste multipliers. All in all that means you would need 46.3% haste from stats.

This translates to 30.6k “true” haste rating (after DRs are applied).

Again, in practice the uptime will be higher because there is downtime between pulls.

[lusty grotto]

we're not a single streamer discord

[lofty warren]

Just mathematically 23k haste won’t give you 100% uptime ad infinitum. You’ll just get about 100% on most pulls because you start with 2 charges of SB.

SB has a base cd of 16s and a duration of 8s. Shield charge gives you 8s of shield block every 45s. If you use that on CD it covers SB 17.8% of the time. To cover the other 82.2% of the time SB would need a cd of 9.73s. This means you would need 64.4% haste.

ITF gives you a multiplicative 8% haste at max stacks and your other talents give you two 2% haste multipliers. All in all that means you would need 46.3% haste from stats.

This translates to 30.6k “true” haste rating (after DRs are applied).

Again, in practice the uptime will be higher because there is downtime between pulls.

[undone beacon]

Skyhold is now a community of people who wanna watch me play stardew valley

[lofty warren]

Is that the myrhic plus only game that is coming out soon tm?

[dusky canopy]

I think I’m going to try that silksong game

Looks neat, big fan of the original

[lusty grotto]

same

but i didnt buy it yet cause i have no time

[dusky canopy]

Heard good things

Same

[lusty grotto]

i do want to play it for sure

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-slap-hornet-gif-12723730087844700947

[frosty mango]

What are you some kind of math teacher

[lusty grotto]

the only thing thats wrong with that statement is that realistically we dont always have 2 charges up for every pull (or max ITF stacks)

so you would need more

but the general idea is good

[frosty mango]

If 30k haste is wrong, I don’t wanna be right

[dusky canopy]

Zugulations 2:1
thou shalt not fall pray to acts of wizardy. In zug we trust, amen

[solid sun]

It’s also not just polarization

It’s fatigue

[undone beacon]

Polarization?

What is this, mythic sprocketmonger?

[solid sun]

Never did that

[dusky canopy]

Fortunate

[lofty warren]

Wanna hear something polarizing? Jo momma

[undone beacon]

If I played MM I'd buy the name change lmfao

Got the name reserved tho

[strong forum]

lockenfockenrockencockenfuck

[lofty warren]

I see a naughty word in that string

[dusky canopy]

There’s a naughty word in your name

[undone beacon]

Can't say "fock" thats too close to fuck

[lofty warren]

Pega not naughty

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto snagging some Culver’s jumbo shrimp and a vanilla concrete with cookie dough for snack before game time! How do you rate this combo?

[dusky canopy]

Remove a letter and try again

[lusty grotto]

i dont know

[undone beacon]

why does this sound like a sponsored instagram post

[lusty grotto]

i dont like shrimp

but the last part sounds great

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[undone beacon]

shrimp is gross

[solid sun]

Wow

[undone beacon]

also not kosher

[solid sun]

Shrimp is awesome

[dusky canopy]

I actually only like it when it’s battered and deep fried

I do not like fresh shrimp I can agree with that

[lusty grotto]

i just dont like seafood

[undone beacon]

at that point is it even shrimp

[lusty grotto]

lol

[undone beacon]

also still not kosher smh

[lofty warren]

Removing letter from pega.. ega? PGA? Pea? Peg?

[dusky canopy]

Lmao fair

[solid sun]

I like every kind of shrimp

[lofty warren]

Ohh peg might be naughty

[dusky canopy]

This guy

[solid sun]

Pepega sure is something

[dusky canopy]

😂

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/batpeg-batpeg-wednesday-peg-wednesday-gif-1491559270448145126

[solid sun]

It was awesome when Doot got annoyed he didn’t realize it was Pepega he was answering

And then told him not to ping him with his bullshit

I don’t normally see Doot get like that

[lusty grotto]

ghash*

[frosty mango]

Shrimp is awesome

[solid sun]

But his discord name is Doot

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-shrimp-one-in-a-krillion-gif-15542733422990756729

[frosty mango]

I’m from Maryland and grew up on the water though so I’m genetically required to like seafood

[solid sun]

Uhhh

It’s Maryland. Not Marywater

[undone beacon]

I like seafood, just not shrimp. or crab or lobster

Or anything that doesnt have both scales and fins

[solid sun]

So no scallops?

[undone beacon]

No scallops

[lofty warren]

Seafood meat is very similar to bug meat but I would never touch bug meat and I like seafood

[undone beacon]

you will eat ze bugs

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-ze-bugs-new-world-order-klaus-schwab-schwab-gif-14113744700006931997

[frosty mango]

The entire state has a giant watery middle finger running directly through it

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-bug-mouth-bug-inside-mouth-bug-on-mouth-gif-11925476

[undone beacon]

wow i hate that

[mighty valley]

i'm allergic to fish and seafood so i don't need to have an opinion on shrimp

you can't cancel me

[warm plinth]

👀

[plush tendon]

im sorry

that sucks

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

[warm plinth]

I think seafood is fine but definitely something I could go the rest of my life without eating. Even like lobster, idk what the big deal is for that stuff

[undone beacon]

just say you're kosher and then i can pretend i have kosher friends

[mighty valley]

get this: allergic to peanuts/tree nuts too

past life me really fucked up somewhere

[plush tendon]

Im from New England; Lobster used to be prison food

then someone posh realized its good

[warm plinth]

I'd heard that

[plush tendon]

and now its expensive

same with things like brisket

[warm plinth]

I had it at a Gordon ramsay restaurant

[plush tendon]

poor people historically got the cheap 'scraps', made it good, now its expensive

[dense cradle]

Avocados

[warm plinth]

With risotto, which was good

But the lobster itself was like meh

[pseudo swan]

is the server down?

