protection

[lusty grotto]

you didnt take the right build

[remote hollow]

it had the free execute procs picked

[lusty grotto]

cause our key specs do not have sudden death (SD)

[remote hollow]

floods, mind sharing build? for m+

screenshot would do fine

[lusty grotto]

wowhead

go to the right section which is M+

[solid sun]

Fake it ‘til you make it

[jagged pier]

its fine in weekly keys

[lusty grotto]

dont overcomplicate it for him

[remote hollow]

i mean, im not bad at the game in general, im just learning pwar

[lusty grotto]

there's absolutely no need for him to play it and neither builds have it on our guide

[remote hollow]

build i ran m+s

[lusty grotto]

brother

you didnt copy any wowhead builds

[remote hollow]

then i dont remember where this build came from..

[lusty grotto]

thats straight from archon

[remote hollow]

not gonna even lie

[lusty grotto]

ok then

go to wowhead

and into our guide

[remote hollow]

already did..

[lusty grotto]

and into talent builds

[remote hollow]

hope this one right

[lusty grotto]

youre not pushing keys so no

but it can work

[remote hollow]

i mean, i would like to push

[lusty grotto]

you need to learn the class first

[remote hollow]

might be rough to swap mains but, yeah i would love to try higher m+ as pwar

so far i like how it plays

fast paced, good damage/surv

[lusty grotto]

try the vault build

first

[remote hollow]

gotcha boss

[drowsy tartan]

Is it worth changing the ones in green to the red ones?

[lusty grotto]

no

[remote hollow]

just curious, why does m+weekly takes a execute nodes when u dont take free execute proc node? like idk if i would be even pressing execute right times

[lusty grotto]

if you need better SB management just swap ITF for HR

instead of that bolster pick, thats cursed

[lusty grotto]

cause mobs are executable

and you can spread the damage out in reverse funnel

especially little guys

and it fucking trucks

[urban bane]

"reverse funnel" xD

[remote hollow]

reverse funnel stands for.. u press execute on low guys and use 70% spread to smack big guy right?

[lusty grotto]

you cleave to everything else yes

youre reverse funneling

[urban bane]

just call it cleave you numbskull

[remote hollow]

ahaha

[sharp gale]

Fun fact in season 1 at one point bm did more damage from reverse funnel, beast cleave did more damage than actually hitting the main

[lime mantle]

Should I spam execute when vs <6 mobs btw?
It's my second source of damage so I am pretty sure I am over spamming it somehow.

[lusty grotto]

yup

[remote hollow]

its just funny how does it sound

[lime mantle]

I hear and obey.

[old flame]

The only time you're overspamming Execute is if you die tbh

[fallen marlin]

I did 10 key with 670 item lvl and its kinda easy or i have good item lvl ?

I come back in wow after long time

[lusty grotto]

you can do it at 670

big shield certainly helps

[fallen marlin]

So i dont know 😅

[lusty grotto]

but we did 12s at 680s on first week

so its possible yes

[fallen marlin]

Niceee

[lusty grotto]

and not rare at all

[ionic gorge]

is dancing between defensive/battle stances key to being solid at this spec or should i always be in defensive?

[lusty grotto]

always be in defensive

[ionic gorge]

because im seeing both ways played in higher keys.

[drowsy tartan]

It is not worth using this talent for what reason?

[lusty grotto]

you only battle stance in raid when youre not actively tanking, but its such a small optimization that you dont really "need" to do it

[urban bane]

hah sure but calling executing a low health mob to cleave onto others "reverse funnel" is hilarious

[lusty grotto]

extremely minimal dps gain, not worht a point over other talents

[ionic gorge]

wanted to check since ive seen high keys go back and forth between the 2 effectively and looked fun and was thnking about trying my hand at it

[lusty grotto]

why are you making a big deal about it, its literally reverse funneling, thats what execute with sweaping is called and the context of that entire fucking conversation was "funneling"

[drowsy tartan]

can u share your build pls

[lusty grotto]

fuck off museless

[urban bane]

Whoa hey Nimchip

We don't roast here

You said it yourself

[lusty grotto]

we dont roast logs

please keep up with the context, youve missed it twice already

[urban bane]

Nimchip you're so easy to bait

[lusty grotto]

wowhead protection guide

[urban bane]

a little rat

scurrying his feet in the air

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

thanks for keeping me up there ❤️

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-speech-bubble-foolmeister-gif-27387876

you need all the help you can get

[lusty grotto]

and the help is appreciated

mostly because its free

[urban bane]

there's a good lad

[shrewd grove]

What a weird choice, to try and agitate one of the guys who's in here day after day helping people. Why would you come in just acting like a giant fucking baby @urban bane ? You just look like a dumbass bro

[urban bane]

I am a dumbass so it works out 😌

[shrewd grove]

We can tell

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-baby-cry-gif-13060743193639102619

[shrewd grove]

Found a live stream of @urban bane

[lusty grotto]

chill its fine, we had some actual questions

[urban bane]

You caught me :)

[final gust]

Hey when do I use shield slam is it after Pwarr discord stops being a mess

[shrewd grove]

Gotta wait for mods to close the channel

[lusty grotto]

its friday, so we can meme 🙂

[warm plinth]

Listen I'm dealing with the dbd meltdown currently. I can't deal with a skyhold meltdown too

[urban bane]

haha i pick on nimchip and we call it a meltdown?

guys come on

chill out

[shrewd grove]

I think everyone in here is big chillin

[warm plinth]

It's a meme folks.

