protection

[jagged pier]

nah it was just colossus u keep till 4pc if u wanted to go thane u can swap at 2pc 2pc,

[high latch]

The replace 4pc with 4pc rule only really holds if your old set was myth track. Maybe hero, but I doubt that.

[jagged pier]

they were close enough in damage

at that point

[steep pivot]

I got myth shoulder but i cant wear it coz it would break 4p, need tier helm so i can wear it, or next week catalyst

[frosty mango]

Wait how do you not have 4pc - we have 3 cata charges

[round pendant]

I never got a single tier piece

[frosty mango]

You don’t raid at all at all, like even lfr?

That’s awful luck lol

[round pendant]

I did 1 rotation of lfr

yeah I don't raid til I suffer through pugging it for curve

[tawny ice]

is there a WA you use or recommend? Since rotation addons do not work well for tanks? There is no way I will ever memorize what to hit when

[round pendant]

none of my friends have really been on at the same time early enough for us to all want to go suffer pug heroic either

It's chill tho, it'll just feel better when I do get my 4p

[jagged pier]

nope just time and getting used to it, u can make W/A to track CDs if u want, but that wont tell u what to press

[high latch]

MT decision making at a basic level is simpler than Col. Except for pretty rare situations you prio SS > TB/TC > Revenge/Execute, and dump rage with IP to avoid capping.

If you do that and keep decent Shield Block uptime, no one will complain.

[jagged pier]

well

that depends on VB or not

colossus is always VB SS

[high latch]

Yes, but for a beginner you really don't need to think about it.

[jagged pier]

until 7 targets then VB TC

yer true i suppose

[tawny ice]

surely there are some out there - how on earth do you memorize that many things and know when cds are up if you do not use anything at all?

[jagged pier]

well as i said makes W/As there are lots of packs out there

but i made my own and they arent W/As

[high latch]

Lots of people use the Afenar and Luxthos packs. You could check those out. But they won't tell you what to press when, they'll just track everything and display it for you.

[tawny ice]

so why not go MT now? I have played tank from Vanilla through Cata, came back to tank at end of last season

[jagged pier]

ppl use nomers too

[high latch]

Personally I use Afenar's pack, but I've removed a lot from it and changed a few things.

True. That's a good one as well.

[high latch]

The only reason is that Col is technically a little bit stronger until you get your new 4pc.

[jagged pier]

but just know whats off cooldown is half the battle is pressing the correct thing, and that comes with knowledge of whats going on and how much rage u have homw many targets etc etc and that is all pretty much experience

[high latch]

But MT is perfectly fine.

[tawny ice]

I am fairly tech savvy but not THAT tech savvy to make my own

[warm plinth]

VB? I just woke up but I ran it through my brain like 17 times and can't think of what you're referring to.

[high latch]

Probably meant VO

[jagged pier]

violent outburst

[warm plinth]

First time I've heard it referred to as VB lol. I'm legit like is he talking about vamp blood for some reason

[high latch]

Check out the packs from Afenar (https://wago.io/Afenar_Warrior), Luxthos (https://www.luxthos.com/warrior-weakauras-for-world-of-warcraft-the-war-within/) or Nomeratur (https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek) and pick the one you like the look of most.

[jagged pier]

i think i use it all the time i used both

[high latch]

I'd recommend then deleting or disabling all auras you don't care about because they come with a lot.

[warm plinth]

You don't have to be tech savvy to make basic weakauras

[tawny ice]

thanks, not luxthos b/c I already know i hate theirs for other classes

[warm plinth]

Create a dynamic group, then use the premade templates and just make one for each spell you want to track the duration or cooldown of

It's like 2 or 3 clicks per wa

[high latch]

Personally I prefer Afenar, but they're all good and mostly do the same.

[blazing ridge]

You should just go heroic raid its so ez to tank. Just search for blaster pug and 6/8 is a sleepwalk

[warm plinth]

No thought required except picking which spell you're tracking

[blazing ridge]

I never tanked raids before and first tanked bosses in my 6/8 run with no problem

[high latch]

Specifically I use some modified Afenar auras for my core abilities and resources, then my own auras for tracking cooldowns both offensive and defensive.

[blazing ridge]

WA yells at you to taunt you are simpel you taunt tbh

[jagged pier]

dont get used to it

they are going to remove them

[blazing ridge]

True but yeah most of the taunts are pretty obvious I got you

[jagged pier]

not spell cds and stuff (well maybe eventually), but raid ones yer

[blazing ridge]

But it has been fun tanking raid

[tawny ice]

it's not hard, I am 7/8 and 8/8 on my tanks raiding once a week each. I just want to improve. My biggest struggle is having other tanks pull agro off of me

[blazing ridge]

I might try to pug some mythicbosses

I had a vdh that couldn't hold aggro too

Felt shitty xdd

Like whenever he taunted I had to play baby dps for a bit 🙁

Pug life wcyd

[round pendant]

yeah I know I just cba

only been playing to play with my buds

Raid tanking is also insanely boring

[blazing ridge]

It's dummy training xdd

[round pendant]

last few seasons I've just gone in as fury/arms and parsed like shit but at least it was fun

[tawny ice]

well one tank I tank with he taunts constantly even when he shouldn't. He's been better about not doing it and backing off, but another when looking at the replay, he just had higher threat which is why I came here

[steep pivot]

hey ascendence embelish is better than 2x versa or crit?

[rough egret]

They are all minor

You can sim them

[round pendant]

2x thread is better iirc

[high latch]

No, especially because you really want to end up with 6/6 Myth shield and weap, you want to end up with Dawnthread or Duskthreads.

[steep pivot]

ok ty

[high latch]

Aside from that, simming is the answer.

[round pendant]

If you're losing threat you're probably just not pressing buttons often enough

remember your ABCs

[steep pivot]

why on muurlock io most of protections use stormbound armor kit? i mean we get primary stats from armor... defenders isnt better?

[round pendant]

Always Be Casting

[jagged pier]

no idea, the armour on is better

[high latch]

On Murlok it's pretty much 50/50 which they use. Defender's is better.

[round pendant]

The other 50% probably just don't realise defender's exists

[tawny ice]

yes, see above. previous logs showed I was never hitting revenge, apparently still not enough though I did not lose agro but once last night

[high latch]

Technically true that "most" use Stormbound, but it's just a 27/23 split.

[steep pivot]

ye it might be it, i didnt knew the stamina one xD

ill craft weap, but blank without emb

[warm plinth]

It also doesn't really matter either way. It's like 20 strength

[jagged pier]

yer it wont make a difference

[high latch]

Yeah it's a very minor difference

[warm plinth]

I wonder if the stam one is cheaper; that might explain it too XD

[high latch]

Could be the reason.

[warm plinth]

It is a bit cheaper on NA. 608 for the armor one, 450 for the stam one

Gotta save them gold pieces you know

[high latch]

Rank 2 I assume? That sounds really cheap for r3.

