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plush tendon
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Im not a god gamer

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Im just a super mole

solid sun
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I run with toddlers

azure crag
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my guild just made it to nexus king.
And he farmed us all raid night last week

steep pivot
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i dont even have a squad XD

plush tendon
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mythic or heroic nexus king...

azure crag
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heroic lmao

plush tendon
solid sun
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We killed the canister boss last week with like 5 of us left alive pretty sure

steep pivot
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i pugged and i got to nexus king, buut we dont defeat him... i got 6/8 on heroic pug

plush tendon
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6/8 Heroic pug is super normal

azure crag
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I think we found every possible way to wipe on that fight

solid sun
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I never pug

steep pivot
solid sun
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Yep

plush tendon
solid sun
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My bdk partner in crime got knocked off the edge twice

plush tendon
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do you guys all have the liquid weakaura pack?

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you can legit just follow that

solid sun
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No

azure crag
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My bear cotank hit his entire half of the raid with the boss cleave

steep pivot
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i play without addons, intuitionwise xD

solid sun
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I mentioned it to them but they told me it was cringe to use it

steep pivot
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hehehe im just mmessin, i got some WA... ill get that liquid pack

plush tendon
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I dont envy yall.... I would lose my mind if I saw something like that

azure crag
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We've made it to phase 3 several times, and every time, we die immediately because we keep missing the stars

plush tendon
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incoming deserter buff X7 for me

solid sun
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Our frost DK didn’t move out of the super obvious circle on the spider boss

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Where you run to the edges

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I said “move out” and he watched everyone go to the edge

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And he just stood there

azure crag
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One attempt, two of our DPS went to the wrong platform and we all blew up.

solid sun
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I can’t explain the things I see, Augusto

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They just happen

plush tendon
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I shouldnt judge.... we all play this game different

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just.... idk man, Im sorry?

solid sun
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I’d love to push keys and run mythic

plush tendon
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naw. mythic raid is sweaty

solid sun
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But my friends don’t like playing that way

plush tendon
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<- this kid doesnt have time

solid sun
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And couldn’t even if they liked it lmao

plush tendon
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thats so weird to me

steep pivot
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man i almost died on a prio 11 coz sullyvan punched me and i flew away, came back with charge but the whole pack walked on my direction and when i ended the charge i was facin sullyvan and tons of add right on my back!!! holy smokes, that is dangerouus thing to do, i think thats why tanks position it on the wall so you cant be thrown away

plush tendon
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people I play with play for the challange

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if content is too ez... they get bored

azure crag
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Part of me would like more consitency with my own guild mates, but half the fun of being in a heroic raiding guild is its not so serious.
You can have a handful of very bad, but very fun players who are nice to have around

shrewd grove
azure crag
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and still make progress

plush tendon
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yea, chilling in a heroic only guild is awesome

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but also... yall should be clearing the content with no stress

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I feel like theres a line between a heroic prog guild and a chill 'we do heroic once a week' guild

solid sun
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Oh im not stressed

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I just roll with the punches

azure crag
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I'm not stressed either, I was laughin' my ass off lmao

twin hazel
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623 weapon -> 707 Crit haste avoidance weapon
OR
655 shoulders -> Myth Tier shoulders
This would be 3 pieces of tier

solid sun
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It might take us three months to finish aotc

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But we will get it

steep pivot
strong forum
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weapon

shrewd grove
twin hazel
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I could, crafted a shield already but i just started gearing it monday

shrewd grove
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Got ya. Weapon then for sure

strong forum
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its real easy to catalyse shoulders

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but getting bis stat myth weapon?

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not so easy

plush tendon
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yea, you snag BiS weppy

twin hazel
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yah that was my thought

plush tendon
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Shoulders are such a low prio slot

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in general

twin hazel
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or i could craft the weapon and take shoulders

plush tendon
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naw

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fuck that

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take wep

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dont look back

glacial lynx
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Goresilk chest guard in my vault (it sims 31k less dps at 723 then my 710) guess ill take tier helm

plush tendon
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Ion gave you your best wep, making a crafted and taking shoulders is like 'well, I really want to see the Eiffel Tower.... but I could just go to Vegas and see it I guess'

solid sun
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How do pugs handle Fractil?

plush tendon
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tanks on either side

solid sun
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I assume they aren’t forcing all the members to get the liquid pack

plush tendon
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they stay there

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and you make a safe spot in the center

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thats it

solid sun
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Do the walls and break work the same as in N?

plush tendon
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I think so

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IDK, I tank so I sit in my corner

solid sun
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And you just stay in your corner forever lol

plush tendon
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but the fight is super easy

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Mythic Frac is literally a 8 pull boss

twin hazel
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so for crafting, was thinking of recrafting the neck i already have to 720 its got embellishment already on it too. or something else?

solid sun
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Yeah but they use a weakaura to do it

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That’s why I was curious about pugs

plush tendon
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pugs just sort of figure it out on heroic

solid sun
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Every tank wall is the swap isn’t it

plush tendon
plush tendon
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thats it

solid sun
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Debuff is getting hit by the wall. Not breaking a wall

plush tendon
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and never having to think about those slots again

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then future crafts can be necks and rings

twin hazel
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so probably bracers then since i have a hero belt right now at least

plush tendon
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how many crafts have yo usent

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you should have 3

twin hazel
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oh yah i guess i could do both

plush tendon
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the other option is to make bracers and make a new neck

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but I feel like you can do Hardmode Taz

solid sun
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NA has four crafts today right

plush tendon
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in which case, either neck from there is great

plush tendon
topaz rivet
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Question: As a heroic only raider who does higher keys, should i take myth track tier gloves or myth track Pacemaker from my vault do we think? Sims say gloves... but there's definitely a part of me that says "well, all i have to do is see myth track other gloves and catalyze them and there are way more gloves in the future pool than pacemakers."

tight mural
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well fuck. a good situation to have, i guess. i have hero helm, but could upgrade to mythic and save a catlyst charge. or mythic tome. i got mythic pace last week, and have champ brand, so trinkets are already pretty solid.

vital vale
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is thunder clap (with no procs/blast) still higher prio than revenge damage wise?