[plush tendon]

I love lobster

[pseudo swan]

i keep getting disconnected / failure to connect to servers

[plush tendon]

but I aint spending $30 bucks on a fucking lobster roll

out of their god damn mind

[dense cradle]

Yep

[blazing shuttle]

Lobster is based.

But has to be worth the price.

[dense cradle]

Or people who pay the dumb high prices to eat….cheese with crackers

[warm plinth]

I spent like 270 on that meal. Was a special occasion with an ex who always wanted to go to a ramsay restaurant

[dense cradle]

off a cutting board

[plush tendon]

I aint got the pallet for a fancy resturaunt

[warm plinth]

It was worth it for the experience though

[plush tendon]

but Ill spend good $$$ for legit texas BBQ

[warm plinth]

Not something I would do regularly

[south wing]

i have a hero Tome, hero Brand, and a myth pacemaker. what 2 do i use for mythic raid bosses?

[dense cradle]

Yeah took my parents to a steakhouse that is largely overhyped

[lusty grotto]

brand and tome

[mighty valley]

tome/brand probably, but sim st

[dense cradle]

just an experience thing before they get old

[lusty grotto]

but sims would have told you that

[warm plinth]

I live in kc and prefer tx BBQ which is like blasphemy haha

[hardy snow]

the ones that sims higher

[grim pilot]

Lobster was cheap because they were eating the dead ones

That washed up on shores

[south wing]

you know fair answer, but i wasnt sure if brand simmed right due to the dmg taken component

[grim pilot]

Nowadays u catch them alive n shit and kill them just before eating

[hardy snow]

it sims fine, brand is giga in raid

[warm plinth]

You take damage in sims. Not a significant amount but enough for stuff like that to work

[plush tendon]

yep

[lusty grotto]

your kill times will be needed, brand needs 4 mins to fully ramp up

[plush tendon]

fun to do growing up

let the kids put the lobster in the pot

[lusty grotto]

so sim at your kill times

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna cry soon probably

2.5 hours into a 4 hour training

[lofty warren]

All the vegan tears gonna flow if they read this

[pseudo swan]

how are we supposed to use rend?

i didn't quite understand beause the guides i've watched

don't mneiton it

mention*

[warm plinth]

Learning nothing

You don't

[plush tendon]

Thunder Clap applies it

[warm plinth]

It's applied by thunder clap

[pseudo swan]

oh

[plush tendon]

just remove rend from your bars

[pseudo swan]

so we just take the talent

[undone beacon]

Did you guys know rend is applied by thunder clap

[pseudo swan]

but don't need to apply it

[warm plinth]

Yes

Correct

[pseudo swan]

i thought i had to apply it and then use thunderclap to spread it or something

[plush tendon]

rend deez nuts

[pseudo swan]

ok that makes more sense now

[lofty warren]

Remove whirlwind too

[pseudo swan]

ok i've removed that one

[warm plinth]

And Slam

[pseudo swan]

is that the purple one

[warm plinth]

(Not Shield Slam, regular Slam)

[pseudo swan]

ok yeah

the purple spike one thanks

one mroe question - m+:

• i saw a build that takes bloodborne and dropped indomitable

is that only for much higher keys when things live longer?

and then

• fight through the flames vs armor specialization
  do you just take one or the other depending if there is a lot of magical damage in a particular dungeon vs more physical?

[plush tendon]

no one is playing indomitable

in like any build

[pseudo swan]

i saw it on kira's >.>

sorry

[plush tendon]

I kind of doubt that? unless he needed indomitable for something

but its not very good

also, just play armor speciialziation 100% of the time

[lusty grotto]

and shield

[plush tendon]

you get more prim stat the more armor you have

[warm plinth]

I mean he also runs bloodborne instead of the ravager/whirling blade node

[plush tendon]

yea, the question was specifically about Indomitable

[lofty warren]

Kira remove shield talent too I think

[plush tendon]

which, AFAIK, is kind of poops

[warm plinth]

Yes I was making the point that maybe people shouldnt emulate folks just because they do high content

[plush tendon]

I watched his Halls 20 video

world first key.... is 2 mobs over count

[pseudo swan]

so if i'm learning and want to do m+

do i just take the wowhead talents for weekly keys one?

[warm plinth]

You can get away with a lot of errors or bullshit even in that key range. Most of the difficulty is meeting damage checks and stopping casts

[pseudo swan]

or better to just practice with the push key version for more survivability?

[plush tendon]

either or

[warm plinth]

Whatever makes you feel comfortable is fine.

[plush tendon]

more important to learn the dungeons and the class basics

[warm plinth]

You'll do less damage with the push build but it's simpler

[plush tendon]

then you can worry about the builds

[lofty warren]

Weekly key imo. Also can watch some basic videos made before the season that talk about the dungeons.. not some degenerate key pushing hyperspecific thing

[pseudo swan]

got it thank you guys!

[frosty mango]

Like I said a billion times just because you own a car that does not make you a nascar driver

Vast majority of people are not yoda/kira, they are not running that content and they are not playing with people that are playing at that level

[marsh elm]

They experiment a ton too. Someone asked if vers is better than crit on stream and kira just said ”i have no fucking clue”

[undone beacon]

lol. lmao even