protection

[round pendant]

as for anything not on main row

it shows up when on cd

[jagged pier]

i presumed

cause they all similar like that

[tawny ice]

How can you not have bars???

[mellow yoke]

just couldn't be me lol

[round pendant]

I play noticeably worse if I have actionbars showing

[mellow yoke]

imagining wow without the bars feels cursed

[round pendant]

best thing I ever did was learn my keybinds and hide them and only track the important stuff

[high latch]

They're just hidden. If you know your binds and you track cooldowns in a different way you don't need them shown at all times.

[full mist]

You can disable all but the main bar in the action bar tab. Otherwise you need an addon like bartender to disable the last one

[mellow yoke]

u can disable them thru elvui

[tawny ice]

But I mean how do you play without bars

[jagged pier]

if you know what your binds are, the W/A show u the cds, so theres techincally no need for them

[high latch]

It's not that they don't have bars. They're just invisible.

[tawny ice]

But WAs will be going away ?

[jagged pier]

we get a replacement

that will do the same thing

just baked into the ui

i mean its in the game already just missing features

[tawny ice]

I use my bars for some things. I don’t have every single thing keybound

[high latch]

Then don't hide yours. I don't hide all of mine either.

It makes for a cleaner UI, but definitely not necessary.

[round pendant]

I do think it's ideal to have everything brought up closer to the center of the screen with important things clumped together if you're using actionbars tho

[jagged pier]

i dont hide mine, mainly because the portal bar annoys ppl and it keeps me happy to annoy them

[high latch]

Yeah, especially if you have a larger screen or have it further away

[round pendant]

oh god I didn't notice that

[jagged pier]

[high latch]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/teleport-me-nu my beloved ❤️

[jagged pier]

i mean its baked into the game now anyways

[round pendant]

yeah the season group is nice

thanks blizz

[jagged pier]

theres a portal one in spell book thats just for this season

[jagged pier]

need to see in combat

cause lots more turns up then

[mellow yoke]

1 s

[jagged pier]

like does you consume bar disappear for instance

[high latch]

True, but the TP addon I linked also give you quick access to things like hearthstone and toys/items with teleport functionality

[mellow yoke]

u mean the one that's floating in the middle of nowhere?

[jagged pier]

i know where they are in my bag and toy menu anyways

[round pendant]

holy

[jagged pier]

this needs to move

not sure why its there

[mellow yoke]

Just some misc bar

[jagged pier]

and do u need to track this stuff for yourself u track it in the middle of the screen

[sharp gale]

Mouseclick I guess

[jagged pier]

but 6/10 i would say

[high latch]

I don't even have myself in my party list because I try to avoid duplicate info

[jagged pier]

but hes got the ones u want to press regularly binded at the bottom

[mellow yoke]

I'm a bit blind so I like having stuff 2x

[jagged pier]

that bar just seems random

[round pendant]

whose WA pack is that?

it's very similar to what I had a few seasons ago

[mellow yoke]

Kira's, modified a bit

[mellow yoke]

cus it's for some stuff I rarely use

[sharp gale]

Yes you are right lel, I thought it was like me, I have those random niche things in a bar on the side / I mouseclick them

[mellow yoke]

easier for mouse click

since my mouse is somewhere in the middle of the screen usually

[jagged pier]

so above here is nicer

imo

if u rarely use it

it should be out of eye line

of imo

[sharp gale]

Yes my mouseclick niche bar is the side right blizz bar

Or top third bar for shout

[jagged pier]

also get rid of heiki or what ever that is on the right

seems pointless where it is and if u blind u arent noticing it at all

so its pointless to have

[round pendant]

gonna see if I can find my old wa

[jagged pier]

if u are using it then u arent blind and that misc bar can move

of course this is all subjective

[kind urchin]

My click bar is at the very bottom off to the side.

[mellow yoke]

it shows

what spells I have pressed

[jagged pier]

why do u need that information?

[sharp gale]

But plater seems alright 👍

[jagged pier]

like genuinely?

why would u need that?

[round pendant]

maybe he streams to his friends on discord

[mellow yoke]

yes

[round pendant]

[mellow yoke]

and

[jagged pier]

but why do your friends care

[mellow yoke]

idk, they like to watch me play

[jagged pier]

sure

[mellow yoke]

and it does not affect me since I dont

[high latch]

I appreciate streamers showing their inputs if I wanna learn from them

[mellow yoke]

really look there

[frosty mango]

method raid tools

here jakey it doesnt change much in combat

[high latch]

Holy buff tracker. Aside from that I quite like it.

[jagged pier]

i didnt think it would, i would say the party frames should be horizontal

and then in raid u get the columns

[frosty mango]

i like them better that way but I cant get omnicd to work with vertical stacked cds

[tawny ice]

I’m just wondering how people can get everything they need keybound. I ran out of keys I can quickly reach. I would love to learn to play that way bc I need to take away the option for me to go back to clicking when I get rattled

[frosty mango]

it has the option it just doesnt work

[jagged pier]

bliz default literally look like that

and can go horizontal

[round pendant]

found it

[high latch]

You have a lot of buttons on a keyboard. That + modifiers like shift, control and alt, gets you there. In my case I have an MMO mouse so I have 12 buttons by my thumb.

[round pendant]

my old WA pack (modified nomes)

[sharp gale]

Man I’m so hyped for next UI update

[jagged pier]

u can, its easier with a full mmo mouse but if your are used to binding a lot it is do able

it just take time

to get used too

and takes time to build up too

[frosty mango]

foot pedals my friend

dont let them tell you im crazy

pedals are goated

[round pendant]

titanpanel

boomer

[frosty mango]

tbh

[high latch]

Foot pedals are actually really sick. I'd love one for push to talk.

[frosty mango]

i have to update it myself

bc its so fucking old

lol

[round pendant]

Check out uuh, bellular's keybind guide

has some good recommendations in there

[frosty mango]

war also has a lot of binds

more than most specs

[jagged pier]

i mean honestly just start with a few and build up over time, then if u want makes the bar invisible

thats what i did

worked decently well

[high latch]

Just rebinding A and D to strafe frees up Q and E which are prime real estate

[round pendant]

yeah that's mandatory imo

[jagged pier]

i mean unbinding turn

doesnt matter which keys u use to strafe

[tawny ice]

Mine are a and d I think

[sharp gale]

Yeah I know people who strafe with Q and E

[jagged pier]

i feel bad when i come across a keyboard turner in pvp or plunderstorm, its

[sharp gale]

But free real estate A and D

[high latch]

Then you're on your way to having good binds. And there are more examples like that. Like move whisper reply away from R.

[frosty mango]

I use a/d to strafe w mouse

[round pendant]

I made my friend unbind R cause he kept accidentally pressing it mid fight

lmao

[mellow yoke]

League of legends player detected

[high latch]

There are so many really nice binds that are by default taken by garbage you almost never need

[sharp gale]

Me too, it’s just some use Q and E w mouse

[tawny ice]

I have a very expensive razer gaming mouse and keyboard. I need to figure out the set up

[jagged pier]

oh no green mouse

if ever someone has a mouse problem in my raid

its a razer mouse

[solid sun]

I use a Corsair mmo mouse.

[jagged pier]

every time

i dont even have an mmo mouse

[frosty mango]

same lol

I use a g502 with 3 side buttons and 2 top bottons

[round pendant]

My mouse has 5 buttons why would I ever need more than that

[frosty mango]

those mmo mice have buttons so tiny

[high latch]

All brands have some bad mice, but Razer's build quality has gotten much worse over the years compared to most others.

