protection

[remote tusk]

Or if you are actually playing a good race, Dwarf Racial

[lusty grotto]

you can dwarf it and/or avatar

[warm plinth]

You can also leap or stoneform (if you're dwarf) if they're not doing it, or Avatar

[remote tusk]

[warm plinth]

But realistically there's no reason they shouldn't be dispelling you; you're the only one that gets the debuff

[dreamy pilot]

quick question, looking at leaderboards a lot of warriors are using embellishments on their weapons that are not on wowhead or in the faq here, like authority of radiant power. why?

[warm plinth]

Because before this week you could only have 2 crafts and a lot wanted to make a weapon and you can't put lining on weapons

So they put [insert random embellishment here] on weapon so they had something rather than nothing

[dreamy pilot]

i see, so which embellishment would be the best on a crafted weapon from now on? i used councils guile so far

[stray kernel]

Isn't authority of radiant power an enchant?

[warm plinth]

That's not an embellishment

That's an enchant

And for enchants you should use whatever sims the best

[dreamy pilot]

nvm, i meant elemental focusing lens

[warm plinth]

Then it's what I said XD

I have ascension sigil on mine because why not

[dreamy pilot]

alright so i'll just keep using it

thanks :)

[warm plinth]

You can just recraft when you make your other embellish slot

and get lining on the new one and remove it from weapon

[solid sun]

Because it costs more gold pieces to recraft

Some of us push keys on a budget

Crafted my weapon from the discounted back aisle at Lowe's

https://tenor.com/view/frugality-is-attractive-peepshow-mark-corrigan-gif-14497167

[warm plinth]

Just don't date, then you don't have to be attractive

[crystal sierra]

does this include the belt proc/flask, im trying to sim the craft bracer/belt and belt is looking stronger in sim, but if it hurts my SB uptime then i'll wait

[desert hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-point-finger-at-forehead-forehead-tap-head-tap-tap-forehead-gif-18599618

[mellow yoke]

27k with flask (not alchemical chaos) not including the belt proc

[azure temple]

how bad is it that i have way more mastery than crit/haste? 2 vaults have been pretty bad and given me heavy mastery rings

currently 20% crit 31% haste and 60 mastery

[mellow yoke]

talk value

[azure temple]

like am i trolling

should i swap out myth rings for hero?

[desert hinge]

i'd say you're being trolled more than trolling, but as long as they also have haste they still might sim better

[mellow yoke]

I'd say as long as u find a way to up your

haste

ur good

eventually you'll get items to swap out for stats

[azure temple]

cool thanks

[solid sun]

Mastery isn't a bad stat

[lusty grotto]

no, unbuffed

[solid sun]

Isn't that right @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

You're not trolling. But you should be using Heavy Repercussions

if you aren't already

the outgrow runed crests thing is 704 in each slot right

[azure temple]

whys that?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[warm plinth]

Because your haste is low

[lusty grotto]

you exhaust all runed uppies

[warm plinth]

CURSE YOU DISC BELT

only slot my hunter doesn't have at 704 XD

[lusty grotto]

i mean just get a 701 belt and up it once

[warm plinth]

I don't have one

[azure temple]

into the fray gives haste though? or is it for rage gen?

[warm plinth]

Haven't even seen one drop

[lusty grotto]

you need 21k haste rating minimum so that you dont get absolutely fucked on SB gaps

ITF requires it

[warm plinth]

If you have below ~21k haste, you WILL have significant downtime on shield block without Heavy Repercussions.

[lusty grotto]

no 21k haste rating, you go heavy rep

[azure temple]

okay thanks

[warm plinth]

my hunter is also haste enjoyer

[vagrant void]

hi guys! help with this hard vault, with my guild we are going to do max 4 mythic

[crystal sierra]

okay sweet thanks, is haste flask better then? both wowhead and archon have chaos as the primary flask

[vagrant void]

what should i pick? 🙁

[mellow yoke]

why are you playing with champ shield

[vagrant void]

i didint drop a heroic one 😄

[mellow yoke]

why haven't you crafted one

[vagrant void]

i did other craft

[mellow yoke]

that should've been your first craft

shield is always 1# prio craft

[vagrant void]

ok, thanks for tip, next time ahah

but with the vault?

[mellow yoke]

well

considering you aren't getting

[warm plinth]

Wait til after raid

If you don't get shield, take shield

If you do get shield, take brand

[mellow yoke]

I'd say get shield anyway but u can do that

since it's a quite solid upgrade

but you are also running so'leah

[vagrant void]

y, i didn't drop pacemaker 🙁

[stray kernel]

brand is big dam though

[warm plinth]

brand + tome will have you set for the season, or you can use brand + pace once you get it if you'd rather have the aoe damage over the ST damage

[vagrant void]

thanks so much

[mellow yoke]

but yeah run HC

[warm plinth]

He said he was gonna do myth first 4, hence my shield suggestion. If he's only doing heroic then he should definitely take shield

Maybe I misunderstood

[mellow yoke]

huh

i dont see that message

[lusty grotto]

do you have a kill guaranteed for loomi tonight?

[mellow yoke]

nvm

[lusty grotto]

or are you still progging?

[mellow yoke]

im blind

[vagrant void]

right now we do full HC but at the end of the season we are going to do max 4 mythic

[lusty grotto]

ok so you're not clearing loomi tonight

pick shield

[warm plinth]

Oh, then yeah 100% shield

I forgot to do my investigative journalism

[calm hedge]

hello guys i need help with my vault

i have this 2 trinket

and have this to what you guys sugest

[oak ivy]

myth pace?

[supple cave]

I’d do pacemaker, but also go kill soul hunters first

[lusty grotto]

nah brand better pick

[icy haven]

Antenna better than pace?

[calm hedge]

itry soul hunter heroic and nm with 10 trader 4 week but never see it and its realy big damge in key

[uncut burrow]

I’m assuming that pacemaker is maxed out champ track? Myth track pace would likely be my choice

[calm hedge]

and i do m+ all the time

what about damge from brand

[icy haven]

Dont go pacemaker u will get it from dinar later

[calm hedge]

in key do e lot

[icy haven]

Get tier

[lusty grotto]

get brand

do not read anything else

[solid sun]

My gut says brand

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

follow this

[warm plinth]

It's not myth brand though. Only the weapon in that row is myth

[lusty grotto]

oh i gotta fix that

[calm hedge]

and i also have shoulder and leg and hand tier mythic

[uncut burrow]

Heroic brand is tempting but if you’re killing soul hunters on heroic then you should eventually get ( even better on myth). Only way to get myth pacemaker is vault (and probably dinars in the future)

[lusty grotto]

absolutely do hunters first

[icy haven]

Myth wep tbh. U will get pacemaker from dinar later, and brand is low competition, u will get it eventually

[cedar egret]

depends if you want power later or now, brand is very strong to get

[icy haven]

This gonna be a long season with another turboboost, longterm bis is the only sensible pick

[solid sun]

Well if you’re already killing mythic bosses maybe just do all your raiding first yeah?

[warm plinth]

I would raid before choosing 100%

[uncut shadow]

At what point do we drop the crafted belt?
Or it just a case of Sim Dps?

[warm plinth]

I assume you mean the DISC belt?

