protection

[lusty grotto]

nah its useless to sim in dstance

[viral jackal]

Sorry for dumb question but raidbots isn't working for me

1. Myth track helm I can catalyze next week

or

2. Heroic Brand of Ceaseless Ire (S Tier Trinket)

Current trinkets - Champ Tome of Dev and Heroic Pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

pick sacbrood

[lusty grotto]

giga sus

[gentle pier]

So Tome+ Sav both myth is a soilid m+ choice then

Sac*

[viral jackal]

I'm not super familiar with raid bots but can't get it to understand the combinations I want it to do

[lusty grotto]

pick the helm honestly

[viral jackal]

That's what I was leaning, my thought was always Myth > non myth

[lusty grotto]

unless

unless you clear araz on mythic

[viral jackal]

Nah just plexus

[lusty grotto]

you go helm

[viral jackal]

ty kind sir

[lusty grotto]

what combinations are you even trying

just pick the items and sim

but in this case a myth track helm can be harder to get

either choice is fine

[viral jackal]

so the myth helm would break my 4 piece, and I assume breaking 4 piece would just be giga dps loss.

So I want the thing to understand that I'll basically be using a catalyst. So I guess just trinket vs myth tier helm (once I make it tier)

[lusty grotto]

hit the plus sign

on the helm

and click catalize

like this

then unpick the uncatalized helm

[sage geyser]

why does raidbots dps have have ignore pain used instantly

and does it buff dps

[lusty grotto]

what

[silk trail]

if you want to drop a defensive talent between shield spec and enduring alacrity, how do you decide?

[sage geyser]

ignore pain

at start of dps rotation

why?

[viral jackal]

oh boy

[lusty grotto]

because it follows the conditions

IP at 70+ rage

[sage geyser]

whats ip?

[lusty grotto]

Ignore

Pain

[viral jackal]

More Ignore Pain = More Violent Outburst

[lusty grotto]

actions+=/ignore_pain,if=target.health.pct>=20&(rage.deficit<=15&cooldown.shield_slam.ready|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_charge.ready|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.shield_charge.ready|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled|rage.deficit<=20&cooldown.avatar.ready|rage.deficit<=45&cooldown.demoralizing_shout.ready&talent.booming_voice.enabled&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=30&cooldown.avatar.ready&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled|rage.deficit<=20|rage.deficit<=40&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=55&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&buff.violent_outburst.up&buff.last_stand.up&talent.unnerving_focus.enabled&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled|rage.deficit<=17&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.heavy_repercussions.enabled|rage.deficit<=18&cooldown.shield_slam.ready&talent.impenetrable_wall.enabled)|(rage>=70|buff.seeing_red.stack=7&rage>=35)&cooldown.shield_slam.remains<=1&buff.shield_block.remains>=4&set_bonus.tier31_2pc,use_off_gcd=1

rage use goes into Anger Management (AM) and into Violent Outburst (VO or Outburst)

using rage is core to our gameplay

IP is the way we burn rage

[viral jackal]

Otherwise you'd just overcapping rage and wasting it

[lusty grotto]

more rage use = more avatars, more walls, more bigger TBs and SS

[viral jackal]

Ahh, I did that but clicked off my current tier helm and it fucking broke it. It's make me select the current one I'm wearing in order to sim the rest, which is odd but ty

[sage geyser]

why use it over revenge?

[lusty grotto]

because its off gcd

and revenge is ON the gcd

the faster you use rage, the better

and if you can use it in between rage generator gcds, then even better

why are you going over the simcraft breakdown?

[sage geyser]

what does gcd mean

[viral jackal]

ay carumba

Global cool down

[sage geyser]

whats the difference

[lusty grotto]

ill ask again

[sage geyser]

it has a 1 second cooldown

[lusty grotto]

why are you going over the simcraft breakdown?

[sage geyser]

cuz my friend is doing no damage compared to other warriors

[torpid dome]

well time to move away some haste lmao

[lusty grotto]

a simcraft breakdown is not a good thing to use to help them out

[sage geyser]

and would prefer to know the exact reasons and what scales with what

[lusty grotto]

especially if you dont understand the concepts of GCD and oGCD

a log would be a lot better if you post it here

[sage geyser]

would u mind explaining then?

[lusty grotto]

open your spell book

and use an ability

do you see everything on cd? thats the gcd

do you see skills NOT going on cd? those are off-gcd

it means you can weave them in between

[sage geyser]

oh right

[lusty grotto]

IP is offgcd

so, is everything else i mentioned starting to make sense?

post a log and we'll help your friend

[sage geyser]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

also this is infinitely better than using simc breakdowns: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank

[sage geyser]

got it

[deft mortar]

Got myth track shield

How much a diff does having 723 shield make

[lusty grotto]

ok, but youre probably gonna do more harm than good explaining a simc breakdown

[deft mortar]

Speaking of IP, it feels alot smaller than it did in S1 relative to my health pool and dmg taken

I got 29M HP unbuffed now and IP ticks are like what, 2.4M?

Is IP post or pre mitigation?

[lusty grotto]

post

[deft mortar]

Thank fkn god

[lusty grotto]

its the 2nd to last thing to get damage checked

[deft mortar]

Can you imagine

[lusty grotto]

the last thing being other partial absorbs

[deft mortar]

Beatiful

Like cloak and trinket I guess

Lowkey no other tanks feels as good as prot warr

[solid sun]

Glad you’re enjoying it

[deft mortar]

BDK is like playing a slot machine, Prot Paladin is close 2nd but very weird talents/spells

Prot Warr plays same as it did in Legion for me

I gotta try guardian, havoc, and alcholic specs too

Guardian they say, is kinda similiar.

Any suggestions?

[sterile orbit]

rshaman

[deft mortar]

Underrated tank fr

[fair beacon]

question: which weapon enchant is best atm?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best

[dusky canopy]

Hello Nim!

[lusty grotto]

yo

[dusky canopy]

What it do

[lusty grotto]

not a good week tbh

in general lmao

but im working on turning the car around

at least its a short week

[solid sun]

Yo it actually has been a pretty bad week

And we started with a day off

[torpid inlet]

What plater profile do you fellows use

Geared up enough now to start doing some relevant content

[lusty grotto]

quazii's are free

and pretty decent

[solid sun]

I think mine is called Jundies

Something like that

[sick merlin]

I use Jundies, I think it’s similar to quazii

[lusty grotto]

there's not a correct one

[jagged gust]

Just one you eventually get used to

[lusty grotto]

its mostly what you like the most

[sick merlin]

I always just sort but stars or downloads on wago.io and the top ones are generally pretty good

[undone beacon]

Nameplates are a crutch remove them until midnight

Base UI no addons just rawdoggin the game

[solid sun]

I’ve been considering getting rid of omnicd

If I’m honest with myself I don’t use it

[sharp gale]

I removed it

[solid sun]

Except for the kick tracker

[sharp gale]

I never looked at it for others CDs, took me a while to notice I was just ignoring it

[solid sun]

Do you use some other kick tracker

Or do you not look at that either

[pure pebble]

Same for me, but I use atrocity ui so everytime there's an update it comes back :P

[lusty grotto]

i shotcall for my friends so its needed

[sharp gale]

Kick tracker is the same, I never looked at it tbf, it was my own kick tracker, when I’m premade we just call

1 dude needs it in a premade

[mighty valley]

i use omnicd in a really vague way - just kinda glance and make sure some high percentage of the little boxes look full before i commit to a dangerous pull

and also occasionally for spell reflect confidence

[torpid inlet]

Ok I've been using jundies but didn't know if there was one for threat or w e backwards, I guess if they red I got em lol

[lusty grotto]

i dont use jundies but

this is on the wago page

[icy haven]

if u get the same trinket twice at same ilvl, but dont have 2 701 trinkets, can u trade it the second time?

