protection

[mighty valley]

roughly a 10

[tribal wharf]

cuz i had ran those dungeons a billion times over

[round pendant]

10s feel a lot easier now than 20s did in DF

[solid sun]

We cant be too elitist

[round pendant]

but maybe I'm just better now

[solid sun]

We engage in some buffoonery

[mighty valley]

little of both, the last two seasons especially have brought down difficulty

[orchid narwhal]

Yea buddy if you didnt tank uldir 25 man heroic when you were 6 eyears old, don't talk to me about hard ok

[warm plinth]

No one that was telling you to do 20s back then was elitist though yogi. As one of the people who was pushing you to do them, we were just trying to get you to push yourself

[mighty valley]

remember when people tried to be elitist about classic, that rules

[warm plinth]

There was no negative connotation involved

[solid sun]

The classic player base is something else

[round pendant]

yeah all I've seen here is people telling yogi to be less anxious and just go for it cause it's easier than he thinks

[mighty valley]

“You babies are about to learn what the game was like when it was HARD” all raids are cleared ten minutes later

[round pendant]

that's the opposite of elitism

[warm plinth]

It's so common in games to have this stupid us vs them bullshit. It's very exhausting.

Like why can't I just like what I like, and you like what you like, and we're all just happy because we're having fun

[tribal wharf]

i suck terribly at video games at horribly misuse items that arent flatly spelt out for me

example doom time, sorta cuz yogi

heretic

undead warrior knights

[round pendant]

People generally consider high keys to be ones where your decisions on talents and routing start to actually matter for timing a key

[quick berry]

So at what point are you thinking I need to cast revenge?

[round pendant]

in 20s you could just get away with a random talent build and W-keying

[tribal wharf]

so, this is doom with a medival skin

[round pendant]

that doesn't mean they're "easy" since you still need to basically know your class to not fall on your ass as a tank

[tribal wharf]

except its better than doom, anyways,

[round pendant]

so I don't think it's elitist to say 20s aren't high keys either

[warm plinth]

All my cooldowns are pressed, Shield Slam and Thunder Clap are on cooldown. I don't need to press Shield Block right now. I have rage available. I don't have an Execute target. I'm going to cast Revenge.

[round pendant]

(or execute)

[jagged gust]

And then you have 2-3 different sets of talents competing for the exact same key level anyways

[tribal wharf]

there is an item i get and the item states something along the lines of "you become ethereal and slip out of reality" (totally butchered it)

[solid sun]

I think I’m going back to dps next season

[warm plinth]

fixt

[tribal wharf]

and the axes he throws are considered a physical attack

[jagged gust]

NGL I fucking hate tanking this season

[quick berry]

So based on what I was reading, why not IP to burn the rage?

[tribal wharf]

and that item would make the axes go right through me and deal no damage and contine traveling along its path

[solid sun]

I’ve been tanking every season since SL season 1

I’m tired, boss

[tribal wharf]

i was getting this effect confused believing this entire run i just did

[warm plinth]

Because you press IP when you're going to overcap rage if you don't. In that scenario, I am not at risk of overcapping because everything is on cooldown.

[mighty valley]

you want to press a button in every available gcd to try and get more shield slam resets

[tribal wharf]

that it was for magical damage reduction, so i would turn the item on mainly vs the obvious wizard men in the game

[warm plinth]

If I was at like 90 rage, I could do both revenge AND IP

[mighty valley]

if you overspend on IP and can’t press anything at all, that has cascading bad effects

[warm plinth]

so that I could dump a lot

[quick berry]

Ok that's making more sense

[tribal wharf]

so like, OF FUCKING COURSE, im going to fuck up something in wow, that isnt blatantly spelt out for me

its just, theres no way its NOT going to happen

[warm plinth]

It only seems complex because it's happening really fucking fast during actual gameplay

But it's simple once you break it down

[jagged gust]

Being in the situation where 3/5th the people I play with are competent tanks has made being a DPS player too easy, I'd probably still be tanking if I was a pugger

[round pendant]

yeah I'd say s1 10s were pretty comparable to old 20s

[warm plinth]

Now can we ask the real question here? Will they ever fix target dummies so they don't keep you in combat prison half the time

[round pendant]

now it's prob like 12s

fwiw I think it's good like this

even 12s feel easier in some ways since there's no affixes

[quick berry]

Yeah as a new tank it's a little overwhelming specially managing all the other stuff to but it's really fun learning

[warm plinth]

I've been sitting here for 10 mins talking to you fine folks and I'm still in combat

[tribal wharf]

that being said, i saw something about uh, i guess it's beluar, and he's talking about that spells that are more deadly will be a thicker casting bar with more little things on it

[mighty valley]

yeah I think it’s ok that the max gear rewards are in reach if you’re just generally decent at m+ and don’t have to go higher

[quick berry]

I feel like I'm defaulting to revenge to much

[tribal wharf]

so thats a nice fix

[round pendant]

And? so what? you learn from it and go again and you're suddenly better at the game

[warm plinth]

I still do that sometimes just from colossus habits

[round pendant]

Don't be so afraid of failure yogi

we believe in you

[mighty valley]

Same

[jagged gust]

Revenge really baked itself into my brain after two seasons of colossus

[tribal wharf]

this is what i mean, this is a very good step (probably)

[quick berry]

Right cause I dabbled In it last tier and played all Colossus

[round pendant]

Yeah it's a great change

will still need a WA to recolour casters/prio/etc mobs

but it's a good start

[sweet summit]

good evening ghash the mastery propagandaist how are we doing today

[round pendant]

the default UI is literally unusable in m+

[jagged gust]

Though tbf revenge still has its place, closer to TC than it used to be

[round pendant]

imagine if entering combat reset your CDs and running 10 yards away reset them

[warm plinth]

I'm doing okay for the most part. Supposed to go to a child's birthday party in like 4 1/2 hours that I really don't want to go to and realistically don't have a reason to go to but at the same time I feel social pressure to go to and social anxiety ABOUT going to. So in short, not doing super great at the moment.