[warm plinth]

Nope, that's r3

[jagged pier]

nah usa have no money

so everything cheap

[orchid narwhal]

Does anybody know if I'm supposed to have gaps in shield block

[jagged pier]

their wow token also always far cheaper

[orchid narwhal]

I've noticed on like long 3-4 minute chain pulls, I'll have a second or two of no shield block

Is there a pandemic timer I'km supposed to be playing aroubnd that I'm not

[warm plinth]

Short answer: yes
Long answer: depends on your haste and talents but you'll always have some here and there (but they should be very small)

[jagged pier]

yep

no tier set to give sb now

so u will have downtime

[orchid narwhal]

I feel like one of the easiest ways to make warrior less button slammy is by makin shield block a longer timer

[jagged pier]

well we take a talent that does

[orchid narwhal]

Yea but I mean like 10-15 seconds

Not 7-8

[jagged pier]

then it would be OP

[orchid narwhal]

It already is

[high latch]

Actually price on EU isn't that different. 706 for Storm and 740 for Defender's.

[warm plinth]

Oh wait, I was looking at the wrong one LOL

I was looking at fierce armor kit for some reason instead of the storm one

so defender is 608 and stormbound is 740

so guess the cost savings goes out the window, for NA at least

[round pendant]

Yeah shield block is already broken and we've had tons of seasons with 100% uptime

I don't see the harm of just letting us have 100% uptime and less having to press it

but it's only a small amount of CPM so idrc either way

[warm plinth]

Shield Block is not a high cpm ability so it's not gonna help us be less "slammy"

Exactly

[jagged pier]

I called it from DF season 1, ppl would complain and start getting blown up because they arent used to shield management

cause of all the free uptime we've been given

[high latch]

They can just run Heavy Repercussion and have their free 100% uptime back

[jagged pier]

only took blizz 7 seasons to not give us free uptime

[jagged pier]

100%

[warm plinth]

Yep

[jagged pier]

but its not the best, so why run it

[round pendant]

and we'll prob have 100% again next season

[warm plinth]

Yeah isn't like...Legion the last time we had a time where we couldn't have 100% uptime?

[high latch]

I think one of the issues is that the Wowhead guide and stuff by default recommend ITF without making it clear that it requires lots of haste and will still have some downtime.

[jagged pier]

nah we had it in SLs

[warm plinth]

I mean we basically have 100% now; it's just not as turn brain off

[jagged pier]

SLs before leggo rework

[warm plinth]

Ah that's true, forgot about that

[round pendant]

yeah I didn't really understand the ITF recommendation last season

[jagged pier]

we had like 70% effective uptime

imagine that now, ppl would be

[round pendant]

the people primarily reading wowhead don't care for the nuance on HR vs ITF

and a bunch of people came in here asking why they can't maintain sb cause of it

lmao

no 4p, etc

[high latch]

Exactly. They'll copy/paste the build and complain that it doesn't work for them.

[warm plinth]

But yeah, I do wish that it was mentioned about HR vs ItF on the guide.

[high latch]

Agreed. It's a pretty important topic I think.

Like, imagine having only 10k haste and not running HR.

[round pendant]

I wasn't playing back then, how do you even live with almost 1/3rd of your time not having block up??

[jagged pier]

comalin to nomer he writes the guide

[jagged pier]

management

[high latch]

Nah, he desverves kisses and hugs and nothing else

[jagged pier]

proper management

was great time

good fun

skill ceiling much higher tho

also sometimes u just hoped u lived

[tawny ice]

What build do you recommend @jagged pier personally I don’t think wowhead is that great but I was told to get that one

[high latch]

IIRC kiting was much more prevalent at that time as well

[jagged pier]

what dont u like about wowhead?

[lunar flare]

shadowlands kiting was fucking cringe

[warm plinth]

The wowhead build is 100% fine, except for what we just spoke about

the ItF vs HR thing

[jagged pier]

u just dont kite, i didnt

[round pendant]

I mean you could argue that those people are also playing content where it doesn't even matter if they drop SB

[orchid narwhal]

What is Itr and hr

[tawny ice]

I can’t speak to how it is for Warriors, but I can tell you that others are better for all my other toons

[round pendant]

Into The Fray and Heavy Repercussions

[warm plinth]

Into the Fray, Heavy Repercussions

[round pendant]

yeah it's diff for warrior

[warm plinth]

🤔

[round pendant]

there's a couple crappy class guides on wowhead

I won't say which

[warm plinth]

I mean, don't get me wrong, I think there's a few of us who have some minor hangups on the wowhead guide, but it's still a solid guide

[jagged pier]

I doubt that, as i talk to the ppl that make the builds, and the amount of thought and time that goes into them are insane

[orchid narwhal]

Oh quick question, at what target count is thunderous roar worth hitting

[warm plinth]

And they are minor

[orchid narwhal]

I noticed the raid build doesn't take it, so I was curious what that meant about M+ builds

[jagged pier]

i dont know how u are judging these builds as bad

[warm plinth]

1 target

Isn't this the same dude who was talking about not knowing what buttons to press 10 mins ago

[jagged pier]

for all tanks they should be solid for all the content they are listed for

[tawny ice]

I know for priest well head is not as good and that comes from some really good priest that I know that our top parsers

[round pendant]

what priest

shp?

or holy/disc

if it's holy/disc that guy is cooked

[tawny ice]

Me? I’m just asking

[high latch]

To be fair, the Wowhead class guides had a bad rep years ago, but they've all gotten much better, and most of them are really solid.

[orchid narwhal]

Priest wowhead does suck in general

[tawny ice]

Shadow

[orchid narwhal]

It tells you stuff but its not super comprehensive in terms of actual gameplay, it feels written by people that are out of touch as to what you want to know as a new player

[jagged pier]

you said for other classes the are better builds out there, for tanks there arent

[round pendant]

yeah all the tank guides are good on wowhead

[jagged pier]

and top parsers are more about, your team letting u cheese adds getting pi etc etc

i cant speak for dps guides

i can only talk for tank guide and talents

for us wowhead and icy veins are great

wowhead for other tanks great

[tawny ice]

Not a dude and I came here for help bc I thought it would be helpful. I’ve been listening to non warrior tanks about what I should be doing. I was a very good tank before I left the game. I’m trying to get back there. That’s why I’m here. Not to be put down

[high latch]

If you're doubting the Wowhead builds, check that, the icy-veins builds, the ones here in #protection-faq, and compare with the top builds on Archon and Murlok.io. Then you can figure out what nodes are the best and what they all have in common and make your own build.

But in short, the Wowhead builds are great.

But run HR over ITF if you have less than 21-25k haste.

[warm plinth]

I'm not putting you down. I was clarifying that the person shitting on the wowhead guide was the same person who was literally just saying they didn't know what buttons to press 10 mins prior. That's a huge contradiction wouldn't you say

[tawny ice]

Just asking. Someone here brought it up. And for my other toons I was told not to use wowhead

[round pendant]

Let's not be hyperbolic

I wouldn't say they were "shitting on" the wowhead guide

[tawny ice]

Wasn’t shitting on wowhead. I asked bc OTHER PEOPLE TOLD ME NOT TO USE WOWHEAD

[vital vale]

help me out here, i just tanked 1st boss ara kara, keeping boss near the egg adds for cleave, and all of a sudden the boss leaps into one of my party members and in the process consumes all of the adds

what happened

did one of them taunt it?

