protection

[chrome falcon]

wtf am i doing

[lusty grotto]

oof

[chrome falcon]

whatever that button isn't even good anyway fuck it

[lusty grotto]

uhh

yes it is good

[chrome falcon]

yeah im insanely fucking washed actually

get me on guardian druid

time to retire

[lusty grotto]

lol

youll get back up dw

[chrome falcon]

surely

well that was 3 hours of trying to get that one done

time for 3 hours of trying to get priory done tomorrow

[opaque vessel]

I think the logs only show shield charge from a distance, for some reason, at least in my experience

[chrome falcon]

details is showing the exact same thing

but yeah

there's no way i only pressed it once

i'm not perfect at lining it up with demo shout and TR but

i know for a fact that i press shield charge into the first pack and there's no way i just didn't press it for 30 mins after that lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah hes right

SC has been bugged on logs since they fixed the double hit last season

[rancid sedge]

are u playing with Bloodsurge and Sudden Death?

[chrome falcon]

Nop

Posted the log above

[lusty grotto]

im pulling 5k to 5.5k comfortably without brand

on average

without SD or bloodsurge

[mighty valley]

huh, hero belts are outsimming the disc belt for me

thought i'd have to at least get up to myth

[lusty grotto]

what rank

they arent for me at 5/6

4/6 sorry

[mighty valley]

like, even just at 701

my haste is fucking insane right now and it's throwing off a lot of stuff

sac is simming like dogshit

[paper crypt]

Comparing my logs to actually good prot warriors helped a lot, but I still have a ways to go for sure. Thanks guys

[steep crest]

do you guys trust raidbots sims with ascension onyour weapon?

its telling me its like 50k dps higher or something but when i try it in raid, i feel like im doing significantly less

[lusty grotto]

yes, we 500% trust it

[dense cradle]

in terms of raw stat gain ascension is still the most when its built up

[steep crest]

maybe i just played poorly after changing

idk

[lusty grotto]

possible

[slim chasm]

What can I do on Mythic Araz to not get RAILED by that add spawn? SW + Reflect then pot/stone is like, enough to make it OK but its still super scaryt

[hushed crater]

DPs or healer brann for delves and the delve boss fight?

[dense cradle]

dps

[sick merlin]

You just die if the delve boss mechanics hit you anyways from what I tried

(So healer bran wouldn’t do anything)

[tranquil thunder]

ask for externals

[pulsar mortar]

Hey guys, never tanked in my life, want to learn and alt one.. anyone here play Prot warrior and brew and can give a quick TLDR on hwo they play different in m+?

[blazing ridge]

Its Zug zug vs chug chug xdd

[pulsar mortar]

HAHA thats gold

[blazing ridge]

I think getting into prot as first tank is probably easier since your mitigation is pretty straightforward, alas you keep up Shieldblock all the time and just dont show your back. And then just press buttons. But brew isnt like any harder, just more fixed rotation then Prot I guess. But I am no Brew expert.

And you use your mitigation afterwards

Chugging your purifying brew

[pulsar mortar]

i see

[slender bison]

With Brewmaster in M+ you need to be comfortable tanking with red stagger and HP yoyo

And that requires you to know damage profiles and how to spread your two purifying brews

Prot warr is the classic tank. Keep shield block and dump rage in offensive or defensive skills and you're good to go.

[warped badge]

does shieldblock have 100% uptime?
and does it reduce the cd somehow?

[sweet summit]

cooldown is hasted

[warped badge]

but its not getting reduced in the gameplay loop?

[slender bison]

No, you dont have CDR

[warped badge]

and do we got 100% uptime this season?

[slender bison]

Its hasted enough so that you can have back-to-back shileld blocks

We always have in-combat 100% uptime if you're playing right

[blazing ridge]

There will be gaps of SB uptime

Just try not to end pulls with 24s left of Shieldblocl Uptime and you should be fine

[warped badge]

okay thx 🙂

[stuck basin]

is there a amount of haste we aim for?

have like 25k so its maybe a bit too much?

[high latch]

With ITF 21-25k is recommended. How much depends on how good you are at maintaining SB.

[tame jasper]

hm I'm at more than 30k 🙈

[gusty patio]

Except sometimes when you've talented into all the execute talents and you're spamming it like a madman

[jagged pier]

Nope, there are gaps now depending on how long it goes

As we get no free sb from anywhere

[bleak breach]

how good are raid boots?

like better then any at other ilvl?

[jagged pier]

Not better than higher ilvl

[wet sigil]

Is everforged longsword what i should craft for wep?

[jagged pier]

Dont matter pick the one you want the tmog of

[wet sigil]

col

cool

[uncut shadow]

Question peepz.
How are you all handling Big Momma on higher keys 14-15s?

She trucks me and i always seem to be down a defensive for 1 of the casts. Resto shaman healer so missing a healer defensive too

[sharp merlin]

You can use spell reflect on each tank buster

[blazing ridge]

yeah

[sharp merlin]

Along with shield wall or shout

Rage dump and Impending are your friend

Big Momma milker was the tank maker last season, she’s very easy this season

[lunar flare]

If you shout her AFTER she applies the dot will it still apply DR to it? Idk whether it snapshots or not

[deft vessel]

what do you guys use for simming aoe, if at all? patchwerk is obvious, dungeon slice says it's unsupported (due to it not being representative I assume)

[harsh musk]

What sort of ilvl are we replacing the belt atm?

[carmine topaz]

Hello, super new to warrior tanking, just picked it up and have been playing for about a week. Can someone explain to me how ignore pain works? It's apparently supposed to absorb X amount of damage, I'm just testing out a weakaura on the tanking dummy and my health is going down while I still have the Ignore Pain absorb shield up, what's going on there?

[high latch]

I just increase the number of targets to 8, or whatever is closest to the situation I want to sim for

[cedar egret]

its 50% not 100%

[high latch]

I've heard a few different things, but what my own sims say is at 714 (myth 3/6). But it would depend on which belt you're comparing to and your overall stats from before.

In short, sim it.

[hard wolf]

where can I post a run from logs to get some feedback guys?

[high latch]

#1347646810457636974

[hard wolf]

ty

[mellow bridge]

yeah, no snapshotting of that kind exists for tanks

[lunar flare]

Nice, so I can shout after and all is well? That is good to know because that's what I've been doing lol

[mellow bridge]

to reduce the dot, you can do that yeah

the opposite is true too ofc, if you lose a DR while a dot is ticking on you, it will then do more damage

[lunar flare]

Thank you for your teachings

[bleak breach]

why are pwar logs on M Plexus coming up as -?

ahh i think it's to do with wrecking throw

[native ember]

so mythic boots will beat out the the boots from raid at heroic lvl ?

i mean im assuming that dps but is the proc from raid boots beneficial as far as more survivability or does that just not matter

[uncut shadow]

Just looking over the sheet now. Does it reflect the initial damage or the dot?