[round pendant]

just don't go

[warm plinth]

They should just have like instanced dummies with an NPC and you can tell the NPC what kind of dummy/dummies you want, how much health they should have, and have a CD reset option

[jagged gust]

Brother I would rather do my taxes than go to another kid's birthday party

[warm plinth]

Would be sick

[round pendant]

imagine if you could set target count up to like 20

holy

[warm plinth]

yeah

[tribal wharf]

what i would want but wouldnt make any sense would be like, melee monsters have a sword beside them and casters have a staff, and if they attack or cast fast its 2 weapons or a wand and like maybe tank healer icon, all of them sit to left or right of name plate

[warm plinth]

like how many you want, should they attack, what k value should they have by setting difficulty

[warm plinth]

This is the likely result

still in combat btw

[tribal wharf]

maybe a bow icon for very rare obviously bowmen

[round pendant]

yeah I've thought about that too

instead of colours they could do icons

[warm plinth]

On the other hand, I don't think people in general want a lot of clutter on the nameplates. Generally you want only very important information to be there

[tribal wharf]

so it's like, i know before i enter combat there is 2 melee and a caster mob in thiis group

[round pendant]

also some way to indicate whether some attack is magic, reflectable, bleed, whatever

[jagged gust]

Yeah too much information makes your brain short circuit

Stop paying attention to anything because it's all white noise

[round pendant]

I mean it would be nice to know if something's a caster vs a shooter

also fucking hell they need to STOP with these leaping mobs

[warm plinth]

Honestly I'd love a revamp on nameplates in general because my biggest frustration is trying to target the right fucking mob to kick while my nameplate I'm trying to target is bouncing around like I'm on hyper mode in a pong game

[tribal wharf]

intially i was just going to simplify it as sword for phsical attack focus, staff for magic, and something healy for healer

[jagged gust]

Ping pong nameplates is too real

[round pendant]

every dungeon with my friend is me and my friend malding because the mob we went to kick's nameplate moved and dodged it

[mighty valley]

this is part of why blizzard has been trying (and failing) to make it appealing to pull smaller in m+ lol

the forest of nameplates is v bad especially in default ui

[tribal wharf]

the mode where the name plates are like shifting and moving up and down, thats the one i hate lol

[warm plinth]

It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't though, because if you use overlapping nameplates, how tf do you find it

It's just in a giant clump of nameplates

[shrewd grove]

This is why I do focus kick macro

in big pulls

[jagged gust]

Giant clump of nameplates, can't even see the mobs in most pulls

[warm plinth]

I do as well, but sometimes the situation calls for an emergency kick not on your focus target (e.g. a pug kicked your focus target and left another mob unkicked)

[round pendant]

I'd like nameplates that "overlap" but offset the nameplate by some multiple of however many mobs there are in combat

[warm plinth]

Hear me out though

[shrewd grove]

This is true

[round pendant]

rather than dynamically adjusting

[jagged gust]

Just attacking boxes for 30 minutes straight

[warm plinth]

Let us have nameplates (and names) fully disabled, but if you lose aggro (or gain on non-tanks), the nameplate shows up. And if a mob casts, a clickable castbar shows up

[round pendant]

literally just give me a stacked list of mobs above the group of mobs

[shrewd grove]

You want raid frames in dungeon

[warm plinth]

I think you used to be able to just have a list generate on the side of your screen of all the mobs you're in a fight with (think like boss frames)

[shrewd grove]

Tbh would be sick

[round pendant]

ffxiv has that

[warm plinth]

But they took that functionality away from addons

[round pendant]

but ffxiv dungeon content is a joke

[warm plinth]

But it would be great if you could just have the list

no jumping, clearly see if a mob is casting

[round pendant]

tbh I wonder if you could make a plater addon that does what I said

[warm plinth]

It would be awesome

[round pendant]

say you pull 5 mobs

it just offsets their Y height by X * 1-5 on each mob

and then you set it to overlap

it'd functionally be stacking nameplates but they wouldn't change places

but it'd look a bit goofy on the X axis

[warm plinth]

You can set overlap offset but I do not think it's possible to change that offset based on target count

I dont' mean it's not possible in plater. I mean I don't think it's possible because you just can't do that to nameplates

[round pendant]

should be possible, since it's possible to get engaged mob count in lua

[warm plinth]

Nameplates are one of the most restricted elements of the UI in general

[round pendant]

but idk the restrictions on nameplates yeah

[warm plinth]

I'd imagine there's probably like you can't change offset in combat or offset can't dynamically update or something like that

[round pendant]

I just want the fuckin things to stop jumping around man

[warm plinth]

Like you can't even check range anymore directly. You have to do it by using a spell's range

[round pendant]

the amount of times I go to kick a mob and one of the mobs just walks around me for no reason and the nameplates all shift and I kick some random mob

[warm plinth]

yeah

it's very frustrating

[round pendant]

and I've noticed it more this season that mobs never fucking stop moving

[warm plinth]

Right? Like you're still as a statue and they're just meandering around for no reason

[round pendant]

like why do they just randomly decide to walk off to my sides lmao

so I backpedal

and then my friend misses his mouseover kick

[warm plinth]

And you'd think it'd be easier on a ranged dps, but on my hunter you should see me like looking up at the fucking sky trying to find a nameplate 😂

[sweet summit]

don't go... you should log on and do more priory runs i think

[warm plinth]

I already got tome though

on my third run

[sweet summit]

oh damn

[warm plinth]

I do still need pacemaker though

I'm using this guy rn as my second trinket

[sweet summit]

i love when trinkets split damage just for fun

[warm plinth]

Yes, 542k is FAR TOO MUCH damage

Must split it

2 whole procs per minute btw

[sweet summit]

incredible

[warm plinth]

A whole 18k dps 😱

[jovial reef]

that change has been so bad and annoying, everything splits and at best it does a tiny bonus dmg for each target hit to offset the lower hit on the maintarget

[warm plinth]

we gamin

[jovial reef]

whoah there buddy, gotta scale down text size on deja xdd

[warm plinth]

yeah ngl I just noticed that

[sweet summit]

40% haste! watch out for the IRS they will come steal your stats!!

[warm plinth]

hmm it might be because of my general font settings actually

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's without ItF even

[jovial reef]

"do you have any idea how fast your gcds were going?"

[sweet summit]

LOL

[warm plinth]

There's max ItF

[sweet summit]

that is very attractive

[warm plinth]

I've never felt more appealing

[tribal wharf]

ahh very nice you have a 3080

[warm plinth]

What's funny is I actually do have a 3080

[balmy narwhal]

Is there a spreadsheet for m+ saying at what time we should be at each boss otherwise key is dead

[orchid narwhal]

Depends a lot on group comp, how fast you guys are, where you lost time etc

[high latch]

Not that I've heard of. I don't think it would make sense because it depends on route.

[orchid narwhal]

You get a feel for it as you do more keys

I've seen somebody wipe cinderbrew 16 4x in a row and time it, but if you're wiping even once in a pug, key is probably dead

very dependent on group skill level

[balmy narwhal]

ok, ty

[round pendant]

yeah trinkets haven't felt good since grieftorch

oh that chat was old

mb

[warm plinth]

I was just letting you do your thing lol

[quick berry]

I was just saying this for the millionth time this season, all the mobs have fucking happy feet

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/xDwo.gif

It makes perfect sense that I move, mobs move. But if I'm still, there is no reason a mob should ever move

Huh, just learned something by accident

Apparently violent outburst doesn't get consumed by TC unless you actually hit something with it lol

Not relevant but interesting

[sweet summit]

you still get the extra rage ?