[calm hedge]

i do all raid and dont get it 🙁

i craft weapen and get shild from vault

[uncut shadow]

Yes Sir

[oblique quarry]

when do the dinars even come out?

[solid sun]

Who can say

[hardy snow]

in 11.2.5., but yet unknown if it will be delayed

[icy haven]

There is no season 4, so any delay will push this season long

[hardy snow]

unless it wont be part of turbo boost, but that would be weird

[solid sun]

I assume the season will be long

[hardy snow]

season will be long anyway, they may delay turbo boost to be like 1 month into the patch, not at release

[icy haven]

Ye

[chrome falcon]

does anyone have a priory routes for 16s+

i hate this fucking dungeon

[sterile orbit]

no idea i cant time a 15 of it to save my life

[manic mural]

First boss in AK, do the adds only fixate dps and healers?

[lusty grotto]

unless they're dead

[azure temple]

is 21k haste with flask fine or is that 21k before flask?

[manic mural]

theoretically, if I didnt move the boss, they could kite them around the boss right?

[lusty grotto]

unbuffed

which means no flask

[lusty grotto]

yes, its a tactic

[warm plinth]

It's pretty common to tank them nearish the spawn and just cleave the boss while killing the adds

Tank the boss nearish the spawn I mean

[lusty grotto]

but i dont recommend doing that for the entire fight

if the boss is executable, you can

[manic mural]

thats what i thought, just been blamed a couple times in a row when they've gotten eaten after being alive for 10 or mroe seconds

[lusty grotto]

if you kite adds for the entire fight, youre gonna have a bad time

yeah well

10s are 10s

[manic mural]

14 🙁

[lusty grotto]

but once youre past 12s, people expect adds to be close

uhh

what in the fuck lol

[manic mural]

thats why im in here confirming.

[lusty grotto]

the idea is for them to funnel from them

you do need to move the boss slightly, very slightly but keep it close for cleave/funnel

if that makes sense

[manic mural]

yup, im not being cringe with the movement

[lusty grotto]

its 100% not your fault if the boss is at a cleavable distance away and they dont get killed

[manic mural]

sometimes it just wont move when doing its cast

[lusty grotto]

right thats just expected

[tight mural]

Anyone else having problems with threat while of tanking for prot pally? I'm tryina bang and I just keep ripping so I have to literally sit there and watch procs go by or sit on cooldowns

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats normal

[jagged gust]

thats a them issue

[lusty grotto]

prot pally ST is ass

the worse the player is at it, the worse it'll get

[tight mural]

Lame

[jagged gust]

Just have a co tank prot pal that parses permanent 99s, fixed the issue for me

[lusty grotto]

yeah but still you can out agro them

if the stars and crits align

[wooden dove]

sometimes i get aggro back right after co-tank taunts, like very fast, is that normal or a bug? i thought taunt abilities guaranteed to have the target on you for 3 seconds

[azure temple]

Cheers, moved some stats/gear around and now im 21013, that enough?

[lusty grotto]

sure but they actually need to hit the target

are you talking about a specific fight?

cause loomi taunts are weird

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt recommend it, just swap your talents man

its just one talent

[wooden dove]

yeah i think this happened on loomithar

[azure temple]

so what is the breakpoint?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the beam taunts are strange so they go back and forth

[azure temple]

Happy to use it but there has to be a value thats enough

[lusty grotto]

theres no breakpoint

we're talking about a talent switch

[wooden dove]

well that kills me :p

[lusty grotto]

you need 21k for ITF, and you will have gaps, the higher your haste is after you talent 21k/ITF the less gaps you will have

[azure temple]

earlier in the conversation i was told to swap to the talent until 21k haste, now i have 21k unbuffed and its not enough

okay thanks

[lusty grotto]

are you good at managing SB?

if you are then youre gonna have no issues

[azure temple]

yeah

okay thanks

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

the gaps are giga cringe

I have 24k haste and it still happens sometimes

[jagged gust]

it really shouldnt tho

[round pendant]

well it do

🤷‍♂️

[jagged gust]

time to run bolster!

Make Yoda proud

[round pendant]

I despise the second pull of streets

2 casters that no one will kick

and they forced me to use my aoe taunt by pumping instantly on the gather

[lunar flare]

Sounds less like you despise streets and more just despise bad players

Which is reasonable

[round pendant]

it's both

the rest of the dungeon is shit and boring too

lmao

[lunar flare]

More Tazavesh slander

Unacceptable

You go to mailroom, you hear NPC go “where is basim?” You wonder who basim is

That’s world building

No other dungeon immerses you like that

Except halls, where I really do feel like I want to die

[round pendant]

I have dialogue audio turned off since algethar academy

[lunar flare]

NEW STUDENTS

[round pendant]

ugh I can't decide

do I play my rogue or gear my healer

[lunar flare]

Healer

Faster queues

[round pendant]

661 do you reckon people will take me to 6s

[tight mural]

Okay I guess we're playing remix. Heeeelllll yeahhhh

[lunar flare]

Only one way to find out!

[round pendant]

yep guess I'm forced to play remix

ugh

[lunar flare]

“Pythagorus”

Amazing

[split roost]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-face-nut-angry-gif-25106740

[carmine solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-hot-busted-nut-gif-21810567

[strong forum]

No

Don't make me play remix

Please let the 1h be ugly

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

lol

Surely it won’t take you long to farm up 30k bronze

And 20 good boy points

Maybe you can get 1 good boy point per Aggramar kill per difficulty

[strong forum]

Bro

I spent 4hrs playing mop remix

And I hated every second of it

[solid sun]

Lmfao

[strong forum]

Just for some unique mogs

4hrs im never gonna get back

[solid sun]

I didn’t have strong opinions about it either way. Why didja hate it?

(I barely even remember it tbh)

[mellow yoke]

spent a few hours

and loved every second

[strong forum]

Cuz it's just a weird whack ass version of retail

[mellow yoke]

it was something fresh

atleast

[strong forum]

Idk didn't feel fresh

[mellow yoke]

it was at the time in season where you were tired of pushing keys

was kind of a way for me to chill out

[strong forum]

It was just suffering leveling to 50 to steam roll raids and use your infinite currency to buy unique recolors

I also didn't play plunderstorm

Just not my type of thing I enjoy idk

[mellow yoke]

Same thing, filler inbetween seasons

Idk played few games

Was kind of fun and not fun

At the same time

[hardy snow]

for me MoP was just mogs/mounts grind

[strong forum]

Thank god plunderstorm didn't have cool rewards xd

[hardy snow]

but Plunderstorm was quite cool

[mellow yoke]

I liked that you could get traders tender from it

[jagged gust]

mop remix was the best time I had in this game since legion

plunderstorm was more enjoyable than S4 at the very least

[mellow yoke]

Watching paint dry

Was more enjoyable than S4

[grave vine]

When should i swap the delve belt for a crafted?

[fathom oasis]

🙂

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[grave vine]

so, crafting rn, thanks

[hollow hill]

Is there a specific crit value or % we should be aiming for or just as much as possible while keeping haste around 20-25k?

