More like parse stance
#protection
solid sun
hardy viper
Ye that extra crit is not worth it. maybe in low farm keys?
solid sun
Or apb stance
lusty grotto
it okay to use in raids
when youre not the active tank
nothing hitting you = battle stance
but really not recommended in keys
low keys maybe sure
undone beacon
Gotta get that Mongolian beef
dusky canopy
Hello @lusty grotto !
lusty grotto
hello sir
undone beacon
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
dat me on both
pallid quiver
taking a picture of that was the best thing i've ever done in my life
mortal cypress
https://tenor.com/view/old-man-music-band-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-feeling-youn...
solid sun
Did fury get fixed
Or maybe that’s just wowhead reporting on whatever it is fury has started doing
lunar flare
Why u angry in your new pfp
cerulean olive
solid sun
Why u angry in your new pfp
That’s what warriors do
lusty grotto
Or maybe that’s just wowhead reporting on whatever it is fury has started doing
archi is never wrong
mighty valley
Did fury get fixed
It's a bugfix that has brought them to this state
that state being "in the upper half of m+ dps output"
lusty grotto
he did report it on 9/2
in here #updates-midnight
i love that he put that gif in
brew posted it early in the week it was $$$
lusty grotto
lofty warren
Can a lizard one for MT be added?
wide ether
!wa
nocturne spindle
prisma nexus
Hi, does the socket in the crafted items, belts, bracers go away when reforging to 720?
lusty grotto
yes
prisma nexus
uff
round pendant
Boys is it actually good to lust eco-dome second boss on the intermission
when they split
I feel like it's not worth since cds aren't up and it lasts like 2 seconds
mellow yoke
I feel like it's not worth since cds aren't up and it lasts like 2 seconds
depends on cds of ur group
if they start fight with no CDs then don't lust at beginning lust at phase
undone beacon
neon elk
What group u pull into him on start? Ive had mixed results and time to time people just died on spears phase , but that might be their fault
frosty mango
We lust intermission bc it’s ass to heal
cerulean tusk
dry skiff
how can i copy talent from a warrior in warcraftlog
frosty mango
Easiest way is to hit the armory button and export it from there
dry skiff
they might have changed talent since then
lusty grotto
well maybe people shouldnt be copying from logs
frosty mango
You don’t pay my sub
lusty grotto
and instead copy from our freshest wowhead icyveins guides
the freshest of the fresh
undone beacon
yes and they are very tender
uwu
grizzled nova
It's true though, at least for slayer, at this point.
I've gone entire keys and pressed bloodthirst maybe twice?
You could probably just remove it from your bars and lose functionally no dps
single target is literally just raging blow raging blow raging blow enrage repeat
use sd when it happens, use cds on cds
no thought, just press
plush tendon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154405608422903919/1414681278162403398/H...
Hamster War!
dusky canopy
tight mural
is there a list somewhere of maybe not obvious tank tips for this season? things like tanking the last boss of gambit in the first phase inbetween the crates and the wall so the adds spawn on top of you, or the first boss in ara-kara where tank can get the boss close to the adds with the boss to them and melee can just get hit by spiders and cleave down. i feel like since i'm always tanking i don't have the opportunity to see how other people do it
dry skiff
does Thunder Blast benefit from violent outburst ? if not, do we always aim to spend it on SS ?
lusty grotto
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1154405608422903919/1414681278162403398/H...
brew ima DM
lusty grotto
does Thunder Blast benefit from violent outburst ? if not, do we always aim to s...
it does
dusky canopy
brew ima DM
😉
lusty grotto
is there a list somewhere of maybe not obvious tank tips for this season? things...
no, those are just well known from previous seasons
half jewel
Anyone know where this WA for collector energy (big numbers) comes from?
dusky canopy
Probably liquid pack, assuming NA gamer
lusty grotto
i.e. SL seasons for Gambit, and the first AK boss is just relatively new
yeah that's liquid
half jewel
I didnt see it Thursday when we were on this boss I will check again
half jewel
Yea the bars to the left that are cut off in the image were optional as well
I see something called Arcane Collector Energy but I guess I will need to go and test it. Thanks
grizzled nova
does Thunder Blast benefit from violent outburst ? if not, do we always aim to s...
yeah it is your hardest hitting thing by far
I hit 13 million thunder blasts in avatar with 4pc + tb + vo
even in ST tb + vo isn't that far off of shield slam for damage, I personally don't hold vo for shield slam in st if I have a tb available
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine
lofty warren
Only 1 more day until I [most likely] get 4pc
thick dust
Anyone know where this WA for collector energy (big numbers) comes from?
northern sky has it too
tight mural
i.e. SL seasons for Gambit, and the first AK boss is just relatively new
yeap, as someone who didn't play in SL, and barely in S1 i was just tring to figure out if there's a cheat sheet somewhere of current tips/tricks for tanking these dungeons.
mellow bridge
good
solid sun
What’s their new addon thing
mellow bridge
helps you keep their WAs updated and has other useful functions for a raid as a whole
half jewel
I think its just a replacement for their calculations WA
mellow bridge
like auto assigning raid groups, a name changer for raidframes etc
solid sun
Interesting
half jewel
Easier to update and has some added functionality which is nice. We were using it before swapping to Liquid because of some PEBCAK
solid sun
I’ve never used them or liquid. Feels like overkill for a heroic raid
I wonder if everyone in my squad would try them
half jewel
Eh, def not needed for heroic but there is some QOL stuff that is just nice from a RL pov. Most of heroic can be done just by raid leading mechanics and not relying on WAs, mythic as well to some extent.