[mellow yoke]

my mouse has 12 side buttons

lmao

[jagged pier]

i just think if i have it and im used to it, if it breaks i no longer can play

[high latch]

I say, having both of my mice being Razer atm.

[frosty mango]

jakey plays while riding a bike to power his pc and he uses a trackball

[round pendant]

Logitech fell the fuck off too

It's actually better to just buy chinese knock-off mice now

[jagged pier]

actually cant speak my logitech mouse is old. its good

[high latch]

Just buy a brain interface in 2030 and bypass these insignificant problems

[frosty mango]

this is why i bought like 30 G502s

[jagged pier]

and my keyboard is some knock off keyboard thing and still going strong after like 10 years

[frosty mango]

when they went clearance before they moved to the poopy outsourced one

[tight mural]

I use 1-6 (and shift+1-6), adrftgzxcvb and shift mods. I have my two side mouse buttons plus shift. Pummel is shift space bar. That covers pretty much everything.

[mellow yoke]

Redragon keyboards goated asf though

[frosty mango]

so I have like 30 american made g502s in my closet

[round pendant]

Logitech build quality is so cheeks now

[frosty mango]

because of what jakey said

[jagged pier]

ive upgraded my pc twice in the time ive had my mouse and keyboard

[frosty mango]

if it breaks im cooked

lol

[high latch]

That sounds pretty damn solid

[round pendant]

superlight scrollwheels just always never work properly

lmao y'all don't wanna see my keybinds

[warm plinth]

I use the g600 and I'm gonna be sadge when it stops working because they don't make them anymore

[jagged pier]

g502 hero is goated

i dont even use the 2 buttons on the side of the left click

[mellow yoke]

I got 12 side buttons and use 0 of them

[round pendant]

1-6, ctrl1-6, alt1-5 + alt+e, shift1-6, qerf, ctrl-qerf, shift-qerf

[jagged pier]

seems like u overpaid for your mouse then

[warm plinth]

Back in the day I just had one of the forward/back button mice and just had one bound to ctrl and one bound to alt

And used those + my normal binds

[round pendant]

I think modifier on mouse would short circuit my brain

[mellow yoke]

No, I got it cause it was on a big discount

[jagged pier]

[mellow yoke]

and it was a decent mouse

[warm plinth]

It was pretty chill but I haven't used that setup since like wrath probably. Specs have a lot more buttons now so idk if it would work out or not

I was a feral combat druid so had more binds than most

But still not really comparable to now

[round pendant]

my binds work decent for prot

but not so great for classes that have a lot of CDs or rotational abilities

[solid sun]

When I first pick up brewmaster I used scroll wheel up for roll

It made me laugh everytime

[jagged pier]

i try and translate as much as possible to other cases. taunt in the same place intuprt in the same place. etc etc

[warm plinth]

I use 1-6, rfcvtg, shift-rfcvt, 14 mouse buttons, and F1-F4

And one shift mod on a mouse button for focus kick

Actually I lied. I dont use 6 or shift C on war right now. They were demolish and ravager

[round pendant]

I need to get a focus and focus kick macro

gonna slap those on x and c

I keep putting it off and then raging at my mouseover macro missing

I love when a mob dies and the bar dodges my kick

[warm plinth]

People who mouseover kick have way better mouse control than I do. I can't do it.

[round pendant]

I can do it, assuming I can find my mouse

and the plates aren't jumping around

[warm plinth]

Even if they don't die and one decides to that stupid fucking shimmy back and forth, it can move the plates

Like I dont understand why a mob is coded to move if it's aggro target isn't moving

[sharp gale]

You want my random kick macro 👀

[warm plinth]

Its

[sharp gale]

It’s a macro that TAB kick

[deft mortar]

Bro why are dpsers so bad at this game

i swear it isnt rocket science to stick to the route for priory

or interrupt fireballs

[round pendant]

I'm so sick of the fucking shimmy

I was in HoA last night

[jagged pier]

[shrewd grove]

Those DPS: "If it doesn't kill me it's a healer mechanic. If it DOES kill me, healer is shit"

[round pendant]

and the mob is just walking in a semicircle back and forth

WHY

STOP FUCKING MOVING

[jagged pier]

Wrong, it is doesnt kill me its not my problem, anything else is the tanks fault

Or pulling it

Even if they body pull

Bad route because i stood where i wasnt supposed too and pull and extra pack

[warm plinth]

Yeah the gargoyles are one of the worst mobs with that too if you pull any

Because theyre big

[shrewd grove]

"Tank, why tf am I getting meleed????" Meanwhile it's a boomie standing at max range getting meleed by the pat they pulled and then refused to run into the group

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

i depleted hoa 14 twice on the third boss

[jagged pier]

My favourite is the pinging

Brother if u want to choose what to pull

Play a tank

Otherwise no need to ping, okay

[deft mortar]

bro a feral druid pulled in 2 packs on priory corpse run after he also accidentally pulled a 3rd pack with Shaymin

I think he did it intetionally

And then had to audacity to talk about restealth

fuck your restealth

I an not gonna spend 30 seconds solo killing 2 mobs when I can chain them

I never invite assa rogues cuz this reason, guess ferals too now

bros rly think resetealth will make them do more dmg than the groups cleave

[cedar egret]

how

[sharp gale]

smh we arrived at a point there were no little thing to soak the add, twice

[jagged pier]

not running to lantern

[sharp gale]

and healer didn't assume the situation i guess

[toxic pewter]

Too many backseat tanks these days I tell ya what

[lunar flare]

I wish this didn’t bother me in keys as much as it does

But I love when they die and I can ping their corpse as revenge

[jagged pier]

oh it annoys me far too much

[cobalt lintel]

Any expert here that can tell me if i actually want any mastery? my sims tell me to go more mastery but all i can read is taht mastery is the worst stat for everything

[jagged pier]

yes u want some of every stat

no stat for us is bad

[lime spruce]

I'm having some trouble w/ pull mgmt in Priory in the trash leading into Dalicry.

I'm seeing in MDT that the Sharpshooters will eventually jump to a player, so that means as long as the party stacks and no one pulls aggro from them, we should be safe to let them jump into us eventually. Do they have aggro tables or just shoot random people and then jump to someone random?

How do I manage multi-caster pulls when even w/ interrupts I just can't get the two to come together?

[jagged pier]

u can u have disruting shout

or corners

corners are a tanks best friend

[warm plinth]

You should try to detach the word "worst" and "bad" in your mind when it comes to WoW

Worst is a relative term. It's the worst in comparison to the other stats, but it's not a bad stat.

And since none of our stats are bad, if you have very little of one, it's probably going to be your best per point gain until you raise it

[lime spruce]

Thanks. I found the corners I can use in my route. Starting to learn how the pulls on this route relate to the environment, who to tag first and let run to me and who to interrupt / move around corners.