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as thane

solid sun
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I wouldn’t pass up myth tome

mighty valley
plush tendon
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Except once turbo comes out

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but that wont be for a while

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and, also, by then I imagine the first 3 bosses will be easily puggable

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heck, I think people will be pugging 5/8 mythic even 6/8 by Turbo

chrome falcon
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unless you haven't apply DW to the pack yet

plush tendon
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doesnt Clap apply DW?

vital vale
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and yeah im used to colossus where clap does 0 damage next to revenge, funny how thane swaps it

plush tendon
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I like the difference in Hero Talents

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both are good playstyles

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just wished the tuning was a bit tighter for their to be more of a real choice this season

gloomy solar
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i quit

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fuck this game

rough egret
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Nice belt

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Nice neck

jagged pier
plush tendon
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that neck is nice

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what you on about

late niche
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Which would you choose?
I have a 720 crafted wep, I have Hero track Sig and Tome from last season. I know its Wep or So'leah's and with raidsbots website down i cant figure it out. Help plz!

vital vale
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i really hate not having that with thane

plush tendon
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was always the risk of crafting a weapon

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one might drop in vault... but you would be foolish not to take it

late niche
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Thanks for the clarity

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whats peoples takes on wep enchant, ive seen guile-auth -pwr and depths

rough egret
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Also its only 15crests to max it 🙂

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Im using guile

tribal wharf
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poison's, sell em

jagged gust
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WEP enchants change based off of your stats

lunar flare
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My favourite

warm plinth
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How's everyone's vaults

solid sun
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I tried simming but my time to complete the sim kept climbing

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But I’ll either end up with a crit haste neck or upgraded shoulders

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I find myself pleased

fathom oasis
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did we get a bot command for this?

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it's that time o' the week

undone beacon
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i need nim to show up to give him the bear vault, i dont wanna add to his pings

warm plinth
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Only got 2 vault slots on woyer last week. Ended up huntering a lot

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But I'm sure I'll get something good.

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manifesting

undone beacon
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Sadge

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I'm my guilds only reliable tank so in tank jail I stay

solid sun
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I was looking at Warcraft logs and it looks like marks is pumping

lunar flare
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Tanking is not a prison, it is a gift

mighty valley
mellow bridge
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MM does big dam with set and especially prism

fathom oasis
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"I'm not trapped in here with you..."

mighty valley
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but I figure I take it so I have flexibility in other drops

fathom oasis
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"You are trapped in here with ME!"

undone beacon
warm plinth
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Gotcha. What hero tree you play as surv?

rotund moon
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regarding craft what should my first 2 crafts be, no myth items yet. presume shield and wep?

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its an alt im gearing

rough egret
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Yes

rotund moon
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thanks

hardy snow
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I cant wait to see my vault tomorrow ExcitedBlushette

undone beacon
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Is very fun

lofty warren
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Can the arcane stab from the big guys after boss 1 in eco domed be spell reflected to reduce damage?

warm plinth
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I play bm

undone beacon
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BM makes me wanna go to bed

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Especially with the no-multishot build

toxic remnant
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hello all

hardy snow
toxic remnant
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i am new as prot warrior

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any good macro and weakura

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where can i find it pls ?
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bleak parcel
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Luke warm vault

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Torn on tier or ring lol

hardy snow
undone beacon
rotund moon
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Does this mean it doesnt work on wep and shield?

bleak parcel
undone beacon
undone beacon
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The emoji worked

rotund moon
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so i craft wep with no embelish?

undone beacon
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That is an option

bleak parcel
undone beacon
bleak parcel
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its all so stinky

undone beacon
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Worth noting a chest drops off first myth vault

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How is taking a myth chest a dps loss?

bleak parcel
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i have no clue

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LOL

undone beacon
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Did you not upgrade it in the sim

bleak parcel
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Oh I missed that

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woops

rotund moon
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sorry im new here, the other class diescord servers had guides for what to craft week 1 if you dont get vault wep/ offhand, then what to craft next. from the guides here i dont see any information

undone beacon
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Pick your lowest ilvl piece and craft that

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Jewelery is usually a good options for stat fixing

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Run a droptimizer crafting sim

solid sun
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Is there a specific way you’re supposed to handle the first boss in AK

dusky canopy
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Bring it’s hp to zero

remote tusk
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Just make sure it isn't close to eggs

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And move during shit

solid sun
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Okay so outside of staying away from eggs/spiders there isn’t any special positioning

remote tusk
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Not really no

prime sphinx
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u wanna put it near the eggs for cleave, adds fixate players so they should just never go inside boss hitcircle and it wont enrage

dusky canopy
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Had a few tanks keep boss close to the hatchlings so we could cleave but we had good cc and burst for that

remote tusk
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I mean if you play Spear it can be safe on 1st and 3rd pack Ig

fiery wren
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I just read an article that said prot warrior is more meta than veng DH rn for m+ is that true? are all the best teams running prot war atm

wary ermine
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dammit i have no clue what to take lol

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chest for 4pc or one of those trinkys

remote tusk
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catalyst?

wary ermine
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yeah i guess ive been having zero luck with farming at least a heroic chest or shoulders for cata

remote tusk
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try that first and then decide

wary ermine
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tru

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rlly good vault tho which is nice for once lol

remote tusk
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tier piece if its not mythic feels like a waste over either trinket

wary ermine
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tru

remote tusk
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could also try luck in a delve first with quartz

wary ermine
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oh yeh u right

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lets see the lock luck

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oh hell yeah got a voidglass kris