[lofty warren]

what time is it in germany

[hollow hill]

2:25AM according to google

[royal mist]

Does that consider the new nerf?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/manaforge-omega-belts-arent-useless-anymore-378417

[jagged gust]

My sims said swap with a 704 belt, if that's any indication

[fathom oasis]

how is it going to consider the new nerf when it hasn't even made it live yet

[royal mist]

Dude joined this server like a week ago and already trying to act snippy. lol

[fathom oasis]

the article you linked is from 25 minutes ago x)

and that's from the wowhead guide

nerf will just make it even more desirable to swap

personally, i just swapped for the crafted one, once i had a decent shield

[toxic pewter]

Why it say imminent isn’t 11.2.5 like weeks away lol

If not a month or more

Yeah comes out October 7 lmao wat in the world. I don’t consider a month imminent

[lusty grotto]

unlikely

but sims will make you replace it at the range from the guide anyway

whether the nerf was going to happen or not, that belt was not going to be better than anything over 710, and arguably lower ilvl than that

[late trellis]

you guys have any reccs on vault here?

already have a mythic pacemaker so a little torn, made the mistake of opening the vault as a tank loot spec D:

[fathom oasis]

why would that be a mistake

tome is the best supposedly

do you already have 723 shield?

[late trellis]

I've heard multitrinket vaults happen more as a tank

Yea

i have myth shield+pacemaker

[fathom oasis]

the myth tome just rounds it out? that's some luck getting back to back bis myth trinkets

[late trellis]

last week was pace + tome in vault, this week is this. my only qualm is a lot of high M+ers running antenna / brand

[fathom oasis]

wth

[lofty warren]

is this a good one? someone traded me

[late trellis]

i dont see why i take a heroic antenna tho coz i can get that anytime i guess

i'll take tome like u said, thanks!

[fathom oasis]

i too have noticed the disparity between what the absolute top m+ tanks are using vs our supposed bis trinket setup, but I guess that's because really high keys put so much emphasis on the dps required

[lusty grotto]

you pick tome

top key tanks dont magically get myth tomes

and/or their routing doesnt really make it work

none of us are rank 1 pushers

their picks do not really fit with our gameplay

on certain things they do, on most things they dont

also not to mention that everyone else under them copies them without thought

dont use aggregate sites without understanding that

while some picks might be accurate for DPS roles, for tanks it can be wildly different

the pick is tome

without a question

[round pendant]

it was so fucking boring

idk why it was received so well

but ig if you just throw all the really good mogs and mounts at people any slop content will be S tier

[sharp harbor]

Should we aim to have tome be in crit/dmg mode 100% of the time? Or is there any merit to leaving it on the armor/absorb mode?

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

yes

[lusty grotto]

theres no merit

[sharp harbor]

so full send

nice

[round pendant]

shield mode is doo doo

[lusty grotto]

yup

[sharp harbor]

thanks

[serene galleon]

I have no doubt nimchip is gonna tell me to sim it or refer to his post… I’ve done both already.

Myth raiding, progging forge.

I’ve crafted shield (720) and bracers (704) and have a spare craft

Have already replaced shield with the 723 from raid.

The crafts I’m considering currently have 704 Ilvl items in their slots

Craft options:
Wep with ascension = 149k dps upgrade.
Chest (non tier piece) with dawn/dusk = 75k dps
Ring/neck with focusing lens = 45k dps

I’m leaning towards chest because plexus drops the 723 wep, and when it finally does (killed every week so far and haven’t seen it) I’ll get it.

Long term BIS sounds like craft chest first, so I don’t waste another spark…

Thoughts ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah i kinda agree with your take

but you can also be unlucky, thankfully its only 2 more resets for another spark

would certainly lean towards chest

have you done plexus this reset?

[serene galleon]

Yeah.

Agi polearm every week so far

[lusty grotto]

ok yeah fuck it send the chest

[serene galleon]

Reee

[lusty grotto]

i was gonna say wait until you raid but

i dont think it'll matter

[serene galleon]

Yeah I waited haha

Loom then forge prog tonight .

[acoustic hearth]

whats more important

high ilvl on sword or shield

assume sword

[serene galleon]

Shield

[lusty grotto]

shield defensively
weapon offensively

[acoustic hearth]

oh

[lusty grotto]

both are extremely important

[acoustic hearth]

so used to vdh where allt hat matters is mh wep the rest can fuck itself lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats just the life of shield tanks

though tbf im not particularly sure about prot paladins cause i fucking hate them

[round pendant]

doesn't matter

paper regardless

[serene galleon]

They hate themselves too it’s ok

[acoustic hearth]

ig ill do sheild first then

both weps are 678 rn

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

How puggable is the beginning of the raid on mythic rn?

[nocturne spindle]

soulbinder and plexus are free

[prime sphinx]

If ur group kills plexus they should be able to kill soulbinder. That gives u first 3 bosses loot in ur raid vault

[vague mango]

🙂

[lusty grotto]

nice!

[solid sun]

So I guess most pugs just kill those two and dip

[lusty grotto]

plexus isnt that free for pugs, but i could be wrong

but ilvls are increasing so it might be, who knows

soulbinder is def free

the problem is that its after plexus

[solid sun]

Maybe they try spider for antenna? But not usually successful?

[lusty grotto]

nah spider is not easier than any of those 2

spider is 3rd always

its completely different from heroic

[solid sun]

I just mean if you’re in a group that kills the first two

But if it’s way harder maybe that’s just a waste of time

[lusty grotto]

it should become puggable as ilvls go up and the renown buff

[prime sphinx]

They might try but it's a lil step up healing wise specially

[solid sun]

The other two are mostly the same though?

[lusty grotto]

plexus is a dps race

[solid sun]

I assume plexus isn’t free because there’s a lot of damage that goes out?

Ah I see

[lusty grotto]

and if pugs cant handle dodging + the maze, its kinda not gonna happen

[prime sphinx]

atleast u wont get stuck with 1 boss down lockout and no vault

[solid sun]

Yeah I was going to ask

You have to actually kill a boss to get stuck with the lockout right

I don't ever touch mythic

[prime sphinx]

ye think so

undermine mythic pugs used to walk round 1st boss and do either carnage first for 2 boss run or stix first for 4 boss run

[icy haven]

So seems like nearly all popular m+ trinkets are just stat sticks?

[frozen zenith]

Do we have a dispel for the affix this week

[lusty grotto]

last stand + impending victory

or be dwarf

or health pot

dont change talents for it, its not a big deal

[frozen zenith]

Ah got it

[lusty grotto]

otherwise its bitter immunity which i really dont recommend

[mighty turtle]

@lusty grotto I got a vault that wasn't ring city

[lusty grotto]

nice

[mighty turtle]

( i went with antenna because I haven't had the strength to farm priory )

[lusty grotto]

hmm

thats a big weapon though

but yeah thats a myth antenna i guess

[mighty turtle]

ya still got taz hm this week

& raid

[lusty grotto]

yeah good call then

[icy haven]

is there a breakpoint we want to stop going for haste?

[lusty grotto]

27k

or if you feel good about your SB uptime, you can do it earlier

[median garnet]

Is brand of ceaseless ire as op as it looks

[lusty grotto]

yes

[vocal flame]

Dungeons and Raids
Greatly reduced overall enemy health by at least 40% and damage by at least 50% across all dungeons and raid difficulties.

