protection

[warm plinth]

Yeah add aoe + 2 screeches would be rough

I only had one slasher in my route previously which is the one in halkias room

And that's more pug protection than anything

[solid sun]

Doot

[warm plinth]

Rhino

[solid sun]

That is not a room

Smh my head

[warm plinth]

You know what I mean

[solid sun]

I agree with you. I just also disagree

[frosty mango]

I agree

Wait

I disagree

[warm plinth]

Oh god

[solid sun]

My man

[warm plinth]

This again

[frosty mango]

Yes

Wait

No

[solid sun]

It’s never going to get old for me

[frosty mango]

Hey no one can ever say I’m not willing to change my opinion

[warm plinth]

I agree

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[warm plinth]

Wait

[lusty grotto]

no, i agree to disagree

[warm plinth]

I disagree to agree

[lusty grotto]

it looks like were at an impasse

[warm plinth]

I like the word impasse

[fluid widget]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

[lusty grotto]

impASSe

[warm plinth]

It's French for dead end isn't it

[lusty grotto]

HEH HEH

wait so ghash

371 count without pulling slashers right?

inside i mean

or do i -15 if we dont pull any?

[warm plinth]

371 without yes

Subtract 15 for each one you pull

In 3rd boss room*

[solid sun]

Do you pull onto halkias

[warm plinth]

If you want to, sure

[undone beacon]

bless ty papa

we didnt finish it because one of our dps went "shit i didnt realize what time it was I have to take my pregnant wife to an appointment

[warm plinth]

Wake eu up so they can update mdt

Bruh lmao

[undone beacon]

But the entire thing pre 2nd boss is pretty slick

[plush tendon]

another instance of wife being the worst affix

[mighty valley]

Does the slasher scream interrupt

[warm plinth]

Yes

[mighty valley]

ok, probably not worth the caster complaints

[fierce pier]

hello,is there a talent that makes demo shout make us do more damage?

[mellow bridge]

yes

booming voice

fwiw you can just type in "demo shout" in the talent search bar and it will show you every talent related to it

[fierce pier]

ty

[vagrant echo]

Why antenna over pacemaker in m+?

[plush tendon]

Antenna gives more crit on average

though pacemaker is easier I think?

someone mentioned to me that you have to get orbs for Antenna or something (dont know, never used it)

[mighty valley]

orbs appear nearby and slowly drift towards you... they'll get to you eventually but you can pick them up faster

[tight mural]

okay so i now have myth pace, myth tome, and champ brand. feels band to keep the champ brand equipped, but it sims higher 🙁

[lusty grotto]

both are comparable, you just cant farm a Myth Pacemaker

you can farm a myth antenna though on a weekly reset

[lusty grotto]

could be worse, could have 0 brands

like a certain mouse

[vagrant echo]

Makes sense, got it week one vault. So was curious why I’m seeing so many antenna

[lusty grotto]

precisely because of that reason

[young gyro]

The game hates me this week

All 3 necklaces in my raid slots in the vault...

Le Sigh.

[cursive needle]

Is haste going to help me with my SB issues? I have times where I cannot get SB up.

[high latch]

Probably. You should have 21-25k to run Into the Fray. But even then you'll have a little downtime. If you have less than that you wanna swap it to Heavy Repercussions.

[jagged pier]

no really, we now have gaps u need to manage it correctly, or just run HR

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto took hole

atleast that belt thats been sitting in my bags will be upgrade now

[tribal wharf]

(The joke here is that it can only ever punch you in melee range, so, hit your shield block)

[cursive needle]

Ok thanks for the tips. I’m getting blasted in 14s at 711 ilvl. I’ll have to swap it around.

[frosty mango]

35000 haste gaming

Block champion

[jagged pier]

youll still have gaps after a long enough period of time

[nocturne spindle]

4 reaver chain pull?

[woven torrent]

Does anybody know if something on this route doesnt give the % it shows on mdt?

did everything but forgot 3 darkness slimes on pull 11 and was at 85% instead of 93%

[frosty mango]

Pull 11, the little slime guys may not give percent

[lean furnace]

ne1 got a new hoa route for scrubs? trying to work on trimming the 'yoda easy' one but not entirely sure what to not go for now

[woven torrent]

I mean those are exactly the ones I forgot anyway, but I was missing a whole 7%

i triple checked with the guys i ran with to ask them if i forgot anything and they also cant see anything we did

[frosty mango]

Are you sure you didn’t miss a pack?

Did you log the run?

[woven torrent]

yeah ill send the log when im at my pc

5 mins

[frosty mango]

Because 7% isn’t missed a mob, that’s missed a pull

[neon elk]

Ive had simmilar issue with dawn like 2 weeks back where eqch pack was giving more in mdt than it realy was , like the last miniboss in mdt was showing 2% more etc etc , and ive had it up to date

[vagrant echo]

I mean, it doesn’t look like enough

[frosty mango]

Percents aside that route looks

[lusty grotto]

HOA is pretty chill now

[frosty mango]

Very inefficient?

[lusty grotto]

just did one

[vagrant echo]

I do an additional 2 on pull 7, don’t do pull 8 or 10, don’t do additional on 11, and have to pull the whole courtyard plus the 3 to the east

[frosty mango]

There’s just like tons of flying

[lusty grotto]

gonna try AK to see how it is

🫡

[woven torrent]

was just what most tanks did for me as a dps

so i used it

[merry umbra]

any tank tips to fractillus mythic? boss seems to do random meeles on the tank with the debuff even when the other one is in range, weird af

[vagrant echo]

I agree, pull 8 and 10 are troll

[woven torrent]

yeah havent looked into other online routes

[frosty mango]

so based on this bonkers route if I had to guess, you missed pull 8

[woven torrent]

nope

im uploading the log as we speak tho to check

but i remember doing it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1DTAtzFqaCyJGwpW

replay doesnt show me on pull 8 either

might just be schizo after all

me and my premades

[icy haven]

this one any good?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets what does this say?

also

[frosty mango]

I mean according to the log

you went from pull 7 to pull 9

[woven torrent]

ye was bl up and mightve forgot it i guess

[frosty mango]

you did trash -> miniboss -> miniboss

[woven torrent]

i was just pepeg

[frosty mango]

so I was right you missed pull 8

[woven torrent]

thanks

[boreal latch]

any help with my vault? tome and pacemaker are myth, brand and antenna are hero. My current trinkets are arakara sacbrod hero and brand veteran

[neon elk]

I would either pick tome or pace ( personaly tome) brand is farmable and even champ one isnt that far from hero

[pallid quiver]

I'd personally grab pace since it lets you fluff overalls more in M+ on average, but all of those are pretty good choices

[boreal latch]

perfect! thanks to both

[neon elk]

Tome vs pace is pretty much personal choice, but i would defo pick one of those on myth vs any other hero trinket

[pallid quiver]

Also of note is that you can forever farm for Hero Tome or Pace; raid loot is only once a week + vault

but you're also more likely to find a given raid loot in vault iirc due to loot pool size

[thorn drift]

can someone tell me the amount of haste required to have 100% uptime on shield block?

[boreal latch]

i made my choice on pacemaker, thx u all

[lusty grotto]

yikes

i would have gone tome but it is what it is

[pallid quiver]

With Heavy Rep, 0

With ITF, true 100% uptime,

a lot

You realistically only need like 22k? or so to keep effective uptime

[thorn drift]

thanks❤️

[boreal latch]

yeah i was between both, but sometimes i play arms, so it helps too

[lusty grotto]

oh thats good

[pallid quiver]

I mean they're both top end, and if you're not raid parsing, pace might be better overall

[lusty grotto]

pace big for arms

[pallid quiver]

oh and if dps spec a consideration, pace 100% of the time

tome literally dead for arms and fury

I can't think of a worse trinket than literally nothing

[lofty warren]

What the heck is hoa route even now?