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and an eco dome key double lucky

lean aurora
wary ermine
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that entire dungeon is so AIDS

shrewd grove
desert hinge
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yeah cuz maximum coverage of the stage with webs is optimal when you're pugging i heard

lean aurora
wary ermine
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second boss is annoying too if ur ranged arent paying attention and interrupting the adds

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i dunno how many times ive been clipped by his spikes cuz an add 30 yards away gets a cast off right as anub is doing his spikes

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for tanking its def relatively ez tho

mighty valley
lunar flare
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But if it's clear they're chimps and aren't coordinated, I move it further away

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Good players will give you the pas-ag ping to move it closer, thats usually your cue

frozen zenith
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hero track set gloves or ilvl 701 seaforium trinket (running cursed idol and aranocore cuz no tome and no brand)

hardy ridge
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Haste seems to be simming kinda low around 27k. Since you only need ~21k haste for 100% sb uptime, are you guys prioritizing crit and vers over haste if you have a lot

mighty valley
lofty warren
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Does hpal benefit from warrior scream?

mighty valley
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but yeah, 27k is very high, you can follow sims and take other stats for sure

frozen zenith
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i thought 21k haste was the point for 100% sb uptime

frosty mango
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We lose last tier bonus

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So the number is higher now

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I personally can’t get to last seasons numbers without a disgusting amount of haste so I’m holding 25k and just simming from there

undone beacon
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Just run heavy repercussions forever easy

frozen zenith
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must be my DISC proccing

frosty mango
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That nets me a reasonable enough amount of uptime

frozen zenith
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that helps then

delicate zealot
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Best comp for Taza HM deathless ?

frozen zenith
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i get uptime pretty easily with 21800 so idk

hardy ridge
jagged gust
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oh yeah that's about enough

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20-22k is about where you want to be

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honestly even 18-20k isn't terrible, it's like 1 second of SB downtime every 45sec

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plus then you can just haste flask and problem solved

mighty valley
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i'm with roid, i go a little higher so i can keep high uptime even with a few mental slips

jagged gust
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I swear every week someone adds another 1k haste to the number

mighty valley
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well, right now I go higher because haste is all that drops

undone beacon
frozen zenith
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yeah im at 22k and have no problems if i rotate sb and shield charge

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i just have like no vers and a bunch of crit

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and feel like i am prone to getting chunked

neon elk
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U will have gaps tho still

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If fight is longer

frozen zenith
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you sure bout that

neon elk
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Yap

jagged gust
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X

frozen zenith
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might be cuz of DISC belt then

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i get that 5.6k haste proc

neon elk
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U cant have 100% sb uptime with 21k haste in long fights

lofty warren
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What is the uptime on shield wall as Mt m+?

jagged gust
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lower than Colossus

frozen zenith
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guess ima wait awhile to swap out my belt lol

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to a forged one

jagged gust
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fuck that

frozen zenith
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altho if i do haste/crit id get like 23k haste

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not bad

jagged gust
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1s of downtime is nothing

frozen zenith
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im still noobs im at 699

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sim prob will say i should craft weapon to 720 next

jagged gust
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without a doubt, weapon is pound for pound the highest upgrade you can get with ilvl

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in terms of DPS

frozen zenith
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yeah to balance tankiness out...

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i did shield first

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lol

jagged gust
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yeah crafted shield makes your life so much easier, definitely did the smart move

frozen zenith
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i just got the seaforium from vault

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its either up the sword to 720 next or bracer/belt

jagged gust
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but if you're not in a position to farm for myth weapon, it's a good 2nd craft

frozen zenith
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yeah nowhere near myth raid yet

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our group may try heroic this week

shrewd grove
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Myth tier chest or Myth pacemaker if I already have heroic Brand and Tome?

jagged gust
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I always pick chest/shoulders because I've gone entire seasons without seeing them

twilit sluice
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Does 3 ilvl change much over having crafted shield with better secondaries?

jagged gust
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technically yes

mighty valley
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it's better, obviously not worlds of difference but

lofty warren
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Shield ilvl = more block or something

mighty valley
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the secondary budget on shield is pretty low anyway so ilvl > all

twilit sluice
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Alrighty ty

lofty warren
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In the last boss of economics dome why does the boss spawn still images of me and what am I supposed to do with it? In my +13 I saw it got some sort of debuff but not 100% if it's related

minor lark
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It's bracers crafting week right?

jagged gust
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yessirrrr

lofty warren
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How is it bait im 100% not fishing

minor lark
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All my vault were meme trinkets or just myth bracers, I stg blizz....

jagged gust
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Yeah myth bracers feel the worst

mighty valley
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you want to pick them up before the boss hits them

jagged gust
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Like you can take them, and craft belt instead, but eventually you'll wanna craft that slot too lol

lofty warren
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Ok ty. Does it even do a lot of damage? I had that debuff and hp not really moved much not sure if healer was spam healing me or what

minor lark
mighty valley
jagged gust
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belt is gonna be your bis craft alongside bracers, eventually

jagged gust
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Belt isn't that great, I replaced mine with a champion delve one

lunar flare
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But you already know that as ur in +13s

minor lark
lofty warren
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I don't know that I swear it's the first time I saw that usually I just avoid the purple bad area he makes and time the key

mighty valley
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yeah was kinda surprised that same ilvl belts were already beating the disc belt for me

lofty warren
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Can someone else pick up your image or do you need to do your own?

mighty valley
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you have to do your own

