#protection
jagged pier
pearl zinc
dry skiff
sorry about the confusion this class in 2 days old xD power gearing my alts
strong forum
jagged pier
lunar flare
I rebound this to shift+scroll, took some re learning for a couple days but now I am a dirty scroll wheel IP gamer
lofty glen
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif
fair sonnet
I rebound this to shift+scroll, took some re learning for a couple days but now ...
I have had shift, alt, and ctrl + MWU/MWD bound to other stuff for well over a decade by now
could use double modifier for that though 🤔
somber hollow
been playing war since wednesday, are there any other useful macros like ignore pain + shield slam?
had to reroll fast from prot pala as our bdk kept ripping my aggro, trying to make it as easy as possible until i feel comfortable on it
spark patrol
I strongly advise against macro IP with anything. You will end up in one of the 3 situations:
- not enough rage for SB or heal when you need it, which is worst case scenario
- no rage for revenge when both SS and TC are on cd, and you sit with 100 stack IP not using anything
- no rage to refresh IP between pulls in M+
jagged pier
i think u miss understand the macro hes talking about
u are macroing SS to IP
it replaces your IP bind
u still have a SS bind
that macro just snipes SS resets when u press IP
slender bison
The most important warrior macro in 2025 is /abandon 
spark patrol
In that case it does make sense, yes
jagged pier
it never better because of this
yep
4% magic dr also not gunna do anthing
otherwise we would have raved about spellbreaker
we dont know
they never say
from what we can gather
its im not dying i dont need it
but they coose EA over it
or bloodbourne
which both provide less
thant shield spec
like we looked at Senses 18 gambit if he didnt have shield spec he would have taken like ~160k dps a second more basically
slightly less because not accounting for crit blocks etc but close to that number
a second tho
5 seconds uve taken an extra 1 mill damage
ish
thats more mana being spent etc etc
and that wasnt even looking into the extra damage the magic damage would do
cause IP will stop less magic dam as your are taking more blockable damage
bloodborune or EA
yes
I dont know where ppl are getting builds that dont have both but have bloodborune
because thats not what we recommend
better than most
but BB is useless unless your colossus
thats not providing u anything really
your not buffing bleed damage like colossus
ye
right yer your not going to notice the bloodbournce difference
thats a tiny part of your damage
because your now taking more blockable damage because u dont have shield spec
your IP now absorbs more damage
that t wasnt before
u never not taking shield spec, your actively making IP weakier against magic damage not taking it
albeit a small amount it will do less against magic if u dont have shield spec
its not the block chance we care about
finite harbor
the block value is higher
finite harbor
more blocked, less damage absorbed by IP, more IP to absorb magic damage
rugged plover
Hia, not a warrior but rather a healer and I need some clarification - should a prot warrior be in battle stance for say 45% of a key (he's kinda taking giga damage and i feel like I'm putting a lot of healing into him). Sorry if this is not the place to ask.
jagged pier
well if u dont have shield block up, which we dont sometimes because we odont have free uptime now
it will give u more blocks when u dont have it up
jagged pier
Hia, not a warrior but rather a healer and I need some clarification - should a ...
what lvl?
rugged plover
13, he's 710
jagged pier
no
he should just be in d stance
its 20% reduced damage perma
its dumb not to be in it
in raid or low keys 10/11 lower
sure perfectly fine
rugged plover
thank you ❤️
jagged pier
np
thats fine
thats means bloodborune isnt worse then because your arent running ITF as bleeds are hasted
that very irrelevant
slender bison
Hia, not a warrior but rather a healer and I need some clarification - should a ...
Some tanks do limit testing, but that's not the case here, prot warr get yo-yo hp when shield block is down.
But there is no reason to sit in defensive stance at several bosses: EDA worm and last boss, Dawn last one, priory last one etc. The 3% crit is a 3rd mediocre trinket so any DPS helps when timer is tight
rugged plover
Some tanks do limit testing, but that's not the case here, prot warr get yo-yo h...
Thank you for the response, all seem valid but its good to get confirmation.
viscid lantern
can someone DM me the thane execute m+ build? Tyvm 🙂
jagged pier
its on wowhead
viscid lantern
which one?
viscid lantern
nice ty
torpid dome
he should just be in d stance
you'd just be in D-stance most of the dungeon from 13+ keys basically then?
fathom oasis
i think that's the wowhead build though? ill double check
torpid dome
or is it more so a thing of "learn the pull, learn how much dmg you'll take there" kind of thing
jagged pier
i think 3% crit is pointless outside of raid parsing
fathom oasis
well, it's 20% less damage taken vs 1.5% more damage done right? sounds like you have to be cruising for it to be worth
torpid dome
i think 3% crit is pointless outside of raid parsing
ah tur, it's only 3% crit
yeah that's an easy trade-off for the ease of mind lmao
fathom oasis
many people just don't even want to devote brainpower to stance swapping and just stay in d-stance the whole key. If you want to min max you can always find a few moments in every key where damage taken is irrelevant and you can push a bit of damage
fathom oasis
but then again, if you are not taking damage maybe you should just be pulling more instead of going b-stance 🙂
viscid lantern
need to focus on zug zug
torpid dome
but then again, if you are not taking damage maybe you should just be pulling mo...
yep I think this is the tradeoff I need to do
pull bigger in d stance to increase dps
just need to compare pulls so that DPS stays alive 
fathom oasis
i think that's the wowhead build though? ill double check
yeah, wowhead weekly m+ foregoes sudden death
jagged pier
parry and dodge before block
i dont dont know how VDH works maybe u are just parrying the thing more on VDH out of luck
strong forum
Vdh with good amount of crit has like 60% avoidance
slender bison
You're taking 16% fel spikes parry too? VDH has crit stat too
strong forum
Cuz vdh gets parry and dodge
Don't forget dodge
You have like 35% parry and 25% dodge with demon spikes up
slender bison
Idk, current parry for warr is like 35% something based on crit rating in optimal gear
strong forum
Correct
Vdh is the only tank that has both parry and dodge, usually it's str tanks get parry, and agi tanks get dodge
Si
fathom oasis
shockwave into heroic leap xd
slender bison
It's same issue we had with Taskmaster orc in Motherlode
fathom oasis
those bastards charge at you, too
slender bison
Honestly, you shouldn't have more than 3 of those guys in the whole route
This pull is a mess 15+
Just fly, it takes 10 sec after church pull
It's a S1 archaic pull
fathom oasis
i've been trying this out:
it's a bit of a mess routing wise, but flying lets you route whatever
slender bison
i've been trying this out:
10 is a waste or time. Get Commander pack on ramparts into 7 and drop the two mobs from there
fathom oasis
yeah, that pull 6 is nightmare fuel
fathom oasis
10 is a waste or time. Get Commander pack on ramparts into 7 and drop the two mo...
