Yes
#protection
blazing ridge
past laurel
No, not that im aware of, but if its on ptr, should be soon, they said there doing the boost close or around when Legion remix comes out.
restive jackal
we dont have catalyst this week?
blazing ridge
No
past laurel
wait, whats the crest cap for Gilded this week? (Season Maximum)
may of found when, the boost is out.
Or whats the cap of Starlight Spark Dust? at the moment?
acoustic cloak
dust is 5 from today im pretty sure
oak ivy
month and a half from now?
tardy ledge
would myth so'leah's replace hero pacemaker/tome?
oak ivy
no im bad at math thats abt two months
ocean smelt
As far as I remember it was week 11 of season 2 when they did it
ocean smelt
So that more or less aligns with a "two months from now" estimate yeah
give or take a week
past laurel
Yeah
jagged pier
u cant trust anything on ptr, they usually just do random numbers
peak lintel
hey, quick question, how do i sim trinkets on prot warrior?
past laurel
fair, but better then what there giving us at the moment,
jagged pier
hey, quick question, how do i sim trinkets on prot warrior?
u go to raidbots and u sim them
peak lintel
yes, but with route, dungeon slive or 5 targets etc
compact silo
anyone got macro to say in chat when spell reflect is on?
chrome falcon
wow what a diverse range of choices blizzard thank you
i'm not going to complain about 714 shoulders but zzz
silver tangle
Is there an updated version of afenars WA ?
chrome falcon
images on disc aren't working for me rn but upgrade on real armour piece > upgrade on jewelery
if it's actual ilvl upgrade
past laurel
u cant trust anything on ptr, they usually just do random numbers
also there removeing the cap, so its just a guess, really,
high latch
Is there an updated version of afenars WA ?
No, but the current version works fine for me. Or at least all the auras I still have after all the changes I've made.
torpid dome
Question is will this Neck appear again
why do you want this neck specifically?
I'd go for the tier set legs and be done with that slot
You know for sure you will be using the legs anyways
long aspen
would ara-kara sacbrood be the best choice here? m+ only, my neck is hero
high latch
would ara-kara sacbrood be the best choice here? m+ only, my neck is hero
I'd take the neck. Sacbrood is fine, but not amazing.
torpid dome
would ara-kara sacbrood be the best choice here? m+ only, my neck is hero
I would go with the myth neck there. Sacbrood is very mid for us
wispy moth
Pacemaker all day
hard wolf
sim is saying raid neck
hard wolf
torpid dome
sim is saying raid neck
dont
Either take shield or pacemaker
and I would go for pacemaker
You only sim for dps
but the shield brings increased parry's
fast oracle
crafting belt or bracers first?
wispy moth
crafting belt or bracers first?
Depends on ilvl slot atm
wispy moth
Pacemaker or shield
wispy moth
both about the same
Got delve's belt ?
wispy moth
Yes go bracers first then
hard wolf
Pacemaker or shield
but shield is mastery/versa. we only get it for parry? exactly since i have crafted shield i would opt for pacemaker
wispy moth
All ilvl upgrade is good to take.
Shield is our best piece, so yo ucan go for it.
But yes, your second trinket is very garbage so pacemaker would save this slot
lunar flare
Lucky me!
torpid dome
but shield is mastery/versa. we only get it for parry? exactly since i have cra...
you dont care about stats on shield
Ilvl > everything else on shield
high latch
Also, mastery isn't a bad stat.
fathom oasis
what are you guys doing with your 3rd craft? crafting "bis" belt feels a bit underwhelming
wispy moth
All stats are good
torpid dome
and simply put, 6/6 shield > crafted shield.
If you already have crafted, only a myth track tome or any brand of ire would make me doubt to pick shield or not
wispy moth
Sure we aim for a haste treshold, but all stats are good
Shield is already crafted x)
torpid dome
I feel like you hit the haste treshold very fast this season
wispy moth
Yup
torpid dome
Shield is already crafted x)
still, I'd take the myth track shield option over the pacemaker in your case
wispy moth
Dunno, the second trinket is very bad
high latch
I'd take the Pacemaker
wispy moth
I'll wait a reclean to know if I can take brand or antenna from raid in his case
fathom oasis
it's pacemaker every day of the week. One of the bis trinkets and the only way to get it is from vault. You could potentially even get a myth shield from 2nd boss
wispy moth
it's pacemaker every day of the week. One of the bis trinkets and the only way t...
Depends if he's mythi raiding
fathom oasis
pugs can clear the first 2 quite early in the season
hard wolf
i am getting AOC this week and maybe go 2/8M
torpid dome
pugs can clear the first 2 quite early in the season
ofc, biggest problem with mythic raiding is getting a consistent group lol
fathom oasis
that's where the "potentially" comes in
spice iron
Ok I'm just genuinely confused at this point.
Into The Fray - Have at least 22k haste for it
Heavy Repercussions - Use if not
All my sims are trying to get me to absolutely dump haste to 17k and sometimes 15k, but remain on Into The Fray. The sims also say that at a minimum I'll lose 160k dps by going Heavy Repercussions, and gain 20-30k from dumping haste.
What should I even do at this point?
high latch
The entire reason is that you want Shield Block uptime. HR will get you 100% regardless of stats. You can swap to ITF at 21-25k haste, depending on skill.
hard wolf
how much percentage is 22k haste?
spice iron
HR is a lot more comfy, but I don't know if the apparent 160k dps difference is worth it enough to have potential risks of not having Shield Block when you want it
high latch
Very true. Some people choose to run HR even with enough haste to run ITF instead.
spice iron
how much percentage is 22k haste?
39%
hard wolf
i am at 34,7% and is like shy of 15k. it scales crazy it seems
hard wolf
also here my neck is champion vers/mstery but I assume I can run mindlessly gambit for the neck there or at worst craft it
high latch
Yes. And myth track necks from Gambit and Streets can also be obtained through Hard Mode. Neck is also a decent slot to craft.
willow tartan
quick question if anyone is knowledgeable here, my vault is pictured bellow, is the tome of lights devotion still crazy good since its myth path? as a quick damage sim (not reliable) wants me to chose the heroic antenna
blazing ridge
Damn what a good vault tough xdd
peak lintel
which sim do you used?
timid pecan
Hello, which trinket would be more suitable for a warrior that plays protection and arms?
lunar flare
Sacbrood, surely
hard wolf
i am using this one, plus the custom code for Tome
wispy moth
quick question if anyone is knowledgeable here, my vault is pictured bellow, is ...
For me, myth tome
torpid dome
Sacbrood, surely
no
chest 100% in that situation
it's bis chest and sacbrood is very mid this season
lunar flare
chest 100% in that situation
He asked "which trinket for prot and arms". I am answering within the paremeters he set out
If he said "which of the 3 items" then maybe my answer would be different
timid pecan
I haven't considered chests, do share your opinions for the 3rd choice too
torpid dome
if the question is purely about trinket, So'leah outperforms sacbrood by a mile as well
but still
timid pecan
I assume trinkets are rare and will hardly see them in my vault again
torpid dome
I'd choose BIS chest > A-tier / B-tier trinkets
lunar flare
if the question is purely about trinket, So'leah outperforms sacbrood by a mile ...
That doesnt look like a mile to me brother
grizzled iron
Which Trinket should I play in combo? Brand of Ceaseless Ire trinket is from LFR
torpid dome
That doesnt look like a mile to me brother
that's on ST, and a very generic sim, no?
lunar flare
that's on ST, and a very generic sim, no?
