protection

[harsh trellis]

But yes too many casters is bad

you get one of those Kul tirans with a group of casters youre gonna have a bad day

[lime spruce]

Has anyone else had similar experiences valuing reliability and clarity, am I overvaluing it here, are casters just that bad and are pugs in the 8-10 range better than I'm giving them credit for if I did the actual efficient routes

[plush tendon]

you should play well

like, efficient pulls tend to also be the easiest

but if you want clarity, literally just press W and dont think

[lime spruce]

yeah fair enough I'll play around with both approaches, ty

[plush tendon]

but in the 8-9 key range, you are basically just rolling dice on your group anyways

youll get good players, youll get bad players

routing almost doesnt matter

[lime spruce]

Yeah, makes sense

[forest spindle]

I do same things all the time lol. I farm 8-10s across multiple tank characters and not pushing for anything else, and I also only play with pugs. So for me same as you the most-important criteria is:

• low chance of bodypulls;
• low cc/interrupt requirements;
• fool proof for any group composition.

[plush tendon]

your best bet, if you are comfortable in your own skill, is limiting number of kicks (AKA, things that hit party members) or required CCs

and removing as many healer checks as you can

there really not many skips you can do in these dungeons anyways

like, there may be a handful, but nothing gamebreaking

but again, being in the 8-9 range, you are sort of behind the curve

most 'good' players are doing 10s or 12s (to avoid the weekly affix)

[grim pilot]

Weekly affix is cool

Its mostly for more crests

[plush tendon]

9s are pretty cancer; its a weird key level where rewards are the same as 8, but you dont get the box like a 10

[plush tendon]

people I play with like 12s for weekly

dont want to deal with the affix nonsesnse

and things live longer

so you can actually play your class

nothing worse then dropping your infernal, getting ready to lay on lots of rains of fire.... and everything is already dead

also, if you are doing 8s and 9s, you want to pick classes that have frequent damage CDs

avoid shit that relies on 2min or 3min

things like Ret Paladin, Fury Warrior, FDK really good there

also helps they are super durable naturally

[forest spindle]

i think the obvious advantage of 12s beside no weekly affix is also that it is resilient, meaning if you get all 12s done and you then start getting weekly 12+ key - well, that kinda adds value actually

i think i should push to 12s too

[lime spruce]

Yeah I think I’ve put 10s on a pedastal

[plush tendon]

having all 12s done also makes getting to other peoples 10s, 11s, 12s easier

[lime spruce]

“What do you mean BOTH tyran and fort???” quakes in boots

[plush tendon]

yea, get rid of that mindset

[lime spruce]

Just how much of a jump is it really

[plush tendon]

I probably cant empathsize with your situation; i was doing 10s, 11s and 12s night one of the tier

[harsh trellis]

its actually not

12s are easier

[plush tendon]

so to me, 10s are nothing

[harsh trellis]

because you dont have to worry about the affix at all

[lime spruce]

What was your ilvl

[plush tendon]

690

[harsh trellis]

my ilvl is 711 atm

[lime spruce]

lol okay I need to just go for it then

[plush tendon]

yea, just send it

people are doing 19s right now

[harsh trellis]

Just go down the list and time everything at your current level

[plush tendon]

I believe you can do 10s, 11s, and 12s

[harsh trellis]

then go up a level

[plush tendon]

plus, the players in that key range are much better then those in the single digits

[harsh trellis]

Go do gambit for starters just because its free

[lime spruce]

Yeah that’s a big reason

Which is also probably what’s feeding my feeling of not being ready yet

Even though I’m 700

[plush tendon]

yea, just send it

keep pushing your own key

[slender bison]

After 14 it's not about the tank it's about the DPS. Just don't do shit pulls and waste DPS cooldowns on 3 packs

[plush tendon]

and do whatever level it lands on

worst thing that happens is that you fail it, and just go again

[harsh trellis]

Also this season is about funneling shit into bosses

[tribal wharf]

i think i liked soleahs gambit alot, but that it meant having to pull that boss rooms trash and fight that boss

which was a pain to fight before

[plush tendon]

are you talking first boss?

IDK if I can pull all 4 of the guardians on Halbrand

we run a melee heavy comp

seems like literally aids

[harsh trellis]

OH not with a melee comp

with 1 melee yes

[plush tendon]

yea, we tring FDK, Ret, Shadow

[harsh trellis]

but if you run a caster group... hell yeah pull that shit into the first boss there

[plush tendon]

Ret prob swapping to Havoc at some point this season

[forest spindle]

but failing own key and getting it depleted feels especially bad bois lol

[plush tendon]

sometimes the shadow aint online so we got a WW

[plush tendon]

it does.... but key reset each week

[elder thorn]

If i always pick a player with haste for So'Leah's secret technique, should I just equip the miniscule mailemental trinket instead?

[plush tendon]

and, honestly, if you have that mindset.... will you ever run your own key?

or you just waiting for Monday night

[plush tendon]

you arent taking into account the 7k prim stat

something the envelope doesnt have

plus, hasnt that trinket been nerf for tanks?

it was stupid strong early this season, but I think they slapped the -30% damage modifier on it

[elder thorn]

Shit you're right I didn't think about the strength. thanks for letting me know

[tribal wharf]

i uh... i seem to recall back in SL i guess it was at least, that wasnt mail trinket dog shit?

[plush tendon]

Soleahs is a strong mid tier trinket

you arent mad you have it, though there is better stuff

[dawn furnace]

that was only the mastery trinket iirc

[tribal wharf]

soleahs i always thought was mid cuz stat stick, but a good one?

[plush tendon]

yea, its fine

[tribal wharf]

so like, average trinket at best really what i thought of it

[plush tendon]

you rather have Aetenna or Pacemaker

but, if you have a Soleah's, you are more like 'ok, one trinket slot is ok for now'

I can move on and do other stuff

[tribal wharf]

soleahs is great for set it and forget it

[plush tendon]

I think most M+ only players are eyeing Tome+Pace

Im running Brand+Pace

[tribal wharf]

just macro it to healer or whatever in keys dedicated dude in raid for i want X stat

[slender bison]

Soleahs won't keep you alive at Dailcry

[elder thorn]

I have the pacemaker in my other slot

[plush tendon]

yea, Pacemaker and Soleahs is a fine combo

[tribal wharf]

there was so many cursed trinkets i tried

[plush tendon]

there are a lot of decent trinkets this tier

[slender bison]

Mud is still king

[plush tendon]

like 3-4 good trinkets out of raid

and like 4-5 trinkets from dungeons

any combo of those you are feeling alright

but im also someone who is against farming X dungeon 20+ times till I get Y trinket

[harsh trellis]

I wish the dimensius ring was a tank only roll

[plush tendon]

the cosmic shield one?

I feel like thats better on DPS

its a great ring for us stat wise, but if im gearing a raid group for prog, Im giving that ring to dps and healers first

[tribal wharf]

i know for fact there was at least 1 keystone i did this

[plush tendon]

[tribal wharf]

to some poor healers

[grim pilot]

Idk idm and I played a lot of weeklies on arcane last season

[severe orbit]

Does anyone have an execute patchwork sim where the dummy deals damge? Doing 'Execute patchwork' it doesn't hit me causing trinkets to not stack

[grim pilot]

I liked the fact that u could wait a bit for affix

Lust

And demolish the boss solo

Whereas on 12 its a bit harder

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/inigo-montoya-the-princess-bride-i-hate-waiting-impatient-wait-gif-13205750

[ocean smelt]

I always find this argument so weird, like, excluding some spawn at some particular moment during bosses that I agree can be annoying, the so called affix is literally a buff lol

[lime spruce]

@plush tendon where do you get your routes that you use for the 12s+

/ which ones do you use, like the raider.io pug route or the expert ones, etc

[plush tendon]

Its early season, so I just made my own

and saw what worked

but they get some influence by seeing what top players do or asking people what they do

and adjusting to what makes sense for me/my group

plus, I have done most of these dungeons before

the only new one is Eco

[wide charm]

haven't read, joining mid conversation -- we are talkign about the Emissary that spawns in 2-11s?
It sucks because there are times where your healer might want to sit down to drink and the damn thing spawns as the pull is ending so now you have to stand there for 10 seconds waiting for it to spawn and then killing it, then wasting a part of the buff while you give them a couple seconds to drink

I too would also just rather do 12+ and never have to see it.