9-10 are kinda the same pull
slender bison
9-10 are kinda the same pull
No they're not, you're wasting DPS CDs. Unless you merge them in the same pull. It's not a break pull either.
Guessing you do 9 and heroic leap to 10 after shades are dead, but DPS is exhausted so it's basically wasting time
3 mobs pack pulls are illegal unless you do 8s
fathom oasis
CDs are kinda spent after miniboss in 8, but yeah that's the idea
i stole it from someone here, actually
wouldn't be able to recall who
i was doing 6 like this before
slender bison
Ask for key level. As lots of priory 2 knights maps were passed around there last season
fathom oasis
13 range
which is kinda where im at
always open to trying to stuff out anyways, love the suggestions
slender bison
11 sucks if the patrol is all the way on the other side when you land so you have to chase after them and lose aggro
Also you do 10 which is a hard fight, then 11 another hard one and then the big boss. Use 8 as break pull after 10 then do boss
And 6 is brutal to do as DPS won't have CDs for the church boss
solid sun
Tank died to melees during Heroic Fraccy-T. I suspect it was due to not having shield block up but how would I verify that in a log?
high latch
Tank died to melees during Heroic Fraccy-T. I suspect it was due to not having s...
In the log select that player and check Buffs. Track Shield Block and see where the gaps are. Compare that to the time he died.
I'm saying this from the top of my head, so let me know if that's not quite right and I'll check exactly what the different tabs are called.
vast mulch
Does anyone have any good routes they swear by on keystone guru? I tend to use the pug friendly and they’re not as pug friendly as I hope
high latch
Does anyone have any good routes they swear by on keystone guru? I tend to use t...
Anyone can upload routes there and anyone can call theirs "pug friendly". Some are good, some are not. I find that the raider.io routes are mostly pretty solid, but have some huge issues at times.
What I do it check several routes and make my own based on them if I feel they need adjusting.
I think some of the most common go-tos are Quaziis, Yodas and Tactyks. But there are lots to choose from.
coral crane
Definitely recommend those 3
solid sun
In the log select that player and check Buffs. Track Shield Block and see where ...
It might be because I’m on mobile but I’m not seeing a time line
high latch
Yeah probably. Sounds like an element they would hide if your screen is too small. You can link me the log in a DM or something if you want me to check.
urban bane
you can also check under the deaths screen what buffs they had up when they died
lusty grotto
☝️
high latch
That's easier than how I usually do it.
chrome falcon
Tank died to melees during Heroic Fraccy-T. I suspect it was due to not having s...
they definitely didn't rip aggro/taunt while they had the debuff and die?
carmine topaz
I'm still at 2set so I switched to colossus until the reset. How much do I need to rethink my life if revenge was my 2nd most damaging ability followed by Brand of Ceasless Ire and only then Shield Slam ><
lusty grotto
demolish should be higher
chrome falcon
well they said 2nd most
lusty grotto
but that doesnt seem too far off
chrome falcon
so i assume that means demolish was top
carmine topaz
demolish should be higher
demolish is my number 1 by far
undone beacon
Sounds about right, Brand does a lot of damage
carmine topaz
this was in a priory 10
ionic umbra
!macro
lusty grotto
yup that's a good starting breakdown
just gotta come to terms with colossus lack of snap agro until you get 4pc
if you didnt play s2, that is
plush tendon
I like this
carmine topaz
last time I played warrior was in BFA lol, and not much either
lusty grotto
but that breakdown seems pretty decently correct
just get 4pc next reset
and swap
thane is more akin to BFA prot
lunar flare
I like this
I can't do pull 6 without someone, somehow, pulling at least one of those groups of 2 by accident
lusty grotto
colossus is basically legion prot
lunar flare
So I now split it in two parts just in case
carmine topaz
yeah, cant wait for the reset, was really sad when I couldnt get a token from LRF or Normal or HC
the dreaded 3/4
plush tendon
I can't do pull 6 without someone, somehow, pulling at least one of those groups...
really?
Ive never seen that
lunar flare
Where do you tank it? Maybe I'm setting the group up to fail
lusty grotto
right in the middle
pulsar epoch
guys im new to prot war do we mainly play battle stance or balanced or defensive?
lusty grotto
i also have never seen that
plush tendon
yea, literally where the 6 is
lunar flare
Yeah that's what I do, so idk what's happening
lusty grotto
guys im new to prot war do we mainly play battle stance or balanced or defensive...
dstance for the most part
always in defensive stance
plush tendon
Yeah that's what I do, so idk what's happening
pugs moving too much cause of the circls on ground?
lusty grotto
you only do battle stance if youre parsing specifically in raids when youre not actively tanking the boss or adds
plush tendon
not being mindful of where they are standing?
lunar flare
pugs moving too much cause of the circls on ground?
It's possible. I've had people die to the circles, fly back, land smack on one of the groups of 2 and then the fun begins
pulsar epoch
thank you a lot
lusty grotto
just pull it back if youre woried about body pulls
plush tendon
It's possible. I've had people die to the circles, fly back, land smack on one o...
yea, this doesnt sound like your pull is wrong
lunar flare
Yeah but people spaz out on the stairs too, I try to avoid any ramp style surface where the purple circles clip through
plush tendon
more like player error
lunar flare
I can dodge them, others cant
lunar flare
You're right, but I want to do everything within my (reasonable) control to prevent them spazzing out
plush tendon
You're right, but I want to do everything within my (reasonable) control to prev...
yea, at a certain point.... you have to just trust them to do it correctly
what key level are we at anyway?
lunar flare
13
lusty grotto
lol
plush tendon
so yea, a couple of mistakes wont kill the key
lusty grotto
if people are fucking up on that specific pull at 13...
plush tendon
but thats a standard pull
lusty grotto
you dont want to send them up
lunar flare
if people are fucking up on that specific pull at 13...