[lusty grotto]

i dont think so but i could be wrong

afaik both slots have to be the ilvl of the drop or higher

[torpid inlet]

Sick, now just have to make a few wa to tell me if I have shield block and to. Yell to ip at me at a certain rage and I'm gtg

Is nice sort of a low tracking playstyle

[swift veldt]

Just wanted to make sure, so if im not a mythic raider and even if i was some day i will get even a chances for soulhunters boots with myth track... am i safe with crafting boots as third item right now ? I dont see any crit haste boots in m+, im 706 and my boots are 670 and my wrists are 698 so i could craft one of those right now for second embelishment.

[wary geyser]

hey guys. I want to know how can I do high AoE and ST damage as a warr tank and what talent I had to use and what is the rotation?
and then MT or Colossus for higher DPS??

[warm temple]

hey is it worth to get craften weapon and a shield?

crafted*

i don't think i am going to get a myth track any time soon

[wary geyser]

no. most ppl have crafted shield

[warm temple]

oh cool

so shield before weapon right?

[wary geyser]

yeah. because u can find good sword in m+

[warm temple]

well the guides usually say craft the wrist but i don't push the ilvl that much before get bored and quit wow for another season so :D

[wary geyser]

but its hard for shield

[wary geyser]

guides are always talking about player with Higher drop chance

[lusty grotto]

yes

[sick whale]

Does the raidbots sims work for prot warrior? My sims (5 min, single target/1,5min, 5 targets) all giving me mastery gems and like 300k+ dps. Usually sims get right for my Blood DK

[lusty grotto]

yes it works

thats accurate, it depends on your stats

high haste + high crit usually means Mastery/Vers will have more weight

[lusty grotto]

youre safe, either way youll get more sparks

[lusty grotto]

see the last part of this #protection message

[lusty grotto]

use the vault key build for M+ and the raid builds on wowhead (icyveins have similar)

if you need tips on your gameplay we will need logs -- and with 4pc you should be thane

[nocturne spindle]

its better to be pressing something than nothing is the general advice for more damage

[median swift]

Hmm, what would be the correct choice here? Got ceaseless ire 691 and Soulbinders Embrace 691 and i do not have 4set

[lusty grotto]

would shoulder complete your 4pc?

[median swift]

would give 3pcs and i can cata

[shrewd grove]

I mean, if you don't have 4pc your goal should be to get 4pc immediately. If shoulders get you there do those

[lusty grotto]

astral antenna is pretty good

idk

we get a cata next reset

so honestly its a toss up

[vital vale]

ugh i gotta choose between hero antenna or myth crit/haste ring. im just gonna wait until i see if i can get hero antenna from raid first i guess

[solid sun]

Ire isn’t as farmable as shoulders

But idk how good ire is in comparison to other things at that ilvl

[lusty grotto]

its a myth shoulder so

i would lean to shoulders

but honestly its between myth shoulder and antenna

anything else there can wait

[median swift]

Ye, the trinket would get easier to get as its only hc?

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably

[median swift]

ill grab the shoulders and cata a hero pcs Thanks 😄

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Good afternoon

[lusty grotto]

yo

[deep iris]

Is Tome from Priory just a myth at this point? No drops and no vaults with is.

[pallid quiver]

no, ghash got the only tome

Only one person per season is allowed to get tome

[undone beacon]

They hotfixed tome out of the game actually, if you didnt get one you never will sorry

[pallid quiver]

and he got it on run 3

[deep iris]

29 runs lol. I'm going to go insane.

[pallid quiver]

rookie numbers

[warm plinth]

Just get it 4Head

[undone beacon]

Consider this
Your trinkets are fine
Tome won't make you a substantially better player
Dont burn yourself out in priory
Slow down and enjoy the game

[shrewd grove]

I finally got mine yesterday out of a random 8 I ran with some guildie alts. So anti climactic lol

[mighty valley]

actually if it drops from the dungeon it's just a hero at this point

[warm plinth]

If it helps, you're nowhere near how many it took Nimchip last season to get his.

[mighty valley]

gottem

[warm plinth]

ba-dum-tiss

[deep iris]

I'm unsure who that is. How many runs were they at?

[warm plinth]

46 iirc

[pallid quiver]

this rat

[undone beacon]

the screenshot

is giga

[pallid quiver]

And yeah, he's in the 40s or so

[lusty grotto]

what

[pallid quiver]

er, was the 40s

[undone beacon]

im gonna make my pfp the screenshot of nim saying yo, just you wait

[deep iris]

Damn, I'm about to do run 30, hopefully I don't hit 40s lol

[lusty grotto]

last season? 49

[warm plinth]

A nimtherat a nimtherat a nimtherat a nimtherat

[pallid quiver]

I was just gonna say that I should save this screenshot

[lusty grotto]

this season? 26

[warm plinth]

It's like that song in lion king

[pallid quiver]

Just like have a pocket Nim response

It's almost like I can hear him now...

[lusty grotto]

smh my head

[mighty valley]

hey does anyone feel like picking up lunch for the discord

thanks man

[undone beacon]

Anyone want to volunteer to heal my rat alt keys?

How generous

[wise wyvern]

Hello Guys, can u please help me with my Vault ? I have 3/4 Tset and got this Vault. what is the best Possible Item to go for. Thank you for Response and help

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[wise wyvern]

Thank you ❤️ Seems like its the myth track T set

[steep pivot]

hey bro its nice to complete tier, but you got decent trinket option there, myth version pacemaker is very nice, you can play as dmg with the same trnk

[undone beacon]

Completing tier is 100% priority for prot warr

[lusty grotto]

thats not a myth pace

[undone beacon]

and thats a hero pace yeah

[wise wyvern]

Yep it is Hero track

[steep pivot]

oh true... damn i didnt noticed

[undone beacon]

Myth pace I'd say go run raid and see if you can get tier there first but... for hero pace meh

[steep pivot]

yes i agree

[torpid dome]

again no brand on soul hunters 😢

[wise wyvern]

thanks for the fast response Dps wise the sim goes for Legs cause i have Chest Shoulder and Gloves as Hero T set already

[solid sun]

When is blizz announcing the new spell breaker class that random mmochampion poster said was a leak for Midnight

[undone beacon]

right now actually

[pallid quiver]

when is blizz making me food

[jagged pier]

bleieve somthing u read on mmo champion

[undone beacon]

the m in mmo stands for mmmmmtrustworthy

[solid sun]

I knew it

Thanks pash

I knew I wouldn’t be let down by random mmochampion poster

[lusty grotto]

NGl guys while you were putting the yo thing

[median swift]

how well does this perform? 🙂 Just got it from the TW quest

[lusty grotto]

i was tanking on alt

and i watched as i moved a boss away from an evoker breath

[jagged pier]

sim

[lusty grotto]

and he stared at me

i couldnt stop laughing

[undone beacon]

did you hit him with the

[lusty grotto]

i said nothing

[still glade]

Talking about survavility (m+), whats the best Crit(parry) or Vers?