[lusty grotto]

the same

you just pull less in the cy

[nocturne spindle]

i think imma do this

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats what i did

but with several body pulls

[vagrant echo]

Pull one should be bigger

[lusty grotto]

people still cant handle 2 oblis

[slender bison]

Swap pull 2 and 3 order. You need CDs for halkias

[vagrant echo]

Do you really do pull 9 as one?

Can’t be doing that in high keys…

[slender bison]

3 Reavers and the gargoyle patrol will get agro. Kinda illegal

5 casters...

[nocturne spindle]

naw i think its fine

[frosty mango]

Feel like with the proper group and lust that’s not a bad pull

Most of that shit will die in 10 seconds

[vagrant echo]

You’ll do fine, it’s the group that won’t live

[frosty mango]

It’s only dangerous while the anklebiters are alive

They can be controlled

[nocturne spindle]

its only 3casters

[vagrant echo]

What’s the highest key you’ve done it in?

[frosty mango]

Just spear the biters and then shockwave them

[frosty mango]

I did that pull (ish) in a 15 and it was completely fine

[lofty warren]

[vagrant echo]

With lust?

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto almost resil 15, hoa/flood 😄

[frosty mango]

We bricked because dps can’t press defensives on boss lul

[frosty mango]

Yes

[lofty warren]

What are 2 oblis

[slender bison]

The map changed. You no longer have reaver in the back

[lofty warren]

The guys who stab you are annoying af and the gatgoyle

[nocturne spindle]

yea thats the updated map

why im changing my route

[slender bison]

Anyway, swap pull 2 and 3 order as youre literally trolling your DPS and heal

[thin finch]

can someone help me decide?

[lofty warren]

How are you gonna get to 2nd boss? Still with or without the big pack at the bottom of the stairs?

[burnt drift]

Hey Kings

Whats the best way to sim the prot stuff? ST?

Hectic add cleave?

[mellow bridge]

patchwerk

[neon elk]

St ,5t 1mim 5t 1.5m , make mix of them or just go with st if u lazy like me

[mellow bridge]

add as many targets as you want

[burnt drift]

hm ok

ty all 🙂

[valid estuary]

i have crafted wep and shield 720 and a hero chest 710. in vault i got mythic chest and myth shield. is myth chest the better grab because it would be a +13 ilvl difference vs only +3 from shield? feel like the gap between hero and myth is so big its dumb not to pick the chest piece

[neon elk]

Its also "dumb" to not pick the only piece that increases your block value , even tho just by a mere 3ilvls

[valid estuary]

fair i spose

[vagrant echo]

Why did you open vault as prot if you crafted shield?

[valid estuary]

tank trinket from raid

want a chance for it

[vagrant echo]

🤮

[neon elk]

I still open vault as prot even tho i have crafted wep and shield cuz i want them on mythic ? Whats wrong with that ?

[warm plinth]

Same. I open as prot until I get myth shield and weapon

[restive oak]

whats approximate gain from raid renown consume buff?

[steady hawk]

how important is the interlopers boots special effect for tanks, I have champ interloper and some really good hero boots. sims say its a minor dps loss for the hero boots (they are both 704)

[lusty grotto]

its not that important

[warm plinth]

How would it be a dps loss

[lusty grotto]

i would wear higher tracks

[warm plinth]

Our cloak effect has no dps

[lusty grotto]

#protection message here you go

[solid sun]

High tops are great for ankle support

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think he wrote it backwards

[neon elk]

Chances are its stats ?

[lusty grotto]

its possible

they are champ so they could be equal ilvl

4/6 hero vs 6/6 champ

same ilvl

[neon elk]

Ye he even said that xd

[lusty grotto]

and the hunters boots have pretty much perfect stats

i wouldn't sell the other boots

but its unlikely he will be getting the 2 uppies

at least not this week

so just stay with the hunter boots i guess

either way his question was how important, and they arent

[neon elk]

Like use interlopers now , swap them for anything mythic

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[thin finch]

tks

[warm plinth]

Vault opening time

https://tenor.com/beoEy.gif

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

Make sure to ask us what to take!

[warm plinth]

Do you only play pwar?

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

another scammer

[warm plinth]

Noooo I was taking notes! How am I gonna be rich now?

[lusty grotto]

the fuck outta here lmao

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Well that's just tragic XD

[strong forum]

gamble

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

95% of the time

[fallow wind]

Guess i'll cata the gloves

[warm plinth]

already got myth weapon I assume?

[fallow wind]

crafted, but that weapon is shit stats when i sim its not much better

[warm plinth]

We don't have shit stats. And it's still better. Doesn't appear you're raiding mythic, so it's your only chance of a myth track weapon that you may never see again.

[fallow wind]

True

[icy haven]

how does that 1h off plexus mythic hold up to a crafted wep?

[pallid quiver]

It's got haste and it can have more of the notable stat of weapon damage

[warm plinth]

It's higher ilevel, so it wins

[lofty warren]

Lvl 18 rep for augmentation rune zzzzzzzzzzz

[pallid quiver]

which you can't get anywhere else other than higher ilvl wep

[frosty mango]

Few of my guildies already have r18

Crazy peeps

[solid sun]

How much does an augment rune add

[mellow yoke]

733 main stat

[lusty grotto]

i had it last week

[solid sun]

Is 733 strength a lot of dps

[hardy snow]

less than 1%

[solid sun]

I had a feeling

Now I don’t have to feel bad for being poor

[undone beacon]

Saaaaame

Gamers

[lofty warren]

did we get another catalyst charge this week? (na

[solid sun]

I was thinking of swapping to alchemy or enchanting next expansion and see if that makes me any gold pieces

[lofty warren]

I dont see it from the catalyst

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lofty warren]

every other week when it it given how is it given? a currency or item in bag? mail?

[round pendant]

at the catalyst machine thing

[warm plinth]

I don't think it will show the currency at the catalyst until you put an item in the left slot

[lusty grotto]

it will

if its this season's

[lofty warren]

I used 2 charges and have 1 in bags from m+ achieve. where is the 4th

[lusty grotto]

oh i see what youre saying

[humble crane]

anyone have a solid place to get routes as theyre being developed? trying to keep up with the communities ideas after these changes to HoA

[warm plinth]

Why tf am I answering him anyway tbh smfh

[lofty warren]

bro where is my 4th one

[lusty grotto]

it got deleted for being pepega

[warm plinth]

I just realized who was asking; guess I should pay more attention

[warm anvil]

I have questions about tome trinket does anyone have time to eli5?

[lofty warren]

🙁 where is ittt

[warm plinth]

The defensive buff (Inner resilience) grants permanent stacking armor and a chance to gain a magic absorb whene hitting things.

The offensive buff (inner radiance) grants a permanent stacking crit buff and a chance to inflict holy damage on attacks.

The trinket will change between the two automatically when it reaches 50 stacks of the current buff. If you use the effect, however, it will immediately switch to the other buff and double the bonus of it.

[lofty warren]

i know i didn't use it on one unequiped item

[warm anvil]

Right, I understand how the buff works I just dont understand how it sims so ridiculously high vs other trinkets

[warm plinth]

So basically, if the trinket is on the radiance buff, you leave it be. If it swaps to the resilience buff and the trinket is off cooldown, you use it to swap to radiance and double the buff

[warm anvil]

I get that its damage proc + static crit so its value isnt all shown on details it just seems so far behind in practice,. makes it feel sim baity

[warm plinth]

Sim bait is called that because it sims improperly and performs better than expected as a result. Tome does not sim improperly.