I like WAs for augmenting and lowering my mental load. I can do more if I have to think about other things less.
lusty grotto
I’ve never used them or liquid. Feels like overkill for a heroic raid
overkill for heroic tbh
especially since you gotta micro aura updates
which basically needs the aura updater from liquid
or whatever northern sky has
round pendant
sick
wiped 2nd boss hoa 13
can't time it even tho it was smooth before then and everyone doing 7m overall
that dungeon is too tight
someone just couldn't find their lantern lmao
round pendant
wait what nerfs
round pendant
oh nice 2 minutes ago
just as I was whining about it
yeah that'll do it
thanks blizz
lusty grotto
yooo
slashers 50% more count?
😮
no more 81.51% you say?
AK still has bloodguards
which is uhh
thats blizzard
dusky canopy
Slashers are still giga time sync
But now we’re forced to pull some maybe?
Curious what the new trash looks like
lone hemlock
The only thing I want to know is how much less trash I need to pull between boss 1 and 2. Everything before boss 1 will probably stay the same for me.
nocturne spindle
the one giga pull pre echelon potential?
mellow yoke
the one giga pull pre echelon potential?
that pull
idk who is surviving that
but not the pugs I play with
cerulean tusk
if you thin out the anklebiters, then chain, sure - I can see it work in a PuG
mellow yoke
type of shit you see people pull off in the MDI
cerulean tusk
That made me chuckle, looking at how the tank gotta manouver to get that going
prob could grab the gardeners tho at this point
really amp that minmax
its what 12 of em?
undone beacon
cerulean tusk
The lust is the most important and hardest part of this pull
undone beacon
gotta get the lust
red swallow
mario kart track ahh pull
undone beacon
one of my least favorite things about post-legion dungeon design is that they are all made with the knowledge that DHs exist
So theres like, no cool out of bounds exploration to do
I wanna go down there
When DHs were first added and you could go out of bounds in like every old dungeon, it was so neat
lusty grotto
you guys remember the old BFA routes
well
i think ghash does
but it was something like
cerulean tusk
BFA? Pull the whole instance, jump on a pixel spot to snap everything, AoE them down and spamheal the tank - as the mobs cant do anything to anyone else
azure crag
My guild finally beat King Salad bar Heroic last night!
Then we got folded by dimenseus for 2 hours
azure crag
A welcome change to be sure
But also God damn it I have to learn a new route now
lusty grotto
slow cat
undone beacon
Whenever anyone asks for my halls route im gonna link this and smile
mellow yoke
the nerfs are actually crazy
mellow yoke
A welcome change to be sure
But also **God damn it I have to learn a new route ...
eh
enemy forces requirements reduced
Ig they'd resort to some slashers
cut some pull ig
lusty grotto
here you go
azure crag
Reduced requirements, but changed up enemy locations and now slashers are more worth it to pull
So it's like....I dunno, I'm definitely gonna have to learn a new route.
Something something "72% before the second boss"
cerulean tusk
I will just press W, and when I get to the end just do a /shrug as ppl scream curses at me for a bad route
azure crag
Something something "72% before the second boss"
....wait no that won't work, requirements went down. I need a new number.
mellow yoke
actually good nerfs ngl
lusty grotto
new route just dropped
mellow yoke
Arak and HoA were quite challenging
pallid quiver
I will just press W, and when I get to the end just do a /shrug as ppl scream cu...
I just don't even run the dungeon and instead hunt wow players, feasting upon their flesh for sustenance
pallid quiver
new route just dropped
cerulean tusk
ruby musk
I will just press W, and when I get to the end just do a /shrug as ppl scream cu...
This is what I do and I still got 3k+
They can seethe for the next 45 minutes in queue while youre onto the next one
pallid quiver
I think I'd need 17s or some shit at this rate to hit 3k on my war
azure crag
I was kinda hoping for a nerf to the bloodguards in ara kara.
Cause they suck and I hate them and they should be removed.
cerulean tusk
The heck are the bloodguards?
mellow yoke
I was kinda hoping for a nerf to the bloodguards in ara kara.
Cause they suck an...
Bloodguards hate will not be tolerated
azure crag
The heck are the bloodguards?
The big beetles that reduce all their friends damage taken by 50%
mellow yoke
tbh
cerulean tusk
Why the heck are they called bloodguards, they aint vampires
azure crag
I thought they were called broodguards for the longest time, then I read their name
mellow yoke
but that means no funnel
azure crag
and it said bloodguard
cerulean tusk
We shall see
ppl still gonna forget to bring their mortalwounds effect and fail at last miniboss somehow
lofty warren
azure crag
ppl still gonna forget to bring their mortalwounds effect and fail at last minib...
Me when my rogue is desperately fumbling in his bag to put on the mortal wound poison
cerulean tusk
The only thing that matters is less casters
lofty warren
Had to pull all mobs I the dang dungeon to get enough count
cerulean tusk
Me when my rogue is desperately fumbling in his bag to put on the mortal wound p...
Me when the hunter doesnt have any pet with it as an option
mellow yoke
completely unrelated question but does BM hunter need to change pets to use BL
grim pilot
No
mellow yoke
ty
cerulean tusk
Yes? Tenacity pets dont have Heroism, no?
frosty mango
Only ferocity
mighty valley
this puts the FUN in FUNnel
mighty valley
this was definitely worth replying to a 20 min old post for
grim pilot
Bm should have bl pet at all times iirc
grim pilot
Ferocity is leech
cerulean tusk
I rather take the extra defencive and HP% bonus, every day of the week, than have my pets heal with leech
Pet do the damage = pet get the healing
real cliff
Bm should have bl pet at all times iirc
misty charm
why do i get blasted in streets so hard man.. got shieldblock up and basically get one shot on the last pack of the market.. im just too dumb for warrior it seems.. i can do high ish keys on all tanks but warrior for some reason
undone beacon
why do i get blasted in streets so hard man.. got shieldblock up and basically g...