[lusty grotto]

i just watched him stare at me with murder eyes

[pallid quiver]

Crit's more likely to save your life, so it's more useful overall

They both reduce damage intake, though; parry only works on melees, but it makes your IP work more on magic/unparriable damage as a result

[still glade]

I was trying to stack vers but checking murlokio, most players are going crit < vers

[pallid quiver]

Ultimately, it'd entirely depend on damage profiles, and is a small enough difference that it's not worth fussing over

You lose notably more damage dropping crit, though, as a heads up.

[lusty grotto]

like this you mean?

which is

[pallid quiver]

Since most people are playing Prot War because it do dameg

[lusty grotto]

in the wowhead prot guide?

that we recommend reading?

[dusky canopy]

Ahh yes I returned at just the right time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1412873432454140017/image.png?ex=68b9e06c&is=68b88eec&hm=ce0877eb4096ffae571c813365d96fe698dcaed12bb4aee3efa1f2c2cd760131&

[pallid quiver]

As some future-proof info, barring some wild changes, Crit is just flat out stronger and required as the stat after Haste for Colossus, as the hero spec stops functioning if you don't crit enough

[still glade]

I have 6.5k crit 20k haste and 19.9k vers. I think im doing it wrong

[dusky canopy]

That’s my boy!

Being cool

[sterile orbit]

read? i just look at the pretty pictures

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[dusky canopy]

Hip with it

[lusty grotto]

you should have a lot more haste

[pallid quiver]

Ultimately, all secondary stats are good for prot war, as we get value out of all of them. Some are just better than others, though. You won't stop functioning no matter what your secondary spread is as long as you have stats (ilvl)

[lusty grotto]

and a whole less vers

[mellow yoke]

how much keys do I have to time to remove my keystone deserter

[jagged gust]

I have 70% mastery, sometimes ilvl upgrades betray you

[pallid quiver]

I have less haste than that 🙁

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gangstas-whats-up-guys-hey-whats-up-hello-gif-17098292

This is Nim saying yo

I imagine

[lusty grotto]

im just saying cause 20k haste and IF they are running ITF, they are getting gapped

[pallid quiver]

I have like 18.5K haste and am running ITF and still have 92% block rate smh

[lusty grotto]

dat me

[pallid quiver]

just kill the enemies before you run into gaps in uptime

it's so ez

[lusty grotto]

i mean sure

but we're not him

or them, rather

[dusky canopy]

Bro your team let you play the game yet!? Smh

[lusty grotto]

ill fill you in later

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-en-sacrement-regard-de-feu-gif-15231722216266444049

I’ll glare at em

!!!!

[mellow yoke]

how much keys do I have to time to remove my keystone deserter

[lusty grotto]

tbf my game was fucking freezing randomly last night

[lusty grotto]

idk we're not scumbags

so we have no experience

get fucked

[dusky canopy]

HAH Gottem

God dayum

Lmao

[solid sun]

lol

[mellow yoke]

I mean I on the other had being a scumbag value my time and rather get deserter than rot in a depleted key

so if you dont know dont type

ffs

[solid sun]

Does anything happen to someone if they get kicked out of a group?

[jagged gust]

How do I tell several people "the trials are better at the game then you, but take a seat because the bench still needs warming?"

[shrewd grove]

Lmao Nim. Get his ass

[lusty grotto]

stop spamming the same question and ask your fellow leavers

which are not us

[shrewd grove]

Yo, who the fuck comes in here and asks a dumb question and then has the nerve to get upset about being called out on it?

Boo this man

[lusty grotto]

or read the dumb debuff

[solid sun]

If the vote to abandon fails, I continue the key

[shrewd grove]

Google is free

[solid sun]

I don’t just abandon

[mellow yoke]

1. not a dumb question
2. I have no reason to get called out
3. Google doesnt give a certain answer

[dusky canopy]

It’s almost like they have a vote system for a reason

[lusty grotto]

lol i dont mind him asking, i mind him posting it twice like we're supposed to know what a shit player needs to do to get rid of a much deserved debuff

[pallid quiver]

I don't think so, but I haven't really kicked anyone. You also are free to leave once the time runs out, as well; don't have to be held hostage for a complete.

[mellow yoke]

It's almost as if the vote system is not available for the first 5 minutes, even though some keys end in first pull

[frosty mango]

“The trials are outplaying you. Soon they will replace you. Improve on these things”

[dusky canopy]

If you are in a +10 or lower deal with it people do that shit for rewards

[mellow yoke]

in a 15

[dusky canopy]

If you are above 10 it’s very likely people will agree to gg go next

[jagged pier]

we back

[mellow yoke]

yeah but some dont leave for some reason

[dusky canopy]

This guy plays the game!

[lusty grotto]

[mellow yoke]

so you are held hostage

[pallid quiver]

jakey how do i do raid

[dusky canopy]

[frosty mango]

Huge

[blazing ridge]

Dude nice

[sterile orbit]

if you all walk out and leader resets no one get debuff

[jagged pier]

press buttons

[solid sun]

Nice Jakey

[blazing ridge]

Man I press buttons 🙁

[mellow yoke]

yeah but leader didn't want to go out and reset

[mighty valley]

HELD HOSTAGE....... for five minutes

[jagged pier]

full disclourse thats boss damage, because i dont have a raid that lets me cheese adds

[solid sun]

I’m literally shaking while the bank robbers wave guns around

[pallid quiver]

The thing is that you're not considered held hostage, as you are considered to be choosing to elect the time a key runs for with the option to vote out. You're the one considering yourself held hostage.

Also, you don't get the deserter debuff after just one or a "few" leaves

it takes a non-zero amount of leaves

[sterile orbit]

oh well if people are petty then be petty back play bad pull dogshit force another wipe

[deep iris]

To confirm, for embellishments, once you have 2 Dusk/Dawnthread linings, you go for elemental focusing lenses, correct?