[shrewd grove]

When is the chat not kind of bullying people?

[warm plinth]

Just a little joke

It's okay

[shrewd grove]

I thought it was war 😞

https://tenor.com/view/pitchfork-joel-mchale-let's-go-gif-4823800437700507777

[nocturne spindle]

meltdown?

what did i miss

[sterile orbit]

||gay if read||

[round pendant]

what's happening in dbd

[shrewd grove]

Fuck. This is how they finally got me

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-love-kiss-gay-love-gay-kiss-gif-3893057616089989221

you had to read it to write it

[warm plinth]

They announced a bunch of anti slugging and anti tunneling changes for the upcoming ptb

[round pendant]

idk what that means

[warm plinth]

Basically nuked two ways that killers apply pressure

[round pendant]

I never played dbd cause I can just tell that game would piss me the hell off

[warm plinth]

There was some compensation but dbd is a very polarized game.

So naturally everyone is losing their minds

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/if-those-kids-could-read-gif-5323175107042953208

wtf

that's not the gif I wanted

the preview only showed the second half

[round pendant]

that makes sense

[solid sun]

It looks bad

And scary

Lethal combo

[tawny wadi]

Is it normal as a 688 ilvl tank to get obliterated on the darkfuse Jumpstarter mobs (x2) before end boss in floodgate +10? Im using shield wall, IP, pot, spell block and it's still happening

[jagged pier]

nope

[solid sun]

You ain’t using spell block

Promise

[uncut burrow]

Haven’t had those issues and sounds anomalous if you’re staying out of stuff and maintaining mitigation

[tawny wadi]

I may have time it for a specific ability?

[solid sun]

Probs spell reflect

Or shield block

[tawny wadi]

spell reflect*

[fallen marlin]

Em i only one who still playing on classic ui i mean i hate all thouse wa shit and ppl say that is the must now to have

[lusty grotto]

you can play default

just make sure you have an easy way to track SB/outburst etc

[solid sun]

Weakauras are a powerful tool

[orchid narwhal]

any log reviewers present

[tawny wadi]

You're probably right, for some reason I thought they got rid of spell block

[solid sun]

They did

[lusty grotto]

thats the point hes making haha

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

cause you mentioned it

[tawny wadi]

Im a scrub

Clearly lol

[solid sun]

Just some light hearted humor

[tawny wadi]

Just curious, what's your prior def rotation on those mobs?

Prio*

[solid sun]

On a 10 cycling through reflect and walls works fine

They don’t hit that hard and don’t live too long in my experience. On a 10

[tawny wadi]

My healer was disc 694, pain supping too

Gotcha, thats fair

[nocturne spindle]

shield wall right as the first cast of sparksmash is finishing or whatever its called happens

[lusty grotto]

a log might help us a lot btw

[nocturne spindle]

itll still be up for the second one

[lusty grotto]

to help you

[nocturne spindle]

do that twice

pray ones dead

[tawny wadi]

Yeah unfortunately forgot to log it 🙁

Appreciate it everyone

[nocturne spindle]

the real strat is ||learn to meld skip it 🙂 ||

[tawny wadi]

Haha for sure

[solid sun]

My war isn’t a melder but my monk is

I could try learning that skip ig

[warm plinth]

I don't even use defensives for most of that pull and never really noticed it hurting that much

[lusty grotto]

why not meld pot tho

[tawny wadi]

Yeah it was weird since I've never had issues either last season too

[solid sun]

I’m cheap

[urban bane]

yea ive seen ppl just meld pot it, just hafta remember to not potion

oh

[warm plinth]

You're not standing in the puddles I assume

[tawny wadi]

Haha definitely wasnt

[solid sun]

I got 40k gold to my name

[warm plinth]

I'll give you some gold buddy

You poor broke bitch

[solid sun]

We out here eating instant ramen and pork and beans

[urban bane]

ice soup 😋

[solid sun]

Meld pots ha.

You know how much life insurance is on a shitty tank player

They’re killing me!

[lusty grotto]

true, in this economy

[orchid narwhal]

Question:

shield slam only ever hits one target right? theres no modifier that makes it aoe?

[warm plinth]

What's your toon name/realm/faction

[warm plinth]

Correct

[solid sun]

Am I about to get banned

[orchid narwhal]

Man, heroic throw only hits one target, shield slam only hits one target

[solid sun]

Mailing me gold and getting me banned for the race to world first next season would be tough

Max would be so mad at me

[warm plinth]

Hey for one expansion we had chain lightning heroic throw

[orchid narwhal]

i just want it to hit like 3 targets so i could pull mobs

then not have to immediately dash to revenge them or smthn

[warm plinth]

The play is you aggro the pack so it comes to where you're tanking and you just get aggro as it's coming in

[tawny wadi]

Haha

[warm plinth]

Hitting more than one target isn't gonna do much for you anyway

[orchid narwhal]

yea its mostly just a pug problem where sometimes u hit a mob and thats a sign for ur dps to go ballistic on the mob, get aggro, then sprint away

[solid sun]

Oh hey

[warm plinth]

It's not their fault. It's in the dps genetic code

[orchid narwhal]

😭

[solid sun]

This past raid night I got 4pc after loomithar. So I swapped from old 4pc to new 4pc and then went to start my next combat and totally forgot what I was supposed to be doing in my new clothes

I stunlocked myself for like 5 seconds

[warm plinth]

You're doing great

[solid sun]

Made me laugh

Okay I shield slammed

What’s next…?