[high latch]

It doesn't reflect. But the -25% magic damage taken applies to it.

Or -35% if you're running Hunker Down

[uncut shadow]

Ohhhhhhhh. Thank you!

[frosty mango]

It’s in the pins

[sharp merlin]

More for the DR

It’s free DR

[deft mortar]

bricked a dawnbreaker cuz dark orb randomly targetted me

I didnt even know that thang could target tank

For some reason the dps and healer were with me facing the city

So maybe that's what caused it

was at pull, so I guess they didn't reposition

[high latch]

It can target tanks. Has targetted me before at least, but I haven't ran Dawn much.

[deft mortar]

I mean MB after all, but I never expected it

I think it targets randomly but facing where the bulk of the players are

[high latch]

No, one time I got targeted I was on the other side from the group

Or maybe one of our experiences was bugged. That dungeon is notoriously buggy..

[sharp merlin]

It used to target me all the time as a tank

I think that’s a dungeon I do once at a high key and try avoid like the plague

[high latch]

I don't actually mind it, but I just don't have much reason to run it yet because I'm still farming Priory

First gear, then rating

[mild swallow]

Like someone said, Ignore Pain only absorbs 50% of the damage. Say you take a hit for 100, 40 damage remains after block, Ignore Pain will absorb 20 of those from its pool and you'll take 20 on your health.

[heavy sparrow]

Normal cape boost boots beat 704 regular boots

[carmine topaz]

Yeah, thank you both. Seems like I had misread it, I understand now

[frosty mango]

Anyone able to get a 0 waste run consistently?

[jagged pier]

you wont tbh

[frosty mango]

been trying all season (bc im crazy) and im usually between 50-80

[frosty mango]

yea kinda arriving at that point now

demo shout opportune windows seem to be high rage windows so that usually overcaps

[warm plinth]

I got a 69 waste run 😏

[solid sun]

Nice

[sharp gale]

Yes it does now, got surprised too the first time I got it

[violet ginkgo]

[mild swallow]

what's waste?

[violet ginkgo]

but I think this is already amazing? like below 1% wasted rage (0.4%), it's already amazing. And I assume this is Thane? that will be even more amazing as thane generate a lot of rage.

[frosty mango]

Yeah it’s thane

It’s moreso just I do a lot of carry runs to help friends/guildies and I need something to game towards because I’ll lose my mind running 10s

[warm plinth]

Going over the rage cap is wasted rage

[warm plinth]

Might be more doable if you play overwhelming? I'm sure it's doable without but that'd give you more breathing room for the AAAAAAAAAHHHH moments

[round pendant]

I waste so much rage now that ravager is a proc now

[hard wolf]

where do you find in logs the waisted rage though

[round pendant]

log > resources

bruh I really gotta stop slacking

wtf am I doing

[jagged pier]

not pressing IP enough

[hard wolf]

then again its not a single line there though

[warm plinth]

It is if you don't specifically pick a player

[hard wolf]

oh ty

[warm plinth]

If you pick yourself then it'll have the breakdown; if you don't, it'll just be total

[hard wolf]

then i am above 16k too

[warm plinth]

grats

[shrewd grove]

Lucky bastard 😛

[rancid sedge]

do u guys have any WA or addon that show Stun DR on nameplate or something similar?

[toxic pewter]

not really but that is coming to base UI in midnight

so thats exciting

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/R93MbZOoD looks like what you're after? I have not used it myself.

[rancid sedge]

ty my friend, playing with shaman heal and mobs is immune all the time

[round pendant]

gotta play that colussy

[tulip pumice]

15 Eco with what felt like 4 dps and a healer

they cooked with that key

[deft mortar]

Keybind IP to SS

[round pendant]

I'm good

[vital vale]

is this pull viable in streets or am i gonna brick a key

or would this be better

[toxic pewter]

do it yolo

[uncut shadow]

I do this,

if your DPS has eyes and you help with movement for the b eams its fine

[flat stratus]

yo, how much uptime do i need miminimum for sb and ip on a key ?

[vital vale]

do you pull boss first and go grab overseers or bring them over

[flat stratus]

i'm not a key professional, this is my first season pushing as a prot. always has been fury or arms.

[vital vale]

welcome to the life of being invited to groups

[flat stratus]

facts

xD

[waxen frigate]

Hawk tuah

[waxen frigate]

Neither are relevant numbers at all

There is one relevant number for shield block but you need logs to see it

What you’re looking for is under damage taken, mouse over melee and you should see a % of attacks blocked

You want that as close to 100% as possible

Ignore pain uptime is completely irrelevant though. It’s mostly just a rage dump ability that’s off the gcd

(You also really don’t need to track ignore pain for that same reason)

[mellow yoke]

is 60.1% the blocked damage?

[waxen frigate]

i have no idea

you should log your gameplay and upload it

i'll show you an example of what it looks like in logs one sec

mouse over the "hits" part of melee

in damage taken

[mellow yoke]

1s

[full mist]

You basically want shield block up 100% of the time mobs are attacking you. If you don’t have enough haste to get there with into the fray then you can take another talent that helps fill in the gaps (either the choice talent with into the fray or bolster)

[mellow yoke]

88.19 blocked in

FG for me

[frosty mango]

You won’t be able to get 100%

[waxen frigate]

^ as close to as you can though

[mellow yoke]

obviously

[waxen frigate]

there are various reasons 100% isn't really viable

but goal is to make that % go up

[mellow yoke]

what is the

realistically best

[frosty mango]

97% ish is a good number to aim for though you’ll find 92-95 is prob closer to where you’ll land

[rotund wolf]

guys please give me a reason not to raceswap to dracthyr aside from PSF left route

[jagged pier]

brah your not getting that without HR

[frosty mango]

97?

[mellow yoke]

HR?

[jagged pier]

ye

like low 90s is what your likely to get

[mellow yoke]

What is HR

[waxen frigate]

aura

[jagged pier]

if your trying at most low 90s

[jagged pier]

heavy reprucussions

[rotund wolf]

yeah but imagine the aura if I get decent IO as a dracthyr

[frosty mango]

Are we talking logs or details

[jagged pier]

outside of like dawnbreaker, dawnbreaker u might be able too

why would i be talking details

literally useless

[lofty gyro]

Is there some benefit in open vault as other speccs than Protection for Warriors (like it is for Blood DK), or just open vaults as Prot as a default?

[waxen frigate]

it wouldn't matter either way

[jagged pier]

blocked hits is all we care about

[waxen frigate]

the number of blocked hits is the same

[rotund wolf]

unless you want tome/mud from M+ or brand from raid

[waxen frigate]

if you still need stuff from prot loot table

[rotund wolf]

or weapon/shield

[rotund wolf]

if you dont want any of that, go arms

[frosty mango]

i mean are you sure

[waxen frigate]

uptime irrelevant

that's not what we're talking about

[frosty mango]

oh

[jagged pier]

u cast 7 shield block over a key?

