protection

[mellow bridge]

the whole "dont kick"-thing is fake af

[frosty mango]

I didn’t have wall at all but I reflected 2

If dps troll me w kick ill send reflect on the inner fire bc its up again for the next smite set

[high latch]

If people insta-kick the smites then it does offset her casts and can make her empower before blinding light. Ideally people kick late so it doesn't happen.

[frosty mango]

I only got one reflect off there bc my dps are rude and mean

[fathom oasis]

Ah, so delaying the kick should be enough, then

Good to know

[frosty mango]

Ideally you reflect 1, kick 2, let third through each set

That should keep her from overlapping without blowing you up

If you kick all 3 then it will def overlap and if you kick 2/3 it really just depends when you kick

[round pendant]

they need to sort that shit out honestly

I'm so sick of kick timings just fucking things over

[frosty mango]

IMO not a problem

Smite always goes on you and it’s unlikely you’re gonna die from some smites lol

[round pendant]

yeah not kicking is better than kicking badly

[fathom oasis]

It's kinda weird, like how are you even supposed to know that kicking a cast can offset the bosses cast sequence

[round pendant]

but kicking should always be better

and not have some weird variance

[high latch]

Yeah I think it's fine. At the difficulty where it really matters you can outplay it.

[slender bison]

Just another spell queue timing bullshit like the Dawnbreaker boss. Don't worry

[frosty mango]

At the level where it matters that’s honestly the least of your worries

[dusky canopy]

Can they let the dawn breaker first boss move while casting so it doesn’t just sit in the pools and start channeling death beams with all melee comp

[round pendant]

just cause it "doesn't matter" doesn't mean it shouldn't be made consistent

[fathom oasis]

Love it when DB boss plants her feet and refuses to move

Even after being kicked

[frosty mango]

And imo even at like 17+ getting hit with an empowered smite isn’t even really relevant it’s just min maxy

[slender bison]

Her spell queue is bugged since S1

[dusky canopy]

Yeah it’s the most dogshit thing

[frosty mango]

She will teleport to you

[lunar flare]

God this shit annoys me so much. She finishes a cast of something and just STANDS THERE

[fathom oasis]

DB is all sorts of fucked anyways

[frosty mango]

Leap before each one way out of range

[high latch]

Sure, I agree with that. I think it would be a nice change if they fix the sequencing regardless of kick timings, but it's not a huge deal.

[dusky canopy]

Bricked a handful of 15s because the damn boss will NOT move after being kicked twice in a row

Like bruh

Blizzard

Pls

[frosty mango]

It’s dumb you gotta do it like that but if you leap she will move

[fathom oasis]

I've never had her tp to me

[frosty mango]

Also dependent on your dps baiting properly

[fathom oasis]

Is that a distance thing?

[round pendant]

Yeah I just don't think you should get "punished" at all for doing the correct thing (kicking) without an indication that timing matters

[frosty mango]

She will, you gotta be way outta range

[dusky canopy]

All melee don’t “bait properly”

The boss should just move when kicked

If not channeling death beams

[high latch]

True

[dusky canopy]

Idk why that’s so hard for blizzard

[frosty mango]

IMO there is something janky

With server client resolution there

[warm plinth]

Easy fix would be to just whitelist her buff so it doesnt affect blinding light

[frosty mango]

Bc her teleport is more like rubber banding

[round pendant]

db is just not worth the effort without 2 ranged players

[slender bison]

It's not consistent. Sometimes she does the obsidian beam after the shadow debuff with no shadow bolts between. Or you kick the bolt and she casts stuff instead of moving

[round pendant]

that boss being obnoxious with melee comp + all the bugs is just a hard pass

[fathom oasis]

I still remember the old logic behind when last DB boss leaves (I think they changed it and now always leaves at 60.0)

[frosty mango]

Imo easier w all melee comp

[fathom oasis]

It was such and odd decision

[frosty mango]

Bc you can control where pools are

[dusky canopy]

I mean yeah that too just overall inconsistent buggy ass boss

[frosty mango]

No dumb ranged to troll you

[lunar flare]

I would rather play nokhud offensive than dawnbreaker

[frosty mango]

Stuff the boss in a corner and then move it lol

[fathom oasis]

It left at 60.x% where the x was the percent you left it at in the boat

[round pendant]

when I play with ranged they always just put the pools at the edge of the boat, I never have to move the boss

[dusky canopy]

4 more 15s to go I think I’m chillin with resil 15s might do a few if the “easy” 16s for little extra io

But forget trying to do 20 dawnbreaker this season

Sounds miserable

[lunar flare]

When I play with ranged they all stack on top of me 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[frosty mango]

What bricks most of my dawns at 15+ is either healer can’t handle debuff, or boss phases and all the dps fly off before the healer can clear them and they die

[round pendant]

It prob helps that the ranged players I'm referring to are my friends

[slender bison]

Yeah, week 1 wipefest and now all range bait the boss portals properly

[lunar flare]

You are lucky!

[round pendant]

people still dip instantly in 15s? lmao

that's strange people stopped doing that in mine around 12s

[frosty mango]

Yes people are bad at all levels of play

[slender bison]

Dawnbreaker is free key. And now Halls will be free too next to Streets

[dusky canopy]

Oh man I mistakenly forgot to let the healer absorb fall off before flying off in one of my dawn attempts yesterday

The monk tank was quite mad at me lmao

[fathom oasis]

You guys don't run melee cleave with a pally healer so you can 5man zugfest in melee range?

You guys are missing out

[solid sun]

Holy Paladins are as close to resto druids as you can get

They're both fake as heck

[frosty mango]

I ain’t gonna doxx folks but…

[lunar flare]

12

[frosty mango]

That’s the last key I ran last night

For interrupts

At the end they say “rough key”

Ya think?

[dusky canopy]

First key after work so I was just vibin with tunes cranked and died mid flight “ope that’s right mechanics”

[slender bison]

Halls or Flood?

[dusky canopy]

Poor monk

[frosty mango]

It’s a halls and 57 of mine are reg kick

[solid sun]

Gotta be Halls

[frosty mango]

I am regularly at 50+ on any class there

[round pendant]

lmao

[dusky canopy]

That key required 200 kicks basically before the changes today

[warm plinth]

Should look at the scoreboard thing. Details only records successful kicks, not ones that overlapped or got fucked by a cc stopping the cast first

[slender bison]

Now Halls gargoyles will be free count. Two of them are 6% and they don't do shit

[frosty mango]

I did, it only gets worse

[fathom oasis]

Yeah

[round pendant]

I thought I was shit at kicking as rogue cause I'm hard focusing on doing my rogue shit

and then I look at details and I'm always #1

[raw parcel]

Ooh, so Halls won't be a pain now? 😄 Yaaaay

[dusky canopy]

By the sounds of it should be significantly more enjoyable

[round pendant]

I already enjoyed it

now it'll be chill

[dusky canopy]

A lot less kicks required

[lunar flare]

Speaking of halls, where do you guys tank the miniboss at the end? I put him in the middle of two sets of chairs/pews/whatever

[fathom oasis]

I hate when shamans keep dropping random capacitor totems and by the time mobs need to be stopped they are stun immune

[slender bison]

No, they nerfed it so much its basically giga pull dungeon now

[warm plinth]

Pull to one set of adds, move as the adds die

[fathom oasis]

Random capacitor, into evoker breath into dh meta and you cant stun anymore

[dusky canopy]

Gaming

[lunar flare]

Thank you for sharing

[round pendant]

The one perk of still being stuck as colossus

[warm plinth]

Or if you have gigablasters and lust, you can lust after first heal cast and try to burn

[round pendant]

knockup shockwave

[frosty mango]

Shaman never use thunderstorm

It irks me

[slender bison]

Second heal. Nobody can do 1st heal even with BL and CDs

Unless they have arms/assa

[warm plinth]

Eh?

