protection

[solid sun]

I forgot you could make spiders look like crabs

[jagged gust]

might be cuz of crab

dont the legs normally stick out a whole lot more

[neon elk]

Yea he has hella long legs like some model girl

[jagged gust]

My pronoun is he, because I'll never be him 😔

https://tenor.com/view/spider-walking-gif-18019759

[chrome falcon]

my point is that they definitely have nerfs in the pipeline as well

they just posted the buffs first

[lusty grotto]

dont think its gonna happen

[chrome falcon]

yeah this is the correct boss hitbox

[lusty grotto]

like in s2

[chrome falcon]

the crab model is significantly small

[lusty grotto]

but ill be ready to eat my words

[obtuse egret]

thats exactly what im saying too

[neon elk]

Hush with your nerfs

[pallid quiver]

inb4 buffs

[raw parcel]

Guys, we gotta be cringe and shut down the Discord and demand buffs.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/boomkins-buffed-without-closing-class-discord-upcoming-class-tuning-378433

Oh, shit, I misread that. XD

Nevermind. I lied, carry on. We don't need to be cringe.

[sudden lynx]

What the fuck is wrong with you that you see someone using arachnophobia mode and think to post a big gif of a spider

[lusty grotto]

holy

calm down bud

in case you were not aware, most people turned it on in S1 cause it improved FPS on broodtwister

not because they are arachnophobic

[raw parcel]

No reason to fear spooders, they're just harmless little guys. Snakes, on the other hand... those'll kill you.

[neon elk]

Not like there arent spiders that will kill you

But even a noodle can be cute

[sudden lynx]

I use it because I am horribly arachnophobic

[lusty grotto]

welcome to the internet

[sudden lynx]

It's one thing if there's no context

But its right after

[sudden lynx]

Christ

[lusty grotto]

how did you even play WoW before it was a thing?

[sudden lynx]

I basically didnt

[lunar flare]

Born too late to explore the earth, born just in time to see prot warrior discord spider gif drama

What a time to be alive

[sudden lynx]

💀 Not exactly what I expected either

[neon elk]

Kinda curious if u react like that every time u see a spider on internet or in a movie or whatnot

[solid sun]

A long time ago, I would have responded to this by posting a spider gif

Growth

[neon elk]

Do it

[sudden lynx]

Not so aggressively I suppose? There's a bunch in fantasy media like lotr, harry potter, skyrim etc., so it can be very hard to predict these things -- in cases like this, however, it's so clearly deliberate that it really rubbed me the wrong way

[mighty valley]

it was probably more thoughtless than deliberate but

phobias are real folks, do yer best

[lusty grotto]

nobody is disputing it aint

[sudden lynx]

This could be true

[fathom oasis]

kinda late to the party, but

shadowlands general movement between zones SUCKED

what's that you want to fly from one zone to another? too bad

want to use a flight path? enjoy this long ass animation... TWICE

[mighty valley]

perfect beer getting time

[sudden lynx]

I kinda didnt mind it

[sudden lynx]

For exactly this reason

[lunar flare]

I mean I get that they have to be separate from a thematic standpoint but gameplay wise it sucked yeah

[lusty grotto]

SL sucked period, end of topic, lets move on

[fathom oasis]

you can also use TP from your home thingy, but you need to grind some shitty ass building that requires weekly visits to the MAW, probably the worst zone ever implemented

[gentle oracle]

15 minute CD Shadowlands Wormhole on Engineer felt like a godsend

[lunar flare]

Really liked Shadowlands but I got into the game around 9.1.5 so that’s when things started getting better

[neon elk]

I kinda wish we would get another bfa last season, let me be stupid strong with coruption i wanna see the laser go brrrrr

[lusty grotto]

thats too bad

[fathom oasis]

raids were fine? ofc raids were fine, turns out blizzard is pretty good about making raids

[lusty grotto]

you joined on the worst expansion ever in WoW

jesus this is every single SL discussion ever

[fathom oasis]

castle of nathria had some insane vibes

what with batman being the villain and all

[lunar flare]

I preferred it over dragonflight tbh

[lusty grotto]

"banner was goated" (this is true) "raids were fine" "CN was thematically awesome"

expansion still fucking sucked

ty APB for bringing the topic back once again

[fathom oasis]

traversing the world was garbage

[lunar flare]

Reee stop talking about something I don’t like

[lusty grotto]

that aint it

[lunar flare]

Sounds it buddy

[lusty grotto]

search the channel

for SL discussion

[sudden lynx]

Oh hey kinda same, I dont remember exactly what patch it was but I started playing in season 3 of SL I think

[lusty grotto]

and it'll be the same shit every single time

[lunar flare]

Yeah I enjoyed 9.2 and Season 3 a lot! Encrypted was a fun affix

[neon elk]

The expansion sucked tho

[sudden lynx]

I didnt actually play any m+ until like lateeee season 4 hahahh, I STARTED started in s3

Like, lv1 started

[neon elk]

Especialy the early phases , like covenants and their swaping cuz one was good for raid other for m+ etc , then kegendaries and mandatory thorgast , and dont even get me started about maw ..

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-mike-tyson-gif-13249709

[jagged gust]

Someone wrote a 3000 word essay as a comment describing why SL was actually a great xpac on reddit like a month or two ago

[lunar flare]

Yeah idk what they were smoking when they made the maw

[sudden lynx]

I dont think I ever finished Thorgast

Can you finish Thorgast

[neon elk]

Ofc

[lunar flare]

The jailer whispers u and says “thanks for playing my game”

[jagged gust]

My reply unfortunately got me banned from the sub

[lusty grotto]

vivid example of loud minority, such as apb and THD

[sudden lynx]

Thats kinda sick

[lunar flare]

I have fond memories of it overall, I found DF to be fairly mid in comparison

[sudden lynx]

DF definitely felt like they were taking zERO risks lol

[lunar flare]

Yea I guess it was the big reset for Blizzard so kind of had to be

[sudden lynx]

Kind of a cozy but bland story

[lunar flare]

Yeah very Saturday morning kids cartoon energy

[sudden lynx]

Also makes sense that its the new leveling experience

[lunar flare]

Never forget afflicted and incorporeal

What horrible affixes

[neon elk]

I kinda miss affixes , i like every week is equal now , but it feels kinda dull

[lunar flare]

Don’t say that, they’ll bring back thundering and then add spread mechanics to every boss

[neon elk]

Yea forget about that one xd

But reaping was goated

[lunar flare]

That sounds before my time

Was it a BFA thing?

Kinda wish I was around for Legion, seems that was peak wow for a lot of people

[lusty grotto]

late legion

to be specific

legion in general was a good exp, but nothing is without flaws

[warm plinth]

What was late legion

[lunar flare]

Your mum

[lusty grotto]

the good part

[warm plinth]

Oh i enjoyed all of legion though i didn't come back til right before end of s1

[lusty grotto]

sure

[silk ether]

Thundering affix love

Tank gets stunned because frontal prevented teaming up until they stopped tanks from getting it

[lusty grotto]

no DF affix compares to ghunites

not even fucking close

[silk ether]

Compared to the bis seasonal affixes of SL (encrypted, vampiric thing, prideful)

Goated xpac

[lusty grotto]

garbage xpac

[fathom oasis]

awful lore

the most important part

:^)

[mighty valley]

tww story worse

[lusty grotto]

hard disagree

tww story fizzled is the only problem

[mighty valley]

it’s so disjointed

[lusty grotto]

it was a strong as fuck start

if they kept it up

[mighty valley]

it started strong and then everything just hard shifted to something that didn’t matter

[lusty grotto]

yeah but to be fair it happens to every expansion

[mighty valley]

like the big arc story and the zone stories were written on different continents and had to be mashed together

[lusty grotto]

the problem is most expansions have a very weak start to begin with

[mighty valley]

also alleria and xalatath suck, they should kill each other and disappear

[past shuttle]

So does Warrior Spell Block when Shiled Block is active or only when Spell Reflection is active?