Ruh roh, its time to move the goalposts
lunar flare
Woah that's definitely a mile
lunar flare
For arms sacbrood is deffo worse, you're right
torpid dome
https://liquidarmory.com/trinket-tracker?wowClass=Warrior&wowSpec=Arms by a mile...
well you're sharing a sim to Arms spec?
lunar flare
Yes
I was agreeing with you???
Why are you still arguing lol
I didn't see the toggles are the top, I have learned something new
torpid dome
in general it's better to do simcraft sims anyways over a genereic sim like this
but even then on some trinkets not everything is taken into account
lunar flare
I think day to day most people who ask about vault are not playing anywhere near the simmed performance anyway
torpid dome
true
lunar flare
Not that that has anything to do with the point really, just my hot take
lunar flare
But thanks for showing me the extra toggles etc
torpid dome
With the inclusion of myth track antenna as well
tranquil river
what would you guys get? i still have 3 cat charges left
wispy moth
Shield
tranquil river
i can craft shield
torpid dome
^
grizzled iron
Which Trinket should I play in combo? Brand of Ceaseless Ire trinket is from LF...
can any help me pls
torpid dome
espec if you already have a brand
tranquil river
its brand lfr
wispy moth
Which Trinket should I play in combo? Brand of Ceaseless Ire trinket is from LF...
Your trinkets are already the best one
wispy moth
its brand lfr
Dont care, only numbers change. You have it, this is what it matters
potent brook
do we send ring here?
mellow yoke
vault opening time hope it isnt shit
tranquil river
ANd ilvl shield above all, everything
rly? i was gonna craft the shield and get etiher the chest, the brand or the head
wispy moth
do we send ring here?
Rings stats ?
I would hesitate between ring depends on stats and myth shoulders
wispy moth
rly? i was gonna craft the shield and get etiher the chest, the brand or the hea...
723 shield still superior to 720 shield
Simple mathematics, 723 is above 720
fathom oasis
do we send ring here?
why would you pick ring over mythic tier?
wispy moth
Dont need to overthink this
potent brook
why would you pick ring over mythic tier?
cz its mythic track as well plus you can always pug out mythic pieces and my shoulder already hero
wispy moth
Ilvl above all anytime
blazing ridge
I assume trinkets are rare and will hardly see them in my vault again
You will most likely be able to buy trinkets after Turboboos patch, so just take Chest and be happy you got a BIS Chest instead of some A Tier Trinket
torpid dome
Do you already have myth track shoulders?
torpid dome
Well, congratulations, you dont have a shit ass vault lmao
torpid dome
a shit ass vault at this point is a vault where you have no upgrades
and need to take the socket
lunar flare
yeah but could've been
Do not lament over what could have been, brother
blazing ridge
just pug Soul hunters and pray
lunar flare
Look towards the future
I see a great vault for you next week
I will manifest it for you
random osprey
do we send ring here?
You send boots
torpid dome
take it, use the high ilvl to upgrade your current piece for free
leave it in bag for next week to synthesize it
silver tangle
Which Plater do you guys use ? I somehow have the problem this season, that the platers are small and are way to many often
mellow yoke
Kira's
torpid dome
I use Quazzi's
One of first things to do if plater doesnt work as expected, is to re-import the string
probably missing some update
mellow yoke
is that for free?
no sadly
ruby berry
Jundie's is great out of the box and it's free on wago
lunar flare
Seconded Quazii's, with a few small cosmetic changes
Jundies plates look good too
I think the main (functional) diff between the two is the colour coding
Quazii's comes with a nice mod that shows when during a mob cast your kick CD will be ready again
ruby berry
I also like that jundie's has the built in functionality to show you during the cast if your kick is going to be up during it and exactly when with a line through the cast bar.
ruby berry
Yeah good stuff! 😀
silver tangle
what do you guys use for Spellreflect and for CC ? Are there any nice WA or addons?
Havent tanked since SL and havent played warrior as well since then, so helpful for any tip 😄
lunar flare
There's a spell reflect WA yeah, some people like it, others don't
silver tangle
There's a spell reflect WA yeah, some people like it, others don't
What is the downside to that?
lunar flare
What is the downside to that?
Relying on a weakaura to make decisions for you, I guess
You won't learn anything from it, you'll just develop a pavlovian response to the sound
Unga bunga
etc
It's useful if you're learning lots of new things at once though, one less thing to worry about
silver tangle
I mean when there are like 10 mobs and you cant see that he is casting a spell at you, I rather have a WA to tell me 😄
fathom oasis
wait, we are gatekeeping weak auras now?
lunar flare
Where in anything I said was I gatekeeping
prime kernel
my only good option for this week ;/ , is there any scenario in which running non-embelish bracers this season is fine ? (like maybe getting a ring with Lens on it as my 2nd craft) . Or should i just yolo the vault , get socket and put it on the 720 crafted bracers with Duskthread
sweet summit
wait, we are gatekeeping weak auras now?
wow players gatekeep everything 
lunar flare
my only good option for this week ;/ , is there any scenario in which running no...
I had this in my vault today too minus the socket and took it
torpid dome
my only good option for this week ;/ , is there any scenario in which running no...
Youre fine with crafting a different piece
The difference in dps would prolly be less than 0.5% lol
fathom oasis
my only good option for this week ;/ , is there any scenario in which running no...
reason why bis has crafted belt+bracers is because those are the 2 pieces of gear that lose the least amount of stats from the 3 ilvl difference
in the end though, the difference is kinda minimal
can probably just craft boots instead
prime kernel
i can always catalyst these into a haste/vers ones which is cool, so the only valiable slots for me this season would be rings & belt (since i have myth shield already) or the 5th piece of set that we're not using
fathom oasis
i kinda wished embellishments felt a little stronger
prime kernel
well then, gonna do some sims and check if getting ring with lens will endup better than forcing 3less ilvl on a non-set piece
lunar flare
I have had terrible luck with rings so far, I still have a champ track one I think
hard gorge
Hmm, does Speed tert do anything for wars in high m+?
Choosing between tazavesh Neck (Crit Haste) and Set Shoulders+Speed in vault
terse flame
I personally find Speed to be useless on tanks, since you are anyway leading the herd - heroic leap is enough of a gap closer to keep pace up. Plus a lot of mountable dungeons this season. The only time I feel slow is in Streets after the music boss... And speed stat isn't going to fix that.
hardy snow
again, week after week, wtf 
steep pivot
is that good?
jagged pier
no
hardy snow
I hope I won't get it third time next week 
lunar flare
I personally find Speed to be useless on tanks, since you are anyway leading the...