[warm plinth]

Still waiting on that information though

Changing the subject

[solid sun]

Axeceptional on Dalaran

He’s alliance

[warm plinth]

Top tier name tbh

[solid sun]

Ty

[warm plinth]

Will send you a present in a bit

Not an actual present though because bots ruined that for us several years ago

[solid sun]

lol

[tawny wadi]

How much potential dmg is MT thane doing rn overall?

If youre a good tank lol

i.e floodgate

[oblique quarry]

3-4 is what ive been doing, m+ parses are a meme but they're purple lol

[tawny wadi]

Haha! Okay ty

[coarse kernel]

I'm a bad tank that isn't playing for optimal dps in keys and I'm still hovering around 3mil in a floodgate

[solid sun]

I hit over 4 million overall in a 10 priory and I’m still not sure I’m playing super well

Felt pretty nice

[tawny wadi]

Dude well looks like i went from decent last season to the worst tank possible cause I only hit like 2.4mil

[solid sun]

Roid would stuff me in a locker

I think he’s hitting over 5 million

[oblique quarry]

col is very different than thane too

[oblique quarry]

hot damn

[tawny wadi]

Holy hell

[solid sun]

When you don’t do good damage blame it on not having Brand

[tawny wadi]

This^

[solid sun]

And if you do bad damage with brand take it off and blame bad damage on not having brand

[potent anvil]

I did 5.32m in a halls 11

[coarse kernel]

Oh yeah, I don't have Tome or Brand yet

Myth Sac and Hero Seaforium

[tawny wadi]

Im in last seasons gear but I feel thats no excuse for my perfomance

[solid sun]

Speed set undefeated

[oblique quarry]

man, I thought i was doing pretty well but I am now motivated to figure out what I am doing wrong, ive not come close to 5 mil overall in any dungeon yet

[tawny wadi]

Me too

[solid sun]

You’ve found the place to unlock the dammies

[chilly brook]

My best so far is 4.99m

but that was as DH

[oblique quarry]

when i get home ill upload more recent logs and ask for a review

[tawny wadi]

Man this guy has the audacity in a warr discord

[chilly brook]

Brother I've been playing prot since last season of Legion

I need a small break

[tawny wadi]

Haha

[chilly brook]

[tawny wadi]

Deserved

[chilly brook]

my two toons for this season are rogue and dh

I go from pressing mortal strike on CD and shield slamming to having to do quantum physics equations as sub

[orchid narwhal]

laughing it is not THAT difficult

[urban bane]

my brother

sub fun though

nice change in pace from prot

[solid sun]

I really need to find a dps spec

[chilly brook]

Tbf I’m only playing it on a couple fights

But it feels rewarding when you finally get it

[tawny wadi]

2h tank spec

[rancid hemlock]

Coming up on week 3, I've been holding out crafting bc vaults.. no mythic weapon or shield from vault or raid, should I just craft them over belt bracers? Or just keep holding out and praying?

[coarse kernel]

Craft shield

if there's one thing that @lusty grotto has taught me at this point, it's craft your shield already

[rancid hemlock]

Ok, I wasn't sure bc loomithar drops BIS, but yeah I haven't gotten it so I can do that

I was thinking weapon bc weapon affects tclap or am I wrong and that's a bad idea?

[coarse kernel]

You have Mythic Loom in your vault for this week?

[toxic gyro]

Could someone link working WA for burst of power? I cant get it to work for some reason

[weak cedar]

i asked about this yesterday and was told to not use IP unless i would overcap rage, which makes total sense

but i just watched this video and saw him using IP a lot with very low rage (just enough for IP and then run out of rage) https://youtu.be/8hyi54DHJx8

is he playing wrong?

[lusty grotto]

no

thats rank 1 key damage

he has to play in a very defensive manner

but thats specific to him or whoever does that high of keys

that doesnt apply to any of us

i havent watched the video so cant comment on anything else, just what youve stated

[weak cedar]

so if i want to optimize my defense instead of my dps in my own keys, i should play like that?

[lusty grotto]

you dont have to

cause youre not doing 19s

[weak cedar]

im kinda new and only doing 11-12s for now but i dont think ive ever depleted a key because the damage was lacking

[lusty grotto]

youre just gonna be wasting rage best used elsewhere

better you understand how to optimally play outside of infitely scaling bubbles

and then you can move into those bubbles fully understanding

of any compromises that you might need to do in those situations

does that make sense?

its not about damage, damage is a result of it yes

we're not classic tanks

thats 2025 WoW (and WoW in general since legion)

damage is important because its a result of your gameplay

you

that means you

shouldnt use IP at that level

you should use it at 70+ rage

what kira does there does not apply to you (most of us myself included)

[inner tusk]

hello guys if i may ask which is the most dmg/fun build I can casually play prot warrior with?

will it be mountain thane or colossus?

[ruby musk]

With 4 piece and higher apm many consider MT to be fun and is more damage.

