i feel like im getting trolled by raidbots, simming 5t 40s signet of priory is 1 mill dps increase at 710 vs sacbrood 710
#protection
thorny quarry
strong forum
well yeah
thats pretty expected cuz youre simming a 40sec pull
youre simming a guaranteed value trinket vs a trinket with rng procs and uptime over a VERY short duration
im surprised its only 1mil
thorny quarry
ok fine, someone said said sim 5t 40s for M+ gear choices
strong forum
thats fucking stupid
strong forum
if you wanna sim m+ you have to do
1t 3min for boss encounters with lust
5t 1.5min for average length m+ pull without lust
10t 40s with lust
6-8t 6-10min for average AoE output without lust
undone beacon
I do two sims: 1 target 5 mins + 5 stargets 1:30
strong forum
even for fury thats stupid
undone beacon
thorny quarry
youre missing the update
dusky canopy
strong forum
thorny quarry
better
undone beacon
sticker using bastards give me a gif
pine lotus
even for fury thats stupid
How do you feel on p-war vs p-pal? I’ve been playing both and the tankiness of warrior feels amazing but then the utility of pal feels good
strong forum
okay but ill link the godtier gif for prot
undone beacon
You come to the house of Prot Warr and ask about Prot Pal
dusky canopy
Oh you want a god tier Prot gif one sec let me find it
undone beacon
Your answer shall be unbiased and true
strong forum
undone beacon
Prot Pal is poopoo prot war is giga, easy
plush tendon
How do you feel on p-war vs p-pal? I’ve been playing both and the tankiness of w...
I like both right now
jagged pier
https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv
strong forum
How do you feel on p-war vs p-pal? I’ve been playing both and the tankiness of w...
I only play prot war
i havent played ppally since bfa s2
plush tendon
Prot War feels beefier, does more damage, and better to play
Prot Pal... well fuck lightsmith, but throwing shields is fun
strong forum
whenever i play something that actually takes damage my legs break IRL
dusky canopy
undone beacon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/966342876109885500/W...
this is the way
dusky canopy
Nomes to fast
undone beacon
DEVASTATE
strong forum
so other tanks are literally illegal
undone beacon
try bear then nome i promise its cool and epic
dusky canopy
It’s kinda neat how we had the exact same god tier gif in mind just different versions
strong forum
now if you want an OBJECTIVE opinion
Ppal requires infinitely more skill to play and has a vastly higher skill ceiling, is more beneficial for your group success when keys actually get hard (not before turbo boost and max ilvl)
Pwar right now is good because its tanky and does damg
thats about it
plush tendon
Prot War is just perfect
perfect tank, everything else wishes it was as good
also, good hero talents
MT and Col both fun
strong forum
pwar is the simple answer RIGHT NOW
but eventually pwar will probably fall off again in favour of other tanks
like it always does
blazing shuttle
I'm going to say it.
After playing for like, years of BDK.
I can only agree with Augusto.
plush tendon
My BDK is being converted to Frost or Unholy this week
if I see no BDK changes
as someone who has played BDK since I started playing this game in Cata.... im very sadge
plush tendon
Or I could play Col
and make Revenge go brrr
its almost the same thing
just replace two As with two Es
undone beacon
Hmmmm
rage based tanks
I never realized how shiny both of those arms are and honestly its freakin me out a bit
plush tendon
thats from Rocky right?
strong forum
its called lighting and oil
plush tendon
or just pure sweat
strong forum
Bad decision after bad decision.
"we're nerfing prot warriors rage generation"
"we're removing spellblock"
warm plinth
thats from Rocky right?
Nah it's from Predator. It's Arnold and Carl Weathers
undone beacon
plush tendon
Nah it's from Predator. It's Arnold and Carl Weathers
mellow bridge
imagine this season cpm without the rage nerf tho 
warm plinth
I only know that because I just watched that movie for the first time a few months ago and was like HEY THAT'S THAT MEME
undone beacon
I only know that because I just watched that movie for the first time a few mont...
this is me rewatching old simpsons
strong forum
only reason why pwar cpm is currently high is cuz fury shared a useless tierset with us
100%
opal spoke
question if a prot war is not main tanking on mythic loom how much does not getting hit affect rage generation for the warrior and dps?
blazing shuttle
"we're nerfing prot warriors rage generation"
"we're removing spellblock"
Could be worse... COULD BE WORSE.......
strong forum
we generate 3 rage each time we get hit
warm plinth
Very little. We only get 3 rage per melee hit and raid bosses hit slow
strong forum
( 1 second cooldown )
opal spoke
it does
ok currently we have myself as brew not maintanking and they would like me to switch roles with him.
warm plinth
It shouldn't have any meaningful impact on their damage
lime mantle
How do you feel on p-war vs p-pal? I’ve been playing both and the tankiness of w...
Pwar vs Ppal, refer to it whenever you think about playing pink class.
undone beacon
pallies have blunts? sign me up
narrow jay
Ya I tank with a monk and he always asks to start with boss something about his rotation doing more damage when he has the boss but all my big thunderblast and execute crits he has to spam taunt to keep aggro at the start of every boss 😅
The guy cranks though 99s to 100 every fight i barely beat him most of the time thier single target is crazy
round pendant
I made my own tome tracker cause I found myself ignoring it
now it pops up glowing and screaming at me if it's off cd and is on shield mode
dusky canopy
Need to get one made like the lizard meme whenever in shield mode
Tome
Tome
Tome
Tome
Tome
round pendant
hmm how many stacks for me to not press it
🤔
I usually don't press it if I'm at 40 stacks but idk if that's ideal or if it's just strictly always better to press it
frosty mango
The tank with poop dps should start loomi
Imo warrior should tank second bc you have huge tether damage
warm plinth
I usually don't press it if I'm at 40 stacks but idk if that's ideal or if it's ...
The wa doesn't tell you to swap if you already have 40 stacks
I assume it's because it's gonna cycle soon anyway and it'd be kind of a waste to put it on cd to only save a little time
round pendant
yeah I'm making my own wa cause I just don't want it showing all the time
frosty mango
Ya I tank with a monk and he always asks to start with boss something about his ...
He can’t purify if he doesn’t take damage so it kinda scuffs his dps as moh
round pendant
I only want it to pop up to tell me to press it
pine lotus
Does the quality of an embellishment affect the stats it gives or only ease of crafting
narrow jay
Ya that's why I always tell our MM hunters to MD him off the rip so he can get the uptime he wants
warm plinth
Does the quality of an embellishment affect the stats it gives or only ease of c...