If you're 0.1 seconds faster to each pull, that's a second saved every 10 pulls, which means when all my DPS on a final boss and we time it with a second to spare...
west perch
would it be better to use haste crit or haste vers for crafts?
steep pivot
hey i did an streets 11, behold the results
idk
shield block still low for me
i suck
at least the tomme trinket did better this run
round pendant
oopsie
god I hate wow sometimes
I can take the lfr shoulders and then convert my gloves to get 4p
but I lose a myth piece
lofty glen
you played without till now so you can play a week more without set
mystic yoke
Hey all, can somebody give me a summary of why prot is dominating m+ over DH this season. I've historically played both classes, and just starting to gear my warrior. I'm wondering what the warrior is bringing to the table that is making it a go to this season. Is it dmg and stops? are these simply better than DH, if so how so?
jagged pier
its what week 3, 4? meta hasnt even been made yet ppl havent have time to gear chars yet
and with the build some of the ppl are running its not damage
lofty glen
Hey all, can somebody give me a summary of why prot is dominating m+ over DH thi...
your deff your dmg your 5% ap buff
but just play what you want or are you aiming for MDI?????????????????????????ßß
lofty glen
tier is 9% more damage
and then you are mad as fuck that you dit take lfr shoulders
mystic yoke
aiming for 0.01% title
jagged pier
then u wont know what to play for like another month yet
probably not till turbo boost
lofty glen
aiming for 0.01% title
with brain you can do it on all classes
mystic yoke
yeh put people wont take you in groups if your not meta sadly. get's brutal late season trying to pug in spare time when i can't go with me team
lofty glen
then make your own group? XD
round pendant
and then you are mad as fuck that you dit take lfr shoulders
what
mystic yoke
geez, i hadn't thought of that 😛
lofty glen
as @jagged pier saied.... you will not know
frosty mango
aiming for 0.01% title
I would argue that your class has little to do with this and your ability has everything to do with this
Every tank titles every season
Yes meta is meta for a reason but title players aren’t title players because they’re on meta classes
frozen berry
Is it not hard to title without having a solid group anyway? Who is pugging title?
frosty mango
They’re title players because they’re good players
frosty mango
Is it not hard to title without having a solid group anyway? Who is pugging titl...
People pug title every season
mystic yoke
just requires bit more playtime
and what would shorten play time? less wait time
frosty mango
Being better at the game
mystic yoke
but i do get what you're all saying
strong forum
i refuse metaplay and im hard against "pick the class not the player"
so yeh
id rather struggle as warrior in LFG than be a bitch
ykno
tepid warren
Which trinkets are bis for raid tanking and M+ tanking atm? Is it still Tome + brand for both?
mystic yoke
i refuse metaplay and im hard against "pick the class not the player"
tbf, i'm enjoying my DH and will stick it out on that for long as possible
lofty glen
id rather struggle as warrior in LFG than be a bitch
BASED AND TRUE
torpid dome
Which trinkets are bis for raid tanking and M+ tanking atm? Is it still Tome + b...
antenna good as well
frosty mango
Which trinkets are bis for raid tanking and M+ tanking atm? Is it still Tome + b...
There’s a detailed breakdown in the wowhead prot guide
torpid dome
pacemaker instead of tome is also great
all situational
just 1 common trinket across all build; Brand of Ire
lmao
tepid warren
There’s a detailed breakdown in the wowhead prot guide
Yeah, I've been looking at it, but every time I watch Kira and Yoda play they say Tome isnt that good anymore.
which is opposite of what the guide suggests.
lunar flare
Are people pulling trash into eco dome 2nd boss? How pug-friendly is doing this, if you grab 2-3 adds at a time?
frosty mango
id rather struggle as warrior in LFG than be a bitch
Fotm rerollers are usually bad because they have that mentality. Never stick with anything long enough to get really good at it, and since they spend all their time relearning their class every tier they don’t have the cognitive freedom to learn the actual metagame like timing and pacing
jagged pier
we all know that
tepid warren
Are people pulling trash into eco dome 2nd boss? How pug-friendly is doing this,...
I pull 1 pack in to start, and pull a second one during intermission
frosty mango
Yeah, I've been looking at it, but every time I watch Kira and Yoda play they sa...
Hoo good luck
Saying that
jagged pier
but the pug scene doesnt care
lunar flare
I pull 1 pack in to start, and pull a second one during intermission
Cool, thanks, might start doing this as the boss is a bit of a snoozefest
tepid warren
Cool, thanks, might start doing this as the boss is a bit of a snoozefest
If youre in a coordinated group, you can pull more, I usually feel out the groups ability to interrupt during the first pulls, quality of players in 12-14s is too high variance. Myself included.
frosty mango
Are people pulling trash into eco dome 2nd boss? How pug-friendly is doing this,...
If I have cleave I’ll do the left 2 casters that pat at the start, and the left 2 on the hill after intermission
lunar flare
I think just pulling even one small pack into the boss at the start is already a big step towards more efficient play, for me, so that's already a win
frosty mango
Anything to avoid sentinels and pactspeakers
lofty glen
I think just pulling even one small pack into the boss at the start is already a...
left side from boss are 2packs with 2 mobs. i alllways pull them in
lunar flare
Thanks for all the suggestions!
tepid warren
Thanks for all the suggestions!
steep pivot
how much ire of devontion represents for you guys? the tome trinket dmg wise
tepid warren
this is what I do in pugs, first 3 with boss, then pull the 2nd during intermission
blazing shuttle
neon elk
anybody with good pug frinedly prio route ? going right feels like weird still route wise
something for 14s
lunar flare
this is what I do in pugs, first 3 with boss, then pull the 2nd during intermiss...
Nice, think I might start with 1x group on pull and then 1x more after the intermission
steep pivot
i like to go left lommmatik, i head some tanks and routes going right, but boss is tuuff with that pyro mage
neon elk
left is way easier for healer tho and on higher keys that aoe realy hurts if u go right
tepid warren
Nice, think I might start with 1x group on pull and then 1x more after the inter...
I like to go get the group when th ebosses are just standing there for 15 seconds 😛
neon elk
other way around*
torpid dome
I prefer left, it works for me so why not 🤷♂️
slender bison
Just take left and use Mud if you're not confident with the boss. Right yields disaster in pugs at boss fight
steep pivot
hey both trinkets i wear represents 10% my overall damage, that is insane
tepid warren
I went right for the start of the season, but it was just easier and more comfortable to do left.
kind urchin
I've been going left because the people I've ran with prefer left. I don't care either way.
smoky lion
Does the colossus 4set increase bleed damage on all targets w/e i crit with shield slam or just on the target i crit?
muted pumice
If avatar is coming off cooldown in 10 seconds, and you have demo shout + thundering roar ready, should you delay the cds to line it up with avatar for more thunder blasts inside the demo shout window?
steep pivot
i belive yes siggi, i mean, avatar cdr is insane when you spend rage
if you got rage and press 2x times ip, your avatar is ready ^^
steep pivot
is there a point where you have too much haste? my sim says this as stat weight
how much do you got
neon elk
like 25k ish and above i would try to avoid haste
neon elk
yea thats way overkill
lunar flare
He is so fast mobs can't see him to hit
blazing shuttle
This question has been answered by: Craft sword as prio. However, I already have a very nice 704 sword. The one from streets.
Do I still want to craft said sword, or maybe craft my wrists/belt at 720?
Note: I have a 720 shield.
arctic citrus
henlo chadwarriors is this good for anything?
lunar flare
720 sword better than 704 sword no?
solid sun
You want ilvl on shield and weapon regardless of how nice a lower ilvl one is
west perch
20.5k haste
blazing shuttle
Right, what I thought. Thank you!
steep pivot
if i dont drop any one hander hero version ill ccraft an weap
solid sun
That's why even though we recommend crafting 720 shields and weapons first, we inform people that they may get a myth track shield/weapon in their vault
And they'd take those
steep pivot
radiant power is good?
torpid dome
20.5k haste
you were 15k buffed...? you sure about that?
torpid dome
ah
if its 20,5k unbuffed, you would benefit from a bit more
I think we aim for 22-23k unbuffed
to have ITF and near 100% SB uptime
west perch
alright
plush flint
Why do we recommend the ravager talent over sudden death now that we take all the other execute talents?
jagged pier
because it does a lot of daage and gives a lot of rage
u can drop instegate for SD if u want
lunar flare
Why do we recommend the ravager talent over sudden death now that we take all th...