[frosty mango]

blocked hits

[lofty gyro]

Ok, thank you!

[frosty mango]

thats what it says

lol

[waxen frigate]

thats the aura instances

not casts

[frosty mango]

then yeah agree low 90s

[jagged pier]

thats your blocked hits tho

[jagged pier]

yer dont know why we are linking aura buffs

fucking pointless

[waxen frigate]

🤷‍♂️

[mellow yoke]

is this argument still going on

holy

[frosty mango]

Yea 85-90 where I normally am

Bc I love getting blasted in the back during gather

Favorite past time

[rotund wolf]

'luv block
'luv getting to end of gather at 20% and both cheats procced

[waxen frigate]

skill issue

[rotund wolf]

'ate consistent DR

simple as

[solid sun]

👀

[frosty mango]

its much easier for me to just force my healer to keep me alive so I can gather stuff ahead of the overzealous ret paladins and dks

than it is for me to play properly and effectively

[nocturne spindle]

Gotta make sure the silly healers heal and don't dps

[warm plinth]

This is my personal best

But it's dawnbreaker, so not really anything crazy gathering wise

[frosty mango]

Too kind to your healer

[jagged pier]

#protection message

[wicked pollen]

hi jakey

[jagged pier]

[wicked pollen]

i like playing full execute talents

[jagged pier]

good

[wicked pollen]

kinda wish colo still have cm on execute

thoughts on playing without the block chance and block value talent

[jagged pier]

in weekly keys fine

in higher keys terrible

[wicked pollen]

ive been playing this but aoe execute for sd

[jagged pier]

u drop instigate for SD

not taking cleaving execute makes the build pointless

[wicked pollen]

or rven the uh 2% haste for aoe execute

[jagged pier]

or that i guess

[wicked pollen]

i definitely do feel that compared to s1

you have a lot more rage

or just lack of reps on thane

[rigid hull]

my highest overall in season 3

i was so locked in

[prisma nexus]

what GS do you have

[frosty mango]

Huge execute vibes

Maximizing priory smash there

Why is your fury warrior doing 600m overall

[rigid hull]

i had 0 exe talents actaully

[rigid hull]

well to be honest im a booster

i boost m+

that was the buyer

didnt use execute p much

exe is more damaeg but i quit the game

i was like

"i wanna min max wiht what i know " xd

else i would practice min maxing with execute

[orchid narwhal]

sorta obvious question, but how do you guys deal with tainted slash in higher keys

Im rotating through defensives, but i feel like i have to have 2 shield wallsanytime i go near a guy that does it

[grim pilot]

Nothing special just use your defs and call for an external if you play with healer that has one. It can get parried as well so yeah

Dont overlap stuff too much

[orchid narwhal]

i thought they removed the parry on it

[grim pilot]

If they did im wrong, my info is from s1. Would be weird to do so tho

[orchid narwhal]

Yea I think its part of the updated stuff

I only know cuz it was a pain in season 1 for paladins and now its even worse for them LOL

[grim pilot]

Yeah it was bad

But it wasnt worst part of the dungeon

Db was crazy hard when u went higher

Harder than gb

[floral solar]

I have old S2 tier at like 658 ilvl. Is it worth breaking the set to gain 20 ilvls across the pieces?

[glacial lynx]

Are people back to left side of priory?

[ionic adder]

how do i change my healthbar i hate blizzard one to tank

[swift veldt]

Would you guys instantly upgrade this to full? I have crafted 1h and shield and its only my single myth item

[wicked pollen]

do you expect to get item from mythic raid

if no you could upgrade this and whatever you vault

if yes

no

[swift veldt]

Im not playing m raids, 99% of my plays are keys

okay then, thanks 😄

[wicked pollen]

you could also do harmode first

then sned

[swift veldt]

i have no party for hm either, just pugging keys, maybe will try it a bit later in season when people are geared more, then im blasting this to full as i have 110 crests

[wicked pollen]

you can try pugging hardmode

just gotta be really preped for everything

snd in discord

otherwise not worth time

[shy python]

Whats a good addon/weakaura to track party dps cds?

[warm plinth]

Can't imagine why you wouldn't max it

[rough egret]

Omnicd

[dense remnant]

how much was the "recommended" haste rating spot for feel good shield block etc uptime with ITF?

[mellow yoke]

tbh

I did hardmode the other day

we pretty much one shotted any boss

47 sec for the mail boss

hardmode is balls easy right now

deadass you skip core mechanics with enough dps

[strong forum]

keys 20k++

raid as much as possible if you want full SB coverage (for dimensius mythic for example you want ~26k)

[dense remnant]

talent or ITF stack size difference?

[strong forum]

stack size

you spend >50% of P1 and P3 alone

[dense remnant]

yeah makes sense

[weak sky]

Hello, has anyone encountered this maybe and knows what's up with crit chance on thunder clap and thunder blast?
Been like this since the start of expansion, found out today it's apparently not 'normal'

[dense remnant]

i might be jumping on to war for a raid or two, or just also perma on soulhunters, and need to get my war rdy for those

ty

[strong forum]

its combining hits procs off of seismic reverb aswell, and those cant crit as they already copy the dmg of the original crit

it you un-collapse the TB and TC bars

you can see that the little bar has 0% crit

and the big bar has its normal amount of crit

[weak sky]

ah, ok tyvm! turns out i'm just stupid 😅

[strong forum]

dw

i was there aswell at start of alpha

many confus

[lusty grotto]

.

[dense remnant]

.

[lusty grotto]

needed to find my nick to update

too lazy

[bleak marsh]

whats the optimal trink setup for M+ and Raid? i have managed to gather all s tier trinkets. just curious what is optimal for both. any help is appreciated

[mellow bridge]

for raid you just sim it

[cedar egret]

brand gotta be a locked in trinket slot

[dense remnant]

its not unless the fight lasts long enough

[lusty grotto]

brand and tome

but yeah Rebek is correct

[dense remnant]

man, i kinda wanna just hero craft ring cos i havent farmed enough for a ring to drop from m+

like fractillus brand is just dog, im pretty sure

did we get another spark next week?

[lusty grotto]

we do

[dense remnant]

i have dementia

ok nice

[lusty grotto]

next reset we get a spark

[dense remnant]

although.... i could also just craft mythic weapon right now

does mythic soul hunter hurt prot war?

[lusty grotto]

its a lot of magic damage, but not particularly

people are opting for not playing shield spec on it in favor of other talents

[dense remnant]

mkay, just wondering how easily i would be able to just plop my 704 prot war in without much prep

[lusty grotto]

should be fine

[dense remnant]

time to ask if the RL wants to boot the dps warrior out

[lusty grotto]

[swift veldt]

How do we min max tome from priory? Should i just pop trinket cd when im in sword mode or i should try doing it at 49 stacks?