Just ease of crafting
round pendant
The wa doesn't tell you to swap if you already have 40 stacks
which one you referring to btw?
cause the one I have has no such criteria
frosty mango
I would send you mine but it’s kinda offensive
frosty mango
It has horns and screeches until I put it back in sword mode
nocturne spindle
i mean myth loomithar you should be taking the bosses first tank buster so that you can immediately 180 and burst both adds
its free execute damage
and we are way better burst on that than a brewmaster
round pendant
It has horns and screeches until I put it back in sword mode
it's okay I figured it out
I just made a custom trigger function
shield buff + (<40 stacks or no stack buff) + trinket ready = it pops up in the middle of my screen and yells at me
neon elk
@dusky canopy kinda lowcost one
undone beacon
Adding noises to my WAs improved my gameplay way more than it should’ve
dusky canopy
<@224952758808215555> kinda lowcost one
round pendant
Adding noises to my WAs improved my gameplay way more than it should’ve
Yeah it's op
As long as they make sense and you know what they're for lol
jagged pier
dusky canopy
frosty mango
I’ve had to add a lot more sounds since maining monk
Then I played Rsham and wonder why anyone plays anything but that
shrewd grove
Then I played Rsham and wonder why anyone plays anything but that
Rsham is goated for pugging M+ especially
Too many tools to fix fuck ups. Then I go back to my disc priest and cry
frosty mango
Rsham is goated for pugging M+ especially
Rsham is the most brainless healer ever
It has almost no buttons, tools for everything, does truckloads of dps, ranged kick, can’t oom
round pendant
feels so nice playing with them tho
shrewd grove
It has almost no buttons, tools for everything, does truckloads of dps, ranged k...
And lust, and a really sick raid buff
And self res
Just can't stop fucking winning
frosty mango
I’m literally sweating on my monk to rip 1.2-1.3m dps in a key
I pull 2m on carry keys on the sham
With like 10% of the effort
Raid? lol here’s 10m raw hps while I spam lava burst
Warrior is still my beloved though
undone beacon
Sounds like I need an rsham alt
frosty mango
I bricked some poor guys 16 streets the other night bc it was 3am and I accidentally took a proxy strike to the back on the first pack
One tapped me
shrewd grove
Sounds like I need an rsham alt
You do. Its great for when you want to nap on an alt
shrewd grove
I bricked some poor guys 16 streets the other night bc it was 3am and I accident...
Oof. Been there
nocturne spindle
my 16 streets bricked cause i watched the casters murder themselves on the reflect
i cri
lofty warren
now if you want an OBJECTIVE opinion
Ppal requires infinitely more skill to pla...
I agree. But also ain't nobody that does tank want to @cursor friendless to cast spells on them. That is healer job
frosty mango
"we're nerfing prot warriors rage generation"
"we're removing spellblock"
They removed spell block because it was hard to use, by that logic obviously they are going to remove prot paladins 4head
dusky canopy
😂
frosty mango
Think about it
Removal of skill ceiling skills
Addon removal
One button rotation
Blizz is slowly turning wow into a gacha
lofty warren
There is logical inconsistentcy between removing spell black and not removing spell reflect
jagged pier
shield block and spell reflect next
bacuse same reason as spell block, doesnt work on everything and too hard to know what it does and doesnt work on
frosty mango
By the end of the next 2 expansions wow will be a mobile game and you’ll just control it like the old garrison table 
jagged pier
lofty warren
What doesnt shield block work on? Bleeds?
jagged pier
lots of physical things
frosty mango
What doesnt shield block work on? Bleeds?
We don’t know we’re too stupid to figure it out
That’s the official blizzard answer
jagged pier
thats why sense does it for us
frosty mango
Hail sense
lofty warren
So I've been wasting rage on sb all this time? Is a weak aura that tells you so i can not shield block?
jagged pier
love this, good raid
frosty mango
Are you running hunker down in raid?
jagged pier
nah
jagged pier
nah u just swap shield talent for an execute talent
frosty mango
Fair
jagged pier
like cleave if u need it/want it
frosty mango
I’m already doing that for most add fights
lofty warren
In m+ if shield block is available is there any time where it shouldn't be pushed because it won't give any defensive or offensive value?
jagged pier
nah u just boss damage honestly
mighty valley
In m+ if shield block is available is there any time where it shouldn't be pushe...
no.
when are you not taking melee hits in m+? also it always gives you shield slam damage
dusky canopy
Need to collect my r1
Don’t pop any cages until they auto pop, lust, profit
frosty mango
In m+ if shield block is available is there any time where it shouldn't be pushe...
I mean
Yes
If you’re not fighting something lol
frosty mango
But if you are in combat sb should be up
mighty valley
jakey didn't say shield block is not useful lol
frosty mango
<:okayge:917646812519739433> dunno why Jakey said sb not useful then maybe it's ...
He’s talking about raid and you still want it up because it’s a sizable dps loss to not have it up
His comment was purely about the defensive value of block in manaforge
frosty mango
Jakey don’t uno reverse pepega
frosty mango
This man is about to roll into a key and not press sb and be like “jakey said so” lol
lofty warren
Ok got it. Still press it ty I was confused
mighty valley
yeah like. it's irritating that our primary active mit doesn't work on a lot of tankbusters
when some other tanks don't give a shit
but sb is still strong against the majority of damage you take in a key lol
lofty warren
Why is it like that?
mighty valley
i dunno, if we reduced tons of tankbusters by 40% ish naturally, they'd have to come up with some other way to threaten us
lofty warren
Ppal has some sort of spell block thing from shield feel like pwar should have that too
undone beacon
i dunno, if we reduced tons of tankbusters by 40% ish naturally, they'd have to ...
gun
frosty mango
i dunno, if we reduced tons of tankbusters by 40% ish naturally, they'd have to ...
Yeah like removing spell block
solid sun
Lava
undone beacon
frosty mango
I think we should have a gun and shield tank
undone beacon
I think we should have a gun and shield tank
Tinker tank, gun and shield, tank brann as a model
solid sun
I think we should have a shield and boomerang tank
frosty mango
Tank brann gun and shield would go hard
mighty valley
monhun gunlance
solid sun
Boomerangs would go so hard
undone beacon
Give me that or give me shammy tank
both kthanks
its been so long since we've had a new tank
I was hoping that midnight would give a 4th spec to most classes and shaman tank would rise
solid sun
Spellbreaker the random mmochampion poster said it
lofty warren
When pwar casts shield he should put a wall that makes him immune from all damage and debufs for duration. Also any friendlies behind the wall also benefit from it and it works against riad bosses
solid sun
Isn’t it ffxiv that the paladin job can like spread a shield to prevent the group from taking damage
Prot warriors press a button on their shield and the thing grows like Goku’s stick
Big shield for the whole gang
jagged pier
That was called dragon soul teir set
azure crag
imagine bleeding out on the floor and holding up a shield to try and stop the flow
dusky canopy
Don’t use wooden shields*
LOL
lofty warren
Ss or it didn't happen
round pendant
lofty warren
I dislike that
round pendant
Good
undone beacon
weak auras are a crutch. plater is a crutch. meters are a crutch. We play raw base ui as blizzard intended. in-game cooldown manager. Vibe tanking
warm plinth
which one you referring to btw?
Idk the idiot one or whatever it's called
round pendant
The best thing is right
the 9 icons isn't a clean division of the length of the rage bar
prime sphinx
weak auras are a crutch. plater is a crutch. meters are a crutch. We play raw ba...
the ingame personal resource display+ personal cooldowns enabled is actually pretty good for pwar atleast
shrewd grove
weak auras are a crutch. plater is a crutch. meters are a crutch. We play raw ba...