[mellow yoke]

a +15 is not timeable if you fail first pull with a BL

[pallid quiver]

You generally won't get a comfy response over this, and Blizz doesn't really have an incentive to give a concrete number of timed keys to clear it

[dusky canopy]

Actually not entirely true

We have enough ilvl to smoke a 15 timer

If you play with people fairly above average

[pallid quiver]

and that's, like,

not a problem

You still elected to join a key with a time limit, of which you're socially expected to be able to allocate all the time for with the option for a group to decide to leave early, with a few leniencies for times of emergency

[mellow yoke]

fairly above average is an understatement

[solid sun]

Am I just super naive? If the group doesn’t want to abandon and you don’t think it’s timeable isn’t it still a useful to use the rest of the time to practice pulls? Wouldn’t that make the key easier for you next time

[mellow yoke]

the first pull is not the same after a wipe

[dusky canopy]

That’s the idea rhino

[sterile orbit]

just pretend its league full mute and int until the key is bricked aw man sorry guys i didnt mean to pull 6 sharpshooters and 2 knights

[mellow yoke]

you lack major CDS, BL, mental, etc

[solid sun]

There’s still the rest of the key

[mighty valley]

can't you just play for five minutes and then make your case to abandon in a respectful fashion

[blazing ridge]

So you train first pull then and wipe at some other pull you never saw before?

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been in plenty of failed pug 15s and not one of them didn’t agree to gg go next

[blazing ridge]

At the respective key level?

[dusky canopy]

So idk what’s up with your situation tbh

[coarse kernel]

I bet I know what's up

[mellow yoke]

leader went afk inside of dungeon

[pallid quiver]

Also, reading a forum post, you're also able to leave a key by having the party walk out and reset an instance; I don't know if this actually works, since I haven't tried, but a thing for the future

[mellow yoke]

and wouldnt go out to reset

[sterile orbit]

ya but going afk like that is reportable

[dusky canopy]

The other 4 wouldn’t agree collectively to leave?

[lusty grotto]

that kinda sounds like someone was being an asshole

[mellow yoke]

You cant collectively agree to leave before the 5 minutes is up

[dusky canopy]

Yeah so what

[coarse kernel]

someone

[dusky canopy]

Go take a piss

Rip a bowl

[mighty valley]

i'm guessing we're not getting the full picture of how this went down lol

[dusky canopy]

Whatever you’re into

[mighty valley]

also how it went down multiple times to get the black mark

[sterile orbit]

but then ur afk at start and thats reportable

just soft int like in league

[solid sun]

Why are we inting

Who are you people

[coarse kernel]

idk, I'm a warrior, I only know Zug

[mellow yoke]

Ok I will explain it as accurately as it went, FG first pull on a +15, 4 deaths first pull (somehow), at this point the timer is on 2:30 and half the HP with 1 DPS alive other staying on the ground, I just turn my backk to mobs, We all leave and healer (leader) is inside and wont leave to reset the dungeon

[dusky canopy]

Idk maybe I’ve just out grown cringe behavior like that but I personally just keep playing the game if everyone else agrees to keep going?

Seems pretty standard in my mind

[mellow yoke]

would you

in your sane mind

continue that key

[lusty grotto]

wait 5 mins and /abandon

i dont see the problem

[jagged pier]

yer ppl arent doing that

[still glade]

Im sorry to ask, but whats IF and ITF?

[solid sun]

Sure. And then 5 minutes later I’d vote again

[undone beacon]

Ironfur and Into the Fray afaik

[lusty grotto]

ITF = into the fray

[coarse kernel]

He only has exactly 28 minutes to run a dungeon, then he has to get back to the surgical suite

[sterile orbit]

if hes afk at start report him

[undone beacon]

We talkin Ironfur?!?!

Is the moose loose?!!

[lusty grotto]

idk, i guess they are

[mellow yoke]

All the times I've reported someone for afk never have I got told my reports did something

[undone beacon]

Look at this hunk of moose meat

[mellow yoke]

or reported someone for whatever

[dusky canopy]

A singular individual in a key cannot hold 4 other people hostage you can out vote them

[mellow yoke]

not just afk

[dusky canopy]

So something isn’t adding up

[mellow yoke]

we cannot vote

[pallid quiver]

but all i do is press buttons and i never hit any raid bosses somehow

[mighty valley]

can you

wait

five minutes

[stiff gate]

if the key is dead, and everyone knows its dead, why must everyone sit there for 5 minutes twiddling their thumbs?

[dusky canopy]

Wait until the time is up

[mighty valley]

or is your heart about to explode if you don't leave right now

is this a Speed situation

a Crank

[mellow yoke]

One person gets it

[lusty grotto]

the dodging is real

[mellow yoke]

This system blatantly sucks, on +10 thats recoverable, on higher keys one pull can end the key

[dusky canopy]

You don’t all 5 can walk out and toggle reset

[deep iris]

Before I craft belt, to confirm, for embellishments, once you have 2 Dusk/Dawnthread linings, you go for elemental focusing lenses, correct?

[stiff gate]

thought this got fixed?

[deep iris]

I think I'm reading the WoWhead guide correctly

[lusty grotto]

only for ST, but you cant equip more than 2 embelishments anyway

[dusky canopy]

In his situation the leader afkd so just deal with it for 5 minutes

[mellow yoke]

ok

imagine that

I run

5 16s

or whatever

high keys

[jagged pier]

F

[mellow yoke]

first pulls bricked 5 times

I gotta wait 5 mins 5 times

25 mins wasted

rotting in dungeon on a dead key

[lusty grotto]

is this the first season you play?

[deep iris]

What do we use for embellishment for M+? If we have 2 Dusk, do we start adding Dawnthreads?

[mighty valley]

and in every single one of them, the group leader is stubbornly refusing to reset?

[dusky canopy]

I’m not going to imagine this 1/10000000 situation where you are held hostage for 5 16s in a row

It doesn’t happen

[pallid quiver]

You can only have 2 embels at all, so 2 duskthread/dawnthread and you're done with embels

[lusty grotto]

you cant, you can only equip 2 embelishments, you already have two

[jagged pier]

also join a raid team

[deep iris]

Oh I'm so dumb

[mellow yoke]

It's not that unbelieveable for someone to go afk

trust me

[pallid quiver]

fuck that, then i have to schedule time to play this game

It's pain enough to even be like, "Hey Ghash, wanna do keys in 5 hours?"

[undone beacon]

Idk I've ran like 130 keys this season so far and havent run into any abandon issues

[jagged pier]

start a raid team thats ready to log on whenever u say its time

[mellow yoke]

and, thats you

[undone beacon]

Maybe im just a lucky duckling

[lusty grotto]

we dont need to "trust you"

[pallid quiver]

Now Jakey is talkin' my language

[lusty grotto]

you can wait 5 mins and /abandon

[mighty valley]

you're the common factor here, man

[undone beacon]

But it seems this "held hostage" thing is rarer than it lets on

[mellow yoke]

every time someone decides to afk?