[warm anvil]

I have brand + tome, both at 704. In my last priory brand did 564m damage and 104m absorb. Tome did 211m with 84% uptime on the crit side + whatever value 3.1k crit is at 84% uptime.

is it just the crit uptime is so good that makes it sim so much higher than anything else?

[lofty warren]

@lusty grotto @warm plinth in case you were wondering, someone else helped me. the void shard thing had to be right clicked/opened to receive the tier currency

[warm plinth]

Don't ping me with your bullshit dude

[lofty warren]

was just rying to let you know so you dont get stuck like i did 🙁

[grim pilot]

@warm plinth

[neon elk]

Do you guys play anything with first mini boss in dawn ? The tankhit fella in church

[solid sun]

I think @frosty mango does?

[warm plinth]

The crit uptime is ~75-80% and it's significantly more crit than the average stat stick style trinket. My 707 tome grants 3157 crit, which would be like 2367 crit if you averaged it out. That's about 570 crit more than a 723 so'leah. And then about 15% of the time, that crit is doubled. The whole time the crit buff is active, you're also dealing bonus damage on attacks via the proc, which at 707 is approximately 115k dps by itself over a dungeon (usually around 180k+ on a boss)

[solid sun]

Y’all are so numbery

It’s rather impressive

[marsh spire]

Need some help with the vault boys

[solid sun]

I suggest tarot cards

[marsh spire]

@warm plinth Please stop raging out in prot warrior chat!

[grim pilot]

😡

[warm plinth]

The impressive part was typing it with a cat laying on both my wrists at the same time

[neon elk]

You are impressive

Gotcha

[solid sun]

You’re both impressive

Owned

[neon elk]

Damn

[past laurel]

what do we sim as? dungonslice?

[lusty grotto]

no

5 target 1.5 min

[past laurel]

ty

[solid sun]

Is it worth mentioning that we sim 5 minutes for ire

[lusty grotto]

perhaps

but they didnt specify

[past laurel]

patchwork?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[past laurel]

okay ty.

[frosty mango]

I pull the caster and mob on the far right into it

[lusty grotto]

only you get stuck like you did

[steady mason]

If you land in front and take the four near the bottom and the four on the steps, then there are two packs of two available to pull in

[neon elk]

Yea that should work but ill have to adjust route for it i usualy play those 2small with either group of 4

[solid sun]

Isn’t there a big pack between the two on the sides

Balcony pack, pack in the middle, pack on each side, mini boss, pack at the stairs?

[lusty grotto]

thats what you do

but im probably gonna remove g22

[solid sun]

Oh those two down there

[lusty grotto]

i dont wanna deal with a caster + mini boss

[solid sun]

The pack outside the green pull is dangerous

[lusty grotto]

thats a roamer, you dont pull it

by the time you get the mini and come out, if dps is right, it'll be pathing up

so you never get it

[warm plinth]

bruh I just broke my brain after wowhead and threechest gaslit me

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lofty warren]

Did you have that item in your bags and open it today?

[lusty grotto]

no i opened it 1st week like everybody did

[boreal comet]

What is the difference between execute build and non execute build from a damage perspective and tankynwss?

[lusty grotto]

you dont need the "non execute build"

unless you are pushing rank 1 keys

[boreal comet]

Why is that I see r1 keys being with execute

[lusty grotto]

and i hope you mean the push build in wowhead

cause they know what to swap out for

except they dont cause they drop shield spec and thats not recommended

[boreal comet]

I am not following you. Can I read about it in the wowhead guide?

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what your question is

so im addressing what people look for usually

use this build aka the vault key build and swap those talents if needed, thats it

[boreal comet]

I did not play the execute build so far this ssn. But played mostly CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA0yAAAAwYmZmZmxMmNjZZwYMaMLjZYsMmZG2mZGzADDAAAAAAsMGAYGbAGYDWWMmxMAmFY2gZG

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what that is

what key level are you doing

[boreal comet]

14’s

[lusty grotto]

you can also sim the difference between the specs in raidbots

use the vault build i put in

cause 14s aint high

[boreal comet]

I know. Just climbing the ranks . Thanks anyhow

[lusty grotto]

also that build is cursed

again

you should pick shield spec

youre dropping armor spec which yields strength

due to this

bloodborne does nothing for thane

its very good for colossus, but we arent playing it

youre dropping a lot of defensiveness by not picking those 2 talents alone

[boreal comet]

Dumb question maybe but still asking; what you mean by this?

[azure crag]

"You ever get so mad you start shooting lighting?"
-the mountain thane probably

[boreal comet]

Fair

[lusty grotto]

drop bloodborne

drop fight through the flames

talent shield spec

and talent armor spec

4% MDR wont save you from anything

the added block youre gaining, and armor into strength into parry AND AP, will

[boreal comet]

Thanks mate!!

[lusty grotto]

but honestly

do the weekly build

what i posted

[boreal comet]

When do you swap whirling with execute?

[boreal comet]

Will try

[lusty grotto]

you dont

whirling stays

[boreal comet]

Okay

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFUgYVIpRUBBNVUVFRFEGVUVFRCUAEFVVUCAQ

or just look at em here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank

[boreal comet]

And when do we start changing the build?

[lusty grotto]

way farther out

or whenever you feel like you cant cover the damage with good play

which is not at 14s

[boreal comet]

Where can I read about those situations? Wowhead guide?

[lusty grotto]

what situations?

you cant really read about any point in key level/infinite scaling while we're still gearing

nobody is ilvl capped, so everything is a moving target

which include both key levels, and the talent choices we make

so if youre asking if i can give you a specific key level to when you swap what talents, i cant

but i can tell you confidently that at 14s you only need the weekly thane build

and thats about it, unless you mean something different

[slow hatch]

Wondering if I should take a myth sacbrood to replace my champ one or a socket for my helm 🫤

The sim shows a pretty small bump on the trinket

Like.. +0.012

[tribal wharf]

im not entirely sure how good sac is now

start of expansion ppl were so brain dead stupid over that trinket i quit lol

i know it was nerfed at least once.

[mystic vale]

anyone know if theres a bug with Sentinel

last week i pushed through the back wall

[round pendant]

reset my beloved

just like 3 hours

I can't wait to get my slop

[fathom oasis]

good to know my (so far) ~40 priories are not for naught

i've gifted signets to 4 people already

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-so-gif-18681605

[slow hatch]

It's listed as A tier but it seems mostly for the strength buff and not the dmg proc

The dmg proc appears to do less than 1% of my DMG

[mighty valley]

Yeah, it’s the static haste and str that makes it decent

[tribal wharf]

im like 99% certain if i logged in i would have sac and larynx still

i quit with 3 million dmg trinket wtf, and there was some other trinket in DF and it was trash when it got released, but then in another major patch season for keys it got retuned and it was amazing

enduring dreadplates, i had this item all the first patch it came out and they super buffed the hell out of it and then i think i quit for some reason

[glass grove]

Hey! Planning to get 0.1% this ssn as a 🛡️ tank. There's something I don't understand about prot warrior in m+ right now. In short, what makes prot warrior good in m+?

• I often hear that "war does good ST damage". However, according to wlogs, it is on par (or worse) with prot paladins damage. Even when comparing mass AoE, they are both very similar (according to wlogs)
• I also compared damage intake & healing. Once again, they are very similar prot pals (compared two top HoA logs)

Aside from the AD buff warrior brings, how are they not simply a worse version of prot paladins this season considering that prot pal has a similar profile, but additionally brings:

1. 3% dr "raid buff" (tradeoff w/ AD buff)
2. infinite ccs for dungeons such as HoA and PSF
3. insane healer assistance (via (mainly) lay on hands, WoG, dispels, blessing of prot, or sac)

Disclaimer: I fully understand that the meta is not set in stone as depicted in the screenshot above (source: mythicstats.com). There's still a divide in the tank community and both prot pals and prot wars look like solid meta contenders. I was just wondering was was the appeal in playing warrior for top players right now. I thought you might know more

[clever heart]

Hey Friends. Question for anyone who wants reply.