"I vibe tank and I do fine"
Player who regularly doesnt time his 8s, pulls 1mil overall DPS, and never uses shield block
round pendant
tbh pwar is so simple you don't need any WAs beyond just a sb tracker to do decently well
I just can't stand having action bars visible
shrewd grove
You don't. But I find most people who can't be fucked to learn to set up a WA, also can't be fucked to learn a rotation
round pendant
You don't. But I find most people who can't be fucked to learn to set up a WA, a...
Yeah that's fair
shrewd grove
I can be f- nevermind
Is this an offer or an observation because....
shrewd grove
I end up grabbing Afenars and tweaking it
round pendant
it's fun, at least my UI doesn't look like anybody elses
solid sun
I just use Nome’s
round pendant
It's good
solid sun
I thought I’d do as much damage as him if I used it
That hasn’t happened yet
Very curious indeed
lime spruce
@plush tendon you inspired me yesterday to nut up and try my first +10, well we +2'd it 😂 actually easier than most 7s-9s I've done
gentle ore
So, I got myth chest in vault... should I craft legs? sim says dps = neck but for pure survivability the stats from legs are better or?
(currently at 5/5 set)
lusty grotto
youre myth 5/5?
gentle ore
no, but was thinking to drop to 4/5 set
dusky canopy
<@181600386941976577> you inspired me yesterday to nut up and try my first +10, ...
Hell yeah bro when you play the game with gamers everything is easier
round pendant
yeah I think chest is the worst tier slot so
lusty grotto
is it all hero track?
lusty grotto
and what ilvl is your neck
gentle ore
704
gentle ore
everything is 704 except myth items
round pendant
oh that reminds me I need to craft my wrists
lusty grotto
we need more info
do you have 2x dawn or dusk? or a combination of the two?
is your shield/1h crafted or myth track?
dusky canopy
I’ll dusk your dawn!!
gentle ore
Crafted wep/shield
Both embellishements.
704 in every spot except gloves that are 704 champ, chest/shoulder myth track.
23k+ haste
lusty grotto
where is your 2nd embelishment
gentle ore
wep/shield
lusty grotto
you have ascendance?
gentle ore
probably recrafting ascending away with new craft
lusty grotto
yeah make bracers
gentle ore
m+ focus
gentle ore
Why wrists? lowest stat budget isnt it? planning to throw 720 craft.
gentle ore
already grabbed
lusty grotto
in 2 weeks your next craft will depend on whether you have a myth track shield available
if you do, then craft belt with dusk/dawn
if you dont, then craft lowest ilvl or whatever sims highest without an embelishment
gentle ore
ok
lusty grotto
the moment you get a myth track shield, you replace crafted, regardless of if it has an embelishment or not
same with weapon
round pendant
yeah basically 723 wrists/belt don't beat 720 with embellishments right?
plush tendon
they do not
round pendant
I always end up crafting jewellery tho cause I never get lucky with myth jewellery
icy haven
would a max damage low key farm build go high mastery?
lime spruce
yeah if it's low keys it's not living long enough for the bleeds to do much for you
icy haven
ok just trying to understand sims then, its telling me to pick mastery gear which im seeing nobody do
round pendant
a little bit of mastery is good
so going from zero mastery to some mastery is a decent increase
undone beacon
ok just trying to understand sims then, its telling me to pick mastery gear whic...
If you have a lot of haste/crit then mast/vers will start being worth more due to diminishing returns
That’s why it’s so important to sim
lusty grotto
also the sim tends to undervalue haste after 20k, which is fine for it and also due to the time duration of the sim, but since we're human we need a lot more. The only stat you dont really follow through with its recommendations is haste.
odd heath
Hi guys what are the best stats (for thane prot - M+) to add on the crafted shield ? 🙂
lusty grotto
open the wowhead guide, its right on the summary page under the builds
round pendant
I just slap crit haste on all my crafted pieces
odd heath
Haste crit I see 🙂
icy haven
also the sim tends to undervalue haste after 20k, which is fine for it and also ...
and we want 24k for 100% shield block uptime right? any point going over that? seems im at 26.5k unbuffed
round pendant
you can sim it tho
odd heath
Did you put any embellishment on the shield ?
lusty grotto
and we want 24k for 100% shield block uptime right? any point going over that? s...
there's no such thing as 100% uptime
with ITF this season
you just stop at around 27k
lusty grotto
i dont think it sucks
high latch
I have just under 25k and average around 94% uptime. And for the downtime I always have a plan.
ITF is fun, but HR is super comfy.
lusty grotto
we warned during DF and early TWW that yoloing SB wasnt the right call
im doing fine with 22k
gaps will be less than but they will always exist
high latch
Yeah I always recommend 21-25k. Before then ITF is a bit iffy.
lofty warren
How much sb uptime is available now?
lusty grotto
as much as youre capable of squeezing in
high latch
With HR = 100%
With ITF and capped haste = around 95% ish?
lofty warren
Tbh I don't even think about it if I see i have an sb available i push the button
lofty warren
When should you hold it?
lusty grotto
when mobs are about to die
round pendant
If the pack will die and leave you with a bunch of sb duration outside of combat
high latch
Or when you have something to compensate
high latch
I mean.. It works for me. I sometimes let it drop for a second with wall up to recover CD.
lusty grotto
the best you can do is step out
high latch
Of course, if you're not taking melee hits it doesn't matter
There are ways around the small gaps other than just letting Jesus take the wheel, is my point.
lusty grotto
this isnt new though, its the way we played in previous expansions
high latch
Very true
round pendant
I mean you will waste some shield wall but that's less important than not going into a pack without SB
I think it's.. okay?
not the end of the world in most keys
lusty grotto
depends on the key level i suppose
lofty warren
Usually there isn't a big gap between packs but yea I get not wanting unused duration
round pendant
I hate kiting, I don't wanna step out 😠
lusty grotto
youre not gonna SL kite
lofty warren
Sl s1 kiting so bad
lusty grotto
its very minimal
its just been a while since we've had to do it so it seems more impactful
high latch
In my case it's more if I'm sitting on 2 charges and know I don't need them any time soon, I send one and let SB cooldown recover for just a second or so. It's rare it's necessary though. You usually recover enough between pulls or during intermissions.
lofty warren
Only time I kite this season is when we fail to interrupt the beast master in hoa and he makes his dogs big and red
lusty grotto
on the start of the pull you almost always have an SC charge ready
anyway
and since youre avatar'ing for burst, youre sending it
lofty warren
Sometimes when I know enemy is gonna spawn adds and I only have 1x aoe ability i sometimes will hold the aoe ability for a few seconds until the mobs come so I can get aggro. Is that wrong?
lofty warren
Like thunder roar or aoe stomp or even recenge
high latch
I sometimes use Roar during gather, but the shorter CD TC while Avatar is active is usually plenty.
lofty warren
Like if everything is on cd and aoe stomp is available and mobs are coming im holding aoe stomp
mighty valley
if the adds are dangerous sure, i'll sandbag a thunderblast for a couple seconds to insta secure threat
lusty grotto
i dont think revenge should be up there since its available all the time anyway
high latch
But yeah, it's better to suboptimally use for example Roar than to have your party grab aggro and insta die.