[lusty grotto]

fun is subjective

but yes like Coren said, 4pc you go thane for damage

[ruby musk]

Colossus is still fun and its very satisfying to hit demolish and blast that window.

[lusty grotto]

with less than 4pc you go Colossus

thats about it

[ruby musk]

Personally I like colossus more but its hard to argue against a 600k dps increase.

Maybe someday Blizz might adjust it but I wont hold my breath.

[jagged pier]

https://gyazo.com/7b02d2a171aa7e4da96ddf14b8d3fdf5

worst bug

[urban bane]

demon hunter affix holy

though that is one way to reduce spell density

[torpid dome]

@lusty grotto you finally got tome? 😮

[lusty grotto]

yes 26 runs

[torpid dome]

Pog nice! Gz

[lusty grotto]

ty!

[torpid dome]

Im at 12 prio, no tome still, but did get a lucky pacemaker and ritual mud on 5 runs on flood

[hoary spear]

Is MT much better than Collosus for Keys?

I feel I have more fun on Collosus

but I want to remain competitive

[lusty grotto]

with 4pc only

less than, no

[warm plinth]

I'm free

[hoary spear]

I have 4pc

so I shouldn't change to Collosus?

[lusty grotto]

no

[hoary spear]

🙁

Demolish is so fun to press

[lusty grotto]

i mean play what you want

but optimally thane is just a lot more damage specifically with S3 4pc

you can def tank keys as colossus

you will lack nothing defensively

so yes its certainly playable, just at a cost of dps

[warm plinth]

I simmed st the other day and it was like 18% difference

[lusty grotto]

honestly no idea why tier is so heavily in favor of bleeds

instead of... you know

demolish

[warm plinth]

Right

The thing we love about colossus

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why blizzard seems so intent on giving warriors bleed power

[final gust]

was disappointed when I saw Colo tier was all around crit while thane tier was all around... actually doing things

[lusty grotto]

thats Arms included

[karmic stream]

cuz bleed is cool

[warm plinth]

Well, 2nd favorite thing

[lusty grotto]

no warrior likes fucking bleeds

[warm plinth]

1st is obviously 5% size

[karmic stream]

every warrior likes bleed bro

[final gust]

I don't LMAO

[warm plinth]

Nothing exciting about bleeds

[lusty grotto]

hes a low effort troll, dont waste your time

[final gust]

i play Colo to smash, not to bleed things

[warm plinth]

Where do you rate pepega on the scale

[elfin sluice]

hey gang i can't for the life off me find a place where it says what a good dps is for tanking at certen iscores is there a place for that stuff

[lusty grotto]

nah pepega is on a rank of his own

this one is just a troll troll

a very bad one but still a troll

[final gust]

Entirely aesthetic based but I also liked Colo for using revenge instead of clap, because then I actually use my weapon instead of just shield and feet lmao

[warm plinth]

He's like those magicians who give up their life for the act

[final gust]

Thunder blast still blastin but

[warm plinth]

But for trolls

[lusty grotto]

the best thing about pepega is that it makes you think

is he trolling or is this really honest?

the gaslight is what makes him

he can go either way but if he is a troll, hes def the perfect one

[tired forge]

i just opened discord and im seeing the word "troll"being tossed around so i decided to race change to troll

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

Why is floodgate and eco dome on 15/16 a breeze

[warm plinth]

I mean, that's valid

[frosty mango]

But dawnbreaker is ass

[warm plinth]

Because you don't invite me to 15s

[frosty mango]

Dawnbreaker is worse than halls there I said it

That aoe shadow channel at the start is heinous

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[blazing ridge]

The channel is tough

-Heal debuff stack might get scary at some points too

[warm plinth]

It's worse because that sound effect it makes lets you know that IT knows that it's heinous

[long anvil]

Guys for m+ what is the correct way to sim ur gear ? Patchwerk 5 targets 1,5min , dungeoncleave or smthing else? thanks

[warm plinth]

First one

And single target 3 min for bosses

[frosty mango]

I just sim st patch 5m and use that, aoe dps is rarely an issue in keys it’s always boss damage and I find the two are basically the same anyways

This also may just be me trying to justify my laziness

[warm plinth]

You're not wrong though. Aside from trinkets favoring one or the other, they should be the same

[frosty mango]

I wear st trinks too mostly

Though I’m strongly considering trying to buy a loomithars

[orchid narwhal]

Was ravager nerfed or changed, why do we play random ravager over on use ravager now?

[frosty mango]

The proc rate is very high so it’s overall more damage and more importantly rage gen

[warm plinth]

It was not changed or nerfed; it was just put on a choice node with a new talent that makes Ravager look like shit.

[long anvil]

Currently having brand and cursed stone idol, but was wondering how much better antena is? Anyone simmed it and it shows potential?

[frosty mango]

It’s not

In reality you’re always gonna get better results out of idol bc there’s no gimmick to follow. And while antenna is pretty low effort idol is just send and forget

[round pendant]

god I want to learn sub rogue because I'm tired of sin's awful st dps

but I cba

someone motivate me

[warm plinth]

Play outlaw; it's the superior rogue spec anyway.