Welcome to my life brother
plush tendon
if people are fucking up on that specific pull at 13...
you see some shit even on 15s and 16s right now
wondering how the hell someone made it that far
lusty grotto
they will learn more by you not accomodating for their mistakes
lunar flare
I just had someone die 4 times to circles in floodgate and every time its "there was terrain i got stuck on" "that was a bug" etc
plush tendon
lunar flare
Yes, once or twice
lusty grotto
ML was ridiculous with the signs
plush tendon
I had someone die to the electric pool on the second pull of Floodgate
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
that def hasnt happened to me while leaping
plush tendon
naw, they just walked into it
lusty grotto
ever
lusty grotto
plush tendon
people do stupid shit all the time
lunar flare
naw, they just walked into it
Blizzard testing new follower AI in keys without telling us, like how Fortnite puts bots in lobbies
plush tendon
it was also a guildie.... but its fine
plush tendon
im about to terrorize some weekly keys on my newly minted resto shaman
lusty grotto
best of luck Augusto
lunar flare
God speed
plush tendon
At least then u can laugh about it
you should hear some of the HM stories
from my guild
actually pretty funny
lusty grotto
speaking of which i had a rsham nuke a 14 HOA last night, perfect run, motherfucker died to last boss statue move
just before the soak
LOL
plush tendon
lunar flare
speaking of which i had a rsham nuke a 14 HOA last night, perfect run, motherfuc...
The last minute death that ints the run is always the most heartbreaking
plush tendon
HoA needs a nerf to the count/mob health %/and the obliterators
lunar flare
Am I going mad, but I swear in Shadowlands HoA you just like...went invis after first boss and went straight to the stairs to second boss?
I'm not imagining that right
lusty grotto
no
lunar flare
I don't remember halls being so...dense
lusty grotto
oh true
lunar flare
Oh yeah you had venthyr control them
lusty grotto
holy i had forgotten about those
lunar flare
"any vent"
plush tendon
having a Venthyr was required for every group
lunar flare
same with lanterns in sanguine depths right
plush tendon
SD and HoA buffs were goated
lusty grotto
yup
plush tendon
they also need to nerf the % on Ara
plush tendon
I will never forgive the playerbase for choosing Ara as a dungeon for this season
lunar flare
Yes I am now realising that, I just struggle with halls generally so its a weak point for me
chrome falcon
I will never forgive the playerbase for choosing Ara as a dungeon for this seaso...
wdym
it's actually really cool to do 50% less damage
chrome falcon
yeah it's awful
lusty grotto
fucking dogshit dungeon for sure
plush tendon
we couldve had Cinderbrew or like a updated Stonevault
lunar flare
Ara kara was fine in s1, what happened
chrome falcon
there are like 4 pulls in that dungeon that are almost good
and then they put a 50% DR mob in there
lunar flare
Give me autistic robot dwarf dungeon again
chrome falcon
Ara kara was fine in s1, what happened
no it wasn't
ara kara was always awful for anything other than a weekly 10
plush tendon
People liked Ara in S1 just because of Sac Brood
chrome falcon
but the average person voting in that poll was a weekly 10 andy
lunar flare
I mean yeah it's always a bit meh, but it was better than whatever it is now
plush tendon
which has been, and will always be, a mid trinket at best
lunar flare
Last time they let people vote for dungeons we got fucking grimrail in SL S4
plush tendon
Cinderbrew and Stonevault wouldve been so much better
lunar flare
Why do they do it
chrome falcon
grimrail was a good dungeon
chrome falcon
grimrail was unironically a good m+
fallen marlin
S1 dungeons was so f hard,s3 are so easy if you ask me
chrome falcon
S1 dungeons was so f hard,s3 are so easy if you ask me
nothing to do with the dungeons
tanks are just stronger now
lunar flare
nothing to do with the dungeons
I mean that's not 100% true, they increased cast time for a lot of things in S2 as well
plush tendon
I would say the dungeons are easier right now... but we had the dogshit that is Mist and that one Cata dungeon in season 1
chrome falcon
grimrail was a good m+ and every single patch should have a similar dungeon
that is just short and linear
not every dungeon needs a 40 minute timer and 18 different patrols to avoid/pull
plush tendon
and Necrotic Wake
lunar flare
Yeah I'm all for linear short dungeons 100%, just not ones where my camera is going mental
plush tendon
honestly, fuck those places
lunar flare
I enjoyed ruby life pools
lunar flare
And the funny sideways mounted up bug
plush tendon
or people who didnt understand how last boss worked
plush tendon
I like Azure
chrome falcon
does anyone else think m+ should have no patrols ever
lunar flare
Yes
chrome falcon
or is that an extremist opinion
lunar flare
No patrols, or things that run off and socially aggro other things
Or teleporting lizards
Bin them all
chrome falcon
No patrols, or things that run off and socially aggro other things
im fine with runners, at least that's an actual mechanic
patrols are just like
weak bronze
Man I am having the hardest time picking a tank between the prots
chrome falcon
oh lmao you don't have a rogue and this patrol is wrong? yeah you lose 30 seconds buddy
lunar flare
Yes that is irritating
lunar flare
huh
weak bronze
Is snap aggro still a huge issue. Sorry phone corrects my dumb ass saying
lusty grotto
for thane it never was
for colossus it remains
but you play thane with 4pc
the only issue is target caps but you can easily get around it
harsh trellis
all the time
plush tendon
aggro can be a bit spooky if you dont have a thunderblast or Avatar at the start of a pull
harsh trellis
it just happens all the time
the only time aggro is an issue is if you have a pack.. and then some ranged dps just sits out in the back field blasting away at the one ranged mob that needs a kick but nobody kicks
weak bronze
Hmmm
lusty grotto
its a target cap issue if agro is an issue
and/or being vastly outgeared
like always
plush tendon
Spear is too much work
harsh trellis
not at all
lusty grotto
spear is a good call for the first part
plush tendon
are you holding spear for when little dudes start running?k
lusty grotto
i should def try it
harsh trellis
are you holding spear for when little dudes start running?k
No I send it all the time, but I have 2 spears on my bar. one drops at my feet, and one is for the that murlock is running lemme snag em
plush tendon
eh, Ill prob keep playing Droar
Gambit first area im out of in like 3 minutes
the scariest thing there is pufferfish in the water
harsh trellis
I think the only key that gives me any sort of meh feeling is HoA
the rest of the dungeons this season are very chill
lunar flare
I really like Eco Dome, it's probs my fave
harsh trellis
eco dome is nice
lunar flare
I like any dungeon with grass
lunar flare
Hell yeah
harsh trellis
I have my reservations about all of the animal quests we are doing on the side
plush tendon
Eco is good, Gambit has always been fun, Streets... well its been turbo nerfed so hard to have a opinion now
Priory has grown on me a little
HoA is fun... but the timer and trash count is out of whack
lunar flare
Priory is decent, feels quite reasonable, at least at the level I'm at
plush tendon
Ara Kara can go to hell
undone beacon
Last time they let people vote for dungeons we got fucking grimrail in SL S4
Shut up grimrail was goated
plush tendon
and Dawnbreaker is good minus the bugs that people get
lusty grotto
dawn breaker boats still buggy as fuck, ara kara bloodguards make everything ass, hoa kicks/runners/garg body pulls/eviscerators are aids
lunar flare
Shut up grimrail was goated
Like the dungeon, hate the camera, hate the cannon boss
Rest is fine
plush tendon
dawn breaker boats still buggy as fuck, ara kara bloodguards make everything ass...