[round pendant]

my friend's playing resto sham this season and it's so fucking good

[warm plinth]

I said after first heal

[frosty mango]

Hunter can mortal strike

[round pendant]

knockups, stuns, insane heals, skyfury

[frosty mango]

With wasp

[round pendant]

I LOVE SHAMMY

[dusky canopy]

@frosty mango I started being a good lad and talenting rally again

[fathom oasis]

Just have them unbind their capacitor totem

When running with a pwarr

Or use it intelligently

[frosty mango]

Does it make you feel good to press it

I basically use it as a group health pot now lol

[round pendant]

I saved a whole key from bricking with rally

Feels good man

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

I've def been using rally.

[lunar flare]

I press rally, groups dies anyway

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[round pendant]

healer 1hp

rally

healer 1hp again

manages to heal himself up

[lunar flare]

Clutch gameplay

[fathom oasis]

Rally would feel better to push if it didnt take up a global

[dusky canopy]

I have to give credit to one of my warrior brothers tho

I was not running it and he says “bro why you being clown”

Play safe big io

[warm plinth]

I run it and use it. No real reason not to.

[round pendant]

I'd say half my rallies are "oops that was useless" and the other half are "holy shit I just saved everyone's life"

[dusky canopy]

Mantra

[lunar flare]

What were you taking instead of it?

[dusky canopy]

Fury gamer talent build so was running stuff related to that instead

[slender bison]

Since most dungeons are mounted, quick footwork lost value, so it's usually honed or fear shout

Or drop crackling and have both

[dusky canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/slayer/DAOBUVBUFRBYVIpRUBUNVUFUUBVRRahQRCEQEFVVUBF

Not relevant to Prot at all

But running like this

[undone beacon]

What the frick

[round pendant]

Fury owns

[dusky canopy]

Where is @lusty grotto

Rise and grind!!

[dusky canopy]

Yeah the class tree is actually pretty nice as far as having points to float around for varying niches uses

[frosty mango]

Nim is up

Bro is working

[dusky canopy]

Like you don’t need rumbling earth on a turbo aoe stun comp because shits DRd anyway for example

[frosty mango]

He’s got a real office job like me

Except he actually has to do work

I just tell other people to do work

Right now I’m yelling at a vendor, very productive

[lunar flare]

Ah so you're a project manager

[round pendant]

I wonder if I'll get boots today

when helping my friend with his vault slots

[frosty mango]

No, not really

I’m more of a….cybersecurity and cloud ops firefighter?

If I am putting my hands on the keyboard to do actual ground level work something very very bad has happened lol

[solid sun]

I’m a glorified babysitter

“I’ve been doing this for 30 years but can you still explain to me how to handle this basic task, Rhino?”

“Oh I didn’t know I needed to go piss in the portacan. I thought just anywhere was fine”

[frosty mango]

This happens everywhere

“What do you mean you didn’t do your training because you couldn’t figure out how to log in. You’re a fucking senior developer and you can’t figure out how to log in to a website?”

[round pendant]

How old are you roid

[frosty mango]

39

About to be 40

But I’m still 39

[round pendant]

[solid sun]

Ha you’re older than me!

But only barely

[frosty mango]

I wasn’t always an office dweller

I used to have a much cooler job but it didn’t pay great lol

[round pendant]

The reason I asked is I feel like as you get older the cognitive wall you have to climb to do even basic tasks just gets worse and worse and people just wanna be told rather than figure it out

I'm 29 and I already feel myself getting dumber

[frosty mango]

No I find people are just inherently lazy

And bad at time management

[round pendant]

I'm probably looking at it through my adhd lens

[frosty mango]

I think what you experience as cognitive wall at work is more likely burnout or complacency

Or at least that’s my read on most folks

They’re capable of doing it, but getting over the hurdle to actually will yourself to do it is hard

[dusky canopy]

I get to manufacture spaceship parts and firearms

[round pendant]

For me it's adhd but my adhd is getting worse as I get older

[dusky canopy]

Pretty neat

🤓

[round pendant]

complacency somewhat too ig

[frosty mango]

I used to test mil vehicles and weapons

[dusky canopy]

Oh no shit!?

[frosty mango]

We overlap on the venn diagram of cool shit

[dusky canopy]

That’s awesome!!

[neon elk]

Ngl i have coworkers i would test stuff on .. even like a bat or something would do

[round pendant]

[dusky canopy]

One of my prototype projects recently assembled and fired rounds out of the first 5 work pieces the engineer couldn’t believe it lmao

[neon elk]

Imo they should legalize fist fights on workplace

[dusky canopy]

So based lmao

[frosty mango]

I’ve done all kinds of shit. I was a project construction manager for retail stores and managed new store builds and remodels. I tested weapons and vehicles, I worked for army cyber, I was a cyber strategy writer, a cloud architect, more recently a lot of cloud operations and cost modeling and senior program stuff

🤷 I see cool job I try to get cool job I do cool job

Variety is the spice of life

[undone beacon]

Imagine working, what a nerd

[mortal cypress]

I see a sandwich and I want to eat it, and if I see someone else with a sandwich when I don thave one, im like "hey why does he have a sandwich and I dont have a sandwich"

[undone beacon]

Oh Roid idk if I told you but I ended up accepting a new job as a SOC Engineer for a hospital system

I’m going to be managing their EDR/SIEM

[dusky canopy]

Queso+Doritos for breakfast

[mortal cypress]

Whats an SOC and whats an EDR/SIEM

all ic an think of is DDR

https://tenor.com/view/monty-oum-dance-ddr-game-groovy-gif-5117621

[dusky canopy]

Words of science

[undone beacon]

Security Operations Center, Endpoint Detection and Response, Security Information and Event Management

[frail river]

Is mythic cursed stone idol worth taking out of the vault for m+? I currently have hero Ire and So'leah's. The only other valid option is a ring of panoply (myth) or hero antenna

[mortal cypress]

That sounds like nerd shit to me

[undone beacon]

Essentially I’m gonna sit in my home office and look at dashboards and go “wow that guys computer has a virus I better yell at them”

[frosty mango]

Huuuuge

No more sales

[undone beacon]

I’m so happy to be out of sales

That shit is so demoralizing

[frosty mango]

That’s because it is

[undone beacon]

Idol is very good but has a cast time. It’ll be better than So’leahs but we always say

[mortal cypress]

only if you are selling stuff people dont want....noone wants to buy "pants you sew yourself"

[frosty mango]

Idol is big m+ dam when used correctly just make sure you shield wall when using it at higher keys or you’ll get blasted

[round pendant]

is it comparable to grieftorch?

grieftorch my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/manic-grieftorch-my-beloved-gif-8641319427395229062

LOL it exists

[undone beacon]

Its more that the company I worked for distributed almost exclusively to the federal government so not only did we have to fight with end-users to get them interested we had to fight with vendors to support us

[frosty mango]

I think pashs problem was he was more in the “things people need but are too much of cheapskates to buy” category lol

[undone beacon]

That too lol

[frail river]

Seems like most of the top tanks on raider io have hero ire and attena is hero attena > mythic idol?