[lime spruce]

Thanks fam

What Prot war streamers / VODs would you recommend

[plush tendon]

I like Kira, but what he does is prob not applicable to what your doing

since he posts runs for top keys

[wide charm]

If you are new watch Quazii, dude is goated for the basics for sure -- youtube

[lime spruce]

Fair, I’d still watch to learn other fundamentals though

[plush tendon]

yea, Quazii is cool

he used to do the weekly tip in DF

I think Yoda also has routes posted somewhere (incuding basic pug routes)

which can be a good starting point

[lime spruce]

Yeah I’ve seen his on Raider Io

[plush tendon]

I just wouldnt try and emmulate their top key routes

thats when you add complication which is only really needed when pushing those top IO keys

[warm plinth]

I like looking at the raider.io auto routes

It does some weird shit to them

[plush tendon]

yea, its not very good

I also find that keystoneguru lags a lot

I prefer threechest now

it runs smoother

on browser

[warm plinth]

Like yeah they obviously didn't pull the groundskeeper right here; they pulled the one that's part of this pack halfway across the dungeon!

You can just copy the string and put it in threechest anyway. Keystoneguru sucks ass

Always has, but it was the only option for a long time

[plush tendon]

Im trying to figure out if this pull is illegal or not

we have a 15 HoA and we are gonna run the left first route for

but this pull seems fun AF

[reef matrix]

You get an answer to this yet?

saw it early but was in a meeting

try this on a standard patchwerk Advanced Sim:

# Custom Enemies
enemy=No_Ret_Paladins
actions=auto_attack,damage=500,range=100,attack_speed=1.6
enemy_initial_health_percentage=20

I think the execute patchwerk wipes out the tank override (Tank Pillows hit back)

[warm plinth]

I'm sure high key groups could pull it off. Just los by the shard to group everything

[polar patio]

its not, has been played in previous xpacs and can be played now. give it 2-3 weeks / some more myth raiding

[warm plinth]

People used to do double shard pulls in the MDI

[plush tendon]

yea, I remember this was done in SL

but that was back in the day when the bolts hit just the tank

Im scared of people just getting shot, into a missed kick

and being dead

[polar patio]

doubt you can ever compare mdi pulls with retail pulls on roughly 75% of stuff.

[polar patio]

i mean, isnt that the fun part of being in scrum type enviroment?

[warm plinth]

Well i wouldn't do it in a pug haha. Bolts and siphons would probably merc people

[plush tendon]

this is kind of how I see myself pulling halls once we get closer to max gear

[warm plinth]

You'd need coordinated stops

[plush tendon]

or at least, ideally what id liked to do

[polar patio]

its not even that, people cant even dodge circles on the ground

blue last shard just alyways givess you nasty snooze tiume prior to boss

[plush tendon]

but my friend think they are gonna nerf the % needed in halls

its kind of feels bad

[warm plinth]

I doubt that first pull will ever be a normal pull in any but the highest keys. The rest looks fine though.

[polar patio]

maybe try grabbing right side instead of left so you can actually do stuff while you wait

[lunar flare]

Pull 1 is WILD

[plush tendon]

yea, this will be when we ready to push for title keys

just trying to keep up with the bottom of the cutoff right now

[warm plinth]

I mean like bleeding edge keys, not title keys

[plush tendon]

until the bois are done with CE prog

[plush tendon]

but the pull looks so fun

[lunar flare]

raiding

kek

I'll only go for CE when the reward is a signed photo of Ion that I can hang in my new Midnight house

[warm plinth]

Just try it when you got like a resil 18 or something toward the end of the season XD

[plush tendon]

I mean, I think title keys will be 21/22

maybe a little higher once turbo is out

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure they learned their lesson putting references of any kind of employees in the game heh

[plush tendon]

Id like to reach the 'title resil' early and maybe sell it

[lunar flare]

True tbf

[plush tendon]

the cuts on those resil keys are nice

[polar patio]

i guess you can if you can

cant even find 4 mentally stable people to do more than one dungeon

lmao

[plush tendon]

yea, the last two weeks were washed for key pushing

the bois were out for labor day weekend

and GF shit this weekend

so, we just hanging out till they back

[vocal flame]

Hey All! I am confused is there any reason why the haste crit ring would sim 27k DPS lower than a Mastery one?? so odd. I know the ilevel sucks but all I got lol

[plush tendon]

plus we lose 3 nights to their raid prog

but they on Nexus King now... so prob by mid October they will be done and on that 1-2 night a week schedule

[plush tendon]

you have low mastery, so its valued higher atm

[severe orbit]

Lovely thank you that did the trick

[vocal flame]

ah ok

thank you

[warm plinth]

I mean 27k is like... a really small amount. But if you have a lot of haste and crit and not much mastery, it makes perfect sense.

You should probably check the relative dps box on your sims

[vocal flame]

yeah thats true

[reef matrix]

27k in one slot (low prio slot too) is quite a bit

[vocal flame]

where would I see that?

[reef matrix]

that's close to 500k if you upgraded every slot by that much

[amber crescent]

how hard is prot warrior for a first tank?

[plush tendon]

very easy

youll have a fun time

in terms of difficulty

its like bear and prot war as easiest

VDH and Monk are prob next

and Id say Paladin and BDK are the hardest

[amber crescent]

✍️ ✍️

[plush tendon]

but none are super hard to learn; tanks are pretty easy compared to other specs

[nocturne spindle]

Just make sure to always leap directly into packs when you play vdh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/big2.gif?=&width=768&height=960

The optimal vdh play

[plush tendon]

LOL

wheres the GiF of the DH in RLP?

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

so much to love in this gif

[polar patio]

its so funny to me

its like warrior leaping through pack

to chain and die

from backshots like the dog they are

[plush tendon]

My VDH feels pretty meh this season

[deep steppe]

I love when these get reposted. My co-tank is a DH so its gold to me

[fathom turret]

Hey guys I’m enjoying pugging my way as prot this season with most 13s timed, I’d like bring a bit more dmg overall, any tldr on things to focus? Spam TClap? Roar only on 5+? Revenge?

[plush tendon]

Ive had the most fun on Prot War and Prot Pal

which I cant believe; im usually a prot pal doomer

especially cause I hate lightsmith

[polar patio]

dont try to overspent on IP in panic

[plush tendon]

logs would be helpful

to see whats going on

but if you are pressing your buttons on CD and not wasting rage, you should be alright

[polar patio]

maybe inefficient vo usage

never know

and yet here i am, wishing every season they would make tough as nails giga op so i can just zone out in dungeons.