[lusty grotto]

most people here have run keys since legion

yes

[pallid quiver]

I should just get 19 more accounts and solo raids

[lusty grotto]

like Luerce said, you already allocated time for a 20-30 min key

[undone beacon]

multibox druids to farm herbs? nah multibox druids to raid

[lusty grotto]

5 mins per wont kill you

[dusky canopy]

I mean hey all I know is at the end of the day it keeps honest people honest and it labels the cringe individuals so the rest of us can avoid them

Seems like a overall W in my book

Perfect system? No
Better than nothing? Yes

[mellow yoke]

Yeah, I might have 40 mins available, 5 mins to abandon another 5-10 mins to find another key

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[mellow yoke]

without the 5 mins to abandon I might have time

With it I cannot

it makes a difference

[lusty grotto]

im not gonna discuss hypotheticals

[mellow yoke]

this system is fine in a +10

[stiff gate]

even assuming the held hostage thing is 1 in a million, what is the advantage of the 5 minute minimum?

[pallid quiver]

your problem is expecting to get more than you should be expecting

[mellow yoke]

but why do I have to experience this

in high keys

[pallid quiver]

Instead of, "I can get another key in!" it should have been "this is my key in this timeframe"

[mellow yoke]

where bricked first pull = bricked run

[lusty grotto]

because people leave on timeable keys often

[mighty valley]

nim, my son is dying on the operating table. he has 53 minutes to live, and the only cure is timing a 16 with pug randos

[lusty grotto]

a tale as old as time

[undone beacon]

I'd imagine its to stop trolls from going into groups and doing /abandon as soon as the key starts

[lusty grotto]

[sterile orbit]

hahahaha aw man thats funny

[undone beacon]

which is just as rare a scenario as holding people hostage

so, whatever

[stiff gate]

so having some asshole sit there waiting for the 5 min timer while you 4 man what could have been a timeable key is better? if a guy decides he's done with the key forcing him to stay inside the instance doesn't actually mean he's going to try

[lusty grotto]

who says you cant keep 4manning?

an afker isnt making you stop

[stiff gate]

lol

[mighty valley]

every game with an abandon mechanic has a minimum timer, they've seen the alternative

[undone beacon]

I think we're losing the plot here lol

[mighty valley]

you can't /ff a league game after you lose first blood

[lusty grotto]

yeah this is a tangent

[sterile orbit]

you cant but you can soft int 🙂

[dusky canopy]

The coolest thing to ever happen to me in this game was starting my de other side key back in SL that I ranked up myself and I finally landed a key that would give me io if time and the moment the key activated and we finished the load screen the boomkin goes “this is jus how this game works :)” and leaves the group and hearths

[undone beacon]

Lets go back to the way it was before when people would randomly leave your key halfway through for no reason! :D

[mellow yoke]

now you're just trolling lmao

[pallid quiver]

I think the plot's finished and we should be talking about the tyranny of the raiding environment requiring me to have other people to play with

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah me and the other 10 people here

[coarse kernel]

The real issue is that if you get the leaver tag, you're probably the problem

[mellow yoke]

Comparing totally different shit

[stiff gate]

what key level are we talking about here? surely not any key level that actually matters

[lusty grotto]

stop being delusional

[mellow yoke]

15

[stiff gate]

if a key is score for me 99% chance im not going to time it 4-manning while someone sits afk lol

[undone beacon]

big raid wants to limit your raiding and encourage friendships. How dare they

Solo raid when

[lusty grotto]

ok then... you wait. 5 mins. and then. you /abandon.

[undone beacon]

The M in MMO stands for leaveMealone

[lusty grotto]

which is what we've been saying

[mellow yoke]

why should I wait

when it's bricked

[vestal relic]

I’m new to tanking m+ is there somewhere I can find non-sweaty routes (7-10 keys)? Threechests has pulls I cannot handle lol

[lusty grotto]

well you dont have to

[stiff gate]

right then we're just right back to "why do i have to sit here for 5 minutes"

[sterile orbit]

cause thats the system

[lusty grotto]

but then you get flagged

[solid sun]

In a discord that features Pepega we have found someone else who takes the cringe mantle and runs with it. Unbelievable

[mighty valley]

because otherwise you'll get a leaver debuff

[coarse kernel]

you don't have to wait

you get a leaver

[mellow yoke]

then the system is bullshit

[coarse kernel]

and we avoid you

[pallid quiver]

This is a fucking travesty, Pash. I've seen how raid groups interact with each other, like 40-60% depending on whether prog is active or not aren't even friends smh

[coarse kernel]

go get friends

[mighty valley]

it's not even five minutes, you've already burned a minute or more to the wipe

[lusty grotto]

^

[mellow yoke]

ok

why should I wait

any amount of time

[undone beacon]

Ah yes because people randomly leaving a key in the middle with no explanation and recieving no punishment was totally fair and rational

[mellow yoke]

on a key that is bricked, yes

[coarse kernel]

Then don't wait

[mighty valley]

because that's how the system works to avoid people trolling it and 3 minutes of your life is not a drastic cost

[coarse kernel]

You don't have to wait

[solid sun]

You know I actually think you shouldn’t wait. That way you maintain the flag and I know who to avoid

[coarse kernel]

It sounds like the system is working exactly as it's intended

[undone beacon]

^

[lusty grotto]

anyone else getting 🥑 vibes ?

[coarse kernel]

Sounds like this guy is a mage in disguise

[lusty grotto]

iykyk

[undone beacon]

This guy is the type to get a ~bad vibe~ about the success of a key and leave halfway through something totally still timeable

[stiff gate]

you guys are wild. just everyone in here assuming that someone who doesnt want to afk 5 mins for zero reason must be a toxic asshole who should be avoided

[solid sun]

Well we’ve also seen his take on vault discussions too

[coarse kernel]

we already established that it's more like 3 minutes

[lusty grotto]

its one thing to not want to wait, but another to bitch for 15 fucking minutes in a prot warrior channel about it

[mighty valley]

someone who doesn't have 3 minutes of patience for the extremely rare occurrence of a key going bad and someone actively holding the group hostage... yeah I dunno, the vibes are clear

[lusty grotto]

whos getting better use of their time?

[undone beacon]

Or you jump into packs a few times to drag the timer down with deaths and /abandon a minute faster idk

[coarse kernel]

I'll give him credit, this has been engaging content

[mellow yoke]

idk, definitely not the ones counter bitching for 15 minuutes in prot warrior channel

[mellow yoke]

that does not work

5 minutes have to pass, not 5 minutes on the timer

[lusty grotto]

excuse me, i separated 15 mins of my time to engage in this conversation

[sterile orbit]

I dont think there toxic i just think people with that tag are low iq or very emotional cause like theres so many ways around not getting the leaver tag.