[frosty mango]

That being said antenna is a great trinket

[long anvil]

ty @frosty mango ❤️

[round pendant]

too much effort to play well

I hate outlaw cause one fuck up bricks your dps

[warm plinth]

That's valid

[frosty mango]

Play dk

[cerulean olive]

:()

[warm plinth]

You only have to track like 18 things; it's fine

[frosty mango]

It’s like rogue but good

[warm plinth]

ezpz

with the shortest energy spec gcd in the game

[lusty grotto]

lmao

thats a gif

[warm plinth]

Took the fella a few tries but he got there in the end

[frosty mango]

So today on gambit lept the last boss immediately before the console move thing finished

And it slingshotted me across the entire instance

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

yeah it melts my brain

[warm plinth]

ahahahaha

[frosty mango]

Your threat sux jakey, why don’t you tank the mobs?

[warm plinth]

Telling you they don't know how the fight works without telling you

[round pendant]

lmao classic

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ummmm-huh-what-say-gif-21365582

[round pendant]

Those types of players are actually the worst

[undone beacon]

added to my collection

[round pendant]

just confidently incorrect idiots

[jagged pier]

this is how they stood btw, not to scale

but split

[warm plinth]

Oh god

[jagged pier]

so there was 0 chance of me hitting the adds

and i got blamed

[undone beacon]

new desktop background just dropped

[warm plinth]

Love to see it

[urban bane]

learn sub it is fun and easier than you may think 🙂

it is like learning to pat your head and rub your tummy

[jagged pier]

there healer then pinged me to tank the last boss in the far spot during phase one?

then claimed no one tanks the boss where he stands in p1

[warm plinth]

I did an 11 on my hunter yesterday with a monk tank who did single packs of murlocs, but then did double starseers at the end and tanked the dragon boss across the middle of the area instead of by the mountain

[round pendant]

something you can learn in 5 minutes?

[undone beacon]

simply dont play a rogue and play surv hunter instead

[warm plinth]

A lot of pugs tank So'leah by the wagon in p1 but it literally doesn't even work

[round pendant]

huh

it does work

[warm plinth]

It didn't work the one time I've seen it done 🤷

[undone beacon]

My guild snipped at me until i started doing that but honestly feels pointless

[warm plinth]

They stil teleported,

[round pendant]

yeah they'll teleport but they spawn on top of the group

[warm plinth]

still*

Oh, who tf cares XD

[uneven hatch]

Im a big noob when it comes to tanking, ive been enjoying prot when it comes to delves and ive been practicing in followers dungeons. Im just really nervous about running M+ due to the fact I dont want to mess up and get absolutely flamed lol any good advice

[urban bane]

i thought the point was just to make em real bunched up

[warm plinth]

It's not hard to pick them up

[undone beacon]

It helps the initial grouping but they sprint in anyways idk

[urban bane]

then i spear or have hunter binding shot

[round pendant]

it's just more uptime for free

don't think it's bad but it's not HUGE

[urban bane]

and they try to leap away but are doomed

[warm plinth]

Yeah exactly Muse. Especially BM binding shot because it yoinks them back

[lusty grotto]

do it anyway and dont care at all for being flamed

[warm plinth]

just like spear

[lusty grotto]

ignore any flaming

[undone beacon]

Best piece of advice is to just play the game habibi. We all brick keys and all deal with jerks but the nice part of tanking is that you can get into another key in record time. Just jump into some +2s and have fun with it! Look up some routes and just boogie down

[lusty grotto]

log your runs and get back to us with logs and we will give you more constructive criticism

[undone beacon]

Only way to improve is to play!

[round pendant]

turn chat off

[warm plinth]

Or, if you're feeling really frisky, sashay left or shimmy right

[undone beacon]

prance FORWARD

[uneven hatch]

How do you find routes for dungeon tools?

[warm plinth]

I grouped with someone named boogiedown the other day and we had a fun moment of nostalgia

[urban bane]

CN

[undone beacon]

MDT is the go-to routing addon, and there are websites that have routes! https://keystone.guru/ is a solid one

[blazing ridge]

My healer friend in Arak first pull yesterday told me I need to hold aggro from the flyer cause they always meele them and he cant heal because if he does he would get aggro

[round pendant]

keystone guru routes seem kinda awful this season

at least the popular ones

[warm plinth]

how dare you recommend keystone.guru when threechest.io is right there smh

[undone beacon]

I mean you always gotta take it with a grain of salt but for somebody brand new to M+ they should be servicable

[round pendant]

yeah it's fine for him

[undone beacon]

wait does threechest let you see like popular routes

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[tired forge]

which race scream "im warrior"?XD

[urban bane]

discovering threechest.io

was like finding christ

[undone beacon]

shut up what where

[warm plinth]

And it's just a lot less horrible to look at

Where it says sample routes

[round pendant]

aren't threechest routes just top run replays basically?

[warm plinth]

in the top right

[round pendant]

and they sometimes lack packs and other issues

[undone beacon]

well tickle my feet and call me jones would ya look at that. Neato

[urban bane]

keystoneguru just feels like a website that was built in the early 2000s

[warm plinth]

Don't use the ones that say like "so-and-so's +16" though

Pretty sure those are just raider.io route pulls

[urban bane]

and threechest feels like mdt

[round pendant]

my favourite thing about keystone guru is how it'll randomly just stop loading

[round pendant]

yeah that's what I thought

[warm plinth]

But it has Quazii, tactyk, and yoda's "easy routes"

[round pendant]

oh they have like some premade routes now

from those guys

neat

[warm plinth]

which are the ones people seem to be using most often

[undone beacon]

Yeah but it also has "Uglygooner's +17" which is epic

[round pendant]

my hoa route is still peak

[ruby musk]

Tankxiety is real. You get thicker skin over time. At some point everyone messes up. Low-mid keys are a nightmare because its just shitters thinking they're MDI super strategists. Higher keys are generally better cause people interrupt and just chill playing the game.