lofty warren
Yea. Think of like boss 1 when he spawns adds or the middle big spider in ara Kara
lusty grotto
just clap
lofty warren
Boss 1 in efo dom
lusty grotto
just clap
mighty valley
oh i thought you meant getting aggro on the ara kara boss 1 adds
which uh
don't do that
high latch
Yeah they just fixate
mighty valley
yeah they're just walking to the boss
round pendant
not anymore
high latch
No, they walk to their fixate target
round pendant
they fixate players
lusty grotto
i guess if he gets the rest of the party killed
mighty valley
oh
lusty grotto
wouldnt put it past pepega to assassinate with baits 
round pendant
my friend assassinated my +12 ara kara yesterday
I said over voice
"make sure to stand at the eggs boys"
high latch
I tried to do the cleave strat with a pug... Never again..
lofty warren
I'm talking about boss 1 eco dome or the MiNI boss in ara Kara that stands where boss 1 does
round pendant
he stood behind the boss
lusty grotto
I'm talking about boss 1 eco dome or the MiNI boss in ara Kara that stands where...
yeah the mini boss, just clap the adds
round pendant
also tell everyone to sit under the mini
lusty grotto
i dont personally hold any other cd for those, i just send
high latch
I'm talking about boss 1 eco dome or the MiNI boss in ara Kara that stands where...
For sure. Your first priority is to not have your party members die, no matter how you achieve it.
round pendant
But what if my DH hunts into the first mini boss and dies?
high latch
You will probably have clap available, but there are options
mighty valley
it only really matters if you're not in avatar but yes it's nice to make sure you can tag them all when they spawn
lofty warren
So it is okay to hold clap for a few seconds when though the prio list says it should be pushed to get aggro
round pendant
I've been struggling maintaining threat lately
I shield slam, thunder clap, shield charge
and I still lose aggro to the pumper DK
lusty grotto
So it is okay to hold clap for a few seconds when though the prio list says it s...
i wouldnt hold it, but you do you
high latch
"A few seconds" sounds like too much. The CD isn't that long.
lusty grotto
you will almost always have a tool to get them, provided people are in range
high latch
I'd hold it for a second, maybe two. Outside of Avatar.
lofty warren
i wouldnt hold it, but you do you
So if everything is on cd for another 10seconda and mobs coming in 3 seconds and you have clap. You use clap?
mighty valley
what's the cooldown on thunderclap
lofty warren
Before they come
mighty valley
is it 10 seconds
lusty grotto
im not gonna entertain that scenario
because its very niche
and it might not happen
high latch
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch
lusty grotto
its ridiculously hypothetical
lofty warren
Happens to me a bunch ? 🙁
lusty grotto
use clap
round pendant
I mean
mighty valley
revenge is also always available and will be sufficient unless your dps has decided to hold aoe cooldowns to go fucking nuts on these meaningless adds
lusty grotto
and a shield slam/ tier proc will just give you a TB
lofty warren
Ok so just send the clap and hope you have the rage for revenge which you probably will
high latch
If you're in that 0.01% scenario where holding TC is your only option then that's fine. It doesn't matter enough to think too hard about it.
lofty warren
Think I sometimes "autopilot" and spend rage on sb and ip instead of just ip to prevent capping
mighty valley
yeah, I do hold clap/blast for a single gcd if adds are about to spawn but not really more than that
high latch
Same
lofty warren
Why don't you just use revenge?
high latch
Clap has much longer range and is 360 degrees, and does much more damage.
mighty valley
i mean, the add damage matters, and it locks in threat better
it's just not SO much of an improvement that I'm gonna sit on it for several seconds
because revenge is there in a pinch
lofty warren
Yea that's what I found too. I'll sacrifice 0.01% of my dps to ensure good threat
high latch
That's completely fine.
mighty valley
i've seen your gameplay videos yogi
molten epoch
I've been struggling maintaining threat lately
Are you hitting revenge?
lusty grotto
Are you hitting revenge?
??
molten epoch
I realized yesterday form comparing my logs with some of the top prot m+ players that I was having threat issues because I only hit revenge when it procced
lusty grotto
thats aint it
molten epoch
And they hit it like every 5 seconds
lusty grotto
not as thane
mighty valley
tbf, yam did post a weakaura with demolish on it earlier 🤔
lofty warren
Ain't no way revenge every 5 sec
molten epoch
It suuuure looks like it
high latch
Yeah you gotta be really unlucky with proccs to have to Revenge that often
molten epoch
5-8
lusty grotto
its def not
mighty valley
the proc is irrelevant but it's still bottom of prio list
just whenever everything else is on cd
/ deep wounds
lusty grotto
not revenging is not why you're getting out agroed
high latch
As Col that would be true. You'd use Revenge a lot. But not as MT.
lofty warren
Shield slam, dragon shout, shield charge alone would prevent revenge every 3rd global imo
molten epoch
I'm talking about M+ threat
round pendant
tbf, yam did post a weakaura with demolish on it earlier 🤔
I don't have 4p
molten epoch
Maybe had the wrong context
lofty warren
And demolish for the other tlanet
lusty grotto
I'm talking about M+ threat
so are we
high latch
Without 4pc it's a different game
mighty valley
colossus snap threat is worse, your squad gotta let you gather in peace
high latch
Col is stronger than MT before 4pc. You can try that.
4pc is what gives MT so many Thunder Blasts.
round pendant
god I wish we had emotes here
lusty grotto
he knows that
lusty grotto
he aint exactly new
round pendant
colossus snap threat is worse, your squad gotta let you gather in peace
yeah I've only really noticed it since the average person is like 710 in my groups now
they pump so fucking hard so fast and my first few globals aren't enough lmao
lofty warren
If you don't need to aoe interrupt sometimes I'll push aoe interrupt just for aoe aggro if the havoc or fdk are going way too ham on some mob(s)
round pendant
and I'm like HUH
mighty valley
yeah your first few globals suck sadly
ideally they'd wait til all is gathered and your feet are planted but
this is dps we're talking about
high latch
You can try asking your party to hold for a couple of seconds, but that may not work...
tidal temple
Hah, I was gonna ask the same thing, people keep ripping threat when I'm pulling -.-
Wasn't an issue until 11+
mighty valley
don't they want to maximize targets hit??? it's win win!!
lofty warren
If you literally run past a mob and have "aggro" and healer is spamming heals is it ever possible the healer will get aggro?
lusty grotto
and its still not an issue, if peope do it and die, they deserve it and its not your problem
mighty valley
If you literally run past a mob and have "aggro" and healer is spamming heals is...
you have to basically only have body pulled for healer threat to pull
high latch
If you literally run past a mob and have "aggro" and healer is spamming heals is...