The Strongarms do big magic damage on each autoattack, so SB isn’t helping with that. Gotta throw Shield Walls and Spell Reflects for that pack
Literally the only dangerous pack in that dungeon for tanks
misty charm
its so weird tho, warrior seems very straight forward but its the only tank i get smacked and i dont understand why.. is it just that warrior needs more cooldown planning to be as effective as others?
lusty grotto
are you keeping SB up
misty charm
yea 90% uptime this key.. yea i do
lusty grotto
then yes in essence warrior is a proactive tank
you cannot play reactively
you will fail
this is the way we've always been
since vanilla
you send CDs according to the damage youre going to take
its not too hard, we have resources including Sense's sheet that's always updated
and pinned and in the #protection-faq
misty charm
hmm damn.. i usually play monk so im used to having to know the packs somewhat but egh
lusty grotto
its less complicated, you just send walls
no reason to hold em
and SR is a 20s cd, not to mention as thane we play TL so demo shout is up quick
lofty warren
https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-106832773725359...
Is that not true? I always thought bm can lust whenevr
real cliff
Is that not true? I always thought bm can lust whenevr
u gotta have lust pet out
which is not all the time if u are playing to live
misty charm
and SR is a 20s cd, not to mention as thane we play TL so demo shout is up quick
whats TL?
lusty grotto
thunderlord
lofty warren
Do bms have instant pet swap or do they have to dismiss and cast to sum?
misty charm
ah right
real cliff
Do bms have instant pet swap or do they have to dismiss and cast to sum?
dismiss 3s cast and then switch xd
very annoying tbh
lofty warren
Eww. Haven't touched hunter since sl but if I recall locks can instant summon and kill their pet. Same with dk
real cliff
lock is arguably worse, they can instant call a pet on a 3 minute cd but other then that its like a 5 second cast to summon one
horror
lofty warren
Number of seconds tank needs to spend to summon pet: 0
mighty valley
Number of seconds tank needs to cast bloodlust: infinity
mellow yoke
warrior should be eligible to bloodlust
frosty mango
Staying alive on warrior is very simple
Press shield wall when lots of shit is beating on you and don’t get hit in the back
There’s more nuance when you’re talking optimization but for the most part if you keep shield block up, press shield wall, and keep things in front of you, you won’t die
frosty mango
That’ll carry you until like 15-16
frosty mango
also dumping some rage in IP evry once in a while
I consider that a dps rotation 
Send all the rage
rose flame
What's the cheat death trinket this patch?
frosty mango
When Nim says we aren’t a reactive tank to put that very simply
If you are at 20% health and press shield wall, you are still at 20% health
If you are at 100% health and press shield wall, you are still at 100% health.
Objectively speaking it’s mitigating the same amount of damage just doing it earlier vastly lowers the chances that your health ever actually gets low….which is good.
frosty mango
What's the cheat death trinket this patch?
Uh I think it drops off dimensions?
All devouring nucleus?
mighty valley
well, you're probably at 20% health because you didn't mitigate the bulk of the damage haha
mellow yoke
also it's not a quite a good trinket
once u cheat death u dont do dmg from it
and it's an 8 min cd
lofty warren
But if you are at 20% and know more damage is incoming you should still press wall
mighty valley
you should try not to die, yes
sick sentinel
is 2 piece pretty important?
mighty valley
most of the power in the thane set is from 4pc
i'd just optimize to get to 4pc asap
mighty valley
dear god, I thought I was slow
lofty warren
eco dome is so easy lmao
Want a challenge? Pull 3x of the arcane slash guys after boss 1 in eco d
round pendant
I'm good
frosty mango
Want a challenge? Pull 3x of the arcane slash guys after boss 1 in eco d
That’s ez just dps them down one at a time and outrange the smash
If you want to have real fun spin them in circles when they are slashing like Russian roulette for dps
mighty valley
this sounds so fun and useful
lofty warren
My brian too small for that id end up failing the charge, intervening to wrong guy and having slash go on everyone
frosty mango
My brian too small for that id end up failing the charge, intervening to wrong g...
That’s a them problem
plush tendon
I feel like thats a terrible idea
not cause of slashes, but dont they pulse aoe damage below 50%?
frosty mango
Yesterday on dim a warlock dropped a gate into the tank circle from where we were taking the knockback
Half the raid had gateway control shards and instantly just flew into the tank circle
Gotta admit that was an s tier troll
frosty mango
not cause of slashes, but dont they pulse aoe damage below 50%?