[lime spruce]

Why Paladin that high? I found them real easy esp w/ all the free interrupting, for me Brew is a lot harder, might just be my brain though

[polar patio]

both are locked in place by baseline skills

not for everyone

[mellow yoke]

this person advertised his app that gets your warcraft logs and gives you feedback based on top players of your spec, you might try it

https://www.leetspeak.gg/

[polar patio]

https://tenor.com/view/wyaking-gif-9712475764034023502

[mellow yoke]

u can find it in #promotion

[polar patio]

please clap floor to keep rend up when running from boss to next pack in tazavesh

seems accurate

[plush tendon]

Paladin is punishing if you screw up your defensive cd rotation

[lime spruce]

Ah okay that’s fair

[plush tendon]

SoTR is never enough

[polar patio]

who

[lime spruce]

Planning on leveling a DH for Legion Remix and getting into the Veng game

[polar patio]

bdk all the way

[mellow yoke]

I remember

last season

[lime spruce]

BDK just has a few too many buttons for me still

[mellow yoke]

playing 1st boss on PSF with paladin

I was begging for my life

[plush tendon]

Yea, it’s rough

But they feel decent right now

[mellow yoke]

and

you drop your SOTR for 1 sec

[urban portal]

Nice ai

[mellow yoke]

and ur dying

[nocturne spindle]

26 cpm

damn

lmao

[mellow yoke]

The person is still developing it, obviously it's got some flaws

[polar patio]

yes, shift away from basically your 4pc into the unbuffed spell

bet you even ran mt that key

lmao

[silver tangle]

Should I just stand in defence stance at the beginning?

[undone beacon]

i just feed my logs into chatgpt straight and ask it what im doing wrong

[polar patio]

showcase tyvm

interested to see which reddit mobafire advise chat gpt will dig out

you have 2h sword, maybe try speccing into sword specialization for chance to double hit

[undone beacon]

"🛡️ Key Observations
✅ What You're Doing Well

Thunder Blast (likely from a trinket or a dungeon-specific power) is carrying your damage. You are maximizing its usage well with 362 casts, which is impressive.

Execute uptime and usage are solid, especially considering it's a niche ability for a Prot Warrior.

Shield Slam and Thunder Clap are being used frequently and have solid contributions to your DPS — both are staples of the Prot Warrior rotation.

Deep Wounds has excellent uptime at 92.90%, showing good rotational discipline."

[polar patio]

i mean

[mighty valley]

the thunder blast trinket is definitely bis

[polar patio]

and that dungeon specific power

maybe he plays turtle WoW

[little meadow]

what's the thunder blast trinket?

[undone beacon]

Whole thing is way too long and would spam up the channel smh

[polar patio]

yeah

anyone got WA for SD Procs that screams at me

[mighty valley]

i'm making fun of the ai rotation helper thing pash just posted, where it states that Thunder Blast is a trinket or dungeon power

[polar patio]

tried copying from Fury Pack but it just screams whenever

[little meadow]

🤣

[polar patio]

accurate still wrong

[lime spruce]

Still waiting for my Deep Wounds trinket to drop

[polar patio]

i saw some builds dropping BSC for SD / Bloodsurge

do we have a clear winner on that?

[round pendant]

general log question

is there a way to check how long people are sitting on capped charges on spells

[polar patio]

like WL double conflag? or mage full AC

[round pendant]

priest holy words, pain suppr, etc

pain suppr is a bit diff but like

[jagged pier]

well u can see when they cast it

[polar patio]

i mean

yeah

[jagged pier]

or how many times

and calulate how many casts they could have gotten

[round pendant]

I feel like my buddy doesn't use his holy words enough and it's prob cause he's holding them unnecessarily

because he refuses to use WAs to track anything lmao

[polar patio]

but then again, wouldnt do on external DRs because they are situational, rather sit PS thanuse for last 2 mobs on pack

[polar patio]

provide log i look into it

[round pendant]

yeah ps is a bad example but you should still be pretty loosey with that first charge

imo

[polar patio]

cant pug 12s today anymore, tried to get eco trinket on wl 12 times and my brain just hurts from people

rather look at data sheets

[round pendant]

It's hard cause there's CDR on holy words

but yeah

[polar patio]

not that hard

base cd - haste cdr - base cdr from spell usage (flash heal and stuff)

apothesis booster

if he has 10 uses per dungeon

you might suggest trying to play with his teeth in the keyboard next

then again he can just move a secondary bar close to the middle of the screen and put the keys there if he is overwhelmed by weakauras

[round pendant]

He's not that bad, good enough for 12s at least

just some really sketchy spots during big dam moments

mainly swampface and mailroom boss on streets

[polar patio]

as holy priest?

[round pendant]

yea

[polar patio]

swamp sucks ass for every healer

[round pendant]

it was free when I did it as disc last season

lmao

[polar patio]

because disc last season did billions of shield for free

[round pendant]

shhh we don't talk about that

[polar patio]

then again

holy always bit whack

iirc you dont really run AoE talents for m+ with high haste vers

gotta manage cds better and he should be fine

[round pendant]

yeah it's really quite terrible for m+

[polar patio]

its the last healer that does not really have passive healing

monk does bonk for healing

druid basically leafblowers

and pally is like i heal one target and god the other 4

so yeah

and we dont talk about the other 2

but as said

if he uses apo first big nuke

he can basically

hw into fh fh hw

other than that

he can always let one person die with GA

on purpose

[blazing shuttle]

I'm seeing mpore and more people play without Shield Specialization. Why's that?

[mighty valley]

the belief is that melee damage doesn't threaten our life that bad and other talents do more for us

many people here are skeptical

the real reason is "some popular streamers dropped it and people copy them"

[blazing shuttle]

I see.

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah. What I'm feeling, mostly.

[dense remnant]

how do prot warriors generally do plexus sentinel bomb drop offs? im just so used to cloaking through wall, dropping it in shit and tping back through the wall on monk

[pure pebble]

Anyone know of a weakaura pack for the raid that doesnt require like 3 different things and anchors n stuff to make it work? I kinda just want something that works for a HC pug that tells me when to taunt and such

[nocturne spindle]

drop it off as far as you can and run back

no special anything

[dense remnant]

so towards the entrance?

[past oxide]

Tell that to the prot that flopped to white swings on first pull in my flood +17

according to him it was the healer's fault he got globaled ":D"

[mighty valley]

did they have shield spec?

[reef matrix]

mythic right? Which bombs are you doing in each set?

[past oxide]

nopers

[orchid shuttle]

someone has a wa/addon to track all my absord in ones ?
not like this

[sinful copper]

is double dusk fine for M+ still? or i want ascension?

[drowsy shale]

Hero leap walk walk walk shield wall run back

[dense remnant]

ye mythic, and we generally dont have any exact set bombs, but as i said im used to taking the bombs towards the next boss, not towards the entrance

[pure pebble]

I dropped bloodsurge for it, is there something else I should drop? I feel like I usually have enough rage for what I need it for

[dense remnant]

was wondering if prot war easily lives that wall natty every time

[pure pebble]

forgot to reply to the post, I mean the shieldspecilization talent

[mighty valley]

bloodsurge is a totally fine thing to drop, there are a few other flexible points

like how many execute talents you want to take etc

[pure pebble]

basically none atm. I'm new to warrior tanking so I went safe instead

[mighty valley]

the wowhead weekly key and push key builds are basically the two to switch between

depending on how safe you want to be

[warped forge]

Are there any beneficial profession for prot or just pick w/e?

[reef matrix]

Tailoring for arakara stun if your group doesnt have it, engi for boost, alch for longer flasks because im poor

[warped forge]

Thanks! 🙂

[nocturne spindle]

blacksmith to repair all your shit

[silk cave]

anyone have builds to kill a princess kyveza "??"

[jagged pier]

ST othane

is fine

[orchid shuttle]

any ideads how i track all my absord ?

[blazing ridge]

guys a friend of me is on vacation, can i safely log onto the char and do 1-2 keys with it for his vault?