[warm plinth]

@solid sun I forgot I still can't mail shit cross-realm

[undone beacon]

The best way to get over tanking anxiety is to blast some EDM and try to sync up big CDs with base drops

Easy

Makes you feel like a god

[warm plinth]

But then I'd have to listen to EDM

[round pendant]

I've never had tank anxiety

because I was forced to tank from day 1 of playing wow

[undone beacon]

To be fair most of the time I listen to what my guild has deemed "sad lesbian music" so, hard to feel epic during that but

[ruby musk]

I usually get over mine by running each key a few times while planning routes and vibing. I like to see what's killing people early so I can adjust later.

[undone beacon]

I digress

[round pendant]

so I was just like "well if it goes to shit you've only got yourselves to blame"

[tired forge]

u guys have guilds?

[urban bane]

a combination of messing up, seeing where you messed up, and trying again can be a good way to learn :)

[warm plinth]

What in the hell is sad lesbian music 😂

[undone beacon]

sometimes i wish i didnt smh

[ruby musk]

The kind of music that comes preloaded in every Subaru outback.

[tired forge]

i wish i was in a guild, i got tierd of playing solo and pugging

[urban bane]

is sad lesbian music like indigo girls

or mazzy star

[undone beacon]

Jules Paymer, Chase Petra, Girlinred, Nxdia, etc etc

[round pendant]

literally the only way to learn I'd say

[ruby musk]

Yup

[warm plinth]

I legit don't know who any of those are

Guess I am not a sad lesbian

[mighty valley]

yeah i thought i was an aficionado of sad lesbian music but i guess i am like tiny baby

[undone beacon]

Then you can be a little more upbeat and mainstream with like, Chappell Roan and Muna and Renee Rapp but

[warm plinth]

I feel like you're just making up names at this point

[lusty grotto]

goddamn im old

[undone beacon]

My spotify wrapped would kill half this channel

[lusty grotto]

i only know Chappell Roan from any of those names

[mighty valley]

ok if you haven't heard of chappell roan you do have to go outside

[undone beacon]

Towa Bird?

[lusty grotto]

and even then i havent really heard music from Chappell

[urban bane]

i just listen to rufus wainwright as my favorite oldge sad gay music

[lusty grotto]

just seen things

[undone beacon]

Orion Experience?

oh my

[lusty grotto]

im an old punk rocker, i aint got time for that shit

[urban bane]

or Pet Shop Boys

[warm plinth]

I grew up listening to 50s-80s rock and 80s-2000s country and that's what I still listen to for the most part. I'm not a very musical person though; I rarely listen at all.

[undone beacon]

I wanna be a sad lesbian dammit

Been listening to lots of Emerson Woolf & the Wishbones, Marah in the Mainsail, and Mel Byrant & the Mercy Makers with my keys recently

Band has an & in the name? Immediate interest

[mighty valley]

i feel pretty disconnected from modern pop music too but never having heard of chappell roan is similar to "who's taylor swift" to me

[urban bane]

it is crazy how

there will almost always be

[warm plinth]

how do you get this

[urban bane]

more music that you haven't heard of

[undone beacon]

This was my 2024 wrapped, I just went back through my photos for it

[warm plinth]

I know who Taylor Swift is, but that's mostly because she was originally a country artist lol.

[undone beacon]

I dont think you can just wantonly pull stats on spotify sadly

[mighty valley]

they keep making music even though i haven't had time to catch up with the previous 100 years

[warm plinth]

And because she's engaged to the tight end of our football team I guess, though I don't really follow football either.

[undone beacon]

I dated a Swiftie and let me tell you, fucking crazy people out there

[warm plinth]

Hey I'm all for people with passion in anything. I'm jealous of them, because I do not have it.

[mighty valley]

i love to study swifties from a distance, like david attenborough

there are so many deranged flavors, they're so fun

[undone beacon]

She watched every Eras tour show through tiktok lives and cried when she couldnt get a ticket to fly out to see her in like, romania or some shit

All the merch everywhere

[round pendant]

@urban bane perma tricks of the trade just seems so busted

[undone beacon]

My rule when i drive people is my car, my aux so she was always like "what is this weird ass music you listen to" and meanwhile she's only got tswift on smh

[round pendant]

I can just pump 24/7

[warm plinth]

I do love the perma tricks

Wish it was just baseline though

[round pendant]

yeah if sin had that

[urban bane]

perma tricks fun

[lusty grotto]

i should try new music

[urban bane]

i love how during wipes when perma tricks is up, if the tank dies the mobs just kinda kill everyone else in the party then run to where the tank released

[undone beacon]

take your pick lolol

[lusty grotto]

i havent even listened to the new linkin park except for the one song

ive been told its pretty decent

[undone beacon]

I thought there were like, a handful of decent tracks but all in all not my fav

[shrewd plinth]

where do peeps try to land 2nd lust on dawnbreaker?