[lusty grotto]

spell block?

[mighty valley]

easy! spell block no longer exists

[lusty grotto]

lol

are you stuck last season?

[past shuttle]

So for Blazing Strike in Potsf, the cheat sheet says you can spell block the inital hit. how does one do that

[mighty valley]

That was true last season and isn’t any more

You can reduce it with normal %damage reduction

Including spell reflection

Wait the sheet doesn’t have a column for spell block any more

[past shuttle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq00IFaBrCk5Eagz2Jeoox7D7Rk3XwXMINbh4lUg9Vr-3RgoB2/pubhtml#gid=1314087103

the comment next to blazing strike says " Initial hit is spell blockable, the follow-up dot is not"

but i guess that is just a tiny error, which makes sense if it has all been removed

[lusty grotto]

oh

its probably something sense forgot to remove

nothing is spell blockable there anymore

@shut summit small correction

[past shuttle]

cool cool, btw @shut summit you are such a dream boat doing all this hard work for us lazy plebs. thank you so much!

[shut summit]

👍

[deep iris]

Nim, I'm catching up to your 49 runs for Tome. I'm about to do run #45.

[lusty grotto]

damn

[deep iris]

I'm tracking drops, since it's interesting to me so far

Sanctified Priory Wall: 3
Bloodstained Memento: 3
Reanimator's Pyreforged Shoulders: 3
Flameforged Armguard: 1
Devoted Plate Walkers: 4
Radiant Necromancer's Band: 2
Signet of the Priory: 0
Tome of Light's Devotion: 0

Runs: 44

[lusty grotto]

i never saw bracers this season

the rest i saw quite a bit

surprised you havent seen signets

i just gave em out

on both seasons

shoulders and shield were by far the most common this season for me

[deep iris]

I just know I'm going to get hero drop, then myth in vault this week

To spite me

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt doubt it

or i wouldnt be surprised, i would say

but that wont be a bad thing tbh

[deep iris]

Everything else is pretty good on gear, so not much else I need right now

So fingers crossed!

[fathom oasis]

what + do you do them on?

[deep iris]

6-7

[fathom oasis]

i like to vary between 6-10

keep it spicy

[deep iris]

I prefer 6, but will go up to 7 or 8 if I have to

[fathom oasis]

6 feels ideal

10s have been much better than 8s for me

specially at the beginning of the week

those first few runs are heavily stacked

[deep iris]

Oh that's a good call

[round pendant]

do not ask what I am doing

[bleak parcel]

We survived another week of tuning lff

[round pendant]

@lusty grotto aren't you a disc enjoyer?

[round pendant]

why wouldn't we

we're perfectly balanced

[lusty grotto]

a what

if you mean disc priest

not this season

[round pendant]

do you like my WA for it

[neon elk]

My bad 21 times, damn

[round pendant]

(I can't figure out how to display premonitions nicely so it's not on there yet)

[lusty grotto]

i think it looks good, but i wouldnt use it, im a visual guy

i need icons

[round pendant]

yeah I'm just bored out of my mind

[bleak parcel]

Cause when were strong in raid we usually get destroyed in response

[round pendant]

this is my normal

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

mind blast 😔

[neon elk]

Similar..

[round pendant]

I gotta set up a monospace font though

I've never seen anyone with a no-icons/textures UI

Probably for a good reason but good lord I'm going to try

[soft plume]

do we still need WA to track IP and shield block

[lusty grotto]

we never needed one to track IP

but SB sure

[orchid sleet]

anyone knwo if the dmg on this is any good?

[lusty grotto]

its decent

[orchid sleet]

over sac brood or tome?

[lusty grotto]

not even close

[orchid sleet]

L trinket

[toxic pewter]

U guys gonna play a hananir warr

Haranir

[frosty mango]

Man I’d die

With those tiny ass icons

[trim hinge]

what's more dps these days - Colossus or Thane?

it feels about the same with both when i play with a slight edge to solossus in burst

wondering if y'all had thoughts or suggestions

[lusty grotto]

4pc = thane

no 4pc = colossus

if youre doing the same damage as colossus with thane.... youre doing something very wrong as thane

with 4pc, that is

[tawny ice]

well raid went much better tonight - the amount of times I was missing revenge by using hero instead of hekili was HUGE

[frosty mango]

Wouldn’t recommend Hekili for prot

It’s a very good tool for some classes but for high apm classes it tends to not update fast enough

[lusty grotto]

likewise i dont recommend using it to play, use it to learn the class, but disable it as soon as possible

you should be able to move past the stage where you need it

[bleak parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1170561160848867389/1413750475525853255/image.png?ex=68bd113b&is=68bbbfbb&hm=9b2c79848d739504963e255c093f90c85b905c96e8509f3a07532795cd259dde&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

I got brand lets gooo

[lusty grotto]

show message you coward

[bleak parcel]

no its funnier

[lime spruce]

hey does anyone here have access to summoning the Kyrian rares for the shield transmog

[frosty mango]

Prot especially it tends to miss thunder blast resets and imo will hurt your dps more than it helps it

It also doesn’t do well with outburst

Because rage expenditure is unpredictable

Gets me orange parses on windwalker though

[main thistle]

guys if i use the single-button rotation assist just as a big button that i dont press just looking what it suggests i use as a skill next do i get the gcd debuff?

[frosty mango]

It has a delay built into it

[main thistle]

which only pops up when i use the button not when it is visible in my action bar?

[frosty mango]

Yes, but it doesn’t work well for tanks anyways

[main thistle]

yeah i know

[slender bison]

What's yall Ara Kara depletion rate?

[main thistle]

but its fine i use all the buttons it does not include manually and watch the rotation assist because it is strong when all the other stuff is on cd

[frosty mango]

One of my easier keys

[torpid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/whoop-gif-25972391

[frosty mango]

Grats

[fossil horizon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9VVrfXTFNJwtSQ8svK7UEG
why is tome outsimmed by literally everything else?

[frosty mango]

Because you’re simming 5 targets for 6 minutes

Which is a scenario that will never happen

In reality

[fossil horizon]

ok I got it thats a st trinket

[fossil horizon]

dont really buy that argument

[rough egret]

Grats 🙂 your friend till end of tww 😄

[frosty mango]

When will you be fighting 5 targets for 6 minutes straight

Please tell me lol

[fossil horizon]

in dornogal

can we get to the point

[rough egret]

U use tome for ST dmg mainly

U need that portion in m+ aswell not only in raid.

[fossil horizon]

thats a decision for me to make, I just thought that tome was strong in every scenario

[frosty mango]

I mean sims are representations of in game scenarios

If you sim a scenario that can’t happen then the results are functionally useless

That’s my point

[fossil horizon]

I disagree, sims are merely numerical representations

[rough egret]

Technically in aoe the crit buff gives parry and you are tankier

[frosty mango]

Ok well then you go rip apart the apl and figure out why tome is bad in your sim

Gl with that

[fossil horizon]

nah bro Im immortal

[rough egret]

Tell me you play without shiled spec aswell

[fossil horizon]

I just simmed single targetr and already got my answer

[fossil horizon]

I dont know what that means

[rough egret]

There is a talent in your spec tree, that increase your block chance and block value

[fossil horizon]

yes I have it unspecced

[sick merlin]

Ask a question in disc, get an answer, don’t like answer, “I already know the answer”

[rough egret]

Alright you are immortal

[sick merlin]

[fossil horizon]

are people obliged to like every answer?