If you only ran past it, yes
lusty grotto
this isnt the first time ive said this
lofty warren
Yes just body pulled and the rdruid got aggro while I was running around on mount gathering and then he died
high latch
That can happen. Until you deal damage to them, you have 0 threat.
lusty grotto
are you gathering and setting the pulls? is dps popping cds and ripping? thats not your problem, thats a them problem.
high latch
Any heals will pull that off you.
mighty valley
tell your healer not to hot you if you have to body pull
but also like, try and hit with something
a drive-by gcd
high latch
This is one of the reasons I don't like the first big pull in AK. Some people just can't wait to rip aggro before you've gathered and then the key is fucked.
lofty warren
That would require me to dismount tho
mighty valley
if you're mounted they should be mounted too
high latch
Yes. Should.
lofty warren
Tbh I don't even do a good pull 1 in AK because ppl keep ripping aggro and dying so I just do a baby pull 1 up to the bridge but not beyond
tidal temple
Any good resource for Colossus builds? Which talents are swappable and when?
lusty grotto
the charges from the little dudes hit hard as fuck if youre sitting, and while youre mounted youre effectlively sitting
nobody should be mounted
much less the healer
lament osprey
Is jastor still good at all? Or just do ilvl
mighty valley
mounted counts as sitting? i did not know that
lusty grotto
i saw healers get deleted in s1 due to that reason
lofty warren
In ak nobody should be mounted?
high latch
If you run first they will only go on you. The party has to stay a few yard behind you.
lusty grotto
for the first pull
lusty grotto
Is jastor still good at all? Or just do ilvl
depends on sim, but be careful with the equip bug
mighty valley
Any good resource for Colossus builds? Which talents are swappable and when?
the wowhead builds are fine I think... the swaps between easy key build and push key build are roughly the same for thane and colossus
lament osprey
depends on sim, but be careful with the equip bug
lime spruce
Looking at Kira's talents on murlok.io I see he doesn't run Shockwave, is that highly coordinated group tech or should I also drop it for +10-12 pug life
lofty warren
On first pull ak I am mounted to go down stairs then clap the guys to the right then I jump to the bridge and that is my p1. I remember doing good p1s where I dis all that plus went beyond the bridge and got the caster mobs too
lusty grotto
Looking at Kira's talents on murlok.io I see he doesn't run Shockwave, is that h...
ask kira
high latch
Don't drop Shockwave
lusty grotto
we cant answer for him
we can only answer for what we recommend, which is NOT what hes using
noble stone
hi asking for my prot warr tank friend, he mentioned some issues since start of reset that he has problems with shield block uptime, especially in big pulls he loses it a few times, was there any change or any clue whats happening?
lusty grotto
hi asking for my prot warr tank friend, he mentioned some issues since start of ...
ask him what haste rating he has unbuffed
mighty valley
since the start of this weekly reset? no balance changes
lusty grotto
if hes below 21k, have him switch Into The fray with Heavy Repercussions
mighty valley
gotta be a gear/play problem
high latch
hi asking for my prot warr tank friend, he mentioned some issues since start of ...
Easy solution is to run Heavy Repercussions talent
lofty warren
Who intl the heck would not want to use shockwave?
mighty valley
maybe he just now dropped s2 tier set?
high latch
Yeah Shockwave is great
lusty grotto
hes probably avoiding stun DR
but agian
that's not something we can answer
its his logic, depending on his setup
lime spruce
Gotcha fair enough
mighty valley
if you have a consistent comp that has enough aoe cc for the dungeon I can imagine it not being needed but like
that's not most pugs lol
high latch
Yeah, they have their niche setups. Stats from Murlok and Archon is neat, but you need to understand the reasons behind their choices to actually use it yourself.
noble stone
hes 23k with into fray, was it a vault upgrade with big haste?
lime spruce
Yeah, they have their niche setups. Stats from Murlok and Archon is neat, but yo...
Yeah I was wondering if there was well-known reasoning behind it or if I was missing something, appreciate the feedbakc
high latch
hes 23k with into fray, was it a vault upgrade with big haste?
Then he should be fine. Maybe he's not using Shield Charge enough?
lofty warren
Itf needs to be dropped after you get 21k haste i think
undone beacon
and again stop copying rank 1 key players
but niiiim if theyre rank 1 and i do what they do i will be rank 1 too
round pendant
You can try asking your party to hold for a couple of seconds, but that may not ...
I pinged two packs last night, pulled first one and the mage unloaded instantly and I was like ????? and his buddy goes "maybe ping before the pull"
lusty grotto
Itf needs to be dropped after you get 21k haste i think
wrong
lofty warren
Sorry what is the rule? I'll make a note
mighty valley
hes 23k with into fray, was it a vault upgrade with big haste?
23k haste should be fine, he just needs to be a little more intentional with SB presses than last season
lofty warren
Or maybe it can be a pin?
lusty grotto
Sorry what is the rule? I'll make a note
its the other way around
high latch
Itf needs to be dropped after you get 21k haste i think
It's the opposite. You don't use ITF until at least 21k.
noble stone
Then he should be fine. Maybe he's not using Shield Charge enough?
the thing is, he was fine for last weeks and even last season, it was just a problem this week and still is
high latch
the thing is, he was fine for last weeks and even last season, it was just a pro...
Last season we had infinite uptime because of our old set and Col build. We don't anymore.
Last weeks though.. No clue.
noble stone
is there some count to check details for shield charge? like i t has 45 sec divided by key duration i suppose
lusty grotto
what content was this?
lusty grotto
is there some count to check details for shield charge? like i t has 45 sec divi...
no
SC is bugged on combat logging
youre not gonna get accurate numbers
on both details and logs
mighty valley
send a log over and we can see if he's doing something wack (unless it's never pressing sc)
high latch
Either way, if he's struggling with SB uptime just have him go Heavy Repercussions. It's not that much weaker, and it's easy 100% uptime.
lusty grotto
at the cost of rage intake and dps
noble stone
Either way, if he's struggling with SB uptime just have him go Heavy Repercussio...
ok ill tell him and we check it out how it works out
high latch
Yes, ITF with enough haste is better if you're able to keep acceptable uptime with it. But if not, you don't have much choice..
noble stone
dont have any logs sadly
lofty warren
I'm 709 ilvl and have so it sounds like itf only when you're like really geared/optimized
Haste
22.56%
Total Rating:
13,304
high latch
13k is way too low for ITF.
mighty valley
13k at 709 is tragic
undone beacon
yeah that is... brutal
high latch
Go HR, be happy, get 21-25k, try ITF again
undone beacon
I'm a HR stan at all haste levels, cuz im a lazy prick
lofty warren
Sad pwar can't get no haste gear
mighty valley
maybe if you put on clothes
undone beacon
kinda ominous ngl
mighty valley
what've you crafted so far?
high latch
HR is comfy. But ITF make you zoom.
lofty warren
2x weapons crafted
mighty valley
insane, carry on
noble stone
ah and thanks guys for the really fast help/answers, didnt expect it tbh 😄 have a good weekend
high latch
Your stats are very ..balanced. I think it would actually be OK if you just run HR over ITF.
mighty valley
what if you gemmed and socketed
mellow bridge
with that haste, def hr
lusty grotto
pepega pepega'ing
lofty warren
Haste crit but I don't slot some garbage champion track vers mastery gear
undone beacon
ah and thanks guys for the really fast help/answers, didnt expect it tbh 😄 have...
prot warr discord a buncha nerds we got u
high latch
In time you'll get jewlery with haste which is where the majority comes from. Then you can reevaluate.