Also a dps problem
plush tendon
Also a dps problem
yea, but their whining makes me frustrated
mellow yoke
That’s ez just dps them down one at a time and outrange the smash
that's
mellow yoke
practically impossible
frosty mango
That’s ok too, we’ll find a new key immediately
lunar flare
Finally timed a dawnbreaker 13 AND the pugs were chill so we all became friends and did the eco dome 14 too
A great day
Things hurt a little bit on 14s, I have discovered
plush tendon
each key level is for sure a step up in difficulty
just gotta innoculate yourself to them
and then they become easy
dense cradle
just gotta innoculate yourself to them
12s easier than 10s atp
less dumb dumbs+no affix
plush tendon
taken in a vacuum, 10s are objectively easier then 12s. What makes 12s easier is the people who do 12s are better
the affix buffs are actually quite strong
lusty grotto
i just got called a meta chaser
shrewd grove
i just got called a meta chaser
frosty mango
I’ve been called so much worse
lusty grotto
mage was frost lol
plush tendon
idk if its me, but every 15 ive done, the mages we pugged have been garbo
lusty grotto
we timed btw
plush tendon
im so done with mage players
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto
lusty grotto
he was with a paladin and a priest
plush tendon
just give me Ret, FDK, Havoc
dense cradle
I’ve never played with a mage that wasnt an affix
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Can you type “yoda” please
dusky canopy
Type “yoda” hit send
lusty grotto
im trying but it doesnt work
dusky canopy
Try again
frosty mango
lusty grotto
what the fuck
dusky canopy
HAH Gottem
plush tendon
I got a duck
lusty grotto
ok Roid, you got me at "intellij"
dusky canopy
You keep your kpop roid
dusky canopy
I’ll keep cranking lamb of god and smacking my forehead on raging blow bind
Like a badass
lusty grotto
lmao
frosty mango
I’ll keep cranking lamb of god and smacking my forehead on raging blow bind
im on throwback today
dusky canopy
Today is tomorrow’s yesterday
heavy sparrow
Lmao
lusty grotto
im on throwback today
bruh
i told my team i went to see incubus live for a teambuilding question about events
and 3 of them didnt know what incubus was
i was like
dusky canopy
Bro you old as hell
Grew roots ffs
Don’t worry I soon join the three o club
You soon join five o
round pendant
I can retire
no more pug suffering
tho I'm prob gonna go for 15 all this season peepo
chrome falcon
you can do it gamer i believe
dusky canopy
Congration you dun it!!
lunar flare
We have both ascended this day
lusty grotto
You soon join five o
dusky canopy
I’ll nuke any hunter if they point fire arrow at you my guy don’t worry
grim pilot
hurts not playing with tier
ngl
when i simmed it loss was bigger than i expected
but i'm lowkey waiting for vault probably
this is 2days old char
round pendant
cant drop hands
0 boots in 80ish dungeons
so
granted some of those dungeons don't drop boots
round pendant
encountered a new bug on dawnbreaker today
the instant I jumped off the boat to go to the last boss area
timer was counting
I died.
lusty grotto
thats not a bug
lunar flare
Amazing
mellow yoke
Blizzard should not let people decide dungeons
They just care about loot
not even considering there might be better loot from raid/other dungeons and it could be nerfed
round pendant
well it is, but its not new
new for me is all I meant
also as much as I complain about my lack of gear
my s2 2p saved me earlier
I screwed up on first boss dawn and didn't have a defensive for obsidian beam
and it procced like 0.1s before
neat geyser
Hey guys new to the disc and prot but not tanking in general. Quick question, is it pretty commonly accepted that Pacemaker is the BIS trinket along with Brand?
Got a hero brand drop during guild raid prog last night and it replaced the nether gate I was running. I have a 6/6 hero Secret Technique and I’m trying to debate if the consistent up time of a crit buff is better than the inconsistent up time of pacemaker.
mighty valley
As always it's a sim angle but yeah it's expected that pacemaker outperforms secret technique
neat geyser
Good point I’ll run some fresh sims later and double check before going to the hell march grind of doing 100 floods to not get it lol
lusty grotto
Hey guys new to the disc and prot but not tanking in general. Quick question, is...
secret technique is garbage
F tier
and yes pacemaker has been one of the top ones
brand, tome, pacemaker, those are our big 3
solid sun
we're back
neat geyser
secret technique is garbage
Yeah this has been my feeling, I saw somewhere it was really good and I used it for a bit and was like "Wait, what? Really?"
neon elk
Dayum big hoa nerfs
mellow bridge
Ofc you feel it being garbage when it's virtually the same stats as pacemaker when averaged over a minute and it buffs a group member
Makes sense
lusty grotto
Yeah this has been my feeling, I saw somewhere it was really good and I used it ...
it used to be good in SL for "certain" tanks
but never for us
not even back then
its been astro garbage for us
neat geyser
Gotcha, totally makes sense, seems like Brand/Pacemaker is the way to go for the big zug zug, easy choice
lusty grotto
even more so now with the changes
brand/tome/pace
yeah
well, brand/tome/pace/antenna
those are the big 4
neat geyser
I have seen that tome tends to be more favored in a raid/single target situation, is that pretty acurrate? Brand/Pace for M+, Brand/Tome for Raid?
lusty grotto
no i use tome for everything
big crit
big prio damage
the uptime suffers a little bit, but thats fine
neat geyser
Oh interesting, gonna have to run some sims for Brand/Tome vs Brand/Pace. Too bad the sims just show damage and not survivability. If you just go off sims Brand looks like crap for some reason
lusty grotto
or you could have looked at this
icyveins is also similar
since both writers are our mods
and valkyrs
neat geyser
Huh, I swear I have read this page at least a dozen times and missed this section, need to start running more int irl
ornate thicket
For the wowhead m+ build running execute talents what could you drop to get sudden death added in?
lusty grotto
i wouldnt
you'd have to drop instigate and thats a nono
no reason to be sudden death
chrome falcon
Sucks that SD just isn’t very good
lusty grotto
its good, its just stupid to run it cause youll overcap like a madman
ornate thicket
It seems good in theory if you take all the execute talents
chrome falcon
its good, its just stupid to run it cause youll overcap like a madman
Sometimes in raid you hit burst of power, 2 SD charged and 2 thunder blast charges
Then your TB resets
lusty grotto
yeah lol
chrome falcon
Like you have to press literal 8 buttons before something goes on CD
hilarious spec
ornate thicket
Haha kind of awesome but i can see it being global locked
lusty grotto
ive only ran the vault build
and if i need BSV i just swap massacre
so thats 3 execute talents, or 2 with bsv
0 reason to run anything else
ornate thicket
I ran the bsv build for my first 10 this season only because i was 680ilvl and had no idea how durable i was going to be
jagged gust
Better than having to spam revenge in any case
lusty grotto
in fact, i dont think Sense has even touched it
ornate thicket
I went 2 5 8 10 first keys of the season so it was a test lol
And i took like no dmg
Little spicy first pull of gambit was all
ornate thicket
For sure. I skipped retail season2 and have been healer main on mop classic so just wanted a safe option to knock the rust off while i get some gear
It was overkill tho
neon elk
Priory and flood are probably only dungs where im like " yea gotta focus on that first pull"
neon elk
Nim u play spriest?