[lunar flare]

Is your friend in Instant Dollars

[royal mist]

Just do it for them to get CE. No biggy

[vagrant echo]

Any guidance for switching to the new tier?

[lime spruce]

The FBI will get alerted and you’ll be on the ground in minutes

[rough egret]

get 4p and enjoy the blast

[vagrant echo]

Should I lose old 4p for new 2p?

[jagged pier]

ye u go 2pc 2pc

[lime spruce]

Truly, our 4pc is very fun

[rough egret]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8R8U42zyw5U24VDPdYqVyP cant decice what to craft, its either ring/belt or boots, sims are favoriing ring cus of verse that sims the best.. curently at 25k haste

[jagged pier]

sim it

[lilac widget]

yo guys, how do i sim a crafted item, that i havent crafted yet?

[jagged pier]

u add them

[lilac widget]

trying to check what stats to put on a piece now that we have loads of crit/haste

in top gear?

[lilac widget]

ohhh, thankyou so much

[hexed spoke]

Could you pass me some WA for the reflect spell, thanks.

[lilac widget]

it will not let me upgrade it over 707

even with maxed crests/valor/sparks

[lusty grotto]

uhh it should

[lusty grotto]

brother, you need to add the correct ilvl when you do the item search

[lilac widget]

oh my god im sorry

[lusty grotto]

its 720 for gilded

[lilac widget]

its been a long day

[mellow yoke]

is tinker slot useful

cus I kinda want to craft clanking cuffs cause I need to get some more haste in

[terse scroll]

You can probably do this through your unit frames if you set them up to show EHP.

[lilac widget]

haste and vers and haste and mastery coming up above crit 🙁

im praying the sim goes same way for arms

[round pawn]

hey guys which addon to use for spell reflect announcement?

[lusty grotto]

it will if youre heavy crit

[lusty grotto]

none

plater

but people use a WA

that may or may not be good depending on the season

COUGHHALLSOFINFUSIONCOUGH

[round pawn]

ah ok

[lusty grotto]

if youre looking for one just search in the channel, i dont really have the link handy

[lunar flare]

I had erased all memory of that shithole from my mind

Yet the name alone triggers PTSD flashbacks

[lusty grotto]

shit dungeon for sure but, the reflect was good

when done correctly and not via the WA

[round pawn]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9 this one good?

[undone beacon]

Reflecting the beam on the last boss made halls worth it

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the one that gets shared

[round pawn]

kk nice thx

[shrewd grove]

Shadowed Unit Frames has an additional mod you can download called "Inline Heal/Absorb" I believe, and it will show an overlay on your character hp bar with the absorb amount

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say worth it, but almost for sure

[undone beacon]

idk always made me giggle like a gremlin to beam that nerd

rest of the dungeon was whatever

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[undone beacon]

pugs sucked at third boss somehow

Despite it being super simple

[lusty grotto]

tbf the heal check was brutal

[undone beacon]

I just meant watching people stand behind cracked ice blocks and dying

All my healer friends said they loved that boss beacuse it was an actual heal check but

[lusty grotto]

the one dungeon that everyone hates but the reflects actually made up for it was Nokhud

[undone beacon]

DPS brain go brrr

[lunar flare]

Yes but check the description, he links a S3 specific one which is more lightweight

[urban lotus]

Hey question is there some kind of bug with z axis

[undone beacon]

I get boo'ed for it but I enjoyed Nokhud

[urban lotus]

Where if you are above your mob ever so slightly

[lusty grotto]

i did like it as well

[urban lotus]

You cannot block

[lunar flare]

You deserve every boo you get tbh

[undone beacon]

Bring back Tol'dagor, Seat of the Trium, and Nokhud all in the same season. Maybe WoD auchindoun too

[urban lotus]

On certain ledges or something

[lusty grotto]

yes thats always been the case

on ledges no

z-axis'ed on the air yes

[urban lotus]

How big is that z axis thing

Coz i caught on camera a case where that happened on big momma

[lusty grotto]

unless a ledge is kinda bugged and for some reason its being represented as being in the air

no idea

[urban lotus]

Shield block was on

Went from healthy to insta splat

[lusty grotto]

but it happened in sprocket a lot

and in previous raids/expansions

[urban lotus]

Ok ty

[lusty grotto]

its just a huge edge case

so it never gets looked at

it was fairly simple to reproduce on sprocket, but on older things it was more difficult to do so

[undone beacon]

huge edge case is what they called me in college

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

A wild fury gamer has appeared

[lusty grotto]

thats a goated gif

[undone beacon]

thats giga

[dusky canopy]

Courtesy Krispy fish

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

Curtis's Krispy Fish

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

Bro my phone

Lmfao

Types what it wants!!

[undone beacon]

Starting a seafood shack in the midwest called Curtis's Crispy Carps

[dusky canopy]

Yuck dude! Consuming carp!?

Maybe I’m un cultured

[undone beacon]

Give me a better C for the alliteration then NERD

[dusky canopy]

CRAB

[undone beacon]

Oh right

I'm kosher I forgot people eat those

[dusky canopy]

Bro it’s right there

In your name

[undone beacon]

CRABS ARE MY FRIENDS

they are
my favorite animal

https://tenor.com/view/flying-crab-gif-6674298504279101605

[lunar flare]

What do you like most about them

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[undone beacon]

They are silly little scuttling bastards with epic claws whats not to love

Plus, Carcinisation is a thing

[lunar flare]

I can hear this gif

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[undone beacon]

saved forever

[dusky canopy]

There it is!!

I was digging but I couldn’t find it

[lunar flare]

does anyone know where i can grab an omnicd profile that tracks major offfensive CDs for each spec?

[fathom oasis]

Good ol hallondrus

[lunar flare]

to save me the mental anguish of manually ticking each box myself

[solid sun]

Do you eat crab, @undone beacon

Or is it firmly off the menu since it is your favorite animal

[fathom oasis]

I always reflect the shield on the second boss of priory, but it doesnt feel all that satisfying tbh

[undone beacon]

Its off the menu because I keep kosher :P

[lusty grotto]

wat

i dont think its even remotely similar

but i guess that's what youre saying

none of the priory reflects are anywhere close to HoI's, Nokhud's or even NL

[undone beacon]

Halls SR was satisfying because it did a fuck ton of dam back to boss, same with nokhud

[lusty grotto]

i think that era is just over

[mighty valley]

last boss theater of pain... remember what they took from us...

[undone beacon]

The closest this season we have is third boss of HoA

[lusty grotto]

people madge reflect did a ton of dmg

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[undone beacon]

SR does work on those anima bolts

[solid sun]

Third boss HoA is so good

[lusty grotto]

yeah but still

[undone beacon]

I have to tell pugs "no ints plz"

[solid sun]

Provided you don’t get griefed by your “friends”

[lusty grotto]

its like Murrpray reflects

[mighty valley]

yeah, in a weekly i'd rather just say no interrupts at all and eat every 3rd one

[lusty grotto]

idk they dont have the same Pog factor

[undone beacon]

thats what I do

Theres not much to use defensives on for 3rd boss anyways so

[lusty grotto]

at least they kept NL dargrul reflects on DF

i wonder if Sethraliss will show up again and if we'll have nado reflects back

plsblizzard

onlyfunpartofthatdungeon

gibestrongmanlyreflectpls

[solid sun]

Are you raiding nimchip

Or are you still on the bench

[lusty grotto]

im benched

[lofty glen]