[mellow yoke]

Wowhead is an okay base

[late trellis]

Mythic Plexus Sentinel, when you're the offtank how do you deal with dropping teh tank buster into the knockback?

[warm plinth]

nah you said this bro

[high latch]

Completely fair. It's also good to not blindly trust random guides, including the Wowhead one. But in this case, it's actually solid.

[tawny ice]

No! Keep them away

[late trellis]

Do you cloak past the back wall and wait for it to come back off CD?

[mellow yoke]

After you run some dungeons you can experiemnt and change some points here and there and see what fits you best @tawny ice

[orchid narwhal]

There is a very odd problem with ara kara whee if you taunt the boss and then are too far away frm the boss during its tank buster, it will tank buster the closest person to the boss

[vital vale]

they didnt reach the boss, the boss leaped into one of my team members

[round pendant]

Someone lured an add into the boss

oh

[vital vale]

that caused it to leap?

[mellow yoke]

he said leaped to DPS

[vital vale]

i wasnt away from the boss

[forest lagoon]

The adds made it into his melee range. All the party members have to stand so their models are outside his targeting circle, the adds fixate other players and if they move too close the boss will eat the adds

[round pendant]

Oh it leapt to a player?

[orchid narwhal]

Then somebody was too close to the boss

The bug im talking about is different, can ignore

[high latch]

If the whole party know the cleave strat, that is great. But I wouldn't trust a pug with that in a million years.

[orchid narwhal]

But also good to know, I've killed like 4 people on purpose with that bug LOL

[vital vale]

imagine this:

[boss] [me] -- [team+spiders]

boss leapt past me into team

[mellow yoke]

You can report that to blizard, they will fix it in midnight season 2

[vital vale]

distance between us is like 5 yards

[forest lagoon]

He probably didn't aggro to DPS that's just the animation he does when he eats the adds

[round pendant]

It leaps to adds too if an add gets in range, then it leaps to any other in range

I've never seen the boss leap to a player

[vital vale]

no spider went into the boss, the boss leaped into the spiders

[vital vale]

oh is that what happened?

[mellow yoke]

the only way a boss leaps to a player is when it uses ferocious bite

and the player that has aggro on it is far

[orchid narwhal]

After reading this, this is useful

When would you run this generally? I have around 24k haste but wouldnt the haste outvalue the shield block stuff

[round pendant]

yeah 24k haste is enough to run itf, you'll have small gaps in sb

[mellow yoke]

21k+ is needed to run ITF to get some good value

[round pendant]

just don't waste a sb charge at the end of a pack

[mellow yoke]

25-26k u can be safe

with SB pretty much

[high latch]

I recommend 21-25k haste. But you'll still have a few percent downtime.

I have just under 25k and get 94-95% uptime.

[round pendant]

If you logged it you could check the replay on wcl

[orchid narwhal]

Okay makes sense, so its more for people with the wrong gear values until they get it

[tawny ice]

You can log keys?

[round pendant]

yep

get Loggerhead addon

[jagged pier]

u should log and record everything

[high latch]

Loggerhead can automate it, Bigwigs has an option as well.

Or just /combatlog

[jagged pier]

if u want to improve

[orchid narwhal]

Just be mindful that you're reading the parse stuff correctly, many people do'nt read it correctly the first time they log it

[round pendant]

did bigwigs fix that it only toggled for boss fights in dungeons?

[late trellis]

took intervene, this helps a bit but is still really dicey

[high latch]

I use the Bigwigs option and it works for me. Think it was buggy last season though.

[round pendant]

It was at this moment he knew he fucked up

[high latch]

👀

Yeah that DK is not compatible with the cleave strat.

[round pendant]

To be fair, he was high out of his mind on sleeping pills

and other substances

[mellow yoke]

peak

[lunar flare]

Never thought I'd see anyone say this about Jak, dudes pretty swell, but I haven't read the wowhead guides admittedly

[round pendant]

no I mean

the guy saying wowhead is bad is cooked

Jak's guide is good

[lunar flare]

Oh

I get u

Jak's one of the better WoW content creators imo

[round pendant]

Yeah I like him

[frosty mango]

Most of the wowhead guides are solid

Only a few I’ve encountered that weren’t

[round pendant]

I don't like how basically ANY guide is structured though

at least Icy Veins has the easy mode sections for new players

but I'd really like a site that had like a few sections

1. basics (explains in words, not a priority list, how to not die/be useful and gives reasoning)
2. advanced (more niche interactions and things)
3. optimal/min-max stuff, rotations
   4+. All the other stuff like sections for builds, consumables, tidbits, etc

but maybe I'm just god awful at navigating wowhead

[shrewd lake]

Hi all

I made a macro that casts shield block ignore pain and thunder clap

What key level can I ride this shortbus till?

[round pendant]

lmao

[high latch]

As in your macro uses all three every time you press it?

[round pendant]

like +7 maybe?

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[shrewd lake]

Yep

[high latch]

Don't..

[shrewd lake]

This is a serious question

I just started playing war this weekend

[shrewd grove]

Delete that macro immediately then

Lol

[lunar flare]

If you're new, setting up bad habits like that is a sure fire way to never learn anything

[high latch]

The problem is that you wanna use TC a lot, especially as MT. Spamming IP at the same rate will starve you of rage. Spamming SB like that will have you drop uptime way too much.

[shrewd lake]

Can i just delete thunderclap and be good

[tawny ice]

I’m merely referring to specs

[shrewd grove]

No

[high latch]

As Col you only really wanna TC to apply rend or if you have nothing else to press, but as MT you use it all the time.

[shrewd lake]

I am playing colossus

What should I press instead of thunderclap

[shrewd grove]

Still can't delete it off your bar. You need it to apply rend

[high latch]

SS > Revenge > TC for rend > TC

[shrewd lake]

Ss?

[high latch]

Shield Slam

[tawny ice]

I do. I’m not a fan of parse runs. And I had people use the basic parse before to say I wasn’t doing something and then when you went to the comparison for like levels it was totally different. I still suck as a shadow priest though

[high latch]

Maybe TC for rend is higher pri than Revenge actually. Not sure.

[shrewd lake]

Yep those I do

[round pendant]

don't macro shield block or ignore pain to anything

[shrewd grove]

It is

[round pendant]

You will rage starve and die

[high latch]

Ok, my bad.

[round pendant]

and do zdps

[shrewd grove]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank

Highly recommend reading through this

[round pendant]

You can macro SS to IP but you still use SS on it's own button

[high latch]

An important distinction is that you can macro SS to IP. Not the other way around.

So your IP bind will also send SS if you get a reset right at that moment.