[round pendant]

top tanks are bad at the game

[undone beacon]

Hero Ire + Hero Antenna both farmable, mythic idol is not

[frosty mango]

Antenna is farmable, and also more consistent

Antenna and idol are comparable but idol = burst

Mythic idol would generally outsim anything at 5 targets I imagine

[undone beacon]

Yeah if you do a lot of M+ then idol is gonna be pretty slick

If you have shitter rings/stats though the ring might win out for more general use

[dusky canopy]

Myth sac in my vault today surely

[frosty mango]

TLDR sim yoself

I need mythic brand

[undone beacon]

Myth Codex in my vault today surely

[frosty mango]

I am using lfr brand

It hurts me

[undone beacon]

I have killed Soul Hunters on two tanks on three difficulties every week since season launch and i havent even seen one drop

[frosty mango]

I’ve seen it drop multiple times and every time it goes to the other tank who can’t hold threat or some gray parsing offspec melee carry

[undone beacon]

Its becoming a running joke in my guild

[undone beacon]

This hurts me

[shrewd lake]

Yeah the guy said I was going the wrong way, then said we needed to go other side. Then got Mad when I actually listened to him

[undone beacon]

I just dont think the damn thing exists at this point fr

[shrewd lake]

That makes sense thank you

[frail river]

I have devout zealot and collapsing stars(hero) rn, the ring choice in the vault would be ring of panoply

[undone beacon]

[solid sun]

Is ire really considered farmable?

[small steeple]

This scares me, a 10 HoA, the fact that a 49 parse across all key levels for a BM is literally half of a 48 parse for arms across all key levels is absolutely absurd
To top it all, the hunter didn't have a lust pet either

[lusty grotto]

as opposed to myth key trinkets, yes

because those you cant farm

at all

[undone beacon]

Raid trinkets are because they have a repeatable drop source

Myth M+ trinkets have no reliable way to target

[mellow bridge]

you are looking at it wrong

parse% for m+ just shows how high the key is in comparison to the highest keys ran on that spec

you need to look at the key% where the BM managed to get a clean 0

aka the worst logged BM +10 HoA

[small steeple]

Did you miss the part where I said the parse % is across all key levels? I was commenting that across all key levels, a 49 for BM is literally half of a 48 for Arms

[dusky canopy]

He did worse than a BM afking at the start

Now that’s impressive

[small steeple]

but yeah that too lol

[small steeple]

sorry didn't mean to come across as passive agressive here

[mellow bridge]

but it isnt

that's not what it means

[small steeple]

But it is, the parse % is specifically for the dungeon, ignoring key level, thats why there is a separate key %

[dusky canopy]

Both those specs are about dead nuts even for highest keys completed is what that percentage is telling you

Arms is slightly ahead

[mellow bridge]

yes

^

[dusky canopy]

The damage done is irrelevant

[small steeple]

I am looking at the damage across all key levels

vs

for this key level

[mellow bridge]

the parse%

has NOTHING to do

with damage done

wclogs is just weird there in its decription

it's literally just a "how high is this key compared to the highest keys done on that spec"

[frail river]

What fight style is best to select on raibots? It said dungeon slice didn't work

[mellow bridge]

patchwerk

[small steeple]

.... then why tf is my ppal a 60 considering they are pushing the highest keys, it doesn't track

so

[frail river]

What about for non-st? hetic add cleave?

[mellow bridge]

you add more targets

[undone beacon]

I run two sims: a 3 minute 1 target patchwerk and a 1:30 5 target patchwerk

[small steeple]

AND the parse % on healing should be the exact same if this was the case

[undone beacon]

Good baselines for ST and AoE

[small steeple]

but it's not

you are thinking of this sort of parse %, which IS based on the points

For further refrence, it should be a 67 for me based on score, not a 60

[mellow bridge]

because there are a lot more BM keys played in total so in relation the BM is lower than the Ppal compared to the others of his class

[frosty mango]

I’m pretty sure damage parse % is your percentile ranging across all parses for that key for that spec

[small steeple]

EXACTLY

[frosty mango]

IE lower level carry keys would hold the highest overall parses bc you’d see the highest overall dps

[dusky canopy]

If you’re in the damage done tab
Afaik the left hand column is comparing your damage to all other logged runs of the same spec, and the right hand column is your specific key level

[small steeple]

YES

I AM

DID NO ONE FUCKING LOOK

sorry

caps

[frosty mango]

No we just assumed you were bad

https://tenor.com/view/reptile-lol-hehehe-gif-5441436

[small steeple]

ITs literally the DAMAGE DONE PAGE

[lunar flare]

WHY ARE WE YELLING

[small steeple]

I DONT KNOW

[frosty mango]

Because we’re warriors

Shouting is on brand

[small steeple]

ZUG ZUG

[mellow bridge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bZx8WfGt6THw7BdL?fight=1&type=damage-done

then why is this havoc log a 62

when it's higher dps than https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/45?boss=12830&class=DemonHunter&spec=Havoc&metric=dps any of these?

[frosty mango]

That doesn’t make any sense though because the highest havoc key isn’t a 23/24

Which is what that points percentile would suggest

[small steeple]

Looking at the same player, he doesnt HAVE A 62 POINT PARSE

for ECO

[mellow bridge]

yes but by your logic

that would have to be a 62 dmg parse

[small steeple]

Yes

[mellow bridge]

when it's in reality one of the highest if not the highest dmg parses of eco

i was wrong but that doesnt make sense either

[frosty mango]

I think what we’re figuring out is that the left hand percentile column in the damage view is worthless

[solid sun]

The left hand percentile column doesn’t know what the right hand percentile column is doing?