@fathom oasis @torpid dome !Tr1spokmm4)snfOfUUpomxOJ2uThMdrckoJy3mWkAYSZ(VFJDEuh0ifHGe)9W2XOeQRk50SwpFZzS)t1loOK)fGF7FtjhMMwx(jSDFEDr1300QKRJ)cUzV7HzvY3hmoaz4MBBdwSp7mgpWM8gs3ObEhmeBBZA7fT(oqW7feh2CSFZT8kSU800h(Ze(4Ta828YRQrL8oy8QIUGaIs4b(hVCzQspW1rAvHll(A5bwC)0wO(RM1nLuRRaTMbiesnHQHO7eNUkoreR1FcRiNDal0qiTeRN58vVZlvak7dg7f1XkwsOWzDfQ1H5q2jKTAyFe)8Ho6ruhb36wmrVwKbymNtHeQivu(loYDyBwjCf56CrZPorpfxhlagQmrIQDffFPSpug85Dewe6HGCbOcUTsc0em(HDThSGLDulN6IRpTb(PZYHFSibk9(bsokf9VFTit6OYExzjLUvNIoRr6cyuiMcvfjcD7LOmqIG1dheHEyG5uDP7ZAxuhD3mr2lIqjuCIdV9rEMVJCkswL66(rbKeMjeLxAOH2yAxtTSurPENVO8HpiBJuVFyqCQii6Fow4d)tPDyzAyBkc55bdyTWtl6vKMbND9R4(4pH(YUyW)srtSUzp8UFm6((2LxgF7MFp1))d

[lusty grotto]

good fucking lord

[solid sun]

There’s no way I can m raid then in a group

[undone beacon]

i love mdt strings in chat

[solid sun]

If you’re getting benched what hope do us plebs have

[undone beacon]

get your wizard up boyeee

The best way to secure a raid spot is play something with a raidbuff and find a guild that needs the buff

Then dont let them recruit any more of you

[jagged pier]

41 runs

[lusty grotto]

only 8 more to go!

[jagged pier]

well thats next week

vault is full

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

Wizard is 80!

[dry skiff]

o/ Why would someone use Whirlwind and not revenge ? has been confusing me for a while

[solid sun]

They don’t know what they’re doing

Or they’re playing not-prot warrior

[dry skiff]

can i just Yeet this abilit off of my action bar ?

[solid sun]

Yes

You don’t need it or Slam

Shield Slam you need. Regular slam you do not

[dry skiff]

perfect i've been looking for a hotkey for ignore pain xD

WHAT ? no slam either even in st ?

[undone beacon]

Never slam, correct

It has no interaction with our kit and can be removed from your bar

[dry skiff]

keeeeeeeekw i like this class already

[undone beacon]

Rend, Slam, Whirlwind, all into the bin

[solid sun]

You need to talent rend but you don’t use it

[dry skiff]

lmao i love this class and you all as well

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[dry skiff]

there 3 abilities exactly were on my nerve

[undone beacon]

well there ya go

[solid sun]

Just so you know

T.clap applies rend

That’s why you don’t use regular rend

[dry skiff]

now i have Z hotkey empty for INtervene when i want it. just have to know where do i put ignore pain. doesnt look like a similar ability from my other heroes

[molten epoch]

If you have mouse cast unit bars maybe from a healer alt, add-ons like cell will let you use your mouse to do stuff like intervene

[dry skiff]

my immolation, jade rushing wind, concecration hotkey is empty

dont know if it fits the profile

[molten epoch]

Like mine is left click on their unit bar and I will intervene them, I also have control-left on a frame to use Soleahs

[dry skiff]

intervene is very similar to Rescue from evoker, so i'm using that hotkey

[molten epoch]

Highly recommend click even if you never plan to heal

*I mean cell

[undone beacon]

Ignore Pain is off the global cooldown so it can be hit alongisde other abilitites, put it somewhere easy to reach as you'll be using it primarily to prevent overcapping of rage

[dry skiff]

i heared warrior can maintain 100% shield block, how is it done ? i see 2 charges at 14 seconds, but my ilvl is 3 so was wondering how much shorter the cooldown will be

[undone beacon]

your ilvl is 3?

[dry skiff]

fresh out of the level up boost xD

[undone beacon]

Pffft

[dry skiff]

Mouse 5 it is

[undone beacon]

High SB uptime comes from either running Heavy Repurcussions and making sure you Shield Slam on CD and use Shield Block when you need to, or from getting very high haste and running Into the Fray

I run Heavy Repurcussions cuz im lazy andI end most keys with 99% SB uptime

[high latch]

I have Charge and Intervene on the same hotkey with a macro. That frees up one bind as well.

[dry skiff]

how ? what happen if you have a target and wanan use it on allly

[high latch]

Basically if I have it talented and I mouse over an ally in my party/raid it'll Intervene. Else it charges.

[dry skiff]

alright i've heard enough xD show us the goods

[high latch]

Sure, give me a sec to log in

Right. I changed it back to any ally because that can be nice instead.
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead,known:Intervene] Intervene; Charge

[outer willow]

Why are people choosing Thane over colossus this season? Is the kit really that much better?

[chilly terrace]

SB is 2 charges with 16 second CD (with 0% haste) but it does reduce with haste (40-50% haste is not difficult to have when geared). You will typically take enduring defenses talent x2 which makes each charge last 8 seconds. Shield Charge also gives you 8 seconds of Shield Block when you use it (45 second CD). It's very possible to maintain 100% uptime even without heavy reprocussions.

[mighty valley]

damage from the tier set

[high latch]

More damage. Especially single target. But Col isn't bad either.

[chilly terrace]

its also much simpler to play than colossus

[outer willow]

Ahhh. I always thought the Col damage was much higher

Wow. Maybe I’ll swap

[mighty valley]

it was last season

[outer willow]

I’m so stuck in my ways.

[tawny ice]

Is there an addon for threat/agro that isn't in details? I am struggling with keeping agro after tank swap with the pally tank I raid with

[high latch]

No, you hard cap on haste before 100% uptime is possible unless you run Heavy Repercussions. You can get close, but you will have small gaps.

And then your haste don't really matter.

[outer willow]

Can you elaborate?

[mighty valley]

on colossus, you have to be a bit more mindful of your rage usage because so much of your damage comes from revenge

[outer willow]

Yep. Very true

[mighty valley]

plus making sure you don't do something stupid with the demolish root

[outer willow]

Is thane just more streamlined? I’d enjoy it.

[mighty valley]

thane you just slam and clap and say "rage over 60? press IP"

[outer willow]

Ok I’m in.

That’s my jam hahaha

[high latch]

MT's CPM is higher than Col, but that is mostly because we generate so much rage we spam IP a lot.

[mighty valley]

yeah, it's simple but it is fast

your rage is over 60 a lot haha

[outer willow]

Thank you homies. I’ll report back

[tawny ice]

why can't I use thane until I get tier?

[mighty valley]

you can, but the reason it's strong this tier is the damage from set bonus

[high latch]

You can, but Col is a bit stronger until you get 4pc.

[tawny ice]

ok I am struggling to keep agro in taunt swaps when tanking with a pally tank and my dps is super low

[high latch]

If you have a log you could post that and see if someone could help you out. It's hard to give advice without that.

[tawny ice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b47f3TmtnV8MjBNK?position=16497&type=summary&boss=-2&difficulty=0

[mighty valley]

You're almost never pressing revenge

[high latch]

I'm not super familiar with Col any more, but some obvious things is that your CPM is quite low at around 34. You probably have a lot of downtime where you're not pressing anything, maybe you spend too much rage on IP?

[mighty valley]

On Fract you literally never pressed revenge once

[high latch]

8 times, but yeah, that's nowhere near what you want

Only use IP when on 65+ rage. Then you'll have enough left over for Revenges.