[sick merlin]

[fossil horizon]

[grim furnace]

is this a decent stat spread or should i sacrifice haste/mastery to boost my crit?

[neon elk]

From spider phobia drama to immortal sim prophet in few hours , this server is main reason why i pay for internet

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing as a decent stat spread, sim for reference

and wear as much haste as you need to maintian SB up with ITF (past 21k which is the minimum rating you need to use ITF)

i dont know what scenario exists that has constant 6 min aoe but

🤷‍♂️

[frosty mango]

he disagrees

[lusty grotto]

thats a whole 8 avatars

and 4 90s trinket uses

damn, if that scenario exists i wanna stay the fuck away from it in keys

[grim furnace]

chain pull the entire dungeon

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

[frosty mango]

i mean he was simming target dummies

[fossil horizon]

wrong, I disagree with that being a point of not simming 6 mins

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/zargoth-gif-15673802963682771818

[frosty mango]

ok so first off

youre simming dummies

second

you simmed with lust and skyfury

third a dummy is not a mob

so patchwerk does not align with that

[fossil horizon]

your argument is that 6 mins 5 target is not realistic and thus should not be simmed. I dont see any connection here

[lusty grotto]

but its not realistic

thats what i just said

[frosty mango]

i already said that

[lusty grotto]

in case the sarcasm wasnt evident

[torpid dome]

yeah only upgrade for me will be to heroic lmao

[frosty mango]

he rejects our reality

[fossil horizon]

which reality exactly? I could easily argue that every raidobts option isn't fully realistic

[rough egret]

Same for me, have mine since first week, never saw hc drop 😄

[frosty mango]

if you wanna sim target dummies then you sim target dummy not patchwerk

you asked why tome was not higher

i answered

you didnt like the answer

that doesnt make the answer less correct

[lusty grotto]

if that is your logic then why make it even MORE unrealistic by putting in a scenario that just doesnt happen?

[torpid dome]

you take tome for prio damage as well, not only st dmg

[sick merlin]

It’s not unrealistic enough

Let’s keep going

[torpid dome]

most packs have like 1 or 2 mobs that need to die faster, thats what tome is good for

[lusty grotto]

yeah just make it 10x times more unrealistic

[fossil horizon]

I dont need any logic because I dont have a point, I only had a question

[sick merlin]

[frosty mango]

god help us

[lusty grotto]

hes basically just saying "im just trolling, lul"

[frosty mango]

every day I feel more and more like idiocracy was a documentary from a time traveler

Sataman, brought to us by Carls Jr.

[fossil horizon]

your argument is bad

[lusty grotto]

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho is the best president ever

[fossil horizon]

because there is no inherent connection between realistic situations and what should be simmed

every trinket has equal environment

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

this guy is just a troll

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[lusty grotto]

just ignore him i guess

[fossil horizon]

yes throw more gifs

[lusty grotto]

so anyway

Ukraine rules

fuck anyone trying to invade them

[fossil horizon]

debates arent your strong side my dudes that for sure

[lusty grotto]

youre not debating

youre spluttering nonsense

i can do the same

[fossil horizon]

which part is nonsense

[lusty grotto]

look

dhjaiouhdowiahjdoiajda

[sick merlin]

“I don’t have a point” but damn sure am winning this debate

😎

[fossil horizon]

ok technically my point is that your point is bad

[frosty mango]

I mean tbf it works for most politicians

[fossil horizon]

but tell me which part exacly was nonsense

[lusty grotto]

i sure hope people dont train in simulations because they obviously have no inherent connections between realistic scenarios

just send pilots in real planes

ez

[fossil horizon]

your analogy sucks

[frosty mango]

ur mom

ooooh gottem

[fossil horizon]

you are comparing fucking raidbots with some multi billion dollar programs

[sick merlin]

It’s just a numerical representation

[lusty grotto]

indeed i am

[frosty mango]

ok so first
raidbots is not simcraft, they are not the same thing

[fossil horizon]

dont care

[frosty mango]

they are related tools

second

[tame jasper]

Who knows it raidbots isn't ia multi billion dollar programm with all the paying users 😄 😄 😄 😄

[lusty grotto]

"simulations arent real" - im 15 and im smart

[frosty mango]

you obviously have NO idea the level of effort that goes into a tool like simcraft which is probably MORE refined and well coded than half of those billion dollar programs

[sick merlin]

I thought we were all just using the same shared account for raid bots

[frosty mango]

shh

[fossil horizon]

that's was very clever to completely ignore that

now I'm being trolled

[lusty grotto]

oh we're addressing it

[rough egret]

Can I get the acc too? 😄

[lusty grotto]

i have been after all this time

[frosty mango]

I wish raidbots let us host our own runners

like just give me the software

let me run my own

[tame jasper]

That's not how "give me your data" works nowadays 🙈

[fossil horizon]

can you do that without analogies? My messages are like 3 scrolls up

not hard to show me nonsenical ones

[fossil horizon]

thats your message

is that nonsense?

[frosty mango]

His scenario isn’t unrealistic

He can’t get invited to groups so he spends all his time beating on target dummies in dornogal

I pity him really

[fossil horizon]

why would you think that

[lusty grotto]

is it?

[frosty mango]

That’s what you’re simming

Said it yourself!

[lusty grotto]

can you explain why its nonsense?

[fossil horizon]

I dont want to assess anyone messages in terms of nonsense

thats like dumb

[lusty grotto]

if you want us to debate with you at least put in some effort to do it as well

ok then we post gifs

https://tenor.com/view/jason-momoa-jason-momoa-angelwoodgett-gif-18117384

[fossil horizon]

you are a legit troll. Call my messages as nonsense, then proceed to not point at least 1 as an example

and now talking to me about effort

[lusty grotto]

you just said my message was nonsense

[fossil horizon]

I didn't

ok peace out

[lusty grotto]

??

what we have here is failure to communicate

where's axl rose

[sick merlin]

He lived the same way he simmed, crazy in, crazy out

[lusty grotto]

now that was a good ole alavisto for sure

fits the bill

downright to the cyrillic

[frosty mango]

It’s like a movie

The return of roidstack

[rough egret]

Chill he is immortal

[lusty grotto]

"im right and youre all wrong, lalalalalalala"

"why are you making fun of me with gifs"

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

i wonder where our golden friend is now

that was a fun one

[frosty mango]

In other news

I had to play gross fury for alt mythic

That was unfun

Plz fix arms blizz

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

its kinda growing on me

but i do miss arms for sure

[fossil horizon]

Btw there is a bunch of countries that speak russian and don’t care about ukraine, but you stay in that tiny bubble of yours

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ginger-root-hook-dance-fishing-mahjong-room-gif-25514520

[grim furnace]

i love bubbles!

[jagged gust]

I always have the urge to reply to this gif with the convo from the beginning of the vid

[sick merlin]

Couldn’t help himself lol

[slow viper]

what is the best item to craft first? shield?

[lusty grotto]

yup

unless you have access to a myth drop

[frosty mango]

Like Russia?