So Prot bis embelishment is 2x Dawnthread Lining correct ?
I believe that can be crafted on: Boots | Bracers | Waist |
I am wondering if the Embellishment crafted on boots is better than Soul Hunter special effect boots on Heroic Track lvl ?
I want to save bracers for Engineering

[minor lark]

I got myth boots from vault, do I catalyze them? Would lock down my 2 pc myth

I dont have time to raid so all my gear comes from facerolling 10s fr vault

[true plover]

Trying to decide between antenna and this ring from vault. Thinking antenna but not sure.

[neat geyser]

Hey guys, working on a macro for Avatar/Pot/Demo shout and wanted to add Thunderous Roar to it for the bleed ramp, it seems like the macro does all of them but roar, I am assuming this is a GCD issue and will just have to have roar done by another input after the GCD correct?

#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/cast Thunderous Roar

[minor lark]

Can you stack demoralizing and roar? Both are on GCD so I dont think it'd stack

[neat geyser]

This is sort of what I am assuming since its not working, but that confirms the suspicion, Avatar/Pot/Demo shout is good enough for me for a burst button

[minor lark]

If it's not on GCD it should work, yeah!

[neat geyser]

Coolio ty, appreciate it!

[warm plinth]

Just confirming here...do you have Avatar or Demo on separate keys besides this one?

[rugged fog]

boots don't give the set bonus

[minor lark]

Right I had a dumb moment

Cheers lmao

[neat geyser]

I do yeah

[rugged fog]

I'm not sure what the purpose of this macro would be for. The chances that all those cooldowns are up at once is silly low.

[icy haven]

how do we value the reshii boots, how many ilvl are the effect worth? i have a champ track version, at what ilvl would i replace with regular boots

[clever heart]

also wondering this. may put embelishment on boots

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't sacrifice item level for them. If I had the choice between them and other same ilevel boots, I'd use them. But that's about it.

[mighty valley]

The boss damage is not close, and boss damage is pretty important (these are raid stats but still a decent representation)

Warrior cc kit isn’t bad either (aoe stun on relatively short cd, aoe interrupt especially)

[round pendant]

HOLY tome owns

damn ghash with the good info

it's a classic

[neat geyser]

Yes and no, works on pull for raid. Also just based on my build and haste etc it seems I can get two demo shouts out for each avatar with the way the rage CD works on avatar. While potion is sort of a crap shoot for when it goes off (which I dont mind very much the way I see it is more damage at any point in the key is getting it timed faster which may be a wrong approach for being 100% optimal). Its also one of those things where I can just track the CD of demo shout and hit the same macro instead of a different button to have it go off.

Basically using the macro as a "Do more damage" button and if they all overlap great, if not no stress

[past laurel]

ring or Heroic boots?

dont have any form of the boots,

[rugged fog]

what boots and rings to you have now?

[past laurel]

sec on rings.

both hero

[mighty valley]

prob take ring, you’ll want myth boots

[hardy snow]

I would take ring, boots will be worse then any other myth track boots anyway

and hero shoes won't be better than champion until spending gilded crests on them

[past laurel]

I dont have a guild to raid with to kill on myth.. Nor do i have the Funds to buy a boost for it lol.

[mighty valley]

Any myth boots from m+ will do

[past laurel]

oh okay, the boots arent that worth even tho its 40%? clock proc.

[hardy snow]

not on tank

[past laurel]

Ahh okay.

Thank you.

[oak ivy]

lets fucking go

im fury main spec for raid but i asked if i could be in on plexus since literally no one else could use it if it dropped
It dropped
with avoidance

[hardy snow]

nice

[jolly gale]

hey guys im new to prot and i was looking at wowhead and they dont take fueled by violence at MT is that right?

[hardy snow]

yes, FbV is good for colosus (tierset and colo tree buffs bleeds), but for Thane its better to take BV

[jolly gale]

ah ok

[hardy snow]

yes, its very good

[shrewd lake]

Is there dungeon pack for MDT that has all of them with one import?

[copper gale]

Eventually you can get pacemaker via dinars system, but it would probably sim better short term. So it’s a long term or short term decision

Might never see myth track gloves or shoulders for a while

[carmine topaz]

If fueled by violence has been buffed and is great, how come only the Colossus build takes it? It's available to both specs, right?

[ruby musk]

Thane gets a shit ton of rage gen to spam IP

More importantly, colossus has a bunch of buffs to bleeds.

[carmine topaz]

So the buffed IP talent is better since we get a lot more chances to renew it. But it's got a limit on the absorb amount, doesn't that talent "overcap" it?

Or is that not really an issue since the absorb gets eaten into really quickly?

[ruby musk]

You'll probably be able to just keep IP up all the time capped or not.

But really I think it's more to do with Colossus having far more bleed damage than Thane

[carmine topaz]

I'm curious if that talent gets made redundant once I'm at the cap since I can't increase it. Looks like I might just be overthinking it though

[ruby musk]

I would just pull bigger

[carmine topaz]

That makes sense

[carmine topaz]

Love it, chad mentality 😄

[restive oak]

anyone have a forgeweaver pylon energy wa that puts a bar over them?

[mighty valley]

If you’re constantly at IP cap, neither of those talent options matter at all, you’re just not dying

[sick merlin]

About how much of our dps does revenge end up being under normal circumstances?

[warm plinth]

Idk, but much assuming thane

Not much*

[vague pivot]

I'm having an issue on mythic forgweaver if anyone else is experiencing. I am assigned not to soak second p1 (aka I taunt off there). In my timeline on logs I taunt at 1:21 (right when bosses finished his cast because I know sometimes bosses immune taunts when casting) I shield slam at 1:22 and clap at 1:23. The issue I am having is my threat immediately drops after taunt ends (the other tank is 10+ yd away not hitting the boss as he is doing soak, he is monk). It is not a consistent thing i can get to recreate, but has happened in 3-4 pulls of 20. Anyone else experiencing this issue?

[solid sun]

:(

We didn't kill Saladbar.

[autumn river]

How often do i spam Ignore pain? I just swapped to tank

[solid sun]

When you hit 70 rage you hit IP

It's a rage dump

[clever heart]

what % buff or at least damage do our 2x emblishments give @ 720 lvl

[restive oak]

all the time

[frosty mango]

Is he a monk?

Yes

Do you have logs? He may be clapping the boss with a harmonic surge

[clever heart]

sorry to be clear. not asking what the uptime is.
wondering how big of an upgrade a 720 emblished piece of gear is vs a 720 unemblished piece.

[restive oak]

i donno off the top of head, but it's not huge

you'd have to sim for the exact .%

[clever heart]

kk allg. Bloodmallet used to track but dont see it there anymore.
debating what to craft rn

[solid sun]

Sim

Can even do a droptemizer for crafted gear if you want

Or you can craft bracers since that's one of our slots

I think belt is the other one?

Wowhead has the list that shows which two crafts are recommended

[warm plinth]

You can sim it using item search on top gear. Set ilevel to 720 crafted, search the piece, click on the one you want to sim, then in the gear section, click the plus sign and choose the embellishment. Make sure both embellish and non embellishment are selected and sim.

I could be wrong but I don't think droptimizer Sims embellishments other than the items that are embellishments by default

[clever heart]

KK ty friends. will try simming.
Just difficult choice because I dont want to put embellishment on wrist because then I can not have Engineering Wrist.

[noble spruce]

Hello
Please consider the setup. Target below 35%. Im in full execute build. What is my rotation? Should i still press shield slam on cd or send execution as much as possible? All this while maintaining shield block buff

[noble spruce]

Ok ive reread the wowhead guide. Shield slam it is

[frosty mango]

This is covered in the wowhead guide

[tacit smelt]

God is real!