[round pendant]

omg

Okay so

[frosty mango]

Limb independence, wcl is a drummer

[round pendant]

Parse % is what percentile of players playing that spec have completed that dungeon at that key level

[solid sun]

lol

[round pendant]

so a 10 eco-dome is 60th percentile for resto druids for example

ALL resto druids

[small steeple]

FFS

[round pendant]

Key % is what you're looking at if you want to compare damage amounts

[dusky canopy]

If I’m not mistaken I believe that is actually comparing the total amount of damage you did compared to all other logged keys of your spec regardless of key level not necessarily your “damage per second”

[lusty grotto]

[mellow bridge]

that sounds even more worthless than any of the other ideas so far LOL

[frosty mango]

So 62% of havoc dh have done a 10

[dusky canopy]

So you can do 20m dps in a +2 but it won’t log you higher than someone who did 10m in a + 20

[round pendant]

yes

[frosty mango]

That’s a completely useless metric

[round pendant]

all havoc dh's on wcl that is

yes, it's useless

[dusky canopy]

It’s not specifically based on dps

It’s total damage

[frosty mango]

And makes no sense in the context of the damage tab

[dusky canopy]

Iirc

[mellow bridge]

should be other way around

[frosty mango]

Bad web design someone email them

[mellow bridge]

38% of havocs have done it then

[round pendant]

yeah what muyuu said

[mellow bridge]

cuz every high key is a 99% in that category

[round pendant]

It's just that m+ is low priority on there, they don't care to make it actually good (assumption)

and they're not willing to change the UI to give us actual good information (assumption)

[mellow bridge]

@broken crater fix website

XephFix

[round pendant]

The key % directly compares dps within that key level

[dusky canopy]

Literally tags a dev haha

[frosty mango]

I mean “not willing” is prob not right

[dusky canopy]

He can clarify that’s good atleast

[frosty mango]

Wcl/archon is technically a big data business

[mellow bridge]

that dev is in my m+ group so i can ping him whenever i want :p

[solid sun]

I’m tired of big data

[dusky canopy]

Hehe 😉

[solid sun]

Down with big data

[small steeple]

here click on ranking, it gives full picture,

[mellow bridge]

real

[small steeple]

SO

[mellow bridge]

return to monke

[frosty mango]

Prob more likely no one but weird prot wars give a shit so they’re not inclined to make it better

[lusty grotto]

so why is this an issue

[small steeple]

I don't know why the fuck these don't line up

[lusty grotto]

tl;dr me

cause im in the middle of breakfast + meetings

[mellow bridge]

wclogs wonky

[frosty mango]

Key complete % makes no sense in the context of damage

[dusky canopy]

Bad speaking

[frosty mango]

So why is it there

Tldrd

[round pendant]

I'm gonna crash out

[lusty grotto]

let me just remember you guys that you dont pay anything to WCL

[frosty mango]

I pay them in data

[lusty grotto]

this is a free service

[dusky canopy]

No I’m going to remember you instead!!

[solid sun]

Remember the Alamo!

[undone beacon]

hey look its nim

[frail river]

ST antenna is +45k and idol is +25k, 1:30 5 boss idol is +438k vs antenna +276k

[frosty mango]

I certainly don’t pay them in ad revenue #thanksublockorigin

[small steeple]

so points wise this 10 was a 67, but its a 60 on the damage done so it isn't points related

[round pendant]

This is also incorrect

[small steeple]

but it IS? IDFK

[mortal cypress]

yo

[mint knot]

Evening lovely gents. What ideal secondary stats we want at full BiS for m+? Got myth devout zealot ring and myth soulbinder necklace, trying to figure out what numbers I'm angling for in the future. 15k crit/20k haste/20k vers/ rest mastery with antenna and brand?

[undone beacon]

Yeah makes sense. Antenna better for ST and Idol better for AoE. Pick which one feels more important to you and run with it

[round pendant]

Also, it changes on different pages because some pages consider affix buffs and others don't lmao

[undone beacon]

Though you cna get antenna from raid, but not a myth idol

[lusty grotto]

i understand, but why is a damage parse in keys an issue

[round pendant]

It's because the page on the left does something fucky with the affix buffs, but going to the actual log seems to disregard that

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/photograph-nickelback-gif-11039123

[round pendant]

at least that's what I figured last time I looked at this

[lusty grotto]

have you looked at our lovely wowhead/icyveins guides? also there's no specific goal posts for stats, whatever sims best

[small steeple]

Because the hunter in there did 2.3m dps overall, but the parse % was 49, but it was also a 0 for the key level parse

and I was making fun

of BM

[lusty grotto]

oh

[small steeple]

that a 49 for them

[round pendant]

BM is actually insane for m+ rn

[small steeple]

is half of a 48 for ARMS

[lusty grotto]

i see lol

[round pendant]

except that just means 51% of bm have completed that key on a 10 and 52% of arms have

[solid sun]

I didn’t know Xeph worked on WCL

[round pendant]

Dude works on everything

[solid sun]

Dude is cool as heck. He did a weakaura for me for my chat

[small steeple]

Does it? Because they don't line up with the character page, thats the big question now

[solid sun]

I was DMing the president of WoW and didn’t even know it

[dusky canopy]

Don’t say hell you’ll be smited

[round pendant]

The character page is historical

and also the actual DPS values can vary

because for some reason the character page will display buffed (from affixes) dps numbers

and the log won't

unless they fixed that

[dusky canopy]

Moms Spaghetti

[solid sun]

Rap god

[dusky canopy]

Lizard

[lusty grotto]

im guessing the percents are skewed because it may be based of all BM runs, but not necessarily the ones with logs

aka leaderboarnd entries

[round pendant]

actually yeah it might be leaderboard

[dusky canopy]

🦎

[round pendant]

buy key % is only logs obviously

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont know about that

depends on how they are aggregating

[solid sun]

Brew what kinda coffee are you drinking rn

[small steeple]

God, this honestly insults me how poorly designed this is as someone studying Dat aScience

[dusky canopy]

Death wish dark

Hbu?

[solid sun]

I’m taking mine straight black

[round pendant]

let's see, I parsed an 80 on a 10 eco-dome on aug 18th

now it's a 39

lmao

[dusky canopy]

Black coffee straight is the best

[round pendant]

wait no

LOL

[dusky canopy]

LOL

[round pendant]

@small steeple Click this:

[dusky canopy]

Wait yes

[solid sun]

Lmfao

[round pendant]

That shows you the key % on the character page

But it's still historical

[solid sun]

Wait maybe?

[broken crater]

sup?

[dusky canopy]

Sir

Clarify please

[solid sun]

Hey Xeph

[dusky canopy]

On the damage done tab

[round pendant]

Just the usual confusion of parse numbers in keys

[dusky canopy]

Left Column explaining what to us?

[lusty grotto]

LOL

yes columbia

[dusky canopy]

Left columbia

Amen

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

Colombian coffee

[dusky canopy]

Bro my phone stg

[small steeple]

hmmm, whats this do? Include private logs?

[round pendant]

no

in m+ on the character page, it changes the Hist % to show historical key % (your dps compared to others of the same key)

[broken crater]

left side is performance-disonnected. its comparing $spec in $dungeons on $level against the highest level done on that leve for that spec.

right side is: actual $spec performance in comparison to others of the same spec on the same level and dungeon for that metric (damage, healing), ignoring ilvl

[round pendant]

instead of the points parse which is just how many people have completed that key effectively

[solid sun]

What are money specs

And money dungeons

And money levels

[broken crater]

:bearmoney:

[lusty grotto]

LOL rhino

[dusky canopy]

Ahh yes so it’s comparing total amount of damage done on a spec to all other logged keys of the same spec?