[round pendant]

yeah sure

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

is your IP button

[shrewd lake]

Okay so read through the dps rotation

I need to find a way to have it less buttons so my hands don't hurt
I have shield slam and revenge on the mouse side buttons thunderclap macro on the mouse, and avatar on the mouse

[warm plinth]

ItF is a lot more DPS than Heavy Repercussions, which is almost none. But you can't do damage if you're dead, hence the decision there.

But 24k is enough to run ItF anyway

[high latch]

We sadly can't really macro much together without severely gimping ourselves. But AFAIK the one-button assist only loses you -20% damage, but you still need to manually use defensives and cooldowns.

[shrewd lake]

Understood

So, the macros will hurt my dps but not survivability?

[high latch]

It will kill your survivability too.

[round pendant]

Only if you press nothing else

[high latch]

Cus you won't have enough Shield Block which is your most important thing. And you'll run out of rage which has all kinds of consequences.

[lunar flare]

Is this kosher? Will I go to jail for using it?

[round pendant]

It's legit

[warm plinth]

It's a normal macro

[high latch]

It's 100% approved

[warm plinth]

A lot of us use it

[lunar flare]

Damn

What a game changer

[high latch]

It's actually bad to not use it because you can miss out on SS resets.

[warm plinth]

The only negative of it is that you can theoretically eat an outburst when you didn't mean to

happens to me from time to time

[high latch]

True actually.

[round pendant]

eating an outburst on ss isn't the end of the world tho

[warm plinth]

nah

it's fine

Just mentioning it as a technical negative of it

In aoe anyway

[high latch]

Never really considered that, but that is a legit concern.

[shrewd lake]

So what if I just ignore pain every time I shield slam, or I'd probably never gain any rage right

These are real questions I'm just trying to make the class simple right now as a beginner

[lunar flare]

Spending an outburst on SS on ST is fine though right?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[lunar flare]

Asking for a friend

Nice

Between the arguments about whether simming is reality and spider gifs, I learn new things from you all

Thank you

[high latch]

You would probably still starve yourself, especially as Col. Because IP costs much more than SS generates and you also wanna prioritize Revenge quite high which also costs rage.

[round pendant]

Simple:
Rage above 70? IP
SS > TClap if no rend applied > Revenge > TClap (as Colossus)

and maintain shield block

ofc

[high latch]

What yam said.

[round pendant]

Never ever consider IP's current state when pressing it

the only thing that matters is that you press it to prevent rage capping with your next abilities

[shrewd lake]

Okay this I can so

[high latch]

Yeah, unlesss you really need it defensively right now, it's actually that simple.

[round pendant]

You'll never need IP like that til you're good enough to be doing high ass keys tho

[shrewd lake]

I tanked up to a 7 last night and didn't really take any damage but I am sure at some point the ignore pain management will matter

[high latch]

IP isn't as important as you might think, but following that priority you'll naturally have decent uptime. And that's doubly true as MT because we generate much more rage.,

[chrome falcon]

not really tbh i've been doing 18s and i don't think about "ignore pain management"

when my rage gets high i press the button

i genuinely have not thoughts to myself "uh oh i wonder if i have ignore pain up right now" outside of like... mythic raid tankbusters while undergeared

in years

[shrewd lake]

Even with hitting revenge a lot there's still high rage gain where I could overcap? Cause I've been spamming revenge when no shield slam and tc on cd

[round pendant]

in fact, tracking IP made me press it more than I had to

I got better by removing it entirely from my UI

[chrome falcon]

this

[high latch]

Yes, even as Col you'll have to press IP every now and then. Revenge won't be enough to keep your rage from capping.

[chrome falcon]

it's extremely easy to overcap even when "spamming" revenge

[high latch]

Revenge costs so little.

[shrewd lake]

Would that then line up with generally when you need to press shield block?

[chrome falcon]

there isn't really a "when" you need to press shield block

most of the day i am just brainlessly spamming the button to maintain it

[jagged pier]

dont do that

[cerulean tusk]

Jakey, I do that

[high latch]

Yeah, that's not good advice.

[cerulean tusk]

[jagged pier]

you will have even more gaps doing that

[shrewd lake]

It's every 12s right? Except if I have the talent for shield slam to extend it or I use shield charge

[mellow yoke]

overlapping it is not good either

[jagged pier]

u like to ragebait me on purpose

[cerulean tusk]

If I aint going out of the pull with 23sec of shieldblock, what is life?

[chrome falcon]

i dunno i have like 90% blocked hits i think it's ok

yes obviously don't press the button when the pack has 4 hp left

[jagged pier]

overlapping at the start of a pull fine, the longer it goes the more u need too pay attention

[lunar flare]

Protect yourself from trips and falls

[chrome falcon]

i'm saying if you're in the middle of fighting a pack and it's not got 5 seconds to live, you should be pressing shield blcok

[cerulean tusk]

Simply block the mean words DPS throw at me between pulls

[lunar flare]

"____ yourself" thank u shield block

[cerulean tusk]

🛡️

[shrewd lake]

Okay thank you all for the help

I won't be tanking 18s ever but Id like to probably do up to 12s

[cerulean tusk]

Healer asking for mana, trying to slow you down?
Healer: "..." Thank you shieldblock

[chrome falcon]

out of curiosity does anyone else think kira is griefing by dropping shield spec for enduring alacrity in certain keys or is that actually a thing

[jagged pier]

it makes no sense

but it works for him

[high latch]

To me it's an obvious mistake. But yeah, it works for him.

[cerulean tusk]

I need to copypaste it somewhere, the whole:
"It is a matter of what tanking philosophy you adhere to" thingie

[solid sun]

I adhere to I’m dumb so tell me what to do

So easy

[cerulean tusk]

I just will say, if ya do that - you also better do the key in battle stance

[jagged pier]

shield spec is better than EA

[chrome falcon]

i adhere to taking good talents

[jagged pier]

run shield spec

[high latch]

It's more like to do high keys like that the most important thing isn't a couple of your talent points, it's your group coordination and damage.

[chrome falcon]

yeah well indeed

[jagged pier]

he also opts to not run whirling blade every run

dont know why

but you missing a tone of rage gen and damage

[solid sun]

I think if you don’t run shield spec you’re more likely to drop your shield mid combat

And that would be horrific

It’s important to not be a novice at using shields

[jagged pier]

nah it would be up all the same

[shrewd lake]

Is that the ravager talent

[solid sun]

You want to be proficient with shield use

[jagged pier]

but your IP will get taking down quicker

[jagged pier]

yes

[chrome falcon]

he also ran fight through the flames over armor specialisation which again seems weird (in 18 priory) like i guess he's just extremely scared of braunpyke which makes sense

he is very scary

[shrewd lake]

I took it off to get the last victory capstone talent or whatever that saves you.

Bad?

[jagged pier]

[high latch]

I can kinda see why, but I wouldn't do that myself.

[cerulean tusk]

This might be an unpopular take, but blizz should add a damage component to Shield Specialist, have it also increase your shield slam damage by 10%. So ppl dont think about not taking it

[chrome falcon]

whirling blade is definitely a better talent that massacre

you drop masscare for BSV

[high latch]

Yes, a bit bad. You have other talents you can drop instead.