neon elk
Is it like hella bad for them if they have to move a bit during fight ?
solid sun
Sudden Death is something I try to avoid
No back hits, keep shield block up, etc
That way I don’t suddenly die
:)
lusty grotto
Is it like hella bad for them if they have to move a bit during fight ?
yeah it is but
they have to do it
solid sun
My spriest friend is annoyed constantly about movement
Tbf he’s annoyed about most things, but def movement is number 1
neon elk
Always tought of them as sort of bm , like they just dot stuff and and chill had one rage quite hard recently cuz i kept chaining packs
lusty grotto
yes if you move packs
they cant land crash
just give them a bit until they land it
south zealot
lmfao
lusty grotto
are you playing yet choco
south zealot
nah not home enough for me to justify subbing
neon elk
Yea i guess im gona avoid them ngl , most of spriests i played with werr below average compared to rest of dps i prefer
south zealot
id rather have 2 meals
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
Yea i guess im gona avoid them ngl , most of spriests i played with werr below...
the higher you go, the better theyll get
neon elk
Last one i had has 2m less overal* dps than other 2 , and that was in 14 ( was different one to the bitching about movement one xd)
solid sun
What are your favorite dps specs to select
sacred patrol
DK, havoc, arcane
neon elk
I prefer dk the most i guess , grips are godsend , then mage dh rogue hunter lock, whatever fills the groups needs
undone beacon
just had my first toxic pug experience, surprised it took 4 weeks
10 gambit for weekly, hunter in narnia for pirate dragon
"Trash tank never seen a tank that cant hit all the adds"
solid sun
loooooooooooooooooool oh no
lusty grotto
lmao
oak karma
what if I just stop pressing revenge
undone beacon
it was awesome
warm plinth
@lusty grotto new PR but still not quite 😭
warm plinth
Surprised there was timer left after 6 wipes
Also did he think you could tank the adds lol
toxic pewter
Can you leave after timer expires or even that can get you leaver penalty
lusty grotto
not entirely certain but my understanding is you can
azure crag
I've heard that's the case, yeah. Once the timer is out, you're free to go
deft mortar
wtf replaced a haste/mastery ring with a haste/vers ring
gave me 6% vers
????
it cant be that bad lmao
lunar flare
Can you leave after timer expires or even that can get you leaver penalty
Yes you can. We did this yesterday
toxic pewter
Ok
cerulean tusk
Ok
You can leave when:
- Timer has ran out or Timer is completed (finishing the run)
- When another player has left the group
- everyone goes outside at the same time, you reset the dungeon, and the leaver warning prompt disappear.
When in doubt, just head outside and see if you get a warning ⚠️
If you got someone that went offline, all 4 can manually report for boosting/deranking, and that player gets removed.
fluid beacon
worth doing time walking for any of the trinkets?
cerulean tusk
Doubt it, but you could get the boots from the chest if ya don't already have em
fluid beacon
i have them but i think agi users that want crit get a sick trinket
this seems pretty massive
one of my guildies got it and said it has a 33% uptime for him
actually its whichever is the highest stat. thought its just crit
acoustic notch
Should i try put the IP in 100% of capacity?
cerulean tusk
Press IP when:
- to stop overcapping rage
- to soften a tanbuster
And that is basically it
acoustic notch
and not use ip until it runs out and I have anger left over?
cerulean tusk
Just the two things mentioned matters
acoustic notch
and isn't it better to mitigate almost 7 million instead of more than 2 million from a single IP?
cerulean tusk
Nim, I am confused - what he mean by 7m Vs 2m
lusty grotto
1 sec in a key
cerulean tusk
Either way, IP to dump rage or to soften a tanbuster
acoustic notch
So the idea is to use an IP and before it runs out, either due to time or because the damage it mitigates has been reduced, use another one?
cerulean tusk
If it doesn't happen naturally, then it is because you spend the rage on IP so you get starved in the first place
IP is basically just a dump, a bonus for rage overflow and not something you try to minmax uptime as a focus
acoustic notch
Okay
lusty grotto
So the idea is to use an IP and before it runs out, either due to time or becaus...
the idea is not care about the IP's value
send it like Funky said
is it up? send it if 70+ rage
is it down? send it if 70+ rage
is it partially filled? send it anyway at 70+ rage
is it capped? send it anyway at 70+ rage
your biggest mitigation is maintaining SB anyway
round pendant
honestly
dragon boss on gambit needs to be deleted
I think that might be the most shittily designed boss in all of mmorpg gaming history
cerulean tusk
Want a protip? Don't kill adds with breath, use them as cleave and funnel
serene quail
Want a protip? Don't kill adds with breath, use them as cleave and funnel <:Hydr...
that's why my keys always failed!
I Know what to do now! cleave the adds!
serene quail
put the fire in front of the beach, right?
torpid heron
Does anyone know anything about issues like this? My global isn't spinning smoothly and it's giga clipping. It does get worse in Dornogal, but still happens in instances like dungeons. My ping is a constant 19 and my spellqueue window is 400
torpid heron
tried that already and it's basically the same
sinful copper
I think that might be the most shittily designed boss in all of mmorpg gaming hi...