Is your name an XKCD ref
plush flint
Is your name an XKCD ref
It is indeed! 🙂
lunar flare
It is indeed! 🙂
A classic ❤️
plush flint
Would it not make sense to use a build with Bloodsurge and sudden death? Then we have both rage and dmg and are more free to move even when ravager procs?
hard wolf
i am running a similar build
plush flint
Oh thats interesting, but is it worth dropping massacre though?
jagged pier
i dont know what that build is but its bad
plush flint
I was thinking about something like this:
steep pivot
aww yisss
jagged pier
thats better but instegate is better than bloodsurge
plush flint
Yeah i was saccing whirling blade to get sudden death to play into all the other execute talents
lunar flare
holy shit what an obnoxious ad placement
Guess I'll watch it, I don't want to lose my REWARD
mellow yoke
Gotta love it when a random druid with sub 2k rating that has never ever played tank rolls 100 on the brand and refuses to sell it
solid sun
Yeah i was saccing whirling blade to get sudden death to play into all the other...
Whirling Blade is extremely good.
steep pivot
the rage is the good part i belive
plush flint
The rage is good, but is a little rng. Was thinking bloodsurge would be a little more consistent. Also why are we not taking Fight Through the flames as magic dmg really hurts, is the 6% armor really that big?
carmine topaz
Before I sim, is it worth using a champion track S-tier Brand of Ceaseless Ire over Sacbrood and Mud trinkets both hero track?
steep pivot
idk leofreak, sim is dmgwise... mud trinket is defensive... so surely brand and other offensive trinkes shall perform better dmg wise, but if you need to tank something, muud is decent!
jagged pier
Before I sim, is it worth using a champion track S-tier Brand of Ceaseless Ire o...
yes but the sims will probably show it worse as it accounts for the 4 min ramp time, when after that in a key u can start with it always at 15 stacks
solid sun
The rage is good, but is a little rng. Was thinking bloodsurge would be a little...
You said you got rid of it for sudden death but now say blood surge lol. Take Whirling Blade, trust. It’s up quite often
steep pivot
the proc rate is high, every pack, every fight
carmine topaz
yes but the sims will probably show it worse as it accounts for the 4 min ramp t...
got ya, I mentioned sims just to get ahead of "just sim it" replies
hard wolf
i am running a similar build
so here you would change enduring alacrity for massacre?
plush flint
You said you got rid of it for sudden death but now say blood surge lol. Take Wh...
Read earlier messages, i posted a build 🙂
torpid dome
got ya, I mentioned sims just to get ahead of "just sim it" replies
trinkets like brand of the ceaseless ire are a bit difficult to sim
plush flint
https://i.imgur.com/c29KYG7.png
Ahh, missed that one! Makes sense!
neon elk
yes but the sims will probably show it worse as it accounts for the 4 min ramp t...
Would it be too stupid to make a custom string where it starts at like 10 stacks or so to be kinda more acurate ? Or is that imposible/bad idea
solid sun
Read earlier messages, i posted a build 🙂
I feel like I’m being gaslit rn
plush flint
I was thinking about something like this:
Not really
pliant helm
Is it okay to post a log here for review?
strong forum
sure
pliant helm
Felt like I was getting slaughtered in alot of this key. My route was pretty mid. But looking for anything obvious I can improve of in rotation
strong forum
i think youre underusing shield slam a tad
for example here in this 9 sec window you kinda just, skipped 1 entire global
you even managed to cast a whirlwind
you should look to completely remove that keybind my friend
jagged pier
strong forum
here again, you went 11 entire seconds without casting shield slam
and did 2 back to back TCs
i do thiunk tho that is because youre gathering a pack here?
but avatar + sw and demo would indicate that youre starting to deal damage
you often times do skip a global here and there, which does add up throughout a key
last example here:
https://i.imgur.com/Vilf432.png
you do IP -> Revenge -> IP -> Revenge -> Roar -> IP
thats a fuckton of rage spent without generating anything in between which kinda causes you to twiddle thumbs
because your globals are spread out real far
pliant helm
That makes sense thanks, I can remember a few instances where I was def twiddling thumbs, the whirlwind was honestly prob just a fat finger.
pliant helm
Basically weave shield slam in asap as a dummy rule of thumb to keep generating?
strong forum
si
entire class revolves around generating and spending rage
and while yes, thane does that already a lot
more is always better
frosty mango
Your incidence of blocked hits is good but also if you look at points where your health dipped drastically over the key
its usually getting blasted in the back
like here -> you get meleed in the back a bunch and your health goes from 95 to 20 in about 1 second
pliant helm
Yeah my gathering is a lot of times def subpar. Especially in flood
frosty mango
In that 5 second period you took 12 melees but only blocked half
which caused your health to drop extremely quickly
strong forum
gathering is the hardest and most lethal part of tanking
pliant helm
I’ll be more careful of that especially when gathering. I think based off the timing of that. Link it was the pull before big momma
Which felt Terrible to gather as we did the 3 demo pull
strong forum
gathering is when most of my healthpots/last stand/sws are spent
besides bosses ofc
once youre stabilized and planted its easier to stay stable
but while gathering is spice
frosty mango
I usually send shield wall on shitty gather packs -> like the first pack of floodgate
its almost impossible to not get blasted in the back there unless your dps wait
pliant helm
Yeah I’ll def just keep working at it. Biggest points for me I guess are less back melees, more shield slam? Unbind whirlwind?
strong forum
yuh
rigid kestrel
Yeah I’ll def just keep working at it. Biggest points for me I guess are less ba...
let it sleep in the spellbook
pliant helm
Thanks friends, anything else that sticks out. Please let me know
fluid widget
Why does tome sim so poorly in m+? i know its silly in ST
frosty mango
Why does tome sim so poorly in m+? i know its silly in ST
prob not fair to say it sims poorly, it just doesnt scale to multiple targets as well as raw stat sticks / brand
it will also depend on what you mean by simming m+
fluid widget
was testing 3/5 target at 1:30 and 5m just to get an idea
dusky canopy
Why does tome sim so poorly in m+? i know its silly in ST
You gotta sim it with nomes guidance
fluid widget
and that makes sense, but its still going to be used for how significant it is for bosses
frosty mango
if youre talking just simming 5 target 90s then tome will look significantly worse than it actually is because you're only capturing one m+ encounter scenario
dusky canopy
Just get the wa that tells you when to cycle and you’re chillin
fluid widget
You gotta sim it with nomes guidance
nomes guidance?
fluid widget
also Roidberg I'm glad your name has changed
frosty mango
dungeon slice isnt well supported for warrior
5 target 90s
5 target 2 min
1 target 3 min
I sim all three of those and then make a determination based on all 3 data points
Though in reality I usually just do what the 1 target sim says bc aoe damage is rarely a gatekeeper in keys, its always boss damage and meta gaming stuff like routes and stops
frosty mango
also Roidberg I'm glad your name has changed
cheers, only took me like 100 runs
fluid widget
yeah I don't touch dungeon slice, I wish it had the ability to be customized. So in the case of 1 target sims, would you play around with Cursed Stone Idol?
harsh musk
So I pulled a mythic signet of the priory from vault today is it any good for prot?
high latch
So I pulled a mythic signet of the priory from vault today is it any good for pr...