[torpid dome]

I mean, the russian speaking countries either mostly need to look very closely at Ukraine, either because they support Russia, or oppose Russia. If they are not looking at Ukrainr, they havent been paying attention when Puta said he wanted bring back the glory days of the SU

[jagged pier]

was someone trying to argue dummy testing is more accurate, when sim craft is jjust dummy testing but millions more iterations?

[jagged pier]

stop this now

we are not continuing that part

at all

this is not the forum for it

[frosty mango]

I’m not really sure what he was arguing tbh

He was simming patchwerk 5t 6m, I said that’s not realistic, he said sims aren’t meant to represent reality, it went downhill from there 🤷

[jagged pier]

when are u ever fighting 5 targets for 6 minutes straight?

[pallid quiver]

when the rest of the party stands in swirlies in M+

[frosty mango]

That’s literally exactly what I said lol

[pallid quiver]

quite a realistic scenario tbh

[jagged pier]

i mean ive usually killed the targets by then

[torpid dome]

Sounds like the average pug experience

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

listen, boss, I was 680 still at the start of this week

Going into +12s, packs live a hot minute if I'm solo

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

and no 4p

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

Woah yer gonna need to slow down there boss

[pallid quiver]

luckily, i got 4p at like 698? ilvl now

[lunar flare]

Another stellar morning read

You guys covered quite a lot of ground in like

Just two hours

It’s like Dawsons Creek in here sometimes

[cerulean tusk]

I won't read it, all ya need to know is that the Rat in a Hat was wrong, and Roid prob did some gaslighting

Jakey prob added some: Truuuue's

I know how it is by now

[blazing ridge]

Good thing is now we don't need to recommend simming because it's not realistic anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Haste->whatever stats, follow this till you vibe and gameplay flows

No sims needed

[oak ivy]

On the spell reflect spreadsheet, what does "deflect" entail? you take no damage but also don't deal it back?

[strong forum]

correct

[oak ivy]

o7 thank you

[spring mist]

hate timewalking, shammy uses greater elemental to taunt the boss to keep standing in the lava in blackrock caverns

[karmic stream]

where do u guys get routes (15+ range)

[mellow yoke]

either make my own or use kira's

[cerulean tusk]

Play Pwarrior they said

it will be fun they said

little did they talk about

https://tenor.com/view/mad-mad-cat-angry-cat-cat-cat-meme-gif-6241738800057917520

[mellow yoke]

that's durability?

[cerulean tusk]

[mellow yoke]

That's any tank

Had the same problem with Paladin

[sudden canyon]

I’m playing warrior by like 3/4 days is it normal that I have some times when shield slam and thunder clap in cd, and you don’t have rage to waste on revenge, here what you do? Just auto attack?

[jagged pier]

your overspending on ip

[karmic stream]

where u find kira's?

[mellow yoke]

HC patreon sub

or T3 twitch i think

not sure

[karmic stream]

tnx man

[blazing ridge]

Or watch his high key runs and take note of which packs he pulls

[lime urchin]

for your average M+ W-route rage wastin' pug enjoyer, do I just run sims as 1.5 mins patchwork on 5 enemies?

[abstract siren]

Hey guys what's the best way to track Tome of Light and what mode it's currently in?

[cerulean tusk]

I just made a WA that shows when it can be pressed and isnt in sword phase - a simple conditional

Dont need to know anything else

[abstract siren]

Do you mind sharing the wa?

[cerulean tusk]

!WA:2!1v1YoUrXA44yuIWeeZyGOjxuWjcIsqIHWiMie7CpXozoYX20Udtyv3v3vzxfPDvfvv9y7SdVaLDims8ayXoUSWpc(jOL1rNhGzX5byEc4V6U9m5cJx0U()R)7x(QsnRoSkUk(f3zolsW7jsurKRFUfi83NOne8JrJp)Pem(5vt60VVMykTaXJOcvxbJBc3RrBVgURIeIySyeV3iMKeSCnzd8ac1XA)GPgfBWaIsFJBRko()CmtKexuIcTZm7xoAirFv5g7Z5evnxIMfZi8iIcmvhE8KaxYHeWPpIGIn0J0jHz0DvK(SXU962OvR5jCMPXyM2OpvGEj9bbw4Vx9EE(98Q76nvljXX7J1vCZCAfhREHYy0eIA1qKjIs09OIrD4l1z)vpYWoKOs0K2GcbZXKqWQEqcOEuJwDB(KwZs4fjwLBN(o)u6hLwl9somdz4QbeiHyr5gCrUbDji8KP2RTgCRYp9Vwcg3FnJa5MwYxrZG0nLBTxrTTwxLyGIO11UZ(Go3n9QPxl9MvKBIYIuV8q5Xcm5pp3XqRIO4O4VfAamb)po(zeISoueImUidtqNH4SH2t877QniLPje7CbNSKG0KEgfHpWqV4km0MSs5BBDknbATy9uRm2sr62odrmoOB62PF(ftVx6xKUt62H9zCMM(6SHAOgzSgKqNd9kxYaWY6V(YPxAfqgIIE2aLiHJFX1K30qgB8Z(0xOGi1x6Bydj(sfjIzZPYYR8gYOloKU9StU7wFIuUrgLMIGc5EIyH6)uQuPYhLZLe3pB22P(t86iF)mMOeJWwEIoGHnuN6a5X5oInMGZy(JRY3l(UI1KLz3B3Fy9NKEH5kHbsupGPt7oTBi)4ZkJIjdqrt87hlekQ8UNLy4jWKllY3qHHakmtmj9skOSzfvw7S0AOa7Bl4bZZUmkl5ld)Mvim3i3OPI98AFtccdsIQ55jR(s1RNwKFVcZ1jT8gNLJZPkTk7Qrcf(afso9GIdRoX7zBuDEIxR9B3iVeEi0EdJHfI3S)29K(7Y8IVV025KBUF72nC9D64515XU7)Wh5DQd6XEo5kf9QtYLR8Ve25hCTrp()VAqSyutf5hsaaPjDFR7T9o7MxVTxS0(5bfRgLNAPS5XQWeJrW7a4gaWYCl7wz7rF4c751fTzwI9oTtyj7fHIjLDShPz(2JYIEghw3lNP76i3Iz8W1QtZuTfdeBZmV5aLxIIgsjSbudYjwGW)2rrXiT2hXX(waGBhQz8bXKF)9ChMeBy3)xd(5GFji0aba3C5u(L3Q043nWntlGSYClUu(T0Jxdzbfga5hhS4LiUQfutw1kYR6sQJ9R1woAOBypi3aeREXZnzV(qFDwmoDUkdIidQ5TDrXskQ8StwytVW01p8eOSOGayY9t)Skoa6JPs6xwX90X9vWgnma0rMjvf5hSwt7c6dyAemXHP7KWWlgT7oh8v7IJN0mCUreDyoe6wL(7X3cUThLrIX18edjhNpu1ubW32qmS3EUnA0ErFldacfwMk7oYIvGYQkRrYbmAx7kziaM2NnOIIXTobE585cXWshjla6ZFJ(tV(5o)ClSllp0xW45tQavf14I5IQ6WD3EhykT6H)3N(p)

Should be it

[still crown]

I wish they had a better way of sharing weakauras

[vital vale]

ok so ive got too many trinkets and i never know which ones to go with. The ones on the bottom row im pretty sure i never need to use (I only tank dungeons)
sacbrood just builds too slowly imo.