Even worse on hard mode too
lusty grotto
the only thing that occurs to me that dorn does is it lowers fps drastically
but i doubt thats the case
torpid heron
its definitely lower in dornogal than it is in keys
but I do have the issue in keys too, just less
lusty grotto
i dont think FPS should fuck with your gcd tbh
but its worth a try
lower view distance to 1
environmental detail to 1
and ground clutter to 1
and shadows to low
and see if it makes any difference
lusty grotto
yeah with those settings i dont think your stuff will go any lower
idk could be a packet loss issue
torpid heron
I just don't have the issue on other games so I'm not sure
how can I even check for packet loss
lusty grotto
torpid heron
lusty grotto
yeah no idea
just use 150 spell queue
def do not use 400
400 is banned
also make sure you restart the game
after changing it
deft mortar
do yall get sudden freeze
of the game when Xalxatath spawns
or some large graphics load up before a boss/mob spell etc.
cerulean tusk
Once in a while, it is WAs, I updated and removed old ones and it was fine again
deft mortar
playing on cyborg 15 A13V laptop - it aint that bad
carmine topaz
Any downsides to extending SB duration by using all stacks + shield charge as soon as I can?
torpid heron
ngl changing the spell queue window to 150 kinda fixed it
at least so far
gonna give it a shot in a key
I never restarted my game changing the queue window
deft mortar
My guess it is the blizzTM add-on watcher making it lag out
hmmm
mighty valley
Any downsides to extending SB duration by using all stacks + shield charge as so...
Unless you’re running Heavy Rep you can’t really get 100% uptime, so you do wanna make sure you’re not wasting uptime when the pull is over and you’re traveling to the next
Also so long as sb has a healthy duration and the cooldown is rolling, IP does more for you as a rage spender
But for the most part it’s fine to just mash it out early in a pull
carmine topaz
I often run into the issue of needing to press SB and not having rage
it drops off and then I'm in trouble
carmine topaz
yeah, I'm still getting used to the info overload of spells lighting up and stressing about renewing IP and SB
I'm definitely button mashing a lot more than I should
getting there tho
😄
mighty valley
Don’t stress about IP, you’d probably be better off not tracking it at all at this stage
Just press it when rage >70
carmine topaz
yeah I've been told that, was quite surprised but when I stop to think about it for more than 2 seconds it makes a lot of sense
it's kinda gonna be up by default so tracking it isn't really helping
mighty valley
Yeah, good IP is a byproduct of maximizing rage income
which you get by not emptying the tank on IP and always pressing gcd buttons
There comes a point where you wanna make sure it’s stocked for specific tankbusters but that’s the exception
warm plinth
Even then, you can ensure that by just pressing it a couple of times in succession prior to the hit.
Still don't need to track it
shrewd lake
Howdy, What can i use that automatically switches the DISC belt depending on spec?
lusty grotto
no idea
mortal cypress
Howdy, What can i use that automatically switches the DISC belt depending on sp...
There is this but I think it only warns you that it's wrong. It can't physically change the spec. https://wago.io/3-ScN592a
ornate thicket
so execute has a 25% chance to reset shield slam....when its 3 targets with heavy handed is the chance also applied to the extra hits?
dry skiff
i feel like healing reduction impacts my ignore pain absorb
had 100 stacks in dawn and ignore pain wasnnt kicking in dick
shrewd lake
What is a good emblelishment on a bracer for both prot and fury. I only have a crafted 2h for Fury
shrewd lake
There is this but I think it only warns you that it's wrong. It can't physically...
Thank you, I just set that up
lusty grotto
i feel like healing reduction impacts my ignore pain absorb
it does
lusty grotto
What is a good emblelishment on a bracer for both prot and fury. I only have a c...
theres none
you gotta run with fury ones, i am
lusty grotto
so execute has a 25% chance to reset shield slam....when its 3 targets with heav...
no
azure crag
Do goblin jumper cables ever actually fail?
I've used like 7 at this point and they've never failed
small sample size, but it does seem like the chance to fail is quite low
frosty mango
AFAIK they cannot fail or if they can it’s very rare
I’ve prob used a few hundred and they have never failed
shut summit
have had them fail
shrewd lake
theres none
boo, so i have a crafted bracer useless with the banding i think
lusty grotto
boo, so i have a crafted bracer useless with the banding i think
yup same here
not a big deal
vocal pecan
Hey, I have seen multiple discussions about reflect netherblast adds' cast on nexus king platforms but didn't see any conclusion about it. Is it possible to reflect it?
frosty mango
I just did a 10 pug on my alt where I outdpsed someone as the healer
It’s wild out there
mortal cypress
lmao
frosty mango
Hey, I have seen multiple discussions about reflect netherblast adds' cast on ne...
There’s a spreadsheet in the pins with a list
Should be all deflects iirc
bleak parcel
😦
i just bricked hella keys on my brew alt 10s are hell
especially before reset in na
mortal cypress
i just bricked hella keys on my brew alt 10s are hell
dry skiff
ey i'm kinda lost with this ability as warrior. never had a problem with it on any other tank. i can pull the entire dungeon on me no problem but this ability wrecks me O_o
how do you deal with it ?
dry skiff
reflect for magic reduciton only ?
lusty grotto
for MDR yea
narrow thicket
Is there a haste I want to stop at for warrior tank?