[dense remnant]

im playing prot war in next week's raid cos the dps variant is not available, sadge

[lusty grotto]

pop it when you swap to shield, thats it

[dense remnant]

you never press it when in sword mode

[swift veldt]

Oh so thats how it works XD

misunderstood the tooltip lmfao

thaaanks

[dense remnant]

the amp comes when you swap with the on-use

[lusty grotto]

you should never be in shield mode

its as simple as that

[dense remnant]

(except if youre in m+) right?

[swift veldt]

just got it and used it for 1 key and used it on sword 49 stacks so rip

[dense remnant]

i never rly ran tome in m+ last season cos cba'd

[swift veldt]

at least i asked quickly not being dumb to use it for milion keys realizing im doing something stupid

[lusty grotto]

never

[dense remnant]

never

gotcha

[swift veldt]

Also im just key player, so if i drop anything better what would it be? As i got tome now im starting to farm fg for obvious reasons. Im not a mythic raider so im pretty much on vault mercy

[neon elk]

If u do only m+* u idealy play tome+ pace

But even lfr/normal brand from raid is hella good , dosnt need to be mythic

[bleak marsh]

so its kinda like the eye of kezan of this tier ?

[lusty grotto]

better

[dense remnant]

kinda, yes

[bleak marsh]

alright thanks for the info

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt decay nearly as fast

[swift veldt]

just did my first hc this week up to dimensius so maybe there will be dh trinket but still myth key items would be higher, will see what drops. Rn i got 705 ilvl overall so i will drop like 3 items, farm some crests and its just vault waiting on my warri

[dense remnant]

personally i'd just most likely take hero track ire above majority of early mythic raid items

obv exceptions exist

but ire is massive

[swift veldt]

Yeah dh will be my nemesis, i dont have both boots and ire so rip

[neon elk]

Booth are whatever kinda

[swift veldt]

At this moment im running tome and sacbrood cause nothing else dropped so im pretty much good, not running 11-12 keys with random shit from delves 😄

[neon elk]

Boots*

[glacial socket]

As new fury. Going to do only m+. Shall i craft 1 hand and shield firts with gilded?

[lusty grotto]

fury?

[glacial socket]

Pror sorry. Meant to write warrior 😅

[lusty grotto]

shield first but yea

[glacial socket]

After 1h?

[round pendant]

subtlety is too hard boys

[bleak breach]

Could be wrong, but I think it’s an S3 change. Never happened to me before S3

[quaint glade]

guys if i dont raid, can i craft shield with spark? I mostly play m+

[warm plinth]

Shield first, then 1h

[lusty grotto]

you should, even if you dont raid

should have been first craft

[quaint glade]

i was checking icy veins and it was saying to craft wrist and belt thus i asked

but tyvm

[lusty grotto]

yeah our guides are correct, its just theres big value in getting shield and weapon first and foremost

bracers and belt arent replaceable

but shield and weapon are, if you get myth tracks

[warm plinth]

The section on icyveins isn't about crafting. It's specifically about embellishments.

[solid sun]

You’re an embellishment

[lusty grotto]

thats a good point

[round pendant]

did 3 wonders on my prot, no drops

went wonder on my rogue since that was the key it had

friend dropped the ring and I got gloves

game sucks

still no gloves, boots, ring or shoulders on my pwar

[lusty grotto]

yeah

alts always get good shit, probably because you play it less

similar reason why dumbasses that die get loot

[round pendant]

also monk tank asked if I needed gloves

I didn't see til after I hearthed and left party

whispered him to say yeah and he blocked me

sad

[solid sun]

That actually made me laugh

Maybe they were the opposite faction

so you weren't allowed to whisper them

[lusty grotto]

yea

he didnt block you

[round pendant]

oh that could be it

forgot that's a thing

My headcanon :(

[solid sun]

but the idea of you sitting there like "aw shucks, what did i do"

lol

[round pendant]

god they need to do something about sin's ST dps

I don't wanna learn sub it's too hard

[ionic adder]

hey, how do i fix the fact that i cant buy something during combat ? for tazavesh

[jaunty jacinth]

is there a PPM for passive Ravager ?

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1235113/whirling-blade

right there in white text

[round pendant]

I'm convinced

ara kara is the hardest pug dungeon this season

the amount of utter shit shows on that first boss

[lusty grotto]

it is

[leaden grail]

is there a trick to moving the first boss in dawnbreaker? I just had it not move for 2 different sets of void spawns. like those 2 purple voids 2 players spawn. it didnt move a single inch until she cast the ability a second time. i was 20+ yd away from her using throw weapon for like 20 seconds or something. casts were interrupted by my group

[lusty grotto]

no trick, just kick and move immediately after baits

[leaden grail]

yea thats the way I've always been doing it and it was kinda fine except for that one set of beams that just happens immediately after, but that time she didnt move at all ever. fun boss

[lusty grotto]

its been that way since s1

that dungeon's start is always buggy as fuck

[dense remnant]

thought that was the easiest boss in the dungeon, weird

but ive had several times in s1 and a few in s3 where i would be solo killing the boss as a tank

[round pendant]

that boss just randomly decides to desync

always take 2 ranged people and have them bait correctly, makes everything free

otherwise it's hell

[round pendant]

I've had 3 +6 groups brick on that first boss while trying to do it on my alt

I'm there just pumping away and everyone's just putting their webs in awful places and not focusing the adds

[dense remnant]

that does sound demonic

but i havent done lower than 10s since the 3rd day of the patch or something, so maybe i havent seen the demons that exist

[lusty grotto]

i happens in 12s too

in NA at least

[dense remnant]

ppl dont wanna "pad" on adds?

[lusty grotto]

the reason its happening is that the buff isnt as strong as s1

so its more than livable

the aoe after it gets buffed

so a lot of people are used to doing it ignoring adds, but it can catch people unprepared for it or undergeared

[dense remnant]

thats definitely some tech that i havent seen once

but now that i think about it, i think i have done like maybe 5 aras this patch, and like 3-4 of them were with full or almost full guild groups ^^

[round pendant]

wait people ignore the adds now?

maybe I'm the shitter all along

[lusty grotto]

its a thing in 15s

[lusty grotto]

they dont really ignore them, but they use them for funnel

if the boss eats it its fine

[bleak parcel]

No class tuning this week

[mellow yoke]

guys

is it worth to play ascension

or just 2x dawnthread/duskthread

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you have

[mellow yoke]

crafted wep and shield

im currently running asc + 1x dawn

[lusty grotto]

ok what else are you gonna put dawn/dusk on?

[mellow yoke]

next week

i can maybe chagne

ascension to another dawn

[lusty grotto]

next week you swap to dusk/dawn yes

[mellow yoke]

so ascension is just not worth?

[lusty grotto]

ascension is only worth the first weeks cause you cant dawn/dusk x2

[round pendant]

what's the easiest way to get like 4 weathered crests

lmao

[fleet fox]

in which cases do you dawn and which cases do you dusk?