[mighty valley]

suspicious of the singer's scientology connections

[undone beacon]

I usually send it on the house miniboss that pulses aoe

[mighty valley]

they killed the mars volta guy's dog

[undone beacon]

wait what

[lusty grotto]

yeah ive heard that one harrow

[shrewd plinth]

shadowy decay and his 2 frontal homies?

[undone beacon]

thats the one

[shrewd plinth]

10-4

[undone beacon]

Then its usually up for p2 of rash

Depends on how you pull tho I suppose, my route does a lot of church trash

[lusty grotto]

i love me some At the Drive In

and mars volta ofc

[mighty valley]

yeah, wish i could've seen an ATDI show in their prime

[lusty grotto]

same

[undone beacon]

Wait Nim you’re just showing floods now? Are you a tomebearer?

[lusty grotto]

yes

i got it last night

[mighty valley]

Floods: 7? reads like a bon iver album title

[undone beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956065034700726334/1272362174739906672/ezgif-6-9bd2089f65.gif

[lusty grotto]

26 runs

[undone beacon]

Proud of you

[lusty grotto]

thank god it wasnt 49

[round pendant]

sub has too many buttons

I can't think of any nice buttons to my cds on

[oblique quarry]

you can combine a few things with macros if sub is even remotely like it used to be. saved me hella keybindings

[undone beacon]

I’m telling ya just play surv hunter

An actually fun spec

[ashen kestrel]

first key with 4pc after a couple weeks off, thane feels so juicy (698ilvl)

[lament osprey]

Do you have brand though

[ashen kestrel]

Nope, a 671 tome from last season

[undone beacon]

brand not real still havent seen it drop

[ashen kestrel]

Got it from LFR on vdh, didnt drop on warrior

[lament osprey]

True, my co tank out rolled me and almost banned him from discord

[urban bane]

Wdym just shadowstrike flag rupture dance symbols backstab shadow blades trinket potion secrettechnique shadowstrike coup shiurkenstorm coup eviscerate shadowstrike eviscerate dance backstab symbols coldblood secrettechnique shadowstrike eviscerate etc

[azure crag]

What's a good addon for tracking my party's cooldowns?

[urban bane]

OmniCD

[ashen kestrel]

OmniCD

[lusty grotto]

the only addon

[azure crag]

Thank ya!

[crystal blaze]

yo guys, im kinda in trouble xD cant decide what trinkets should i run. got (everything hero track) tome, soleah, sacbrood, signet from priory and the one from HoA xD someone pls help decide

[lusty grotto]

raidbots will help you out

or this: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets

[ashen kestrel]

I have a good profile if its for m+ that can get you started - i took it from quazii but found a lot of stuff missing that i had to add manually (off cds, some defs if you care about that as a tank)

i like to track defensives so i can back my healer up if people die and bitch at them, when they had 3 defensives available

[azure crag]

It is for M+, yeah

[ashen kestrel]

i may not be able to post the string in this channel but can dm you if not

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

another phisher

[ashen kestrel]

lmaooooo

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

So many

[lusty grotto]

ty sirs

oh it was mwahi

hello mwahi

[ionic fern]

Hello!

[lusty grotto]

yeah theyve been at it all week i swear to god

[azure crag]

I appreciate it! Never used this addon before, not sure how it works

[lusty grotto]

no stopping at all

btw reminder Quazii also has profiles for those

and they are great for starting out

[ashen kestrel]

no worries, i sent you the import as a DM as this server seems to pick it up as spam

[fierce mulch]

[round pendant]

how the fuck do I remember this

[mighty valley]

come back to prot. we have like three rules

[ashen kestrel]

yeah mine is just a slightly modded version of his that tracks a bit more - i found some core offensive cds from a few classes were missing, although i havent pulled his down in a good while

[lusty grotto]

, mwahi got it~

[solid sun]

Besides arcane mage what are big funnel specs

Does havoc count as that

[lusty grotto]

SP

the biggest of them all

[solid sun]

Hmmmm

[lusty grotto]

but yeah HDH can be one if they play Aldrachi

rogues reverse funnel too

[azure crag]

Oh, well that's neat.
....
Is there a way to get rid of that little shockwave next to my health bar, that is super unnecessary

[chrome falcon]

the pull after 2nd boss in halls

is there any way to avoid having death logs that look like this

or is this dungeon even worse than i thought

(this isn't me obviously just the shaman in my group)

like what they just should defensive perma? or we have to stop every shoot cast while the eviscerators are alive? or did they stand in something? like wtf man

do we just pull it outside around los or

[lusty grotto]

it has an 8 yard range

you can pull out

just tell them to gtfo

but the targetted needs to either LoS

[chrome falcon]

the glaive? right ok

[lusty grotto]

yeah it cleaves

at anything around 8 yards

[chrome falcon]

i've literally never seen anyone die in this pack before so i have no idea what that mechanic is or does or if it's telegraphed

right ok i'll just pull it outside then

wastes like 10 seconds but whatever

[lusty grotto]

outside is fine

inside is aids anyway for the stupid wow camera

[chrome falcon]

yeah

blech

16 halls is not a good time in pugs lmao

[solid sun]

That latest wowhead article lol

Right at 13,000 more characters got hit in these piloted boosting thing China has going on

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how blizzard feels about getting one-upped on that

and by one-upped, i mean a million-upped

[solid sun]

I wonder why that is happening

Is it a lack of manpower to throw at it? Low priority?