So did they just give up on season 3? lol

Remix that is lol

[lusty grotto]

nah its a good move

[vocal flame]

How do you all get the routes down? So you have a second monitor or just kind of press W and hope?

I agree Nim!

[lusty grotto]

personally i only use MDT to share routes

i use threechest on a 2nd monitor

if im not familiar

[lime spruce]

nothing beats running the dungeons over and over tbh, doing dry-runs on Normal difficulty helps a ton too

helps me visualize the clutterfuck of an MDT map

[lusty grotto]

100%

[vocal flame]

Is there a way to get % on normal just to test?

[lime spruce]

No, I just reference MDT

[vocal flame]

Ah ok

[lime spruce]

in-game while I go

"oh okay that's where this pack is, that's what this map looks like, oh wow I have a lot more room to navigate" etc. etc.

then I get into a +5 to actually run it and my brain goes WEEOOOWEEOOO and forgets 80% of it, but that's fine

because then afterward I look at the route again

[vocal flame]

Haha I hear that

[lime spruce]

lather rinse repeat until you're 3k

[vocal flame]

Yeah seems like the plan. Without the second monitor that’s all I can do really

[lime spruce]

nothing helped my mindset more than realizing that the process of learning routes is "playing the game", it's not a prereq to "start playing"

very easy to fall prey to overanalyzing imposter syndrome / not wanting to be a cringe burden on other people's time

[vocal flame]

Well yeah or finishing at 97% like I have lol

Some on the keystone site say at least get to this % by this area so I use that

[lime spruce]

that's still very good

sometimes you just gotta run through a mfka face

[vocal flame]

Haha true

[sick merlin]

There is an addon that will show the next pull and what % you should be on after it as you progress through the dungeon as well

Which for me while learning the routes was pretty useful

[lime spruce]

Okay I have a real dummy basic question, how do you guys use Last Stand, is there any tech w/ how top prots use that button instead of hitting Shield Wall

imagine you have 1 charge of shield wall and Last Stand is up, how do you decide which button to hit

[lusty grotto]

last stand is not used at all

its not even in the same plane of existence

you can use it with impending victory to get a bigger heal, but that's about it

its just a relic of the past that will not really save you from anything

thats why its not even talented if you went colossus

and the only reason its picked is because its right above TL

as thane

its just there

so idk use it whenever you want, it makes no difference

do you need to be defensive? press wall and dont even think about LS

is it magic damage? consider SR

they could remove last stand and we wouldnt really feel a thing (COUGHSHOULDHAVEBEENREMOVEDINSTEADOFSPELLBLOCK)

cough

[nocturne spindle]

you use it with BSV for a full heal

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[prime sphinx]

all about mechagnome emergency heal proccing with bsv for full hp

[lone current]

Yeah so annoying thane has to use a talent point on it to get to TL

[lusty grotto]

we did submit feedback on its placement

and/or "why does this still exist"

but it was ignored

[halcyon sail]

How does LS interact with mitigation? Like if you put on LS and shield wall then LS falls off is it more efficient for the damage that you took vs your health pool

[lusty grotto]

but also we were pretty serious about defending spell block, so the feedback probably got overlooked

[lusty grotto]

makes no difference

DR does not interact with HP pools

[halcyon sail]

Gotcha

[undone beacon]

I want to rename our guild to "Wipes at Zero" but we'd get no recruits anymore

[lusty grotto]

EHP is not the name of the game in 2025, and hasn't been for several expansions (at least not for tanks)

[shrewd grove]

Noooooooo, what boss

[prime sphinx]

8 mins probs saladaar (guess)

[undone beacon]

lol I wish

Mythic Soulbinder

[prime sphinx]

oh wow

long pull

[sick merlin]

You’ve convinced me I’m unbinding last stand

[toxic pewter]

[shrewd grove]

I bound mine to my health stone button so it last stands before I health stone lol

[sick merlin]

That kinda makes sense as a why not I guess

[shrewd grove]

Figured there's no reason not to

[sick merlin]

Tbh I forgot what last stand even did exactly until I read above and double checked. Last time I played prot war was classic vanilla when it was something to use

On patchwerk

[rotund moon]

good or bad idea to craft a wep or shield now? noting its my third alt im not in a huge rush to gear, i can tank 10s? Noting it is recommended to craft ->>>>> Dawnthread Lining / Duskthread Lining;
Elemental Focusing Lense;
Craft them on:
Wrist;
Waist:

[lusty grotto]

shield and weap should have been first crafts

but yeah if you dont have guaranteed myth tracks on those (i.e. if you can't kill plexus and/or loomi on myth diff and are currently your guild's tank) you should def craft em

shield first

note that myth tracks replace those

even if they are only 3 ilvls higher

see this #protection message

[rotund moon]

Thank you, sorry i missed that

[lusty grotto]

no worries

the guide is correct, its just very early in the season it is usually worth going for those first

we're no longer at that stage so its fine if you havent crafted them yet

they are super important to get ilvls on both of them for both offensive and defensive reasons

[dusky canopy]

Tome and pacemaker

Mans eatin good

[fluid merlin]

is tome bad for M+?

[jagged gust]

its good

its great

[fluid merlin]

keep hearing ppl say that but I have hero tome

[jagged gust]

personally I'd run double raid trinkets if accessible

If brand would ever drop

[fluid merlin]

I got Brand/Tome

but idk if M+

cause also got mud hero

[jagged gust]

Mud works wonders in floodgate/priory, but you'd only consider running it if you're running very high keys

Brand+Antenna is the goal tho

for me

[fluid merlin]

Yeah im never getting antenna lol

[jagged gust]

I still have yet to replace my veteran track version

it sims stupidly well

[keen shadow]

Which WA are you guys using? or which can you recommend? I mean the ones that show your most important skills, ignore pain and such

[neon elk]

There are many packs on wago, and there probably isnt a right answer, just take a look on them and tweak them, everyone perfers something else

[vocal roost]

So what would u take

A myth track weapon when you have 720 crafted or myth track catalyst piece?

[sick merlin]

Prob weapon unless you think there’s a good chance you’ll get a myth one in raid as soon as it drops

[neon elk]

If its wepon and not shield then its simable

[boreal comet]

How do we sim a prot warrior? Anything special we add in expert mode or just 5 targets 1 min (aoe) and 1 target 5 min patchwork (ST)?

[ionic fern]

Exactly the same as you sim a DPS.

Nothing extra to add.

[rancid tiger]

Just go pug hc🤣, i lost it to a tank last time

[torpid dome]

I feel that way about brand

been doing soul hunters normal, lfr and hc since raid release and haven't even seen it drop once T.T

let alone was I able to roll for it lmao

[lofty glen]

why antenna?

[jagged pier]

Its not

Antenna is pretty good but it just doesnt compete

In anything under 5 mins, (where brand has to amp) its good

Anything longer or a short fight where u have brand at 15 stacks already, its just not close

[wispy moth]

And in M+ it is pretty easy to maintain it to 15 stacks when stacked up

Few dung you cant due to RP, walking etc

but overall you aint lose many stacks between two packs

In raid, it depends on how long the fight is. On fractilius for example, you can swap it

The antenna seems good too. Until i've got pace

[jagged gust]

It's in a good place between ST and AOE

Beat Tome in aoe and beats idol in ST, plus idol is fucking terrifying overall to use in aoe

antenna dogwalks pacemaker

[jagged pier]

U do know on average ppl miss about 20% of the orbs on average so sim it at that

Cause the sims dont do that unless u change them too

[jagged gust]

how do you quantify that?