I'm pretty sure I'm way over but I just started gear it
narrow thicket
Ok I'm at 31k
lusty grotto
since ilvl > all
bleak parcel
what the hell man
narrow thicket
709 ilvl currently
lusty grotto
ok then stop
that's not starting to gear it lmao
thats right on the cusp of ilvl caps before reset
narrow thicket
Alright
lusty grotto
and here i am at 711 with 22k haste lol
narrow thicket
I do have to replace my ara trinket and my neck. The neck is heavy haste with mastery. If I get the haste crit neck + removing ara trinket I'll drop like 4-5k haste which is perfect
lusty grotto
heavy haste and mastery is fine
mastery is not something you want to ignore or remove
@warm plinth
as long as its hero track or higher, youre fine
narrow thicket
its not
lusty grotto
ah well
narrow thicket
lusty grotto
cabochon is heavy haste versa
its basically streets neck, or gambit neck
both are pretty solid
narrow thicket
Vers or mastery would I prefer? I thought to go for vers more
lusty grotto
that neck is also pretty damn good in hero track or better
both stats are good
so whatever drops first
narrow thicket
I also have the heroic dimensious ring. Things got a ton of haste
wish it had more crit
lime spruce
is monday night m+ pugging all the catfish that didn't do their homework on time
my groups are ass lol
lofty glen
where did you got this XD
lofty glen
All the shit players do 10s today😭
well dont wanna bother you but all shit players play now 10 from reset day to reset day. go to 12
mortal cypress
where did you got this XD
I made it
lofty glen
guys. is there a reason why we should play collosus? did see that yoda run a flood 18 with it
undone verge
guys. is there a reason why we should play collosus? did see that yoda run a flo...
better defensively I believe
less dam
lofty glen
better defensively I believe
how? i always have 100 stacks IP and shildblock up
undone verge
how? i always have 100 stacks IP and shildblock up
are you doing 18s?
lofty glen
nope but there are 20 with MT thats why i ask
mortal cypress
pls make it with my name too need it
Not at pc rn sorry
bleak parcel
people are doing 20s with mt yoda is just a content farmer
lofty glen
people are doing 20s with mt yoda is just a content farmer
ah thats why he dopps his collo stacks mid dungeon XD
undone verge
nope but there are 20 with MT thats why i ask
its a preference thing, you can do 20s as thane some ppl just run more defensively, could help if you're running with an uncoordinated group I suppose, or if you are just not as good as button pressing
Its like the people who run defensive trinkets
dense cradle
I have trust issues with people that play double tank trinket
jagged pier
I have trust issue with people that run any tank trinkets
undone verge
I love looking at these rank 1 m+ damage parses for low keys. The strat for getting rank 1 damage is apparently; pull all trash>watch dps chain die>live for 3 minutes on 30 target cleave>time key by 30 seconds
dense cradle
i mean sometimes i can understand 1? If it's an explicit giving you another defensive one
those passive shield ones are kind of yikes though
undone verge
Idk I dont like to wear defensive trinkets, but I'm and optimization psychopath. Defensive trinkets allow people to play above their skill level and I think its great design giving players that option. Outside of bleeding edge and title content you're never going to need to consider those trinkets, but also outside of that content you never need to consider playing the perfect build, gear, or trinkets. Also is nice for class fantasy cause there is a part of me that does want to just stand there and never see my healthbar move, but its overshadowed by the part of me that wants to beat a dps player
dense cradle
so never play bdk
undone verge
BDK fills the other class fantasy of mine where I see my entire healthbar move at once
I like two tanks, prot warrior and bdk
fair beacon
huh ... its back. what happened to the server last night?
thoguth we went the way of the paladin
remote tusk
I like two tanks, prot warrior and bdk
I like three tanks.
My main prot warrior, my alt prot warrior, and my other alt prot warrior.
toxic gyro
I have trust issues with prot warriors that play full farm build and have 40-65% sb uptime and are massive pain to healer and randomly die too. Even worse when they play their own shit route.
frozen zenith
is the loot table for raid finder different from normal
a brand dropped and i couldnt roll even in prot spec 🙁
toxic gyro
a brand dropped and i couldnt roll even in prot spec 🙁
Your loot spec was set to different than prot?
frozen zenith
it is set to prot*
and i coudlnt roll on it- altho it said raid finder on it so idk if that means its not in my loot table
remote tusk
Did you change it WHEN the loot dropped & are you sure you had PROT loot spec?
It has to be set before the loot drops.
lone current
Do you have one already hidden in your bags/bank/warband bank?
shrewd lake
Question, after a new season, why would the route in floodgate or priory change. Why does it matter if the dungeon is the exact same
obtuse ledge
hi guys real quick, there's times where I'm running out of things to press because i got shield slam and thunder clap on cd, i haven't ran any m+ yet bc I'm trying to get this down before i do. am i just too low on haste? do i need to take into the fray instead of heavy repercussions?
placid dove
Is there a unanimous best weakaura package for prot?
jagged pier
Is there a unanimous best weakaura package for prot?
no
jagged pier
hi guys real quick, there's times where I'm running out of things to press becau...
your likely over spending on IP so u dont have rage for revenge to fill
jagged pier
Question, after a new season, why would the route in floodgate or priory change....
well they arent the exact same, tuning and changing have happened to both dungeons
placid dove
pick the one you like
Haha that's the problem :/
shrewd lake
well they arent the exact same, tuning and changing have happened to both dungeo...
Like, what
obtuse ledge
your likely over spending on IP so u dont have rage for revenge to fill
okay got it. do people run the execute build or just focus solely on survival? should i not even bother pressing it
shrewd lake
As in they change the mobs?
shrewd lake
well they fact they completely changed the first boss of priory
But why would that matter isn't it all relatively the same
jagged pier
okay got it. do people run the execute build or just focus solely on survival? s...
thats a comfort thing
jagged pier
But why would that matter isn't it all relatively the same
no it creates worse / harder overlaps
so its not relatively the same
shrewd lake
Okay
I just did the last season route and got flamed then we bricked early, so I wanted to know why it mattered so much.
obtuse ledge
i didnt even know there was a new route for priory lol
do people ever take bloodborne+bloodsurge? i saw it on a video but wasnt sure if it was legit or not
lunar flare
I just did the last season route and got flamed then we bricked early, so I want...