Right now only one of your rings has haste and it's the minority stat. Not great for chasing haste.
lofty warren
Soon {little tm}
tribal wharf
prot warr discord a buncha nerds we got u
some of us are doom nerds
i mean, clearly
PFP and all
mighty valley
yeah if your next craft is a ring/neck you'll get a big jump
lofty warren
But i can't craft unless I get a myrhic weapon/shield to use right?
high latch
You can craft every other week when you get a new spark
The only limit is that you can only have 2 embellished pieces.
You should actually have a spare spark now? Or have you crafted more than weap and shield (which are good first choices)?
lofty warren
Ohh you can have 6 crafted items equipped as long as they aren't embellish?
high latch
You can have all slots except 1 trinket be crafted technically
You wouldn't want that, but you can.
And I wouldn't recommend the crafted trinket. It's pretty bad.
lofty warren
Ohh that's good to know i have a spark sitting around now. Any reason to not put it on neck? That's still a champ track with bad secondaries
high latch
Sounds like a good choice to me.
orchid mural
Anyone have a good augment rune reminder for the permanent augment rune?
thorny quarry
does cursed stone idol drop for prot warrior
high latch
I use https://wago.io/jNjrKl3US for all my consumables and buffs. Don't know if it covers the permanent augment rune, but I think it does.
high latch
does cursed stone idol drop for prot warrior
It does not. You have to set your loot spec to arms or fury to have a chance of getting it.
lusty grotto
Ohh that's good to know i have a spark sitting around now. Any reason to not put...
do you have crafted weapon and shield?
or better?
lofty warren
Yes sir crafted and don't have any other myrhic weapon
lusty grotto
if so, craft bracers with embelishment
and remove any embelishments from weapon if they have them, with a recraft
lofty warren
Any reason to do that instead of neck? My weapon has some embellish. Guessing that the one going on the new craft is going to be different from the one on weapon?
round pendant
the charges from the little dudes hit hard as fuck if youre sitting, and while y...
Huh that's neat
high latch
The "correct" setup is to get a Myth shield and weapon, then craft embellished bracers and belt. Short term a neck would be much stronger.
lusty grotto
Any reason to do that instead of neck? My weapon has some embellish. Guessing th...
yes it'll be dawn/dusk
but since you can only equip 2 embelishments at a time, you need to remove your weapon's
lusty grotto
you cannot put dawn/dusk on neck, and you can farm neck in gambit or streets
lusty grotto
Since when does being seated make you take more damage
since vanilla
high latch
Being seated makes mobs 100% crit you. But didn't know being mounted does the same..
round pendant
I never knew that
high latch
Never heard that before.
lusty grotto
its not that you take more damage
its that you cant block/dodge etc, if you have an rsham and they are mounted they will get gibbed
if its any other healer aside from rsham/hpal and any dodge/parry minimal mechanics, you just prevent extra damage coming in and minimizing heals which will draw threat
there is zero reason to mount for that pull anyway, you have to wait for us or your tank which will most certainly not be mounted
lofty warren
You can't doge or block is enemy hits your butt too I think
lusty grotto
im glad you're retaining some stuff
lofty warren
If im lazy and don't want to waist time recrafting and just keep embellished as is. How much value is lost?
lusty grotto
you will have to do it eventually
so just get it done
but a crafted bracer with dawn or dusk will outsim a myth bracer
and you cant equip one if you have ascendance on your weapon
just find a blacksmith to do both
high latch
Ascendance is decent, but not optimal. For a solid answer you can sim it, but I would say very little.
For the simplest and biggest upgrade, craft neck. For the longer term gains craft bracer with thread and recraft away the embellishment on your sword.
high latch
You can farm one too. Both the Gambit one and Streets one is good.
lusty grotto
there's like 5 or 6 different drops
slender bison
How are you guys handling Assa rogues in general during pulls? I honestly dont know if the pull reset is worth it over the whole team overall procs for chain pulling
lusty grotto
try your best to drop combat
you shouldnt be doing ALL the time
but at least try to
thats it
slender bison
Agreed, but I got one who was crying reset after each 6-8 pack wtf
We got procs and momentum
high latch
They love restealthing between every pull so I try to accommodate that where possible, but if it slows you down too much don't.
lusty grotto
if youre already dropping combat, then his cries mean nothing
slender bison
No way you can please Assa rogue in Gambit until Titan boss trash
lusty grotto
you can, if they play their part
lusty grotto
if they go out of their way to kill runners
if they dont, then they have no business bitching about it
just let em yap
high latch
How I see it is that if you expect to only lose a few seconds of combat time by not chain pulling, then that is worth it for the assa to do their thing. But if you're losing like 20sec then no way.
dusky canopy
Rogues so mad at Dans logic
high latch
They can cry me a river, or go outlaw
dusky canopy
😂
lofty warren
I never stop pulling so that the rog can restealth maybe that's wrong but.. it's his problem he picked a spec that requires restealth and it's probably overall dps gain to keep on big pulling instead of stopping idk
high latch
That is wrong. Your group would overall gain a lot of damage if you allow them to restealth where it makes sense.
slender bison
How I see it is that if you expect to only lose a few seconds of combat time by ...
Yes, but take on-hands examples: Priory is a chain fest until Aemya and 1st boss. Dont get me started on Cathedral pulls. Unless heal is OOM. Floodgate also. Phys/Melee comp demands more stuff into the meat grinder. Resetting combat seems anti-pattern. Or maybe I just like Outlaw/Sub rogues idk
Gambit you can chain up until 1st boss
With big DPS uptime
Sometimes I think assa rogues are old mechanics from a pre-M+ world long gone
lofty warren
In gambit im I combat 100% between start and boss 1.. maybe that's why the rog was doing bad damage and I was getting mad at him
high latch
It also very much depends on your comp and the skill of your assa rogue. If they suck, then it doesn't matter anyway. Or if your group is entirely AoE padders, then you'll be stuck with that one tanky mob left for a minute if you want to drop combat for them.
lusty grotto
In gambit im I combat 100% between start and boss 1.. maybe that's why the rog w...
nah that aint it
high latch
Yep. Sounds about right.
slender bison
Nobody pulls at 0.01%. More like 30-40%, but got it
forest spindle
guys, I have Void Pactstone, Incorporeal Warpclaw, Sacbrood, and Secret Technique. all hero tracks. which one would best combine with myth Tome for m+ for Thane? i don't raid on war, so no access to raid trinkets. mostly caring about pumping big on trash ofc 
undone beacon
wheres the quote
lusty grotto
sim
undone beacon
dusky canopy
high latch
Nobody pulls at 0.01%. More like 30-40%, but got it
I was actually talking about the tanks that do wait to chain pull until their current pull is almost dead. Then it's probably a good idea to let your assa reset.
lusty grotto
LOL
lofty warren
lusty grotto
high latch
guys, I have Void Pactstone, Incorporeal Warpclaw, Sacbrood, and Secret Techniqu...
Sacbrood or Secret Technique. Probably the latter. But sim it like Nim said.
forest spindle
undone beacon
jagged grove
Yo, ima sound pretty dumb probably but couldnt find it in my talents or in the guide im following, does warr do something to reduce avatar cooldown?