[sick merlin]

No son, the devil gave you that

[half jewel]

We had 3 Brands drop tonight on SH

3 new trinkets for OS tanks lol

[tame bramble]

Hello guys, im pretty new to warrior so i need to ask. What would you guys pick from vault ? Currently I have veterang hands so im thinking about hero set piece hands. But also i have a haste mastery ring from Eco Dome. So I was thinking i might pick haste, vers ring.

[half jewel]

Sim it

[true plover]

Asking again to see if anyone has advice. Trying to decide between antenna and this ring from vault. Thinking antenna but not sure.

[sick merlin]

Did you sim it?

I’d think antenna but wouldn’t take long to do a quick sim to see the diff

[tame bramble]

Signet simming better than brand?

[limpid seal]

any advice on upping my damage as prot?

my damage always sucks compared to my counterpart tank

[jaunty fog]

Hi all. I can choose between the myth track mastery/vers ring, or the hero track BiS haste/crit ring. The hero track ring sims better at 710ilvl than the myth track one at 723. Do I just take it? DPS > all?

[limpid seal]

I've got a big focus on shield slam shield block revenge and thunderclap as well as the other iteration of thunder clap that procs

using avatar

dumping rage when needed and still my damage sucks

705 prot warrior

[frosty mango]

i will never pug my way past 3100

how can you be 3k+ and be below the tank on a boss

[pseudo swan]

hey guys new to prot here, is this trinket considered good given it gives

crit?

[limpid seal]

it's decent

[pseudo swan]

better than the delve trinkets?

like i hae this one

[limpid seal]

I like chaos nethergate, currently my favorite trink

[pseudo swan]

and that one

[limpid seal]

got a mythic codex of the technique as well, pretty cool

[frosty wave]

How to sim a fully charged brand ?

If possible

[wanton flax]

What to do guys

[cold mountain]

My three choice are Soleah's trinket, Priory tanking trinket and 1HD weapon from taza the crit haste

I have already crafter 1hander and I have champion antenna and Pacemaker from last season full upgraded

[ionic nimbus]

Pacemaker on my warrior, could be worse

[ionic fern]

That's solid enough.

[torpid dome]

I would go for tome in this case

[mighty valley]

Do you have a log? Would help us figure out what you’re doing

[cold mountain]

what to do?

[torpid dome]

juicy shields

[fallow fern]

3rd week with this POS trinket... anyways I have hero legs and hero ring.. probably better to take myth legs over the ring? or ring cause its BIS..?

[torpid dome]

bis depends on your stat distribution & items
Do you have a catalyst available?

If so, the legs will be guaranteed BIS as well

[fallow fern]

yea i got charges

[cold mountain]

we got today a charge for sure

[torpid dome]

ah right

yeah in that case just sim the ring vs the tier set legs

[cold mountain]

what about me?

[gaunt bolt]

Guys what do you recommend. Have a crafted weapon, pacemaker, sac and soleahs already (trinkets on hc track)

[echo egret]

I have a myth track shield and weapon, and hero track seaforium and sacbrood.
What spec should I open the vault with ?

[cold mountain]

anyone can help plz?

[blazing ridge]

Probably Tome

[torpid dome]

the advice is basically the same as the last few weeks 🤷‍♂️
#protection message

And it's the same situation as this: #protection message

[rigid pasture]

How much Haste do we want? wasnt there a "minimum" cuz of Shield block uptime?

[torpid dome]

somewhere around 23k haste gets you 95+% uptime of shieldblock with ITF

[rigid pasture]

Ah shit... xD

[torpid dome]

Gotta get that haste up up uppity up 🙂

Do you have haste fiber, gems and enchants on ring?

[runic night]

Is there a point where it's considered 'too much Haste'?

[torpid dome]

There's a soft cap and hard at some point as well

but as soon as you hit 95-100% uptime for shield block, I think you're better off going for crit anyways

I was at 28k after I upgraded my neck last week, then I changed all my fibers, enchants and gems to crit, now I'm at 25k

[runic night]

Yeah I'm sitting at 27k Haste right now and debating getting more crit or going into Vers

[torpid dome]

I'd move some stats towrads crit and vers at that point yes

[rigid pasture]

OHHH i have mastery on my back! XD

[torpid dome]

Maybe try to sim it though

[torpid dome]

thats 1,9 haste laying around for you 🙂

[rigid pasture]

Yeah, mastery simmed best for dmg :/ XD

and if i enchant my 2rings to Haste, i would hit 23k flat 😂

[torpid dome]

yeah that's what I'd go for

[frosty wave]

Is it possible to sim brand fully stacked ?

[runic night]

Yeah just replacing the gem in my cloak puts me down to 25k haste and 20k crit

What's the best way to sim for us now, Patchwork 1 target?

[rigid pasture]

Huh... sim says me to go back to crit + Mastery on back xD For bit more dmg

[torpid dome]

that'd be at the cost of SB uptime

Did you spec into ITF?

I'm not actually sure how the sim works for that option

[lament osprey]

Only got a mythic belt with a socket, holy luck

[rigid pasture]

yes i did 😄

[ionic fern]

For st,yes.

[rigid pasture]

i mean it isnt that much increase tho.

so i will stay at 23k haste

[marsh elm]

i assume the aoe sims 5t 1.5m is bad for brand simming?

[ionic fern]

If it doesn't stack up,yes. Might be realistic tho since that's how m+ is.

[forest void]

hey guys quick question what better for us myth track weapon vs craft or good trinkets?

[torpid dome]

depends on the trinkets

[forest void]

oh true im stupid antenne vs haste crit weapon? (my current trinkets are nhc brand and garbage)

[torpid dome]

Antenna is very strong on DPS, it's myth track antenna?
The only thing that I dont like, Antenna has us moving around quite a bit for the effect, no? Could be annoying on some pulls

[forest void]

yeah all on myth im kinda new on warrior i know crit is good for us but not sure how good xD

[frank surge]

im thinking take belt and craft a ring. Maybe even craft boots. Any input? (i know to sim, im not asking for you to predict what will sim better, but simply input on if theres other options i didnt think of simming)

Also how valuable is the 30% cloak effect on champions interlopers? Ive heard from a good tank that its better on tanks than anything else, but its not something you can really sim, i think?

[torpid dome]

The boots effect is very meh on us, it's a nice extra that makes the boots BIS. But basically any Myth track boots > hero track champions interlopers.

[prime sphinx]

id take myth track legs and craft a belt

[frank surge]

cheers

[torpid dome]

and yeah, imo take the legs

craft the belt

[frank surge]

was my first thought aswell, but then i was wondering if i could cook abit harder

cheers for the input guys

[little lark]

Mythic Antenna for M+ stonks?

[frank surge]

quite a lot of the top20 m+ warrs run antenna yea, im guessing most who dont simply dont have it @little lark

[prime sphinx]

antenna is good both st and aoe

basically better pacemaker

[little lark]

its simming a downgrade in ST for me

got tome and brand heroic

[frank surge]

almost no top20 warrs run tome @little lark surprised me abit too

[little lark]

tome is not that good in m+ and with high target counts

the uptime of the critbuff goes down quite a bit

[rough egret]

Bear got its reward for the key 😄

[frank surge]

i did a thorough analysis because i had tome+brand too but pacemaker in vault last week, ended up going with it over tome

[little lark]

i am also surprised by my sim wanting to drop brand in singletarget before i would want to drop tome. With uptime of 97% of the tome damagebuff, brand still did 50% more damage than it

is brand maybe undersimming?

[jagged pier]

brand starts from 0 in sims

[prime sphinx]

fight length?