[mellow yoke]

world quest

[mellow yoke]

whatever stat you need

[fleet fox]

fly around dornogal and pick up orbs

[mellow yoke]

dawn is crit dusk is versa

[dense remnant]

those dont drop crests anymore

[fleet fox]

ok nvm

[dense cradle]

get one of each to bloat your buff bar

[lusty grotto]

you put whatever sims higher

[round pendant]

Any?

[mellow yoke]

i mean

any outdoor event

iirc

which includes world quests

[dense remnant]

low end delve

[mellow yoke]

yeah just run a t1 fungal

[fleet fox]

is it just based on dps for tanks too?

im new to tanking

[mellow yoke]

wym

[dense remnant]

unless youre dead, its about dps

[mellow yoke]

as long as you are above

80% HP

dawnthread gives you 800 something crit

or dusk gives you 800 something versa

[fleet fox]

yeah but i figured verse could be nice for the % dmg reduction

[mellow yoke]

well

people say

crit = vers

at some point

[fleet fox]

because of the parry chance?

[lusty grotto]

it does jack shit for you at that low amount

[dense cradle]

that 1% dr

[mellow yoke]

i mean

crit gives u

[dense cradle]

is why i died

clearly

[mellow yoke]

a solid parry chance

[fleet fox]

well i mean people still enchant their cloaks with avoidance so idk

[mellow yoke]

and extra dmg on criticals

well

how is that

[dense cradle]

nah use leech like a man

[mellow yoke]

relevant to the topic

tanks use leech ench on backs and wrists

[fleet fox]

thanks for the tips guys

[lusty grotto]

no we dont

if a cloak has avoidance, its because we dps in raid

[fleet fox]

well DPS players do

[lusty grotto]

we dont want avoidance at all

as tanks

mine has avoidance for that reason

i aint gonna swap enchants every time

[dense cradle]

its also so minor

either way

i enchant speed on dks

regardless of role

[fleet fox]

i do the same on priest

[dense cradle]

Yeah but priest actually dies

dk if you die well

idk how to write this nicely

[lusty grotto]

anyway you pick dusk or dawn based on sims

use whatever sims highest

both will have similar defensive outcomes

if youve been itemizing correctly, chances are vers will sim higher because you will already be hight crit

but it can go either way based on stats

[dense cradle]

anytime i join a pug key on a dps

and see a tank with double defensive trinkets

i have 0 expectations and still manage to be disappointed

[frosty mango]

Mud and stam trinket you know it’s gonna be a run of all time

[dense cradle]

this guy had the delve stam trinket and soulbinder one

[frosty mango]

There’s a delve stam trinket?

[dense cradle]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

nethergauze

[mighty valley]

30 million health, dies instantly

[lusty grotto]

otherwise known as dreadplate 2.0

[dense cradle]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=246941/symbiotic-ethergauze

it sucks

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt suck

its just hard capped at hero track

[dense cradle]

wasnt dreadplate way more damage

i feel like sub 3% of overall damage is real bad

for a no primary trinket

[lusty grotto]

where are you getting this number from

either way the point is that it doesnt suck

but its also not relevant due to being track capped

[deft mortar]

I got 29M unbuffed HP now

Cuz I am running double stam trinket

Its fun

Ethergauze also does 2% of my overall DPS and 12% of my overall HPS

Which aint the worse

[dense cradle]

the guy who had it, the amount it did

[deft mortar]

My 2nd stam trinket is dogshit tho, its timewalking Ulduar

Gives 20k armor on use

[dense cradle]

Oh that one

[deft mortar]

[dense cradle]

different era of the game

[lusty grotto]

what a waste

[deft mortar]

Thats about 1k strength tho

[lusty grotto]

memes are memes i guess

[dense cradle]

I remember when i got hp on use trinkets from tw bc

on dps lootspec

????

[deft mortar]

It should give like 50K armor

Nah 100k

100K armor I can settle for

Thats 5k STR on use

[dense cradle]

bring back bonus armor

[lusty grotto]

why

so you armor cap for no reason at all?

[dense cradle]

jk that was a disaster

[deft mortar]

I will hit 30M unbuffed next reset

[lusty grotto]

if they put that garbage back there aint no way they'll let it contribute to AttT

stam andy meme

[deft mortar]

Clear I wont be hitting 40M this patch so kinda idk what to do after

[deft mortar]

Health maxxing every patch

[lusty grotto]

im aware

[deft mortar]

Lowkey funny to have 2nd wind trigger at 10M HP

[lusty grotto]

im not even gonna ask why youre running second wind

[deft mortar]

I love keep ppl hostage

Literally useless talent tho

[dense cradle]

isnt bear better for stam maxing

[deft mortar]

Unless ur healer is dead

[deft mortar]

After a certain mastery it is

But Bear doesnt feel "unbuffed" idk

[rancid sedge]

is retri dps shit

or what

[dense cradle]

its the bm hunter of melee

[lusty grotto]

just like any season, its ST is not that big, but they do well on aoe

[rancid sedge]

the ones i get do 3m on single, and like 1m less on aoe vs dk, hunter, balance etc

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

its not a class thing

just like anything

[dense cradle]

ret is the easiest and most popular spec

so there are going to be noticeably more shitters on it in pugs

[lusty grotto]

FDK is just as easy

[dense cradle]

Yeah but fdk isnt like that every season

you want to push noobs away from fdk just bring back old bos

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

it is now

i dont care about pushing noobs, thats not what we're talking about

[dense cradle]

Yeah i think in current patch fdk and ret both are brainlet

But ret is like that every tier

[rancid sedge]

i used to be bdk main, and its crazy the amount of dk dps that dont use grip

[dense cradle]

me watching dk dps die to “falling off platform” knocks

[azure crag]

I heard you can use a barrel of fireworks to extend the length of your brand stacks in long RP sections of dungeons

Is that true?
And can you use other things?

[sick merlin]

Try it, worst case, you get a nice fireworks show

[lusty grotto]

likely

we could worn doll in DF

[oblique quarry]

this trinket outsims tome - but does the tome account for propper usage in the sims?

[lusty grotto]

are you simming 5 target?

[oblique quarry]

i simmed single and 5 - 6 targets

[lusty grotto]

it should outsim arcano in st

but not in aoe

but not by much in aoe

[oblique quarry]

the difference is small either way, was just curious because i dont see it mentioned on the wowhead trinkets and it seems strong

[lusty grotto]

yeah you use it over arcano in keys

[waxen frigate]

Generally speaking FDK is an unforgiving spec to play

[lusty grotto]

not this season it aint

and going forward for that matter

[mellow yoke]

realistically

how strong is

brand of ceaseless ire

for pwarrs

[torn gulch]

very

[lusty grotto]

very

[split roost]

Very

LOL

[mellow yoke]

it will be a painfull grind for it i guess

[stuck crown]

Hey, im starting to get into mythic with pwarr coming from a prot pala main for quite some time and i feel my damage is a bit "meh" and could be better, wowanalyzer doesn't look to be up-to-date with 11.2 for pwarr but would anyone be able to check out some logs to see if im doing anything majorly wrong or know of anywhere i can go to get them checked out?