[meager elbow]

Hi, I'm starting to push 14s and I still have some crests left for upgrade but too many options and I'm not so sure how to do with Trinkets. I understand it's good to have a defensive trinket (brand or tome or codex) and an offensive one like pacemaker. Right now I'm using Tome and Pacemaker but I also have Soleah's technique, Ritual Mud, Codex, Signet of the priory. I feel like my stats are ok: 22k haste, 12.7k crit, 2.2k mastery and 13k versatility, are they? I have some options so I can move things around. thanks

[jovial reef]

the best is when the mobs keep moving until they eventually start hitting you in the back if you let them

[meager elbow]

are you saying this to me? I'm not asking what's the best

[warm plinth]

Yeah, though with TC that's what, like 2 or something

[jovial reef]

not you, no 🙂

[warm plinth]

And you wouldn't want to send a TB proc on nothing

[sweet summit]

oh TB gets consumed, but not TC?

very epic

[warm plinth]

The TB itself gets consumed, but not the outburst

[sweet summit]

ooohh

[mighty valley]

Tome and pacemaker are likely the best

As for stats, just sim all your gear for info but try and keep haste high

[warm plinth]

I would not define brand nor tome as a defensive trinket. Codex isn't even in the conversation as it's utter dogshit. Mud, nucleus, and embrace are the defensive trinkets of the season (at least, the only ones even worth being in the conversation of defensive trinkets). I would suggest tome+brand, and you can use mud instead of tome if you feel you need a defensive trinket.

[meager elbow]

Ok I see, thanks for the the insight, I don't have brand yet so I guess I'll keep Pacemaker and Tome for now, I'll keep simming and see from there

[warm plinth]

Yeah pacemaker and tome is solid for sure

best combo overall from dungeons anyway

[meager elbow]

bot why would soleah's technique be so popular? It's pretty easy to move stats around so I'm guessing people are using it because they're missing some stats?

[warm plinth]

It's just a solid trinket, as stat sticks generally are

[meager elbow]

ok thanks I feel better now with my tome + pacemaker choice 😄 I'll probably spend my crests on trinket or set pieces just to be sure

[elfin elk]

Guess Im out of Priory jail since Tome is simming lower than the Projector trinket from Nexus King

didnt even realise that trinket was particularly good

[mighty valley]

What sim are you doing? Tome does less overall in aoe for sure but usually better prio damage

[elfin elk]

5 min 1 target

[mighty valley]

Huh neat

[fluid widget]

Interesting

[elfin elk]

I can post the log if you want

[fluid widget]

And very surprising

I’d be interested

[elfin elk]

its Droptimizer so it might be completely cooked

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eTJpdPcR6dUvZJp4Lxd2vB

[jagged pier]

thats a very weird ST build

and blue numbers menas no difference

[elfin elk]

running this in M+ weeklies

I just thought Tome would clear it by a mile

these damage on use ones tend to be fairly shit

[jagged pier]

but build matters and char matters thats not how u would do the most damage in ST

because the build is different fromwhat you would sim for ST in term of talents

that can change how good pieces are

[chrome falcon]

I would also say you don't really always need one defensive and one offensive trinket. I'm running brand + pacemaker in 16s and i feel fine

The defensive options this season are, frankly, fucking dogshit

[jovial reef]

mud ❤️

[chrome falcon]

mud is mid

like i know we're never happy to run defensive trinkets but

[elfin elk]

Fair shout, what would you change in the build? Its my first season as prot warr so I was just messing around a bit

[chrome falcon]

the ones this patch really do not inspire joy

[elfin elk]

the 'def' trinket off the third boss depresses me

[chrome falcon]

yeah that trinket needs literally a 500% buff

it's very weird

[elfin elk]

Like I swear even the bombsuit trinket from gally is better than the myth track version of that

its completely useless

and is almost guaranteed to show up in my vault every week while I fish for tome

[jagged pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bJpkCYy3sALr4LYWi2HMhj just for instance this is projector vs tome ST build and sim 5 mins

for my char at least

now if i was to replace brand with project it would probably show as an increase, droptimiser is great but it also doesnt show u which trinket its replacing in a sim

[elfin elk]

Yeah Tome sims higher for me with that build as well

back to the mines :sadge

[jagged pier]

i mean it doesnt matter that much if u are just gunna run m+ thats trinket is probably better over all in m+ anyways

[elfin elk]

You mean tome or projector?

[jagged pier]

projector u arent gunna be running ther st build in m+ and boss fights arent 5 mins lon

[elfin elk]

Cheers ty very much ❤️

[fair beacon]

Got a question: when doing hardmode Tazavesh, the bosses drop heroic loot, what rank is it? rank 1 or ...?

[stone moat]

1 afaik

1/6 hero

[cunning inlet]

@chrome falcon do you use a defensive trinket on Captain Delcry ? I’ve not always had the best luck with healers on that one if I run out of defensives. I could be just playing it wrong though.

[chrome falcon]

i haven't worn a defensive trinket all patch

if i was going priory 17 i probably would wear mud or something boring

just shield wall every bleed and then if you don't have shield wall use demo shout and a bunch of IPs

run thunderlord on that boss and you have demo shout constantly because it's two targets

dailcry is significantly harder if you go left ofc

[final gust]

me when I dwarf the bleed

[chrome falcon]

because the healer is going to be much more busy with the group

[jagged pier]

Left

[chrome falcon]

yeah i haven't gone left all patch

[cunning inlet]

I go left lol.

[chrome falcon]

but if you were, it'd be harder

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[chrome falcon]

if i was going left i would wear defensive trinket

for sure

but also i just would go melee comp + resto shaman in that dungeon then go right

tell the group you're holding for battle cry

let them figure it out themselves

[cunning inlet]

👍

[chrome falcon]

going right makes the boss so much easier

like taener does literally nothing

cast (kickable) and swirlies (dodgable)

compared to a tankbuster that your healer has to waste GCD dispelling

and giant group nukes that kill people

[jagged pier]

But matta the io ppl go left, so i must go left too

[chrome falcon]

io people most certainly do not go left

do they???

[jagged pier]

Some do

[chrome falcon]

yikes

[jagged pier]

Its why some groups demand u go left

Even in 10s

[chrome falcon]

route made by bored healers or what

[jagged pier]

Got removed fromna group cause i said i was going right

[cunning inlet]

😂

[wind whale]

i'm only running 10's but what is so difficult about going right anyway?

seems fine

[cunning inlet]

Fire when the stops get missed ?