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it's your soul

lunar flare
jagged gust
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I think every belt had a roughly 50% uptime on their proc, so like an average of 2k stats on it

shrewd grove
solid sun
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Nu uh

lofty warren
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I guess it makes sense to touch the image instead of just always ignoring it

jagged gust
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Thing got outscaled reallll fast

lunar flare
grim pilot
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Further into the expansion means easier keys

shrewd grove
grim pilot
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S1 in df think they got capped at 29, s3 they did 34

minor lark
shrewd grove
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K

lofty warren
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I only figure out mechanic if it's something relevant imo. Ain't nobody got time for irrelevant mechanics

desert hinge
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meanwhile i have to tell balance druids in my parties to go do m0 to learn mechanics and come back to my keys xd

lunar flare
grim pilot
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No need to be a dick about it

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Fyi

lofty warren
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And now I learned

lunar flare
grim pilot
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It doesn’t look like a bait question

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Just a clueless one

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Which is fine

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We’ve all been clueless at some point

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And 13’s is not very high content

solid sun
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I don’t feel like any AK or HoA above like 11 is very free lol

lofty warren
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Speaking of learning. What can be done to be able to pull 2of the big arcane slash guys after boss 1 in eco domed?

I try to pull them but they give me big damage debuff and then im sad and die. Don't want to pull 1 at a time if possible

lunar flare
cedar egret
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not very high probably maybe high

grim pilot
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It objectively isn’t, you’re allowed to lack knowledge of dungeons/your class in a +13

grim pilot
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Okay

lunar flare
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Otherwise more than 10% of the m+ community would be doing them

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Which they aren't

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(give or take)

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But cba to argue semantics

solid sun
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Each dungeon varies in difficulty and each player has varied experience

grim pilot
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That statistic is so bad

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It’s insane

lunar flare
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Ok DM me your thesis on it and I'll be sure to read it

lofty warren
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A +13 is not high ppl that are good are doing 16s-18s right now i think

lunar flare
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I'm not having a shit flinging fight over whether a 13 is hard or not

solid sun
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Some 13s are hard

grim pilot
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Idk there is clearly no point in arguing with you seeing your attitude so gonna ditch that conversation bedge

lunar flare
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Such moral virtue

solid sun
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It can be reductive to say “oh 13s aren’t high keys” and I don’t think that’s helpful to anyone. It’s a relative thing. A 13 is a small key to Yoda. A 13 is a high key for me right now

lunar flare
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You're right

solid sun
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Just trying to help bring perspective

frozen zenith
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Is eco dome the one with the dragon boss

high latch
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No, that's Gambit

lunar flare
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Gambit?

frozen zenith
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Bruh that was super hard last week with the affix

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I cry sadge

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So I'd say 13 is pretty high hehe

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For normies like me and my buddies

minor lark
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I peaked at 3k last patch from lack of time to play, 13s were a gauntlet for me.

Not exactly smooth for everyone...

lofty warren
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Any advice to deal with eco domed arcane slash? That ability preventing me from doing bigger pull atm

high latch
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That's the one you can outrange, right? I've just facetanked it, but think that's the case?

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It'll track you, so you have to run away from the sentinel for it

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If it's the one I'm thinking of.

solid sun
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It’s the sentinel frontal, yes

high latch
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Then you can outrange it

lofty warren
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Ohh nice bc I've been face taking that and it was forcing me to do 1x of them at a time instead of multiple

mighty valley
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on the sheet it says you can outrange with leap, i guess it's pretty far?

high latch
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You can also just run I'm pretty sure

solid sun
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I still wouldn’t do two sentinels tbh

high latch
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But yeah, it's at the edge of the graphic

lunar flare
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Two sentinels is a bad idea isnt it?

solid sun
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I think so

high latch
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They also spawn the arcane puddles which can be an issue

solid sun
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Imagine both shields breaking at the same time and the entire world is purple

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Suddenly we are on a sc2 map and the Zerg is winning

lofty warren
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Just keep kiting or use dragon flight if ur a lizard

high latch
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But yeah, the Slash itself can be avoided completely.

lofty warren
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If you don't have movement and you start running away right when he starts to cast can you get out of range?

nocturne spindle
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you should be able to face tank it tbh

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shield wall and just stay

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or spell reflect

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you dont pull 2cause they do huge group damage

lofty warren
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Says here that not reflectable

nocturne spindle
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yea its still damage reduction

high latch
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Spell Reflect also reduces magic damage taken

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even if the ability in question cannot be reflected

nocturne spindle
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i just face tank it with reflect or wall on the 15 so

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maybe in the 17+ range you have to jump it

lofty warren
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When i tried to pull 2 usually it isn't the group that is dying it is me even with reflect and sw

solid sun
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Don’t pull two

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Lots of other things to pull that don’t include sentinels

high latch
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There's no big drawback to outranging it except for losing a couple of seconds worth of damage, but if you can tank it and it doesn't stress you or the healer, then sure why not.

solid sun
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If you run away and then turn your back it might not be the sentinel that kills you

high latch
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Just strafe jump. And the slow from your claps will help.

slender bison
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Sentinels pulls are more inefficient the higher the key, since the pink puddles brick your melee DPS

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Just get count from 2nd and last area. Shadow bugs are the best

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But don't get too many bugs at a time else you get deleted

solid sun
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What the heck are shadow bugs

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The beetle things?

lofty warren
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The guys that go in the ground I think

slender bison
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Yeah, not the tremors big one

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The purple ones

high latch
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The Wastes Creepers?

solid sun
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I actually don’t even mind the pactspeakers rn tbh

slender bison
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The ones chilling on the surface yield best count

solid sun
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Sentinels are probably the worst mobs in the dungeon. Them or the giant beetles

high latch
#

Yeah, I think you mean the Wastes Creepers. Maybe I should change my route to include more of them.