[solid sun]

This is true. If I’m an expert at using shields I’m def gonna slam with it better

[rough egret]

Bring back old block value stacking so your slams are bigger

[shrewd lake]

Ima log on and share, my noob build, I'd like some help but still wanna keep some extra "I suck talents"

[chrome falcon]

okay but i'm warning you right now

[jagged pier]

well that the thing, he seems to keep massacre and heav handed over whirling blade every time

[chrome falcon]

we're just going to tell you to run the talents on wowhead

[jagged pier]

which doesnt make sense to me at least

[high latch]

Honestly, the defensive Wowhead build is solid. You drop the execute talents for BSV and a couple of other things.

[jagged pier]

i mean andy is literally just playing with the push build from wowhead

and is r6 right now

[chrome falcon]

if you're scared enough that you need BSV then surely you need free rage gen that doesn't cost a global from whirling blade lol

[cerulean tusk]

If he didnt follow the build, he would r1

[jagged pier]

if he gets r1 u are probably going to see a lot of ppl swap to follow him just saying

[shrewd lake]

[cerulean tusk]

Sadly he fighting an uphill battle with all those wowhead talent handicaps

[jagged pier]

nah i still member SLs when he used wowhead build and got r1, next day all these top warriors were using his build

and ppl still think we make it up when we say ppl just copy

[mighty valley]

[jagged pier]

right exactly

[cerulean tusk]

Ya cant handle thE TruTH!

[jagged pier]

but he doesnt run it every where but runs BSV

feelcrafty is fine, it works for him, but that doesnt mean we follow blindly

[cerulean tusk]

If ya dont talent into shieldspikes

[shrewd lake]

What would you drop?

[chrome falcon]

when a class is super strong like pwarr right now

[cerulean tusk]

are you even having fun?

[chrome falcon]

it's very possible to get very high rio rank without even being particularly good at the spec

[chrome falcon]

holy what the fuck am i looking at

you

don't have

thunderous roar

[rough egret]

Another example of copy pasta from Yoda and Kira… i thought this guy was cool

[chrome falcon]

oh my god

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-brotha-eww-meme-eww-eww-gif-gif-1452572770363109714

[chrome falcon]

bro i'm really sorry but yes

please just go copy the wowhead talents

[jagged pier]

just take the wowhead builds please

thats an abomination

[chrome falcon]

Indomitable is one of the worst talents on our entire tree

I get that you're taking defensive talents so you don't die in your key

Because dying in the key feels bad

[cerulean tusk]

Not in lower keys, to be fair

[chrome falcon]

But this build does maybe 300 dps

Doing 0 damage is also griefing your key

[high latch]

I would run something like this. Which is the defensive Wowhead build.

[cerulean tusk]

Damned anti shieldspike' all of ya

[chrome falcon]

You're skipping an entire offensive CD by not taking thunderous roar from the class tree

[high latch]

But change ITF to HR if you have less than 21-25k haste.

[jagged pier]

nah hes playing colossus

he needs the haste

[high latch]

Oh ok

[mighty valley]

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

you gotta understand that 1 million dps from the tank does just as much damage as 1 million dps from the dps

you can't just slam every single defensive talent on the tree and call it a day

[shrewd grove]

Source needed*

[jagged pier]

[high latch]

There's really just red DPS, blue DPS and green DPS.

[jagged pier]

theres just dps, that can take more damage than other dps, and dps that can heal dps

[round pendant]

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Acthuallzyh noth truE, if tank doez Moahr AoE damageh, it willh alhso kill addsh DPS woulhd OtherWise Do Thath damhage to. So, Acthuallly, you took away damage from the team breakdownh, myez.

[round pendant]

my anti AI bias is so large I stopped respecting anything topicx had to say when I saw he had an ai generated icon

[mighty valley]

🤝

[rough egret]

Hehe

[frosty mango]

As thane you’d overcap ip and rage starve yourself during execute

[chrome falcon]

amen

[high latch]

The one good reason I can see for dropping Shield Spec is if your healer entirely passively keeps you at 100% regardless of your choice.

But that hasn't happened in any of my keys.

[round pendant]

Well, that and he defended it in here saying it's a good thing that it'll replace graphic designers basically

[frosty mango]

Yam first adopter of clanker

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

[chrome falcon]

i honestly think if you tried really hard and got rank 1 io week 1

with the worst most dogshit build possible

[shrewd grove]

[chrome falcon]

and then make some shit up defending it

it'd be meta for a while

[jagged pier]

u can do that

[rough egret]

And ppl follow theese ppl and take their advices as good

[shrewd grove]

That's gross af

[rough egret]

Anyway

[jagged pier]

its almost like your group cordiantion is far more likely to time your key than u doing damage

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-no-way-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-16935646637611070933

[undone beacon]

False. Bigger number = more zug = dead mob = finished key

It’s simple math

Transitive property or something

[jagged pier]

exactly your group plays better, bigger number form all of of u ergo dead mob fished key

checkmate

[undone beacon]

Yeah but MMO stands for “Me [and] Me Only” so group coordination is for nerds

I take myself and four resto shamans

[jagged pier]

[steep pivot]

78% SB!!!!!

[jagged pier]

okay nomer just gave me the juice so you can all say this and its in terms of gear.
So running without Shield spec but running EA instead, is the same as running a 700 ilvl shield when u have a 723 in bags because it has better stats

[solid sun]

Do you hate me too

Or do I get a pass because I’m not a content creator

[high latch]

Guess I gotta get me a 700 ilvl shield

Jokes aside, I knew it was pretty bad, but not that bad. 16% is pretty big.

[steep pivot]

hoa10 ^^

[solid sun]

I think it’s the Pythagorean theorem

[undone beacon]

Nome needs to say and pin this shit lol

[strong forum]

"hey block is extremely strong, lets make it significantly weaker to gain 2% haste bro"

[jagged pier]

and 5% hp

dont forget that

[undone beacon]

Stammaxing

[jagged pier]

well u can push him to do that, other wise just link to my message

[round pendant]

Yes

I never said I hate topicx

[jagged pier]

well i dont know what u had before but good for u, however u should really log your runs and actually see what u are getting from SB

[high latch]

78% is pretty low. Are you running ITF with low haste? Or not using Shield Charge enough?

That is true. What is imporant isn't actually SB uptime, it's how many melees you block. But hey are strongly correlated.

[solid sun]

I just wanted a neat rhino for my discord pic :(

[undone beacon]

Can you pin something for this so people can stop fighting cuz the fighting scares me 🥺

[jagged pier]

we warriors we fight

[solid sun]

Honestly it comes up enough it could be worth a pin

[high latch]

Zug zug

[solid sun]

Even if nobody reads it

[round pendant]

Get a picture of a real rhino

[undone beacon]

I’m an uwu soft boi warrior that takes hits all day I’m a tanker not a fighter

[jagged pier]

[undone beacon]

Sorry that was awful

[round pendant]

I really think wowhead should have a lil tidbit section about why certain nodes are taken

it could clarify why and when ITF is taken over HR

Shield Spec, etc

[shrewd lake]

So do i take whirling blade or ravager

[high latch]

Whirling

[strong forum]

wait

what are these clowns even taking

[round pendant]

I hate that whirling exists

[strong forum]

when they are dropping shield spec

?

