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wispy moth
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I saw some warriors take it, others doesnt even in 17+ so I wonder why most of guides told us to take it after this thoughts

iron spade
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Cheat Death is better overall, imo.

wispy moth
# iron spade Cheat Death is better overall, imo.

IMO depends on key. Where I know I can face fatal damage like OvO or priory i'll take it, otherwise I prefer more dps.
Last season many ppl told me in lower 15 you dont need BSV if you're playing well. If BSV proc, it was a mistake x) and in my case, the only times BSV procced is when I didnt cast SB so, this is true

jagged pier
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they are taking EA

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instead of shield spec

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which makes 0 sense

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having 5% more hp and 2% more haste versus taking 16% less damage from the main source of damage u take

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you tell which is better

wispy moth
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If it was 16% flat DR, sure everybody shall take it

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And I always played with EA but same here, dunno if it's a really good talent to take when warrior arn't tanking with HP and 2% flat haste when you're above 45% naturally isnt very efficient

jagged pier
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i dont know where your seeing this stats in game, I get block chance thats it

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but always u should never actuall trust stats your looking at in the open world

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because they get effected by pvp etc

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like if u take armour off block chance goes up or somthing dumb like that

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thats for pvp

wispy moth
atomic sparrow
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@jagged pier the point is, if you upgrade a piece of gear because it has a little bit more primary stat but secondary stats are garbage it can have some sense of the upgrade is big, all the time we are told that primary stat is the best. So that's my question about trinkets that have secondary or primary fix stats. I haven't SIM my character in years I try me gear on dummies or just asses the performance through Details.

wispy moth
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I saw them in character stats, defensive panel got a "block stats" including blocking value (scale with shield, mastery and talents) with a percentage block value

jagged pier
wispy moth
jagged pier
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its open world sclaing too

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its all dumb

wispy moth
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Okok good to know then

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Thx, i'll try to figure it out in instance

atomic sparrow
# jagged pier thats the worst way to test anything

For example the gem that provides +181 primary stat and 0.15% critical in my opinion is not mandatory at all, and I don't think it evens my improve your DPS in 0.2% , because the same rule applies here than with the trinkets, you can just equip better gems that provide you with the stat you need more and might see more gains.

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Because it is not critical strike chance that it provides is damage bonus. Which is ridiculous

jagged pier
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hence why we have always said run the movement spped gem

stuck basin
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im always going for the 2% movespeed version per color

jagged pier
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bis lists are literally just what set of gear sims highest out of all gear u can obtain

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that gem will always sim highest so its always shown

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but gear is very much per char

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which is why u sim

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because it tells you whats best for yoru char

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you testing dumbies yourself has too much variance and not enough data to give u a solid result

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sims literally give u millions of iterations

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and very accurate

lilac ingot
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Why do we have a macro for ignore pain + Shield slam, but not the same for Shield block + Shield slam?

jagged pier
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u can it will snipe SS resets too

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as long as u still have the SS keybind on its own your fine

little lark
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i am always confused by the meta gem, which doesnt show up in 90% of my sims except i force it to. And when i force it to it always only uses one color auf the gems. Either its weird ti sim or not that good afterall

little lark
atomic sparrow
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Tome of Light's Devotion, 694 ilvl trinket provides 3000 critical strike during the 50 verses thing and when the we make use of it provides twice crit over 15 seconds. In total it might be around 1m uptime or so over a 1m 30s cd at a glance. So I cannot understand why in guides on internet etc say this trinket is S tier like the best. Unlike Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker or similar trinkets that provide 6600 strength fix stat and crazy critical strike effects

lilac ingot
regal yarrow
strong forum
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not 16% flat

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16% effective

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if you have 50% block value, you go to 58% => which is a 16% increase

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if it was FLAT 16% OH MY GOD that would be turbo broken

dusty jetty
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hey guys anyone have tips on heroic salhadaar? we just started tonight and im gettin blasted, idk how the vanquish order works

strong forum
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its random

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4 casts

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you taunt swap after every cast, and make sure to never take the same hit twice

dusty jetty
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so are we expected to just taunt every one?

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ok

strong forum
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both tanks need to be alert on that one

wispy moth
# strong forum if it was FLAT 16% OH MY GOD that would be turbo broken

Yeah thats why I was asking why sme ppl dont take it and when I look at the value in stats, I understand why it wasnt THAT broken xD
And so, is it really worth to go from ~35% block value to ~40% ?
Actually i'm looking for swapping my mastery for versa, it seems doing almost the same thing so I preferr use the talent point into something more useful like more DPS in lower key. Maybe when i'll hit 15+ i'll swap back to this one

strong forum
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16% less damage taken is 16% less damage taken

wispy moth
strong forum
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if it was FLAT it would be way more than 16% actual dmg taken

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its 16% less damage taken for blockable hits

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which is still GIGANTIC

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also block and armor gets better the more you have of it

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best example is

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going from 98% damage reduction to 99%

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is literally a 50% increase in damage reduction

wispy moth
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Yeah ok I understand

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Always better to speak with someone who did the guides xD

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And so, I wonder why many ppl dont take this ?

dusty jetty
wispy moth
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Looking for more dps ?

strong forum
wispy moth
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Same for Kira ?

strong forum
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its dumb

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nothing less

wispy moth
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Didnt know that he followed somebody else

strong forum
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"yeah block is strong, so lets make it weaker and get some random ass talent instead"

wispy moth
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But ok, i'll give it a try. I'll test it over few keys to see difference

strong forum
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dont think youll be properly able to notice a difference

wispy moth
wispy moth
strong forum
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yeh

wispy moth
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Ppl lies, not number

strong forum
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facts

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👏

fluid widget
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Why does yoda not listen or check on facts

strong forum
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they just feelycraft and go by details numbers from what ive seen

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and thats about it

wispy moth
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I wouldnt notice it maybe, during big pull my life always does yoyo things but in logs I can see how many the DR is worth and how many dps I loss maybe (depends on talents i'll switch out)

strong forum
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cant fault them for that, theyre also just people

fluid widget
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Had an argument with someone saying that yoda knows better because he pushes higher keys despite reason why his build is t as good

wispy moth
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Maybe they just want to go brain off and just spam execute

fluid widget
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Shits frustrating

wispy moth
strong forum
jagged pier
strong forum
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every sport/game has coaches and analysts

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except m+ players

wide cosmos
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hey guys after crafting bracers, what's next? have weapon and shield

wispy moth
wispy moth
strong forum
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oh yeh nah i mean

wispy moth
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After, depend on your actual gear

strong forum
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lol has analysts and coaches

wispy moth
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Ah yes

strong forum
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and theyre consulted etc

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except wow m+

wispy moth
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For sure this is something missing in m+

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We have it for raiding if you're playing at good lvl

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I'm doing it by myself but i'm a piss low player and dont have time xD

wispy moth
jagged pier
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i remeber someone linked yodas, build and said he said it was the highest damage build

indigo hawk
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We see a lot of Time pro player in lol building really strange and not optimal item Even if they got analist on their team

strong forum
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yah like wow, and especially tanking requires a lot of effort on your own end to learn

jagged pier
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while missing a fair few dps talents

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like brah

strong forum
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a lot of tanking, which has nothing to do with the class itself, comes from experience

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so you can be a great tank

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but still do dumb shit with the class

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much like in league, macro and micro gaming has in itself not much to do with the champion youre palying

jagged pier
strong forum
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map awareness, wave management

fluid widget
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Yeah it’s a pretty interesting concept

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The strength is the experience

strong forum
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so you can be the highest rated tank in the world, but still be a bad warrior/bear/vdh etc etc