[warm plinth]

We love learning

[lime spruce]

I finally feel like I can run Priory as intended 😂 my only fear now is if pugs will actually give me time to pull aggro before blassin since it seems direly important in this dungeon

[frosty mango]

I disagree. Having no stats would be very bad for us

wait i agree

[warm plinth]

this fucking guy

[lime spruce]

🥁 🐍

[warm plinth]

Roid trolled himself on that one

Read it, made a joke, reread it, had to make another joke

[frosty mango]

maybe the joke is me

[warm plinth]

Schroedinger's joke

Oh shit

Getting deep in here

[round pendant]

is my route good enough for 13 boys

[frosty mango]

pull 11 is scary

high liklihood of going sideways

[round pendant]

I always just kinda yolo it

that whole area is kind of a perma chain

[warm plinth]

It's a lot of back and forth too tb

tbh

[rough egret]

Too much moving before first boss without combat

[warm plinth]

I think you could change the order of some of those pulls and make it more efficient

[frosty mango]

https://threechest.io?id=d7xmvmgnhjv

[lime spruce]

holy shitballs this is embarassing I just now realized that disrupting shout is an interrupt

[warm plinth]

Yeah I agree with zet; you have a lot of travel time there with no combat

[deft mortar]

routes are so annoying

[lime spruce]

I hard committed to memory that it was just a group taunt

[round pendant]

wdym

7->8 is during boss rp

[frosty mango]

I do this

[rough egret]

I like to go down after first pull to kill your pull 5 and 6 then do 7

[frosty mango]

you can pull the 2 into the first boss while you wait for rp

and then use them for funnel

and 9/10/11 can be combined in various ways depending on how good your heals/dps are

ie you can stack 9/10 with lust

or hold lust for second boss

and not lose one either way

[mighty valley]

It is without the talent

[solid sun]

I disagree. You should pull them in for funnel. Wait. I agree

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-disappointed-pajama-kid-мальчик-в-пижаме-gif-1425755430531317280

[warm plinth]

He got you there

[frosty mango]

like I said the joke is me

[warm plinth]

Well you know what Roid

I still love you bro

[solid sun]

I agree

[frosty mango]

im glad we live in that world

[solid sun]

I also love you bro

[frosty mango]

where I can be loved and also dumb

[warm plinth]

If we didn't, I'd be very unloved

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

you ever seen good will hunting where will tells skylar about how he can do math

[solid sun]

We are warriors. We fight. And we win. And we love. And sometimes we lose too

[frosty mango]

thats me with warrior

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I love that movie

[rough egret]

Just dont like back to back shard pulls but if group is decent its doable i guess 🙂

[undone beacon]

I’ve never actually sat down and watched it tbh

I know about it but never seen the full thing

[mint gorge]

in arakara, near the end, you get a stacking snare

[warm plinth]

Well, next time you're bored, give it a try

[mint gorge]

how are you supposed to get out of the aoe white circles

[warm plinth]

I don't think you'll regret it

[frosty mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKu_QQVHJLA

[warm plinth]

The healer should dispel you

[frosty mango]

i got you

[undone beacon]

It can be dispelled, or you can leap

[warm plinth]

You're the only one who gets the debuff

[solid sun]

Good will hunting isn’t called bad will hunting for a reason

[rough egret]

Avatar, dearf racial, dispell

[warm plinth]

And there's nothing else to dispel

(assuming people aren't fucking dumb and let volley go off)

[rough egret]

Leap works too

[frosty mango]

the shards are not hard to heal

the deaths come when people dont kick

[rough egret]

True

[solid sun]

Another thing to consider zet

[warm plinth]

Wicked bolts machinegunning people down

[solid sun]

Those aren’t back to back shard pulls

[round pendant]

whelp

bricked the 13

[solid sun]

You jump off a ledge between them. Really breaks it up

[warm plinth]

Actually did a 12 the other day on hunter where I got a wicked bolt, the curse explosion, and another wicked bolt within 1.4 seconds

[rough egret]

😄

[mighty valley]

Remember Raging week Thrash in halls

[warm plinth]

I died, surprisingly enough

[mighty valley]

Good times

[warm plinth]

god

[round pendant]

someone pulled slasher on pull 2

[warm plinth]

Why would you even bring that

up

[round pendant]

thanks roid

smh

[warm plinth]

wait which pull 2

your route pull 2 or roid's route pull 2

[frosty mango]

do you have a hunter

[rough egret]

Roids i guess

[frosty mango]

and are they bm

bc bm hunters love to not dismiss their pets there

[warm plinth]

DON'T FUCKING CALL ME OUT LIKE THAT BRO

Also they don't have to dismiss, but they have to mount and stay mounted until the pet gets there

[jagged pier]

ill do it, ill find the freehold clip

[frosty mango]

anyway hunters amirite

[solid sun]

It’s so dumb

[warm plinth]

The freehold clip, as tragic as it is, is fucking gold ok

[round pendant]

YEP but it was a dk ghoul

[mighty valley]

“ugh my pet didn’t follow onto the dawnbreaker ship” not my problem play a proper class

[rough egret]

Nasty overlaps with shard

[warm plinth]

Bro I'm feeling so attacked rn

[round pendant]

why the fuck can pets pull

dogshit game

[undone beacon]

Warriors should get a pet

A smaller warrior

That follows you around

[warm plinth]

No I want boneshard as a pet

BOOOOONESTOOOOOORM

[undone beacon]

That’s a BDK ability already tho

[warm plinth]

idc

I want it

[undone beacon]

Tinker class integration so I can deploy a small bladestorm warrior bot

[warm plinth]

Lemme get a glyph or something that makes my whirling blade proc little Bonestorms that scream when it procs

[frosty mango]

Here @round pendant i made you a new more efficient route

https://threechest.io?id=ytol8bifm5

[round pendant]

ty

[undone beacon]

Lemme get glyphs in general

[rough egret]

Banner would be nice tho tweak a BL to it and im fine

[warm plinth]

There's still a few out there

[undone beacon]

This is huge

[frosty mango]

I know right

high value first pull

[warm plinth]

Shit efficiency; 1 count over

[undone beacon]

Save lust for second pull tho

[warm plinth]

L route

[undone beacon]

I wish they would overhaul class cosmetic stuff, bring more glyphs into play

I want a flaming bladestorm

[warm plinth]

They could genuinely have so much fun with cosmetic glyphs

[undone beacon]

I want glyphs to make my shouts sound different

[rough egret]

Put them on shop

Profit

[undone beacon]

“Glyph of the Totem Warrior”, your shouts do random animal noises

[rough egret]

Ppl would buy them

[warm plinth]

Glyph of the King: Your shouts make you roar like a lion instead of yell

Glyph of That One Sword That Guarded Eden: Your Bladestorm and Ravager are now on fire.

Glyph of That Time That One Sword That Guarded Eden Went On Vacation: Your Bladestorm and Ravager now cause shards of ice to explode on their targets.

I'm really good at this

[frosty mango]

Glyph of Mocking: At the end of any mythic plus dungeon, hurl random insults at any melee who fails to meet your designated interrupt threshhold. Default: 20, Maximum: 70.

[undone beacon]

Glyph of Working Out: You are 10% larger

[warm plinth]

Glyph of Juice: You're 10% larger, but your legs are 30% smaller.

[frosty mango]

Glyph of Shame: At the end of any mythic plus dungeon, rapidly ping the warning icon on any dps class who performed less overall damage than the tank.

[warm plinth]

And I think we all know what I mean by legs

[mighty valley]

This is good for funnel

[frosty mango]

Glyph of Tragedy: At the end of any mythic plus dungeon, rapidly ping the warning icon and the danger icon on any dps class who performed less overall damage than the healer.