[jagged pier]

Because it technically takes longer

Because more footman

And u have to move a bit on the first boss

Thats literally it

[wind whale]

gotcha

[mighty valley]

if your group can’t bait or kick for shit, right can go bad lol

but what if

dps learned

[chrome falcon]

if your group can't do either of those thing you're cooked anyway

[cunning inlet]

What if people learned. What a beautiful thing it would be.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[cunning inlet]

lol

[frosty mango]

Left is healer misery

As a healer I can confirm it’s way more likely people will die left past like 14

People will usually kick some of the fireballs

99% chance if someone gets the leap during aoe they don’t defensive and die

Even if I’m doing 4-5m hps they still just….die on that overlap

[ocean smelt]

@pashalik Pug DPS don't consider the kick as "nothing"

They will literally tell you that you make the fight harder

[fluid widget]

Why is left healer misery? I thought right was with people taking fireballs to the face

[frosty mango]

Because the right side miniboss when in the boss fight has a pulsing aoe and overlaps with the boss leap

You can’t avoid it and at a certain level it becomes a hard heal check

[fluid widget]

Ah right and lining it up with the earth shattering spear probably doesn’t feel too good

[heady turtle]

Is Fueled by Violence bugged?

[jagged pier]

No

[strong forum]

not aware of any bugs

[past locust]

anyone got a smart way to taunt on nexus king?

[dim token]

is miniscule fixed? i found its simming way lowre now

[graceful mason]

Taunt any time while he's casting.. he'll still finish his ability on the other tank

[jagged gust]

oh they fixed FBV?

wait nvm was thinking of BV

Did they ever address BV not working with a good number of abilities?

[wintry bough]

Hey guys anyone got an idea why the top players are stacking vers atm? I’ve seen most just go even with the vers fiber on cloak for some reason as well as taking duskthread over dawnthread

[lusty grotto]

same reason they do it every season

[wintry bough]

Its just until they get gear and then move to crit?

[lusty grotto]

by top do you mean keys?

[wintry bough]

Yes, not really looking at raids

Kira for example plays full vers

[lusty grotto]

yeah so r1 players swear by it but depending on the damage intake it may be required due to infinite scaling

its not something we should follow

we're not in that level of the game

[crude spoke]

Yeah Vers is DR and with scaling will be needed for survival at high keys

[wintry bough]

Yea I agree 😂

[lusty grotto]

they do it just in case

but honestly they might not even need it

its just something they do every single season

[crude spoke]

Also true

But having some vers never hurt anyone..

[lusty grotto]

sure

i have some

but everything has haste crit, where i can afford it

[warm plinth]

Like keep in mind that for a mere 10% DR from vers, it costs you 15,600 rating

[lusty grotto]

[crude spoke]

True but then you also have double dmg % for that dr

[warm plinth]

and that's the 1st DR gate, so anything past that will cost even more

Or no, that's 20%, nvm

Yeah, sure. But you could get that same damage from crit for less rating

[lusty grotto]

also remember they are pushing r1 keys while being ilvl capped like the rest of us

so they are trying to squeeze in whatever they can

capped as in

held back

not as in 6/6

[warm plinth]

idc if you pick crit or vers personally; stopped fighting that battle a long time ago. They're comparable in damage and if it gives you a feelgood for running vers, by all means

[crude spoke]

and I think that the most correct analysis

[warm plinth]

even if you don't really need to

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not our first rodeo with versa dicusssions in this channel lol

[weak snow]

antenna or pacemaker same ilevel?

[lusty grotto]

sim

[slender bison]

Remember BFA when you couldn't step into a high Underrot without versatility

[azure crag]

I just try to keep vers and crit semi even, cause that's what the sims say does the most damage

[tacit smelt]

has sense updated his spell reflect spreadsheet for s3?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[jagged pier]

yes

[tacit smelt]

Nice

[lusty grotto]

it has been updated since week 0

ptr even

[echo egret]

Is there a know way to ensure the trade game in Streets doesn't bug out ?

[lusty grotto]

if you find out lmk

at least the initial handout has bugged for me

[frosty mango]

Yeah let me know too

I’ve bricked 3 to this

Seems to do it if you go too fast, I notice it bugs if I pick up the item and leap>run to vendor

But that may just be bias I have no data to prove that

[ruby musk]

Do y'all do the forgemaster or the priest route in Priory (12)?

[lusty grotto]

i do right

[ruby musk]

Forgemaster is just pull where he is and walk backwards to avoid floor pools?

[lusty grotto]

not even

shit is easy

pools arent a big deal now

[ruby musk]

Hmm I should try it then.

[lavish onyx]

One more 13 till 3k

Kill me now

[round pendant]

I gotta re-do my whole keybinds

[blazing shuttle]

Which one?

[round pendant]

I'm so tired of avatar being alt+5

[lusty grotto]

mine is ctrl + r

[round pendant]

that's trinket for me

I gotta redo the whole thing

cause sub rogue just breaks my fingers

my opener goes like 1 shift+f 2 r f 6 q 4 lmao

like typin a password

[dusky pulsar]

Hello fellow unstoppable walls of plate

Does anyone have any good tips for handling aggro in mega-body BL pulls in high keys?

I feel like on the big BL pulls, e.g the Arakara opening pull, i struggle with people tagging early while i'm body pulling, or bursting high when i'm building aggro, so it is EXTREMELY spicy and i often get someone killed

[lusty grotto]

if people are doing that in high keys, they arent meant to be in high keys

we have more initial threat than vdh's as thane

they should be used to it

[dusky pulsar]

Yeah the former issue (people tagging or healing while i'm still bodying) is REALLY annoying, i guess that's a separate issue tho

But i definitely feel like i'm panicking sometimes when the pull is done and i'm fighting for aggro

[round pendant]

they're pumping too early

[dusky pulsar]

I mean

I am VERY happy to blame DPS in this case then lol

I just assumed I was doin something wrong

[round pendant]

no one should be pressing ANYTHING until you're all at the miniboss

pretty much

90% of cases of lost aggro are just people pressing shit way too soon

and then making the tank shit themselves and then it snowballs

[dusky pulsar]

Haha

Yes this feels right

[round pendant]

(I usually just let them die tho)

[dusky pulsar]

Ok this helps a lot ty gamers

[dusky pulsar]

Honestly who even needs them

I do enough damage with 4set

[round pendant]

[dusky pulsar]

This is my first season tanking big gamer keys so i'm very in my own head about doing a shit job lmao

[lusty grotto]

what level are these big gamer keys

[dusky pulsar]

Well big for me, 10-14

[mighty valley]

you should press something generally if you’re going a long distance, don’t just literally body pull

[lusty grotto]

that explains a lot

[mighty valley]

don’t want to lose aggro to a single auto after a kick or a tick of a hot

[round pendant]

yeah ofc you should do your best to hit everything with something

but not really feasible in ara kara big pull

[solid sun]

-# just don't do the AK big pull

[mighty valley]

yeah there’ll be some stragglers, just making sure he’s not just walking all the way and hoping for the best lol

[dusky pulsar]

This has been my adjustment yes

[round pendant]

if it's happening in other big pulls in other dungeons you should prob reconsider how you're actually gathering the mobs

[dusky pulsar]

Arak is the roughest one. I think Halls trips me sometimes because of those 2 little fucks that walk up and someone always snags them first

[round pendant]

yeah you gotta hang around for a few seconds

[dusky pulsar]

Yeh learned that the hard way

[dense lion]

Anyone have sources on stat caps? I can't find when we hit DR on Haste

[round pendant]

ignore it

haste is always good

(sim is better)

[lusty grotto]

you wannat stop at around 27k unbuffed

[median swift]

Hello, are the phaseblades in Eco-dome just slapping hard or is there something wrong with them?
Its the only mobs in there i "struggle" with.