It feels like it comes up only a couple secs after the thunderous roar
undone beacon
Look at the talent Anger Managment
crystal cypress
Hey folks, was wondering if someone knowledgeable could help me out with some gearing advice on my protection warrior. Atm still stuck on new 2-set + old 2-set. Got myth track tierpiece shoulders in vault, regular myth track chestpiece and then Tome of Light's Devotion on myth track (currently have heroic track Technique, Pacemaker and Sacbrood). Have old tierchest 684 and new heroic track tiershoulders. What do you think would net me the best upgrade? 🙂 Can make 4-set from next week even if I dont receive a piece in the vault.
neon elk
I would pick tome as thats gona be bis in 99% of time , u will most likely get another mythic armor along the way, tome not so much
sterile orbit
ah man idk how to link it but nimchip has a vault pick guide he posted
ya thats probably the choice if i remember right
crystal cypress
You really think that Tome is that good? I had it last season myth track but never really enjoyed it much in all honesty
Felt like pacemaker was more consistent with a defensive trinket in higher keys
neon elk
U dont need defensive trinket until very high keys , and tome is bis in ST, and thats what most keys are bricked at
But he its your sub , u do u
crystal cypress
Yeah that's true, planning on getting around to the higher keys though, last season highest I got was 18 and felt like the defensive trinkets were mandatory at that point tbh
Afaik no one really plays Tome for it's defensive verse yeah?
neon elk
Na u play it as dps trinket
Its defensive part is w/e
Also compared to last season u dont need defensive trinkets "that much"
sterile orbit
hahaha i was trying to find the link to the nimchip vault decision post dude has 203k messages and im on page 10 and gave up looking for it
crystal cypress
Yeah true, MT isn't nearly as ragestarved as colossus
crystal cypress
hahaha i was trying to find the link to the nimchip vault decision post dude has...
Appreciate you trying though 😄
Hmm, true, I do feel as if the higher ignore pain uptime is a blessing though, makes it a lot easier to manage heavy dmg
jagged grove
For tome of lights devotion we are looking for max crit side uptime, right?
undone beacon
Hey folks, was wondering if someone knowledgeable could help me out with some ge...
Yeah to mirror whats been said, Tome is a very powerful offensive trinket. Theres really not a lot of good defensive trinkets this season, and prot is naturally very tanky so grabbing a tome this early is huge
Take tome now and make 4pc next week and you will be juiced
crystal cypress
Gotcha, thanks for input, Pash 🙂
undone beacon
untold atlas
Getting back into Warrior here after a year or so off. Are we still stance weaving in keys/raid?
mellow bridge
the gain of going into bstance is SUPER small nowadays
you can do it if it's completely free dmg intake wise but if thinking about it makes you lose a few globals it's already not really worth it
it's just 3% crit chance
untold atlas
Damn. Okay. Makes sense. I was just hoping to weave and PUMP
undone beacon
Getting back into Warrior here after a year or so off. Are we still stance weavi...
Short answer: no. Long answer: not worth it
wanton mantle
Hello all. I was wondering if i could get a few tips to tank nexus king in hc as prot warr. With blizz kindly removing our spell block. I find sometimes difficult to survive the boss phase 1 tank mechanic, even with 24kk health, there are times were i pop more than one cd, including shield wall, and he still takes about 70% of my health with the attack. Specially on bad rng where he starts inmediatly with the soak on the other tank, forcing me to some times eat 2 frontal cones before my own soak.
mellow bridge
you can just spell reflect one frontal and not take any dmg
undone beacon
They removed the damage penalty from Dstance, so going to Bstance is losing like 15% free dr for... 3% crit. You can do it in raid to parse chimp but in keys its not worth
mellow yoke
Getting back into Warrior here after a year or so off. Are we still stance weavi...
I do Bstance in raid, just play defansives on tank busters
on weeklys im also in Bstance unless it's a really hard pull
but damage increase is minimal
jagged pier
Hello all. I was wondering if i could get a few tips to tank nexus king in hc as...
I mean if your taking 2 frontals your as tanks are doing something wrong, u jist taunt every cast and u can never get the same
untold atlas
Short answer: no. Long answer: not worth it
Thank you
undone beacon
Hello all. I was wondering if i could get a few tips to tank nexus king in hc as...
Make sure shield block is also up, vanquish has both a physical and a magic damage component
And yeah what Jakey said, there should never be a situation where you take 2 vanquishes
jagged pier
Make sure shield block is also up, vanquish has both a physical and a magic dama...
Thinking thats bloclable is funny
U should check the sheet
mellow yoke
Hello all. I was wondering if i could get a few tips to tank nexus king in hc as...
As tanks you gotta Taunt every mechanic
undone beacon
Thinking thats bloclable is funny
No way dont do this to me
mellow yoke
conquer 1 - taunt - vanquish 1 - taunt - vanquish 2 - taunt - conquer 2
undone beacon
I coulda sworn
jagged pier
No way dont do this to me
Check the sheet
There like 2 in the whole raid
That are blockable
undone beacon
Oh my god why
Wellll fuck you keep SB up anyways for shield slam damage bonus nerd
regal elm
Thoughts on this route for a 16?
jagged pier
But that mechanic is ither aabb, bbaa, abba or baab, it can never be abab so taunting every cast works
nocturne spindle
4 will kill someone
undone beacon
Thoughts on this route for a 16?
Looks pretty standard, other than double architect on 4. That sucks
nocturne spindle
undone beacon
I take the snipers + soldiers/hyenas next to pull 1 and drag them into 2 once snipers are handled
nocturne spindle
embrace the crabs
regal elm
we love crabs?
undone beacon
jagged pier
undone beacon
https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-da...
the only thing that bugs me about this gif is halondrus is standing on the water and not a beach
wanton mantle
conquer 1 - taunt - vanquish 1 - taunt - vanquish 2 - taunt - conquer 2
Thing is, the order its rng, quick, and taunt has an 8s cd. There was literally one time where one tank got the soak, i then pulled it from him, i got cleaved, he pulled it and then he got the second soak again, he had to adjust and run to my own group to soak it. Another time i got the first soak, he got the cleave, i pulled again, got the cleave, and then got the soak again because his taunt cd was still a little over 1s left when he casted.
Thats why we decided to then wait for soak before pulling, and remain with it until we got our own soak.
Some times giving us double cleave before soak.
undone beacon
Its designed to be a bit tight, you just taunt after the ability starts on the other tank
It wont swap mid cast
mellow yoke
Thing is, the order its rng, quick, and taunt has an 8s cd. There was literally ...
doesnt matter
taunt after every one
that's the way to go
and
taunt cd is good
cus inbetween
jagged pier
Its designed to be taunted every cast unless your really slow between the 2 of u there are no issues
undone beacon
Ye. Refer to my epic clip of my guilds first kill on heroic
(We are kinda bad but its okay)
undone beacon
The only issue with my raid clips is that I'm the raidlead so i have to listen to myself jabber on
strong forum
That a problem?