If we're gonna have glyphs in the shop they have to be toxic

so no one buys them

[warm plinth]

Glyph of Kira: You are unable to use the talent Shield Specialization. If anyone asks why you're not using it, your character will launch into an incoherent, mumbling explanation trying to justify Enduring Alacrity instead.

jkjk, but I smiled typing that one out

[warm plinth]

This one should also auto-delete your character until you read a spec guide and spend 60 minutes asking questions in the spec's discord channel

[sharp gale]

I’d rather have a 10h tierlists lesson

[solid sun]

Have you ever thought about just never tanking again

[frosty mango]

Every day

[solid sun]

What the world would look like

[frosty mango]

Probably better

[sharp gale]

Im doing a break this tier from tanking m+, I mostly dps and only tank to help friendlist

[solid sun]

I’m getting blasted by the squad because I’m not at home to tank keys

[frosty mango]

Tell them to press n

One of them is bound to have a tank spec

[solid sun]

The paladin does

The Druid does

And the DK does too

[sharp gale]

And I don’t tank with squad if they don’t do the route, I’m tired of it

[solid sun]

We have three people who are willing to tank the raid besides me but none of them will tank keys

Only I do it

[sharp gale]

No route ? Guess it’s press W for your last 13 you need for resil

[round pendant]

bro

my route is so much better than this

[lime spruce]

How do we feel about Codex of the First Technique for M+

[frosty mango]

What is that?

[frosty mango]

Help my eyes

We think it’s bad

For m+ and anything else

It is in fact so bad that if blizzard were to delete it from the game we’d probably have a party

[rough egret]

I have one too 😄

[jagged pier]

That trinket is a negative 7% dps loss

[rough egret]

Forgot to change loot spec

And got it from streets

[jagged pier]

Basically back in shadowland, this trinket only mitigated damage after all mitigation so for warrior that was around 1%dr, they changed it to be even worse this time around

[warm plinth]

but it looked good on meters back then

so people thought itwas amazing

[jagged pier]

Yes but it did less damage than a trinket with strength on it, less mit too, u just could see the strength trinket on the meters

[lime spruce]

oh it doesn't reflect any damage back to them, reflect is just a flavor word

[tulip pumice]

Can we have blood splattered scale without De’other side?

Just wishful thinking

[lime spruce]

or does it? Eh who cares either way it sucks tyvm for feedback

[jagged pier]

Scale really wasnt that good

It was jist an absorb

[lime spruce]

I've got a Tome and Pacemaker anyway so I'm set lol

[tulip pumice]

Maybe I have some bias to the scale, the snap threat and absorb I thought was nice quality of life

[mighty valley]

We felt so weak at the start of shadowlands that we were desperate for anything

[jagged pier]

one of the seasons i didnt get it until the week after the season ended

so yer was really good

[untold turtle]

Every guide i see has tome listed as the best prot trinket but no top end prot players are running it- what's the deal?

[lusty grotto]

ask the top end prot players

[mellow yoke]

they are running better trinkets that are rarely acessible (antenna and ire)

[pallid quiver]

You'd have to ask; it can even be that they don't have the trinket, even. I know Sense ran a 16 with stone idol and pacemaker off a log of his; could be the idol did more damage for their pulls or something. You can like, just ask them. They're not like the gods on Olympus, sequestered from all mortal contact

[high latch]

I think it's about what the trinkets are good at. Brand is just incredible so it's a lock-in. Then your options are something like Pacemaker, Antenna or Tome. Tome is amazing at ST/prio, but Pacemaker and Antenna are both better for AoE in general.

[grim furnace]

im a bad tank and always pick trinkets that provide barriers/armor

[mellow yoke]

Ire, lol

it's good defensively and offensively

it's ur bis no matter what

[solid sun]

Take your trinkets off

They’re crutches

We don’t need no stinking trinkets

[mellow yoke]

rawdogging dungeons

[grim furnace]

facts, we should have the ability to equip at least 8 rings, 1 on each finger

[frosty mango]

we already have the most goated tank trinket for keys ever

right now

[mellow yoke]

question is

how fury warriors can dual wield two handed weapons

[frosty mango]

loomithar's living silk on a tank is literal insanity levels of value for a trinket slot

[grim furnace]

its all that strength, makes us super buff

[solid sun]

Is it because silk is so soft so it feels good to wear it

[steady raven]

Hey guys! I have a small off topic question but im leveling my prot warrior and i'm at lvl 72 and I have completed TW quest [A Shattered Journey Through Time] so I don't know if I should turn it in now or abandon and take it at max lvl to get HC item after 5 tw dungeons?

[frosty mango]

yes personally I wear it like a thong

[steady raven]

will I be able to even take the quest again at max lvl?

[frosty mango]

no

[mellow yoke]

I personally wear a thong

[chrome falcon]

yes you can take the quest again at max level

[pallid quiver]

The timewalking dungeon quest only gives normal raid loot, by the way

[chrome falcon]

and it will be the actual version

[frosty mango]

if he completes it this week he can do it again if he hits 80 this week?

[pallid quiver]

The heroic loot comes from timewalking raids, which are only available during BC, WotLK, and Cata timewalking weeks

[grim furnace]

i learned this last night, idk y i thought it gave heroic, ran 5 TW for no reason

[mellow yoke]

what's the chance of getting ire from it

[chrome falcon]

1 divided by all the loot in the raid probably

[frosty mango]

1/number of pieces of warrior eligible loot in the raid

[pallid quiver]

During Twisted Timeways events, the dungeon quest gives heroic loot, so you may not have been entirely incorrect

[mighty valley]

1 / number of items in raid

dammit im slow

[mellow yoke]

I don't like those odds

[frosty mango]

better than zero

[chrome falcon]

well they're higher than 0 which is your alternative

[pallid quiver]

Normally yes; they're different quests

[chrome falcon]

jesus christ we really only have 1 brain cell in this fucking channel

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[frosty mango]

i feel like ive been lied to my whole life

[high latch]

Last time I was in that situation in late S2 they were separate quests and I could do the new one at 80 as well.

[pallid quiver]

They're even named differently iirc

[high latch]

Yep, they had slightly different names

[mighty valley]

like, is that the only option

or is it more player preference

[vestal relic]

I’m running out of keybinds, what do you guys macro together? Shield block and shield slam? Spell reflect and shield wall?

[mighty valley]

Nothing

Sorry, every ability should have its own button

[high latch]

We don't really have anything we can macro together to save binds

There are some neat macros, but none would combine your core abilities.

[mighty valley]

Just be thankful we lost a couple buttons coming into this season

[vestal relic]

F

[high latch]

The two things I think of immediately is if you have separate binds for Roar and Spear, and Charge and Intervene. Those can be macro'd together to share binds with the right conditionals.

[mighty valley]

yeah good point, charge and intervene can be macro'd together if you're running intervene

I don't make a roar and spear macro, they just have the same keybind since they're never in the same build

[sharp gale]

You shouldn’t be playing spear and roar at the same time tho, so you can just put them in the same

Exactly

[high latch]

That's why you can macro them. You condition it with known:... and both can be on the same key without having to replace anything.

[sharp gale]

It may become a midnight topic

[vestal relic]

Guess I need that 12 button mmo mouse

[high latch]

The vast majority of players don't have those. You'll be fine.

[sharp gale]

I don’t use one

[high latch]

There are keybinding guides out there you can get inspiration from.