On the left column?

[round pendant]

no

[broken crater]

right column

left has no perf connection

[round pendant]

Damage is irrelevant on the left column

[small steeple]

it says ilvl or key?

[broken crater]

"how high of a key did you do in comparison to all other pwars in this dungeon"

[dusky canopy]

There you have it @small steeple

[broken crater]

theres just 1 label for that, its toggling left side / right side basically

[dusky canopy]

Thank you xepheris we were trying to clarify for @small steeple without saying it ourselves

[lusty grotto]

yeah but that wasnt the question tbh

[small steeple]

Its fucking ilvl by default

wtf

[broken crater]

the alternative is to just swap to Damage instead

yea

[warm plinth]

Change points to damage in the top left

Dammit

[broken crater]

exactly

[small steeple]

I DID

[round pendant]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand

[warm plinth]

Im sorry I didn't see ittttt my servivr is shit 😭

Service

No bully

[broken crater]

in my case because im a gigachad (my spec is dead) it doesnt change anything but for virtually anyone else it should

[solid sun]

I’d just like to know which specs give me money please

I would like more money

[warm plinth]

Money is good

[round pendant]

mm

[broken crater]

fatebound rogue

[round pendant]

gamba spec

[broken crater]

you flip a coin permanently

[small steeple]

I get it now, I just think its fucking stupid now that by default it categorizes by ilvl for default

When for raid it doesn't

[round pendant]

it does

[broken crater]

it doesnt categorize by ilvl by default

theres no ilvl for keys

label is just the same as on raid

its ranking by key level by default

[frosty mango]

I think the lesson here

[dusky canopy]

Spec? Curious

[frosty mango]

Is that users are idiots

And you need to spell it out explicitly with an alt text mouse over

[round pendant]

No the UI is legitimately not very intuitive

[broken crater]

hero tree so outlaw and idk

[lusty grotto]

stop complaining about a free service lol

[dusky canopy]

Outlaw! Nice

[round pendant]

but it's a side effect of what I presume is key logs just being fudged into the existing system

[broken crater]

outlaw plays fatebound in st/raid iirc

[frosty mango]

This is America that’s our past time

[solid sun]

Does outlaw still give you carpal tunnel

[broken crater]

yep

[broken crater]

youre already playing pwar

[round pendant]

No?

[lusty grotto]

yam you dont pay for it

[round pendant]

Braindead take, nim

[dusky canopy]

Patron wcl app is pretty neat

[warm plinth]

Pay for what

[broken crater]

theres some long time planned improvements coming soon ™ (this time for sure)

[lusty grotto]

thats not a braindead take

no money = no work

[round pendant]

WCL offer a service, it's free but it can still be made better through listening to peoples' feedback

[lusty grotto]

the fuck are you gonna fix this because TWO users in Skyhold think its not a good thing

[solid sun]

That’s true. My wrists need a break

[broken crater]

tbf its a common pain point

[round pendant]

this is a common misunderstanding people have when using the site

[lusty grotto]

so do it

[round pendant]

it "should" be fixed

[broken crater]

like defaulting to damage at a minimum etc

[frosty mango]

On a scale of 1-10 how much would you say you’re inclined to care about what random entitled prot wars who ping you in skyhold think

You can be honest, we can take it

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[frosty mango]

-# we can’t take it

[broken crater]

feedback is always valuable unless its from boomkins or mages

[dusky canopy]

Net negative

[small steeple]

So what does it mean "ilvl or key" it says this for raid too

[broken crater]

same toggle ultimately

left side right side parse

and it defaults to left side

[frosty mango]

You’re very good at this game, subtle redirect into a non explicit response

[broken crater]

so right side is actually ilvl this time

[frosty mango]

10/10

[round pendant]

Or maybe he just means it?

[frosty mango]

That’s so much less fun

[solid sun]

Is it possible to change WCL so my parses always look the best?

[dusky canopy]

Actually

Good question

[small steeple]

so what is "key" in refrence here though?

[round pendant]

Yeah, play better

[jagged pier]

u can docker logs

[frosty mango]

I can write you a browser extension to do this if you want

[jagged pier]

but its obvious

[broken crater]

label is for both raid and keys, so for raid its toggling by ilvl, for keys by key, its just not a very well worded label

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[broken crater]

for a small loan of $5m

[dusky canopy]

If I apply to liquid with fake logs can you guaranteed I get in?

[frosty mango]

Do you guys use a workload management tool

[broken crater]

yea

[jagged pier]

do u want to prep 20 chars?

[small steeple]

weird, honestly pretty confusing ui lol

[frosty mango]

How big is the archon/wcl backlog

[broken crater]

do you really wanna know

[frosty mango]

Yes

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-13700830058131647973

[dusky canopy]

Absolutely not! 2/3 day guilds are best

[frosty mango]

I applied for an ops manager role there but they never replied I figured they were busy 🤣

[toxic pewter]

u guys gonna play that legion remix

[frosty mango]

Ok that’s not even too bad

[dusky canopy]

Yerp

[jagged pier]

theyve put too many good cosmetic in to not play it

[toxic pewter]

ya def gonna play it..

[small steeple]

For a project the size of WCL? Only 865 issues on the git? Thats not bad I don't think

[round pendant]

If you look at a raid log, the left side is parse % for ALL players of that spec regardless of ilvl, the right side is percentiles within ilvl brackets.

the button makes the right side show up on the character page

for keys, the left side is M+ Points (regardless of selecting Damage/healing/etc btw) and the right side is dps percentiles within that key level for that dungeon

the button makes the right side show up on the character page

[solid sun]

I’m playing it with brew. Coffee and legion happy hour

[dusky canopy]

It’s going to be sick

I’m hyped

[broken crater]

its also across games and includes archon, uploader, addon

[solid sun]

Xeph is gonna make our legion parses look pristine

[broken crater]

legion
hmm

[lusty grotto]

oh fflogs issues are there

LOL

really fucking wish xiv had ilvl info

parsing on that game is ass

no drops = badge parse

[dusky canopy]

Isn’t FF when you quit a league match because you’re getting owned?

[lusty grotto]

either way thats an issue with ACT, not with fflogs

[dusky canopy]

ff🪵

[solid sun]

The real ff logs were the venues we went to along the way

[small steeple]

Thanks for clearing things up though @broken crater

[broken crater]

👍

no custom emotes, what a cursed place

[dusky canopy]

Tell em about it

[frosty mango]

here I fixed it

[dusky canopy]

Ping archi and complain

[warm plinth]

At least we had your handsome face to grace us for a time

[lusty grotto]

we cant give custom emotes to crayon eaters

[frosty mango]

@broken crater ill submit my PR tonight if you could just go ahead and accept that thanks

[broken crater]

✅

[lusty grotto]

i love blue crayons

[dusky canopy]

🖍️

[small steeple]

i don't like the purple ones, they are too tart

[dusky canopy]

Is better

[solid sun]

Macaroni and cheese yellow is my favorite

[lusty grotto]

truee

[warm plinth]

If you wanna look really good in keys, just go to rankings page of the log, change to parses at top right, change to damage in the middle. Ez 100s

Look big af

Just don't show like, the actual numbers of your dps kek

[solid sun]

When are we doing keys, doot

[lunar flare]

looking at parses

Why would I depress myself

[round pendant]

I like knowing if I'm playing right

[solid sun]

We can get some 100s together

[round pendant]

but then I'm parsing 70s cause I don't have 4p

pain

[lunar flare]

I don't need to wait 30 seconds for a page to load to know I'm bad

[small steeple]

no, thats me

[lunar flare]

Don't try to outbad me

[small steeple]

Don't steal me name

lol

[lunar flare]

Try and stop me

[small steeple]

NOOOOOOOOOOo

Welcome to the brotherhood of "Bad"

Now you may never leave

[lunar flare]

Poggies

[dusky canopy]

“Just badder”

[solid sun]

Tonight is raid night

[dusky canopy]

Lucky!