It's fine, but not great
harsh musk
Better than a normal track sacbrood I’m guessing
torpid dome
Just get the wa that tells you when to cycle and you’re chillin
When to cycle?
high latch
Better than a normal track sacbrood I’m guessing
Oh yeah, for sure
fluid widget
When to cycle?
when it switches to armor
to maximize uptime of the crit/holy damage buff
torpid dome
Ohhh
it's a tome matter
Tome does not exist yet in my trinket pool so I dont know the mechanic yet lmao
undone beacon
dungeon slice isnt well supported for warrior
5 target 90s
5 target 2 min
1 tar...
I’ve gotten to this point. Plus it’s rare that a ST upgrade is an AOE downgrade. I’d rather pump bosses and prio targets cuz those guys suck
solid sun
resto druids are not real
everytime i let a pug resto druid into my group it does not go well
plush tendon
yea, the ones Ive played with so far this tier have been kind of sus
Holy Paladins and Resto Shamans have been good
havnt seen a pres yet
disc not a fan of
lunar flare
yea, the ones Ive played with so far this tier have been kind of sus
Not as sus as the disc priests who hold onto their 2 charges of pain sup like they win more score at the end the less they use them
plush tendon
Not as sus as the disc priests who hold onto their 2 charges of pain sup like th...
bro, disc players make me want to rip my eyes out
I see them or dps dying, look over at my omni and see a charge of Pain Sub
and Im like 'brooooooo'
undone beacon
Almost every key I’ve ran has been some degree of resto shaman it’s wild
lunar flare
bro, disc players make me want to rip my eyes out
I feel pure seratonin when I get a disc priest who pain supps me as I gather first pull priory, I know I'm in for a good time
undone beacon
The fact that they pump and they bring lust is big
undone beacon
Ran a pwar/destro/HDH/Boomie/Rsham comp last night and it was pumpingggg
plush tendon
thats a great comp
we are running Prot War, Ret, FDK, Shadow, Resto Sham
but I think the retty wants to go havoc or the shadow will go mage
once they finish CE
solid sun
Also has a horrible time in raid
torpid dome
shadow needs to wait for their dots to pop off no?
lunar flare
Aint nobody got time for that
plush tendon
theyll be doing tank dps
its like old fire mage where you wanted ignite to spread and tick
just a case of key too low
solid sun
It seems like certain specs are just going to be absolutely miserable unless you do higher end content
And I think that sucks
solid sun
Those specs need a couple build options where there's a build that doesn't require mobs to live forever and another build that specializes in exactly that
plush tendon
There should be a separate tier list for weekly keys and push keys
Things like ret paladin would be SSS+ in a weekly 10
plush tendon
Those specs need a couple build options where there's a build that doesn't requi...
Maybe, but shadow is such a cool spec with their dots and ghosts and what not
When I’m playing shadow, that’s what I want. Not on demand damage
solid sun
Yeah but then you suck when the situation doesn't fit
Specs should be able to do something where they don't feel that bad in certain content
Doesn't mean they need to be top shelf in all content but for your spec to just not really work in dungeons like 2-10 or 12 or whatever the key level is? Sus
blazing ridge
Meh another week with no Brand :/
blazing ridge
havnt seen a pres yet
Pres evoker are really good, feel like they can heal any situation rather nice and dps a lot while doing it
plush tendon
Pres evoker are really good, feel like they can heal any situation rather nice a...
they prob can
just havnt seen one
its really just resto sham prio this season for me
need that windfury and lust
plush tendon
Ele would be a good replacement
Windfury is really strong for all the classes my group plays
War, DK really like it
heck, shadow really likes the 2% mastery
warm plinth
You're really strong
plush tendon
Ret.... well, who the fudge knows
warm plinth
Fuckin gottem
plush tendon
You're really strong
blazing ridge
I don't invite Rets xd
plush tendon
my friends play rets
and they are really strong players
plus, I think ret is decent for a lot of these dungeons
fallen marlin
Guys i get mythic wepon this week,and i craft shild and wrist and put on them verse Embellishments did i do it right or need to put crit ?
plush tendon
Guys i get mythic wepon this week,and i craft shild and wrist and put on them ve...
either vers or crit
difference is minor
blazing ridge
Whatever sims best, but If you already have lot of crit vers is probably better
Sim tells u that though
warm plinth
Really isn't ever going to matter
undone beacon
Be a man and dump everything but vers. More damage dealt? Less damage taken? Doesnt get better than that
warm plinth
I believe in the squad
solid sun
Do the logs show gray parses everywhere? Yep!
Are the kills super messy? Yep!
But the squad is so happy
undone beacon
The squad can go 6/8 H now
Ayyyy squad up
Take away squad movie nights until parses improve
fallen marlin
either vers or crit
Ty
solid sun
Gave Saladbar a few attempts and we couldn’t kill both titans on the platform before self destructs lol. They laughed a lot so like it was fun even though my heart broke a little
warm plinth
I feel like gray parses should come with an automatic in-game dm that just says "stop panicking; continue to press buttons while you do mechanics"
Because almost every gray parse I've ever seen was just gaps of no casting happening at all
undone beacon
Implement OBR for all gray parses and see if parses improve
solid sun
Well some of the grays were people dying
undone beacon
Genuinely worked for a few of our old team
solid sun
Even the one button can’t fix that one
warm plinth
How dare you besmirch their sacrifice for the greater good
undone beacon
Ship everyone an electric shock collar or bracelet and give em a lil jolt when they die
Pavlov them into living
undone beacon
Didnt they recently say in an interview that the 10-man dream is dead?
jagged pier
yes
solid sun
It’s a shame
jagged pier
dont care a lot of ppl still want it
solid sun
My group would actually keep raiding for a while if 10 man mythic existed. Probably wouldn’t kill any bosses but they’d have a good time trying
Maybe luck into a kill or two
As it is we get aotc and then kinda are just done
Did they mention why the ten man dream is dead in that interview
It can’t be the race because with what they’re doing for the first season of Midnight Max doesn’t even know what the race is going to look like lol
round pendant
Didnt they recently say in an interview that the 10-man dream is dead?
Yeah and it's a dogshit take
undone verge
Didnt they recently say in an interview that the 10-man dream is dead?
they also said we werent gonna get classic. I still have some copium
round pendant
Literally everybody wants it except blizzard
undone verge
"you think you do, but you dont"
round pendant
and blizzard only don't want it cause RWF is popular
jagged pier
its a tuning problem, mostly
plush tendon
I want more Hardmode content in retail
jagged pier
they dont really care about RWF look at next expansion with phased raids
plush tendon
love Taz HM
undone verge
10 man raiding would solve so many issues with mythic raiding
round pendant
it'd solve every problem with it lmao
undone verge
except the lockout problem, thats a seperate fix
round pendant
they dont really care about RWF look at next expansion with phased raids
I can't think of any other reason they'd want to keep 20man then
cause surely 10man would be way more popular?