[jagged pier]

but in ST u wouldnt drop tome ever

if the fights short u drop brand

[little lark]

7 min

im stupid, to not think about the fight length, not awake for that long i guess 😄

on plexus the trinkets were even with same fight length, might also be an issue due to low iterations

[shy bramble]

What's the count you wanna have in nerfed hoa before 2nd boss?

[karmic verge]

Help me pls

[mental scarab]

Brand it snacks

[jagged pier]

no

thats farmable

not taking pace is initing

[pallid quiver]

Pacemaker on myth track is literally only available from vault

and is a cracked trinket

[rough egret]

its shoulders or trinket for OS..

[karmic verge]

I think so too

[torpid dome]

100% take pacemaker

[elder mesa]

i have 704 brand and 710 tome. sim is telling me change brand with antenna or get the myth shield, as we are reclearing 6/8m i havew chance to get sheild and brand mythic from raid (i think i am waiting until after raid anyway) i also have one spark i have both 710 weapon and shield atm

[torpid dome]

your current shield is already myth track 710?

Or heroic track 710?

[jagged pier]

antenna is not better than brand

[elder mesa]

hero track on all of them

[torpid dome]

Oh, 100% go for the shield

[jagged pier]

only on fights that are 5min or less

[jagged pier]

no hes clearing raid a lot

and shield drops from boss 3

[torpid dome]

hmm, fair, but then you'd go for the antenna nonetheless in this case?

[elder mesa]

i was thinking if i dont get shield from loom id pick shield in vault and then craft a weapon if i do get shield from loom id pick antenna and still craft a weapon

[jagged pier]

i dont know how u havent gotten wep off first boss or shield from loom yet

[elder mesa]

my first clear was last week

[grim compass]

i cant decide. already got myth chest. crafted 720 shield and the belt is vers mastery Q_Q.

should have used fury spec maybe 🤷

[torpid dome]

Myth 6/6 shield > Crafted shield

when you craft a shield first, it's always a temporary solution, until you pull a myth track shield from the vault

[grim compass]

just for 3 ilvl?

[torpid dome]

those ilvls are big

[grim compass]

fair. i shall do as you say ❤️

[lime mantle]

Brags: Mythic tome
Beats: ||I basically only do M+ 🥹 ||

Tome is still about the only good thing here, right?

[grim compass]

catalyst myth helm?

[lime mantle]

I have a HC helm with gem :`)

[torpid dome]

What are your current trinkets?

[lime mantle]

Heroic egg & Peacemaker.

Which AFAIK are the best 2 for M+ (outside of brand, which a dps stole (it's okay, he needed it more, he couldn't tank a +10 w/o depleto :^))

[torpid dome]

Egg? you mean sac brood?
I'd 100% take tome to replace sacbrood

[lime mantle]

🥹 Isn't sackbrood better for M+?

[remote hollow]

guys send help... what should i choose... myth legs for catalyst or ceaseless ire from heroic....

my trinks rn is - hero pacemaker+soleah
my set legs are hero atm

[torpid dome]

afaik, no
Sacbrood is good, but it basically gets eclipsed by any S-tier trinket

Tome gives heavy priority damage, which works really well, even in M+

every pack has a mob you either want to die faster, or a mob that has more hp than others

[lime mantle]

Damn fair, anyone got the WA handy?

[torpid dome]

that's what you target

[sudden grotto]

is antenna bis for prot

[hard wolf]

DO i get antenna? current trinkets Tome (Hero track) Pacemaker (Myth track) Current rings Champion track crit/haste hero track crit/mastery. Sim says to get ring

[sudden grotto]

I have this rn

[fathom oasis]

i swear 90% of people posting their vaults have tome as one of their choices

[torpid dome]

I'd go brand & antenna in that situation, what's the rest of the vault?

[torpid dome]

yeah and it's often the easiest choice ever lmao

[sudden grotto]

only hands or antenna are an option

[fathom oasis]

are people posting just to humble brag about tome?

[torpid dome]

meanwhile I'm at 20x prio clears now, never seen a tome 🥲

[fathom oasis]

or is it like very % chance it drops on vault

40x prio clears here

[sudden grotto]

i'm simply wondering whether going antenna is hard to play in high keys due to it griefing movement potentially? and also hard to see / keep track of it due to the nature of tanking

[acoustic grotto]

Hello ! Got ara-kara sac in vault. Should i replace one of my trinket for m+ (14+) ?
(I took it mainly for my offspec firstly)

[torpid dome]

ooff

[torpid dome]

yeah that's the only worry I have on antenna

especially if you PUG often. Top 20 most use antenna's, but they are in coordinated groups and they 100% know when they can move and when they can't move

I wouldn't trust myself, or pugs enough with antenna when I'm pushing lmao

[jagged pier]

i bet no one is simming antenna at a miss chance

which will happen

[torpid dome]

yep

Will happen quite regularry

at least it should, first pull prio, I'm not gonna mvoe too much lmao

[fathom oasis]

i wouldnt, but you can level tome for free to 707

[sudden grotto]

whether it's pugging or not i see no difference really, i dont think i want to go into the middle of a pack to get a ball

or have to keep track of a random spawn ball

whilst i already have a lot of other things to worry about

thanks for the inputs

[acoustic grotto]

Yes i will upgrade tome to 710 anyway this week

I simed and on 1target, ara sacbrood is better than soleah
But at aoe, ara sac is better than tome. But i think the tome sim weird

[viscid lantern]

no, you're just really really really unlucky

[fathom oasis]

ah that's right you already took it from vault. I think it might be a straight upgrade from soleah, if you use it for haste?

because the version you are showing is the 707 but it'll go up quite high if you level it to 723

[fathom oasis]

i was doing some rough numbers and, if you have a 40% chance to get an item, and a 1/8 (12.5%) for it to be tome, it comes up to a rough 5% chance - that is 1 in 20 chance

that means there is a (0.95)^40 = 12.85% chance to not have seen it after 40 runs

it isn't that unlucky

[acoustic grotto]

Yep in 723 i think it just better than soleah haste overall indeed

[meager needle]

anyone with a new suggestion for HOA ? lot of mobs disapeared

[tame jasper]

Is there somewhere descripted how HC raid boots with the closck-buff compare to regular mythic boots (higher ilvl). Both for tanks as well as DPS?

[jagged pier]

for tanks myth boots are better

for dps and healers hero spiecal boots are better till myth boots

[tame jasper]

I assumed that

[wide cosmos]

need help guys, have champ Ire, have crafted wrist, and hero shoulders.. is sacbroodthat good to be picked or hero version of ceaseless ire?

[jagged pier]

myth shoulders

[tame jasper]

This

[wide cosmos]

yeah was leaning towards it.. appreciate the input!

[gentle ore]

So
Weapon in vault (got 720 crafted)
Vs Mythic Helm (to tier obv)
Sim says helmet is more dmg, but gut feel is get weapon (crit/haste)

[tranquil river]

what flask do we use for M+ on 14++ keys?

[gentle ore]

Think its still Chaos unless you need more haste/vers

[fathom oasis]

do you know if mdt already reflects the change?

[meager needle]

threechest does, didn't updated addons yet

[fathom oasis]

it might be too soon

i think we try to get as many gargos as we can, now

[prisma nexus]

Got Sockel Vault .........

[strong meteor]

Hi guys. So returning prot tank here, only have done a few m+. I have been healer since df and want to make a tank so i can have my fav roles ready for play.

The question is simple, on bosses my SB is falling for a few seconds (3-4). Trying to refresh only with one second left bur still from time to time it falls down.

Its normal or im doing something wrong?

[sick merlin]

What’s your haste rating?