I have to wait until tomorrow

[frosty mango]

Now we just gotta ping some raidbots devs

[lunar flare]

My condolences

[frosty mango]

who knows some raidbot devs

[solid sun]

Last week

We did this for the canister boss

[frosty mango]

@broken crater maybe you can answer this. Why is WCL site performance (specifically backend loads) so awful on mobile relative to desktop

[round pendant]

Half the websites and addons and etc you use wouldn't exist with that mindset and not to mention all of those have only gotten better and made the entire wow experience better because of feedback

and it's kinda hilarious that you say this meanwhile a dev is literally here saying "feedback is valuable"

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-secret-im-always-hard-im-always-hard-thats-my-secret-that's-my-secret-i'm-always-hard-i'm-always-hard-gif-13949726044878110332

[round pendant]

but we'll leave it at that

[solid sun]

And this for hunters

So idk if it’s lucky it’s raid night or not

[lusty grotto]

im sorry ghash, i remembered the gif

WHOS READY FOR VAULT TUESDAY

[dusky canopy]

Where is the orange warrior!?

[lunar flare]

I love when this channel is flooded with "guys what do I pick" pictures for 48 hours

[small steeple]

I somewhat know someone who works on wowanalyzer, does that count lmao

[dusky canopy]

Oh I am so locked tf in!!

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[dusky canopy]

Machines cranking away unattended

[lusty grotto]

let me get my post ready

[dusky canopy]

I’m full yapper mode

[frosty mango]

Well there's a big difference in how this mindset is applied in that WCL/Archon is not FOSS

Many tools and sites are maintained through collective public contribution and maintainers (like WCL, spec apls, etc)

WCL/Archon isn't open, you can't just go submit stuff - so in that sense money is very important because those folks are paid to do that work

labor is the largest controllable expenditure and while feedback is important, you need money (labor) to implement it

otherwise it just sits in your backlog forever

[round pendant]

Well yeah, you need the labor regardless and if it's not foss someone with the feedback can't implement it themselves ofc

but both sides value feedback regardless

[frosty mango]

I don't disagree

[solid sun]

I disagree

Wait

I agree

[frosty mango]

shut it you

[solid sun]

Lmao

[small steeple]

I agree to disagree with an agreement

[lunar flare]

Aka "i agree"

[round pendant]

but nim wasn't saying "they probably have way higher priority things they're working on" and I would agree that it's low prio

[frosty mango]

double negatives are so much more interesting

[round pendant]

he was just saying "it's free don't complain"

[dusky canopy]

I think Nims point was pissing and moaning in a random space online when you don’t even contribute anything to the product you’re pissing and moaning about is bad

[round pendant]

which means nothing ever gets better ever

[lunar flare]

True they are the spice of life

[round pendant]

even though the devs WANT it to be better for everyone

[lusty grotto]

thats exactly what i was saying though

[frosty mango]

we are in violent agreement

lets all hold hands and dance now

[lusty grotto]

if 2 people out of 15,000 have feedback for something, it is 500% low prio

[frosty mango]

depends on who the two people are

[dusky canopy]

Constructive feedback is good

[primal crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mc-gregor-who-the-fook-is-that-guy-who-the-fuck-interview-gif-9518656

[frosty mango]

fake yam detected

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats out of the question here roid, im saying specifically users from this channel

[solid sun]

Idk guys none of the WCL stuff is made with crayons so I don’t understand it

[primal crypt]

[solid sun]

It’s above my pay grade

[frosty mango]

I don't know about you but I'm pretty important and im pretty sure they value my opinion 500% more than everyone elses

[lusty grotto]

sup yamo

[primal crypt]

hola

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/kind-of-a-big-deal-anchorman-ron-burgundy-smile-gif-16393820

[round pendant]

No one was pissing and moaning, really. Bad was struggling to understand the UI and I was struggling to explain it. The conclusion is that it's not very intuitive.

[frosty mango]

IRL I am 500% the size of a normal person therefore I get 5x the votes

[lusty grotto]

for this VERY SPECIFIC use case yam

[primal crypt]

I didn't say anything

[broken crater]

clarify what you mean with site performance? I've never had issues on mobile

[dusky canopy]

Damn you got me beat I’m only 200%

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[frosty mango]

the UI tends to load but the load of the data into the tables from the backend seems to hang for a considerable period (many seconds) when using any sort of mobile browser

[dusky canopy]

On this topic, using discords pop up browser specifically when you click a link in one of these channels, it takes ages to load the summary page

[lunar flare]

are you wclogs

[broken crater]

that'd be frontend to backend communication on our end, not related to mobile

[broken crater]

part of

[frosty mango]

I use a network dns based filter and it loads fine on desktop, slow on mobile, same network

[round pendant]

is your wifi connection cheeks

I've never had an issue on mobile either

[frosty mango]

no my connection is fine lol

[primal crypt]

since you guys are talking about logs, how do I get the mitigation to show?

help

[solid sun]

Usually I experience higher communication traffic from front end to back end after eating Taco Bell

[broken crater]

go to the healing tab, toggle Mitigations above the graph

[dusky canopy]

😂

[primal crypt]

it doesn't want to show it to me

[broken crater]

link?