RWF with all the big guilds is a big bit of publicity every tier
frosty mango
Feel like 10m would fix most of the performance problems too
solid sun
Yeah but Max doesn’t even know what the race is going to look like first season of Midnight. Blizzard did them no favors
jagged pier
I can't think of any other reason they'd want to keep 20man then
it would be more popular, but with 20 u get a more evenly spread of class representation in 10 man u dont, and things like 10 man are very hard to tune, if something is giga strong u can just stack it and make a bigger impact in 10 man than 20
frosty mango
I heard next season nasa is sponsoring liquid so they can make it through the raid with more than 40 fps
round pendant
lol
jagged pier
from amd basically, echo was sponsered by them and literally no issues
round pendant
I've heard of people dropping to 30fps in raid with 9800X3Ds
undone verge
I'd be willing to bet that at least 80% of "3/8M Guilds" could at least get to the final boss if you took their best 2 healers, best tank and cloned him, and their best 6 dps
round pendant
I still drop to 40fps in floodgate first pull
plush tendon
IDK, Im fine with their being 20 man mythic raiding. We have flex raiding for heroic and normal
round pendant
5800x3d
jagged pier
u need a very strong cpu to wow, ppl think its graphics it never is
round pendant
IDK, Im fine with their being 20 man mythic raiding. We have flex raiding for he...
heroic is just a bit too easy but 10man heroic is fun
vague obsidian
Hey guys, got myth soleah in vault.. is it better than hero seaforium?
frosty mango
u get a good cpu
I have a blaster pc and I still barely make 100 fps on dim and nexus
round pendant
100fps is more than enough 
granted the game should just perma run flat 144 but yeah
frosty mango
100fps is more than enough <a:huh:1072539415261499412>
Yes but I shouldn’t need a 5000 dollar pc to make 100 fps on a 20 year old game
plush tendon
Yes but I shouldn’t need a 5000 dollar pc to make 100 fps on a 20 year old game
thats a bit of a exageration
frosty mango
thats a bit of a exageration
I feel like it’s not for those two bosses
undone verge
Also 10 man raiding would at least alleviate the tank oversaturation in raiding
plush tendon
10 man raiding may also kill a bunch of 20 man raiding guilds
frosty mango
If you aren’t using an x3d cpu and frame gen you’re not getting good fps on those two bosses
Most people prob slide show gaming
undone verge
10 man raiding may also kill a bunch of 20 man raiding guilds
10 man raiding would kill 20 man raiding guilds that consist of 10 good players and their 10 carries who get 3/8M every tier
frosty mango
10 man raiding would kill 20 man raiding guilds that consist of 10 good players ...
I see nothing wrong with this
undone verge
I agree
jagged pier
10 man raiding would kill 20 man raiding guilds that consist of 10 good players ...
if u have 10 good players u arent making it to 3/8
im sorry but your not
round pendant
If you aren’t using an x3d cpu and frame gen you’re not getting good fps on thos...
oh you're getting 100fps with frame gen?
yeah nvm
that's fucked lmao
frosty mango
oh you're getting 100fps with frame gen?
In 30 man heroic I’m getting 100-110 in those fights with frame gen
undone beacon
Did they mention why the ten man dream is dead in that interview
Tuning and the fact that there are more than 10 classes so they dont want to design fights the lean on certain class buffs/mechanics like grips or speed boosts
keen star
hi, I have a crafted shield so I guess I take the shoulders because they're way rarer than a shield? (soul hunters vs loomithar)
round pendant
it's fake fps so doesn't really mean anything
frosty mango
The numbers are comical but it just shows that those 2 fights are dumb
plush tendon
hi, I have a crafted shield so I guess I take the shoulders because they're way ...
wait till after reclear
shield is prio
if that is a mythic shield
keen star
wait till after reclear
it is, but just 723 vs 720
frosty mango
I’m also running 4k
undone beacon
it is, but just 723 vs 720
shield ilvl >>>> everything else
round pendant
the game is just bottlenecked by cpu because of how the UI and buff tracking and all that works
undone verge
if u have 10 good players u arent making it to 3/8
Im talking about good in reference to Mythic raiders, like aotc warriors who do average heroic damage
keen star
shield ilvl >>>> everything else
oh for DR?
frosty mango
But imo most people who aren’t running on an x3d and a new gen card are prob getting sub 60 fps on the last two fights
round pendant
it's worse in big pulls or raid cause of the sheer number of units
round pendant
sim it
plush tendon
however, you statement is correct
frosty mango
the game is just bottlenecked by cpu because of how the UI and buff tracking and...
I wrote up a detailed layout not too long ago its in here somewhere
round pendant
but shield is nice tank
plush tendon
if you are clearing mythic first 3-4
keen star
I thought as long as I stay alive then I should go for DPS
plush tendon
you will see that shield again
keen star
I'm in a turboboost CE guild so I might not see soul hunters for months
undone beacon
I thought as long as I stay alive then I should go for DPS
The better you stay alive the more dps you can do, think about that
plush tendon
do you guys always reclear each week?
round pendant
I wrote up a detailed layout not too long ago its in here somewhere
What addons do you use btw
frosty mango
im sorry but your not
Hey I made it to 3/8m last tier in my casual guild of gray parses
plush tendon
I'm in a turboboost CE guild so I might not see soul hunters for months
I mean, if yall are working on Forge bro
round pendant
cell will be getting a nice fps boost soon enough
undone beacon
Wait for raid and see if loomi drops shield, otherwise take the shield
keen star
do you guys always reclear each week?
yeah for sure not going to extend
frosty mango
It just took turbo boost and 8 weeks of stacking dps buff
plush tendon
so youll be on Soul Hunters sooner then you think
keen star
I mean, if yall are working on Forge bro
no lmao I'm in the 2nd raid group because I only wanted to raid log twice a week
so we're progging loomithar
plush tendon
the shield comes from loomi right?
keen star
yeah
frosty mango
What addons do you use btw
Dominos, shadowed unit frames (only the player and target module), cell, dbm - that’s it for raid
I have a few auras but mostly ones I made myself and they use very little cpu when I profile
keen star
I think blizzard thinks loomithar is the 2nd boss but we killed soulbinder 2nd
frosty mango
The liquid auras im required to run are abysmal but what are you gonna do
plush tendon
oh right
undone beacon
then how do you have it in your vault?
Killing Soulbinder puts loomi loot in vault
plush tendon
I forgot
round pendant
Yeah, you'll get a significant amount of more fps when cell/suf update their aura tracking
plush tendon
frosty mango
Yeah, you'll get a significant amount of more fps when cell/suf update their aur...
I don’t think suf is any time soon but on deep dark dev ender was saying cell will be done soon
plush tendon
I think blizzard thinks loomithar is the 2nd boss but we killed soulbinder 2nd
so in your vault case, I still think shield is prio
but you have easy access to myth track loot in general
so, do whatever floats your boat
high latch
Lads, how bad is Taz HM for pugs at this stage? I've avoided it so far because I hate the idea of some random standing in fire and ruining the weekly attempt.
undone beacon
I say kill loomi and see if you nab the shield, if you do then take shoulders if you dont then take shield, easy game
round pendant
I don’t think suf is any time soon but on deep dark dev ender was saying cell wi...