[jagged pier]

Smarter ppl than me have looked at logs

[jagged gust]

curious, I wonder what they were looking for

[jagged pier]

I believe you can see it make and orb then u can see on buffs if its continued or increased

[jagged gust]

hmm thats good to know

[jagged pier]

Even so with a lot of these trinkets ppl do miss them ever now and then because of mechanics, etc etc

So you arent going to have a 0% moss chance with it most likely

I strongly encourage changing it too 10-20% will probably be more accurate

[jagged gust]

bet, I'll settle on 15% and bank on a high roll

[jagged pier]

Just for instance even ay 723 it was only simming better for me in 3-4mins anything longer it was the same/ worse that my 2 704 trinkets

Its really not that hot

I know cause i got it in vault

And spent all day simming trying to convince myself to take it

I didnt not in the end

[wispy moth]

Antenna reminds me branch DF S3 trinkets where you need to manage orbs so in reality you miss many orbs and so lose many effects. It's less optimal that a proc on yourself

[jagged pier]

^^

[wispy moth]

Maybe I'd should took soleah instead of antenna

[jagged gust]

If you DPS it's still a fantastic grab

[jagged pier]

Again its a sim thing, u can give yourself a miss chance to be more accurate and see how it compares

[wispy moth]

Didnt know how the trinkets works exactly, i've seen sim exploding myth soleah I didnt think more than that

[jagged gust]

I just checked my fury sims and veteran antenna didn't get replaced by heroic idol until 40% miss rate >.>

[jagged pier]

Right but your talking in the prot channel so lets change perspective towards prot

Its good but we have very good trinkets as other optoons

[jagged gust]

🙄

[lofty glen]

so you would wear pace over brand if the fight is shorter than 5 min?

[torpid dome]

Depends on your choices really

pacemaker im not sure, since that's mainly noticable on aoe fights, brand might still do better prio dmg during ramp up?

probably sim that difference to be sure (sim 1min, 3 min, 5 mins)

[lofty glen]

in this case (normal raid) is brand shit then?

[wispy moth]

Did nm with normal and hero brand and did good too
So, trinket still good but if you've got a better option like pacemaker or tome. But what is your second trinket ?

[lofty glen]

all marked (brand on normal) are hero track that i have

[wispy moth]

So maybe take pace tome in raid if less 5min fight

Try to sim

[lofty glen]

ye but i never know how long the fight will be with randoms so i cant sim right

[wispy moth]

Dimensius apart, every fight is less than 4min in nm now, so you can blindly change it if you really care about your dps as tank

[jagged pier]

I would wear anything over brand that sims more if the fight is less than 5 mins

I wear a delves trinket in most of hc

Because the fights are like 3:30 mins and it sims the highest

[lofty glen]

kk thx

[torpid dome]

thats why you sim for different timelines :-p usually after the first boss you already have a bit of an indication how the group is on dmg

[torpid dome]

we reached Dimensius yesterday on HC as progress, lmao my guild group has some way to go since that fight felt chaotic 🥲

[wispy moth]

We cleaned nm rerolls and 6/8hm in 2h, pretty proud of my casual guild haha

Monday we kill nexus King and start progress on dimensius

Almost free of this xD

[jagged pier]

Nah its fine, i dint understand there are some guilds progging loom on mythic that havent killed dimensus yet. And demi isnt even that hard

Yer the first 2 on mythic are easier as usually but like not much harder at all

[torpid dome]

yeah we dont have a big enough group to start doing myth raiding

[jagged pier]

Just pug the other spaces ppl are pugging the firdt 2 already

[torpid dome]

but yeah overall progging went decent for us, but you noticed immediately that on P1 form dimensius, people were kinda overwhelmed

just 50% of the dps when compared to other fights lmao, so it will take some time getting used to

We continue progging on Sunday

[jagged pier]

U got like 10 seconds between mechanics

Knock - spread - soak - gravity - (then on the second round u add devour)

[torpid dome]

yeah not sure where they re having trouble with, I guess moving too soon for the spread reduced dps a lot

and then they're often not grabbing the orbs immediately

whic imo they should just grab, so it's ready when we need them

and stuff like that, DPS were taking quite a lot of damage during the fight as well, which I wasnt able to figure out yet why that was

[tranquil edge]

When it comes to crafting 1h, does it make a difference what weapon type you go for? If so I'm assuming it's low

[torpid dome]

no makes no diff

[tranquil edge]

Cool, had a feeling but appreciate the confirmation

[waxen lion]

Guys, left or right side in priory? +13-14s

[ionic fern]

Human= Sword.
Dwarf = Mace.
Orc = Axe.
If you play any other race you should uninstall.

@tranquil edge

[pallid quiver]

Mwahi hates me ;-;

[torpid dome]

depends on preference

I like left better

but both can be viable routes

[torpid dome]

As Earthen, I approve this message

[waxen lion]

Right side is the nerd with fireballs?

[torpid dome]

yes

[ionic fern]

Which race are you?

[pallid quiver]

cow

[torpid dome]

Im contemplating a race change to regular dwarf tho, instead of earthen, but idk yet

[twin hill]

Kinda loaded question

[pallid quiver]

been a cow since i was a wee lad when i first made a character

[torpid dome]

its a tad racist as well

[pallid quiver]

because me want be big

[tranquil edge]

Isn't that more of a classic thing? Still thanks for the response

[ionic fern]

Okay,cow fits into the "acceptable" category.

[waxen lion]

You don't like eating rocks and stones?

[pallid quiver]

yaaaaaaay, mwahi permits my continued existence

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/law-smile-ocd-creep-scold-gif-8128981

[torpid dome]

Tbh I like the permanent food buff

lmao

[torpid dome]

but I can safely say, I lost more than 10k gold on gems I accidentally ate by right-clicking them when I was trying to equip them

[blazing ridge]

lmao

[tranquil edge]

A law abolished when they removed the weapon specialisations. I'ma rebel with a wand instead

[ionic fern]

That's cursed.

[lunar flare]

Do you have a route for this? I tried following a raider IO left route and finished like 0.5% under and can’t figure out what I missed 🙃

[forest spindle]

That is more up to you to decide. Are you having a bad time surviving on 1st boss with left route? - Then go right. In 13s and 14s people should have monitors turned on and have an interrupt somewhere on the action bar, I would assume.

[blazing ridge]

bold of you to assume people can kick on 13s and 14s lol

[torpid dome]

this is usually my baseline for it, and depending how I feel and how it ends up, I either take the pack on top of the stairs, or I clear the room before the final boss

[lunar flare]

Nice, thank you for sharing

[torpid dome]

so either that pack, or if we skip that I go

or I do something like this

if you use the weekly route, you're maybe missing that sharpshooter?