[round pendant]

alacrity no?

[chrome falcon]

enduring

[high latch]

It's just a classic "why is Kira doing this?" thing

[strong forum]

you can have both

[chrome falcon]

execute cleave

[strong forum]

?

[jagged pier]

yer but they arent because they are taking massacre and cleave execute

and not whirling blade

oh and SD

[round pendant]

yeah + execute talents

[strong forum]

okay so they just go max damage

[jagged pier]

nah because they dont take the 15% exectue damage

and they also sometimes dont take whirling blade

[strong forum]

[round pendant]

Surely they'd get more benefit out of Shield Spec than even BSV

[jagged pier]

but the consistent is no sheild spec

but EA

[shrewd lake]

what about this

[strong forum]

cant afford it

its also pretty bad

[jagged pier]

actually the cleave execute and massacre are consistent too

[high latch]

It's not a horrible niche choice, but it's not something I've ever picked.

[round pendant]

I'll never forgive blizz for not making Bitter Immunity almost free to grab

they just really want us to buy a race change to dwarf eh

[shrewd lake]

okay, thank you

[shrewd lake]

are there ANY macros I CAN make to save buttons

[strong forum]

this is what seems to be most popular

so they are just...

picking bloodborne over shield spec

[high latch]

Not really.. The only good macro is to have IP also cast SS, but that would be its own bind regardless.

[round pendant]

this is Kira's

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

thats what most ppl are refuring too because hes number 1 nomer they are just copying

[round pendant]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

and ive been trying to explain all day

hoenstly like talking to a wall over and over

[strong forum]

this is legit 90% of the max damage build

so the reason is just

shield spec doesnt give damage

thats it

nothing else

any other reason is bogus

[jagged pier]

but thats not what ppl are saying when defending it

[strong forum]

yeah cuz theyre dumb

big whoop

[jagged pier]

it also why not take whirling blade

if u want to do damage

[shrewd lake]

Please be proud

[strong forum]

cuz it aint consistent ig

[high latch]

Yep, that would work.

[strong forum]

idk man these people cook weird shit

[jagged pier]

i mean it pretty consistent for me

[strong forum]

then justify it afterwards cuz "it worked"

[jagged pier]

not gunna lie

[strong forum]

remember people in DF

[high latch]

But you also need a regular bind for just Shield Slam.

[strong forum]

dropping shield charge and ravager

[jagged pier]

yer i meber

[strong forum]

people do cooked shit all the time

[jagged pier]

why im praying for andy to get r1 hes running your push build

[chrome falcon]

just failed a 17 halls because my shield broke mid combat AMA

[jagged pier]

🙏

[chrome falcon]

fuck you blizzard

[strong forum]

[high latch]

How does repair costs make you feel Mat?

[jagged pier]

that is your fault for not repairing

[chrome falcon]

thanks jakey

your takes are as insightful as always

keep it up buddy

[tepid nacelle]

Is it just me is or Chaoic Nethergate massively underrated? Been using a maxed out hero version and at 711 ilvl its been doing about 5-7% of my overall damage.

[jagged pier]

ppl havnt agreed but ill take it matta thank you

[high latch]

You could also just not equip a shield. Can't break it then.

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

what the fuck is a chaotic nethergate

politely

[jagged pier]

wait for @cerulean tusk to get bored and do it, he usually makes a 2h build and runs it

[tepid nacelle]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=246825/chaotic-nethergate?ilvl=710

[high latch]

I'd love to see him try

[chrome falcon]

that seems pretty awful

[tepid nacelle]

and it benefits from damage amps

[chrome falcon]

2 minute on use sucks for us and it gives mastery without mainstat

[cerulean tusk]

2hand Prot? usually works pretty alright

Should work better this season

[high latch]

Oh no

What have we done.

[cerulean tusk]

Things hit for less, and we got more exe potential dam

[tulip pumice]

If it only had main stat

[strong forum]

it does uncapped aoe, so its a funny haha pad trinket

but its not useful in consistent scenarios

[tepid nacelle]

been using it in M+ on big pulls

[strong forum]

ye like its funny pad, but 2min cd sucks, and it doing negative on low target counts also sucks

[rough egret]

Being Blacksmith is the best, im saving tons of golds on shield repairs :😀

[tepid nacelle]

yeah its useless on bosses, you gotta time it with a big pack, thats the only downside

[round pendant]

gotta consider no primary stat too when comparing it to other trinkies

but idk how much 7k str gives us in terms of dps %

[tepid nacelle]

yeah mastery bonus is also a major downside, thats true

[chrome falcon]

i still think brand was originally supposed to not give mainstat

it's the only explanation for why it's so overtuned

[tepid nacelle]

yep, havent paid a repair bill in 2 seasons, probably saved over 100k gold at this point

best feature of blacksmithing

[high latch]

Maybe that's the play. Be BS for repairs and Alch for double flask duration.

[undone beacon]

It’s very tempting to swap off herding and pick up BS for repairs yeah

I’m Alchemy/Herb rn

[tepid nacelle]

i usually do mining at the start of the expansion, then switch to alchemy

once the market crashes

[round pendant]

I haven't gathered in months I should probably make that switch

[undone beacon]

I should just swap my herbing to Druid lol

And go BS for repair stuff

[high latch]

How does free repairs as BS work? Item you craft or a profession specialty point thingy?

Maybe not the right place to ask, but got curious..

[rough egret]

You need to have maxed the armorsmith and weapon smith nodes

Basically every slot

[high latch]

I see. Sounds like a pretty big investment.

But probably worth.

[rough egret]

I have weapon shield and helm so far

[undone beacon]

Honestly just maxing shields would be worth the investment alone cuz that thing gets demolished

[rough egret]

But weap and shield are most expensive anyway

[high latch]

True. Maybe I'll do that.

[rough egret]

And you craft an item

That you use to repair your gear

For free

[tepid nacelle]

you can also craft using silver mats and use concentration so your own items are cheaper

plus work orders, people tend to be pretty generous in my experience

(not all obviously, its like doordash, you get some cheap asses, and some whales)

[rough egret]

I made 0 profit so far 😄

[tepid nacelle]

it takes a while to see a profit, but it will come eventually once you stop needing to spend gold on knowledge

just dont take the knowledge points that want crazy expensive materials, wait for cheaper ones

[high latch]

I make ~250g per day as alch 🥲

[round pendant]

I levelled up some blacksmithing on my paladin

can craft shields, daggers and axes

and then I just don't sit in trade chat crafting for people

but I save money crafting for my alts/main

but I could be rich

[chrome falcon]

does anyone have a route for a 16-17 priory that isn't illegal dogshit

for pugs

[orchid narwhal]

What do you currently have

Honestly think right side is bait for pugs

First boss becomes too hard

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

nah i think right side is extremely free

[rough egret]

I had the most gold last 2 weeks sold 2 boes from HC got over 1mil

[chrome falcon]

people who are pugging 17s have kick weakauras and can rotate without comms

[jagged pier]

u just make a kick order

[orchid narwhal]

laughing i wish that were true

cries in 7 failed priories to first boss

[chrome falcon]

if your group can't handle first boss they can't handle anything else

[high latch]

Isn't it the opposite, that left side is bait for high keys? You get overlaps of the leap + pulsing AoE. The guy getting leaped on will simply die if they don't have a defensive.