[coarse kernel]

you should afk for 5 minutes and come here and complain about your group every time

[rough egret]

Yo guys whats up

[solid sun]

Please don’t

[lusty grotto]

post the pic

where is it

[solid sun]

Please don’t encourage that

[lusty grotto]

there it is

[rough egret]

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1402663520029511872/Doom_Gif_2.0.gif

we need this but for yo

[lusty grotto]

i guess i can no longer say yo

can we /abandon guys

[mighty valley]

it's 12:48 in my heart

[coarse kernel]

you gotta wait 5 minutes

[lusty grotto]

son of a bitch

[cerulean tusk]

offtopic: It annoys me that /ff doesnt work

just saying it should

[rough egret]

Im glad the situation is under controll now

[solid sun]

Why would there be a final fantasy command

[lusty grotto]

lmaoo

[undone beacon]

so true bestie

[coarse kernel]

now we can get back to what's really important, looking at people's vaults

[solid sun]

:)

[mighty valley]

it stands for "fuck............ fuck" which is what you say when you realize the key is dead

[lusty grotto]

you know, cat does have a point

[pallid quiver]

i immediately thought force function

i'm cooked, i'm uni pilled

[lusty grotto]

that would be great

[torpid inlet]

Now I mean people are hot to abandon "bricked" keys thst aren't actually as well lol

We had a slow start so Leah's and timed it and they voted to abandon 5 times lol

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-sad-cat-gato-gif-7641156108931201675

shhhh

[lusty grotto]

yeah i covered this

[coarse kernel]

no, we had moved past this

don't re-engage

[lusty grotto]

it is now lost in the sauce

[coarse kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/abort-mission-press-button-press-it-gif-13456843

[torpid inlet]

Ya scanned up didn't see it mb

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-press-button-gif-4770685

[sterile orbit]

/abandon

[pallid quiver]

We could talk about fighting games, instead 🙂

[mighty valley]

quick... post vaults... ask about brutal vitality...

[solid sun]

I just want yall to know that I would afk in a dungeon for 5 minutes for any of you

[undone beacon]

Y'ALL HEAR ABOUT SPELL BLOCK??

[lusty grotto]

bro

[coarse kernel]

RIP in peace

[lusty grotto]

pash that one hurt

[mighty valley]

bro... they removed spell reflect...

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

Actually, how's the GG life been treating you since Evo?

[idle copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=242391/soulbinders-embrace?bonus=7981:12052:5877:12361:12053

Any good as a def trinket? got it from TW quest reward

[mighty valley]

Just do an online weekly, ladder system, lose a lot but occasionally pick up wins

[lusty grotto]

where the fuck do you turn the skip in

[mighty valley]

i keep thinking I should switch off Baiken because ideally I'd be learning everyone else's pressure and that's too much work

but

[lusty grotto]

its ok, but lackluster compared to bomb suit (smaller absorb) -- there are better defensive ones for us, but its good if you have nothing else

[mighty valley]

i like baiken

[undone beacon]

im gonna redownload blender just to make gifs of spellblock being hit with stock explosions

[pallid quiver]

I mean, that's the way to go. You don't need to fully swap off a char to learn their pressure. Just gotta find where they normally reset at and how they frametrap as a starter

[idle copper]

Ive got the S3 Mud one, whats the next decent ones to get?

[pallid quiver]

You like a character, play that character

[lusty grotto]

its only nucleus and mud

[idle copper]

ty

[lusty grotto]

and then embrace/gauze as a 3rd

[coarse kernel]

instead of being defensive, just do more damage

[lusty grotto]

yeah def dont use that trinket at champ track

[pallid quiver]

doesn't ire in raid technically have a defensive component

[lusty grotto]

yes

[pallid quiver]

just say that's a defensive trinkie, ez

[lusty grotto]

well yea

[mighty valley]

yeah, i had a brief sin arc, a brief i-no arc, but it's hard to give up years of muscle memory

and yeah. i like baiken

[pallid quiver]

I really should pick up Xrd again; I like the game.

I just really don't like YRC, but maybe I can get used to it now

[mighty valley]

strive is just... brutal

like being hit with a sledgehammer over and over

[pallid quiver]

strive is a terrible game unless goldlewis is on screen

10/10 the only thing I'm glad about is that it made a lot of major fight devs improve their netcode

[dusky canopy]

Blender sounds cool what’s that

[mighty valley]

yeah thanks strive for that

[pallid quiver]

3D modelling aoftware

and animation, too

[undone beacon]

There we go

[mighty valley]

no thanks strive for having the worst matchmaking systems in the world???

it's so much harder to just. play a guy

than in xrd

[undone beacon]

open source 3d modeling, animation, and video editing tool

I hope y'all like my rendition of an exploding spell block

[dusky canopy]

Ahh that’s pretty sick

[coarse kernel]

serviceable

[dusky canopy]

I wouldn’t know how to use it

[mighty valley]

i can't tell if the explosion was blockable and/or magic damage

[coarse kernel]

impossible to tell, fire is often physical damage in this game

[pallid quiver]

They did at least add in a traditional matchmaking and ranked system with the most recent update

game still feels like ass tho

[pallid quiver]

Dude, that phase slash bleed on second boss of eco dome, I keep pressing spell reflect for

I just see phase and I'm like, "Ah, arcane"

[coarse kernel]

almost as good as surprise nature damage

this tree is hitting you, but it's a plant, so it's nature damage, not physical

[mighty valley]

remember the 2nd boss ruby life pools with a fire attack that causes a bleed

what the hell

[sterile orbit]

why cant i /abandon today is dragging

[lusty grotto]

[blazing zinc]

ty!

[lofty warren]

Is the dungeon leaver thing implemented? I haven't seen anyone marked with that

[mighty valley]

yes

[fallen marlin]

Is there wa for spell reflect ?

To see when someone cast spell on me

[frosty mango]

Yes

[mellow yoke]

the most commonly used one is not fully optimised for S3 and sometimes tells you to reflect physical damage

[fallen marlin]

@frosty mango can you share it with me if that is ok

[lofty warren]

@frosty mango has one and rumor has it that may enhance it to show big spell damage and deflectable stuff not just reflectable

[mellow yoke]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

this is the one

[frosty mango]

lol thats a lie

[lusty grotto]

nop

thats not it

[frosty mango]

it is

@lusty grotto torkal updated his so I took mine down

[lusty grotto]

i see

[frosty mango]

though wago still shows it for some reason, but that is indeed the right one

[mellow yoke]

why wouldnt

that be it

it's updated to 11.2

[lusty grotto]

because of what he just said

[lofty warren]

There is one with author roidberg

[frosty mango]

Torkal didn't update it for some time after 11.2, I updated it based on Sense's PTR sheet the first day of the patch, but the intent wasn't to take over torkal's - just a stopgap until he did his

he updated his so you should use that one

[lofty warren]

Will spell reflect wa be made illegal in 12.0 after blizz implement all their copy/paste addons?

[mellow yoke]

It says this one was updated on aug 11

[coarse kernel]

oh boy

[lusty grotto]

can you read

[frosty mango]

not great at reading I see

[coarse kernel]

you're using the right one

carry on

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9

this is the correct one

roidburg official

(tm)

Torkal knows warriors are shit readers thats why he put a picture

[fallen marlin]

Ty alot !