[lunar flare]

FUCK

YOURE RIGHT

[torpid dome]

and honestly I HATE this pull

way too many casters

[lunar flare]

God damn I spent ages looking for what I was doing wrong

[torpid dome]

yeah I dont like including that sharpshooter unless we have a grip

but that does mean you need to do something extra in some place

[lunar flare]

Yeah I pulled a group of 3 just outside the cathedral which obviously was massively inefficient

But I was panicking because I wanted to resolve it before going in

I prefer right side but don’t like the first boss, if our comp is melee heavy

[torpid dome]

yeah we're quite melee heavy

so I go left, I know I can surv the tank busters on the first boss so its all good

but just that 7-pull, is hella annoying

or pull 6

[torpid dome]

the selected pull here lmao

[forest spindle]

I just do this one with pugs on left side. Sharpshooters are aids, but they typically just jump into melee themselves over time - I wouldn't say they are that much of a slow-down

[torpid dome]

this also seems to be a smooth route

just unsure about pulls 3 and 4, need to try it out I gess

[lunar flare]

How do you pull group 2 without grabbing that group just next to them? I always struggle

[plush flint]

whats a good overall number to go by for dps classes this season? I almost barely timed keys i used to do easily. So I wonder if it's me or the dps thats low.

[forest spindle]

3 is easy - jump use heroic throw to pull those mobs behind stairs - they are 3 melee

on 4 - i just charge into 3 archers + pull lynx and have some good time lol

[torpid dome]

ah

yeah 4 I meant I'd rather not have those 3 archers I guess, but both might be possible

[torpid dome]

depends entirely on the class, dps and people you have

[plush flint]

I mostly pug, but last season something like 4m would be considered good i believe. The pugs i ran with this season does something like 5.5m overall

Seems low to me, but have not played dps this season

[torpid dome]

I think 5,5-6,5 is decent for avg over the entire dung

[forest spindle]

mostly it is just improvising tbh. usually i still have alive archers from 1st pull by the time 1st mini-boss is dead, so it is just dealing with archers + pulling one pack after stairs + mini-boss comes down - and you just act based on situation. but yeah, kinda often having to deal with extra mobs and it never really going perfectly with pug groups. same for last boss room - sometime i have to fight patrol (5 mobs) + right pack at same time because people just bodypull or bad rng. it is very difficult in pug group to get people to wait just 10 seconds for the patrol to go away

[lunar flare]

Thanks for sharing. I’m glad it’s not just me who finds those things tricky sometimes

[torpid dome]

pulling and collecting pulls is themost difficult thing of tanking imo

especially when there's so many variations of 'correct' routes

that when you do your own thing, you often get reactions from DPS that 'its not correct'

[forest spindle]

so true lol, people always panic with my DAWN route lol

[torpid dome]

most of these thing come down to what do you know

what do you feel is comfortable

and where o you want to pull packs

On dawn especially you have multiple options again which are all fine

[forest spindle]

on DAWN i do full cathedral all the time - simply because those are mostly melee mobs, they are perfectly placed to manage packs by 2 at a time, nothing fancy just a bit rough on tank, and still for whatever reason people feel like they need to deal with casters at Anub boss lol

[torpid dome]

yep but those cathedral packs can hurt

[lofty glen]

always going like this

[forest spindle]

yeah, no.7 is no joke to pull, but can be split on high keys - still very chill because of no interrupts/grips needed

[torpid dome]

oh man those pull 6 and 7 look spicy

[blazing ridge]

Pull 7 is the noob detector, trashcans will always enjoy the frontals, doesnt matter where u tank them

[lofty glen]

6 is eazy af as long as you dodge the aoe

and as soon as you have 2nd lust you go to orb miniboss

[torpid dome]

doesn't it feel awkward to pick up those single packs between the route?

[lofty glen]

no cause you time it wit cd downtime of your group and its easy as hell

9/10 runs the tell me that the rout is nice

[torpid dome]

hmm can you share the link to that route? I'll check it out later

[lofty glen]

can send it later if i am at home. screenshotted it and postet ist in team dc so we all have it on 2nd screen 😄

[lofty glen]

just dont pull following the numbers. i always pull with an eye on cds

[torpid dome]

Yeah cheers

[torpid dome]

yeah gonna need to experiment around a bit

[lunar flare]

So pulling all those casters near the 2nd boss is just bait?

There's...another way?

[torpid dome]

yes

I mean both is fine

if your group has enough kicks and is on point with the kicks, the casters are definitely fine as well

[lunar flare]

I pug so my group never has enough kicks, nor is ever on point with them

I don't think they even know what a kick is

[torpid dome]

in that case, avoid groups with more than 3 casters :-p

[lofty glen]

yes and avoid groups with no good setup XD

[fathom oasis]

In previous seasons i was all about doing all the cathedral pulls. But this season it just feels like i get turboblended on some pulls

Dont really know which exact mob is the culprit, but I think it's the ones that slash that deal really heavy tank damage

[slender bison]

Tainted slash from commanders and blue swords mobs. If you don't parry, those stacks go high

[lunar flare]

I've tried this pull and find the healing absorb plus the dot is pretty wild

But then a pug will body pull the 2 just to the side, and then it's time to say your goodbyes and enter the spirit realm

It's like fucking necrotic weeks all over again when that happens

[fathom oasis]

Died to that exact pull on a 13, but I couldve done so much better

Whats the best way to gather those 2 up? Was having problems with some mobs refusing to move

[lunar flare]

Yeah it's doable! I think if you keep them on one specific side, you'll have space to leap to help the stacks drop off

[slender bison]

The two biggest and most efficient pulls are: left after cathedral miniboss and top at the ramparts tent two packs after voidball miniboss

No matter the key level

The fountain packs are a trap, always have been

[lunar flare]

If you pull the caster pack first, then leap into the stairs gang and meet in the middle

The stairs guys tend to yeet towards you when engaged

Would need kicks on the casters though just to help bring them in so I guess you could do the reverse too

[torpid dome]

which packs are those?

[slender bison]

6+7 from here

But 7 not with the two guys there, but with the 3 pack on the ramparts above

[lunar flare]

Not super awkward tbh, but a little "bitty" and some groups won't expect it

[fathom oasis]

Ping me if you send it later pls

[mellow yoke]

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[fierce mulch]

😎

[mellow yoke]

that was fast

[forest spindle]

i was legit expecting Musk getting into WoW lol

[lime mantle]

Boost economy is booming so :^)

[arctic marten]

If the target is in execute range, and Shield Slam would overcap rage, should I press Execute instead, or Ignore Pain + Shield Slam?

[forest spindle]

uh, I'm not that great of a warrior player so you should not take this as an advise to immediate action, but I legit don't even have execute on my bar lol - i just dump everything in SB/IP/occasional Revenge. i'm only concerned of not wasting a single Thunderclap gcd which is like 60%+ of warrior damage this season

[jagged pier]

U should really focus on not missing a SS gcd

As that is far more important

[forest spindle]

SS too, yeah

[torpid dome]

are you playing colossus?

[forest spindle]

nope, Thane

[torpid dome]

I think with MT you absolutely wanna execute at times when possible

[jagged pier]

Nah thats only if u running the talents

Well on st i guess but you wouldnt in aoe

[torpid dome]

ahh ok

defensive build I guess (so wowhead push build) is less execute focused then?