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cuz it aint class knowledge that gets you there

wispy moth
# jagged pier

Greatest words from on of the most underestimate philosopher

strong forum
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its hours and meta knowledge (not group setup meta, but how to play the dungeon, what to do where, what to pull, how to position, how to enable your group etc etc )

fluid widget
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Also is pulling a gargoyle into first HoA boss a common strat?

strong forum
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ye

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cuz first boss does very little on its own

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so people pull packs extra into it

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to gain time

wispy moth
# strong forum but still do dumb shit with the class

I've seen, while I was mythic raider, many ppl very good in executive input, smart, able to quickly adapt and overcome but when it came for analysis, theorycrafting or whatever including intelligence they were the most dumbass shit ever seen xD Just copying what it works most and not further

fluid widget
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I saw that for the 2nd and 3rd, was worried about the knockback and the fear circle

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But was forced into cause boomie

indigo hawk
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So for you the execute build for m+ is not optimal ?

wispy moth
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A good tank know his routes, what mob does to him and know how to adapt his rythm and pull speed on his team comp

wispy moth
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For pushing in very high key you'll prefer survivability. If you want to clean fast, you can go for exec build

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I tried it in 10 gambit yesterday, cleaned it in 17min without the best comp and the best dps ever seen. Was 3rd in dps meter overall

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But in 13 and more i'll not run with it. Maybe the execute in cleave but prefer to have BSV and shield spec than 35% exec and exec dmg

toxic gyro
wispy moth
toxic gyro
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And I’m sorry Nomeratur

wispy moth
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Many ppl asked the same thing everyday, I think it's OK

full mist
# wispy moth If it was 16% flat DR, sure everybody shall take it

I’m away from my computer, but I’m pretty sure the talent gives you 16% more block (the stat) not a flat +16% to block chance. You’ll have to ~40% block from stats depending on gear but there is also DR so the 16% increased block stat is like 4-6% block chance.

jagged pier
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just also note, for the whole block thing, ppl may say that they are doing it because magic/bleed damage etc is the problem. So just think why then make blocking weakier because that means your IP now has to eat more bloackable damage and will be less efeective against magic/bleed damage

wispy moth
wispy moth
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I saw some MT warrior played with fueled by violence. In which case it can be more effective than the IP talent?

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I understand why in colossus but in MT?

jagged pier
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that makes 0 sense

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cause BrV is insanely strong on thane

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and as we dont buff bleeds as Thane FbV is dudu

strong forum
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im in general a bigger fan of BrV, ive survived stuff way longer with BrV as thane than with FbV

jagged pier
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there is a point where u just cant keep IP up, at thatpoint FbV has a case because it will do something

wispy moth
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Yeah OK that's what I thought too

strong forum
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new BrV works in those environments aswell

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as you can get a max stacked IP with just 1 use

wispy moth
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Yzah

mellow bridge
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new brv do be nice

strong forum
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so idk i always feel safer with BrV

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especially low target counts

wispy moth
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And fbv means you lost hp, so..... There is a mistake if war is losing hp haha

strong forum
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exaactly

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FbV also cannibalizes other sources of healing, passive hots from healer, leech

wispy moth
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Maybe fbv is more effective in very large pull? But overall, larger pull means more rage so more IP cast etc etc

wispy moth
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I've seen only 2 or 3 warrior on warcraftlog running with this so maybe it was just a test

strong forum
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at the end of the day its also not HUGELY impactful

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not impactful enough*

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some people prefer 1 over the other, for their own reasons

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i can only give my thought-process/recommendation

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what people end up doing is their own shtuff

little lark
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When doing dangerous content (which i didnt do much of yet on my pwarr xD) i felt that IP was getting eaten very fast, even with BrV. That made me contemplate if i want to try FbV for better sustain. But thats also very feelycrafty and i dont know how much healing FbV even does

strong forum
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yeah but if it gets eaten fast

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wouldnt it also be kinda nice to, have to up more

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instead of less

wispy moth
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Maybe i'm just applying my work on wow x)

worthy lava
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out of curiosity is doingrainbow gems close enough to magrin of error to justify using the movement speed meta gem? technically my sim wants me to regem mastery/haste but moving like a tortoise instead of snail while holding w seems more appealing

strong forum
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crit gem is giga bait

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movspeed gem is actually doing something

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and gems itself are minor

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so theres no harm in rainbow gemming

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all stats are good

worthy lava
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(i usually don't even run a meta gem because i forget they exist)

wispy moth
little lark
toxic gyro
lunar flare
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I'm gonna need a master list of all these acronyms

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Reading through being like "what is brv" "what is fbv"

fluid widget
strong forum
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it didnt used to in s1, havent checked since then

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i heard smth about it being fixed in s2 but i never confirmed

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i just run it by default

little lark
toxic pewter
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fast footwork def stacks with the gem

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just went from 116 to 121 as a test

strong forum
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this has acronyms listed for most if not all abilities; those that we do abbreviate

fluid widget
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Damn good to know I may switch from crit gem

wispy moth
lunar flare
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Yeah if you're not knee-deep in theorycrafting like a lot of people here are none of this makes sense, would be helpful to have a list in the Discord as a pin so I don't have to trawl through a thesis-length page on Wowhead to begin to understand the context

strong forum
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😅

wispy moth
# strong forum 😅

I heard he insult your job and your mom ZOOMEReyes
(jokes obviously, thanks for what you've done)

lunar flare
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Oh obviously the work is good, that's not the problem and I appreciate the time it takes to build it all

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But too much information is a huge issue in this game generally across the board

wispy moth
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Yup but I understand your need and I think it'll be a good help for sure

strong forum
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yah

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wow is an amalgamation of years and years of experience when it comes to end game content

neon elk
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Im just glad we have 2 guides that make sense unlike some other classes

wispy moth
wispy moth
lunar flare
wispy moth
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And got many informations sources, with many ppl able to answer questions and not being insulting or just looking above you

lunar flare
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And generally I find this Discord to be less aggressive than others

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I feel I can ask a superbly braindead question here and still get an answer without being insulted

jagged pier
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i can change that

lunar flare
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Yes I was about to mention unless you pop up HEHE

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Jokes

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I love all my protbros

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Especially that N64 hater guy

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What's his name

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Yogi or something

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I love that dude

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He is objectively the prot channel's USP

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Fuck I used an acronym, I am everything I hate

little lark
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I as not a native speaker am offended by your excessive use of acronyms that dont make sense in my native language!

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(jk)

wispy moth
fluid widget
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It’s a solid discord

wispy moth
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I was used t be active on moonkin, warlock, DH and enhsham back in long time, it was pretty cool in my memories

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Overall I dont feel there is any bad discord class ? Maybe pal since they closed it and mage but, who cares about mages really

mellow bridge
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*ret

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2/3 specs are innocent

toxic gyro
worthy lava
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ngl one of the worst experiences i had was around late legion/early bfa when the DH discords were still divided and one of the vdh mods just always answered "we're the theorycrafters just do what we say. the 'why' doesn't matter so we dont publish it". that's paraphrasing a bit since it was so long ago

wispy moth
# mellow bridge *ret

They didnt closed the whole discord ? I was thinking that ret (or rat) has made the whole class' downfall xD

worthy lava
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also now my sim wants me to drop haste and go for vers weapon enchant. i don't wanna i like my haste D:

wispy moth
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Maybe it was during argus ? I was less active in this season

worthy lava
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it might not have been a very long time but one that has just stuck with me through the years

wispy moth
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Okok maybe it's right, many ppl with a bit of power made very bad decisions