lunar flare
#

I hate the little crocodile things that zip around

mellow yoke
#

not only do they do big dmg on tank they also do group wide dmg when their shield is down

slender bison
#

Giant underground bugs are barely healable alone in a 15 for their 4.x %

lofty warren
lunar flare
#

Not at once

slender bison
mellow yoke
#

u can skip the one with the 2

high latch
#

Yeah my route only does 1 at the same time

mellow yoke
#

little mobs

slender bison
#

Only mandatory one is for 2nd boss

lofty warren
#

Yea but if you do less pulls then more efficient if you don't die

lunar flare
#

But you are dying

mellow yoke
lofty warren
mellow yoke
#

see the one on pull 4

#

that is not marked

#

if u pull the 2 little mobs beside it it doesnt get pulled

#

and u can go around it

lofty warren
#

Ohh. But what about the one sitting in pull 5?

mellow yoke
#

what about it

#

i mean

#

i think it is skippable

lofty warren
#

Well that means you are doing 2 of them

high latch
#

He patrols along the road you wanna go, so that would be hard to skip

mellow yoke
#

but pull 5 itself is easy

#

you are doing 2, not in the same pull

high latch
#

Sentinels have stealth detect, no?

#

Or am I remembering wrong?

slender bison
#

Yes, but hugging right works

#

Bug or not

mellow yoke
#

ur wrong

lofty warren
#

True. It's really just the 2 close ones in pull 4 that are getting me. I'll try the "do not pull the annoying miniboss" in pull4 tactic and see

slender bison
#

Not enough true sight detection

mellow yoke
#

atleast according to mdt

high latch
#

Ok, then they can be skipped quite easily

mellow yoke
#

if u do a heroic throw

#

on the 2 mobs surrounding the one in pull 4

#

you do not pull the sentinel

lofty warren
#

What if you use the pwar version of throw glaive? Sane thing im guessing

slender bison
#

All Eco routes have 2 sentinel pulls - the first and the boss one

lusty grotto
#

so many tags, and discord's notifications are broken

#

i wonder what they are

#

surely not vault myth trinkets

solid sun
#

Mistakes

high latch
#

Surely not

lunar flare
#

I've just been pulling him into pull 4

mellow yoke
#

u dont have to

#

but

#

random ravager procs

#

sometimes brick this

#

happend to me once

slender bison
#

Eco bricked? Oxymoron

lofty warren
#

So random Ravager procs and now you are sitting with of arcane slashers. What you dom

#

What you do?*

terse scroll
mellow yoke
#

say your prayers

mellow yoke
#

dont play wiith random ravager

lunar flare
lofty warren
lusty grotto
#

the type is there

#

you dont need it to tell you to SR for MDR

lusty grotto
#

use brain cells

frosty mango
#

sense does enough work in the sheet he doesn't need to think for you too 🤣

lofty warren
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

yes you will

#

but only outside of the game, or when you tab out

#

game is crayon eating time

dusky canopy
#

I will only smack my forehead on the keyboard!!

frosty mango
dusky canopy
#

Heathen!!

high latch
lusty grotto
lofty warren
#

Does mt use random Ravager too? Omg

lusty grotto
#

pepega is pepega'ing

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

and people keep falling

frosty mango
#

yes we very much use whirling blade, lol

lunar flare
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
lofty warren
#

Is there a way to guarantee random Ravager won't proc (like if it has an icd)?

lunar flare
#

I guess you could just not talent into it for eco dome?

slender bison
#

Anyone else brave enough to tank Dailcry without Mud in a 15?

frosty mango
high latch
#

It does 5ppm, but you don't really have any way of controlling when they'll happen.

#

Sometimes it'll screw you, mostly it'll be good.

sinful stone
#

why is logic loop omega, a heavy mastery ring listed as our BIS ring ?

lusty grotto
#

because

lunar flare
#

"1 min, 4 procs, it's time"

high latch
#

They don't work on set intervals

#

You can get two procs back to back

lusty grotto
#

that list is an entire list, not specific items, it is bis because it sims high when paired with the rest

dusky canopy
lofty warren
#

Ohh ppm yucky I was hoping to see it proc and then know that for sure it won't proc in the next 10s so then I can pull the 2 guys in pull 4 without also getting the miniboss

lusty grotto
#

if youre using that list as a guide for bis items youre doing it wrong, thats what raidbots is for

#

unless you have every single one of those items

jagged gust
dusky canopy
#

||askmrrobot|| critcake

lusty grotto
#

also mastery isnt bad

#

dont make me tag ghash

#

obligatory alt tagging @undone beacon

minor lark
#

Oh it isnt bad, but having more than 25%ish haste would be nice

jagged gust
#

imo Mr Robot should've been a 2-3 hour mini-series

lusty grotto
dusky canopy
slender bison
frosty mango
#

I have 32000 haste

#

It hurts me

lofty warren
#

All I wanna do is press thunder stomp over and over

frosty mango
#

Pray to rngeus for me to get some non haste drops

mellow yoke
lusty grotto
#

because today was office day

mellow yoke
#

what does that mean

lofty warren
#

Can you outrange arcane slash without using a movement ability?