Ill be honest, I only see the Dawnbreaker boat bug maybe once every 20+ keys
frosty mango
A little late to the party but for aggro, once you get to a key level where your dps are consistently cranking you really need to game thunder blast procs and avatar when pulling
lusty grotto
Shut up grimrail was goated
frosty mango
If you go into a new pull with no blast up you will 100% lose threat
plush tendon
If you go into a new pull with no blast up you will 100% lose threat
no thunderblast makes me a sad panda
jagged pier
Shut up grimrail was goated
https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-cat-wizard-magic-cat-cat-gun-wizard-cat-gun-gif-148393908921163254
lusty grotto
harsh trellis
(taking down notes on how to intentionally kill the demon hunter in group)
jagged pier
didnt even do grimrail at the lvl to get portal cause i already had it
lunar flare
Always
jagged pier
from WoD
harsh trellis
22 mins under a 30 min key, he dies on last boss. starts /abandon
lusty grotto
grimrail was fucking ass
lusty grotto
CM
lunar flare
Maybe challenge mode or something?
lusty grotto
yes we did
lunar flare
Ye
jagged pier
yer CMs gave them
jagged pier
bis content
plush tendon
lunar flare
I've watched so many videos on the cut content from that expansion
Could have been so sick
If they just
plush tendon
I had a lot of fun in WoD
lunar flare
...made stuff
plush tendon
dude, so excited for housing
lunar flare
Give me AH vendor in my player house and then I never have to sit in Dornogal and hear earthen yawning ever again
plush tendon
Im going to be the head of my guild HoA
harsh trellis
people upset that neighborhoods can be horde or alliance only
fathom oasis
does anyone else think m+ should have no patrols ever
i hate HoA for this reason
undone beacon
oh guys i found a new epic bug in streets on oasis in the first add wave
plush tendon
make sure everyone follows the rules of the neighborhood
undone beacon
fathom oasis
trying to get a consistent route for the area after halkias is such a headache
lunar flare
Your first mistake was using any ability in that room
lusty grotto
LMAO
harsh trellis
thats annoying
lunar flare
Or looking at things the wrong way
harsh trellis
omg
plush tendon
trying to get a consistent route for the area after halkias is such a headache
just do it in two pulls
pull it all
lunar flare
just do it in two pulls
is this not turbo scary?
undone beacon
They key was bricked anyways because we were all blasted off our ass but like... lmao very cool oasis
plush tendon
is this not turbo scary?
pull 7 is; but not becaus of the revears
fathom oasis
just do it in two pulls
that gargo up top can be in the other side, turned to stone
plush tendon
that gargo up top can be in the other side, turned to stone
you right, you get him later
or pull a different one
not a huge deal
ionic umbra
!wa
lusty grotto
gargoyles are banned
chrome falcon
grimrail was fucking ass
grimrail wasn't THAT bad
i don't even have grimrail in the bottom half of all dungeons for me
basically just 25 minutes of nonstop combat
fathom oasis
i like consistent routes, and that's why i dislike patrols
chrome falcon
those shaman mobs were bad for sure
chrome falcon
and the last boss was horrifically overtuned for a long while
lusty grotto
we're not talking about difficulty
lunar flare
Everyone knows the worst dungeon is, by far, De other Side
fathom oasis
specially one were the mob can literally go invulnerable for 20s lol
chrome falcon
yeah i know
round pendant
did someone say HoA is the only meh dungeon
chrome falcon
i liked it
undone beacon
Clearly someone didnt have the glory of dropping a Resonating Arrow on a pack and then hiding behind boxes and spamming Aimed Shot
round pendant
I disrespectfully disagree
chrome falcon
i don't need to be mentally overworked by knowing a r oute every run
grimrail you just walked in, pulled every pack but 1 and walked to the end
i am pro grimrail based on that aspect of the design alone
lunar flare
On a scale of 1-10 how grim is grimrail
chrome falcon
the camera angles were obviously objectively bad
fathom oasis
i like my grim at 10, bring back s1 grim batol
before the recolors
tentacle fiesta
lunar flare
Deadmines M+ is the only thing I want in this life
lusty grotto
it was because the camera was aids, the bugs on 2nd boss were aids, the body pulls on the big guy were aids
lunar flare
Ion H pls listen to me
lusty grotto
the dreadlord pull was pretty cool on the 1st boss at least
lunar flare
(from happiness)
based
lusty grotto
iykyk
round pendant
worst keys this season are dawn and ara-kara btw
fathom oasis
was deadmines ever in the m+ pool?
chrome falcon
worst keys this season are dawn and ara-kara btw
no contest
round pendant
have we even see anything pre-cata in m+?
lusty grotto
no
lunar flare
Nah I think cata is as far back as they go
frosty mango
worst keys this season are dawn and ara-kara btw
Used to be streets but blizz nerfed it into simplicity
chrome falcon
nothing pre cata no
round pendant
tho didn't deadmines get reworked in cata
lusty grotto
yes
lunar flare
Yes, so it's technically on the table
chrome falcon
"reworked" in the sense that they changed mobs
round pendant
I prefer og deadmines though
chrome falcon
it's still architecturally the same place
lusty grotto
i dont think there's been a rework that changes architecture
fathom oasis
wailing caverns
lusty grotto
uhhh...
undone beacon
i dont think there's been a rework that changes architecture
Does breaking up SM count?