You could switch to Cell - Unit Frames perhaps
plush tendon
Lads, how bad is Taz HM for pugs at this stage? I've avoided it so far because I...
its very much doable
but get in voice
undone beacon
Be a man and play with default blizzard ui, none of this fancy "elvui" or "cell" nonsense
plush tendon
and, generally, you want people who have timed a decent key leve of both gambit and streets
round pendant
I would if the default ui was usable
frosty mango
You could switch to Cell - Unit Frames perhaps
I think I can just write an aura using unit debuff partial to emulate it
Short term
plush tendon
still, ideally you get friends to do HM with you
take your time
and have fun with it
if someone fucks up, make fun of them a bit and move on
round pendant
the one attempt thing is just toxic which puts a lot of people off
solid sun
It’s just annoying
high latch
I wouldn't mind losing the attempt if it was with a premade, but having PUGs fuck it up would be frustrating.
round pendant
I would prefer it be like +16 difficulty infinite attempts
undone beacon
I fucking hate hardmode. I've tried it multiple times and theres always a guildie who does something stupid and ruins it
round pendant
vs +10 difficulty one attempt
undone beacon
I have a list now of people who arent getting invited back to my group
plush tendon
the one attempt thing is just toxic which puts a lot of people off
you just dont have that dog in you
love the one chance
it is annoying, I wont lie
but the stress.... I crave it
round pendant
Yeah I get that but you're in a minority
undone beacon
Taking portals in the middle of Shuri, getting hit by oasis frontals, throwing postmaster bombs the wrong way
solid sun
It isn’t even necessarily the one attempt that bothers me. I just think the hard mode stuff is annoying
undone beacon
And then when someone dies its just awkward tense angry silence until they leave the discord
plush tendon
I only get it that same level of stress from a really hard mythic end boss
where everyone is on edge at the last 5%
undone beacon
I love the idea of enhanced mechanics for bigger loot but one attempt for the whole group fucking sucks
plush tendon
And then when someone dies its just awkward tense angry silence until they leave...
yea, but you find funny ways to die
round pendant
I can't do it with my premade simply because two of them are stoners
solid sun
Oh I’m rooted while I hold this package. I guess fuck me while I throw it to myself repeatedly until I can toss it in the shaft
Gag me with a spoon
high latch
I love the idea of enhanced mechanics for bigger loot but one attempt for the wh...
100% my thoughts
undone beacon
yea, but you find funny ways to die
Its not funny when everyone wants myth gear and nobody gets it
round pendant
extra mechanics, +16 equivalent (or harder) scaling, infinite attempts
it'd be really fun
solid sun
Oh I gotta Zerg the adds down or breathe on them twice. I feel so engaged
round pendant
idk, I think its fun
yeah you might not mind "losing" the myth track loot but there's 4 other people who might potentially end up feeling like shit
especially if they're the one who fucks the attempt up
I think it's so bad for peoples mental lmao
undone beacon
Then you dont get invited back next week, easy
blazing ridge
I can't do it with my premade simply because two of them are stoners
Same for me, my friend Rogue stoner dies to every shit. No way in hell will he survive without a death xd
plush tendon
at least this time you dont have to go all the way back to Goldshire
id play hardcore retail
that would be fun
solid sun
We went into it expecting someone to die and just wanted to experience it
plush tendon
solid sun
And it was still just the worst time
undone beacon
I like hardcore but I prefer ironman over any form of group content
high latch
I think I'd like it if dying locked you out for that day, then you could retry it the next day. But you'd only get loot once a week.
undone beacon
I want to live and die by my own merits
Not the fuckery of some random twat on the internet
round pendant
if it was solo content it'd be fine
but there's 4 other people who potentially get their mental terrorised
I think it's just a toxic game design
plush tendon
I think it would be healthier if you could reset and it wasnt locked to one try a week
undone beacon
Like, horrific visions? I eat that shit UP. Big solo challenge content guy. Mage towers? Yummy
plush tendon
for the exact reasons you pointed out (for the majority)
high latch
For sure. If I mess up and die, that's on me. If RandomPlayer69 spaces out and dies it's just lame.
plush tendon
but for me (the minority) I love it
round pendant
ye
I get that
like some people are psychotic and love the 1 attempt thing because it makes them feel alive
but for me it just makes me think about how bad everyone is going to feel if it gets fucked up
undone beacon
but for me (the minority) I love it
Well your opinion is factually wrong and bad and I'm gonna break your femur now
plush tendon
I hope blizz keeps doing HM content like that
round pendant
I think just making it really hard but infinitely attemptable would be more fun for more people
solid sun
I hope, if they’re going to continue hard modes, they make them actually fun
round pendant
weekly hard mode (extra mechanics) with 1 myth loot at like +16+ scaling would be god content
undone beacon
I hope, if they’re going to continue hard modes, they make them actually fun
See I feel like the fights and mechanics are pretty interesting though. Its just the stress of not fucking up once that dilutes it
Fighting the band in oasis is so neat
I wish that was just the normal fight
high latch
See I feel like the fights and mechanics are pretty interesting though. Its just...
Yeah I agree with this. Aside from the shared consequences it's really cool.
round pendant
but then they'd have to design like extra mechanics for every boss for every dungeon every season
solid sun
The changes to mail room are dumb and the opposite of fun
The changes to the teleporty guy are dumb and not fun
The kick add on the rune boss is not fun
Double breath dragon sucks
Last boss sucks
undone beacon
Sounds like you just don't like Tazavesh very much lol
solid sun
The first boss I don’t mind, menagerie is fine, band is fine
undone beacon
I think So'azmi is a lot more exciting and fun on hardmode
The first 3/4ths of that fight on normal are soooo fucking boring
solid sun
Teleporting everytime you kick is so dumb
undone beacon
Just spread out instead of having all 5 players zerg the quadrant he's in, easy
plush tendon
Just spread out instead of having all 5 players zerg the quadrant he's in, easy
naw, we just yolo
solid sun
It’s like chasing down the bug idiot in palace
plush tendon
I think you only see 2 of the triple strike combos anyways
undone beacon
It’s like chasing down the bug idiot in palace
They're all bug idiots in palace silly
solid sun
I don’t wanna. Just fight me you dumb idiot boss
undone beacon
I think you only see 2 of the triple strike combos anyways
We skipped the 2nd triple strike this week
fuckin blasted
undone beacon
wow, loser. Going out instead of playing wow
plush tendon
IKR
the lady called
had to show up
she doesnt care that its reset
I kind of want to run it a couple of times this week
issue is just getting guild healers to get online that isnt just raid time
round pendant
god
plush tendon
undone beacon
issue is just getting guild healers to get online that isnt just raid time
we have the opposite problem. Our healers are always online and we have no tanks
plush tendon
we have too many
can we make a trade?
all of our tank players are also altaholics
so 1 tank player has like 4 tanks to play
keen star
I took the shoulders because that way I can equip a myth weapon, craft wrists and still have 2 crafted pieces for duskthread
and the shoulders will be a good gilded crest dump if I get nothing out of the next vault
plush tendon
I may disagree on principal with your choice, but I respect it
and it at least makes some sense
lunar flare
Why is there Tazavesh disrespect in this chat
I will only accept slander of two dungeons
Ara kara
And Halls
Which are both dreadful experiences
solid sun
Nopers
lunar flare
I guess you wouldnt like tazavesh since they keep animals in cages
rotund sigil
Anyone know what the correct choice is here? Feels like the sims don't value tome correctly 🤔
echo egret
How good are Champion Soul Hunters boots vs Hero/Myth regular boots ?
nocturne spindle
Anyone know what the correct choice is here? Feels like the sims don't value tom...
Tome go brr
rotund sigil
Tome do go brr, does brand do the same?
nocturne spindle
How good are Champion Soul Hunters boots vs Hero/Myth regular boots ?
Worse than myth, would probably take them over hero track but that's cause your not spending gilded on them
mellow yoke
Anyone know what the correct choice is here? Feels like the sims don't value tom...
maybe do HC raid first
see if u get brand there maybe
rotund sigil
Yeah, I mean it could have spread these out a little over the weeks tho 😂
Lol brand even has Avoidance, hadn't even noticed 😂
vale escarp
my dh got such a good vault (weapon, tome and tierset pants), meanwhile my warrior got 2 shitty trinkets and an okish ring
dapper walrus
What's a typical opening ability sequence to effectively pull to us? Especially mobs at range
toxic gyro
What's a typical opening ability sequence to effectively pull to us? Especially ...