lusty grotto
#

means i cant play while i attend dumb meetings

mellow yoke
#

no i mean

#

why

frosty mango
mellow yoke
#

do you keep

#

doing them

lusty grotto
#

because im not gonna get a brand any time soon

frosty mango
#

He’s a singularly focused machine

mellow yoke
#

are u farming

#

pacemaker

frosty mango
#

With a singularly focused dream

lusty grotto
#

obviously

frosty mango
#

And he’s letting off steam

#

Opening the floodgates so to speak

mellow yoke
#

i got pacemaker first try

#

so im gucci

coarse kernel
#

Same

mellow yoke
#

and myth book from vault

coarse kernel
#

Not same

mellow yoke
#

so im kinda set for trinkets unless i get brand

wise mirage
#

hello

lofty warren
#

Is there a way to open the flood gates in floodgate? Usually i just have to clear mobs without environmental damage killing enemies

lusty grotto
#

pepega is full pepega'ing

#

full ass

#

not half ass

sinful stone
lofty warren
#

Ok that one was a funny question ill admit

lusty grotto
#

it will be high when everything else is stacked

#

when it comes to mastery

#

thats how sims go

mellow yoke
#

i have actually depleted so much keys today

wise mirage
#

I am having issues doing dmg with prot warrior not sure if I am doing something wrong? Saw another warrior tank of course he had a lot more gear and 4set but he was pumping deeps
Isnt the aoe rotation basically spam clap and shield slam to get thunder procs?

mellow yoke
#

its unreal

mellow yoke
azure crag
#

....you know, I was kinda wondering why it felt like the party was getting murdered a lot there.

wise mirage
#

I only have 2s

mellow yoke
#

1.13B with 881k hps

wise mirage
#

was talking about m+ and no I dont think I got logs not sure if they even get logged

azure crag
#

this was a 10 gambit

mellow yoke
#

how long did it take

lusty grotto
#

well a log can help us identify what youre doing wrong

azure crag
#

24 minutes

coarse kernel
mellow yoke
#

huh

lusty grotto
#

but also you cant really compare yourself to other warriors, gear is a big one, especially weapon for dps

#

i guess the best you can do is check if you have the same ilvl weapon or something comparable

#

and check if your breakdown is similar

wise mirage
#

I know but I am also having issues holding aggro in big pulls vs some dps

lusty grotto
#

but logs are provide all that info + more

wise mirage
#

prob gear difference but when they pump like 15-20mil I cant hold aggro

lusty grotto
#

yeah well more damage = more agro

coarse kernel
#

Someone else already said it, but a ton of your damage comes from 4-set

#

Are you playing Colossus?

wise mirage
#

thane

lusty grotto
#

he has agro issues

jagged gust
#

specifically 4set for thane, thane is kinda cheeks before 4 set

lusty grotto
#

while i would say go colossus

#

if he has agro issues

#

thats just gonna get worse

#

even if he does more dps as colossus

coarse kernel
#

That’s why I was asking

lusty grotto
#

we need logs

lofty warren
#

Mt has more frequent tb though?

wise mirage
#

I can log a +9 that Im doing in a min

#

what program do you guys use to log?

#

or addon

frosty mango
#

There’s only one

lusty grotto
wise mirage
lusty grotto
#

but people use different ones

jagged gust
#

I know someone has the copy/paste for logging, is it luerce?

lusty grotto
#

bigwigs, dbm, loggerhead or w/e, mrt also does it

#

all of those can log

frosty mango
wise mirage
#

does that mean it logs?

frosty mango
#

That should walk you through the entire process

lusty grotto
#

it has to auto enable it

#

just go through the guide

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

and replace whatever addon they use with yours, and thats it

#

you will need the WCL uploader though, thats required

lofty warren
#

I sometimes hold aoe ability if I know mobs about to spawn but only for a few seconds

wise mirage
#

Enabled it in the options and wrote /combatlog so I'm good to go?

lusty grotto
#

ok

#

follow

#

the

#

guide

#

walking you through entire process is gonna be a job

wise mirage
#

I did

#

....

#

I am just doing it the manual way

lusty grotto
#

why

wise mirage
#

since I am not logging a lot anyway

frosty mango
#

There is no manual way

lusty grotto
#

ok then, i guess

wise mirage
#

I meant manual with /combatlog in the chat since addons just take that for you no?

frosty mango
#

There’s many ways to actually collect the log from the game - the guide walks through the process of loading it to wcl

lofty warren
#

Is it wrong to hold aoe ability if you know enemy mobs gonna spawn in 2-3 sec? I sometimes have a crisis for those few bc it's something I ca push and actuay am not

wise mirage
#

I will do that once I am finished with the dungeon 👍

undone beacon
lusty grotto
#

meh idk

undone beacon
#

@lusty grotto The vaunted bear vault. Kinda ass this week ngl

lusty grotto
#

lily is okay but 1:30 for DH is 🤷‍♂️

#

its probably the pick either way

wise mirage
#

is there a benefit in any key to swap from thane to the other one?

undone beacon
#

Thinkin im gonna take the boots and craft like, idk a neck or something

wise mirage
#

or is thane just better once you get 4piece

#

I see ty

undone beacon
#

I'm using it on my warr rn over any other neck ive gotten

lusty grotto
#

yeah but i aint gonna pass on a myth lily

undone beacon
#

Oh yeah for sure, just a thought haha

undone beacon
#

Sucks that signet is super mid for bear, and i have a 620 Adrenal belt already crafted so

lusty grotto
#

i guess DH gets 2nd crafted weapon this week

wary ermine
#

astral antennae or ritual mud

lusty grotto
#

since it has no myth tracks

wary ermine
#

i dun wanna sim i just want opinions

lusty grotto
#

LOL

#

okay

#

i think yogurt is overrated

wary ermine
#

okay well now i don't even want your opinion on the trinkets

lusty grotto
#

also that there's only one real way to cook red meat

#

and that's medium

#

everything else is a sham

wary ermine
#

okay I'm calling the police on you as we speak

frosty mango
#

Wat

dusky canopy
#

Repent!!