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats normal

wait

phase blades?

[median swift]

Oki, just catches me by surprise every time.

Wastelander Phaseblade

[lusty grotto]

sentinels are what hit hard

not phaseblades idk

[dense cradle]

if people start hitting mobs before the first arakara mini

do you guys just let them die

🤔

[lusty grotto]

yes

fuck em

[dense cradle]

same

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs, cause they dont really hit hard

arcane slash from sentinels is what trucks

and the puddles from them

but other than that, no

are you getting back hit by any chance? cause thats the only thing i can think of

[undone beacon]

The phaseblades do have an attack speed buff they give themselves so if your SB falls off or you combine it with a bunch of other damage sources it can get hairy

[median swift]

Most prot warriors has melee from Phaseblades as the single most damage taken 🙂 So seems like they just slam a lot and much 🙂

[hard cipher]

Wym

[median swift]

Look at the melee dmg fro mthe phaseblade 🙂

[lusty grotto]

ok that would make sense why im not seeing big damage from them

can you link a log?

cause if your SB is dropping

and youre getting back hit

you will get slammed

[hard cipher]

Idk atleast for 15 dome phaseblades doesnt feel

Like shit

[lusty grotto]

i dont even think about them

[median swift]

I dont have it logged sadly 🙂

[lusty grotto]

up until now

like they are 🤷‍♂️

[undone beacon]

Yeah the buff they give themselves is called Alacrity, it’s a 30% attack speed buff. Nothing super threatening but if you’re caught with your pants down it’ll be noticeable

[hard cipher]

Sentinels hits like fucking truck and im like kill the fucker already

[lusty grotto]

yea

i mentioned that

kinda feels like hes not managing SB correctly

[undone beacon]

My biggest issue with Phaseblades is when I’m trying to pull them in a pack and a ranged tags one and it shadowsteps to them first

[hard cipher]

Probably

[hard cipher]

Happened too many times

[lusty grotto]

prot 101: keep SB up, as a prio over all things (and dont get backhit cause you cant block from behind)

[hard cipher]

Fucking pepegas

[undone beacon]

“Tank?? Aggro?? Tank??”

[median swift]

That might be it too 🙂 I was just curious 😄

[hard cipher]

I wonder how many weeks still no ire

[undone beacon]

I swear some of these pugs have that on a macro

[hard cipher]

Fml

[lusty grotto]

i just laugh

and keep going

[undone beacon]

I haven’t seen one drop on any difficulty meanwhile alt tanks in our guild are rocking heroic brands smh

[hard cipher]

Same, even have cleared hc with my tank alts

No lucl

[lusty grotto]

it'll be a while till i get mine

[undone beacon]

I need to do heroic on my bear since it looks like I’m gonna be swapping to that for prog

[lusty grotto]

but im not stressing over it

[chrome falcon]

16 dawnbreaker

30 seconds overtime

[lusty grotto]

rather keep running floods i guess

[hard cipher]

I mean I will get antenna like in 2 months if no vault

[lusty grotto]

oof

[chrome falcon]

becasue blizz asked 3 dps

[hard cipher]

Probably

[chrome falcon]

to click 1 barrel

and they couldn't do it

clicking 1 barrel

between 3 dps

is just too hard

so we wipe on a +16

dps are queueing for 16s when they're so bad they have to stare at their frames to play

frost dk

[lusty grotto]

doesnt surprise me

[chrome falcon]

and can't see if there's a barrel about to kill the whole group 5 yards away

[hard cipher]

Maybe I just blast LFR hoping for warband ire

[lusty grotto]

not worth

over hero pace

its like a 0.1% difference

[hard cipher]

Yeah

Shit game

[undone beacon]

I’m running myth tome and hero nucleus on my warr rn

[chrome falcon]

if i ever equip nucleus i'm deleting my character

[hard cipher]

I havent even got tome for warr

So unlucky

Over 100 runs m+ since season started 🙂

[undone beacon]

Still haven’t procced nucleus cheat so it’s just free damage. Better than anything else i had on hand

[chrome falcon]

it's not free if it costs you 7k main stat

like any dogshit trinket with main stat is better than a cheat death that isn't proccing

[undone beacon]

Nah its free damage and I like it so whatever

[dense lion]

I don't think it can be simmed, would you guys stick w/ a pair of Champion tier Soul Hunter boots or stick w/ a higher ilvl Heroic pair?

[undone beacon]

Ilvl is better than boot effect

[lusty grotto]

i would do hero tier

[chrome falcon]

DH boots probably make you tankier, ilvl is more damage, just go ilvl

[hard cipher]

Warr doesnt even need cheat death

[lusty grotto]

only way i would run hunter boots if it was hero track or higher

[dense lion]

I don't think it even affects the cheat death...just the shield effect from abilities happens more frequently

[chrome falcon]

if you're not pushing then wear whatever obviously but that cheat death trinket is absolutely awful

[chrome falcon]

correct

[lusty grotto]

yeah theyre talking about something else

[chrome falcon]

if they reduced cheat death CD they'd be crazy

[lusty grotto]

2 conversations happening at the same time

[dense lion]

🙃

[median swift]

What's the normal uptime on SB? Had 83% for that dungeon 🙂

[lusty grotto]

90%+

as close to 100% as you can possibly can get

[undone beacon]

It’s really not “absolutely awful”. It’s middle of the road for sure but it’s not nothing. Better than a lot of trinkets, pretty solid damage proc on it. Obviously ideally you use other trinkets but I dont have a pacemaker lol

[lusty grotto]

dont run ITF if youre under 20-21k unbuffed haste btw

[undone beacon]

So I will enjoy my nucleus

[chrome falcon]

a cheat death trinket that you are not proccing and doesn't have main stat is absolutely awful

[undone beacon]

Whatever man I’m not gonna argue with you about it lol

Solid B-tier trinket, I like it, easy game

[lusty grotto]

i agree with Matta, but we've been through this discussion a billion times in this channel

so 🤷‍♂️

[kind urchin]

I usually end with about 98-99%.