Heroic throw and tc before mobs “tc” one of your teammates 
dapper walrus
Sorry, tc?
undone beacon
Thunder Clap
dapper walrus
ty
dapper walrus
Heroic throw and tc before mobs “tc” one of your teammates <:keks:93623161085089...
And, ty
undone beacon
Leverage heroic throw, it’s a spammable high aggro ranged ability. Hope that a ravager is thrown down to follow them in. Or watch a ravager get thrown down and aggro a pat. One of the two
toxic gyro
And, ty
You can also charge/leap, clap and run/charge/leap back depending on circumstances. Just try avoid getting slapped in the back.
dapper walrus
Yeah I tend to leap, charge, and shield charge but wanted some input on what others do to make sure I wasn't missing anything. When I watch streamer's videos it looks so much cleaner than when I do it
frosty mango
Are there specific pulls where you feel you struggle
I can probably offer some more targeted advice
dapper walrus
I don't have anything specific atm
I also try to DS once everything is initially mad at me
frosty mango
The layout and structure of the pull will determine the flow of the opener
dapper walrus
The layout and structure of the pull will determine the flow of the opener
Makes sense
undone beacon
Just run with a hunter and have them MD everything to you EZ
lunar flare
What's a typical opening ability sequence to effectively pull to us? Especially ...
What I kept fucking up on was throwing a hammer to pull a group and not having a button for when they arrived, so they didn't want to spend time with me
So I'm a bit more proactive in having a fatty tc ready to greet them
steep pivot
hey both brand and tome dont have str baseline, shjould i wear one of themm or both?
vale escarp
maybe just sim? but i would use both
strong forum
Brand is dogshit on short fights, so be aware of that aswell, aka sim the actual fight duration
In keys brand is good, cuz you can maintain your stacks
Tome is awkward since pages cycle more quickly and it's a pure ST dmg proc, the crit and magic absorb is nice tho
torpid dome
Brand is dogshit on short fights, so be aware of that aswell, aka sim the actual...
Yeah and what was it, everything up to 5 minutes counts as "short" if I remember correctly
strong forum
It takes 5min to ramp up to max ye
jagged pier
@lusty grotto signet number 4
torpid dome
It takes 5min to ramp up to max ye
Yeah then most easy raid fights brand will not be optjmal
dusky canopy
<@131897531251556352> signet number 4
torpid dome
<@131897531251556352> signet number 4
I see signet drop so often
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> signet number 4
torpid dome
And double drops as well lmao
lunar flare
Yes, wanting it only makes it more elusive
undone beacon
I did a random 10 priory on my bear to help guildies, 2nd one of the season, bam tome
lunar flare
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"
undone beacon
Its cuz the universe knew I wasnt stressin
dusky canopy
About 42.069% in math variations
high latch
Sim it. I'm sure someone here can give you a rough answer, but it depends on your other stats and stuff.
gentle pier
Yeah ill check right now
Should you care about ilvl on neck? over stats? I mean if the stamina diffrence matter enough
high latch
The stamina doesn't matter much, but the secondary stats total does. Higher ilvl neck is often better regardless of stats.
Unless it gives you loads of haste and you already have 25k or something. Then it gets more complicated.
The real answer is to just sim it, but yeah.
gentle pier
does it all comes down to dmg though? is there a haste/crit cap i should prioritize before?
in order for me to get smoother tanking or whatever
high latch
First priority is your Shield Block uptime. Then we just sim for damage mostly.
blazing zinc
Hello, for someone who ONLY plays m+, is Tome the best choice here? Thank you very much for any advice!
high latch
If you're running Heavy Repercussions instead of ITF then your stats don't matter much. You'lll have 100% uptime anyway. But you can swap to ITF when you have 21-25k haste, depending on skill.
high latch
Hello, for someone who ONLY plays m+, is Tome the best choice here? Thank you ve...
I'd take Tome 100%
fallen marlin
Can someome tell me how tome work ?
vale escarp
you always want the crit buff from it
lunar flare
Can someome tell me how tome work ?
This post does a good job explaining, it helped me
vale escarp
so as soon as it changes to magic absorb you use the trinket
high latch
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1349732507062...
That's a good explanation!
wind whale
there is a weakaura for it too I think
high latch
so as soon as it changes to magic absorb you use the trinket
Kind of. You can optimize it further based on stacks.
You can get https://wago.io/Bn9mwPxCC and just press it when it tells you to.
That takes stacks and everything into consideration.
Basically it will display an icon and play a sound if:
1- You are in Inner Resilience (trinket's defensive mode).
2- Your trinket is off cooldown.
3- You have less than 40 stacks of 50 Verses of Inner Resilience.
spice anchor
Does anyone know the haste% required for 100% uptime on shield block?
lusty grotto
theres none
if you play HR
and there's none if you play ITF because you will still have gaps
in other words, you wont have 100% uptime
but can get close
high latch
Does anyone know the haste% required for 100% uptime on shield block?
To play ITF it's typically recommended to have 21-25k haste depending on your skill. But you'll still have small gaps.
lusty grotto
To play ITF it's typically recommended to have 21-25k haste depending on your sk...
that is not the same as asking for 100% SB uptime
gentle quest
Trying to break some thresholds with how long my Shield Slam is on cd. Are we macroing shield slam over other abilities to make sure its always on cd?
high latch
that is not the same as asking for 100% SB uptime
Right. You gave a good answer so I was just adding on a bit more detail.
gentle quest
idk i think every ability could have a /cast shield slam before it..
spice anchor
To play ITF it's typically recommended to have 21-25k haste depending on your sk...
Ty
native depot
Hi so im currenlty like this and have my 2 crafted pieces with woven dawnthread. should i go craft a weapon and put darkmoon sigil and duskthread lining on my shield and remove embellishment on my wrist?
lusty grotto
idk i think every ability could have a /cast shield slam before it..
SS is a GCD, you cant cast it with everything
and youre gonna miss TB prios
spice anchor
Right. You gave a good answer so I was just adding on a bit more detail.
You answered the question i was looking for
lusty grotto
thats a nono
lusty grotto
Hi so im currenlty like this and have my 2 crafted pieces with woven dawnthread....
yes you should craft a weapon
no you shouldnt put sigil
dusk/dawn x2 are our embelishments
craft an embelish-less weapon
lusty grotto
sure
warm plinth
Good morning
gentle pier
Okey, i cant decide what to pick here. Could someone just help me please.
Sim-wise Amplifier neck + Sacbrood is like 0,5% more dps. But that means im choosing it over Peacemaker that according to most sites is BIS? So what do i do ?
sage geyser
how do i sim highest dps while in tank stance instead of dps
shrewd grove
Tank... stance...?
scarlet copper
anyone notice that the statues on last boss HoA are only sometimes hot to touch? Not the moving ones, but the stationary ones. Sometimes you can run into one and nothing happens, but others it can one-shot you.
Are they only hot when the "throw statue" mechanic is happening?
warm plinth
Not sure but I know they behave weirdly this time around. Most of the time a statue will go right through another and then once in a while it will bounce off the other statue (which was what they always did before)
lusty grotto
how do i sim highest dps while in tank stance instead of dps
why does it matter
mellow yoke
how do i sim highest dps while in tank stance instead of dps
it's not even that huge of a difference
lusty grotto
Okey, i cant decide what to pick here. Could someone just help me please.
Sim-wi...
what track are your trinkets?
sage geyser
i dont play warror it was a ask for a friend do u not have anything that procs off crit
will the rotation be the same
gentle pier
Tome Myth, Peace Hero