undone beacon
#

All meat should be consumed raw ala liver king

frosty mango
#

Who eats red meat past medium rare

lusty grotto
frosty mango
#

I made sous vide filets last night, 143 perfect medium rare

lusty grotto
#

medium rare is good

frosty mango
#

Espec on sandos

wary ermine
#

hmmm

#

antennae does have double useage with fury

#

hmmmm

lusty grotto
#

anything that does not have "medium" in its name is a farce

frosty mango
#

Made the garlic aioli, the spicy chimichurri, carmelized onions, fresh French bread

dusky canopy
wary ermine
#

but fury does suck right now

#

hmmmm

frosty mango
#

Wat

#

Bro your takes are wild

dusky canopy
#

Fury cranks

lusty grotto
#

you had me at chimichurri

frosty mango
#

Is this a pepega alt

wary ermine
#

im just trying to match Nim's takes

dusky canopy
lusty grotto
#

well then

frosty mango
dusky canopy
undone beacon
#

Flood #-1, congrats

frosty mango
#

You were close tho

wary ermine
#

so wut u think roid

#

ritual mud or antennae

frosty mango
lusty grotto
#

ahem im just gonna casually click pacemaker and hopefully my guild's officers dont take notice

#

"bad fury trinket"

#

dont care, picking it

wary ermine
#

eff it ill just go with antennae

dusky canopy
#

Ain’t no way they tell you what you are allowed to choose from your vault!?

frosty mango
dusky canopy
#

Are they top 50 world??

frosty mango
#

The absorb diff is very small bt mythic and heroic so id take antenna

dusky canopy
#

Curious

frosty mango
#

Bc heroic mud is farmable

wary ermine
#

thx babycakes

lusty grotto
#

but your mom is clearly #5

dusky canopy
#

Ayye true lol

lusty grotto
#

so dont worry

undone beacon
#

Take sockets

#

easy

#

thats like 3k gold

dusky canopy
#

My moms #1

#

Fact check

lusty grotto
#

ima sim for fury just in case...

#

i need receipts

wary ermine
#

now i still gotta get that 4th pc for 4pc 🙁

lunar flare
#

Does anyone know where to get a fractured spark for this week before reset? I did the phase diving thing but I didn't get one

wary ermine
#

hopefully delve bounty with give me one of those

lusty grotto
#

and/or timewalking

lunar flare
#

Some +1s? Some 1s makes it sound sinister

#

Someones what

dusky canopy
#

2s or bust

lusty grotto
#

true

lunar flare
#

Ok 2s

lusty grotto
#

some 3

lunar flare
#

For you guys

lusty grotto
#

3somes

wary ermine
#

can u get tier from timewalking?

lusty grotto
#

no

wary ermine
#

rip

lunar flare
#

Brann Bronzebear

wary ermine
#

when does the curio vendor release

lusty grotto
#

good bye my sweet countdown

undone beacon
#

Ran a ST droptimizer sim on bear and forgot I was in Elunes Chosen, turns out breaking my 4pc is a dps increase kek

wary ermine
#

or is that like a .5 or .7 patch release

lusty grotto
#

lilly might have not been the pick

lusty grotto
#

well its hist fault for being the dumb shit spec

#

im disowning you Pash

neon elk
#

Yo bear isnt that shit

lusty grotto
#

i meant elune

lusty grotto
#

but

#

it applies

undone beacon
#

Elunes Chosen is that shit for ST esp tho

neon elk
#

Ik

#

Just wanted to add some salt into woud

lusty grotto
#

lmao raidbots doesnt want me to pick anything for fury

lusty grotto
#

i guess we're pacemaking it

#

i got the receipts

#

wait ima wait for raid just in case we get 4 brand drops

round pendant
#

buggy ass dawnbreaker

#

mistimed a key by 5 seconds

#

i can't

solid sun
#

If you get 4 brand drops you’ll definitely need to send a pic and tag all the non brand havers that have been pinging you every Tuesday

silk sandal
#

maybe a silly question but how do i prio execute in raid? The wowhead guide says to prio it behind shield slam, thunder blast/thunder clap. But in a lot of these (mythic) fights I am either shield slam or thunder clap/blasting almost every global during execute. But when I look at logs I end up being 40-50 execute casts behind top damage logs. It seems like the only way I can make up those casts is by prioing execute above regular shield slams and thunderclaps

round pendant
#

random mob aggro'd at the start, was bolting people from the start to the first boss

#

from across the map

#

couldn't get threat on it, random evasion and LoS

lusty grotto
#

you need rage to execute

undone beacon
#

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE turns out the simulations are just broken and EC's tier isnt even being simmed, poggers

lusty grotto
#

thats why they are higher prio

#

because they generate rage

silk sandal
#

sounds good

#

i guess i was assuming it would say that haha

lunar flare
silk sandal
#

thanks

lusty grotto
#

clearly a marvel of dungeon design

dusky canopy
#

I have never fallen through the ship!

round pendant
#

then the rogue starts shit talking my friend who died to the BUGGED MOB BOLTING HIM a few times

dusky canopy
lunar flare
lusty grotto
lunar flare
#

One does not simply not fall through the ship

lusty grotto
#

the best one yet is this season

#

where you mount

round pendant
#

then on the final boss the rogue just drops the web on the middle of everyone

#

kills 3 people

lusty grotto
#

and just immediately fly through to the bridge

round pendant
#

and I say bruh you fucked that and he throws a fit

#

5 seconds over time

lunar flare
undone beacon
lunar flare
lusty grotto
#

you should have clipped that shit lmaooo

dusky canopy
undone beacon
#

This is what we call, very upsetting

lusty grotto
undone beacon
lunar flare
#

The best part is they bring the dungeon back and all the bugs are still there

sinful tree
#

i've been playing prot since this game exists and i find myself struggling a lot in +12/13 keys this season, can't remember this happening before.
I have frequent issues with threat with melees in the group, sometimes they manage to pull aggro on mobs even seconds after pull and I don't really understand how that can be possible.
And I'm having trouble maintaining shield block properly, either because it's simply expiring and cd is still pending or because I'm rage starving and it takes 2 GCDs to get enough rage for shield block which feels awful.
Feels very stressful. Am I doing something wrong or am I finally becoming too old to be good at this game 👴

lunar flare
#

Could be your opener needs some work?