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And that's why we're hiring ppl able to manage other ppl 😄

worthy lava
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i want to say it was sometime late(ish) legion because i remember a video the guy put out instead of some actual information talking while hitting the tank dummy in the DH class hall speaking very feelycrafty

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around the time spirit bomb got it's huge rework to do giga damage

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or that might have been around nighthold. it's been too long

wispy moth
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Ha yes 7.2 with mage tower I remember well this rework

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Before rework, mage tower were impossible as vdh, they rework how spirit bomb work, one shot it without a'u difficulties. Did gul'dan hm after this, ended up in 2nd place in dps meter x)

worthy lava
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ok before i crash out for the night there are some pull scenarios in dungeons i seem to be fucking up lately though i've tried a couple of different things. it could entirely be a skill issue but the area in ecodome following the first boss with the phaseblade packs just seem to aggravate me because i can heroic throw one, shield charge the other into a thunder clap and they just decide to go on a magical journey to hit someone in my group. am i missing something painfully obvious? there are some other times where on pull threat is an issue but they're more like shamans saying "im gonna ascend the second i see the tank charge"

wispy moth
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Frm what i've seen and experienced, unless you're stunning or rooting them, they immediatly shadow step one ally and coming back to you due to aggro

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Dunno if there is a way to avoid that

worthy lava
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yeah a friend of mine plays bdk and he tries to drop dnd under them on pull but they insta step to someone else but at least he can grip them back

wispy moth
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As warprot, this is one of the most annoying pack. We're struggling to gather mobs but they made them bink xD

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Even spear cant hold them off

steep pivot
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good morning gamers, are we talking about those mounted lizards from eco dome? i think group must be stacked so they dont spread up blinkin around

worthy lava
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yeah thankfully most pulls are pretty fine to do. though some pulls in floodgate and HoA also give me heartburn because of how spread everything is

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no the phaseblade mobs that blink the moment they enter combat

elfin elk
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The casters and rangers in HoA are awful

worthy lava
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this may be a terrible take but there are those few times i just kinda wish heroic throw was just made into titanic throw when it went away

strong forum
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titanic throw was giga fun

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but also terrible at the same time

worthy lava
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agreed. i wish it also let you use the glyph so you could throw 5 frying pans at things

empty path
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hey, I'm back in brown tank bussines after some deserved wow break...
speaking about HoA.
it seems old invis skip to 2nd boss is not worth anymore due of %, like it was in SHL ?
Are we pulling gargoyles or we want to avoid them ? they are not big deal, but pretty annoying from my perspective....
I usually start route with right shard...what is yours ways through this instance ?

solid sun
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The first pull I’ve found most common is taking the pat and two anime runners to the left with the mobs around the first shard and the shard with lust

worthy lava
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ig something like this is a hold W route i do

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tame locust
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Protect me

solid sun
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You can also back track to the right instead of that route but I don’t like it as much

worthy lava
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yeah but i think it just really comes down to them removing a lot of the flexibility in the key

fluid widget
strong forum
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priest is also split

indigo hawk
worthy lava
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do i provide a disclaimer of make your own adjustments and split/merge pulls to fit your group in case something goes wrong? lol

mellow yoke
worthy lava
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the reavers?

mellow yoke
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yy

worthy lava
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you could, im just a weenie and don't like the mortal strikes

mellow yoke
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they really shouldn't be a problem

warm plinth
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Plus basically every group is going to expect you to pull them and isn't it kinda tight trying to skip them with the gargoyle on one side and the middle pack on the other? Plus you have both a patrol pack and a patrolling slasher in that area that can easily cause chaos with limited space

worthy lava
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you're not wrong and you absolutely could.

mellow yoke
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and pulling the little mobs into 2nd boss is kinda hard

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since they could pull the gargoyles

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not something I would do with pugs

worthy lava
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like i said you can split and merge to whatever you want to do

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i've never had them run down as far as the gargoyles myself because that's pretty far

mellow yoke
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i meant on your way up

worthy lava
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idk why i was tyring to type out examples but hey if doing triple reaver without casters in pull 9 and then keepers with pull 10 instead is better for you (and maybe ill give that a shot too) go for it

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in which case i guess you'd swap garg in pull 4 for the patrol near stairs ig

steep pivot
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i got it!!

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its single target trinked?

untold minnow
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guys i just reflect some thing at tanking cast at araz boss

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what is reflect /deflected

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is it one tik of damage of that cast?

steep pivot
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hey, do i bind that tome with busrt?

torn gulch
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you never bind tome with anything else you just keep it in swordmode as much as possible

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every time it switches to shield mode you put it back in sword mode

round pendant
torn gulch
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you might need an weakaura to track both modes to know when to switch

round pendant
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prio dam

steep pivot
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nice, i noticed on wow head, that trink is good for dam, single target... but idk how it works

torn gulch
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iexplained it to you above

round pendant
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if in shield mode, press it to switch to sword mode (unless close to switching already)

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shrimple

steep pivot
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ok i shall try to maintain sword mode, it changes by itself?

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ty

round pendant
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yeah when it reaches 50 stacks it swaps

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but pressing it swaps it early and gives a stronger buff

wispy moth
wispy moth
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Every procs make you cycle one page. When you reach 50, trinket swap automatically. The trinket got an use effect who make you switch directly and give 20s buffed effect

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Try to maintain sword if you want to maximize damage but shield can be helpful in big pack too

steep pivot
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understood

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im wearing brand and tome

wispy moth
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Chad

steep pivot
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i need an 1 hander now xD

wispy moth
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Ilvl are only number, key too. Dont let capitalism overwhelm you and prove to the world you can do big with less 🗿

steep pivot
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imm new as prot, i need all the help i can get xD

wispy moth
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jokes aside, the real help you need is the practice you do. Play, learn from your experiences

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This is what it will really help

steep pivot
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shield block uptime less than ignore pain... every dungeon i play i do that, and im spammin this shield block

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this is prio 11 i just did

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fallen marlin
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You need haste cap so you can have your shild block 95% +

mellow yoke
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how much haste

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r u running

fallen marlin
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I am new on prot too,we need alot of practice i guess

steep pivot
wispy moth
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Dont compare SB uptime with IP.
Does SB's uptime is less than 90% ? Yes : there is a problem. Otherwise, not necesseraly.
Have you got 20-25k haste ? No : Then dont run ITF (into the fray) talent, swapt to Heavy Repercussion
When you "spam" shield block, you mean on CD ? Then there is a problem because you cant go beyond 18s uptime and so maybe waste some CD here
Do you shield charge on cd ? No ? It gives free SB uptime, you have to press it on CD

steep pivot
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ive never tanked before, so gameplay wise is new to me... im used to play arms

wispy moth
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You've got enough haste to take ITF and manage 85%+ SB uptime

steep pivot
wispy moth
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You have to shield charge on cd, track your shield block buff time to be sure you dont overcap it

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Have you got some logs to analyze ?