The ones on the right are trinkets i feel i should use when the dungeon has a pull with a real risk of death.

sims tell me to use essence gorger and brand of ceaseless ire, but sims dont really portray a good dungeon environment.

i also played around with netherprism but it just feels bad to me, its giving around 9-12k str during avatar but 0 outside of it, while a different trinket will give me permanent 6k str which performs much better on 5x target dummies

i miss bomb suit lul

[elfin elk]

Brand is completely bananas and is always worth equipping IMO

for dungeons specifically for normal/heroic raid bosses it might not have the time to ramp that it needs

[vital vale]

i dont tank raids

only dungeons

brand seems good on details, a lot of the damage profile thanks to it, but then you lose 6k str

and some dungeons have annoying RP sections that drop it

is it still an "always equip"?

[elfin elk]

RP can be an issue but the drop off isn't that fast

and you can start RP early while still in combat to alleviate it like in Streets

[vital vale]

what about the second slot, what do you recommend

[elfin elk]

Depends on how comfortable you are in the key, the defensive options are pretty shit this tier but if you really want one I think mud/cheat death are the only options

otherwise I think its just tome from priory or in your case whatever sims highest

[vital vale]

need to get tome i guess

[lime urchin]

I don't understand, the sims I am doing keep on recommending mastery over crit

[jagged pier]

because u have no mastery

[lime urchin]

and I have like 6500 critical strike

I have 16500 mastery

[jagged pier]

the less of a stat u have the mor e it impacts

[lime urchin]

hm

[jagged pier]

link

[lime urchin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rJRfGpPQaDenfZrgWA2YXh

does that link work?

I see I formulated my queston wrong > I dont understand the crit-mastery recommendations, but I guess haste is no longer needed

[jagged pier]

its telling u to gem and enchant crit?

u hav 26k haste

what are u on about

u have enough haste

of coursea its going to tell u to go into other stats

u have too much haste

[lime urchin]

yes I lost my ability to read, very sorry frens

I misread

[lilac widget]

guys whats the reasoning behind mountain thane using the proc ravager and colossus using the on use one?

is it so colossus cand ecide when to get the rage?

can decide*

[jagged pier]

there isnt they both use whurlding blade

[lilac widget]

oh? i copied my builds off wowhead, and the colossus one is deffo using base ravager

ait ill swap the talent ty 🙂

[jagged pier]

@strong forum fix

[blazing ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Puo9sFxFZQtGd9yppZH1Q

I craft a Haste one for sure or? 0,3% dmg boost not worth having 1k more unbuffed haste?

[round thicket]

How do you track current mob count on a future pack ? Is it an addon ? a weak aura ? Not the actual value of dungeon but the value of each mob in the dungeon 1 by 1 ? thank you

[blazing ridge]

I have 23,5k unbuffed haste right now.

[jagged pier]

u plan so u already know

[mellow yoke]

MDT addon

[blazing ridge]

Should I just craft for more dmg? 23,5k is enough I guess or?

[mellow yoke]

to plan your route

[mellow yoke]

maybe go for 25k

[abstract siren]

cheers legend

[keen star]

do you guys think it's possible to make raidbots understand that the upgrade cost is just 15 crests and not 75

oh I've got it, I just need to generate a new 720 ilvl weapon

[cerulean tusk]

There is no such thing. HERETIC! burn the haste traitor!

[fallen marlin]

Hmmmm em i the only one who dont sim at all as tank 😅

[lime mantle]

When we reach 26k haste we should go into other stats then?
SOrry for the ping, I never heard that in any of the guides but I am unsmart 😔

[cerulean tusk]

Soon Jakey will twist your minds, saying dont take Shield Spes, and tell you to use

[rough egret]

rage dump 💯

[lime mantle]

A lot of top end players are dropping shield specialization, what is that about btw?

[mellow yoke]

it's about 4% damage reduction in the end

if ur fine in a dungeon where u dont get so much damage from melee

u can drop it to get some dmg talent

[jagged pier]

theres no damage talemt to take

[marble cipher]

Always remember that top end players play with top end groups. They know what cd's will happen on which packs and that 90% of the casts will be kicked

[lime mantle]

I assumed, that is why it bothers/confuses me as to why high end M+ players drop it

[jagged pier]

we already take the good talents

[mellow yoke]

Whirling blade, Heavy Handed, Massacre

[lime mantle]

Since it is passive DR and not "we fucked up™" DR.

[jagged pier]

we take those

[mellow yoke]

u cant take all of those at once

unless u removed all defansive talents but

[lime mantle]

(I personally dropped it for sudden death for 10s since I have enough gear to basically take zero damage in those)

[mellow yoke]

RRH is fine too

[jagged pier]

they arent dropping it for them

they drop it for EA

which does fuck all

[mellow yoke]

You should be running EA anyways

[jagged pier]

doesnt have heavy handed or whirling blade

[jagged pier]

no

if anything its the talent u drop

[mellow yoke]

we're both talking push keys here, right?

[jagged pier]

yes

it does nothing

literally nothing

it does less than shield spec

[mellow yoke]

why would u drop 5% stam and 2% haste when ur already running a lot of haste

[jagged pier]

because we already cap haste too much with stats alone

and 5% hp has never done anything for anyone

its so dumb to drop Shield spec and keep EA

dumbest shit

also running masscre and cleave execute but not heavy handed

[mellow yoke]

you know the haste from

EA doesn't count towards cap

[jagged pier]

let alone skip whirling blade

[jagged pier]

i am aware

that 2% haste ontop of the like 45-50% u already have (in combat) does nothing

comapred to 4% DR on the single point of damage u take the most in m+

[mellow yoke]

50/50 top players use EA whilst only 13/50 use Shield Spec

[mellow yoke]

Yeah but

[jagged pier]

because they copy from the top

[mellow yoke]

if that damage is not a problem

4% is not making a difference

[jagged pier]

that has happening since the begining of agrigation sites

[lime mantle]

Kira, Vince, gillick don't use it.

Labubu, Andy have EA & Shield.

This is just usual "Top players aren't metabuilders and warrior isn't particularly dependant on most talents" type stuff?

[mellow yoke]

I think everyone uses it on

HoA

cause it's a tank heavy dungeon

Shield spec

[jagged pier]

its not just 4% DR, it also allows your IP to work more on bleeds and magic damage which is what we struggle with. because melees arent eating away your IP more than they were before

[mellow yoke]

Your IP uptime is already high enough

[jagged pier]

not in high keys

[mellow yoke]

I get 92-93% uptime when im not running shield spec in push keys

[jagged pier]

and thats also not the point of IP is up, IP is just reducing less magic damage because it has to stop more blockable physical damage

but your also missing the fact that they arent taking whirling blade so missing a lot of rage generation

so they have less IP up time to begin with anyway

which 2% isnt covering

[mellow yoke]

they do take whirling blade

[jagged pier]

look again

[mellow yoke]

only dungeon I have seen people not take it is HoA

[jagged pier]

at the screenshot

[mellow yoke]

Where is it from

[jagged pier]

kira

[mellow yoke]

this build

which key

[jagged pier]

i just went to his io

[marble cipher]

Bottomline is, drop it if you like. Just don't blindly follow top players cause they might have just copied some other player without knowing why or what.
It's amazing what abysmal talent setups you can get away with if each person in the group is a baller player.
I go defensive above 12 and offensive below 12, cause I never know what groups I'll run with. And basically also because I'm no pro player myself

[mellow yoke]

Dont check his talents

on Wowhead talent calc

it's bugged

yesterday told me he isnt running disruptive shout

check his

[jagged pier]

because he probably wasnt

[mellow yoke]

vods

wdym he is not gonna run disruptive shout

[jagged pier]

why the fuck would i go to vods

[mellow yoke]

to see his talents

[jagged pier]

what a waste of my time

[mellow yoke]

at the beginning of the keys

[rough egret]

Why would you not take aoe interrupt

[jagged pier]

i duno dude it changes pure key for me

cause in some keys u dont need it

gambit for instance

not a lot of mass casts needing to be stopped

if you are in a cordinated group like he is

[mellow yoke]

thing is

you are usually not

90% of time

so u cant rely on pugs

[jagged pier]

right

so why copy kira

who has a group 100% of the time?

and make judgements based off what he does?