[mellow yoke]

yeah but it isn't 100% correct

[lofty warren]

The sr weak aura i have now tells me to reflect even when my reflect on cd i believe so I ended up spamming reflect until I realized

It also not tell you if you can deflect or you have big spell damage debuff iirc

But it's still better than not having any wa at all so

[lunar flare]

How do you guys keep your morale up when you brick multiple keys back to back

It is one of those evenings

[mellow yoke]

for 90% of time it's correct there's some spells that are physical though and it tells you to reflect

[mellow yoke]

Slightly inconvenienced, sign up to the next one

[lusty grotto]

we touch grass

[sterile orbit]

i smoke weed

[lunar flare]

9pm here so dont really want to go touch grass but I will follow the sentiment

[lofty warren]

@mellow yoke good sir I used your pull 4 route to avoid the 2nd big mini boss in eco domed. Instead of maybe proccing random Ravager I used the taunt ability and it worked. Did +2 on the 13 key

[sterile orbit]

intoxicated tanking in keys is fun

[mellow yoke]

tbh, you come into the realisation that most of your keys are not getting timed at higher levels, so there's that @lunar flare

[mellow yoke]

that's an alternative

[deep iris]

link to this route?

[undone beacon]

I was off weed for a few month while job hunting, got a position locked so i finally was able to hit a gummy and tank some keys and fuck man I was OUT

It was the longest floodgate of my goddamn life

[sterile orbit]

hahahah thats funny i perfer tbh cant run keys sober anymore

[mellow yoke]

uh

[sterile orbit]

gummy after a break is p funny

[mellow yoke]

cant share export link

[undone beacon]

I have so much anxiety when I tank, it honestly might help to do less sober keys

[solid sun]

I also am very anxious about tanking

[undone beacon]

I have that deep nagging feeling that if a key goes wrong for any reason at any level I am to blame

So I am locked in hard most keys

[mellow yoke]

@deep iris

[solid sun]

I tell my friends who blast during gatherings that them dying is their fault but inside I tell myself it’s my fault

[mellow yoke]

tank is at fault 100% of the times

[sterile orbit]

same but then i have rose blaring ah peh teh peh teh in my ear and i forgot to press shield block and uhh healer fault lmao

[mellow yoke]

always, in any case - rule #1 for pugs

[coarse kernel]

I've given up at this point, they're gunna start dpsing the first pack while I go grab the other 3

I just let them die

[undone beacon]

uhuh uhuh

[jagged gust]

I usually can't do anything too mentally intensive if I'm flying high, but once I was on some pain meds for a gym injury to my neck and my heavens, I was a gamer god.

[mellow yoke]

had some DH immolation aura the first pack on first pull of FG where I had to take 4 more packs then tells me I cant keep my aggro

[jagged gust]

It was like everything was moving at half the speed and my reaction times were ridiculous

[sterile orbit]

bro dh ripping aggro whats new

[mellow yoke]

I mean

[coarse kernel]

Yeah, that pull and AK first pull can both go fuck themselves

[mellow yoke]

You'd think

people doing 16s know better

It would cross your mind

[jagged gust]

Doing a 16? Gotta parse

[mellow yoke]

I love when my healer hots me on the first 3 spiders and gets one shot and dies and blames me

[sterile orbit]

id get the pack stack and the dh is funneling some bs add that doesnt matter pulls aggro and dies

[coarse kernel]

The way I look at my buffs just to make sure that i can click off anything that could generate aggro

[mellow yoke]

1 second dps loss = key depleted

[sterile orbit]

omg that 2 is so annoying to me

i like have to right click hots off me in ara every time

[lofty warren]

Tell me why this isn't a good idea. Easiest way to do tazervesh hard mode without deaths is 1 tank 4 healers comp

[coarse kernel]

4 tanks, 1 healer

[lofty warren]

Sick of these mages and hunters dying

[mellow yoke]

idk, I'm getting 3400 people dying to frontal on HM tazavesh

[undone beacon]

bosses take 8 years to die, easy game

[lofty warren]

Maybe long fights but nobody will ever die which is the goal

[solid sun]

Overrun by mobs during dragon

Mini boss you fight with the first boss would never die and someone would eventually go splat

Assuming you can break the jail during interrogation

[blissful siren]

which spell gets cdr from symbol of hope on prot?

[lofty warren]

Hmm then what is the best comp for best success rate?

[solid sun]

Menagerie trio would be alive forever as well and the beast at the start wouldn’t die quickly

Idk probably a tank, a healer, and three dps

[lofty warren]

With 4 healers can't everyone just stand in the dragon breath and tank his breath?

[undone beacon]

five people who arent braindead

[mellow yoke]

that's worse than

4 tanks

[mellow yoke]

1/10000000 scenario

[coarse kernel]

if you're pugging, avoiding mages and hunters is entirely a call you can make though

you're in charge of inviting

[mellow yoke]

idk, I've had 2x sham healers

brick me already

I'd say it's the played behind it all

also 3x netherprism strat is BUSTED

[lofty warren]

Do healers get 1 shot by breath?

[mellow yoke]

Why wouldn't they

if DPS are

[lusty grotto]

leap wall

[mighty valley]

it's shield wall, you're thinking of uhhhhhhhhh

evoker thing

[lofty warren]

For the dps req thinking pwar, fdk, ass rogue, rsham, rduid min 711 ilvl 3k io

[lusty grotto]

oh true

corrected

time spiral

[ripe cairn]

should i pick sacbrood over tier chest? (both mythic)

[lusty grotto]

can you clear myth fract?

[ripe cairn]

no

[lusty grotto]

even then i personally would pick chest

but certainly not for sacbrood at least

for tome/pace/brand sure

or rather, i would pick trinket on those cases

[ripe cairn]

alright ty

[short edge]

Question: Is DISC Belt (701) still better than a 720 craft?

[lusty grotto]

thats answered with a sim

but tl;dr, no

[short edge]

Is the belt really proccing that much?

[lusty grotto]

i do hope you have myth shield and weapon

uhh

[short edge]

I wish

[lusty grotto]

i think you misunderstood the answer

do you have crafted weapon and shield

[short edge]

i did misunderstand

ignore me there

[lusty grotto]

dont craft belt unless if you have crafted weap/shield (or myth tracks or are able to kill the bosses that drop them in myth) and dont craft it over bracers if you have those

but yes it is better than delve belt

[short edge]

Cool thanks.

[azure crag]

I used that spare rune crest I got for doing the raid to make a belt.

Already have a myth weapon and crafted shield

[solid sun]

Cobat

How far is your group getting in saladbar

[azure crag]

Last time we fought him, we were consistently getting to phase 3

and dying instantly

[solid sun]

Is that after the dragon gets eaten

[azure crag]

.....okay when I say "Consistently"

That is a lie

we would get there "Occasionally"

and then instantly die

[azure crag]

Yup

[solid sun]

We are getting to the platforms but we can’t seem to kill both titans before they self destruct. We kill one or the other lol

[azure crag]

we'd beat the dragon, he'd summon his big spiky stars
He would do his big old lines to hit those stars

We would miss one or two. And Die immediately

[azure crag]

Oh yeah, we were running into that issue a lot, too. slightly mixmatched dps

people being dead before we reached that phase

people not focusing the fucking titan.