Or combining it I guess
round pendant
gimme a s4 that's like entirely classic dungeons
fathom oasis
yeah, sm changed quite radically on mop too
frosty mango
I don’t think they will do tw deadmines bc the dungeon design wasn’t built with that in mind…they really didn’t start thinking about how dungeon design factors into play before like cata…..mop really
chrome falcon
nah i guess they just added boxes and stuff
lusty grotto
when it comes to assets its the same ones
so architectural changes were instance based
chrome falcon
I don’t think they will do tw deadmines bc the dungeon design wasn’t built with ...
m+ deadmines would be so full of patrols and claustrophobic body pulls
frosty mango
Like deadmines has tons of choke points so people would literally just do massive pulls and then Los them to a choke point and aoe them into the ground
chrome falcon
17 packs of mages spamming fireball and pirates spamming Shoot
an entire dungeon like the start of priory
fathom oasis
herod went from being at the end, to being in the middle, many hallways were discarded, rooms slightly changed
round pendant
Like deadmines has tons of choke points so people would literally just do massiv...
I don't think that's bad
fathom oasis
i think scholomance may have had some rerouting too
round pendant
everything from mob behaviour to timer can be adjusted to make it a good experience
frosty mango
I don't think that's bad
No but it is against their philosophy for m+
round pendant
There's a reason those old classic dungeons are the most memorable
undone beacon
I want a season that is Seat of the Trium, Cathedral of Eternal Night, Tol'Dagor, Grimrail Depot, Auchindoun, City of Threads, Siege of Niuzao Temple, and idk Uldaman
God's best season
round pendant
and it's not cause I played them as a kid, because I didn't
lusty grotto
There's a reason those old classic dungeons are the most memorable
yeah the reason is nostalgia
round pendant
already got you there nim
fathom oasis
siege of niuzao RP 🤢
frosty mango
I want a season that is Seat of the Trium, Cathedral of Eternal Night, Tol'Dagor...
What the fuck is wrong with you
Don’t even joke
chrome falcon
i'd fuck with auchindoun
lusty grotto
bear doing some fishing i see
chrome falcon
and cathedral
frosty mango
I dunno imo anything pre mop would be ass for m+
lusty grotto
give me new dungeons
chrome falcon
i assume we mean WoD auchindoun
round pendant
Nah my praise of classic dungeons is about how freeform they are, you can argue that's antithetical to m+ but I don't necessarily think it has to be
chrome falcon
ecodome owns definitely
undone beacon
Don’t even joke
Sorry dad I wont manifest that into reality
chrome falcon
i'm glad we're not doing megadungeons again
lofty warren
Eco domed gives me hope that they can make new dungeons that aren't 💩
chrome falcon
new dungeons on average are always the best
round pendant
yeah flood and eco give me hope for next expansion's dungeons being 8/8 bangers
chrome falcon
megadungeons being garbage for m+ is an exception
frosty mango
Don’t get your hopes up
lusty grotto
Well they made city of threads recently too
hey man, they cant all be winners
fathom oasis
last boss aside, i unironically enjoyed grim batol in S1
chrome falcon
new dungeons on average are always the best
sorry by "new dungeons" i mean "dungeons released mid-expansion"
neon elk
Tbf i hate ecodome because if those annoying little shits jumping and porting evrrywhere rvery other gcd..
round pendant
Well they made city of threads recently too
I think the initial batch of dungeons had a different design philosophy than flood and eco-dome which were made later lol
lofty warren
Cot and stonevault so bad
round pendant
I liked stonevault
lusty grotto
I think the initial batch of dungeons had a different design philosophy than flo...
this tbh
chrome falcon
peak dungeon design
undone beacon
Flood and Eco-Dome are banger dungeons. Half the initial dungeons felt like they were designed to be done once as a story experience and then never again tbh
lusty grotto
they hated the heal checks
fathom oasis
i enjoy current state tazavesh too
lusty grotto
im guessing
undone beacon
Like, CoT did not feel like it was designed for M+
fathom oasis
idk if it's over-nerfed
lusty grotto
but the dungeon is fine
chrome falcon
most people who pushed CoT agreed that it was a good high key
the RP section is just a fucking crime against m+
lofty warren
The last room before last boss stonevault and the casters that fear before boss 1 so aids in stonevault
lusty grotto
it was good after the heal checks were adjusted
fathom oasis
RP sections are good (imo) if you can route them while you do other stuff
round pendant
is anyone else struggling 3rd pull in 2nd boss room priory this season btw
lusty grotto
pepega hasnt tried spell reflecting
round pendant
last season it was np and this season it's just destroying my groups
chrome falcon
RP sections are good (imo) if you can route them while you do other stuff
if i'm not fighting a mob it is a bad section
round pendant
(it's the casters)
lofty warren
Hope they never bring back stonevault it's down in the f tier with kings rest
fathom oasis
if i'm not fighting a mob it is a bad section
but if you are not gated by it, coming up with ways to route it as efficiently as possible is fun (imo)
like sending someone to start it while you gather up stuff in mail room
lusty grotto
grim batol and SV are A tier, sorry pepega your time is up in Skyhold, time to move on
undone beacon
My favorite thing in streets is going up to last boss and then sticking my thumb up my butt for 30 seconds for RP
lusty grotto
off to fel hammer with you
chrome falcon
grim batol was good generally but had some real issues
frosty mango
is anyone else struggling 3rd pull in 2nd boss room priory this season btw
This is more of a healer/dps thing
lofty warren
Its not even as low of that one bfa dungeon where you had to death run where the 3rd boss mind controls someone
frosty mango
They need to use defensives for the triple toll and the healer needs to be prepped, or they’re gonna fall over
fathom oasis
My favorite thing in streets is going up to last boss and then sticking my thumb...
example of bad RP imo
like soleah's gambit, constantly staring at the air wating for a portal
chrome falcon
challenge modes specifically had this kind of RP turned off
i don't know why m+ aren't the same
undone beacon
speak for yourself, thats the perfect time to do a shot or take a bite of mongolian beef or
fathom oasis
challenge modes specifically had this kind of RP turned off
eh, siege of niuzao temple says hi
chrome falcon
if i'm ever not hitting mobs for more than 10 seconds it's a total failure
chrome falcon
eh, siege of niuzao temple says hi
exceptions rules etc
round pendant
They need to use defensives for the triple toll and the healer needs to be prepp...
the tolls have been chill but then a bolt goes off and everyone's kicks are on cd
if I'm tanking I put in work saving that pull and it's still a struggle
but on my rogue it's just.. never good
fathom oasis
speak for yourself, thats the perfect time to do a shot or take a bite of mongol...
perfect time for the mongolian beef is when the key is completed in time
undone beacon
the tolls have been chill but then a bolt goes off and everyone's kicks are on c...