[vestal relic]

Thx

[sharp gale]

im sure you can find some on YouTube, it all comes down to binds to not hurt your hand / easy access for rotational, less easy for uncommon etc

If you need to do weird hand gesture to pass from a bind to another, one of them should be moved + you should always be able to move your character (have your fingers on WASD)

[tight mural]

1-5: rotational offense, revenge, slam, impending, execute,chains/roar
shift 1-5: cds, avatar, stand, wall, rally
CMD 1-5: world markers
A and D: rotational defensives, shield block, IP
R: AOE, clap (shift R demo shout)
F: usually movement abilities on F and shift F, Charge, intervene
G: spell reflect, shift G stance dance
T: shockwave, Shift T tome/trinket
Z - concussive blow. Shift Z auto potion macro (addon that cycles through stand, health stone, health pot depending on what's available
B: berserker rage, shift b disrupting shout
V: heroic throw, shift v battle shout
Mouse button 4: taunt, shift MB4 ground mount
Mouse button 5: @cursor leap, shift MB5 flying mount
Shift + spacebar: pummel

I think that's all of them, though from memory so I'm sure I missed some

The key for me was figuring that out and then copying the setup on other characters so similar abilities go on similar buttons. For example roll for brew and felblade on vdh go on charge button. Shockwave, chaos nova, and leg sweep all on T. Thunderclap, spirit bomb, keg smash all on R, etc etc

[mighty valley]

conc blow... that's a throwback

[tight mural]

Shit is that not what it's called anymore

[pallid quiver]

conc blow hasn't existed for over a decade, minimum

[tight mural]

Lmfao

[pallid quiver]

Closest thing is Storm Bolt now

[tight mural]

Shows how much I pay attention

[sick merlin]

E for execute, T for taunt

[tight mural]

Same thing

[sick merlin]

R for run (intercept)

[mighty valley]

it even has the same icon

[pallid quiver]

I feel like storm bolt's stun is shorter that conc's was, don't hold me to it, but storm bolt is ranged and conc wasn't

[tight mural]

I don't like taunt on my keyboard, so I keep at MB4. Less chance of me hitting it by accident

[sick merlin]

I’m the tank so it’s ok if I push it

Mouse buttons are shield block, ignore pain, rally and the one that heals ourselves

[tight mural]

Yeah I have the same bind as fury where that's slightly less ok lol

[blazing shuttle]

My fellow.

Do you take MT over colossus/vice versa in certain keys?

If so, why?

[sick merlin]

I am a full MT main because it’s simpler and works, and I think it’s a bit more dam overall because of set bonus?

But it’s more of a preference thing than anything else I think

[chrome falcon]

"a bit more dam overall" is an understatement

MT with 4 set is way better

play whatever you want, you can do 18s with colossus

which hero spec your tank plays is not going to make a meaningful difference to your success in keys or raid

[sick merlin]

Ok just didn’t want to oversell it and get swarmed by Colossi-lovers

[chrome falcon]

but mountain thane is better by a significant margin

people playing colossus are wrong and they know they're wrong and that's ok

both specs can beat 99.9999% of content in the game

[blazing shuttle]

Of course. Merely asking for opinions.

[undone beacon]

Yeah the long and short of it is that Thane performs considerably better than Colossus, but both are viable. Thane will do the big numbers and Colossus will be on par with other tanks on average

[chrome falcon]

i think colossus is worse damage than every other tank in the game? as long as they're playing their correct hero talents

but i might be wrong on that i haven't looked recently at all

[undone beacon]

Only reason to run colossus is because you like colossus playstyle more

[undone beacon]

They’re on par last time I looked

But thane is just so far ahead it’s hard to even think about colossus imo

[mighty valley]

Colossus def wasn’t below the worst tank specs

Although blood getting buffed

[pallid quiver]

The two technically do have slightly different defensive profiles, but the dungeons in rotation don't really make or break anything either way, since damage profiles influence which defensive profiles are best, due to none of them preventing one hero spec from working or anything.

So most people play Thane because it do more dameg

[plush tendon]

Col is still very good if you prefer it

you can play Immovable Object which gives SW when you Avatar

and you get lots of self healing from bleeds

but... the rage gen+damage from MT I think most people agree is stronger

[undone beacon]

A lot of the self healing falls off as well at lower target counts

[plush tendon]

you also get the shockwave knock up

there is a lot to like about Col

just the tuning doenst compete against MT

oh, and +5% size

there is also the fact with execute being so good

and MT just gets a free 25% execute damage for free

[icy trail]

whats best simc settings for prot?

[jagged pier]

for what content

[last scarab]

dang they instantly left the server? LMAO yall took too long

its ur fault @jagged pier 🙁

[blazing shuttle]

The big thing I really love about COlo is that KNOCK UP.

[jagged pier]

brah im usually not awake

at this time

[blazing shuttle]

That Shockwave Knock Up is just...

[undone beacon]

Jakey confirmed toxic driving away new members

[blazing shuttle]

Ì've noticed. It is infuriating. I feel like... FBV falls off terribly when I have less than 3 targets.

[blazing shuttle]

Love playing that.

[last scarab]

jakey sleeping on the job :/

[woven torrent]

wow same one ring two hard mode weeks in a row

amazing this can happen

[lunar flare]

Lady luck does not bless u this day

[mellow yoke]

be thankful you complete hard mode

[round pendant]

second pull in 2nd boss room priory

is such a nightmare

having a shadow priest in your group just griefs

[chrome falcon]

i think colossus clears MT easily if they're tuned the same

3 target storm bolt is so worthless compared to shockwave knockup

[plush tendon]

I prefer Col

[chrome falcon]

the only problem is that gathering as colossus is

absolute fucking agony

oh you missed one revenge while grouping 6 packs? yeah gg

[raw parcel]

I have no idea why 3 target storm bolt is still there. It's just an actively detrimental talent.

[chrome falcon]

i dunno if i agree with that, it's not literally worthless

but it's pretty bad

it makes the stun DR problem worse whereas the shockwave knockup solves the stun DR problem

[plush tendon]

could be a pvp thing?

idk

[raw parcel]

The guide, last I checked, recommends taking the intervene node but not taking intervene, suggesting to me that the guide writer (who is definitely better than me xD) thinks that the talent is worse than having nothing.

[karmic plinth]

i think it has niche uses for like outdoor content and delves where intervenes value is 0

[round pendant]

yeah fuck MT but I'm absolutely crashing out over threat this season as col

can't wait for next week when I get my 4p

[chrome falcon]

fuck MT is crazy sometimes it's nice to use 0 brain cells and 100 thunderclaps

but yeah threat as a bleed spec is always turbo yikes

especially when revenge has noodle range

[woven torrent]

if u play with 2 classes with prism

u just kill bosses in one cds phase

too easy

[mellow yoke]

yeah

I did that

with 3 dps es with prism

and healer soaked frontal

[balmy narwhal]

do people really not like going right on priory?

[mellow yoke]

It's better to go right

[balmy narwhal]

Every time I go right, dps and healer complain

[mellow yoke]

just assign 1 person to kick on big boss

and all others kick the small boss

and ur completely fine

makes for a much easier boss fight

[loud patrol]

yo guys just came back to the game how prot war?

[tawdry fossil]

nutty

[chrome falcon]

broken

[tawdry fossil]

SO BIG SO HUGE

[chrome falcon]

overall in the 17 dawnbreaker we just failed

what the fuck are these people doing

because it's clearly not dps

[polar cloak]

why are people taking the automatic ravenger

[mellow yoke]

rage

generation

[chrome falcon]

because it's better than the other one

[polar cloak]

the other says reduced dmg beyond 8 targets but the auto doesnt say that so does it do normal dmg beyond 8 targets?