undone beacon
#

They just... fly away

dusky canopy
#

Man that edit came in clutch

lunar flare
#

Hahaha

dusky canopy
#

I had a good one for you

lunar flare
#

I saw it and was like

#

QUICK

sinful tree
lunar flare
#

Up in the air...GONE

undone beacon
#

Its not in the clip but like 10 seconds later the curseblades snap back... the caster never does

sinful tree
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
#

also whats your weapon ilvl

#

and do you have 4pc? cause if so you should be thane yes

#

anything less than 4pc, you go colossus

sinful tree
#

wep is 704 which isn't that good indeed. Got 4pc

lusty grotto
#

go thane

#

craft a weapon

sinful tree
#

I'll give it a try

lusty grotto
#

your talents

#

are weird

#

thats not any one of our builds

sinful tree
#

what would you say is wrong?

lusty grotto
#

you shouldnt be BrV as colossus

#

nor TL

#

nor LS

#

either way

#

youre swapping to thane

#

grab a build from our guides

#

wowhead or icyveins

sinful tree
#

aight cheers mate will do

undone beacon
#

So demanding jeez

lunar flare
#

You will swap, and you will enjoy it

sinful tree
#

been playing MT S1

undone beacon
dusky canopy
#

vault soon just logged 😄

undone beacon
#

thane time

lusty grotto
#

colossus doesnt play SD either

sinful tree
#

but now I like my occasional big boy colossus damage

#

haha

lusty grotto
#

it plays bloodborne, cause tier buffs bleeds

undone beacon
#

too bad colossus is small boy compared to big thane

#

top 10 secrets big thane doesnt want you to know

#

#1: Colossus was BDK in PTR in AoE

lusty grotto
#

that is a cursed colossus build to be sure

lusty grotto
#

either way

#

thane is the way with 4pc

undone beacon
#

I'll thane ur way

lunar flare
#

You know what they say

#

Once you go thane

lusty grotto
#

if you need bsv, you swap out massacre

#

the push build isnt for 12s or 13s

#

its for way higher

undone beacon
#

I really need to start making my own shitter gifs because Tenor is terrible. This is the top result for "Mountain Thane" smh

wary ermine
#

BOOOOO

#

got boots from hidden trove

lusty grotto
#

whats wrong with them

lunar flare
#

You never go back

next pasture
#

when did antenna go into S tier on the gear page lol

wary ermine
#

i need chest or shoulders for catalyst

lusty grotto
#

then farm 7s

#

idk

wary ermine
#

yeah i know

#

im just upset i didnt get one of those from hidden trove 🙁

#

i already have soul hunter boots so those are useless anyways

lusty grotto
#

what track

#

because if they arent hero

wary ermine
#

hero

lusty grotto
#

ok

wise mirage
#

does this work

undone beacon
#

Man, sims want me to convert myth chest to tier and use non-tier myth shoulders, feels weird but

lofty warren
undone beacon
#

I look unfavorably upon AI art but it is an option

lusty grotto
#

not the push build

#

you do not need the push build for a 9

#

craft a shield

#

your CPM is very low

#

on everything

#

that means youre sleeping on pressing abilitiies

#

youre doing WAYYYYYYY

#

WAYYYYYYYYYYY TOO MANY IPs

#

you have almost 200 more casts than i do on my pacemaker farms and i only did 11s for those

#

because nobody does 11s and i get picked instantly

#

4pc will help though

#

2pc might be holding you back from TB resets

#

not might, more like is holding you back

#

so i guess the tl;dr is

#
  1. get 4pc
  2. dont press IP that much, use it on revenge or execute, IP only at 70+ rage
  3. run the vault build, not the push build (you should only run that build in 16+)
#

also maintain your SB and craft yourself a shield

#

number needs to as close to 100% as you possibly can

#

so 90% min

tame knoll
#

How easily does warrior handle mythic nexus king solo soaks in p1?

undone beacon
lusty grotto
#

well they do have a 701 shield <-- this doesnt really matter

#

so it could be

#

that being said they only procced BSV 2 times

nocturne spindle
#

idk if i would say the IP casts is too much

lusty grotto
#

not trying to diss but that shield is holding them back a lot

nocturne spindle
#

thats just like rage dump territory still

#

i had like 16 cpm of IP just doing rage dump with the push build lol

lusty grotto
#

look at resources

#

they are starving themselves

#

but also its probably a symptom of running a 701 shield not maintaining SB

#

eh

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but we tanked those with a 680 shield so

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yeah they are just casting way too much IP

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pretty easy to see in resources

minor lark
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Tempted to use my craft this week on a belt. Already have the bis wrists and I still need a belt thet isn't the DISC

mellow yoke
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how did i check my blocked hits again

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in WC logs

lusty grotto
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damage taken

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hover over any blockable hit

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melee is a good indicator

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if you need to know whether a hit is blockable, check the sheet

mellow yoke
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what's a good

lusty grotto
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90%+

mellow yoke
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% of blocked hits

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on average

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damn

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on my 16 fg i did just 73

lusty grotto
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could be back hits

steep pivot
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i need to start loggin so i can check that... on details i cant see that, only buuff uptime of shield block but i cant even reach 80% (and i got decent haste)

mellow yoke
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that is worse

lusty grotto
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if you compare with aura buff time

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and aura buff time is higher

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its 100% back hits

mellow yoke
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im waiting for my

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16 arakara

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to upload

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so i can check that too

lusty grotto
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aura uptime will most likely be higher anyway, but if the disparity is large its a good indicator

mellow yoke
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do i have to wait for parses to lock in

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or