[primal crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LnwR2y1C4qBdj3Wp?fight=3&type=healing&source=4&options=16384

[mortal cypress]

I have one of those too, except mine isn't on the network it's in my shed

[frosty mango]

I made fajitas last night and I can confirm there is a lot of traffic today

[dusky canopy]

They’re trying to have intelligent discussion we’re just being idiot warrior yappers :classic:

[solid sun]

Lmfao

[dusky canopy]

This is the way

[solid sun]

This coffee hitting just right

[frosty mango]

Poor Xeph, its like when a celeb comes out and people are trying to get autographs

[broken crater]

will look into it, does work here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RJfzc2Ty8XBQW7t3?fight=3&type=healing&options=16384&source=148 so it must be something character specific

[frosty mango]

just run now bro, they're gonna smother you

[round pendant]

god speaking of xeph, I can't wait for his ability tracker addon to be released

I'm waiting patiently

[primal crypt]

oh so it's just my logs that bugged :(((((((

[solid sun]

It’s so funny to me he hooked me up with a chat weakaura

I had no idea he was a wow celeb

[primal crypt]

Guess I broke sumfin

[round pendant]

It's like anything, 20% of the devs do 80% of the work when it comes to wow community stuff

[broken crater]

development stopped until 12.0 clarifies what is possible and what wont be, they stated that cd tracking wont be a thing anymore

[round pendant]

oh no

[broken crater]

i wake up to an avg of 10 pings and 5 dms

[solid sun]

Does that mean our WA suites are dead

[broken crater]

too early to tell but my money is on yes

[round pendant]

You'll prob just be reskinning the stock one

[solid sun]

Lmfao I’m about to become so bad at this game

[broken crater]

check their preview for the cd manager

[frosty mango]

Blizz will kill basically anything that requires client side cpu usage at scale

[broken crater]

its starting to shape up with 12.0

[frosty mango]

Bc they can’t optimize the game any more

[round pendant]

god but 80% of my time on wow is spent fucking around with my ui and addons

they can't take this away from me

[mortal cypress]

What if I get my mom to write it down and sit there with a stop watch? Checkmate blizzard

[frosty mango]

Performance is becoming an issue bc of cpu time being overcome by more and more complex addons

[broken crater]

banned because of external tool usage

[frosty mango]

Their only choice is to kill addons

[primal crypt]

Am I the weird one that loves using as much default ui as possible

[round pendant]

I don't buy that at all

[primal crypt]

I was so happy to be able to drop elvui

[steep pivot]

hey fellow warriors, good luck on your vault! they say if you press shield wall right in front of vault is a garantee BIS gear! o/

[round pendant]

addons are a tiny minority of the cpu usage in wow currently unless you're running some scuffed shit

[frosty mango]

That’s overwhelmingly untrue

[mortal cypress]

Usage of mom got me banned

[small steeple]

how far along is the mitigation toggle? I know it says work in progress but there seems to be a lot there already

[round pendant]

all my addons and WAs add up to like 0.3ms of extra frame time

[mortal cypress]

No, was can be a huge resource hog, followed by details

[frosty mango]

While addons may be a smaller portion of your total cpu load, they account for a huge amount of relative cpu time specially when you are using a lot of auras or addons with unit calls (like cell) and that logjams cpus

[jade hazel]

but everyone won’t have them, so, everyone bad means your good

[broken crater]

it should be including everything, just has some quirks like atrophic poison always being attributed to the same rogue or amz being attributed to the environment (because thats how it logs)

[round pendant]

it's bottlenecked by their fundmentally dogshit implementation of the addon system

[frosty mango]

Older CPUs cannot handle that on wows largely single thread architecture

They obviously cannot overcome that so their path is to kill addons

[small steeple]

oh thats much more than I thought

[broken crater]

oh theres a couple vers talents that can probably be implemented now that vers itself is in

but havent gotten the time for that

[lunar flare]

Reminds me of that Max video where he watches that Demon Hunter UI and it like freezes for 3 seconds on combat start

[mortal cypress]

I don't think that when making the api the devs expected it to be pushed so far

[broken crater]

my tinfoil theory is that they've identified CLEU calls to be extremely detrimently to general game performance so nuking that will not only improve performance but also deal with unwanted addons

[frosty mango]

100%

[broken crater]

• you can get considerably far with just UNIT_AURA and UNIT_SPELLCAST_* events anyway (if those stay, but considering they said tracking of cds wont be possible anymore i think they disappear too)

[frosty mango]

The proliferation of the large WA packs that use CLEU liberally imo is a major cause of the increase in performance issues

[round pendant]

I'm all for just deleting cleu

[broken crater]

but my highlighter

[round pendant]

yeah

[broken crater]

holdup

[small steeple]

what is CLEU? Not familiar with addon backend coding

[broken crater]

thats a sadge in skyhold

[dusky canopy]

This game is going to be insanely different without my plug and play UI that holds my whole hand every step of the way

GG

[frosty mango]

Combat log event unfiltered

[small steeple]

ah ok

[broken crater]

COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED, an event that has subtypes which includes basically everything that is going on in the game

[small steeple]

like northern sky, Caused and Liquid?

[frosty mango]

Yes those exactly

[broken crater]

if you do damage? CLEU. gain a buff? CLEU. heal? CLEU. absorb? CLEU

[small steeple]

interesting

[broken crater]

and you cant pre-filter it to say "give me only heal events of spell x", you need to consume all events and filter on your end

[small steeple]

so its the super class of combat events

[frosty mango]

Which has a massive impact on cpu time

When you add it all up

[broken crater]

its more or less identical to what gets written to the log file too for logs

[round pendant]

I run causese dungeon was and details and plater and cell and I have zero performance issues that can be attributed to them though

as if I go in a raid with zero addons it still runs like crap

[small steeple]

part of raid performance is just the number of events occuring

[frosty mango]

This is prob more likely the issue with the unit debuff call

[small steeple]

from 20 players

[frosty mango]

Unsure if it was fixed yet in cell

[broken crater]

remember denathrius add spawn + fated

[frosty mango]

I know they pushed a pr for it

[round pendant]

And then dornogal also runs like crap

[broken crater]

massive spike of events into server lag

[small steeple]

dorn is crap for everyone

[round pendant]

Anything with a lot of units is just bad and while lots of addons will affect it, it's a tiny percentage of the performance loss unless it's doing something egregious

[mortal cypress]

What useful addons will be left for the community to make with blizzard making plater, weak aura type class uis, damage meters etc. Enhanced pet collector journal?

[small steeple]

was valdraken bad performance wise? Didn't play much DF

[round pendant]

so I just don't buy the whole "they're killing addons for performance" thing

they simply want to lock down what players can do so they can tune the game to be less cracked out imo

[small steeple]

I keep telling people its for a Console Release

[round pendant]

but if I lose UI skinning I'm ggs

[frosty mango]

IMO addon crackdown is def bc of perf

[warm plinth]

Whenever you want

[small steeple]

Until I got my new pc 2 weeks ago, I was mythic raiding at 10-20 fps

So

[frosty mango]

Because they are specifically targeting addons that impact cpu based perf. If they said “all addons” I’d be less suspicious

[small steeple]

and it wasn't a bad computer, top end for its time

[warm plinth]

Point is I'm pretty sure that combination of options always shows 100s for entire grouo

[broken crater]

• nameplates will be overhauled by blizz too so we dont know how much of plater will be needed/left to reskin default nameplates
• WAs - anything non combat will survive. anything combat related time will tell
• damage meter is also coming with the default ui so good chance that details is gone
• any addon like tmog related etc will first have to adjust to the new tmog ui coming but in general is expected to continue to work

[warm plinth]

Group

[frosty mango]

So basically anything that leverages the combat log to compute and display information

[mortal cypress]

Ty for info

[solid sun]

We just need a 21st raider for all things instead of addons

[lunar flare]

Down with bigwigs and dbm as well

Burn it all down

Give me nothing but half baked blizzard solutions

[round pendant]

Man, the game's gonna suck so bad

[lunar flare]

THAT IS LIVING

[solid sun]

Imagine a 6th dungeoneer telling everyone when to do stuff

[warm plinth]

Built in meters should theoretically be more accurate than details though. The only concern I have is what views we'll have available to us.