[lusty grotto]

sure #1347646810457636974

[stuck crown]

ah was one of the channels i had hidden 😄 thanks

[noble spruce]

hello, new prot warri here. pls consider this video with timestamp https://youtu.be/iWgKCGpwzmU?si=zcVRwwun6t6gLPyb&t=785
how is he prolonging the shield buff? u can see the buff emphasizied from the left above his weakaura in center and what buttons he presses in the right bottom corner near details.

[solemn current]

Shield charge gives you shield block

[noble spruce]

could u pls link the talent? can't find it anywhere

[noble spruce]

ah, i see. it isn't shown in the spells castes

that is why im so confused

thank you very much

[solemn current]

It goes on CD but seems like it likely got overlapped with IP and didn’t register in the addon.

[sand pebble]

its this sstrong on an 8min lfr fight

[lusty grotto]

SC casts are bugged on the combat log

so if the addon is reading the log

it wont register

this also goes on to WCL

in other words: until its fixed, we wont have accurate counts for SC on logs

this has been going on since they fixed the double hit mid S2

[mighty valley]

does this mean our damage is very slightly underrepresented in basically all publicly available data

don’t tell anyone

[lusty grotto]

likely lol

[cerulean fox]

are any of the delve trinkets decent?

[lusty grotto]

the guides have a useful button for drop locations

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets if youre lost

[toxic pewter]

Wat every1 doin

[lusty grotto]

fighting burn out of farming trinkets

[toxic pewter]

Ngl I thinking of taking break till midnight

Or at least pre patch

Or housing 10.2.7 I guess lmao

[lusty grotto]

thats good

break always healthy

[solid sun]

I've been working towards 3k

I haven't taken any breaks this expansion, so maybe after 3k I'll do something else

[small steeple]

just wait 6 weeks and get em from dinars

[frosty mango]

I just stopped for this week

I got lfr brand and called this week a w

[fluid widget]

Trying to level an alt and depressingly approaching my warriors ilvl

[lean furnace]

am I ilvl over all until I hit >700? I've got some upgrades here and there but I'd be losing haste for most of them

[fluid widget]

Why do alts get all the luck

[fluid widget]

Sim, realistically ilvl is king, and you can live with low haste (though it won’t feel as good)

[sharp gale]

What luck are we talking about ?

[lean furnace]

sim as in topgear for damage, yea?

[fluid widget]

Yessir

[lean furnace]

do I want to ignore trinkets since a 1def 1dmg trinket is smart?

or is that no longer a thing?

[fluid widget]

Hero boots, trinkets in ~5ish runs, minimal grinds

[nocturne spindle]

If you need it to survive

(you don't)

[sharp gale]

We use 1 def if we need one + one is actually good

[fluid widget]

2 offensive is king until you can’t survive, which id adjust talents before trinkets

[lean furnace]

awesome ty

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah, in S1 my hunter I’ve played for 1 week got sacbrood myth in his vault, while my war never saw it

[sick merlin]

Is it good enough that LFR version is worth over a heroic alternative?

[fluid widget]

I ran 1 10 last week and got the mythic parapodia

I feel that

[frosty mango]

As you may have deduced by my name, I don’t have many options

[sharp gale]

My warrior vaults for now are kinda meh, I’m afraid of my dh first vault Wednesday

Stealing all my luck

[nocturne spindle]

I think heroic pace and sac outsim lfr version

But as always

The answer is sim it

The other benefit

Is other trinkets assume you play perfectly

Damage proc trinkets just do their x damage

And will basically always sim what they actually output

[fluid widget]

I’d love to see ire

Someday

I’ll just chill with Tome and stone idol for now

[jagged gust]

learning when not to use stone idol is an art

[frosty mango]

Roidburgs guide to cursed stone idol

1. Press shield wall
2. Clench butt
3. Pray healer is paying attention
4. Press idol
5. Do big dam

I perfected this on ptr

[jade hazel]

Had to tank in raid tonight. Holy shit I had fun.

Was weird having like a 680ish sword and shield tho

[lusty grotto]

have you never tanked before cause

zzz

[jade hazel]

Not raid no

[lusty grotto]

ok then that makes sense lol

[jade hazel]

Could totally see how it could be zzz though now that I’m thinking about it

[lusty grotto]

its zzz

except for usually 1 or 2 fights

every season

if anything

or at all

the only 2 fights this tier that are kinda fun are saladbar and loomi

[jade hazel]

Already have a crafted 2H (I main arms) but if I wanted to switch to prot like, right now. Would I craft a shield next and just hope for a better 1h in vault or loot?

[lusty grotto]

other than that its netflix time

[jade hazel]

I’m like 702ish

[lusty grotto]

if you dont have a myth shield, sure

if youre opening vaults as arms, then sure

[fluid widget]

I channel step 2 a lot

[lusty grotto]

if you cant kill myth loomi, then sure

[jade hazel]

ty

[lone dirge]

hi! im stuck with a 665 shield and cant seem to get lucky enough for a better one to drop, should i craft one to replace it?

[lusty grotto]

read up

but yes shield should have been first craft

[spice iron]

Is there any tip for how to survive the tank buster on Soulbinder? I had to switch to the Soulbinder defensive trinket, and even after slamming every single defensive I can still feel myself clenching diamonds and drop down to sub 15%.
When I'm in melee range I can use Victory Rush in the last two ticks, but if I'm at range then I just hope and pray

Mythic that is

[lusty grotto]

mystic lash?

look at the pinned reflectable guide

i basically spoiled for you with that but

yes

the first thing you should check on tankbusters is always Sense's sheet thats always pinned

and always updated

[spice iron]

Does that negate the entire mechanic, or am I missing something? I use Spell Reflect, Defensive Stance, Shield Wall, and mash Ignore Pain, and on the last one or two ticks of the spell I use Victory Rush in melee, and I still drop incredibly low each time.

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs

[spice iron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j3TF1rb248zd9YmN?fight=last&type=damage-taken

[mortal cypress]

How do Other tanks live that when they cant reflect?

[lusty grotto]

the fuck i know

im in ecodome so let me finish

[drowsy shale]

is your group hitting extra canisters making a large heal absorb ;o?

[spice iron]

Yeah, it was quite messy from point to point. First evening on the boss, but I think the kill wasn't all that bad with cannisters if I remember correctly

I did at least not notice a heal absorb when I was dropping low. In some pulls I died by three Phaseblades still being up as I was taking the Lash, but even in the last pull I still dropped really low each time

[bleak parcel]

Is idol+tome better than pacemaker+tome? Sims say the latter but idk

For keys

It's not worth canning tome I'm sure for prio dam

[lusty grotto]

its fine, just remember you cant block during the channel

i aint wasting time farming it though

[drowsy shale]

tbh shield wall into a late reflect should b ample

[azure crag]

When do you taunt on king salad bar?