It sounds like people are just lapping kicks/CCs
round pendant
I feel like you shouldn't need perfect coordination like that in a 12 or you wipe but eh
I might just do left-left and right-right instead of left-right left-right
round pendant
that way it's 2 packs of 3 casters instead of 2 casters into 4 casters
chrome falcon
is like 5 casters or something absurd
undone beacon
I just chain back and forth based on how many casters are still alive and how much i hate my healer
lofty warren
Do all shamans have poison removing totem and how fast does it remove? In ara Kara ppl are bleeding out during poison debuff in my 14 failed attempt
chrome falcon
4 casters without extreme co-ordination is extremely illegal
fathom oasis
I just chain back and forth based on how many casters are still alive and how mu...
this is the way
round pendant
not to mention we had a shadow priest
fathom oasis
sometimes you need to poke your head at the ones waiting upstairs and throw an axe at their face, you know?
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/food-gif-24407432
goddamn it, its only 10:30 and now hunger strikes
undone beacon
Let me edit an explosion onto it so your hunger goes away or smthn
round pendant
god I spent ages making a chat addon and then the baganator guy just made one that's better like a month later
life is too hard
dawn shoal
What hurts so badly about the blood warper pull after big momma?
frosty mango
the tolls have been chill but then a bolt goes off and everyone's kicks are on c...
Those mobs should not be alive long enough for this to be a problem
Still a dps issue lol
lusty grotto
What hurts so badly about the blood warper pull after big momma?
the channel
frosty mango
Unless you’re a monk then you just press chiji
lusty grotto
the only thing that hurts us in that dungeon are the dot stacks not being dispelled
chrome falcon
huge amount of damage + healing absorb
neither of which we can really do much against
plus the soldier debuffs
dawn shoal
the channel
Is there something I should pre plan?
chrome falcon
you're basically a dps on that pull taking a shitload of magic damage
and your healer has no time to help you
plus you might be low on CDs after big momma
frosty mango
Similar to the sentinels in eco the bloodwarper should be getting hard burned down with funnel
lusty grotto
Is there something I should pre plan?
healer issue
frosty mango
It shouldn’t get more than one warp cast off
chrome falcon
when were you guys going to tell me you can outrange the sentinels arcane slash btw
i've been facetanking those on 18s
frosty mango
when were you guys going to tell me you can outrange the sentinels arcane slash ...
If it has a ground effect that broadcasts where it will be usually you can range it
round pendant
Those mobs should not be alive long enough for this to be a problem
tbh I think people just don't focus the casters cause the paladins have the big scary health bar
frosty mango
That’s true for basically all frontal cones
dawn shoal
It’s weird because on VDH I just never feel anything besides the swamp face hits
chrome falcon
i check this stuff with my face
dawn shoal
It’s a very different feeling having that much less self heal
chrome falcon
i'm a feeder not a follower
man eco dome got way easier when i realised that was outrangeable now it's chill as fuck
frosty mango
Notable exception is the halls last boss which has seemingly infinite range on its frontal
round pendant
On sin rogue in pugs I started prioing casters and my keys are going smoother cause no one kicks em
so I just kill em
but idk if that's actually good
it's good when you got a fdk with 4 kicks in the entire key
frosty mango
I play dk/arcane/dh for those keys and the arc and dh just melt the prio mobs
Nothing better than watching an arcane mage completely melt a sentinel in eco dome in like 4 seconds
round pendant
yeah it feels good when you feel your funnel working
undone beacon
Nothing better than watching an arcane mage completely melt a sentinel in eco do...
where are these vaunted arcane mages and why can't i get them in my keys
frosty mango
Eco is also a great dungeon for getting trash into bosses
frosty mango
where are these vaunted arcane mages and why can't i get them in my keys
I find most of them above 3200 lol
lusty grotto
where are these vaunted arcane mages and why can't i get them in my keys
they are right there, under the massive pile of shit
round pendant
I just hate how I feel like as pwar I'm carrying the group sometimes
ionic nimbus
they are right there, under the massive pile of shit
As usual for fotm speccs
frosty mango
I play pwar/rsham/dk/arcane/dh for prio dungeons and I swap the arcane for ret on aoe dungeons
That’s been my best performing comp by far this season
frosty mango
Triple melee cleave in halls is great
lusty grotto
and with hdh
ionic nimbus
https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-wow-arcane-mage-pick-a-card-gif-13109917
Even with this rotation, one button would help a lot of players…
frosty mango
There’s very little hard prio there so having the ret over the arcane means you have three dps sending 20m+ on aoe packs
solid sun
Roid
frosty mango
I didn’t do it
lusty grotto
no
round pendant
first boss prob not right
lusty grotto
you can pull trash unto all 3
round pendant
wtf are you pulling to 1?
harsh trellis
How are you pulling trash into bosses in eco
1st boss you can pull the 2 little dog things in.
round pendant
oh right
lusty grotto
first boss the 2 coneheads, 2nd boss just kill mid pack to activate before the rest of the trash
round pendant
yeah that's prob worth with funnel boys in your comp
I've been griefing my shp friend
lusty grotto
3rd boss you can pull the phase dudes if you want to
solid sun
Don’t they die in like 4 seconds
harsh trellis
2nd boss i pull the 2 casters on the left into it.