[chrome falcon]

that's fine i'm not attacking you i'm attacking the awful trinket and blizzard's decision to put like 3 dogshit tank trinkets in the raid and also the best tank trinket of the last 3 expansions

like what is the trinket balance this patch exactly

for tanks

for anyone actually

how did we go from bombsuit to whatever that thing off soulbinder is

it's baffling

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

there's some questionable design choices

and there will be more now that Scarizard is gone

[chrome falcon]

i think they could buff soulbinder trinket 300% and it would still be bad no joke

[lusty grotto]

at least brand is stellar

[chrome falcon]

was shocked it didn't get any tuning in the "final trinket tuning pass"

[undone beacon]

They should take Loomithars Living Silk and make it a prot warr ability ez

[chrome falcon]

yeah and then brand is just busted

[chrome falcon]

amen

[lusty grotto]

but it could be worse, like undermine, just one trinket and its a defensive one (well we had other 2 but everyone else wanted them)

[chrome falcon]

do we think that mdi is going to be 5x loomithars or something that trinket seems wild for keys or what

yeah trinket balance has been dogshit this whole expansion tee bee aitch

i hope we keep getting trinkets that yell at us to chainpull though

#fuckrogues

[placid crag]

Hey, is critical strike prio among versatility or is it vers first ?

[lusty grotto]

ideally yes

ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery

all of our stats are good though

[placid crag]

I've seen some high keys players running vers over crit so i'm wondering

[lusty grotto]

start here #protection message

and this #protection message

everyone else just copies when they dont need it

[terse flame]

Is anyone else having issues with threat? I keep getting aggro in raid after co-tank taunts. If it was just one tank, I'd get it - but 7/10 Heroic MFO pugs I've run this week I have had to hold back a lot when it's not my turn

[lusty grotto]

no

[placid crag]

Yea, i'll keep my stats at where it is for now lol
Thanks

[chrome falcon]

depends who you tank with

[glad obsidian]

verse is taken for stuff that you can't parry but only when you have boats of crit and are dying

[chrome falcon]

i rip if i hit a bunch of tier procs in a row sometimes

[jagged gust]

Damn word filters, I ain't writing that out twice

[mortal cypress]

were u being naughty William?

[chrome falcon]

do you guys think this will work

[lusty grotto]

outside of the usual playing with tanks that dont know their class and cant play for shit

sorry i was mid key run so

happens every season

check their talents they are usually running some m+ build or some shit

and/or have shit weapons, wrong hero spec, pressing the wrong buttons

[jagged gust]

I was making a comment on how to co tank when you have big peepee damage but alas the phrase is banned

[mortal cypress]

not everyone has a big peepee so it might make others sad

[jagged gust]

luckily mine makes everyone laugh

[mortal cypress]

the 2 inch punisher

[warm plinth]

give the fella a chance

[chrome falcon]

bro

that's ME

[warm plinth]

well

It would work on me

as we can see

@chrome falcon WE DID IT

[frosty mango]

This is just pug life

[fossil nimbus]

My cotank is a VDH and it's almost always a 2-taunt swap, else I have to throttle.

[drowsy shale]

tbh it happens alot imo threats wacked

[lusty grotto]

nah

[slim chasm]

How much haste do we want? What's the 100% uptime amount? 22k?

[lusty grotto]

vdhs are just dogshit

[slim chasm]

As a long time VDH player, i cna confirm VDH is dogshit

[lusty grotto]

27k

half of the players are playing reaver

in raids

when they should be FS

[slim chasm]

Correct, I also play reaver because brain off is quite enjoyable LOL

[lunar flare]

How to get declined to any key: a guide by Mattacate

[slim chasm]

++ if you're not sending stuff on CD every time it's a DPS loss to play FS. (Which it seems like is impossible to get into the head of some players)

[lusty grotto]

but your reaver burst cant compete with thane

[fossil nimbus]

Which dungeons is Sudden Death + Heavy Handed worth? If any.

[slim chasm]

Why do you think I'm playing a warrior now? I take INFINETLY less damage and do WAY more dps

[lusty grotto]

you could be a fotm reroller, we have a lot of those on occasion

[slim chasm]

I am. 100%

I have played VDH since Legion, one tier for Nzoth I played BDK but been playing VDH otherwise. I started playing warrior cause they BLAST right now and actually have really enjoyed the playstyle of it

[fossil nimbus]

My squad forced me to play warrior this tier because they got tired of my bear getting out-dps'd by the healer 🙁

(I mained prot war in TBC, so it's fine)

[lusty grotto]

have you tried dotc?

[chrome falcon]

they said "monk" in the title so i went for the moonshot

[fossil nimbus]

Heresy. I've been a laser bear since Legion. (I haven't played bear this season, I hear dotc is pretty neat)

[jagged gust]

How come first boss of hoa adds sometimes die, sometimes dont?

[chrome falcon]

they will always die unless you pull them

if you pull them they're real mobs that give %

but you shouldn't

you should just wait for them to die to rp

[fossil nimbus]

I watched Kira pull them into boss in a recent vod, but I didn't notice that they gave count.

[jagged gust]

ah no kidding, yeah I just charge in after full clearing

[lusty grotto]

so you play the garbage spec

[jagged gust]

Then had one happy time where they respawned after dying doubling their count

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

anyway going back to vdh

i have 0 problems holding my own vs thanes

[chrome falcon]

if that happens they do not give count

[lusty grotto]

on my alt

people just dont know how to play

half of those reavers dont even know order changed after glaive

[jagged gust]

Nothing better than holding your GCDs for a good 5 seconds then popping a single TB and aggroing 5 mobs mhm

[lusty grotto]

this literally happens every season

[chrome falcon]

gonna go try halls 17

[lusty grotto]

without exception

[chrome falcon]

wish me luck

[lusty grotto]

best of luck matta

[jagged gust]

godspeed

[flat stratus]

hey guys , should i changed the belt for a 710 belt ? sims says higher dps but does the haste proc around 40% uptime is better for higher keys ?

[lusty grotto]

obey the sim

but yeah if you have SB gaps, keep the delve belt for now

if you dont, then obey the sim

if i hit 15 floods tonight im gonna be very upset

fucking tired of trinket farming

at least sacbrood was done quick for my fury build

[jagged gust]

Ive been rocking idol+antenna since week 1

Idol is the scariest trinket Ive ever used, but damn good damage

[wraith ibex]

What is a respectable percentage of shield block uptime in a raid fight?

[lusty grotto]

90%+ effective on logs

[mellow yoke]

best raidbots settings for simming (dungeon top dps)?