[mellow yoke]

AOE silence affects whole group

shield spec affects him

if you think u can handle it without shield spec

u can do it

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

yer let move the goal posts again

runshield spec dont run shield spec run disrupting dont run disrupting, i dont care u pay your sub, but just blindly following talents, and then make a case for 1 talent then the other when u agree with the choice and when u dont

it so fucking annoying

kira isnt using shiel spec so we dont need it

[sudden lynx]

Relax a little this cant be that important

[jagged pier]

well hes not running x in some dungeons

well that effects groups

so of course

blah blah blah

[sudden lynx]

Typing this much is so optional 😭

[jagged pier]

try answering the same questions 100 times a day

[solid sun]

You joining in is so optional 😭

[sudden lynx]

In the end people run what they run, lets see who gets highest gg

[jagged pier]

and the point just never get across

[sudden lynx]

He said, joining in

Xd

[solid sun]

I’ll post a spider

Idc

[sudden lynx]

Maybe pinned comment? Could be useful

[jagged pier]

u must be new

no one reads the pins

the amount of ppl that ask how tome works

and its the first fucking pin

[sudden lynx]

Right but then you can still go "check pin" and leave it at that

Compared to what we got now you see what im saying

[jagged pier]

or i dont

i see what your saying but we dont do that here

so leave or stay

up to u

[sudden lynx]

LOL

Least touchy warrior disc member

[jagged pier]

you really want me to right 100s of answers and paragraphs to fill up pins no one will read, im good

[sudden lynx]

💀💀

xd

[mellow bridge]

weakest ragebaiter of this generation

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, I managed to reignite this topic quite well, if I get to toot my own horn

[sudden lynx]

One pin = 100 pins myeees

[sudden lynx]

You did this? I didnt see the start

I feel like it keeps happening

Someone has some sub-optimal or misguided take on talents, channel is in flames 2 seconds after

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, it is just a topic that got two philosophies crashing and hard. So it is a bit special. Personally, I say play whatever you want. Personally, I say not taking shield spes is so much troll. Cause if you dont mitigate it, ya HP and shields do be absorbing it.

But then, I am a pro "just use Dstance" player

[sudden lynx]

Im also very in the "play whatever you want" camp

Not like you cant change your mind if your build stops working

[jagged pier]

Its in flames when ppl who are literally just copying the talents try and reason why they are taking them, and then dont take the answers or points given too them, and consistently keep moving the goal posts of the disscussion

[sudden lynx]

I take shield spec bc I like the DR and I dont think any other point is as good

[jagged pier]

I would have gone on to say hes wrong about hoa they dont even take it in there

[sudden lynx]

But if you dont need it to live then grab smth else, the reality is it varies

[jagged pier]

Which is what i said, compared to EA which is what they take instead of it

Its a better talent

[sudden lynx]

And will vary by key level, pull size, mobs etc

[mellow yoke]

All I said is if you can handle the damage you get whilst not running it, you can drop it for some other talent

also who is they

[sudden lynx]

This is a fine take

[sudden lynx]

Lets not get into that right now

[jagged pier]

But then i gave examples of talents they take withput shield spec

All of which they are running anyway??

So its not swapping shield spec for the ones u listes

[sudden lynx]

Ig its also like what else would you take? An execute talent maybe?

[mellow yoke]

you cant run all damage talents at once

[mellow yoke]

Whirling, Heavy Handed, Massacre

depending on what I was running beforehand

[jagged pier]

U cant cprrect which is why trying to fit an execute build into your top key push build id umb

[sudden lynx]

Look man, I dont think you'll get a better answer than "swap it out for damage if you dont need it" -- I also dont think the difference between shield spec and EA will be what kills you if you die

[jagged pier]

You ither run the execute build and drop (SD, instegate or bloodsurge) or combernation of to get the talsnts u want

Or dont try

[sudden lynx]

Maybe just leave things here?

[jagged pier]

You loose value in execute talents the moment u dont take heavy handed, which kire doesnt, in any of the keys, i would argue it would do more for him than EA if he doesnt want to run sheild spec

[sudden lynx]

I guess he's probably tested it and found he prefers EA for whatever reason

A lot of these minor changes seem to be very "dont think, feel" at the highest level

[jagged pier]

I dont know how u would be able to tell the difference of having ea or not,

But sure

They do feelycraft as they refuse to log

Any key they ever do

[sudden lynx]

I think thats fine

Clearly working out for him

[jagged pier]

But on this point anyways kira came in here and had a go at me a few weeks ago because i said he didnt run shield spec when someone else mentioned he wasnt, then said "FIND A RUN ON PTR WHERE I HAVENT" or somthing along those lines

[mellow yoke]

He does take Heavy handed though?

[high latch]

It obviously works for their team, but what they do shouldn't be used as a one-fits-all solution or given as general advice.

[idle copper]

This is my streets route and I jump down and get 3% at the end after the last boss - principally because people aggro more mobs from the area of pull 8 if i pull more there

Is there a better way of doing it without needing the mobs at the end?

[sudden lynx]

I think he recently started testing swapping it out

[mellow yoke]

Builds change

[sudden lynx]

I remember it on his stream, couldn't tell you when exactly though

[mellow yoke]

people find talents that suit them better on different keys

[jagged pier]

He had already started not running it

[mellow yoke]

builds are not set in stone

[jagged pier]

So i dont know why he was so madge

I didnt even say it was bad i was just saying they arent

[jagged pier]

The 15% damage one is what i mean

[mellow yoke]

RRH?

[jagged pier]

Right have u done that or have u just copied?

[sudden lynx]

Ya

[severe orbit]

Probably because you yap a lot without being any good at the game 🤔

[mellow yoke]

I have

[sudden lynx]

Oh boy!

[mellow yoke]

I'm running 16s

[jagged pier]

[mellow yoke]

currently, only dungeon I struggle in is HoA

[sudden lynx]

Ragebait tag in

[mellow yoke]

So, I take Shield spec there

[mellow yoke]

Gambit for example I dont die from melees

So, I don't take shield spec, I take a talent that does damage

[jagged pier]

What do u die from tho?

[mellow yoke]

I dont

[sudden lynx]

Alright then, sounds like you have found something that works

[mellow yoke]

Gambit is a tank easy dungeon

[jagged pier]

The only damage talent where u get loads of value tho if u havent got it would be whirling blade

[high latch]

This is the route I run. Exactly how I do pulls 11-13 depends on the group.

[mellow yoke]

I usually take that

when I drop shield spec

[jagged pier]

Picking up a second ezecute talent or so, would literally do nothing for u

But u should be running it anyway

Its a masive defensive boost

[mellow yoke]

but If I already have whirling blade

[jagged pier]

U should be running 100% of the time

[mellow yoke]

I take Heavy handed

who said that

[jagged pier]

Like masscre compares to whirling blade

For instance

[idle copper]

Ive tried pull 10 a few times and always seem to get adds?