[solid sun]

Yeah

I call to cleave off the titan but idk if everyone does that

[sage light]

Hi guy's should i caraft my waist to this week ?

[native ember]

is wowhead having problems for anyone else ?

[lusty grotto]

do you have myth track weapon and shield or better?

[sage light]

i have craft weapon and shield

[lusty grotto]

do you have bracers

craft bracers

[sage light]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Xail

its my raider io

check it

[sage light]

i have mythic

[lusty grotto]

ok craft belt then

and slap a dawn/dusk on shield

[sage light]

crit haste ?

[lusty grotto]

remove any embelishments from weapon

[sage light]

wdym ?

craft 2 crit buff ?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims highest for you

[sage light]

idk now how to get sim XD

[lusty grotto]

just no embelished weapon

[sage light]

for this

can help me ?

[lusty grotto]

uhhh let me see if i can find a guide

[sage light]

i send

my sim to your DM

[lusty grotto]

i dont take DMs

[frosty mango]

If only someone

[sage light]

can help me for this

my point is do all 16's thats all

[frosty mango]

Created a channel

[lusty grotto]

here you go https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots

[sage light]

sim is here

can do it psl ?

[lusty grotto]

thats not it, read the guide

[grim phoenix]

I’ve just started playing Warrior. Can I craft both a weapon and shield, as well as wrist armor, and use two embellishments one on the shield and one on the wrist?

[lusty grotto]

sharing accounts is bannable in this discord, just a heads up

[lusty grotto]

correct

[sage light]

i can remove emblish from one hand

[lusty grotto]

you should, yes

[sage light]

if want do craft i need set crit on shield and waist

[lusty grotto]

you can sim to see which is better between dusk and dawn

it could be either

[cobalt lintel]

side question would you alway go with highest simable dps, singe vers might be better for survival?

[lusty grotto]

its not better

whatever sims higher is

more contribution to dps = more defensive counterpart

[cobalt lintel]

Fair 🙂 did just see alot of prot warr go some vers, just wondered why, but it makes sense 😄

[lusty grotto]

depends on a lot of thigns

depends on available drops etc

but generally versa is only good if its stacked to a high amount, a little does barely nothing

such as in BFA S4

other seasons crit is better, until you hit a mark in keys where you absolutely need the added DR

[cobalt lintel]

seems like vers would do nothing for me then

[lusty grotto]

because youre hard capped on ilvls etc

[sage light]

2.7k mstry is good

or need higher ?

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

there is no specific number that you need to achieve

[sage light]

can i share my sim here ?

[lusty grotto]

likely versa will sim higher than crit

with that breakdown

[lusty grotto]

the link? sure

[sage light]

i have 19k vers with flask XD

so i choose 2 crit

[lusty grotto]

why didnt you choose both?

so it compares them?

[sage light]

cuz its verry high vers

and low crit

[lusty grotto]

well sim will let you know that

[sage light]

my crit its 9k

[lusty grotto]

but no reason to assume so

thats why youre simming

to know which to use

otherwise you can just do what you think is best i guess

[sage light]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xqmLQAyzGAHv6UXQTp6EJN

[lusty grotto]

youre not comparing dusk and dawn

like i said

[sage light]

i will do it

[lusty grotto]

[sage light]

i dont have permium XD

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[mighty valley]

honestly, the embellishments are kinda low power, and vers or crit being better will change if your gear changes a lot

[sage light]

make so much time XD

[mighty valley]

so just pick one and don't stress too much about it

[lusty grotto]

i suppose harrow is right

but the point is, so that you know how to compare em

[swift orbit]

Yo lads, is the 21k haste breakpoint still a thing? I'm sitting on 31k haste atm, am I better off shifting to full crit/vers gems and enchants?

[lusty grotto]

its not a break point

21k is just what you need minimum to swap from HR to ITF

[swift orbit]

So 30k haste isn't an issue, is what you're saying? 🙂

[lusty grotto]

thats way too much

stop at 27k ish

[swift orbit]

aight I'll send some crit/vers gems and shizzle

ty

[sage light]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dN96m1SSvSvxL1fB1hSBv

down grade

both

[lusty grotto]

why are you simming

10 target 10 mins?

sim 5 target 1.5 min

[sage light]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mBx1qdSJd3EWSwbhRmVoNk

[warm plinth]

I'd sim 100 targets 100 mins if I could!

[lusty grotto]

you have your answer

dawn x2, so you were right

[hasty spade]

Its been two seasons since I played prot war, do we sit in dstance 24/7 now? Is stance dancing not worth it?

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

you can battle stance in raid when not actively tanking

thats about it

otherwise sit on d stance

[hasty spade]

What changed?

[lusty grotto]

d stance damage penalty got removed coming into TWW

[hasty spade]

Yea but that was true s1

[lusty grotto]

no

it was not

in DF it was

not in TWW

[hasty spade]

Yea I'm not understanding the rationale here, auto attacks are hitting our MT for like 10% of his health and his health never drops below 85% unless its a big tank hit. Not sure I see the case for not stance dancing but I guess I don't tank anymore lol

Certainly not while he's saying he literally can't spend rage on IP fast enough

[jagged gust]

Like you can, but it's 3% Crit vs a cozier tanking experience

[hasty spade]

Fair enough

[jagged gust]

Up to you but the diff is far more negligible than it was before, it's really only a matter of whether or not you want to parse a 98 or a 99

[lusty grotto]

its very negligible

3% should make or break a parse

3% crit

unless youre going for r1s..

tell him to sit in dstance

when hes actively tanking

thats it

dstance as in Defensive stance

if he wants to stance dance, he can do so as long as hes not the current target, and in raid

[grim phoenix]

what embellishments should i use on the shield and wrist?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best out of dusk or dawn

as per our guides

[grim phoenix]

i should not craft darkmoon sigil and writhing armor banding right? just go for dusk/dawn

[lusty grotto]

right

ascension was only for the first weeks

since you had limited options to craft

[grim phoenix]

ok thank you

[molten epoch]

Do you only get one cata charge from hitting 2k per account?

For some reason I only have 2, but have not used one on yet on my prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

no its per character

you should have 3 total

4 next week

[molten epoch]

Hmmm maybe I did use one on a hero piece and forgot. Ty

[lusty grotto]

including aotc/ksm

[amber linden]

anyone care to share how they deal with the tank buster adds pre last boss in ara kara?

[lusty grotto]

huh

[remote tusk]

Its an item you have to use/consume

[warm plinth]

There are tank buster adds before last boss in Ara-Kara?

[amber linden]

rather the magic debuff adds

[warm plinth]

Get dispelled

[remote tusk]

Just get dispelled, Avatar or Leap

[lusty grotto]

im asking the same thing lmao

[molten epoch]

Found it! Ty. It was still sitting in my inventory

[warm plinth]

It's a healer mechanic