[lusty grotto]

i dont know about overall aura uptime though

could vary a lot

as long as you have it while getting hit and actively tanking, you should be okay

[lusty grotto]

5 target patchwerk 1.5 min or 1 min

[mellow yoke]

ty

[wraith ibex]

thanks

[lusty grotto]

if you have logs, just go to damage taken

and put your mouse over blockable hits

if you have 90% on the little modal that pops up, you're good

[chrome falcon]

how the fuck do you ninja pull

the downstairs huntmaster + gargon pack

during the right side shard pull

how????

on a 17????

logistically i don't even understand how you do that

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[mellow yoke]

i'll tell you if you tell me how you ninja the pack below the demolition duo 40 seconds into the fight (the one you usually do not pull)

[chrome falcon]

equally good question

[jagged gust]

hoa always comes back to little fear mob shenanigans

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

lets talk about death coil

[warm plinth]

I tanked a 12 and 13 today

[lusty grotto]

good shit ghash

[mellow yoke]

why is your name scientifically wrong

[lusty grotto]

its not

[warm plinth]

Do you wanna fuckin fight

I will fite you

right now

[lusty grotto]

its scientifically right

[warm plinth]

🥷

I got my nunchucks

let's go

[mellow yoke]

mastery hater

wont get the chance to critically block if mobs die before they hit you

ez

[warm plinth]

It's not intended to say you should stack mastery. It's just a meme response to all the people coming in here acting like the sky is falling because they have 10k mastery

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-nunchucks-martial-arts-gif-17295474

[mellow yoke]

really doesnt matter unless you are actively pushing 0.1 % tbh

[lusty grotto]

??

[warm plinth]

bruh this evoker was pumping???

1.13 mil dps? I didn't know healers could even do that anymore

[mellow yoke]

evoker healer has most dmg

out of all i think

I think farseer sham is behind but the healing on that is balls

[chrome falcon]

evokers can burst like fucking crazy

[mellow yoke]

why does

everyone hate

priory book

It cant be that bad

[lusty grotto]

is this guy 1guying

[mellow yoke]

what

[warm plinth]

I think he might be

[mellow yoke]

what is that

I've been in this discord for 6 minutes tell me what does that mean

[mortal cypress]

you are a troll

[warm plinth]

Like you see one person in a comments section or a discord say something, and you embellish it to be "everyone"

[mellow yoke]

sadly it's not one

I took mythic tome and people been bashing me for that

[warm plinth]

oh idk then. I don't see it here. Every now and then someone will ask why we recommend it when it sims worse than x trinket in aoe

[lusty grotto]

then they are fucking stupid

[mellow yoke]

saying it sucks and u cant really keep the stacks on it but I got 90% on the crit side

[warm plinth]

but it's because it's one of our best ST trinkets

if not the best

[mellow yoke]

raidbots

also sims it up badly

[lusty grotto]

no it doesnt

the APL is from us

[mellow yoke]

It's telling me to play so leah or sacbrood instead

of it

[lusty grotto]

are you simming aoe or something

link sim

[mellow yoke]

1min 30 5 target patchwerk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/frMv2r6CuF36Y6KhJVnkUd

[lusty grotto]

1 sec in the middle of a floodgate

[mellow yoke]

kekw

[lusty grotto]

seems accurate

its only 1.5% behind

but still should be used over soleah

[mellow yoke]

also how much haste are u guys running

[lusty grotto]

as much as we can

[warm plinth]

all of it

[undone beacon]

At least 7

Maybe 8

[mellow yoke]

fair enough

play stupid games win stupid prizes

atleast this discord is cool

not like the paladins one

where i said i was doing tank dmg pre retri nerf in raid and a guy told me to kms

[jagged gust]

pink warriors

[undone beacon]

More like stink warriors

[mellow yoke]

this sim is telling me to go 9k mastery instead of my casual 2k

something is wrong

[lusty grotto]

nothing is wrong

[jagged gust]

Sims really like mastery after a point, more AP more big dam

[mellow yoke]

but less haste

less shield block

[jagged gust]

yeah, sims are a bit at odds with haste this xpac

you want more than they want

[lusty grotto]

yes the APL has haste numbers for perfect SB rotation at that interval

and yes you should def go more haste than what it suggests

but it aint wrong

on you should go mastery after haste

[jagged gust]

gearing fury/prot has never been easier!

[lusty grotto]

also, you need to consider that keys arent perma aoe, boss fights exist

which is why tome should be used over what is suggested there

anyway 2 more before i table flip and go watch a movie or go get drunk or something

[chrome falcon]

god

nothing is angrier than a dh who rips aggro and gets 1 shot

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

also nothing is funnier

[chrome falcon]

well actually the tank who has to listen to the dh whine constantly about them ripping aggro and getting 1 shot

and is literally being told "taunt" 3 seconds before every pull

[lusty grotto]

well, ret pallies doing that is funnier i guess, but thats about it

[chrome falcon]

is angrier

[lusty grotto]

oh

lol

[chrome falcon]

like jesus man

dh players

actually 0 braincells in that eyeless skull

[lusty grotto]

his fault for being an idiot

[chrome falcon]

like

do people think that flaming their tank

for 5 minutes after their deatht

is going to win them the key

fuck man pugging halls is so hard

i must have failed on +16 20 times already

[frosty mango]

I bricked a 16 last night because the dk gripped a mob to me on second pull of flood

And I was rooted

So the other two he didn’t grip just went and clapped the healer

[lusty grotto]

just dwarf 🙂

i make jokes

[lusty grotto]

cause im doing run 14

[frosty mango]

I linked the route before the key, the mob he gripped wasn’t on it

[lusty grotto]

what in the fuck

[warm plinth]

[frosty mango]

I asked nicely for him to not do that and homie went berserk lol

[warm plinth]

Do your route properly smh

[lusty grotto]

lmaoo

[frosty mango]

Tbh worth the brick just to collect that screenshot

[warm plinth]

In the 13 eco I did, I completely forgot a pull next to 2nd boss

had to make it up on the fly at the end x_x

[plush tendon]

Is that English?

[warm plinth]

hm?

Oh, in the screenshot

I assume english as a second language

[zenith aurora]

My favourite part about tanking honestly. It was better when there was no deserter but whatever. Don’t like my route (which is linked so you can see it) then enjoy queue simulator.