[neon elk]

Are u using sc to fill the gaps ? Also don stress about "refreshing" that much, sb duration stack to (almost?) 3 times its duration , so unless its like end of fight just send it @strong meteor

[ivory quiver]

why do all the top tanks use diff builds bro...ppl are cooking random shit

[torpid dome]

because all the top tanks are top tanks because they fully understand the class

they pick what works for them

while if you follow a 'general build' you pick what works for 80% of the people or something

[ivory quiver]

sure but there's probably a correct answer to shield spec vs enduring alacrity or w/e, I doubt that is really down to 'personal preference'

just interesting

[jagged pier]

there is and its shield spec

they dont have full understanding of the class if all 6 tanks as they ahve to play them, the current statement they say is, well we arent dying to blockable damage

yet they are deciding just to take more damage for not taking shield spec

the difference of not having shield spec, is like running a 700 ilvl shield vs a 723

[ivory quiver]

not taking whirling blade seems crazy to me

in something like gambit

but there is kira not running it, massacre instead.

tryin to figure out the thought processes

[jagged pier]

you would have to ask him

but whirling blade would do more than massacre

[ivory quiver]

maybe there is some divine wisdom to be gleaned, or maybe just some dude picking random shit

[jagged pier]

epeically as they dont run red right hand

so you just loose a load of damage on execute

let alone the damage and rage gen from whirling blade too

[ivory quiver]

massacre feels great on bosses but the whirling blade rage gen is sweet on trahs

not sure how I feel about bloodsuge tho

[jagged pier]

the big one which some ppl are running which makes no sense to me is blood borune

but each to there own

[dapper notch]

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-bloodborne-gif-13663686

[ivory quiver]

also why the fuck do gem sockets cost 3k

[jagged pier]

ppl like making money

its also wednesday

wait for monday tuesday

before the goblins buyout and relist

thats:
execute + BB
execute + SD
top ppls build + whirling
top ppls build + masscre
standard wow head push build

[past locust]

Hey im chilling on 40% haste. is that too much?

[jagged pier]

at 5 targets 3 mins

[jagged pier]

what rating?

[past locust]

just over 23k

[vale escarp]

I got like 28 and sims want me to enchant Vers, maybe just Sim yourself to find out

[jagged pier]

28 is too much

at about 25k u want to switvh

[past locust]

i am lacking a bit of Crit, atm its Haste vers mast crit

[vale escarp]

I know, switched gems and enchants, should have just used another thing on the cloak to safe some gold

[jagged pier]

doing a bit of simming quickly, the build is basically top kinda nearly top simming build basically, shield spec is like 120kish drop in aoe, and like a 60k is drop in ST, damage does matter at top keys, but eh those are small margins

so preference i guess

[wet sigil]

so is there a WA or addon that can track what stance tome of light devotion is in? i hate searching my buff bar mid combat

[jagged pier]

yer just go search on WAs

theres probably loads

[past locust]

https://wago.io/Hmra1_032/1

[sudden lynx]

How does tome of lights devotion work?

KIDDING

I read the pin

Just want to flex that I just got my 2nd one for the season xd

[past locust]

macro it into Disrupting Shout

[lunar flare]

Bitch I've got 3

I am the tomeman

[wet sigil]

oh good idea!!

[sudden lynx]

Most literate warrior mains

[lunar flare]

TRULY

[jagged pier]

further on this the higher we go in target count the less the gap is, thats at 10 targets

[lunar flare]

Oh dang I forgot to screenshot my vault so I could ask Jakey to do all the cognitive processing for me, sorry man

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[lunar flare]

A rare parks and rec wow gif

[jagged pier]

yer and yet

ppl still wont sim before asking

[past locust]

Simmed, Told me to replace all haste gems and enchants

[jagged pier]

yes

[past locust]

including cloak

[jagged pier]

because at a point i.e 25k rating

[fathom oasis]

blasphemites are through the roof

[jagged pier]

u should really start with other stats as u dont want 0 of any

[fathom oasis]

many alchs probably stopped logging and doing their transmutes

[jagged pier]

ppl really dont learn, u stockpile before each tier

and in first tier before the pstch launches

as ppl always reset the prices

still going through potions and flasks i picked up before season 2 start for dirt cheap,

[dusky canopy]

Goodluck EU gang! Loot something cool today

[lunar flare]

I got a myth track helm 🙂

[blazing ridge]

god damn, Soul Hunters Heroic, Brand drop, suddenly healer and dps rolling on it, like 10 people rolled for it. God damn another week without it. At this point I will probably just need to buy it in turbo boost patch-_-

[jagged pier]

Yer i got tome....... on my alt

[sudden lynx]

you can stop earlier if you want, minimum is 21k for into the fray

But after 25k its kind of whatever to have more haste imo, better to invest in other stats

23k is good, my preferred amount is 23-24k

[strong meteor]

12% (im not in game, seeing in armory, 690 ilvl)

[dusky canopy]

[sudden lynx]

You are giving up a huge amount of damage, you'll still have basically 100% SB uptime with ITF at that haste

[dusky canopy]

That is the worst possibility

[strong meteor]

I use between SB. Probably is a haste problem

[sudden lynx]

21k

At least 100% in combat, should be yeah

The trick is to also hit shield charge on cooldwon and to always keep shield block rolling

[jagged pier]

there is no amount of haste that will give u 100% uptime

just the more haste u have the longer it takes toget a gap

[sudden lynx]

If youre like giga chaining then you might have gaps but should be fine

[jagged pier]

/ the shoter the gaps are

[sudden lynx]

Functionally it is close enough

Tbh sims are a little whatever in m+

There's so much variance in pulls and such that you cant really pick one set of criteria

You can do like 5-8 targets maybe for like a minute or something? People act like sims are the end all be all but in m+ you're really just doing fancy feelycrafting

Sure if you want

Thats a decent idea

I don't really think about it too much tbh

[sick merlin]

[deft vessel]

my late-to-season ass at ilvl 699 and only 2/4 tier.... not a single hero track tier piece 🙁 but hey I got book finally 😭

hero track book probably won't replace until myth book

[sudden lynx]

I do some amount of targets for some amount of time, and I make sure that both sims (i.e. pre-and-post gear/talent change) are using the same conditions

[deft vessel]

I do need to learn to use the book though, is it mostly - use the active when it swaps to offense?

[sudden lynx]

There's a pinned message

[blazing ridge]

HoA route? Can we add the Trolls at pull 4 without pulling hound pack near it?

[sudden lynx]

Then ig consider how an actual pull would go? Are you pulling 5 mobs at a time or 8? Does it vary?

[deft vessel]

should I understand this then that in m+ it loses a lot of value? Or is the icd enough to prevent that from happening, i.e. use at start of pull, use as soon as cooldown is up (if i'm in defense mode)?

[sudden lynx]

If in shield, swap to sword

Perma stay in sword

Should be all I think

[vocal root]

Myth sacbrood, or a myth belt crit/vers? My trinkets are hero soleah and voidstone, don't laugh please...

[sick merlin]

Just spend as much time in sword mode as you can

[deft vessel]

okay, I guess I'll see how it is in practice

[vocal root]

Sacbrood sims kinda low idk

[deft vessel]

sacbrood is pretty peak still imo, haste + proc + str

[vocal root]

Yea im kinda leaning that way

[deft vessel]

I'd fish for a better belt, still a good month until delve belt goes away (if you don't already have a better one)

[vocal root]

Sounds good ty ty

[past laurel]

what order do we upgrade the none myth items?

being hero level.