frosty mango
First boss you grab the two dog guys at the gate and drag them in
Second boss you pull the two pack pat to the left of the boss for first phase, then the pack on the hill after intermission, third boss you grab the 2 phase blades in
solid sun
How much funnel do they provide
round pendant
a lot
solid sun
If they die super fast how
frosty mango
Don’t they die in like 4 seconds
No not if people are playing properly and letting the funnel classes funnel
lusty grotto
anything you can pull into a boss is high value
lusty grotto
sir they are coneheads
round pendant
for sin, having some trash like doubles the damage you to do the boss for the duration they're alive
frosty mango
If they die super fast how
They don’t die super fast if people are playing correctly and it is a considerable amount of damage
solid sun
So what’s correctly
chrome falcon
don't hit them
lusty grotto
dont kill them
frosty mango
Not blowing them up
solid sun
Because I’ll need to coach the squad
chrome falcon
unless you're funnelling off them
harsh trellis
Because I’ll need to coach the squad
Yo im pulling these into the boss
round pendant
that's kinda hard for some specs
harsh trellis
Thats it
solid sun
Yeah but like is it as simple as not targeting them
solid sun
Wait so the dps that don’t funnel are expected to not cleave the coneheads
round pendant
yes
solid sun
Like not even a little bit
lunar flare
those are dogs
what kind of dogs do you have where u live man
solid sun
My assumption is like a BM Hunter is going to cleave them
Because their pets stomp in an aoe
And I don’t think a BM Hunter is a funnel spec
But I also only play pwar and brew
cunning summit
@.yoloswagginz
lusty grotto
no
lunar flare
I keep seeing the word funnel at lot since starting to tank but I have no idea what is a funnel spec and what isn’t
I just pull stuff into the boss and assume I’m doing good
solid sun
Well tbf
I feel like it’s the dps players’ jobs to know what to do
It isn’t really our job imo
solid sun
I don’t play that game most of the time
nocturne spindle
Dh is funnel now
solid sun
One of the main reasons there’s such a tank shortage is people don’t want all the responsibility
We should encourage that to change
chrome falcon
sure i wish
solid sun
Dps players can have responsibilities and things they need to know, too
chrome falcon
i'd push title if i didn't have to do 90% of the work
round pendant
Dps players can have responsibilities and things they need to know, too
They do
But a lot of it is on the tank sure
but you don't need a good tank for <12s
almost any yolo route works
it's actually bad dps players griefing those keys
solid sun
There’s no reason the tank has to do 90% of the work.
The tank doesn’t have to make the route
Happy doesn’t
The tank doesn’t have to know what funnels and what doesn’t
chrome falcon
it's very logical that the tank decides those things in a pug environment
you want 3 dps and a healer telling you what to pull before every run?
solid sun
They already do
round pendant
and again, you don't HAVE to know what funnels and what doesn't for <12s lol
solid sun
IE aggressively pinging things
regal yarrow
How is the visual indicator for blood pools on the second boss of halls of atonement not showing still broken?? It's kind of an important one to not make an incredibly frustrating key
carmine topaz
Can anybody tell me if I'm able to create a little weakaura for myself to track Ignore Pain shield amount with a progress bar specifically? Just using the ui options given by WA, no custom LUA code
chrome falcon
How is the visual indicator for blood pools on the second boss of halls of atone...
excellent fucking qu estion
round pendant
Can anybody tell me if I'm able to create a little weakaura for myself to track ...
Yeah you can but I'd suggest just not tracking IP at all
chrome falcon
Can anybody tell me if I'm able to create a little weakaura for myself to track ...
that might be quite complicated and not worth doing
whether IP is up or not should never factor in your decision making
carmine topaz
really?
chrome falcon
yes
round pendant
It's not complicated
regal yarrow
If you're worried about your IP your haste is probably way too low
solid sun
If you’re worried about IP you’re worrying about the wrong things. It’s a rage dump.
carmine topaz
I'm worried about uptime
regal yarrow
If you have enough haste, ignore pain is at minimum between every second GCD
solid sun
Idk what you’re on about
undone beacon
I'm worried about uptime
The uptime that matters for us is Shield Block. Ignore Pain is pretty much passively integrated through using it as a rage dump and VO procs
carmine topaz
All good, I'm very very new to tanking and just looking to absorb all the info I can
VO?
chrome falcon
outburst
chrome falcon
just play prot like a dps most of the time
every rage you overcap is bad
press ignore pain to avoid overcapping
viral jackal
Why does everyone say "sim your character to see what stats are best"
but then you go to raidbots and use the stats and raidbots is like "we strongly advise against using stat sims"
Should I just ignore raidbots message?
regal yarrow
If you log your runs you can check your block percentage by looking at your damage taken and hovering over melee hits. The best players are blocking 80-85% of attacks
round pendant
Rage above 70? IP (if SS/Tclap are usable, otherwise you could use revenge)
carmine topaz
yeah, I've set up warcraft logs and check runs frequently with wowanalyzer even thought it's not updated for the specifics of the spec yet
chrome falcon
prot warrior literally has 3 rules:
- keep shield block up (don't back tank)
- use defensives on big unavoidable hits
- maximise rage generated and rage spent
regal yarrow
Top runs have been 75-80 up until this season.
chrome falcon
the text on ignore pain is basically just "spend 35 rage"
jagged pier
Top runs have been 75-80 up until this season.
round pendant
Why does everyone say "sim your character to see what stats are best"
but then ...
You sim your character to see whether gear is an upgrade. Stat weights are completely viable if you sim after every gear change but no one wants to do that
frigid plume
Why does everyone say "sim your character to see what stats are best"
but then ...
people generally don't say to sim for stat weights, they say to sim actual gear pieces against each other and see which piece is better
jagged pier
bro no u had free 95% blocked hits because of tier sets
carmine topaz
I made myself a weakaura to ping an annoying sound whenever I have enough rage, a shield block stack and no shield block up
viral jackal
people generally don't say to sim for stat weights, they say to sim actual gear ...
Okay thank you!
viral jackal
You sim your character to see whether gear is an upgrade. Stat weights are compl...
Thanks!
carmine topaz
I made myself a weakaura to ping an annoying sound whenever I have enough rage, ...
that got me consistently in the 90% 😄
round pendant
Basically, got a drop? sim it with top gear to see if it's better
regal yarrow
Vicentius has 70% of attacks blocked in his 18 ara-kara.
chrome falcon
Vicentius has 70% of attacks blocked in his 18 ara-kara.
that's dogshit
round pendant
or use droptimizer to see what pieces of gear from the content you're about to do are worth rolling on
jagged pier
then thats bad
chrome falcon
put me in an 18 ara kara with that group and i'll be 85% minimum
round pendant
Vicentius has 70% of attacks blocked in his 18 ara-kara.
can you link the log
regal yarrow
round pendant
82.26%
chrome falcon
82%
jagged pier
what r u smoking he has 82%
chrome falcon
hover over "Hits" (2486)
round pendant
Nah everyone makes this mistake at first
chrome falcon
68% of his damage taken from melee swings was blocked
but that's not the same as the raw number of hits blocked
jagged pier
which is still down from last season
chrome falcon
yeah that's still pretty low
jagged pier
last season you would get 92+
i mean tbf aras a dungeon with a lot of back hits
when gathering
chrome falcon
yes
jagged pier
his echo is 87% which is much better
im pretty sure with really trying u can get over 90% but good would be 85% +
lower than that its back hits or not managing
or both
mellow bridge
my priory 
chrome falcon
easy to get hit in the back in ara kara
chrome falcon
bloods on last boss, grouping before first boss
lofty warren
How does the ur healer keep up with poison dot on ara Kara first area?
chrome falcon
don't pull 800 engorged crawlers
high latch
How does the ur healer keep up with poison dot on ara Kara first area?