[frosty mango]

It’s Englishish

My primary issue wasn’t that he did it

It was that I wasnt expecting it and it wasn’t on the route which I linked

[chrome falcon]

FINALLY MAN

finally halls 16 done

my hand hurts

like actually i think 2 straight hours of attempting halls

perma chain pulling literally just 2 hours in combat

might have hurt my hand

blasting though bruv

[dapper widget]

[solid sun]

Congrats

I can't help but notice the warlock isn't in there

[dapper widget]

i started tanking in s1 since my friends needed it and one of the best perks of being a tank was just leaving whenever someone got nasty

knowing i have another group in 30 seconds

and he will sit in dornogal for the next 30 minutes

[lusty grotto]

dont be an asshole

thats not a perk

people like you is why they had to put this system in

[chrome falcon]

yeah if it's only one toxic dickhead

i just play better than him

and the rest of the group thinks i'm cool and he's cringe

works every time

shaman is uploading the log from that halls 16

i'm interested to see

if i'm actually washed

i think i wasted hella rage

[dapper widget]

im a very nice guy wdym

[lusty grotto]

same to this guy

100% an asshole

thank god they put it in, so people like you get screwed over

[chrome falcon]

tbf

that shit doesn't even work for that purpose

[dapper widget]

i think its more about people insta leaving key after one death

[chrome falcon]

one person can still just grief key

and there's no way to report them

[chrome falcon]

but those people can just afk at the entrance

and what are the other 4 meant to do

just do the key alone?

[solid sun]

You can report them

[chrome falcon]

now they all have to sit there for 5 mins waiting for abandon timer if wipe on first pull

[lusty grotto]

you can 100% report them

during it

after that you will have to do the chat -> deranking shit

[chrome falcon]

i guess we'll see if literally anyone ever gets banned for it

[dapper widget]

the answer is no

[chrome falcon]

did blizz confirm that's what the deranking report is for

like

[lusty grotto]

does it matter?

[chrome falcon]

deranking is for reporting people inting their pvp rating no?

[lusty grotto]

deranking reports have been in game since BFA

i know cause i fucking report every single one of the fuckers that leave on a timeable key

and have been

and its the reason why i have a blacklist

which i no longer have to use

[solid sun]

There's a text box that goes with the report. You can type out what they're doing even if it isn't 100% lined up with what the report subject is

That's what I do when someone holds my key hostage

[chrome falcon]

i've also been known to say some unkind things to people who grief my keys so uhhhhh

occasionally hesitant to hit a chat report

i mean like maliciously grief

[lusty grotto]

i feel like youre talking about a different thing

oh

yeah thats fine

[chrome falcon]

yeah i mean like

yeah

i am dogshit

[lusty grotto]

just hard inting

[chrome falcon]

i would never flame someone for making a mistake

yeah like inting inting actually intentionally not just missing a kick

[zenith aurora]

Entitled to your opinion

Im not someone who would insta leave, and I haven’t intentionally griefed any keys this season (unintentionally by being bad I’m sure yes). But there’s a certain level of tolerance I had for dps whinging about route, pulls, etc.. if it got too much, wasn’t about to stick around and deal with abuse.

[lusty grotto]

"whining"

have you tried

turning off chat

so on a whim

you just leave

see why that's wrong?

what if someone says "my favorite color is red" and you take "offense" on that

[zenith aurora]

You might need to look up the definition of on a whim

[dapper widget]

and also you can call it being an asshole but im not gonna finish the key for dps player telling me to rope it after meaningless mistake too bad

[lusty grotto]

"oh let me just leave cause im a tank and fuck em"

[chrome falcon]

dps are legitimately early primate level iq and healers are only slightly better, sometimes you just have to ignore everything they say and go time the key anyway

[chrome falcon]

what about the other 3 players in your key

[lusty grotto]

you guys are so delicate lol

[chrome falcon]

who all think that dude is cringe as fuck

but they're only going to remember the tank

who actually left

[lusty grotto]

theres a difference between someone fucking saying shit in chat vs what Matta is describing

[solid sun]

If there weren't other people in the key that get screwed by you leaving I'd feel differently, but there are, and it isn't right to screw them over just because someone is hurting your feelings

[lusty grotto]

words dont hurt you

they hurt your ego

which is made up by your mind

turn off chat and get over yourselves

[chrome falcon]

some ratfuck dps flaming you the whole key is annoying as fuck

and makes me play worse

[lusty grotto]

right click -> ignore

[chrome falcon]

but you just keep playing, blast some fucking thunderclaps

time the key

call them a nerd

[sick merlin]

This is why I only group with non-English speaking server dps

[lusty grotto]

i dont even ignore the fuckers, i just let them yap

[chrome falcon]

and move on

[sick merlin]

I also just never look at chat, even if it’s a healer begging for mana or a rogue begging for a combat drop

[dapper widget]

unfortunate but I had tanks leave my keys after some pea brain 2k dps started going NUTS on them and I mean wishing death etc and i dont blame them one bit, thats too bad

[drowsy shale]

whats procing the minimailemental trinket is it just heroic throw or

[chrome falcon]

bleeds

[drowsy shale]

really ;/

[lusty grotto]

nah it doesnt proc on bleeds anymore

[chrome falcon]

what does this mean

[lusty grotto]

afaik

[chrome falcon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n6TBkcJx9fzH1jq3?fight=4&type=damage-taken

[lusty grotto]

also its nerfed, so you shouldnt use it

what am i looking at

[chrome falcon]

oh sorry

i thought

yeah ignore

i thought i was looking at melee

that's just all damage

[lusty grotto]

oh

[chrome falcon]

wow i only got 75% blocked hits this run

that's actually

disgusting

i am washed

[lusty grotto]

no

[solid sun]

You're still washed

You just aren't as washed as you thought you were

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that got your effective block down was this

[chrome falcon]

why am i getting a different number to you

[solid sun]

You were getting shot in the back

[lusty grotto]

looking at the wrong thing

[solid sun]

That's rough, man

[lusty grotto]

you got a 100% on MS

and a 100% on Stone Fist

shoot is the one youre not blocking

gotta face em

same as the priory guys

[chrome falcon]

i thought shoot just targeted random dps

whoops

that explains that

[lusty grotto]

yeah youll shoot up if you face em

and get that melee block up, which should be easy for you

[chrome falcon]

not sure why melee was low

groundskeeper or something maybe

oh actually

[lusty grotto]

could be back hits

[chrome falcon]

i think it's the little guys in 2nd boss

when i shout them to group them up

they just tickle me in the back

[solid sun]

don't let it happen again

How much damage did your spell reflect do on the thir boss

[chrome falcon]

i have no idea how to check that

i got griefed off 2 reflects

oh wait SR shows in logs these days

god bless

180m to third boss

[solid sun]

6 hits

So much damage per successful reflect

Feels so good

[chrome falcon]

i have my priorities in order

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n6TBkcJx9fzH1jq3?fight=4&type=casts&source=4

this is more revenging than i thought i was doing actually

i wonder if that's too much

wait is this log bugged

why is it saying i presed shield charge once the whole key

why is details saying the same thing

[lusty grotto]

you can expand melee and check where youre down

[chrome falcon]

dude i think i pressed shield charge once that entire key

is my bind broken or something