[tawny ice]

so I try to press it every time it pops on my rotation helper, maybe I need a different one, but every person I know gives me different advice on what should be my rotation (none main a warrior)

[high latch]

Revenge is a huge part of your damage as Col.

I'd check the Wowhead rotation guide. It's good.

Then ask here if you have any specific questions.

[mighty valley]

You want to try to press a damage button every single GCD

[tawny ice]

well I mean the addon in game

[mighty valley]

It sounds like the addon is leading you astray

[outer willow]

It’s not meant for tanks right?

[high latch]

It's not good for tanks, but it's not horrible.

[outer willow]

Ahh

[tawny ice]

hero rotation is the one I use, is there one for tanks?

[tawny ice]

because everyone has told me to hit IP every time it is up

[outer willow]

Not that I know of. I press buttons like crazy and hope no one dies

I bound IP and SB to my mouse wheel (up and down)

[high latch]

Oh no, that will be a HUGE improvement for you. Only use IP to avoid capping rage, so at 65+ rage or so.

[mighty valley]

I think you've been given a lot of bad advice by people who don't play prot warrior haha

[outer willow]

I’m constantly scrolling

[tawny ice]

which is why I am here now 😉

[mighty valley]

Try and ditch the helper addon, it'll help you long-term if you're able to learn why you're pressing everything

[blazing ridge]

Shieldslam > Revenge > Thunderclap as Colossus

Maintain Shieldblock at all times. Only Press IP when above 75 Rage

[tawny ice]

so memorize a rotation with no help, then when I swap to thane, learn a new one?

[high latch]

You have help right here. Or the excellent Wowhead guide.

[blazing ridge]

It's not really a rotation

[mighty valley]

The prot warrior rotation is a pretty simple priority system with very little change between colossus and thane

[blazing ridge]

More a priority list

You work down

[outer willow]

The wowhead guide, is it robust for thane too?

[high latch]

Yep, it's great for both

Our own Nome is the chef

[fathom oasis]

right now you can only reflect 1 tick right?

[outer willow]

Perfect. Let’s see if I can push legend again.

[blazing ridge]

Whenever something is ready you press it. When you can't press anything else besides Revenge you press it. When you can't even press Revenge you press Thunderclap.

[tawny ice]

so if I told you I have severe adhd and have never been able to learn wow by reading about it, would you still recommend that? I mean back in vanilla I literally printed out and taped my rotation above my monitor until I learned it, but vanilla tanking was different

[blazing ridge]

Of course press Thunderclap early a few times in a pull to get Rend ticking

Just get a Weakaura that blinks shiny Shieldslam when it's available

[high latch]

Depends on how you learn. But honestly you could even use the one button rotation thingy and "only" lose about 20% damage. You'd still need to use cooldowns and defensives correctly, but it'd give you decent performance.

[mighty valley]

That's understandable - I'd recommend writing down a simple version of the prot warrior priority and just try and get into the habit of always pressing a button, refining as you play and experience it

[tawny ice]

recommended WA? I actually do use one for mage and it really helped

[high latch]

If you want to use a visual rotation helper I'd get the Hekilli addon. It's much better than the ingame one, but a bit more complex.

[mighty valley]

I just think that looking at your logs, your current addon is doing more harm than good

[blazing ridge]

Just go on wago and search for Protection Warrior WA just take one that's updated and looks good to you

[mighty valley]

the built-in rotation helper would be better

[tawny ice]

I can't afford to lose 20% damage, but I have played warrior on and off for 20 years, this is the first time I have struggled really

[mighty valley]

I think if you switched to one-button assistant right now, you would gain a huge amount of damage

[tawny ice]

I use hero rotation which lights up the same as hekilli - at least in season 1 it did

[tawny ice]

and never learn?

[high latch]

I'm not familiar with "hero rotation", but if it's as good as Hekilli, then cool.

[mighty valley]

All I'm saying is there's something really broken in your current addon if it's recommending that you never press revenge once as Colossus

[tawny ice]

I can try hekilli again and see, the one button at the target dummy does pop revenge far more often (running that and hero rotation at the same time)

[high latch]

I mean.. I see 3 obvious options. Use the one-button assist for immediate gains, but it wont teach you very well (and you still have to use CDs and defensives manually), use a helper like Hekili or the ingame highlighter, or try to learn from a guide like Wowhead and ask us questions when you need to.

[hollow hill]

Is the reshi wrap bonus from the effect on the soul hunter boots worth keeping champ level boots over hero or myth normal boots?

[mighty valley]

I think maybe it's not helping you with IP so you're draining your rage constantly - that's probably the number 1 takeaway, just start pressing it only when your rage is >70

[tawny ice]

I will try hekilli again and see, hero is clearly not popping revenge often enough. and yes IP I hit b/c healers yell at me when I don't

thank you!

[high latch]

Yeah, that will seriously be massive. Only use IP to avoid capping on rage. That will give you room for Revenge which is a huge part of your damage.

[mighty valley]

Good luck, let us know how it goes

[high latch]

Exactly when depends on who you're asking. Some say at 60+ some say at 75+. I do 70+.

[mighty valley]

yeah, there's a bit more nuance on colossus since you're really trying to revenge constantly

and it can depend on what phase of rage income you're in

on thane you can happily just pick a number

[lusty grotto]

what the fuck is hero rotation

i gotta check this out

strange

it says its based on the APL

but that doesnt seem to be the case

oh

[solid sun]

How good is Hekili

I feel like that sort of thing would never help me learn a spec. I would just become dependent on the addon

[lusty grotto]

its good to learn classes

but youre not supposed to depend on it forever

on tanks its kinda...

good for dps

but youre gonna be fucked on defensive usage

like for example i used it alongside wowhead's rotation guides on new classes just to understand them because some rotations are just hard to explain in text

or im just too stupid to see them by reading

[tribal wharf]

i wonder if there is any person or groups of ppl that they are like just like

doing keystones that are like vault worthy maybe

and they are just like sitting there in a spinning office chair with a hacked remoted garage door opener

[warm plinth]

And some writers write their guide like their spec is quantum physics when it's really 2+2

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont blame them

[tribal wharf]

and they are just sitting there mashing the button, spinning around in circle , looking up at the roof, drool coming out of their mouth probably drunk and naked

[lusty grotto]

some things are just hard to explain, or they forget to mention key things

like "you should only do this if you have 4pc, otherwise youre doing the previous prio"

[tribal wharf]

each one of them has eachother on follow only the tank is actually playing but hes like hanging from the roof upside down playing

[lusty grotto]

like Nome could add that Execute is bigger prio with proper rage pooled, for example

[tribal wharf]

like, i dont hate one button, but its like, it sure FEELS like cheating

[lusty grotto]

because its not obvious for someone looking at the guide for the first time

[warm plinth]

Our wowhead rotation page is set up strangely where the headers are/are not too

E.g. the hero tree selection is under opener and you can't see a rotation of any kind without choosing one there

But that isn't clear

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i didnt even realize that

[warm plinth]

I think it's fine not to have it repeated like a lot of specs do but it should be before the opener section and should specify that you need to choose one to see the rotation

[lusty grotto]

yeah its just theres a lot of variation

hero talents, tier, talents, all make prio lists varied

lack of, etc

this isnt really a bad thing, but its also not a good thing

[warm plinth]

Sure, I just meant for us specifically it's fine

[lusty grotto]

for different reasons i mean

[chilly terrace]

I took a look at the logs a bit more. The lack of revenge that other people said is definitely an issue, but I think the bigger issue is the low CPM. Prot warrior is one of the highest CPM specs in the game. For example on Fractillus (the most boring fight in the raid for tanks), your CPM is around 44 (the prot pally was around 62) whereas I compared it to a Fractillus I did last night (on Mountain Thane) and I was at 84. For comparison, here is the two casts charts. Notice how many gaps there are in the first one (yours) vs the 2nd one (mine). Try to make sure you are hitting something on every GCD (revenge would be a good option) and remember that Shield Block and Ignore Pain are off the GCD.