[chrome falcon]

so you're ggs anyway

[rough egret]

Imo what is hard is the miniboss on right side not the boss

[orchid narwhal]

just in general priory without comms sucks

[rough egret]

And its hard for healer

To heal form the initial boom and then the dot

[orchid narwhal]

Yea I think no matter what its rough no matter what

[high latch]

The route stats are actually kinda interesting. On low keys left is more popular, then around 12s it's about 50/50, then it shifts more and more over to the right side on higher levels.

[rough egret]

Boss is like.. let me solo boss int and leg dps and healer play with add interrupt

[jagged pier]

im not trusting a pug healer to heal left side first boss

[orchid narwhal]

I just dont like te first boss, think i mjust used to prot pal and getting every kick, then having a stroke when my dps stand in narnia so ur melee cant do anything

[round pendant]

I did a right side priory finally

[jagged pier]

goodd

[round pendant]

It felt easier

[jagged pier]

thats what ive been saying

[round pendant]

Though the routing is weird and I don't like having to skip that second knight patrol

[jagged pier]

[high latch]

I agree. The only hard part is if you don't kick fireballs on first boss.

[chrome falcon]

side right miniboss (the one you fight with boss) does actually literally 0 damage

[jagged pier]

u dont need to skip it

[chrome falcon]

compared to left side miniboss that has a tankbuster and giant unavoidable aoe pulses

[round pendant]

yeah I'm gonna figure out a route with no skips

since puggers

too sketchy?

[rough egret]

You can skip that

[orchid narwhal]

I pull that priestplus footman with dk grip into te miniboss on the right side

then do emberlanez will sharpshoter dog footman pack somewhere

[rough egret]

By just runing on the street

[round pendant]

I've had people buttpull it or the lynxes

so I'd rather just take one of em

[jagged pier]

just do the lynxs

until it gets higher honestly

[round pendant]

yeah I think mini + lynx is free until like 15 prob

that's what I always did on the other side last season

[green trench]

me doing almost exclusively m+, how much is the boots worth doing HC (dont do mythic raiding at all)? 😮

[jagged pier]

not at all

[shrewd lake]

put a tick on the bar for when to IP. and i now have thunderous roar again

[high latch]

Higher ilvl boots are better. But they are really nice if you're comparing them to other boots ofthe same track.

[high latch]

Nice

[green trench]

So, me getting the hc trinket, i dont ever have to step into raiding again? 😄

[high latch]

Unless you'd want to, sure.

[rough egret]

Yep

[high latch]

A myth track Brand would be even better, but that won't be very puggable for a while yet.

[green trench]

:D:D

Yeah im not doing mythic whatsoever so.. D:

[icy haven]

how about an LFR brand, that is better than heroic track dungeon trinkets?

[high latch]

Then you gucci.

[mellow yoke]

do it with the big pack on the right

[jagged pier]

probably yer but, u would have to check

[high latch]

I know that champ Brand is still really good, but not sure about vet. You'd have to sim it.

[jagged pier]

like at 15 stacks it just does so much damage

and outside of pacemaker dungeon trinkets arent really that hot

tome is for ST damage

[round pendant]

that's an interesting ui

interesting (derogatory)

[high latch]

Kinda similar to what I had as an ele shammy in S1. My UI now is more normal though.

[round pendant]

I'm kidding

I never use columns of icons

unless it's like util that only shows when it's on cd

[shrewd lake]

No, it stays that way I'm not a big fan of icons moving around all the time

It's helped my mental space when playing fury then adapted it for prot

[round pendant]

I'm not suggesting you change anything

[chrome falcon]

i think this is a bad habit for learning but whatever works for you

[high latch]

I get it. I quite enjoyed it when I had a simliar setup.

[chrome falcon]

it's a cool ui though

[shrewd lake]

But the weakaura belongs to @iamawl

I just edited it to be vertical instead

[chrome falcon]

i will say that you don't actually need battle shout on your bars

it has no CD

[shrewd lake]

Hijack UI*

[chrome falcon]

oh unless it's lighting up when it's down

[shrewd lake]

Yea

[round pendant]

I have a raid buff tracker that's separate to my class WAs

and a kick tracker

so I never need those on my class WAs

[shrewd lake]

I will eventually get it back to basics. I am just using what I can to teach myself the class better.

[harsh trellis]

I really dont like that Ui

[round pendant]

yeah I mean it's good enough, has everything you need

assuming it tracks outburst too

[orchid narwhal]

Well the UI itself isn't bad, the issue is that you can't see the sides of your character, which probably doesn't matter on fury cuz you're not responsible for a lot of things, but generally you wanna have your middle space a bit clearer to see things

[shrewd lake]

I like it better than looking down all the time

[high latch]

I don't think it blocks so much it's likely to cause problems, but it can happen.

[orchid narwhal]

Other than that, if it works for you, its a cool setup and play it until you're ready for it to be changed if it doesn't work

Lots of WoW players have weird quirks and UI is probably the least of those concerns

[shrewd lake]

It really doesn't block much

[orchid narwhal]

It doesn't blokc much until it does kinda deal

Only takes one thing you didn't see coming to kill your group sometimes

[round pendant]

I just thought it was an interesting layout that I would never ever use personally

it's cute

[high latch]

Sometimes you can just get unlucky and have that one tiny mechanic appear exactly under a UI element

[shrewd lake]

That's all I like to hear!

Different is good, sometimes

[orchid narwhal]

Yea, it won't be a worry, just keep it in mind as you get more comfortable

[round pendant]

things can't hide under this

[warm plinth]

that's so cursed lol

[orchid narwhal]

What the HELLLLL is that

laughing

[chrome falcon]

looks like a disc ui

[orchid narwhal]

yeah i thought this read

[chrome falcon]

they're always completely cooked

[orchid narwhal]

power word shield

mindbender

penance

[round pendant]

yeah it is disc

[high latch]

Well you haven't seen my ||parse|| yet

[orchid narwhal]

oh thank god LOL i thought i was tweaking

[chrome falcon]

i have never seen a disc UI that looked usable by a normal person

but disc players tend to be some of the better players in the community so 🤐

[round pendant]

I think my normal one is completely usable

[jagged pier]

bis disc ui

[round pendant]

lmao

[chrome falcon]

dude we need more uis like this

[high latch]

Took me a solid 5 seconds to see the giant fucking pony..

[shrewd lake]

Thank you. I love editing/creating weakauras

[chrome falcon]

i hate how boring and clean and clinical UIs are now

[high latch]

Maybe I need glasses.