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Your damage seems right

steep pivot
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other guy says it stacks... so now i dont mind i just press it and the timer adds

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or im losing something

wispy moth
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Its stack

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But only 3 times max

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So, 18s max

steep pivot
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yes, ill log things out

steep pivot
wispy moth
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Can you share your talent build ?

steep pivot
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i know its for low keys

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wispy moth
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If you want to learn your limits, maybe trade both execute talent for more defensive talent and change ITF into HR to manage a better uptime

warm plinth
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You can't overcap shield block duration. It's impossible outside of maybe bloodlust with high haste. The reason you don't spam it is so you aren't wasting uptime if a pack dies or something like that

mossy yew
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Hi, I'm completely new to prot warrior and tanking in general. I'm trying right now to do the first big pull of floodgate on m0 (with 690 ilvl and 2 piece) alone - trying to survive as long as possible. Should I be able to survive that endlessly playing the spec correctly?

wispy moth
wispy moth
worthy lava
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im not advocating this or anything but i've gotten lazy while farming keys and i bound shield block to thunder clap and shield slam and haven't run into uptime issues. i know it's wrong but it feels so right to just let fate decide lmao

steep pivot
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idk if this thinkin is right, but when i press shield wall, or stoneform, soulbinder embrace(any big dr) ... i do not press shield bock, coz since we are reduncing percentage of dam, is worthless to block those melee damage, coz ill be already covered by DR

warm plinth
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I mean, it depends on how fast you kill the pack. Eventually you will get overwhelmed by the blood wound and die

wispy moth
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You always press SB

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Maybe that's why you've got bad uptime xD

steep pivot
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yes xD

warm plinth
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If you can kill the pack before you get too many stacks, then you could kill it as nothing else is particularly dangerous (assuming you stop the surveyor beams)

wispy moth
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SB = you block ALL MELEES so, directly 30% DR on the biggest damage amount in key

warm plinth
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It's not 30% DR

wispy moth
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So you can stack it up with the 40% DR from SW

wispy moth
warm plinth
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No it's not baseline 30

wispy moth
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For me it's ~40% DR

wispy moth
fallen marlin
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So the only thing we are looking for is to keep IP and SB most of the time ? Nothing elsee maters ?

round pendant
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it gives you dps too

wispy moth
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Yeah SB give you SS damage boost

wispy moth
steep pivot
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how do DR works? i mean... we got dr from defensive stance, some talents, armor... all that DR is added by percentage? isnt diferent stances of damage i mean, you press shield wall so you got 40%, but if you got cast a fire ball you would recieve 40% less dam, if you press spell reflect (only the DR) the result of first instance goes to spell reflect DR and so on?

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jesus sorry my bad english

warm plinth
# wispy moth Every wiki and any guide said this... How many it is then ?

Wikis are generally written more for classic WoW than current WoW. There is no minimum damage reduction for block; it's purely based on your block value, which is based on your shield ilevel (and then talents on top of that). How much it reduces is also based on the content you're doing. You will block different percentages in keys, open world, and raid (and even different raid difficulties).

wispy moth
warm plinth
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DR is multiplicative

round pendant
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Majority of damage you take in a key will be from mob melees, so you want to block those at all times

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never ever drop shield block because you have shield wall up

wispy moth
warm plinth
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e.g. if you have Shield Wall (40% DR) and Demo Shout (25% DR) active and you take a 100k hit, it would be 100,000 x 0.6 x 0.75 = 45,000

round pendant
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tho if you have some downtime on your shield block cause you screwed up you can throw a shield wall to save your ass

steep pivot
wispy moth
wispy moth
steep pivot
warm plinth
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Use Ignore Pain when you're above 70-80 rage and you will be fine (this will be a lot)

steep pivot
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lets say a priest press ignore pain on you, barkskin, stoneform, shield wall, demo shout, defensive stance, everything... if the math get above 100, you should recieve 0 damage right?

round pendant
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you mean pain suppression?

warm plinth
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You can't get above 100 from damage reductions

mellow yoke
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it

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does not work like that

steep pivot
mellow yoke
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for example if a mechanic does 10m dmg on you

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You get PS, thats 50% so you take 5m, but you also have defansive stance, thats another 20% off the 5m, so you take 4m

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and so on

warm plinth
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Every damage reduction will progressively be less and less and less because it's multiplicative.

steep pivot
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guys i know its very noob questions but its helping me alot, imm understanding the class

round pendant
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It approaches 0 but you'll never reach zero and there's only so many DRs you can have on you at a time

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because there's only so many DRs in the game, not that there's a cap

wispy moth
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This is a logarithmic courb

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Don't know how it spelled in English soz

mellow yoke
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so thats why it's not a good idea to overlap defansives

steep pivot
warm plinth
steep pivot
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so it will never get 100% indeed

warm plinth
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And each one would just get smaller and smaller

steep pivot
mellow yoke
wispy moth
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That's what it looks like

mellow yoke
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i dont think we need logarithmics to explain this

plush tendon
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yes we do

wispy moth
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The courb is your damage taken and in absyss is the amount of DR you're cumulating

mellow yoke
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it's not that convoluted of an mechanic

steep pivot
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im an enginner, so i liked the log ^^

plush tendon
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Warrior not only zug zug, warrior also math

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warrior very smart

wispy moth
#

BIGBRAINWAR

warm plinth
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So say it's magic damage and you use SR too. Now it's 100k x .6 x .75 x .75 = 33,750, which is a reduction of 66%, when the cumulative total would be 90% (40+25+25)

wispy moth
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Brrrrr

mellow yoke
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is the way i look at stuff

worthy lava
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tbf with a language barrier a picture probably helps

plush tendon
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you dumb dumd warrior

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me smart warrior

round pendant
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I don't think a log curve will explain this any better than simple understanding of multiplication

steep pivot
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its nice to know the specifics

wispy moth
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I'm reading like this xD

mellow yoke
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sorry, i cant do the math of how much dmg i will take during the 4 seconds swampface gives me until he hits me with the biggest tank buster ever 😭

round pendant
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just press IV the moment he hits you so it looks like you didn't take any damage

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ignorance is bliss

wispy moth
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We don't ask to do this but this is important to know how it works to get a better management in time

steep pivot
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i got some bosses that i find myself strugling a bit... first boss from prio, second boss from eco dome (it got an bleed effect)

warm plinth
#

Swampface is kind of a weird situation too because it's technically two different hits.

round pendant
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I hate swampman

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my friend struggles to heal it for some reason

steep pivot
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now i like it coz it get bubbles

plush tendon
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its a healer fight

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but the damage pattern is so predictable

warm plinth
#

I think healers moving up in key level dont' realize that the vines themselves do noticeable damage

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So then the waves come out and people are already low from the vines

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And then the wave cast does a lot of damage and they're panicking

round pendant
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floodgate is my favourite dungeon this expansion but that fight is my least favourite

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lmao

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actually no, my least favourite was final boss of rookery

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swampface is close

worthy lava
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you see, you can also be a tank that takes no damage if you're like me and occasionally fat finger shadowmeld and watch as your friends all die

warm plinth
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Really? I slept through final boss of Rookery XD

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Literally just stand there looking pretty the whole time

round pendant
mellow yoke
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floodgate and favourite dungeon in the same sentance

steep pivot
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idk, i like floodgate, but i really liked eco dome

mellow yoke
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crazy statement

warm plinth
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That's fair. Boring fights do be boring

round pendant
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floodgate is great

warm plinth
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Floodgate is easily top 3 all time dungeons for me

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It's really good

steep pivot
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i dont like dungeons that are open air, like dawnbreaker, (prio is ok coz is straitfoward) but fly in dungeon should not be a thing

wispy moth
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Floodgates bored me, I don't want to do this anymore xD

warm plinth
#

Speaking of keys specifically*

wispy moth
#

But maybe cuz I don't like goblin stuff

wispy moth
warm plinth
#

Dawnbreaker isn't my favorite dungeon but it's alright. Ara-Kara is my least favorite this season.