[round pendant]

got called an idiot on ara-kara by this stupid DH who charged into the mini boss before I got aggro and died and caused 4 deaths and then said "timer is fucked now"

in a +12 lmao

then we wipe cause someone stands wrong side of the boss and lets an add get deleted

ara kara is such ass

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre 100% right, that's low CPM all across the board

[forest spindle]

i just got fellow fury bro charge into prio cathedral entrance white trash before they even reached me - those insta deletions are always funny

[lusty grotto]

ara kara is just the trench nightmare this season unfortunately

well not unfortunately, that dungeon always fucking sucked

which goes back to what i said when the votes were in

[oblique quarry]

I feel this in my soul. I usually run with guild mates that know how to position for the adds but every time I try and teach someone new or pick up a pug it goes so fucking poorly. Ara Kara has to be the #1 dungeon that smooth brains that don’t know mechanics will jump down the tanks throat for

[oblique quarry]

The fact that people voted for egg while it’s not even as strong as it was in season 1, makes me have to run this dungeon again keeps me up at night

[solid sun]

AK is the worst dungeon of the season

[lofty warren]

Solo q coming in 12.0 or 12.0.5?

[solid sun]

Halls gives it a run for its money but

[forest spindle]

HOA shares the cancer spot here

[lusty grotto]

nah

it doesnt

Ara is on a whole nother level of pugging hell

[solid sun]

Halls just makes you fight too much trash

[lusty grotto]

HOA is Cinderbrew level, which is fine

[hardy snow]

it's getting closer

[high latch]

Both HOA and AK is in my "naaah... I'd rather not" pile.

[lusty grotto]

i think the biggest problem with AK is that you wipe to such simple shit

that its infuriating

[lofty warren]

Priory is the worst dungeon rest are fine

[forest spindle]

I would legit want it 11.2.5

[high latch]

I'd run Priory over HOA and AK any day.

(and I do because I'm farming Tome)

[lusty grotto]

"oh you didnt stop the barrage", "oh you didnt kick the fear", "oh you didnt cleave the adds and fixated them to boss", "oh you didnt kill the alarm dumb beatle"

[shrewd grove]

Dawnbreaker exists

[lusty grotto]

priory is fine

[high latch]

Dawnbreaker is good if you don't have any bugs happen. But that feels rare..

[lofty warren]

Ak was like the best dungeon of s1.. compared to stone vault or threads omg

[mighty valley]

i'm on a hotstreak of bugless dawnbreakers so my opinion of it is going up

[lusty grotto]

dawnbreaker is fine when it doesnt decide to be stupid buggy

[forest spindle]

DAWN with steady flight is a breeze

[high latch]

That's a hot take

[lofty warren]

Stone vault was so aids same with threads of city

[high latch]

I mean.. I did prefer AK over CoT, but it was far from the best

[lusty grotto]

thats pepega peppega'ing

[lofty warren]

What is best s1 dungeon then?

[tribal wharf]

i can confirm, those are the only 2 dungeons i ever did in s1

[lofty warren]

That cata one? Loool

[mighty valley]

the cata one was... nowhere near as bad as I was expecting

[high latch]

After the nerfs so you didn't need 17 curse dispels it was good

[tribal wharf]

jade temple was a very painful dungeon

[lusty grotto]

grim batol was kinda goated

[tribal wharf]

3rd boss big painful

[lusty grotto]

one of the best remakes so far

[mighty valley]

yeah it wins Most Improved award

[lusty grotto]

💯

[mighty valley]

what were the other returning dungeons, it's been so long

[lofty warren]

Grim battle at the start on a +12

[high latch]

In S1? Mists, Necrotic Wake and Siege

[lusty grotto]

what about it

[mighty valley]

oh siege kinda sucked still

[lusty grotto]

Siege def sucked

NW sucked

bad remakes

[solid sun]

I preferred CoT to AK by far

[lusty grotto]

no reflect, no bolster

badge badge badge

[tribal wharf]

i dunno man but i really really think that for first season of an expansion, all of the dungeons should be the new ones, maybe 1 maybe 2 returning

[solid sun]

CoT wasn’t even bad

[tribal wharf]

so ppl get accustomed to it

[mighty valley]

CoT just had a very boring stretch in the middle

[tribal wharf]

and then s3 s4 add in 50/50 new and old

[lofty warren]

I didn't enjoy the dragon boss in grim b or the last one or all the curses or the run back after death or the dragons that forced you to hise

[mighty valley]

necrotic wake... god they made stitchflesh insane on launch

[tribal wharf]

i don't even want to talk about dragons in terms of wow cuz DF, how do you put a dragon on the box and then the dragon doesnt breath fire

[mighty valley]

it was in a good spot by the end of SL, dunno what happened with the remake

[tribal wharf]

if this was family fued and the question was name something dragons are known for

[lusty grotto]

the only good thing with the remake was that the jumpy boys stopped being jumpy ass eaters

[tribal wharf]

breathing fire would be #1 with 44 answers

[lofty warren]

Remake = make it worse for nw. Like giving the guy before the bridge ability to see stealth

[high latch]

You didn't enjoy sending all 3 spears into it and hoping your group had enough damage to one-cycle it?

[mighty valley]

it suddenly felt like SL S1 nw again lol

[tribal wharf]

its not even that the SL dungeons are bad

they are just like

slaughter maps in doom

[lament osprey]

This season is kick simulator

[tribal wharf]

like not everyone gunna play those

[tawny ice]

I love that dungeon

[mighty valley]

"getting a lot of doom vibes from this" - guy who's only played doom

[lofty warren]

Why do people like priory? That is down in f tier with COT and Grim BATOL and kings rest and stonevault

[tribal wharf]

you didnt read my sentence or arent capable of understanding it then lol

do you know what a slaughter map is

[tawny ice]

I call myself hitting a keybind/button as often as allowed. Clearly I am not. Will try to pay more attention.

[tribal wharf]

streamer im watching rn

but im playing ye olde ripeth and tear

hexen, sword axes hammers n magic n shit

[tawny ice]

It’s easy?

[lofty warren]

Priory harder than others

[mighty valley]

yeah, this is just because of your silly healers yelling at you to press IP all the time - our really high APM comes from being able to press a button every GCD AND pressing IP off-GCD alongside that

if you drain down your rage and can't press revenge to fill empty GCDs, it's gonna kill your overall APM

[high latch]

I really don't mind it, but I don't think it's a *great *dungeon either. There aren't really any frustrating gimmicks for me. And it doesn't feel like a slog in terms of trash. Depends on your group though, in terms of kicking and how good your healer is.

[mighty valley]

(and your rage generation)

[tawny ice]

All that makes total sense. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

@urban bane you need to calm down

[tribal wharf]

i'll stop talking about doom when doom stops being a good game lol

oh wait, that could be a while....

50 years 100

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-gif-15337997278017087902

[chilly terrace]

All good, just have to get into that rhythm. I would shoot to be on par with your other tank (~65 CPM) but obviously higher is better. Note that the images I linked are not showing off-GCD casts like Shield block and Ignore pain, only on GCD casts.