[jagged pier]

There isnt a compaisson one is slightly more damage on 1-3 targets while one is a dps increase on mpre st target and a rage generator

A really good rage generator as u can get 3-4 ravagers up sometimes

[mellow yoke]

I wasn't talking about your route

[jagged pier]

Which then fuels avatar cdr sw cdr etc etc throigh am cycling

[mellow yoke]

sorry for the confusion

[jagged pier]

Like if u take any ezecute talents before whirling blade

[idle copper]

I ment on your route sorry

[high latch]

Sometimes you get the extra Skulker that's stealthed nearby, but you can mostly avoid it and it doesn't really slow down the pull any way.

[jagged pier]

That just makes 0 sense

[mellow yoke]

I dont

If I'm dropping talents for something whirling blade is on the top of the list

but if I already have it

I'll get something else

[jagged pier]

But im asking whats i your build that u dont take whirling blade

To begin with

[mellow yoke]

after 2nd boss, why dont u do the miniboss with the 2 packs

g25 and g24

that way u can take g20 into pull 14

and skip g16

[high latch]

Hmm, might do that actually. Sounds pretty good.

[mellow yoke]

like this

[high latch]

The miniboss is very easy alone, so I could do that for sure

Yeah, why not. Sounds like a good Idea. I'll try that.

[jagged pier]

Like u ither have EA or SD, which compared to whirling blade is just not better

[idle copper]

thats looks canny

[blazing ridge]

whirling blade is top

when its procs its so much rage

gigarage

I dont know why Streamers have so weird talentchoices sometimes. I just dont get it

[jagged pier]

Like this i woild say if your base, this is has 2 free points, i would alwaus take shield spec, so u have 1. Bloodsurge and SD are inter changeable

[mellow yoke]

this is what I run

for Hoa

[blazing ridge]

Like I saw Kira take BSV somewhere

[jagged pier]

Yer bloodbounre can go

[mellow yoke]

It's a good talent in HoA

[blazing ridge]

I think take Bloodsurge out you have 3 free talents

[jagged pier]

It might be a good talent, but it doesnt compare to whirling blade

[blazing ridge]

I take Shield Spec, Execleave and Exe Dmg

[jagged pier]

U have to get down some how

[mellow yoke]

In Hoa there's more mobs that hit you, more hits you take more rage you generate

[jagged pier]

Damge and rage gen is always > than damahe

[mellow yoke]

I dont feel rage starved

[blazing ridge]

like this

[jagged pier]

U dont get rage from being hit anymore thays years old u get 3 rage per second in combat

[jagged pier]

Thats not the point

More rage is more damage its more avatars

More shield walls over a key

So you are tankier and do more damage

If your ever saying i have enough rage you arent understanding the class correctly

[blazing ridge]

xdd

[jagged pier]

We work of rage spent and generated

The more u make

[blazing ridge]

thats so true lol

[jagged pier]

The more u spend

The better the class just is

[idle copper]

New Question - the overseer in this pull - does it need to be dead before the scenerio starts or will it let me start the scenerio and pick the overseer on the way round?

...ive just been kite killing the overseer to the position of the start of the scenerio and dont actually know if it needs to die before itll let you start...

[sudden lynx]

This is nice! I run something similar -- sudden death instead of bloodborne, passive ravager instead of EA, and three-target execute instead of bloodsurge are my only differences off the top of my head

[high latch]

You can start the RP. It triggers off you walking a couple of meters into the area.

[idle copper]

cool, so i can just add that mob in as i go round yep? (sorry just to be mega clear)

[high latch]

Yep. The patrol is completely separate.

[idle copper]

ty

[blazing ridge]

I usually trigger Mail Room Open RP run into Oasis RP and then do Mailroom

[jagged pier]

So the standard execute build on wowhead then

[blazing ridge]

xd

[sudden lynx]

Haven't checked, wouldn't know

[jagged pier]

Which is what we suggest ppl to run until they hit their limited then they swap to the push build because at that point you cant take the 3 execute talents kinda making them not so good

[sudden lynx]

Idk not a huge fan of static builds in the first place

They're a good starting point I guess? But part of the fun of these revamped talent trees is to move things around and test stuff out imo

See what works for you etc

[jagged pier]

Sure but the problem with warrior talents is there is much given so u give something up for somthing else u loose tankiness and damage

It was worse before the talent tree change

We were more locked in

At least we have 1 maybe 2 float points now

[tawny ice]

here are logs from last night - I was still using my previous spec b/c when I got into the instance I realized my keybinds weren't set up for the new one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8K7kHLzVFBNxtWCP?boss=-2&difficulty=0&source=13

[jagged pier]

And jsut because your change something for a key and worked like it did before, it was much more likely it was the different group or the group changing something that actuallu make it successful

Compared to you moving a few talent points around

[idle copper]

First BL on Streets, mini or boss ?

[mellow yoke]

I usually lust pull 2

and after casters get low chain mini

because there is a lot of damage on that pull

so u need big defansives

[high latch]

I also lust pull 2, but do it like this:

[jagged pier]

u need to work on SB management thats for sure

[idle copper]

ty

[jagged pier]

hard to tell without u playing without proper key bindings tbh

i cant really tell whats bad playor bad keybindings

[idle copper]

The 1st boss is pull 5 yep?

nvm, saw the number sorry

[rough egret]

I like to chain pull 4 to boss

[dry skiff]

doesnt Thunder clap take priority over Shield slam in AOE ?

[rough egret]

No

[jagged pier]

TC no , TB yes in some cases

[rough egret]

T blast yes, clap no

[idle copper]

after the casters are down?

[dry skiff]

what if we''re full rage. someitmes i get 3-4 of those while i have everything else ready

[rough egret]

U use IP

[jagged pier]

u press IP

[rough egret]

Ideally with the ss snap macro

So you dont waste

[rough egret]

Nah i grab them all and pull boss with them there arw just the spining lines that we need to avoid

[idle copper]

ty

[dry skiff]

why tho, why is shield slam so important even in aoe ?

[jagged pier]

rage gen

[rough egret]

You need to generate as much you can and you need to spend as much you can

[sudden lynx]

There are verrrry few cases where you want to prio TC over SS, I would only do it if you need threat on stuff urgently and don't have something better to press somehow. But like I said, that is a very rare scenario lol

[idle copper]

Im ok with that pull but its ok for a +12 pug yep?

[jagged pier]

and only like past a certain number of targets does TC do like the same damage

[rough egret]

I did it in my +12 🙂

[idle copper]

your +12 audience might have been week 1 guys :)

[sudden lynx]

Also maybe if you have enough rage and enough targets for TC do do more damage than SS and just want to pump damage

[rough egret]

No it was this week im not that pro 😄

[rough egret]

But when im making my group i usuall try to get ppl with ilvl and score around mine

So around 710 and 2,8k right now

And I always pug

[idle copper]

similar here, so hopefully ok then :)

[rough egret]

Dont have squad to run keys with

[tawny ice]

What do you mean bad key bindings?

[jagged pier]

?

[tawny ice]

I don’t think you’re comprehending what I meant. I have my key bindings set the same for all characters so order is right for muscle memory. People here gave me a different spec to try. I did not try it last night bc I had forgotten to set the key bindings up on this warrior. (I have two)

[tawny ice]

Not sure why that is hard to understand. I’m 8/8 on one tank 7/8 on the other. You’re actually not helpful.

[round pendant]

?

[jagged pier]

what your trying to explain isnt helpful do u want a log review or not?

your talking about key binds implying they made a difference in you rplay

if thats not the case i can give a log review

[tawny ice]

No I’m not. First, I’m not a bad player. Second, I had nothing bound on the new spec. In case you’re not aware when you change specs, blizzard doesn’t automatically put everything in the place you had it bound before

[jagged pier]

then why link a log if u dont want it reviewed?