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I think the first area is just horribly designed

steep pivot
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damn you are right, those spider dungeons sucks

warm plinth
#

It's fine after that for the most part but that first area is just fuckin dumb

wispy moth
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I love nerubian stuff xD

plush tendon
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Dawnbreaker without the bugs on the ships is very good

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Ara Kara can suck a nut

wispy moth
#

But yeah the first pack is a bit annoying

warm temple
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at 680 is 2m-2.7m overall dps (depending on the dg) decent or am i doing something wrong?

plush tendon
#

same with City of Threads

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and the Nerubar Palace

worthy lava
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idk about arakara. the locust swarm change to the scarab lords was kinda unnecessary

warm plinth
round pendant
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Floodgate > Priory > Eco-Dome > Cinderbrew > Stonevault > Rookery > Gambit > Darkflame Cleft > Ara-kara > Dawnbreaker > City of Threads > Wonder

warm plinth
#

Tuning wise they haven't always been great, but design-wise, I think they're awesome

round pendant
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I prob missed some

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like the non-TWW ones in previous seasons

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that I can't remember

plush tendon
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The Taz dungeons are top tier

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no cap

round pendant
#

streets is super super dull

plush tendon
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the bosses are cool

warm plinth
#

Streets has always been dull outside of the bosses

round pendant
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I like the last boss

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hate the music boss

plush tendon
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music boss is funny

round pendant
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mail is alright

plush tendon
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and its a good idea

warm plinth
#

Music boss was even more boring than it is now in the original version

plush tendon
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I love doing Taz HM though

warm plinth
#

Literally just a target dummy with music notes

round pendant
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music boss feels like an rp miniboss ngl

plush tendon
#

I actually really like the stress of no dying

solid sun
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AK and HoA are the worst two this season

wispy moth
warm plinth
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I wish they could've put the hard mode mechanic into the actual dungeon; it would've been a little more exciting haha

round pendant
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oh I forgot about halls

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halls of atonement goes after eco-dome in my list

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I like it

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easy bosses so it feels chill in pugs

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I've only done it on a 12 so far tho

wispy moth
warm plinth
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I haven't decided yet if Halls is better or worse than it was before. It's nice that they tuned down the number and strength of the obliterators and darkblades, but I find the routing in there very limited now when it was kinda free before

wispy moth
#

I do love SL DA, sad the storyline was awful and very bad power system with conduits

wispy moth
round pendant
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I didn't play in SL so

mighty valley
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It changed a lot with every seasonal affix

lyric loom
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just got my 4pc did a key and brusted 11m on one pull damn lol

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bursted*

wispy moth
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I played only s1 in SL, that was the time I quitted mythic raiding and big push M+ trying to do something good in my life and then i'm here, back again 🙃

wispy moth
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Or bwomsamdi in BFA S2

mighty valley
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Yeah routes were not very flexible with pride lmao

wispy moth
#

TWW affixes are really disapointing

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More when you know you dont have them in 12+

mighty valley
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I liked it though, denathrius negging you through the dungeon was peak

worthy lava
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bwonsamdi is probably the only affix i can legitimately say i'd want back

wispy moth
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The boost damage was peak

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ANd you can change routes to get buff on big pack or boss

warm plinth
#

Pride was the worst one though 😭

wispy moth
warm plinth
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Of that expansion I mean

mighty valley
#

S3 was fun

warm plinth
#

wait which one was the bwonsamdi one; I'm blanking

wispy moth
mellow bridge
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pride was such a good affix you just invis potted half of them bedge

warm plinth
worthy lava
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you get rushed by a billion ghosts of the things you've killed

warm plinth
#

OH

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Reaping

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Nah

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That affix was trash

worthy lava
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yeah that was the name

wispy moth
warm plinth
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Idk why people like that so much

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I was in shadowlands mode, so I didn't even think of Reaping lol

worthy lava
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it was just more fun than punishing most of the time

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also rose tinted glasses

kind urchin
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The big aoe. It was all about pad numbers

wispy moth
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It was annoying because you have to do your route depends on it and it slows you a bit the time you have to kill the pack with no bonuses, thats why pride was the same but better

warm plinth
#

I missed infested, which I'm not sad about

wispy moth
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But for reaping, i truly like the vibe

wispy moth
warm plinth
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Prideful was one key point away from being a pretty solid affix

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It just needed to stop scaling at a certain point

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If they'd capped the scaling at like +15 or something, it would've been far better

worthy lava
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infested was not fun but it was the first attempt so it gets a small pass

warm plinth
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My top 3 for seasonals are awakened, encrypted, and I guess shrouded since the rest kinda blew ass and that one was at least zero brain required

plush tendon
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missing the Bwonsamdi one

warm plinth
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No, reaping was a bad affix

plush tendon
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who didnt want dozens of ghosts running after you

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and melee was still uncapped

wispy moth
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I think, what about a bad affixe depends on what you statuate to be a good one

plush tendon
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Reaping was loads of fun

wispy moth
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As example, bfa s3 with the big skip with big n'zoth's adds, it was at same time good and bad affixe

plush tendon
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BFA S3 was the Azshara emmissary

warm plinth
#

That was S4.

plush tendon
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that SUCKED

warm plinth
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Yeah S3 was one of the worst

plush tendon
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S4 was really good

wispy moth
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Because it reimagined your route and the way you approach dungeons you made thousands times but it detroyed most of keys

plush tendon
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and made routing much better

warm plinth
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Beguiling can suck it

wispy moth
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Ah yeahS4 soz

plush tendon
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plus, you could make last boss harder

wispy moth
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azshara was so amazing I forgot her season

plush tendon
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for a time save

warm plinth
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I think it helped that the dungeon pool it was in was perfect for it

wispy moth
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S4 was good but maybe too good, the way you handle the dungeons was a bit boring, for me, at last

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Azshara was very terrible i agree

wispy moth
warm plinth
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If awakened came back today, we'd probably hate it honestly with Blizzard wanting us to kill more of the trash in a dungeon

wispy moth
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And back in time, we've got 10 dungeons for ~2 years

warm plinth
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Not a lot of opportunities to make good use of it

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Especially like...imagine it in Dawnbreaker. Where tf would you even use it XD

wispy moth
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AHHH this is this one "awakened" xD

wispy moth
worthy lava
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is it wrong that because i can't remember the specifics of most affixes that xalatath's guile wins by default

wispy moth
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Overall i truly liked TWW dungeons and coming back ones. But I'm really disapointed on how they managed affixes

warm plinth
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nah awakened would suck in today's dungeons. It was good back then because it offered ways to skip things that the average group generally wouldn't because if you fucked up after skipping, you had to rekill, whereas Awakened offered a permanent skip

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Like in dawnbreaker, what are you even going to use it to skip?

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You fly everywhere and you barely move around in those areas

shrewd grove
warm plinth
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Or Ara-Kara. You'd have at least one lieutenant in the starting area, but you can't really skip anything there

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And anything you would skip, you can just...not pull

wispy moth
# shrewd grove statuate?

Sorry, bad translation didnt thought, i wanted to say "It all depends on what you decide is good."

warm plinth
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Blizzard makes us kill so much more of the trash in dungeons now that affixes like that, or even like Wo from Encrypted, would be of very limited use

wispy moth
warm plinth
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Yeah that was my point. It was a good affix because of the dungeons that were in rotation that season. But in a different context, like today's dungeons, it would not be a good affix.

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You'd just be annoyed having to kill 2 or 3 lieutenants every dungeon and having to fight some with final boss

worthy lava
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but hey at least if we need to skip now they gave us potion of shadowmeld

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forgot the /s

warm plinth
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That's like one of the dumbest decisions Blizzard has ever made

solid sun
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I miss the portals with mini bosses

warm plinth
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Yeah it was a good time

solid sun
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Skipping the poop portions of dungeons was great

warm plinth
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Yep

wispy moth
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Yup

warm plinth
#

Like Siege being able to skip the gauntlet portions was awesome

solid sun
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Remember Kings Rest

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Skipping bridges

warm plinth
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Yeah, skipping the bridge!