[chrome falcon]

no the other one just throws exactly ravager

it's the exact same ability

[mellow yoke]

you get more ravager

with automatic ravager

in short

[chrome falcon]

and you don't have to press a button that feels like shit to press

[coarse latch]

Last season I believe I remember some people saying that dailcrys pierce armour hit really hard and was basically impossible past a certain key level, correct me if I'm wrong obviously

Has anything changed about that?

[undone verge]

whats the prio look like when you dont have ss or thunderblast? We pressing revenge or TC?

[mellow bridge]

The problem was the combination of pierce armor + judgment

[mellow yoke]

^

now when right side is viable you dont have to go thru judgement

[mellow bridge]

Pierce armor got nerfed and high key routes go the right side now so judgment isn't present in the fight

Also pwarr did +20 even with that so it was def doable just very hard

[coarse latch]

Oh very interesting! Thanks!

[chrome falcon]

the healer has nothing to heal on that fight anymore

so they can actually heal you

as opposed to when the big aoe damage from the miniboss was pressuring healer gcds

[cerulean tusk]

Based on the locks DPS vs DK, I would presume either deaths, long lived bosses/lieutenants, all with a splash of spread/moving adds reducing RoF value

As Feral is kinda low too, I lean on prio targets lasting for a long time

Was I close?

[chrome falcon]

this was damage on bosses

they just sucked lol

[steep crest]

how much crit are you guys aiming for? my sims got me around 26% or 13k

[cerulean tusk]

Seems like my deductions was correct

[frosty mango]

Are you playing push or execute there

[chrome falcon]

push

[frosty mango]

I started feeling lack of the extra rage gen into ip around 16

But dawnbreaker even on a 14 playing execute build feels scary

[chrome falcon]

i started playing push in 15s but that was week 2 of the season

[frosty mango]

That key is heinous

[chrome falcon]

yeah

feels like sometimes you blink and you have 58% healing reduction and suddenly uh oh

[frosty mango]

Yeah or the dumb tainted slash just randomly murders you

[cerulean tusk]

Should have built more parry

[chrome falcon]

on some of the big pulls with 2x tactician i just slam shield wall when i'm 100% hp

because i get a bad vibe from the pull

[frosty mango]

I have 50% crit with procs up and I think that makes it more scary tbh

Because I’ll be coasting for like 30s then catch a bad rng spike and get blasted with healing debuffs

[cerulean tusk]

Just play a monk, roll and RoP

Ez clap

[chrome falcon]

slamming spell reflect on cooldown to get 1 fewer stack of healing debuff lul

[cerulean tusk]

Actually didn't know you could do that

Will store it in my grey memory bank

Filed under: neat

It will be next to the ability to SR deflect the pool roots on the last boss in Ara

[arctic marten]

Does healing reduction from Dawnbreaker's Shadowblades debuff reduce Ignore Pain?

[mellow yoke]

Cause pugs dont know you gotta stun

[chrome falcon]

yes

[orchid narwhal]

parry does not work on tainted slash anymore sadly

[cerulean tusk]

Lord have mercy on BDKs, cause blizzard have none

[paper crypt]

Is there a number we should shoot for for mitigation on logs? I'm hovering around 80% most of the time. Or does it not matter as long as we're not dying

[cerulean tusk]

The more the better, you can compare yourself to others to see how things are going.

If you ask for my preference, I just check things I struggle with or notice. Then improve upon those that. EDTPS and what not is fun, but I dont find raw number numbers very helpful.

[paper crypt]

Ok thanks

[wanton rose]

How you think Prot Warrior vs Legion Remix heroic mode go ?

[mighty valley]

I don’t think balance will matter in remix

[jagged gust]

I soloed mythic orgrimmar as a spriest

Well, most of it

[forest spruce]

is a H Shadowguard's Twisted Harvester any good for use

[solid sun]

It’s listed as a c tier trinket on wowhead for pwar

Do you have other trinkets you can equip instead

And if so, what are they

Also you can always just sim what trinkets you have

[wet sigil]

so say i just wanted to try and do as much dps as possible, is there a resource i can use that shows me talents and such? I use icy veins and doesnt really say if thane or collossus do more dps

[warm plinth]

Thane does more damage with 4pc

[wet sigil]

cool, i have 4. is icyveins best resource for talents?

cause im swapping in and out of massacre and cant tell really which is better

[warm plinth]

Both are fine

[wet sigil]

red righthand+massacre or nah

[warm plinth]

what content

[wet sigil]

M+

like 12+

[warm plinth]

If you're doing lower keys, you can play all the execute shit

[wet sigil]

but really any M+

[warm plinth]

like sub 15ish

above that you start moving toward some of the defensive options

[wet sigil]

ok cool

[orchid narwhal]

in ST does it make sense to use booming voice for anything other than ad efnesive

Ive been using it ofr the sake of but would using it as a defensive make more sense

[mighty valley]

Use it on cooldown for the damage boost 99% of the time

Only hold it as a defensive when you absolutely need another defensive to live

[young wasp]

YO GANG IS BAND OF SHATTERED SOUL'S PASSIVE ACTUALLY ANY GOOD FOR MYTHIC PROG?

No idea what bosses even do cosmic damage

[warm plinth]

Nature, Arcane, Shadow, and Holy

[undone beacon]

Cosmic damage is Shadow, Nature, Holy, and Arcane

[warm plinth]

It works on any of those damage types, as well as Cosmic which I assume is prevalent in the raid

[undone beacon]

Damn beat me to it

[warm plinth]

It's good, but I'd give it to DPS or healers over a tank

You shouldn't have trouble living to the point where you need a small absorb on a ring

[undone beacon]

I just said "tank ring gimme" and now its mine

[young wasp]

Yeah I won but I'm losing damage from it, so probably handing it off to someone else

-.4% for a slight tank buff is kinda eh. Like I probably wouldn't even notice it, no?

[warm plinth]

Checks out

Not as much as a dps or healer would, that's for certain

[sinful copper]

In streets, tanks just stand in the whirling thing on the 2nd boss (3rd guy)? Do I need shield wall to live it or just natty live it?

[warm plinth]

Shouldn't need anything; it's blockable

[nocturne spindle]

yea just sit in it and enjoy vibrating around the boss

its fun

[sinful copper]

Omg crazy. Is that just a warrior thing because we have shield block? Or an all tank thing?

What other boss mechanics in m+ can we just stand in?

[nocturne spindle]

i mean most things you can just face tank if its a dps aoe

notall

but most

[sinful copper]

Ooooo

[grim furnace]

even in raids, prot warriors are OP af

[lime spruce]

for the raider.io pug route for Dawnbreaker, why is pack #12 scheduled when it is and not just done as pull #6 on the way to church

why do we fly all the way up for them just to circle back for 2nd boss

[lime spruce]

thunderclappin cheeks yezzer

[lusty grotto]

usually its lust timing

[lime spruce]

when are lust timings on Dawnbreaker?