[dusky canopy]

Generally , helm/chest/legs are worth a lot of stats

Trinkets next

[past laurel]

ah okay

[jagged pier]

i mean if its not myth

dont upgrade it past 704

[dusky canopy]

Ehh yeah I get the long term idea but I personally send all crests each week after reclear is done and we’re on the prog boss

I think it’s fair to your team to be as strong as possible for that week

[north barn]

guys what haste and crit % is good spot, i have 31% crit and 48% haste

[dusky canopy]

400% each

[solid sun]

Supercharged

[dusky canopy]

If I was a lazy gamer I’d go for atleast 40% haste and then stack as much Crit as I could everywhere else with mastery/vers as the backup stats

Simming is the best options however for being as optimal as you can be, damage wise

[solid sun]

We use rating, not percents

[native ember]

anyone got an updated HOA route since the nerfs ?

[solid sun]

Follow the North Star

[north barn]

ok thank you

[dusky canopy]

25,000 haste stat is good

Go for that atleast if you’re yoloing

[north barn]

i am off tanking raid cuz our guild has no tanks and doing +10 for guildies otherwise i play arms

[dusky canopy]

Ahh then just use your arms gear

Ez

[solid sun]

What do you do as arms

Higher than 10 keys?

[dusky canopy]

I think he plays the roll of a damage dealer

As arms

[solid sun]

Doubtful. It’s arms

[dusky canopy]

[solid sun]

[dusky canopy]

I hope they fixed my beloved spec

This fury nonsense is something else

Ungabunga

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/raiva-pc-gif-3181422635263582123

[narrow jay]

Whats everyone's thoughts on the astral antenna i got it myth track from vault so I started using it in M+ along side my brand. I replaced my myth Tome for the Myth Antenna and for raid ill be replacing the hero brand for Tome. I guess what I'm saying is, is myth Tome as bad as the Sims say for aoe compared to Myth Antenna?

[north barn]

i have a group and we are doing 11-13 maybe higher this week 😄 i am asking cuz i got nothing in my last 2 vaults and i took neck and finger for tank and was wondering if i didnt over do haste 😄

[dusky canopy]

Antenna is pretty much an “aoe trinket” so it’s good for M+ yeah, tome is good for parsing bosses in raid afaik

[solid sun]

Prio dam

[dusky canopy]

Fair enough Goodluck!

[north barn]

ty ty

[lean furnace]

what do you guys like to run as your dps offspec? I've ran fury a few times since it's the easier one, but the stat prio is backwards and getting two 2h is crappy, but I'm not sure it's worth learning arms

[solid sun]

Prot warrior

[pseudo swan]

What’s the right crafting order now, shield, weapon, then armor?

[solid sun]

Yes, assuming you don’t have shield or weapon already

Embellish recommendations are wrist and belt iirc. Can check wowhead to verify

[dusky canopy]

I always craft my shield with intelligence stat first each tier so I can make decisions better

[frosty mango]

Whatever is better. Stat blends are a nonissue this late in the expansion because stat budgets are so high you can largely fix any stat issue with a few pieces of jewelry

The larger issue for fury early season is getting two 2 handers which is ass

Getting one 2 hander is ass but it’s half as ass as two

That’s math that maths

[dusky canopy]

I’d rather have full ass than half ass

You know what I’m saying?

[frosty mango]

Right so if you run fury with two heroic weapons are you half ass or whole ass

Or one quarter ass

[lunar flare]

Ass

[vale escarp]

You should take a socket

[dusky canopy]

Two half asses make one full ass and four quarter asses also make one full ass so either way I end up with a full ass and I’m happy

[frosty mango]

So what I take from this conversation is that it doesn’t matter

I mean I’m currently playing smf because I have two mythic 1 handers lol

[dusky canopy]

I’m going to pretend that I didn’t read that

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

And move on

[frosty mango]

Smf, 30000 haste, I am the ultimate troll

Still top 5 dps

[dusky canopy]

Imagine

Lmao

SMF enjoyer

[frosty mango]

Listen

[violet ginkgo]

we are listening

[frosty mango]

As long as they keep dying

I’ll keep looking good

I don’t want to be a smf Andy but you gotta play the hand you’re dealt

[vale escarp]

You use haste on your cloak?

[frosty mango]

lol yes but only because I’m not redoing my shit in the rare scenario I need to dps

[dusky canopy]

I bet it would literally be more dps to equip auction house 2h greens than it is to talent smf

[frosty mango]

I really don’t think so, the one handers simmed higher lol

[vale escarp]

Tbh cheapest way to change some stats, just use a Public Order and Change stats

[dusky canopy]

You mean you didn’t farm every mythic plus jewelry piece week 1?

[pseudo swan]

Got it thanks, quick question

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t matter soon enough, I’ll snake a mythic 2 hander from alt raid and craft one in a few weeks

[pseudo swan]

does it matter if that embellishment is on shield vs wrist / belt?

this is the shield i have

and weapon

so i was thinking shield first, then weapon, then wrist because i have the disc belt which seems to be pretty high item level for now

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t matter where you put your embellishments but I personally would not recommend putting them on weap/shield bc you will eventually replace those with vaults

[strong meteor]

What build you use. I main prot but sometimes i going dps and only have one lousy two hander

[frosty mango]

But at the same time recrafting isn’t really hard

[frosty mango]

I go to wowhead and click export

Sometimes I read

[strong meteor]

I didnt know they have smf builds. Don’t click fury in a while

[frosty mango]

I flipped the for smf

I don’t remember the talent name

Only the face

Honestly don’t play smf unless it sims higher

[dusky canopy]

Viscous Contempt

lol

Makes BT do execute damage

[frosty mango]

I’m relatively sure the only reason mine sims higher is bc my 2 handers are poop

[pseudo swan]

oh hmm

[frosty mango]

Really a question of short vs long term

I don’t think it really matters if you don’t mind recrafting later

People have weirdly strong opinions on where to craft what

[strong meteor]

I miss gladiator so much 🤣😅

[frosty mango]

Anyway, my key started as a 16 this week and it’s now a 12 after the worlds worst string of luck

[pseudo swan]

got it that makes sense

thank you!

[dry skiff]

Heroic Tome vs Champion Antena for m+, Choose

[dusky canopy]

??? Resil ???

[frosty mango]

I’m missing one key for 15 resil - dawnbreaker bc it’s cursed

I have a 12

I was lamenting that yesterday lol

[dusky canopy]

I need HoA and Flood for resil 15
(They’re both 14s)

[barren basalt]

Is it worth to spend violent outburst on thunder blast in ST?

[dusky canopy]

We’ll do double warrior keys ez

[barren basalt]

If not, what target count is breakpoint?

[frosty mango]

Log on last night, rip the eco 16 - get to second boss with 18 minutes left, dh says my route is shit (?) and voted abandon. Fails, proceeds to purposely die repeatedly.

Next go - mage respecs frost just before we go, first pull does 5m dps and says “sry this is bad” and leaves

Third go on the 14 the monk dies to ground circle on first pull, gets ressed, dies to ground circle, leaves

Finally on the last go the rogue disconnects on the second boss and doesn’t come back

[frosty mango]

This is covered in the wowhead guide in detail

[frosty mango]

Hoa is basically free now

I personally think flood is free but people for some reason seem to short circuit after swampface

[barren basalt]

in what world is this covered in detail

[frosty mango]

In the rotation section

There is a detailed breakdown for both st and aoe priorities

[carmine topaz]

is it a good idea to craft a belt right now? or is the disc belt still too good?

[frosty mango]

It got/is getting (did that go live?) nerfed pretty hard

So belt is probably a decent play?

[jagged pier]

crafted belt out simmed ti for me on second spark

[carmine topaz]

I thought it was getting nerfed this reset but I dont know if it has been yet

[frosty mango]

Floodgate belt out simmed it for me so I dumped it and crafted bracers

[jagged pier]

its an emblishemtn belt for me

[dusky canopy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dmenotEfnmURcTmhMPXqR2

Belts gone finally

I was happy

@frosty mango

[frosty mango]

Big weapons

I’m still rocking lfr brand so I am still vaulting prot