[tribal wharf]

oh fuck wait, no, actually its a great game, and even the code for it is great and makes other great games too

shit, guess doom too good

[lusty grotto]

just you wait this mouse will reverse funnel your face one day

[mighty valley]

who is attacking doom

[lusty grotto]

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-queer-gif-17113157489823691712

[tribal wharf]

this is the "doom" i have been playing, hexen citadel of death kings but i beat it EZ so

thank god for infinitely tall monsters and or explosions (whichever happened here)

those dragon like things are "death wyverns" and they "hit like a truck full of anvils" by firing all those fire balls which explode then explode again

[spark cedar]

I feel like gods of haste are pranking me with loot drops, i got 30k haste rating, i feel it moght be too much (48%unbuffed haste without itf)

[oak ivy]

Does anyone have a good plater profile that has important kicks/focus mobs in a diffy color

[round pendant]

Jundies, Quazii

idk what else

I just took jundies and modified it and every season import the new colours

[lusty grotto]

i dont speak percents

try again

oh

i cant read

yeah thats way too much

but its not a huge loss

just swap gems/enchants heh

[oak ivy]

I have an import string from wago for plater profile but I can't click into the "imports" text box..?? am i slow

[lusty grotto]

no no no

go to profiles

then click the button

[oak ivy]

Ooooh thank you

[lusty grotto]

you can read the text right there

to understand what the section you have in your pic is for

[oblique quarry]

I am curious, for the soul hunters fight on heroic I have been having my raid chase around the void demn hunter so that we can keep 3 target cleave going but we are failing the dps check here. Is it better to no chase ita round ?

[neon elk]

U mean failing dps check as having all 3, metas at once ?

But yea "chasing him" for cleave is comon strat

Just prio the tank one more since he got more hp

[formal torrent]

Hey yall, I’m makin a proper switch over from VDH and I can’t seem to find a current and proper guide. Any recs?

[round pendant]

wowhead

also #protection-faq

[neon elk]

Or icyveins both are fine

[formal torrent]

Oh fire. I’m too pampered on YouTube, ty

[harsh musk]

probably a silly question but are you guys running battle scarred veteran? seems like a waste with cloak effect

[lusty grotto]

it has its uses

an absorb shield isnt as big as you make it seem

[harsh musk]

Was thinking of switching it out for the Stam boost and health regen for spending rage but wasn’t 100% sure

[neon elk]

Indom is meh

Ill rather have bsv procing once per dung than having indom whole time

[lusty grotto]

indom is garbage

[sacred patrol]

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it

[round pendant]

just fwiw youtube is like the worst place for information

unless you're watching like vods of good players

[mighty valley]

i can think of worse places for information

[round pendant]

Reddit, I guess

[tardy crane]

if anyone is insanely bored and wouldn't mind looking at a log and see if there's anything i'm doing fundamentally wrong in ST
got a nice log on Forgeweaver because I was padding execute on adds, but i just can't seem to get into purple on fractillus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NtF7M6ncrRQhVHTm?fight=39&type=damage-done&source=11

(delete if not allowed)

[mighty valley]

that, and the llm tool someone was advertising earlier lol

[lusty grotto]

its allowed but use #1347646810457636974 next time

[tardy crane]

oh sorry, didn't think to look in other chat categories!

[mighty valley]

as far as i can tell, st parselording is all about execute

i mean. lmao

[tardy crane]

I noticed that and was trying to use any sudden death proc as highest priority, and then in execute phase just builing up and then mag dumping all rage (while keeping shield block up if needed)

[wicked jungle]

I just played mythic Fractillus reclear on pwarr without the fkin Sudden Death proc showing anywhere except the actionbar

I made a quick WA but it does not show the procs

Do you have one that you can share perhaps?

[lunar flare]

Looted my 3rd tome in priory, I can open a library now

Shame I dont know how to read

[solid sun]

My tome is a picture book

A picture tome if you will

[tribal wharf]

only tome i want, tome of POWER

[sudden canyon]

Hi guys, I finally got my first M+10 698 ilvl with my first tank a guardian druid, I did this character because is easy and I managed to learn tanking mechanics, but I really like the prot warrior, is it much harder to play than druid? I would really like to lean it

[lusty grotto]

its a step up

but not a huge step

it can be a bit more unforgiving

but its a good step up to go from bear

[lunar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/der-he-is-pointing-look-drinking-gif-16625842

[sudden canyon]

Bear is 4 keys I would like something more engaging

[lusty grotto]

yeah

then youre in the right place

[tribal wharf]

in tome of power, i trust

[sudden canyon]

Do you have a video guide to suggest?

[lusty grotto]

no

[tribal wharf]

its basically overclocking

[lusty grotto]

wowhead and icyveins guides

[sudden canyon]

Ty

[steady mason]

only 15 of top 50 use this talent on murloc.io... is it dungeon specific or a truly optional talent this season?

[lusty grotto]

murloc is bad

and you shouldnt copy any build that does not have that talent

there are exceptions, but NOT for keys

[steady mason]

just looking to understand

fair enough

[lusty grotto]

its not an optional talent

[steady mason]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

people are just copying

bad builds

[wind turtle]

Hello

[mighty valley]

Hi

[wind turtle]

I was wondering if someone can help me with some info about bloodsurge in prot

I cant seem to find what proc rate is or how much rage it generates

[lusty grotto]

aside from its not really talented, except as colossus

what do you want to know

[wind turtle]

I cant seem to find it in details to see how much rage it generates

[lusty grotto]

its 30 rage every min, more or less

[warm plinth]

It's a flat 7% chance to proc afaik, no icd, no rppm, not hasted

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[warm plinth]

idk about details showing it; that's not something I use details for and honestly didn't really know you could even look at rage gain on details XD

It is shown in logs though

[lusty grotto]

right

[wind turtle]

Okay thanks

[warm plinth]

hm, is that part of details just broken entirely? It just comes up blank for me XD

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know what part it is

cause i dont look at details for that info lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah it seems like it's just broken

It doesn't record anythin

anything

[wind turtle]

Yeah I have the same problem

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it does nothing

[warm plinth]

I would just use logs for that info

[undone beacon]

I thought I remember resources needing a seperate plugin to work or something

I haven’t touched it in ages tho

[torn gulch]

I kinda finished my unoptimised hero track farm on my warrior and I went from this to this

kinda sad

[undone beacon]

This guy loves mastery

[torn gulch]

i actually don't

[lusty grotto]

[torn gulch]

that's what acutally dropped

[lusty grotto]

[torn gulch]

actually

i lost a lot of crit because things did not drop

[warm plinth]

Mastery yuge

[lusty grotto]

idk man it looks balanced to me

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I wouldn't be upset with those numbers

Pretty sure my crit is lower than both those numbers

[mellow yoke]

I've ran quite some keys on +16, with and without this talent, if you do not find yourself taking too much damage from melees in dungeon do not run it

out of my personal experience this talent is good but not recommended, some will argue that you take more damage without this talent and lose more stacks on ignore pain causing lower uptime on it, but I have 91-92%+ uptime on it anyways so not a big deal for me

[lusty grotto]

what in the fuck

did i just read

taking damage from melees

lose more stacks on ignore pain

????

[warm plinth]

idc what talents you run, but it is 100% fact that you will consume more IP with blockable damage without Shield Spec than you will with it; it's not an argument, it's the truth. I doubt anyone reasonable would say otherwise.

[toxic pewter]

🤣

[warm plinth]

If you take more damage from the most common source of damage, then of course you will consume more IP with that damage

[worthy fiber]

how do you sim to work out if duskthread or dawnthread is better for your situation? looking at prot but whether the vers or crit will be better. do you just use raidbots as normal?

[mighty valley]

Yeah, just add a version with each