[lusty grotto]

but sometimes its because keystone usually fucks the MDT route by flagging the wrong pack because it consists of similar mobs

[lime spruce]

feels awkward since there's no giga pulls like HoA 1

[lusty grotto]

idk the yellow circles usually has info on it

remember exhaustion is 10 mins

so by timing i mean that you want it to be up for a certain specific pull

so you do a pack in between while it recharges

etc

let me see the route hold on

yeah idk

it just makes lust be up just in time for pull 8

if you do that pull before, it probably wont align

but honestly it doesnt matter since all groups are different

and cds are on 2mins or 1.5 mins anyway

also remember flying from pack to pack isnt a huge time sink

its not like youre on ground mounts, i mean

or waddling over

[waxen cradle]

Well I am on the grind for my H Tome now Nim

15 so far

[lusty grotto]

i hate that its a thing, the grind

i dont care if blizzard thinks a drop should have a wow factor when it happens, it feels bad all around

[waxen cradle]

wonder if blizz will take a black market kidney to give me my trinket

[restive oak]

usually its like pull 2, second miniboss and last phase of last boss or something like that

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

Raider.io routes should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Good to see the general idea but frequently (and I mean very frequently), it will pick up packs or mobs that are from the wrong place. I've seen it put a single groundskeeper from the beginning of HoA and mark it as being in a pack all the way over by 2nd boss, or mark half a pack that you can't even separate and put it in place of a pack consisting of the same mobs.

If something seems weird when looking at them, it's because it is

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a keystone.guru issue

it doesnt happen with threechest at least

[lime spruce]

Is threechest another routes site like that

I’ll check it out

[lusty grotto]

yeah its pretty poggers, i like it more than keystone

but r.io and other sites use keystone since they are associated

its just more in line with MDT

[azure crag]

I love auto ravager.
But it makes me sad every time I use heroic throw to grab a mob, and it procs the auto ravager that just gets left behind as the mob runs over to me.

[waxen cradle]

17 Priory's timed no trinket. I am catchin up with ya Nim

I have gotten Sigent to drop 5 times

[lusty grotto]

dw jakey and ghaji are catching up to my 49

cobat did 52 runs this season too

[blazing shuttle]

Jeeeesh.

[slender bison]

Do you even need it at that point?

[torpid dome]

my biggest dps so far, still no tome tho 🙁

[jagged pier]

tome isnt gunna increase your damage that much over a dungeon

it dont scale in aoe

[torpid dome]

true

`pacemaker is probably better for overall dps

[slender bison]

That Floodgate?

[torpid dome]

prio

[slender bison]

I'm using pace+mud in priory and pace+antenna in the rest. Tired of 6 months of tome

[torpid dome]

this was first time pace + brand

before brand I was usually averaging 4,2 - 4,4m on prio

[terse flicker]

i prefer 2nd pack, elite by the gate + pack around it, last boss

[lusty grotto]

so you prefer the same as everyone

[terse flicker]

yes

[lusty grotto]

lol ok

[last scarab]

I got it 😮

i hate floodgate so much

[lunar flare]

Rio uses keystone guru because they purchased it, I believe

Which explains why it’s now riddled with ads

[warm plinth]

Is it really? That's kinda funny

In a sad way

[warm plinth]

Congrats

[paper stump]

Good day everyone,

How are you all doing?

I have started my warrior in DF as Fury and like it so much. And it has been on and off since then. This season, I think I wanna try protection and see how is it (Blood DK is the tank I am playing rn). I have searched and tried to find some guide and how to play protection, but could not find a clear one (Yoda was the only video that gave me some general idea). I wonder if there are any guides that take me step by step and what macros / maybe addon to use to help me get started. I am a visual learner thats why sometimes guides in wowhead / icyviens… etc are hard to follow. Thank you so much everyone.

[warm plinth]

Video guides are generally not super available or particularly good (especially since one patch can make information in s video guide obsolete).

And they require a lot of effort to make

[tame jasper]

It‘s had sdds before because the person behind it payed it himself for years…

But yes there is a „collab in some way“ (no insights on internals on my side ofc) with raider.io

[lunar flare]

It’s not a collaboration

Raider IO owns Keystone Guru

[warm plinth]

Yeah they bought them a while ag9

Ago

[tame jasper]

As written I dont KNOW thsts why I put it in quotaition marks

Technically its still a one man show. As most open source projects world wide

[lunar flare]

You have the same access to google as I do brother. It’s not exactly a mystery whispered in hushed tones in DMs

https://raider.io/news/539-press-release-raiderio-announces-acquisition-of-keystoneguru

[warm plinth]

Tbf keystone was the only thing of its kind and was appreciated for being so, but it was always quite frustrating to use for me. But I doubt we'd now have threechest without it kicking things off

[lunar flare]

Threechest is great imo

[warm plinth]

Even when I do want to look at someone's route on rio, I just copy the string and put it in threechest or in-game

I never use keystone

[lunar flare]

I feel it’s way more responsive

[warm plinth]

That and it's visually similar to MDT in almost all aspects so it's easier to look at imo

[paper stump]

So you think the only way here is to read those guides and practice more maybe?

[warm plinth]

Read, practice, ask questions

If you find video guides, get what you can out of them but understand they're not going to be fully correct most likely

[lunar flare]

Topicx on YouTube has started doing commentary videos of his runs, if you wanted something like that

He pauses and goes through what he’s doing etc

But doot is right, eventually you just gotta get the reps in

[warm plinth]

I've watched a couple of his dungeon runs but not his commentary videos. But he does make a lot of mistakes; if he calls them out in the commentary then that's good but i haven't seen them

[paper stump]

Some players do those runs and use the ability tracker it helps me to follow them aswell. Just wanted to know where to start and get the hang of it on the go till I figure out each situations and what to do accordingly.

[lunar flare]

Yeah he does point out his errors, which is why it’s good. But obviously he’s not the number one prot warrior who never goofs

[warm plinth]

That's good then

[lunar flare]

But, he’s better than me, so I learn a lot

[warm plinth]

We love learning

[lunar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/more-the-you-know-gif-8185046

I often put one of his commentaries on during my morning coffee and find one or two things I could try incorporate into my runs that day

And then deplete every single key because DPS stand in bad 🙁

[warm plinth]

😬

Ok I'm up way too early so I'm going back to bed.

[lunar flare]

Goodnight friend

[paper stump]

We really do. I made many on my blood dk till I learnt. But when i tried my war prot for the first time yesterday (random tw ones) it felt great just wanted to adapt to situations and see how it goes. The damage he does (ilvl688) is crazy compared to my low blood dk. And it is fun aswell.

[lunar flare]

Just ask yourself

What would Matt Bellamy do if he was a prot warrior?

[paper stump]

With all do respect, whos that?

[lunar flare]

…

Are you kidding?

[paper stump]

Just kidding loool

[lunar flare]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

[paper stump]

I have no idea, but hes the only Rocker and his band who got the most unique rock music no one can beat.

[lunar flare]

Knights of Cydonia is a banger

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/skibiridob-demonhunter-gif-27712674

[paper stump]

Man you would might laugh, i knew this band back when i started wow as a warlock in 2005. I was watching Drakedog pvp warlock my insipration and i heard their song and i was like ( this is the best rock i ever heard)

[lunar flare]

The classic pvp videos at like 15fps 480p

[strong belfry]

ey guys quick question

[lunar flare]

Good times

[paper stump]

Tell me about it the best time ever

[strong belfry]

what should be the target Haste as prot?

for example i have 35% wihtout "into the fray". Should i invest more ?

other stats are crit @ 12.5% and versa at 10.3%, mastery +40%

[rough nest]

If anyone's going into floodgate soon, here's how to shave a few seconds before swampface. Have your group jump normally, you land on the bomb and activate it before pulling the kelps and dragging them back to the group, you should have just enough time to to do it and not pull the boss. Boom, swampface's rp happens during trash and you're g2g as soon as they die.
Just tell them what you're doing so they don't blindly follow you and wipe while you gather the adds
And sorry if it is known, last few groups I did it with were surprised (in a good way)

[grave gale]

Hiya I'm new to tanking and it's my first time levelling a proc warrior (currently 75) I don't overly know what I'm doing and too nervous to jump into a dungeon. Any help would be appreciated. 😁

[high latch]

Welcome to the blue team! It's kinda hard to give generic advice, but some of the most important things to understand as prot warr is that you wanna keep Shield Block up as much as possible when you're actively taking melee hits and don't turn your back on mobs because then you can't block or parry them. Then use Ignore Pain to avoid capping on rage.
Aside from that you're probably better off checking out a guide like the Wowhead one or a Youtube video about tanking tips in general, or asking here if you have more specific questions.