[spice iron]

That's why I'm thinking that I'm doing something wrong, because it was incredibly the amount of damage I was taking

[drowsy shale]

other thing is kinda dont want to be tanking adds if youve got the debuff, debuffs physical taken aswell

[spice iron]

Yeah co-tank is AoE totem taunting during the add phase as I'm taking the Lash

[frosty mango]

Are you not using spell reflect on it

[spice iron]

Might still out-aggro him due to dps difference, but I haven't noticed anything egregious on that fight

[frosty mango]

Or demo shout?

[spice iron]

I'm using Spell Reflect, but maybe too early? I'm not using Demo Shout for it

[frosty mango]

When I look at mystic lash with sr aura up i don’t see any but im on mobile

But it doesn’t look like you have sr up for it

[spice iron]

Is it a timing thing to get the actual reflect off, or is it just for damage reduction during the cast itself?

[small steeple]

@shut summit is the 🐐

[frosty mango]

It’s a deflect so it will block a stack I believe?

I’ve never really put much thought into it because it didn’t seem too tough to deal with

[small steeple]

typically, it will deflect the first instance of damage, and give the 20% dr for whole duration

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j3TF1rb248zd9YmN?fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=3&ability=1237629&sourcebuffs=23920

he def didnt SR any

[spice iron]

Are you serious? Jesus fucking christ

[frosty mango]

I can’t see the graph to see when he pressed it

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter i filtered to lash with SR on, and there's nothing

[spice iron]

Does it make the entire thing free, or? I'm 100% sure I used it at some point during the evening, but obviously not when it mattered I guess

[frosty mango]

Well based on pins

You do appear to be using it during the lash

But it’s really hard for me to see on mobile

[small steeple]

looks like SR was up for it?

wrong spell reflect aura @lusty grotto

[frosty mango]

That’s what I see

[small steeple]

shield icon is for reflect part only, other is the DR

[spice iron]

Oh thank god
I would've been so angry at myself if I casually forgot to press Spell Reflect for the entire kill

[frosty mango]

If you’re having issues surviving that I’d suggest moving demo to it as well and funneling rage into ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

i stand corrected

[frosty mango]

But I don’t think that’s necessary

I’ll look closer when I get on my pc but we one shot that boss in mythic and I don’t recall the tanks health being particularly rough

And I’ve tanked like 5 straight stacks on heroic

[lusty grotto]

we one shot it as well but im not sure if our tank SR'd or anything

[spice iron]

I swapped out my Tome to make every other cast more manageable, and on the first and second set I can use Victory Rush, but on the third onwards we get the knock backs at the same time, and then it's essentially just clench and pray

[small steeple]

Not playing pwar sadly this season cause raid lead wanted me on ppal, but this was the log of our scuffed ASF kill. Looking at it, you took less damage than I did
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4HYD1k6hKPavfCmX?fight=10&type=damage-taken

[frosty mango]

You also didn’t health pot or health stone it seems

[small steeple]

well, I am Bad

[frosty mango]

Not you

lol

[small steeple]

lol

[solid sun]

Am I just not challenging myself enough or is it actually kinda tough to die on brewmaster

[small steeple]

Thats kinda the whole point of brew, damage is spread out so mucch its easier to keep healing it

[spice iron]

I did for the previous pulls, but it was really all over the place to be honest

This was the rest of the evening:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j3TF1rb248zd9YmN

[frosty mango]

Pre 12-13 yes its basically impossible

You have to try

[solid sun]

That's so funny

[lusty grotto]

our tank def SRd every single one

[spice iron]

So just not enough healer love, or? The Brewmaster also really felt the damage on that one, compared to the usual busters we've had so far

[lusty grotto]

could be

[small steeple]

I mean, the problem with Mystic Lash i just how it scales every hit too, so you kinda have to hold a defensive for later half, or make sure its up whole time

so SR, use after first hit

cause both are 5 seconds

[spice iron]

Lash also lasts 5 seconds?
I guess Shield Wall and Spell Reflect time out for the last tick or so then?
So take the first two guilt free, and then use the mitigation?

[small steeple]

SW was 8? I thought, but yeah, every second Lash hits, for 5 seconds, for a total of 6 I think

[drowsy shale]

SR deflects one of the hits so use it later into its cast

shield wall lasts the whole thing

[vital vale]

why does my team keep dying to burrow charge in 2nd boss arakara. is there something I can do to prevent it

[spice iron]

Do I take less damage if I wait for 5th/6th tick with Spell Reflect, rather than having the 20% DR through the entire thing?

[drowsy shale]

idk didnt do the math i use on 4th/5th cause the ones that hurt is later

[warm plinth]

No, the person being targeted with it either needs to use a defensive or if they have a movement ability, they can dodge it

[spice iron]

I saw someone else the other day recommend to just send both cd's at the start and not worry about it

[drowsy shale]

Both probably work fine

We had issues with it hurting until the absorbs where sorted out once that was fixed I really haven’t noticed that buster being a problem

[frigid plume]

i think the damage of both will be similar? either way if you wall, d stance, and SR at all and still spike low/die then its out of your hands and its a healer issue

[drowsy shale]

Pretty much

[frigid plume]

the lash most likely to be an issue is the one right after the knockback so you could always ask for an external for that one

[spice iron]

Yeah that one's the one I use shield trinket for, but overall I'd really enjoy to go back to using Tome instead of a defensive trinket

[drowsy shale]

Not the best at logs but if your under shield wall SR and needing to use trinkets aswell I’d guess it really is absorbs you shouldn’t be getting/healers not getting it off

[frigid plume]

it doesn't look like ironbark or guardian spirit are being used for anything in specific atm so i'd prob just run tome and call for ironbark there instead

[spice iron]

The resto druid was swapped in at the last pull from feral, so I'm unsure if we'll 5 heal it again or not. Guardian Spirit is something I can try to call for though

[frigid plume]

okie, can also ask for sac but it looks like your pally likes using it for stuff already

[edgy flint]

Usually I survive by stacking up IP right before, shield wall and SR last second to survive the dmg. You can also try to pop a def pot. Make sure to also spec into taking 4% less magic dmg on ur tree.

I also run tome tho and pop the def side of it around the second one. I just save it when I got a couple minutes before it coming up so idk.

[mortal cypress]

I assume you guys are talking about Mythic right?

[spice iron]

Correct

[mortal cypress]

figured as much 😂

[mellow bridge]

That's def not necessary nor a good idea

Sw+SR and some IP easily takes care of lash

[lusty grotto]

i agree with muyuu, not necessary at all

if you slightly stagger SR into Wall you should be fine

like they were talking about later

especially with demo/punish stacks on and with keep your feet off the ground

4% isnt gonna do shit

[shrewd grove]

Question for you Nim. When you hit TB, do you wait a sec to see if 4pc procced and waste ~half a global, or do you send a cast of something else and then hit the TB after if it reset? It's best to wait a sec yeah?