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So nice

solid sun
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Those trolls that did the bleed fucked so hard lmao

warm plinth
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I was havoc that season so I blade rush cheesed them for my tank XD

solid sun
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lol

worthy lava
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wasn't that the bleed that you could spell reflect

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wait no that was de other side?

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different expansion lmao

warm plinth
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I don't believe you could reflect it, no, but that was a long time ago so maybe?

worthy lava
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yeah i think it was de other side down hakkar's path you could reflect a bleed not king's rest

solid sun
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DoS got crazy with the portals too

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Or was DoS the other one

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Maybe it was encrypted

warm plinth
#

DOS was Wo

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Yeah

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The super invis + movespeed one

solid sun
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Yes

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DoS with the blood monster affix was like an entirely different game

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Prideful

warm plinth
#

My group did make it on some clip compliation during Prideful because we killed the 2nd boss of Sanguine Depths in like 16 seconds with lust + prideful. It was pretty funny

solid sun
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lol

warm plinth
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It was only like a 16 or 17 but it was hilarious

solid sun
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Was the second boss the one in the ring that sent blood orbs you had to dodge

warm plinth
#

yeah

solid sun
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And kite around the ring

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So funny

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Prideful season had me get so frustrated sometimes

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It’s a wonder I didn’t take a break

warm plinth
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People hitting you with the fuckin orb was tilting

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or whatever it was that shot out

solid sun
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Yeah I think everyone got targeted by something?

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Had to spread out or something?

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And if you messed up the route you’d get prideful at the wrong time, or if someone body pulled stuff not on the route

warm plinth
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Yeah you had to position so that things that shot out wouldn't hit everyone else and stun them or some shit, idr

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yep

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Like oh guess we get pride on the pack before the boss instead of the boss because of your big ass

coarse kernel
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I think I'm ready to get roasted for my poor play, anyone wanna do a log review and help a guy be better?

solid sun
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So many pug groups devolving into finger pointing because prideful popped at the wrong spot

warm plinth
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Sure

coarse kernel
warm plinth
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Any in particular you want me to look at

coarse kernel
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The +12 was probably the best of these runs since it was a pug and not my dumb guildies

warm plinth
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Copy that

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Oh

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My friend what is this talent build you've got here

solid sun
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Got some rage that was wasted

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Cutting down on wasted rage is like the number one thing to do

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That and keeping SB up as much as possible and not getting hit in the back

warm plinth
#

It's gonna be difficult to give very good feedback because this talent build is not doing you any favors. But I do have a few points from my initial observations.

  • Lot of wasted rage
  • You're not pressing Thunder Clap/Thunder Blast enough, even considering that you can't press it as much because of your talents
  • Your blocked hits are on the low side, and you're getting hit in the back a fair bit; make sure to watch your positioning as you can't block things hitting you in the back.
  • Use your cooldowns more; Demo Shout and TR are both underused.
  • Remove Slam from your bars immediately
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Your casts per minute in general are also incredibly low. Like 30 casts low

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Well, like 25ish. I usually have about 72-75 casts per minute; you're at 47

solid sun
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He’s way better at this than me

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What a legend

coarse kernel
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Ok, that's good feedback, I thought I was using the wowhead M+ weekly build but I see a few talents are different from wowhead in my current build

warm plinth
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Yeah, the one MAJOR issue is the Avatar choice node

coarse kernel
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yeah, I saw that immediately once you brough it up

warm plinth
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And a significant one, though less major than that one, is using Best Served Cold at the expense of Focused Vigor

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Focused Vigor is far better than BSC since BSC got neutered in this patch

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So with that adjustment though; you're going to need to remember that SS and Thunder Clap/Blast both take priority over Revenge. Revenge is your last priority for spending globals, and isn't even on the priority list if you can Execute instead (assuming 6 or fewer targets)

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Your biggest issues though, all else aside, are the wasted rage and the low casts per minute. Those two alone will do wonders for you

coarse kernel
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I'm assuming my low CPM is just time wasted jamming TC when it's on CD, the talent swap should improve that considerably

warm plinth
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Could be. Demo Shout is also off cooldown a LOT as thane because we run Thunderlord, so remember it's not gonna be 45 second cooldown

solid sun
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All that wasted rage isn’t helping your cpm either I’d imagine

warm plinth
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Yep, that's rage you can put into reducing Avatar CD, which in turn gives you more Thunder Claps/Blasts, which in turn gives you even more rage to spend, etc.

high latch
#

Some excellent feedback here. One thing I'd point out is the Shield Block uptime. 82% while running Heavy Repercussions is very low. Keeping that up will make SS do more damage and make you noticably more tanky.

coarse kernel
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Well, I'm glad I nutted up and asked for help cuz I clearly wasn't catching those bad talent choices on my own

warm plinth
#

And remember, as you pass the ~21k mark on haste, you can think about moving Heavy Repercussions to Into the Fray (though keep in mind that you will need to be more aware of your Shield Block if you do to avoid gaps)

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I'd probably hold off on changing that regardless until you fix your other issues

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Just to keep things simple

coarse kernel
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Thanks to all for the analysis

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Time to put it into practice

quaint panther
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Hey all, probably a silly question but is the Band of the Shattered Soul a tank ring first? Wanted to make sure before dps kick off about tanks getting it over them

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Looks to sim high for some dps

vague mango
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It's a juicy stat spread with free text

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Not really tank focused

jagged pier
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you are in trouble of living

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its a dps and healer ring first

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same with the boots

warm plinth
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Isn't that ring basically only useful for the raid anyway

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The effect i mean

frosty mango
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Also kinda negligible for tanks

jagged pier
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i think cosmic is technically all damage

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from what nome said a while ago

frosty mango
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The effect is much stronger on a dps because their health pool is much smaller relatively imo

warm plinth
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Oh I guess it's holy, nature, shadow, and arcane, which I guess covers a fair amount of what you'd take anywhere

high latch
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Isn't Cosmic a specific damage type? I know some abilities in Manaforge literally says "inflicting x Cosmic damage"

frosty mango
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I think?

warm plinth
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It is, but it's also a combination type

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Like chaos, radiant, etc.

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So it works on anything within that combination too

frosty mango
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Chaos is all I think

high latch
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I see

quaint panther
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Great, thanks for the info all

mellow bridge
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cosmic dr should only work on what is labelled as cosmic and not the subtypes it is made out of afaik

warm plinth
#

That's how I would have thought it would work too (hence my original comment about it only being useful in raid), but there is a wowhead comment that also says it works on the individual type components that is upvoted a lot.

mellow bridge
high latch
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Anyone who has the ring that can test it? I'd love to know how it works

warm plinth
#

Here you go

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hardy snow
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I will have it if I can buy it in turboboost deadge

warm plinth
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Found a log with it

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That's shadow damage he's taking

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Another example in the same log; this is arcane damage

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mellow bridge
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weird but damn nice

warm plinth
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Would not have thought it would work that way but that makes it better for sure

hardy snow
warm plinth
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That's the ring absorb, Ethereal Guard

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The icon on the right

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This is an arcane mage using it, so it's not the tank effect

hardy snow
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but ring absorb in logs is Shattered Soul''s Embrace

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I've checked my lomithar prog and one of players in our team that had it indeed absorbed arcane damage with it

warm plinth
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Yeah I think it's just WCL because it shows healing done int hat log by the ring effect you mentioned

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Yeah this is probably more telling

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hardy snow
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so it works on "Cosmic" i.e. - Arcane, Holy, Nature, Shadow

warm plinth
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than what I showed

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Oh ethereal guard is the healer overheal absorb lul, I'm dumb