[grave gale]

Awesome sauce Thank you!

[high latch]

To run ITF you want 21-25k for decent Shield Block uptime. It won't be a 100% regardless of how much haste you get.
Before that you instead take Heavy Repercussions which gives you 100% uptime easily.
Or some people prefer to always run HR no matter how much haste they have because it's comfy, in which case you just sim your character to figure out which stats are better for you. You would also sim if you run ITF, but there you have a pretty clear goal for haste first.

[cursive locust]

What should I be crafting as prot, realistically right now my only source of myth pieces will be weekly vault so feel like crafting wep and shield for ilvl and stat is a good option however im missing out on embellishments

[boreal comet]

What is the best way of
Simming protection warrior. 5t 1 min and 5 min 1 target?

[mellow yoke]

shield, wep, whatever you need for Ilvl

[mellow yoke]

5t 1 min and 5 t 1.5 min

[steady spruce]

Hi ! What is the best website with tips for tanking each dungeon ? Working on PSF right now

I'm guessing keystone guru ?

[cerulean tusk]

I would presume youtube or google

[steady spruce]

I 'm gonna try this one 🙂 https://youtu.be/46LUThF6Lyg

[cursive locust]

so just skip on the embellishment or do ascension on wep and wait until next week to craft an off piece with writhing armor band or dusk/dawnthread?

[lime spruce]

Quazii’s videos on YT are a great place to start

[lime spruce]

What do you mean missing out on embellishments, you can embellish your 1h + shield

[cursive locust]

mb, didnt know i could embellish shield xd

[steady spruce]

thanks i'm checking it rn

[near pewter]

Hey is there a spot you can check out routes for higher keys without watching individual vods?

[lime spruce]

I think it has to be the Everforged Shield though and not Beledar’s Bulwark

[mellow yoke]

uh

I think 2x dawnthread is better

than ascension + armor binding

I crafted shield with dawnthread

and wrists with dawnthread

[high latch]

There are lots of routes you can see on sites like https://threechest.io/ and https://keystone.guru/. I think you can also extract routes from Warcraftlogs, but not entirely sure.

[lunar flare]

Some of the higher keys on the leaderboards on RaiderIO will have the option to view the route they took

[high latch]

Ah, right. Forgot about that. That can be a good option as well.

[round pendant]

I just want to say

it's what

almost 4 weeks in?

I still haven't dropped a SINGLE pair of boots

because of this I can't get the thing that lets me get crest discounts on my alts

[orchid mural]

ouch

[high latch]

You could always craft them unless you expect to get myth track of the raid boots.

I'm pretty sure even the hero crest thingy gives high enough ilvl for the achieve, but don't trust me 100% on that

[orchid mural]

prolly sent his sparks already

[round pendant]

I just spent runed crests on leather boots to see if they count

they don't

hopefully that makes it free for upgrading my boots when I get them

lmao

[high latch]

The ilvl requirement for the achieve is 704, so you need at least that

[round pendant]

yeah I know

The game just won't drop me boots

still on 684 boots, gloves and shoulders

[rough nest]

I got my first bracers after crafting them yesterday 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

the fuck

I just realised my UI is very similar to critcakes

that wasn't intentional

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-gif-5111338745644474401

[tidal temple]

Is it normal to start depleting more keys than not as you get into 13s? I feel like such a fraud cruising to 2970 but keep failing 13s, in large part to my own mistakes, taking a pull that worked in +12, not using enough mitigation for something that barely scratched me in a +12 etc.
I feel so crap when I'm well aware it was my fault the key was depleted, but I don't know how I can learn the smaller details of 13s without doing them.

[stone moat]

Dude if a 12 is easy a 13 isn’t suddenly turbo hard

Just go again or post a log

[tidal temple]

This is a recent 13 - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/91yqv3hKbdRZzfQx?fight=40&type=summary

[high latch]

Depletion rates typically do go up as you go higher, but not typically at that level. For 12s last reset that was 26.5% and for 13s it was 22.6%.

This reset it's 25.7% for 12s and 24.9% for 13s.

[tidal temple]

Maybe just bad luck then?

[high latch]

Definitely possible, but it sounds like you are certain you are to blame? I haven't checked your log though.

[tidal temple]

Sometimes it's a contributing factor, sometimes it's straight up - I fucked up the route and take a bad pack.

[high latch]

Unless it causes a wipe you can typically get away with one or two bad pulls at that level unless your group just barely have enough damage with the correct route.

[undone beacon]

First thing I can’t help but notice is colossus. Interesting choice

[tidal temple]

Spec is probably bad, but I like demolish a lot.

[undone beacon]

Also only two lusts the whole dungeon?

Missed an entire lust

[tidal temple]

3, we used on last boss too

[high latch]

Col is perfectly capable of 13s and far beyond, but MT is noticably better.

[undone beacon]

Oh it was two mage lusts and a shaman lust lol

Col is capable yeah but if someone is hard struggling at 13 thane might just be easier for getting a grip on the dungeons

[tidal temple]

Yeah, maybe.

I wish there was a practice enviroment for higher keys.

[undone beacon]

You also lost four minutes to death penalty alone

In higher keys those deaths will cost you

[tidal temple]

Yeah, but I'm not sure what I can do about that.

[high latch]

You have pretty low uptime on shield block, but yeah, those deaths are killer (ba-dum-tss)

Your shield block uptime wouldn't be the problem unless you died because of it leading to the others dying.

[undone beacon]

It looks like a lot of random trickle deaths

A lot of it is hoping dps know what a defensive is

[high latch]

Yeah, I think that's the obvious issue here. Good luck timing that with 16 deaths.

Deaths are much more punishing in 12s and higher.

[undone beacon]

You can time with 16 deaths if everyone is pulling like 7 million overall

lmaoo

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[high latch]

Sure. None of them are though.

😄

[mellow yoke]

Deaths are one thing

but deaths in important pulls is another

you have lost 4 mins in deaths

[high latch]

True. It does depend on where and when it happens.

[mellow yoke]

and who knows how much more in lost dps

Deaths are pretty much inescapable in any key

just gotta make sure you are not dying somewhere where it's fatal for the entire run

[undone beacon]

Maybe if you’re bad, nerd

Smh my head

[frosty mango]

Only if you die

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[grave gale]

Lil side question, whats the best way of keep high threat as a tank?

[mellow yoke]

that's how deaths work yeah

[mellow yoke]

do high damage

and u keep threat

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-thor-infinity-war-die-gif-14715325

[frosty mango]

Unironically he’s right, doing your proper dps rotation to maximize damage will be the best way to hold threat

[solid sun]

Also if you wear menacing gear

Especially pajamas

Because only a true maniac would go into battle wearing pajamas

Immediately seen as a legit threat

[grave gale]

Cheers, me being green is an understatment when it comes to stuff like this.

[solid sun]

Have you perused our guides?

Wowhead/icy veins

[round pendant]

That key looks like it bricked cause of the healer tbh