[jagged pier]

Yer

[torpid dome]

fair

[pliant helm]

I did this exact pull in a 17 and it was just death on death. It def could’ve been more me playing bad . But damn it was just so much pain that was not ignored

[hard wolf]

I have a question for the nexus king. When we are tanking the beam are we pressing IP SB SW SR? Everything tbf plus an external?

[undone beacon]

As long as you’re not also eating the tankbuster right before breath then you should be good with SR + SW, never needed an external when played properly

[torpid dome]

max out your IP during his cast, shield wall and SB should be sufficient then

but keep an eye on your health

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto rise and grind!

[frosty mango]

Nim is a company man, he’s probably already on his second pot of coffee

[dusky canopy]

Nim is good man we like nim

[warped pelican]

is there a haste number that i dont want to go over .. i have 30k haste but if i sim stats it says its my lowest secondary but everything i read is saying stack as much haste as possible

[dusky canopy]

In terms of dps simming the current gear you have available to you is what’s best

About 25k is when you swap to ITF

[torpid dome]

you swap earlier afaik, 22-23k or so?

[warped pelican]

itf in to the fray ?

[torpid dome]

yes

and at 30k haste, you're in the 'Dump haste for other stats" territory

I hit 29k earlier this week with a swap to a new neck

decided to move all my gems, fiber and ring enchants towards crit

now I'm at 25k ish haste

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that could be the case, I was just going off memory from what I thought Nim taught me 😆

[solid sun]

You don’t have to swap

You’re still going to have gaps at 22k

[warped pelican]

if i swap into itf wouldnt that just give me even more haste ?

[solid sun]

So if you want to go HR to stop that there’s no shame in it.

[dusky canopy]

It does but you want a base amount without ITF

Before swapping

[torpid dome]

yeah but 28-30k is too much I think

[dusky canopy]

I haven’t tanked high keys as Prot in years I should get back into it, little fun side gig or something

[solid sun]

It’s too much but it doesn’t matter

[dusky canopy]

Maybe just be a +12 blaster or something play for highest overall

[solid sun]

You know if we ever do prot discord keys you could tank for everyone

The one person who doesn’t play prot, plays prot

[dusky canopy]

Watching 5 Prot war keys again would be lit

[jagged pier]

Miss those days

Me nome mwahi goode and erga

Fun times

[dusky canopy]

Was great content!

Nomer no stream wow anymore

[solid sun]

Nome abandoned us

Didn’t even vote first

[warm plinth]

Morning

[dusky canopy]

Gnash!

[solid sun]

Good morning

We’re another day closer to the weekend

[torpid dome]

I mean honestly, it should be very doable I think until we get to 14+ range no?

that's where 4,5m overall dps will start to drop off?

[jagged pier]

I mean in SLs when 5 tanks keyes were going on they got close to top lvl keys before they stopped

[torpid dome]

most difficult will probable be survivability?

[jagged pier]

5 tank keys goes hard

[torpid dome]

might even be good to bring in a brewmaster, just for the buff lmao

[solid sun]

Brew, Venge, pal, 2x pwar

[torpid dome]

are venge and pal benefits big enough to catch the lower damage of missing 2x prot warrior?

[solid sun]

Lots of utility

[torpid dome]

thats true for sure

well, lets plan it lmao

[shrewd grove]

Honestly I bet you could do a 13-14 with it

[forest spindle]

just did 200 stack Crystalmaw, delve trinket seems like a free IP lol

[warm plinth]

Idk what a 200 stack crystalmaw is

[dusky canopy]

I think that’s a delve trinket

[warm plinth]

The trinket is the crappy ethergauze thing

Oh I see it in the background. Must be a named tanking dummy or something

[forest spindle]

yeah lol, it is the one which hits you and stacks dmg

[molten epoch]

Is it normal for me to be struggling with AOE threat? Last night I had a DH dying pretty frequently at the start of his rotation to pulling threat instantly even after I had thunder clapped at least once, maybe twice. It was a 12, I'm 704 with 4 piece and 720 wep/shield. Standard wow head push keys build for the most part. The mobs would turn and 1 shot him and go right back to hitting me

Mountain thane btw

[warm plinth]

Not really enough information to say anything for sure unfortunately

Do you have video maybe?

[molten epoch]

He was a guildie so I know he was holding his combo for a few seconds at the start before going in, he was definitely trying not to insta burst before I tagged

No video. Was a 12 priory

[warm plinth]

All I can say is that once I've settled and started hitting things, I generally don't lose aggro unless there's like a random mob I for whatever reason didn't get much on and that happens to be the one they are targeting.

[torpid dome]

Hmm how do you grab aggro? with a thunder clap? or just shieldslam into a pack?

I rarely loose aggro this season

only on some very big packs where you dont always hit everything

[molten epoch]

I'll usually shieldslam or charge to the mob in front and then thunder clap right after, and try to tag each range with a throw, but obviously in priory some ranged won't move in till later

[warm plinth]

Do you have a log possibly?

Otherwise we're just speculating

[torpid dome]

is it only on the first pull? or on more pulls into the dungeon as well?

[molten epoch]

More pulls

Up till after the first boss he was having issues

He was even in discord like "holding... Holding...." Then he'd jump in and do his DH opener and BLaM insta dead

[warm plinth]

Were you losing aggro to everything or just one mob?

[molten epoch]

Seemed like one or two

They would instantly go back to me as well, so there was barely time to even tell which mobs had hit him

If others are not having this issue that answers my question though that I just need to tighten up my opener

[warm plinth]

Yeah no issues here

[drowsy shale]

Haven’t had much issues other then the good old dps blew there load while mobs are gathering tbh

[plush tendon]

has anyone tried a 5 tank hardmode run?

me and the bois thinking about attempting it

[warm plinth]

No but I'm sure it's possible and probably not that difficult

[plush tendon]

[torpid dome]

its probably easier, maybe go 4tank + 1 healer? im not sure if the self sustain is sufficient

[plush tendon]

the reason we are going 5 tank, is there are no god damn healers in my guild

but we were thinking Prot War, Prot Pal, BDK, Brew, VDH

are there any dispells that only healers can do?

I dont think so? Right?

[torpid dome]

lmao

[plush tendon]

its so bad... I just boosted a shaman

Im going to try my hand at healing

once I get it leveled to 80

[torpid dome]

oooffff

Our guild is decently balanced lmao, small guild

[plush tendon]

Ive never healed before

[plush tendon]

im in a Mythic CE guild... but our guild healers are just raid loggers

or made dps alts

[torpid dome]

but we have 2 fixed tanks, 3 fixed healers, one variable tank, 2 variable healers and x variable weekle dps lmao

[plush tendon]

like idiots

we have to rely on our danish priest healer

and his army of priest alts

[torpid dome]

oh we're defo not Myth CE guild

progging on hc dimensius since yesterday lmao

[plush tendon]

oooo grats

Dimensius is a fun fight

that and Nexus King

both are bangers

[torpid dome]

Nexus king was fun, P3 with the stars is such chaos lmao

we died at 0,3% last week

[plush tendon]

I love it

we fucked up the star placement on our alt run yesterday

[torpid dome]

and this week we had a 4% wipe before we killed it with like 5 people alive lmao

[plush tendon]

and the alt rl was just like 'aight bois, everythings fucked... just game'

[torpid dome]

XD

we had 30 minutes of progging on dimensius, but... I gues ppl just zoned out

lmao

didnt get past P1

[plush tendon]

hardest part of Dimen is P1

the intermission isnt bad

just make sure you have the p2 adds in the right spot

and P3 is just a big burn

reminds me of Razageth p3 a little

[elfin elk]

Prepare to start yelling at your DPS to not stand on you in P3

[potent mist]

Cheers lads! Quick question on Nexus King's Vanquish: Is the shadowy component reduced by avoidance? (I know you can deflect it as a warrior!)