You adjust your pulls based on how many poison dispells you have
round pendant
How does the ur healer keep up with poison dot on ara Kara first area?
4 crawlers or less = safe
anything more = scary
chrome falcon
^ depending on how many poison dispels you have
if you have a shaman and a ret paladin go crazy
lofty warren
Can dps sham dispel too?
round pendant
I'm happy with 92% considering how often I feel like I'm fucking up SB management since this is the first season I've had to think about it
lofty warren
Ok ty
tardy juniper
Is Loomithar's Living SIlk a good trinket for tanking?
Seems quite useful for group utility
neon elk
I would say it should see some uses in higher keys later in season, or maybe even now in less coorodinated groups
But u are sacrificing quite a lot
zinc peak
Anyone feel like teaching me routes in the near future? I’ve been using maps from keystone guru but I need to physically run the route and study another tanks habits 😩
I manage at lower keys but feel like I am fucking up hard in 10 and up
vast mulch
Anyone can upload routes there and anyone can call theirs "pug friendly". Some a...
Thank you 🙂
lusty grotto
Anyone feel like teaching me routes in the near future? I’ve been using maps fro...
then your best teacher is just spamming keys
until you can identify the packs in keystone or threechest
round pendant
what dungeon and key level was this btw
lusty grotto
HOA
frosty mango
Anyone feel like teaching me routes in the near future? I’ve been using maps fro...
Agree with Nim just send the keys until you’re familiar
round pendant
key level? 
lusty grotto
14
frosty mango
If your spriest doesn’t have psychic link by a mile they’re just not dotting things lol
lusty grotto
yam is asking cause of flay insanity probably
zinc peak
then your best teacher is just spamming keys
Alright, thank you
tame jasper
What's the length of taunt (and others like DH torment) on bosses? It should be 3 sec forced attacking the player who taunted right?
round pendant
yam is asking cause of flay insanity probably
Figured it out that my friend was running voidweaver in the key that I looked at
but his psychic link is nowhere near that in 12/13s
high latch
What's the length of taunt (and others like DH torment) on bosses? It should be ...
It's 3 sec, but gets shorter and shorter the more taunts have been cast on the target recently
round pendant
but idk how vw vs archon affects that either
tame jasper
It's 3 sec, but gets shorter and shorter the more taunts have been cast on the t...
Hm I know that too many taunts during a time frame makes it taunt immune, forgot about the reduce debuff time
high latch
Hm I know that too many taunts during a time frame makes it taunt immune, forgot...
Yeah it's both. First the duration gets shorter and shorter, then it gets immuned after a few. Don't recall exactly how many.
tame jasper
I have 3 in 15sec in mind, but I might wrong. And that's not what I'm actual thinking about.
We just had some curious situations at Loomithar yesterday where the boss sometimes even ingored the first tank switch. so we try to find hints in the raw logs and saw that there are taunt debuffs of less than 3 sec
lusty grotto
We just had some curious situations at Loomithar yesterday where the boss someti...
that happens when the taunts arent made in time
they are just not doing them in the window
there's nothing else to look at
if you want to look at DRs just use this
the taunt window for myth loomi is very short
they sleep for a second and its gone
if youre using liquid tell them to taunt just before the taunt bar disappears
tame jasper
So I will talk to myself and the other tank
lusty grotto
either way DR shouldnt be an issue unless they are taunting in between blast cds
tame jasper
To focus more to taunt "on point"
tame jasper
either way DR shouldnt be an issue unless they are taunting in between blast cds
Yeah we were convinced that DR could not be the issue, because we only taunt for tank switch, so we were asking ourself what else
tame jasper
Will try, thank you 🙂
frozen berry
Are the adds on dragon boss in gambit tauntable or do they fixate the healer/dps?
high latch
Are the adds on dragon boss in gambit tauntable or do they fixate the healer/dps...
They fixate. Can't be taunted.
frozen berry
In hardmode is the best thing to just kill them or try and cc for 2nd breath?
frosty mango
In hardmode is the best thing to just kill them or try and cc for 2nd breath?
Most groups just cc and aoe them down
They are scary trying to handle them for two breath rotations
They don’t have much health so you can just melt them
mellow yoke
In hardmode is the best thing to just kill them or try and cc for 2nd breath?
If you have a druid who can mass root them you can wait for 2nd breath ig
real laurel
I tried to find something about this trinket but it sims realllyy well for my prot warr, is this a sim bait? couldnt find anything on this discord
mellow yoke
if ur good
u can get
90% uptime on Tome
which is 3k crit
and it also deals damage
frosty mango
It’s not simbait, it’s basically the same as soleahs and I’d expect it to sim similarly
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
real laurel
i figured, thank you
lusty grotto
and the reason why youre not seeing it anywhere is because its very obviously a timewalking raid trinket
since its not available every time, we tend to not place it on rankings etc
but you did good simming it
real laurel
and the reason why youre not seeing it anywhere is because its very obviously a ...
yeah I know, the ulduar trinkets are on bloodmallet so its easier to compare them
the cataclysm ones arent
frosty mango
yeah I know, the ulduar trinkets are on bloodmallet so its easier to compare the...
I would not really rely on bloodmallet for actual value
lusty grotto
bloodmallet are just sims
without any flexibility
or rather, at the mercy of what they put in
frosty mango
Relative comparison yes but they are simmed at bis profile and it’s highly likely what’s best on that list may not be best for you at any given time
real laurel
I would not really rely on bloodmallet for actual value
true but you can at least get some sense of comparision with it. Obv simming your specific char is way more accurate
frosty mango
With the exception of like massively op trinkets like tome
For example a sacbrood would rate highly on bloodmallet but sim considerably lower for me because I have tons of haste
frosty mango
You're a massively op trinket like tome
Brb getting burn cream
lusty grotto
fucking bear had me going for an early lunch
pretty sure i had that trinket in cata
and used it a lot
hardy viper
Have they removed the dmg penalty from using defensive stance?
lusty grotto
yes