I love rewatching my clips cuz they're hilarious
Love my own content 
undone beacon
I have the nasally voice of a token cartoon nerd nome
lusty grotto
nobody likes their own voice
strong forum
I don't hate mine
lusty grotto
well narcissists do
undone beacon
Nome does it seems
strong forum
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undone beacon
hmmmm
lusty grotto
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strong forum
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undone beacon
strong forum
This one is just perfect foreshadowing
lusty grotto
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undone beacon
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obtuse ledge
hi i just started gearing my warrior, do i craft wep or shield first?
undone beacon
I raidlead because nobody else can be fucked to do callouts lol
undone beacon
hi i just started gearing my warrior, do i craft wep or shield first?
shield
lusty grotto
ive had so many of those happen
obtuse ledge
writhing armor band or duskthread
strong forum
I raidlead because nobody else can be fucked to do callouts lol
Ye I did the same thing back in SL
Generally you want both weapon + shield
mellow yoke
hi i just started gearing my warrior, do i craft wep or shield first?
shield, wep, then whatever item lvl is lowest
undone beacon
real men use pouch of grenades or whatever its called
the fantasy of randomly pulling a bomb out from behind your shield... peak
strong forum
Me in cod:mw2 be like behind my riot shield
wanton mantle
taunt after every one
But what about a bad rng order?. Like, i get soak, he pulls and get cleave, then i pull and get soak again. Can't that happen?
mellow yoke
But what about a bad rng order?. Like, i get soak, he pulls and get cleave, then...
Impossible
there's a preset of combinations
that the boss does
warped forge
Maybe dumb question, but as earthen is stam or haste better with the ingest mineral racial?
lusty grotto
if you taunt every time it resolves without going twice on the same tank
run those 4 patterns through your head with a taunt on each one, nobody gets the same one
toxic pewter
Can spell reflect toward end of cast of frontal and it will deflect both frontals you happen to take two frontals in a row
lusty grotto
Maybe dumb question, but as earthen is stam or haste better with the ingest mine...
stam is never better
ever
warped forge
Ok 👌
toxic pewter
They can’t eat normal food as far as I know right
mellow yoke
yeah but
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter how much it gives
mellow yoke
im not saying stam is better
lusty grotto
theres no benefit from going stam
mellow yoke
just curious how much it gives
obtuse egret
We want the heavy mastery raid ring?
neon elk
Kinda depends what your other stats are
lusty grotto
sim angle yea
neon elk
But u dont need it for its efect ( if we talk about that ring)
Or that one is haste heavy ?
mellow yoke
what types of damage are counted as cosmic damage
obtuse egret
sim angle yea
We sim 5 target patchwerk for that too?
obtuse egret
m+ I mean
lusty grotto
i mean sure but it doesnt matter
mellow yoke
5 target patchwerk 1.5 mins or 1 min
lusty grotto
if youre worried about raid loot, youre running droptimizer
neon elk
Just sim ST and make your life easier
lusty grotto
and if thats the case 1t 5min or 3min is fine
obtuse egret
Is there a rough number of mastery we want to hit?
lusty grotto
no
mellow yoke
no
lusty grotto
numbers are whatever sims suggest
obtuse egret
Noted, thank you
lusty grotto
theres no target points for secondaries
outside of 27k for haste
which should be your hard stop
obtuse egret
Noted, thanks for the help. I just got the haste vers ring from Hard mode tasavesh, will help my
stats
icy haven
tanking low keys is a certain type of hell that cant quite be described
strong forum
The type of keys where you are 50% of the entire groups damage and nobody else uses a single kick or cc?
icy haven
thats the one
strong forum
Love those
neon elk
Sadly such runs are even in higher keys ,people either dont CC or they all CC at once
tribal wharf
if they ever put classic shadowlands in again i would probably play it
knowing all the things i know now
toxic pewter
shadowlands owned
tribal wharf
its like classic wow ( i dont play, cuz i played 2004 wow, before chained flight paths)
it was better in its final form where they released classic with the later patch
and shadowlands was slightyl more tolerable in final patch as well
formal kernel
hey guys does hekilli work for prot? like just for your basic damage rotation, I know defensive cooldowns and such should be managed separately
tribal wharf
like, it would probably be absolute hell for developer, but theres so many dungeons at this point could have all of the keystones be from different old expansion, and you'd still never see repeats for weeks, hell cuz youd have to like tune them, add a curse to this pack remove a curse from that pack
mellow yoke
I think wow has to focus on 1 or max 2 versions of the game
Like at the start of this season
Anniversary realms got Ahn Qiraj
MoP released
and that just splits up the playerbase
neon elk
Another tuning without nerf
torn gulch
shadowlands with the ripcord pulled from the start and without conduit power slaps
mighty valley
shadowlands with a few months shaved off the middle patch too
odd heath
Is 'Everforged Longsword" a good choice of 1H for crafting with spark ? 🙂
warm plinth
well, it seems that the people who thought it was harder to get 3k this season were not imagining things. I was mathing some math and apparently they reduced the score from 11 to 12 by 5 points, so every key 12 and higher actually gives 5 less points than last season
lusty grotto
Is 'Everforged Longsword" a good choice of 1H for crafting with spark ? 🙂
sure
any 1h is
warm plinth
Is 'Everforged Longsword" a good choice of 1H for crafting with spark ? 🙂
Doesn't matter which everforged weapon you pick; they're the same
lusty grotto
as long as it has strength
warm plinth
Yes, was about to say that XD
wanton mantle
good to know, thanks for this info
another small question, not sure if this happens often or is it just me. Some times i taunt a boss for a swap mechanic while they are casting something, but they don't take the taunt and continue attacking their current target. anyone knows why this happens?. It happened to me several times both in phase 1 and when trying to pull it off the other tank on the bite/breath mechanic.
obtuse egret
Suprised there is no prot warrior damage nerf. Expecting more tuning for sure on the top boys
warm vale
they'll send us back to the dumpster soon enough
warm plinth
when was the last time we were dumpster lol
obtuse egret
yeah im surprised
chrome falcon
there are 0 nerfs in this tuning pass
the nerfs will come
they've only posted the buffs
stuck lance
another small question, not sure if this happens often or is it just me. Some ti...
If you’re being out DPS’d significantly, the taunt will only hold for a second or so as your aggro won’t be high enough.
warm vale
last time shadowlands?
warm plinth
Like...S1 shadowlands? When every tank besides VDH "sucked" (but in reality everything was just overtuned and VDH was the best at kiting)
obtuse egret
they've only posted the buffs
right, they targeted the floor, not the top
warm plinth
as they should generally do outside of egregiousness
azure crag
Shadowlands S1 was genuinely one of the worst seasons of M+ I've ever played
mellow yoke
right there next to SL S4 and DF S4
azure crag
No idea about SL season 4, I left after S2 was nearly as bad. And after the sylvanas raid had drained my will to live
warm vale
500 runs of necrotic wake and i only got the mount from the quantum box in dragonflight :(
mighty valley
sorry to remind everyone that that was five years ago
lusty grotto
another small question, not sure if this happens often or is it just me. Some ti...
it happens in loomi
but dont worry too much about it
its just loomi and saladbar because the taunts are fast and have a tight window
sudden lynx