[lusty grotto]

i send SS right after

i dont wait

[shrewd grove]

Okay okay. Gonna try that on and see how it feels

[weak cedar]

hey guys, im using the "spell reflect essentials" weakaura but it keeps saying REFLECT when the spells arent even targeted at me

is that normal?

[lusty grotto]

idk, i dont use it

[edgy flint]

Oh Lash, I thought they said breath.

[lusty grotto]

im not sure if Roid is awake but he could answer you

let me check

@frosty mango SR essentials question from waiko

figure you have more experience with that

[jagged pier]

Just how it works nowadays from what i know

But i suggest u get used to not having it anyway, as blizz are gunna start nuking WAs anyway

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto the moment I learned that at some point I should probably start using a defensive on gloom bite

[stuck basin]

in next addon... why would you set yourself on disadvantage not using was right now...

[jagged pier]

ive never used it

i known what the big srs are and what targets the tank

[undone verge]

I use a Shieldblock tracker weakaura, but it really doesnt do anything, I just like looking at it

its nice to see 16 seconds remaining of shield block before I get oneshot by a missed taunt

[frosty mango]

wat

oh

[frosty mango]

sometimes it can be, if the spell is something you can reflect that is an aoe

for example arcing zap in eco dome

it will still show

but it should only display if you are the target otherwise for targeted spells. some spells cast while still targeting the tank but hit other people, not much you can do for those

[weak cedar]

ahh

that makes sense

thanks

[frosty mango]

If theres specific spells you dont want to pop up you can change this to player

from soft friend

or alternatively you can set load to non for that specific spell

[indigo hawk]

Yes blizzard really missed here because for a lot of cast, the mob will focus the tank for all his cast (so spell reflect WA get triggered) but at the last 0.1 sec of the cast the mob change target and focus someone else… idk why they do that but it’s a big problem

[frosty mango]

They changed it in shadowlands I believe specifically because of the second boss of nec wake if I recall correctly

I remember it was an intentional change

I could also be misremembering it’s been some time

[indigo hawk]

I played a bit in SL and I don’t remember having this issue

[lunar flare]

God I hate this so much

Why do they do it

I’m casting on you… haha get tricked bozo

I’m actually killing your healer

Hehe

[indigo hawk]

The solution I got for this issue is to look one by one on the WA for every spell and see if it only trigger dps or tank. If you only play tank, you can just delete those spell so you don’t get baited by the WA.
The problem is you had to do that for every update of the WA…

[lunar flare]

Well if they ban problem solver auras like this, they better at least give us a way to tell when reflecting is a good idea in game

Like glowing the button

Or colouring a cast bar with their new frames

[dim token]

might as well jsut make spell reflect a pvp button

[solid sun]

I feel like the overly vast majority of the time I have a good idea when spell reflect should be used

And looking at a few of the other people that are in this channel quite a bit, some of them were mentioning they don't even use the spell reflect helper weakaura and seem to have pretty quality success with it

Not to say it couldn't be improved, but it definitely doesn't appear to be some sort of particularly convoluted situation from what I can tell

[lunar flare]

It’s not convoluted for experienced players, no

But it could stand to be more intuitive for newer players

To make it easier to learn when a good time to press might be coming

I guess you can just blindly press it in a lot of trash packs on CD and be fine for most the time

But that feels like the equivalent of button mashing in a fighting game

Even just giving the casting mob a coloured outline or something

That’s my ted talk for the day, time to eat a croissant

[still crown]

Why not update it yourself and repost it with credit to the original maker

[indigo hawk]

The problem is not how the WA prevent you, the problem is blizzard don’t show the real target from a spell, and that with many experience as you can have, you will never know if that spell gonna go on you or not

Exept for spell that never trigger tank or never trigger dps/heal

[lofty glen]

why are randoms so bad. halls, priory and dawn are not puggable on 12+

[lunar flare]

Because I don’t want to

And I don’t think weakauras can modify models in game like that

Or any addon for that matter

Even if they could, I’m not doing Blizzards job for them

[still crown]

👍

[neon elk]

Because they are random? Xd but dawn is very pugable just need to get past first boss

[dim token]

given slam is above thunder blast, its correct to keep slamming if i get the reset and let thunderblast overcap?

especially in execute i execute + slam above using thuner blast?

[blazing ridge]

I often slam 2-3 times in a row when I am sitting at 1 Stack of TB if I get a 2nd TB stack after a slam I usually use the 2nd Stack first before more slams

Dont overcomplicate so much, just send Execute and often you have to Slam and TB anyway to get your next Shieldblock or w/e

[dim token]

well i feel like im constantly struggling between these 3 buttons

they're up at the same time so often that im a bit lost

like my dps is still okay and im not dying, just not sure whats the most dps

[blazing ridge]

I would say most of the time its SS since it gives a lot of rage

And as long as you dont have 2 TB Charges its fine to sit at one

But I feel you sometimes it hard to get those execute in, when lucky with resets

[jagged gust]

2 TB > SS > 1 TB

[grizzled orbit]

im trying to sim my prot warrior but im failing so hard, anyone wanna help me?

[remote sparrow]

What amount of Haste are we aiming for? I have so much of it and I think I need to swap some gear to drop it but it is a stat we love. I'm at like 42% and with Into the Fray I'm up to around 50%

[jagged pier]

20-25k rating

[jagged pier]

delete the custom toe script

[grizzled orbit]

whats that? 😛

[mild swallow]

do you guys violent outburst on shield slam regardless of the number of targets or do you thunder blast it sometimes?

[rain light]

Blast on aoe

[jagged pier]

well if u dont know what that is, then just put it into raidbots and press run sim

[jagged pier]

SS ST, TB with tier buff on 2 ore more, normal TB on 4 or more

dont send it on TC

[grizzled orbit]

i did but getting 404 error 😮

[jagged gust]

4 targets? That sounds pretty high

[jagged gust]

they meant tome

[stuck crown]

Rallying Cry question, should it be used before or after the damage event its meant to cover?

[indigo hawk]

All Time before

[atomic sparrow]

Why trinkets like Tome of Light's Devotion with any fixed stat are considered better than ones with it? Example one offers you 7000 strength all the time on top of the bonus effect. What's the point of replacing a gear piece only because of ilvl then if the primary stat is so redundant?

So in my opinion trinkets like Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker or Cursed Stone Idol are much better

[jagged pier]

well thats why u sim trinkets have other effects, which arent obvious what they do at a glance

where pieces of armour dont

so its quite obvious that more strength is better on a piece of armour

but on trinkets maybe not thats why we sim it depends on how good the other effects are

[wispy moth]

I was asking my self about shield specialization talent : they said that it give 16% more block value. But in my stats, it only give 4% block value (~9% in crit block) so, does it really that strong ? How did they calculate those numbers ?
Does it more flexible to not take this talent and switch between exec / BSV / ravager nodes ?