[chrome falcon]

we need fucking stupid fonts

and minimaps with weird borders

[round pendant]

yeah bring back 2008

[chrome falcon]

iconic shit

[jagged pier]

we gunna get less next expansion, as they getting rid of shit like that

[harsh trellis]

I just like the plain old default ui

[chrome falcon]

DKs tracking their runes on a frostmourne jpg

[round pendant]

but they are just less good than modern uis so

[orchid narwhal]

Theres that max video where he ratescursed uis

those are fun to watch

[jagged pier]

nah that disc ui hoenstly tracks everything it needs too, apprently it was really good if u knew how it worked for disc

[high latch]

Blizz's new name plates look surprisingly good tbh. If they allow coloring based on mob type like casters I'd happily use that.

To be clear, the new iteration they have showed off recently for Midnight.

But until then they can pry my addons from my cold dead hands

[jagged pier]

its coming

dont worry

they gunna be prying

[high latch]

I will just (not) quit at that point and write a (not very) polite message on their forums and reddit

[jagged pier]

at least weak auras are safe for now, its boss mods i believe next. and ppl will be madge because well dbm and bigwigs told me x y and z when really blizz doesnt wantt u knowing that

so theirs wont show it

[high latch]

I truly don't mind their idea of replacing "mandatory" addons with ingame options, but I have 0 confidence in Blizzards ability to do so.

[jagged pier]

well the first iteration of them will be bad

but they will get better

[shrewd lake]

The future nameplates look really good

[jagged pier]

for instance the tracker one is becoming customisable

not sure why it wasnt in the first place

[high latch]

As long as they allow the addons until their own solution is good enough, that's fine.

[jagged pier]

but it is becoming it

[high latch]

What I would hate is if they kill our addons before their own options are decent.

[orchid narwhal]

^

I think thats my important thing, until it makes sense to swap over, I don't want to be forced to

[jagged pier]

u might have to live with that fact

[orchid narwhal]

I think UI is one of those things about WoW that makes it more enjoyable, and its customization

[high latch]

Yeah... The reality is that what I think means nothing to them and we'll just have to wait and see.

[deft vessel]

do we know when the delve belt is being nerfed? Blizz announced 20% nerf but I don't know when it's happening

[jagged pier]

i mean it doesnt matter anyway

u want to craft a belt for emblishment

and that repalces it anyways

hero belt probably better tbh

[deft vessel]

I mean, fair, but at my (low) item level it still makes sense according to sims xD

[jagged pier]

but that would be a sim

[deft vessel]

I just made a 720 shield, can't make another 720 piece yet, so max i can do for a belt craft would be 704

[jagged pier]

yer thats fair

[deft vessel]

and 704 crafted belt (with embelishment) surely isn't better than the 701 delve belt with haste

until it gets nerfed I assume

[jagged pier]

sim

i wouldnt think so tho

[deft vessel]

yeah no, right now with weekly profile it's not

[chrome falcon]

just wear 704 crafted embellish and stop worrying about this stupid cringe item

that's what i did

fuck these gimmick items

[deft vessel]

lol, totally valid xD

[chrome falcon]

[deft vessel]

unrelated question - is there any situation in which I run both thunderous roar and spear, I'm half tempted to macro it so it's whichever ability on the same button

[jagged pier]

no

u wont ever run them together

[deft vessel]

avatar too stronk

fair

thanks

[round pendant]

wish we'd get more of that

I only use bigwigs for timers and the little sounds it makes

[jagged pier]

i can rate your cursed uis for free

[round pendant]

so I'm happy with them removing all of that if they replace timers (which they are)

I just want to be able to customise how my ui looks, where the trackers are and what style of tracker it is (bar vs icon, etc)

[deep iris]

Whelp, we're officially on to run 50 for Tome in Priory.

[round pendant]

and ig caster/prio/etc mob colours in m+

[round pendant]

[jagged pier]

and i thought 41 was too much

[frosty mango]

just had a tank with zero kicks

entire key

[frosty mango]

can you rate mine

[deft vessel]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar; [@cursor] Champion's Spear

this should work well I suppose

[jagged pier]

if u want

[frosty mango]

how many jakeys/10 do I get

im hoping for at least 5

[jagged pier]

have to see it in combat

but im not a fan of side bars

and do u need to track these?

[frosty mango]

no but my screen is massive so I just leave them there OOC

[jagged pier]

it alright ill give it a 7

[frosty mango]

we take it

[jagged pier]

and i have give mine literally like a 3 out of 10 its aweful

but it works for me

literally no think only spaghet

ignore the horrendous tank aura on the left thats gone, i fucking hate northen sky tank aura

i just delete them now

[high latch]

That is definitely one of the UIs of all time

[jagged pier]

i know

25 years of the same ui i know where it all goes

cant change now

i also run with as few addons as possible

[high latch]

I respect that. My polar opposite.

[jagged pier]

the default frames for raid and player and boss

just bar tender, TMW for ui mostly

[high latch]

I had a period I tried to go as clean as possible in terms of addons, but I needed my fix

[round pendant]

I'm disowning you

[jagged pier]

my tell me whens will go when the cooldown thing is better

[round pendant]

I should post my ui

[jagged pier]

i cant review uis without showing mine, but i already know mine is bad

it literally only works for me

just a bit of fun anyways

[tight mural]

What's the raid marker add on?

[jagged pier]

thats a solid 8-9 imo

unbound extra action button tho

[round pendant]

it's bound, that's the weird follower dungeon thing

it's on V

[mellow yoke]

take a wild guess ass UI

[high latch]

A fellow Jundies enjoyer 🥂

[jagged pier]

nice and clean ui

[round pendant]

idk why so many of the nameplates are overlapping with the buffs tho

that doesn't happen in m+

[olive kettle]

missing head piece and a few runed crests for the runed achievement. Any idea how to quickly do this? 😄

[round pendant]

wdym lol

[high latch]

Crafting could get you there if you have sparks to spare, but to craft head is a bit iffy. You get lots of Runes Crests quickly from delves.

Otherwise, just farm some M+ for a helmet and hope to get lucky?

[jagged pier]

you would need giled craft tho

actually no

its 704 init

[high latch]

+6s would give both runed crests and hero track item

[jagged pier]

not 710

[high latch]

Yeah, it's 704

[mellow yoke]

the hero track item would be lower ilvl though

[high latch]

Sure, but can be upgraded

[mellow yoke]

so more crests to upgrade it

[high latch]

True

But +7s and higher give gilded instead

[round pendant]

what did you mean

[mellow yoke]

where are your bars lol

[round pendant]

oh

hidden

[jagged pier]

if u know your binds

u dont need bars

nothing wrong with not having them

[mellow yoke]

gcd

[round pendant]

my WAs have swipe on them

[mellow yoke]

tracking

[full mist]

GCD would be tackle don the WAs

Tracked*

[jagged pier]

pretty sure that will show on his SS, TC and revnege icons in the middle

[round pendant]

yepge

[full mist]

I don’t play with bars either and just use WAs, much more customizable in terms of behavior, placement, icon and size