[broken crater]

what I dont get is how they want to prevent calculating someones CDs if they want unit frame addons to continue to exist (unless they just mean reskinning), because most cooldowns are aura based so you can derive their casts and most cds based on aura presence

[round pendant]

I can't wait for blizzard to implement a dodgy timer and we have to wait 2 weeks for it to be fixed

[half jewel]

Addon crackdown for performance won't do as much as people expect I fear. Yes there are some process heavy calculations and such for real time nameplate auras and such but with the engine being as old as it is. You're still going to be CPU locked barely utilizing the majority of its power

[small steeple]

I truthfully wonder if the built in meter would work with aug evokers

[broken crater]

details fwiw is already accurate, the giant elephant in the room is what the default meter does with aug and somehow, nobody asked that

[lunar flare]

2 weeks would be quick for them

[small steeple]

Because blizz didn't want addons to have that, but its not an addon now is it

[solid sun]

If I can still drink sweet tea and eat tacos while playing wow it’ll be fine

[round pendant]

I doubt the default meters will attribute the aug damage to the aug

[warm plinth]

Yeah sorry I didn't mean to imply details is inaccurate. Just that they don't have access to everything that blizzard can see on their end necessarily (e.g. the aug stuff)

[lunar flare]

When is your other nipple getting a badge to match the other side

[mortal cypress]

Yeah, unless you pay a sub for the professional service you get some kid going "OMG tank u are noob, I said left pack only"

[solid sun]

When I get promoted to double sheriff

[lunar flare]

Praying for your continued ascension, brother

[solid sun]

Ty ty

[small steeple]

wtf

[frosty mango]

I think if they crack down addons we will ultimately see things like ACT come around where we’re reading network traffic out of game and processing it as an overlay in a separate process

[broken crater]

aka quick ban

[solid sun]

What’s wrong, toon link

[warm plinth]

Yeah haha was gonna say and then you get banned

[dusky canopy]

How will I Know when to execute if the WA cone made to keep track of the 5 possible conditionals for pressing execute and sounding a kaching is removed from the game

[frosty mango]

Warden is pretty unforgiving but I’m not sure

[dusky canopy]

[round pendant]

Yeah people really overestimate how much of a hit addons are doing to their performance

and it's mostly cause you can't see blizz's own code in any profiling you do

[small steeple]

I assume an addon reading memory is against ToS too right? I know Monster Hunter world had a mod that read the memory to give monster hp info

[round pendant]

I'm really curious how much frame time blizz's aura handling takes up

[frosty mango]

It doesn’t read memory it reads network traffic

[round pendant]

wait, are we gonna lose local logging?

[proven mantle]

ascendance on weapon i just really dont know what to pick tbh, sims say ring or trinket (obviously wont pick trinket)

[warm plinth]

Don't think we know the answer to that right now

[frosty mango]

I don’t think so

[lusty grotto]

#protection message also remove that ascendance you should have dusk/dawn x2 by now

[broken crater]

negative

[small steeple]

Yeah I'm talking something that readings memory, its seperate from the network thing

[round pendant]

then couldn't you just have a program live read the local log?

[frosty mango]

If we lost wcl there would be revolts

[round pendant]

I would riot

[frosty mango]

All the class discords might shut down

[mortal cypress]

I'd celebrate

[round pendant]

wait no, this is good

[warm plinth]

Buffs for everyone!

[proven mantle]

so basically just go weapon and give a smile

[dusky canopy]

Blizzard is playing with fire nuking addons, hope they are careful, I’d hate to see the game crumble

[solid sun]

Yam hates us

Wants all the discords to shut down

[round pendant]

I hate everything

[lusty grotto]

correct

[proven mantle]

gotcha, thank u boss man ill be back tmrw for another vault assesment

[lusty grotto]

no you wont

you will read that post again

[proven mantle]

:madge

[dusky canopy]

I in fact will not read that post again

I will in fact come back to this channel specifically

[round pendant]

but yeah surely if local logging still exists you could just have a program read that file and overlay information

[dusky canopy]

And tag you specifically

[round pendant]

that wouldn't get you banned, surely

[dusky canopy]

With my vault question

[proven mantle]

exactly

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto ❤️

[proven mantle]

this guy gets it

[dusky canopy]

Nim loves it so much when people ask what they should pick from their vault

Especially when they link images of Tome being an option

[broken crater]

the file isnt written sync, thats been killed years ago

[proven mantle]

yeah i figured so i will specifically ask him personally

[half jewel]

Guys what should I pick from my vault? It looks like this

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-19124743

[half jewel]

XD

[dusky canopy]

Baby come back

[proven mantle]

thats fine with u right nimchip

[round pendant]

oh I didn't know that

[dusky canopy]

You can blame it all on… pauses music yourself

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nsync-bye-bye-bye-justin-timber-lake-dance-90s-gif-16139087490665941018

The by on the bottom is absolutely killing me rn

[dusky canopy]

Bro why must they do that

[broken crater]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/warcraft-logs-creating-augmentation-evoker-in-game-damage-meter-334406

[dusky canopy]

My O C D bro

[solid sun]

lol

[round pendant]

I'm dooming over wow now

ruining my UI will actually make me quit I think lmao

I spent so much time on it

[half jewel]

all of those UI packs I have will be USELESS

[steep pivot]

sadge

[primal crypt]

holy moly, I didn't even think about all these UI packs

[dusky canopy]

I’m not worried one bit, the guy I give my prime sub to will be the one stressing over the ui changes

I’ll just happily plug and play that shit when he releases it

[solid sun]

Yeah idk

[half jewel]

holy fuck my vault is trash

[solid sun]

If the changes mean i become bad at the game

That sucks for everyone else

Not me

Just gonna eat my tacos and game

[dusky canopy]

“Ahh my b guys, the new ui didn’t alert me of that”

[steep pivot]

my vault is trash! i already got myth shouders! and trink options sucks

[dusky canopy]

Sad socket week

[undone beacon]

its vault day ong ong hell yeah lets vault it up and spend all day linking that one nim post and saying

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-sad-gif-11498011059624046168

[undone beacon]

@dusky canopy guess what

[steep pivot]

sadge socket!! fk me XD

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-great-vault-raidbots-dps-gif-15132403917893563328

HA

i am the poster of the gif

nerd

[dusky canopy]

Nim got his Tome so now I can’t doomer post about it all day anymore

Very sad

[ornate thicket]

these any good?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you get disarmed on cooldown in every dungeon

[warm plinth]

When are you disarmed

[dusky canopy]

Very worth

[hushed cobalt]

Cursed Stone Idol, will i get smashed during the channel or is it quick enough to not get smashed?

[undone beacon]

When you throw ravager it disarms u so yeah turbo good

[ornate thicket]

lmfao

[solid sun]

Well just unequip your weapons

[ornate thicket]

feels bad - my vault is doodoo

[dusky canopy]

+5k for you