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But yeah, we got there in the end

narrow mulch
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hi guys, im new there. I have a simple question whats the shield bis for warrior the one crafted or the myth shield from 2nd boss of raid?

high latch
neon elk
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Have u guys ever had a bug where 2nd boss in priory resets agro? Had that happen first time to me

high latch
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I've had that on the first pull in Dawn

chrome falcon
high latch
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But Dawnbreaker is notoriously buggy

chrome falcon
neon elk
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It was like mid fight so or, no way i lost agro to healer

chrome falcon
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Oh that’s cool lmao

warm plinth
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Solid bug tbf

chrome falcon
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And you definitely didn’t nelf or nelf pot?

neon elk
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But he didnt reset like fully reset, didnt even heal or anything, ignored me slaped healer went to his place and runed back to me

chrome falcon
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(Kidding)

neon elk
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Nah i did not , not even playing elf for meld

chrome falcon
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Did you leap away? Was the healer playing paladin, monk, or druid?

neon elk
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Druid

warm plinth
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inb4 healer taunted

neon elk
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And im not sure about leaping

chrome falcon
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This sounds a lot like a healer taunt

neon elk
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But it will just kill him and go back to me ?

warm plinth
#

Well, the running back to his starting spot doesn't track with a taunt I guess

neon elk
#

Yea thats whats weird to me

warm plinth
#

He would've just gone back to Lom

chrome falcon
#

Oh sorry I misread I thought you said he didn’t do that

#

Yeah that sounds much more like a bug

#

Blame heal anyway

neon elk
#

He did go back, but didnt heal

chrome falcon
#

Stood wrong

#

Typical Druid.

warm plinth
#

Healer's fault 100%

neon elk
#

I blamed him dw xd

chrome falcon
#

Good shit

lunar flare
#

If you die, its the healers fault. If the damage is low, blame the healer for not contribuing any damage

#

Always a way to blame them

echo kiln
#

Hey guys, I’m new to tanking. I’m using the Plater addon with the Blizzard-style nameplates. Is there a way to make mobs that can cast spells show up in a different color than the normal ones?

lunar flare
#

There sure is

#

There are a few streamer plater profiles you could download to get started

high latch
#

Jundies and Vesperals are easily available on wago.io. Quazii hosts his on his own website.

lunar flare
#

Do not undertake the agonising process of manually adding mobs yourself. Others have done the work for you

#

I use Quaziis, I like his colour coding

echo kiln
#

i like the blizzard style nameplates. i guess i could change it there too? but i was think what is when there is an update

lunar flare
#

If you like the Blizzard ones, there's an addon (lol) called Better Blizz Plates

#

That lets you colour bars etc

#

Whilst keeping the default plates

#

I think it even has an option to import plater colour profiles, so you could nab the colours from Jundies/Quazii's profiles and then import those

#

But Better Blizz Plates comes with some stock colour profiles too

#

Probs a decent starting point tbh

echo kiln
#

let me see if i can find it, i downloaded the blizz like nameplates from wago with an import string

lunar flare
#

That's a plater profile though

echo kiln
#

jep thats a plater profile and it looks great

lunar flare
#

Yeah it looks nice, I don't like how fundamentally awful Plater looks out the box

echo kiln
#

the only thing i would like to hace is that mobs whcih can cast spells to show in a different color

#

thats the point, out of the box plater looks not good al least imo

lunar flare
#

Yeah so if you install another profile like Quazii's etc, you can export the npc colour settings from that, and then important it into your Blizz-like one

echo kiln
#

wow cool

#

thats great i will try this

high latch
#

Those profiles also colour other mobs differently, just fyi. Casters, but also things like high priority / dangerous mobs.

lunar flare
#

If you watch this part of his YT video he goes through the steps

YouTube
Quazii WoW
#1 Free Nameplate to CRUSH TWW 11.2 M+ [Quazii Plater]

𝗛𝗘𝗟𝗣 𝗠𝗘 𝗖𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗧𝗘 𝗠𝗢𝗥𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗬𝗢𝗨. 𝗦𝗨𝗣𝗣𝗢𝗥𝗧 𝗢𝗡 𝗣𝗔𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗢𝗡: https://www.patreon.com/quazii

Quazii WoW Plater nameplate profiles for The War Within Season 3 coming to Patch 11.2 of World of Warcraft.

===============𝗦𝗧𝗔𝗥𝗧 𝗛...

▶ Play video
high latch
#

Which I personally think is a good thing, but it is more than you're asking for.

warm plinth
#

You're a good thing

#

gottem

high latch
#

Damn right I am ❤️

lunar flare
#

It's guy love

echo kiln
#

great @lunar flare i will check that out

lunar flare
#

Between two guys

lunar flare
echo kiln
#

thnx a lot at all

solid cargo
#

How do you use tome of lights devotion properly?

high latch
#

Keep it in sword mode as much as possible

solid cargo
#

So basicallyt just send it on cd

#

ah, send it when WA yells at me

#

got it

high latch
#

You can of course track it yourself, but yeah, that WA tells you when to use it.

lunar flare
#

Wow this one makes a sound? My one doesn’t

#

The less thinking for me, the happier I’ll be

echo kiln
#

@lunar flare it worked, i think

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high latch
#

Yeah, looks good to me

echo kiln
#

that cool thnx a lot again

lunar flare
#

Nice!

solid sun
#

I wonder if I’m going to need a whole ass street for all my characters to have houses

hardy snow
#

crit is cool

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neon elk
#

Guys how do i convince my friend to not play healer ? xd

mellow bridge
#

and why would you do that

neon elk
#

Cuz he is a terible at that but refuses to see it and as friends we still play together time to time, but whole group kids suffers

strong forum
#

ouwh

nocturne spindle
#

convince him hes better at something else

#

or accept your friend is bad at a video game

strong forum
#

flame the everliving fuck out of him

#

make him hate himself

#

best way to maybe make him see something is maybe telling him "other people can do this with X" surely we/you can aswell

#

like "7 key levels higher, they literally take 100% more damage and still survive" type argument

#

so not directly target anyone

#

but point out that fact

#

or that people were doing 14s with 680ilvl

#

in case someoone brings up a gear issue

blazing ridge
#

Meh I am in the same boat, I want to push with my friend group but they are just not good enough. Still dieing to swirlies, slow healer can't keep up in 13 floodboss with healing, even though 4p on dudu with 706ilvl, we are stuck on 13 keys, and I don't feel at this point more is possible with them 🙁

#

Maybe I should just abandon the urge to push with them

frosty mango
#

Just be honest

#

“You are not playing at the level you need to play at in order to progress. I want to progress further so I am going to (pug/find a new group/quit)”

#

Sometimes interests don’t align

#

That’s ok

#

The worst thing you can ever do is not communicate clearly

blazing ridge
#

Took a break today from wow maybe it's good

#

Vault is full anyway

#

They are on vacation next 3 weeks maybe I will pug a bit and see how fun it is to try to pug my keys up

jagged gust
frosty mango
#

I mean just generally in life

#

Any relationship you have, friend/wife/kid etc

grave flower
#

Just getting back into prot warrior. Haven’t touched it since s1. Feels solid in low keys around 12s. Is there anything holding the class back this season with the changes?

frosty mango
#

The most destructive thing you can do is have ambiguous communication

frosty mango
blazing ridge
#

They don't do keys without me

#

Always the tank that runs keys for them

frosty mango
#

Yeah but did you tell them that

#

Or are you expecting them to magically just know

blazing ridge
#

Not clearly, but I know they know I am upset a bit

grave flower
frosty mango
#

People at bad at intuiting others feelings, doubly so over the internet

#

Just put that shit out there plain

warm plinth
#

The worst is when people go on sites like reddit to ask random strangers on the internet what they should do in a given relationship situation and it's like just go fucking talk to the person you weirdo

jagged gust
#

yeah but redditors are weirdos

#

"NTA but you should break up"

warm plinth
#

True

#

Right, like yes just take one side of the story that's obviously never biased and give them the most extreme piece of advice possible.