[elfin elk]

Otherwise they will start yelling at you

[plush tendon]

the strat I learned was always be to the right of the dps

so DPS are stacked 90 degrees away

[torpid dome]

the difficult thing on the intermission seems to be to get through P1 with all people alive

so you have enough dps for the adds right?

[plush tendon]

no one should be dying in P1

ideally

[elfin elk]

It's mainly when they all come sprinting my way because there's a supernova going off

[plush tendon]

yea, you have to adjust

tank can sort of just eat those lines

no problem

[tight mural]

okay, gem simming still confuses the piss out of me. can someone clarify - should we be tickign "always use" AND "only max colors"? do you gys select all the gems?

[neon elk]

Whats wrong with druids this season? Havent seen a single one pumping hard

Dps i mean

[mellow yoke]

prob fotm rerollers that saw a tierlist that said they were good

[torpid dome]

I've seen some Ferals that pumped extremely hard early this season

like week 2, 35M+ dps on some packs and 6,5m dps overall on prio

[undone beacon]

Ferals absolutly shred in keys but dont have great ST, boomkins arent really good for any fights in the raid so the best chicken is pretty middle of the road

[torpid dome]

Mightve been an edge case tho

[indigo hawk]

Gem optimisation is really not important right now with all our stats. For me i go with the 3 gems with crit or mastery or vers with haste and then all other are haste/crit
You can sim like you did to gain 0.2% dps but it Will not change a lot IMO

[mellow yoke]

I've seen some ferals demolishing raid bosses

[neon elk]

Ive had 1 bala week1 that did impress me ever since then every dps druid i play with is deep down in overals , same with spriest

[mellow yoke]

or a really weak raid group

[undone beacon]

And I've seen some survival hunters demolish raid bosses, the best players beat the median performances

[mellow yoke]

lesson: dont play with fotm rerollers

[round pendant]

dude inviting people who are like 300+ rating higher than me is always miserable

they for some reason always act like assholes

shammy doesn't lust when he expected

LUST?????????

[mellow yoke]

and always die to mechanics

[round pendant]

and then he's weird and pissy the entire dungeon

[mellow yoke]

I've had multiple 3500 people dying to frontals and staying in shit

[round pendant]

tells shammy when to lust 2 more times (unsolicited advice btw)

then instantly leaves at the end

😔

he didn't even top the meters and died the most too

[indigo hawk]

And yes you should put « always use » and « only max Colors » and select all gem for more details but the sim will take like 30min for like +0,2% dps as a tank

[undone beacon]

sounds like a dps shaman to me

[round pendant]

nah he was a warlock

point is he instantly vibe terrorised my friend (the resto shaman) and made everyone have less fun

by just being miserable and commenting on shit constantly

we still timed it np

[undone beacon]

ohhh i misread

warlocks are either turbo chill or turbo pricks and theres no in-between

[lime spruce]

Does anyone have a good braindead linear route for HoA, I cannot get that damn dungeon down yet

I struggle most with the section right after the first boss w/ all the patrolling shit and the gargoyles that swap from active to stone

[harsh trellis]

yep... this. https://keystone.guru/route/halls-of-atonement/GFJSobq/season-3-easy-free-loot-updated/1

Also

this is 1 pull

bring those 4 mobs into that boss

its trivial

[lime spruce]

delicious thank you very much

[harsh trellis]

you just run down the middle and pull boss with them

[mellow yoke]

this route is bad for higher keys

[ashen kestrel]

can you soak the shock mines in streets with SR or will they still stun you?

[mellow yoke]

1 2 are back to back pulls

but you use all in pull 1

and pull 2 you aint doing shit

[lime spruce]

that's not what I was asking for

when you say "higher" what range do you mean

[harsh trellis]

Probably but it works up to a 13

[lime spruce]

yeah I'm just trying to get my 10s done lol

there is real value when pugging =< 10s to routes that are linear, braindead, and don't require careful skipping or maneuvering around mobs

people body pull / aoe pull dumb shit all the time

[ashen kestrel]

people will still do that in your braindead routes especially in halls, its just a key level thing

people dont know aggro ranges or where to stand

esp with the stone gargoyles

[harsh trellis]

Also the little dudes will just randomly run and pull

[plush tendon]

pull 9, 10, 11 are kind of weird

I feel like you are setting yourself up for a butt pull there

[harsh trellis]

nope its pretty straight forward

I mean Los the pulls and the stuff comes to you. Avoid the pat for 11 and youre fine

I didnt come up with the route. I just used it last night and it worked out fine

[plush tendon]

or just get it all

[harsh trellis]

I dont trust pugs

so no

also 9, youre asking for an extra gargoyle so thats a no

[mellow yoke]

15 - 16 +

[plush tendon]

not really?

[harsh trellis]

absolutely

[plush tendon]

just tag em once the guy turns to stone

and run up

[harsh trellis]

You will always have mr slow legs pug

and they will butt pull the gargoyle

[plush tendon]

ok, keep your lame route

[harsh trellis]

im not chancing that in a pug

Like I said not my route. someone wanted a straight forward route for a 10

thats an easy straight forward route you can use up to a 13

[lime spruce]

Yeah I'm just looking to work up to 12s for now, if I decide to keep going at that point I'll be good enough / playing wiht good enough people to do the more intricate routes

[lime spruce]

it's strategically lame to account for hunters 😆

[harsh trellis]

Hunters or boomkins

[lime spruce]

like I cooked up my own route yesterday for dawnbreaker that involves no hopping around, it's mandatory trash plus a side church sweep, small house mobs, and then clearing all the trash in the courtyard around boss 3 and it got me right at 100.5%ish, not the most mathmatically efficient but there is real value in making things super easy and clear for pugs

[plush tendon]

I dont trust boomkins

they do piss damage

hunters though... I dont see many, but they be blasting

[harsh trellis]

I like boomkins in big pull scenarios

to blow things up

there are just accidental pulls with their spells falling from the sky

[plush tendon]

jumping around is what makes Dawnbreaker good though; I feel like you are forcing harder pulls on the group

that stuff around the 2nd boss is actual aids

[lime spruce]

not at mid/low keys, like 8-9s

[plush tendon]

in mid to low keys, you honestly can just do whatever you want

like, IDK

doesnt change my statement; the trash there is bad

lots of casts

and group damage

[lime spruce]

just so we don't talk past each other, my point is that in the 8-9 pug range I value reliability and clarity way more than other efficiencies

[harsh trellis]

For Dawnbreaker its best to get to around 69% at the cathedral - you then get to 83% at the inn, and then the last pull with the Ball chick is your 94% before you need to go up.