Unless you did some weirdo pulling, they’re probably just flaming you because it’s the easy way out
jagged pier
dimi what?
because its a heavy magic damage fight
i think its just what else you are gunna take?
they are all taking that too
i dunno the ppl i looked at were
i don tknow how u can check top 20 when only 5 prot warriors have publicly logged the fight
yes
ppl copy
all the time
it happens in m+
ppl jsut copy
if you are progging demi mythic right now
u shouldnt be confused
u should know the talents u want to run tbh
sim
personally i would looks to run this
but im not there
so i cant tell u
nope
someones killed it without it
so u dont
looking at that im almost certain he that person could ahve waited the extra .3 seconds
to not go to the 3 stacks
why are u not taking shield spec
hes the one boss whose melees actually hurt u
neon elk
"Only" 3rd most imactfull source of his dmg , meanwhile u choose to pick 2% haste , but u do u i guess .
neon elk
In top gear its on bottom right side below vers gems ( pc version)
Just above talents
Np
round pendant
I hate that eu resets 1 day later
little lark
i like that na is beta testing patches for us
cerulean tusk
That also means that NA gets to exploit early and often, while EU gets the fixed version
hidden cradle
What are the consensus on trinkets for M+? I won't have access to any Myth track raid trinkets. Is it Pacemaker+Tome?
lofty glen
IF i get antenna hero track.... do i swapp it with tome? have brand as 2nd (playing m+ +raid)
blazing ridge
I swear if I don't get Brand next week I am gonna cry
Is the LFR version better than a 710 Tome?
lofty glen
i sommed champ 8/8 to myth 6/6 and it was only 2% more dmg.
overall it does in m+ like 12-15% of my dmg tome on hero only 3-5%
dandom pic i had
neon elk
Are u colo ?
Also u dont look only at % it did , first of all % is subjetcive , if u do low dmg then trinket will have higher % value , second tome dmg is "low" in overal, u dont see crit it provides in details and its strenght isnt overal its prio/st dmg, thats why u run it
round pendant
god I cooked up some good routes this season
lofty glen
Are u colo ?
no this was at the start of MT where i prefed revenge over ip. yesterday i did a 10 priory with 4,5 mil and trinked did 13%
neon elk
Thats a lot of revenges ngl xd
jagged pier
no wonder brand is so high
you the wrong prio of spells
revenge should not be that high
lofty glen
bro fml its an random pic
strong forum
round pendant
A random pic that's irrelevant to the point you're trying to make?
lunar flare
narrow jay
If you aren't spending your rage on ignore pain it should be spent on execute. Execute should be like your second highest damage unless you aren't running any of the execute talents
Execute is way more damage than revenge
fallen marlin
Hello there,anyone have or know how to make a WA that let me know when i dont have shild block up,somthing with sound 😅
Coz i am kinda new to warr and still cant get used to it
lunar flare
Hello there,anyone have or know how to make a WA that let me know when i dont ha...
I've made one that makes a sonar sound every 3sec if you're in combat, you have a charge of shield block ready and the rage to use it, but you have no shield block active
If you want it?
It can be very annoying, but I guess that's the whole point
lunar flare
DMed you
It's not perfect: when you fly to rash'anan p2 in dawnbreaker you'll hear the sound because you're still in combat
But it's helped me a lot as a relative beginner
hard tundra
Hey! Still kind of new to prot warrior. What is a decent % of uptime on Shield block in m+?
high latch
Hey! Still kind of new to prot warrior. What is a decent % of uptime on Shield ...
90% is decent if you run ITF. 95% is about as good as you can get it. 100% if you instead run Heavy Repercussions.
neon elk
Trycto rather look into logs at blocked hits @hard tundra
high latch
But the important thing isn't really your SB uptime, it's how many melees you block
neon elk
Try to*
hard tundra
Alright, thanks
Still learning. I tend to blow too mucg rage on IP and thren starved when sb runs out
high latch
SB is definitely higher priority than IP. We only really use IP to avoid capping on rage.
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto good morning
round pendant
I've made one that makes a sonar sound every 3sec if you're in combat, you have ...
My SB WA plays a vine boom whenever it's about to fall off
lunar flare
My SB WA plays a vine boom whenever it's about to fall off
Iconic
Vine, gone but never forgotten
fathom oasis
I've been farming so many low keys looking for trinkets that I've grown accustomed to always having an IP buffer tbh
round pendant
I can't tell you whether or not I have any IP at all at any given time
fathom oasis
Also, in some very specific fights I feel like SB is kinda useless
Like Priory last boss
fathom oasis
That much? If you don't kick smites I feel like it's way less than 30%
frosty mango
Also
She does melee you
That is in fact the majority of the damage on that fight
Yam beat me
I took 20m melee and mitigated 90%
round pendant
damn roid why did you take so much less inner fire damage than me
frosty mango
I did 3m dps ya boy was pumping
round pendant
2.3m no tier set :^(
frosty mango
What’s your avg hit on inner fire
round pendant
1.67m
I prob just didn't shield wall
not that it matters
I'm asleep during that entire fight
fathom oasis
What key is that? Shouldnt you be tanking the smites so that she never casts an empowered blinding light?
round pendant
only a +12 cause my friends are scawed of pwiowy
fathom oasis
If it's a 10 it's irrelevant ofc