[tawny ice]

The key bindings are irrelevant to the conversation. It was merely an explanation of why I didn’t use the new spec I was given here!

[fluid shard]

Why are you being so defensive?

[tawny ice]

One he’s not comprehending what I asked. Two immediately calling me a bad player.

[jagged pier]

i dont get what this conversation is about u just said hes a log from last night and then about key binds?

theres no question here?

[tawny ice]

Forget the keybinds. It was a comment more for the people who had been helping me

[jagged pier]

your prievous statement was like 7 hours before

tag the ppl in it?

otherwise its just out of no where

and makes 0 sense

[fluid shard]

Btw you can make it so your different setups use the same character bindings.

[tawny ice]

Well I was trying to find but there were 600 messages. Forget the Keybinds. Just wanting the logs reviewed. I can link the previous

[tawny ice]

I do. Every toon has the exact same order. But when you make a new spec you have to go in and set them unless there is an addon that does it for you

[high latch]

There are more of us 👀

[jagged pier]

right ill review the logs then

[fluid shard]

😱

[round pendant]

Where did he call you a bad player

[tawny ice]

@jagged pier here are the previous logs - yes different toon - same specs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/blackrock/thuringwethl

[round pendant]

That's not him calling you a bad player

He thought you meant your log was you playing with bad keybindings, therefore your performance would be bad

[fluid shard]

When you create a new build, on the talent page there’s a little cogwheel where you can choose keybinds to be the same

[round pendant]

so he wouldn't be able to tell if it was bad play or bad bindings

He misunderstood what you initially said, but he didn't call you a bad player

[tawny ice]

@jagged pier oddly enough the same people have been helping/answering me for a week. but the issue they found was I was not using revenge and overusing IP. I would like a comparison

[tawny ice]

yes but you still have to put the correct things in the correct slots on the bar. I had not planned on tanking last night and had not made the changes on this warrior. I have two prot warriors I tank with two guilds. I had to bring a tank last night for a group I normally play hunter with. So not sure if that makes a huge diff on logs, b/c same specs, same person hitting keys

[steep pivot]

hi guys! i did an big mistake to craft the boots, i didnt knew there was an important boot loot at raid xD

but now i got another craft, what should i craft ? maybe belt? wrists?

[high latch]

If you don't have myth shield, then shield. Then same rule for weapon.

After that you'd want to get your embellishments on ideally bracers and belt.

Or replace weakest pieces.

[steep pivot]

i got shield crafted, and boots. both with crit at80% embelish

[tawny ice]

so 4 crafted total but embellishments on bracers and belt?

[high latch]

In a perfect world you en up with only 2 crafted pieces, embellished bracers and belt

But there aren't any limits except for the 2 embellishments.

[steep pivot]

i read that the vision belt shall lose value when you get an belt at 710 ish ilvl

[inner siren]

hi, i'm looking for a weakaura for my premade party members - the weakaura should pop up a symbol when i have my reflect up, so they dont kick
but i need it to be wokring like that the symbol only shows up when the party member wants to kick his target, but the target casts a reflectable spell on me
any helpers here?

[high latch]

The real answer is that it depends on your character, so you should sim it. But around 710 sounds about right until they nerf the DISC belt.

[tawny ice]

I have the hero shield, but should I go ahead and craft the weapon?

[jagged pier]

cant really list is out as most important to least important thing, just because everything effects everything with this spec:

• Shield block management is bad on some of these bosses your taking more melees than than your blocking so your ither not managing or turning your back (this is in both logs linked)
• your SS should have about double the casts so u are missing out on about 50% of the casts of SS you could have had, this means your missing out on a tone of rage, for avatar CDR SW CDR, and IP usage
• your casts are all out of wack espically for colossus
  - on alot of bosses you are prio TC over revenge which as colossus is a huge no, on some bosses u arent even pressing it at all (which also means you are missing out on more SS's because u arent getting resets from revenge), let alone the demolish damage u are missnig out on because u arent stacking the buff
• u cast shockwave multiple times on all bosses thats a wasted gcds that can go too somthing else
• your talented into Shield charge but use it once/twice per fight maybe not at all, (so your loosing out on shield block uptime and damage)

theres a lot to work on here: but the TLDR is press buttons on cd and make sure you are pressing the right ones (avatar, demo, shield charge, demolish when off cd u press) SS otherwise, as colossus its revenege over TC and IP to avoid capping rage

[high latch]

Yes, that would be my advice. Unless you have a myth track weapon ofc.

[steep pivot]

hey morbi when i press spell refrect my characer says: "SPELL REFLECT!"

[steep pivot]

i got hero track on weap, but idk, i already got belt and wrists with gem socket that i already crafted past seasons

[inner siren]

yea i know these ... but my party doesnt read chat while playing, so i want them to have a symbol popping up for them instead of me posting a chat msg

[round pendant]

You want to craft a shield first

720 shield is way better than a 710 one

[high latch]

Oh! Sorry! Misread that. Thought he said he had crafted shield.

Shield is higher pri.

[round pendant]

shield > weapon > wrist/belt (with embellishments) > jewellery I'd say

[high latch]

Old season gear is pretty bad regardless of what they have at this point. If you want the most value short term, then sim the different options and you have your answer. The general advice is to do shield > weap > 2 crit/vers thread embellishments (ideally bracers and belt) > weakest pieces

[tawny ice]

so TC is not in the new spec, so that issue will solve itself when I set that up. I feel like I am hitting SC and revenge everytime it is up so I may need to move those to different keybinds. Hoping to have 2 tier soon and swap to Thane - thanks

[tawny ice]

she and my weapon is champion

[high latch]

Shield is probably still better. Makes you more tanky and indirectly gives more strength through armor.

[round pendant]

You should stay Colossus until 4p, unfortunately

[jagged pier]

2pc 2pc

u go thane

[tawny ice]

others here said 2

[round pendant]

Roid told me the opposite

[steep pivot]

Damn so i might craft one hander, any tips? Sword?
Coz my weap is hero track from raid, haste mastery… i think the most value i can get by crafting is weap indeed
(Other pieces would receive ilvl upgrade, but weap is better I think)

[jagged pier]

thats if u want to stay colossus

if u want to stay

[round pendant]

and sim loses me damage as thane

[mellow yoke]

Just go thane, get used to it

[frosty mango]

Wat did I say

[high latch]

Which weapon doesn't matter. Pick the one you want the transmog of, or which is cheapest. Just make sure you pick one that gives strength. Have heard some horror stories of people getting int weapons.

[tawny ice]

that is what I wanted to do so that I wouldnt have to relearn but everyone said no

[steep pivot]

Thane is easier gameplay

[frosty mango]

And when did I say it

[round pendant]

was it you or nim

[mellow yoke]

That's what I did

[round pendant]

it was nim

[tawny ice]

pretty sure nim told me two

[mellow yoke]

next week ur getting set anyways

so

[round pendant]

^

[high latch]

I also went MT earlier than what was optimal to learn it better.

[steep pivot]

Jesus! Imagine spending gilded crests and gold on intelect weap xD ty for the tip, ill see the mogs

[frosty mango]

I think 2/2 it’s a wash, thane would prob be more boss damage colossus would be more aoe damage?

Not many people are in that situation

[round pendant]

I am because I simmed it and it gave me more dam and I got tired of wearing 4 684 pieces

oh well next reset I get 4p

granted I only do m+ so I think it was the right choice