#

ezpz

jagged gust
#

"Top 1% Commenter"

warm plinth
#

Like I've definitely read some of those and been like "yeah you should break up with them" in my head, but I would never tell them that

jagged gust
#

tbf if you're willing to paint your partner in that bad of a light, you probably shouldn't be together anyways

#

maybe they're on to something...

#

oh god I've become one of them

warm plinth
#

NOOOO COME BACK WILLIAM

orchid narwhal
#

Does violent outburst drop stacks outside of combat

wispy moth
#

Ok strange : does they change comp tank on king ?
I've got the habits that first pattern is rng then fix, but this pull king change his pattern in the same pull. Is it normal ?

#

I'm in heroic

warm plinth
pallid quiver
#

technically, it can also fall off in combat as a result

that would be an interesting 30 seconds, tho

dense cradle
#

how would one go 30 seconds without hitting tclap or ss

pallid quiver
#

Technically, seeing red is the one that forms from you spending rage

#

So that's 30 seconds without Revenge, Execute, Ignore Pain, or, uh,

shield block

warm plinth
#

idk what to get for food

pallid quiver
#

get me

i cook rice and the chicken

warm plinth
#

ok come on over, I'll eat rice and chicken

#

It's only like idk, 8 hours or something

pallid quiver
#

I bike everywhere, so might be a bit longer

grave canyon
#

what talent should i play? "brutal vitality" or "fuled by violence" an explenation would be awesome

pallid quiver
#

Honestly, as long as you have one or the other, you're fine

As Thane, though, you're going to get more value from Brutal Vit since bleeds are a lower portion of your damage. It also now affects the next IP you apply if IP isn't up, as well, which is a nice benefit

grave canyon
#

ty

mellow yoke
#

vitality is what i run

mellow bridge
#

generally brv for thane, fueled for colossus

#

as colossus' tierset increases bleed dmg by a lot

pallid quiver
mellow bridge
#

jesus

#

smoll brainlag

mellow yoke
#

why would anyone play the inferior hero talents though

jagged pier
#

because they like it

jagged gust
#

Same reason people played thane in S1

neon elk
small steeple
lusty grotto
small steeple
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
#

I prefer col with bleed build gladge it's just stupid, but it is cozy and gets the job done

lusty grotto
#

i do prefer col as well, but thane it is

jagged gust
small steeple
#

did I just unironically say neat?

jagged gust
#

you're neat

#

GOTTEM

small steeple
#

💔

lunar flare
frosty mango
#

How are people who were 3500 last season doing sub tank dps

#

How is this possible

steep pivot
#

it was after first boss, we lust 3 pack inside the church, and then the next pull i agroed 2 packs (one that comes down the stairs)

#

with 4 paladins i think

#

ppl died lol

frosty mango
#

And if so do you get a cool ass hat

#

There’s a railroad near me and we go there to ride it and they have super cool hats and they wouldn’t give me one

#

I never forgot that I was like 5

waxen quartz
#

Most of the guides say haste/crit but I see a lot of high level key pushers doing haste/vers. can anyone help me understand pros / cons

frosty mango
#

And he said “you gotta be a conductor to get a hat”

frosty mango
#

All secondary stats are good stats, just sim your gear and equip best

steep pivot
steep pivot
waxen quartz
#

Yes I’m less so asking from a raw throuput perspective and more high key 17+ defensive value

frosty mango
#

If we are talking strictly ideal gear, you would see haste > crit ~ vers from your sims but we are not in bis gear and its not that simple in reality

#

Mastery doesnt suck, it just tends to sim (slightly) less than vers at our current stat levels but there are many times when you get a fat mastery upgrade and it’s better than a crit or vers piece bc of your current itemization

#

TLDR - they are wrong and just sim top gear

steep pivot
#

ok nice bro, i need also to start loggin up, there is chads here that are willin to help me, im learnin this class

#

as a dps perspective, its nice to larn the tank perspective, imm enjoyin playin as prot

frosty mango
#

Prot war discord is the best discord

#

We’re not even biased it’s just a fact

steep pivot
#

im from arms disc, and i already thought this is the best discord ever, more now with the protectio tab... now fury sucks, they are the bad part of warriors xD

lusty grotto
frosty mango
#

@cerulean tusk fury hater alert

steep pivot
#

just messin hehehe i like the rivalry

frosty mango
#

We only sandbag brewmasters

#

And yoda

#

And sometimes Kira but he got upset last time

#

There was a big fight it was great

steep pivot
#

played as fury few times, i dont like its idea, fast pacing gameplay and low dmg with high cadence... i rather see big numbers... but i dont hate anyclass ❤️

frosty mango
#

I was thinking the other day that yoda is kinda like the anakin skywalker of prot warriors

#

We recognize his skill and he’s kinda like on the council but he doesn’t get the rank of master

#

It’s really an interesting thing for me to think about

steep pivot
#

on df i played with him, on pug.. he made an big upgrade key feels like an low key, he was playin as prot paladin, huge gamer

lusty grotto
#

hes a great prot paladin

frosty mango
#

I mean objectively speaking he’s a great warrior

#

Because he’s a great player

lusty grotto
#

its just that what hes used to usually doesnt translate well to warrior

frosty mango
#

Just got some cooked takes sometimes lol

lusty grotto
#

right

#

its just his cooked takes

steep pivot
#

with the addition of the single rotation button, you guys think that players shall experience hier end content gameplay (hier dungeons and more guilds ending the myth raid) than the time we dont have that single rotation button?

#

sorry my eng sucks

wooden radish
neon elk
#

Dont think obr affects those players much, but a lot of people doing hc raids or like 10-12 keys should benefit from it , they are just ashamed to use it

hardy snow
#

that's a fine amount of haste hmmNod

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azure crag
#

guys, I'm scared
Blizzard hasn't announced any changes yet

Either something big is coming or nothing is coming at all

full plover
#

does it matter? we're all just gonna play warrior

lusty grotto
#

i swear to christ this is just like last season

#

people dooming without any reason to at all

azure crag
#

I'm not even dooming
I just don't like the tension

lusty grotto
#

"colossus is gonna get nerfed" ad-nauseaum for 4 weeks

full plover
#

we've been good this whole expansion, just the meta shitheads only take whatever yoda is playing

lusty grotto
#

never got nerfed

full plover
#

just make some frenz

#

^actually difficult tho

azure crag
#

I'm still secretly hoping for buffs to blood dk, but at this point, I don't think I could swap off prot even if I wanted to

#

my prot warrior is geared to the teeth at this point and I don't feel like starting back over agian

#

I'm also still my guild's only warrior

full plover
#

aren't we all basically this guy?

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cerulean tusk
#

If ya ain't nelf, are you even playing the game?

azure crag
#

I'm this guy

cerulean tusk
#

Btw, talking about buffs. I agree that BDK is in sore need of some. Holey does it feel bad atm

azure crag
#

I've been a blood dk since legion, and this was the first patch it ever got so bad, I dropped the spec.
-# Unless you count shadowlands where I dropped the entire game after sylvanas and didn't come back till dragonflight

steep pivot
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

sup lincoln

#

and good evening nish

wooden radish
lusty grotto
#

lmao

wooden radish
lusty grotto
#

farming trinkets sadge

wooden radish
#

You don’t want Yoda anywhere near your class. Trust me