[lusty grotto]

ive been thinking about turning off Windows HDR for WoW for a while, anyone feel like it adds way too much? Ive been playing it like this since last expansion

[lusty grotto]

no idea tbh

probably not the biggest prio

[slender bison]

What's piloted boost?

[lusty grotto]

someone plays your account

thats a pilot

the rest explains itself

[slender bison]

Remember the Chinese gold farms from 2007 👴

[lusty grotto]

its the reason Hopeful got fucked on the first days of the race

[tribal wharf]

its simple really

you buy 6 wow tokens for gold

then you give the gold like a million or more to some guy to carry you

you get carried and maybe some loot

[solid sun]

lol such a dumb move

[tribal wharf]

then 6 months later your account gets banned

for account sharing

[slender bison]

And what's the end game? Chinese rich guy wants boost from Chinese sweaty guy?

I though they manipulated the AH or smth

Would be more netflix adaptable

[tribal wharf]

i would never ever suggest make the game like, mobile currency

can earn silver copper coins in game but not gold coins as easily and have to pay for gems

[ashen kestrel]

sorry just seeing this, yea you can move the cc bars - let me check the setting for it

[rigid kestrel]

i'm currently playing some "high keys", 17s for the moment, but i just don't like mountain thane at all, i'm only playing colossus, i don't know, i don't feel as tanky as colossus with thane spec, the IP spam feels weird aswell when i've played so much colossus, can someone try to seduce me & give thane another chance? :3

[ashen kestrel]

@azure crag

Open OC -> Dungeons -> Extra Bars -> AoE CCs -> Untick Lock Frame -> Move to desired position -> Relock

[fallen marlin]

@rigid kestrel just give it another chance

[azure crag]

Ah, nice! Thank you

[fallen marlin]

And if you still dont get it just play your spec

[ashen kestrel]

I think Colussus is tankier right? Assuming the healing was equal from your healer i think colussus will feel that way, esp in bigger pulls

You really just need to hammer IP as thane unfortunately, especially due to the Brutal Vitality talent adding absorb to it

[lusty grotto]

no

colossus isnt tankier

its about the same

[rigid kestrel]

xD

[lusty grotto]

this is all a "feels" thing

the fact is

neither is tankier than the other

period

[rigid kestrel]

i feel like, since i'm playing with pug groups only, when i'm using demolish with the "arterial bleed" talent, it gives me so much self healing, helping the healer alot, but idk, might just be my impression

i'm having trust issues with healer pugs

[chrome falcon]

if you like colossus and are timing 16s/17s with it then don't change

[lusty grotto]

thats not being tankier

[chrome falcon]

i will say though

getting aggro on pulls as thane is 5000000x better

[rigid kestrel]

true

[chrome falcon]

miss a revenge while gathering as colossus? gg lol your dh and enhance are already typing /abandon

thane just presses thunderclap and has aggro on every mob

[solid sun]

in the whole dungeon

[chrome falcon]

also i'm a little confused by you saying "the ip spam on thane feels weird"

like you should definitely pretty IP on colossus a lot as well

[ashen kestrel]

clap -> avatar -> blast truly is a beautiful gather

[lusty grotto]

not as much no

[ashen kestrel]

Colossus is move about spamming revenge i think

[lusty grotto]

but you do have No Stranger to Pain

[rigid kestrel]

nah you spam IP way less as colossus than thane

[lusty grotto]

lets stop saying "spam"

[sick merlin]

I should only be pressing IP to avoid capping rage right?

[rigid kestrel]

you still use it alot

but not as much

[lusty grotto]

yes

[chrome falcon]

yes

[ashen kestrel]

does it offend you Nim?

[sick merlin]

Oki thank you

[lusty grotto]

wdym by offend

[slender bison]

It's so fucking funny that Devs notes in S1 was that IP was too spammy and they noticed they don't have resources to redesign without breaking the class and now it's giga spammy just to keep AM going

[chrome falcon]

been this way for 10 years

[lusty grotto]

its just a bad thing to say in the channel in case lurkers are taking notes

"spamming" IP isnt correct

there's no spamming for the sake of spam

[chrome falcon]

indeed

but sometimes you do press it 4 times in 3 seconds

[ashen kestrel]

dumping high rage into IP we should say

[chrome falcon]

anyway yeah to the original question

mountain thane is better than colossus

but you can time 17s with either

so live your life

[solid sun]

And don’t die

[chrome falcon]

well yeah i just said that

[solid sun]

You said it different

[slender bison]

Colossus is in friend zone now. Thane is the handsome prince

[chrome falcon]

i haven't played colossus at all this patch

[rigid kestrel]

can't wait to get buffed on the next patch note

oh wait...

[ashen kestrel]

Thane is the guy Colossus tellls you not to worry about

[chrome falcon]

are the people saying you can press demolish and watch your health zoom up from self-healing coping

or is that actually true

[solid sun]

We’re def getting buffed

[lusty grotto]

huh

[solid sun]

We don’t do enough yet

[rigid kestrel]

[lusty grotto]

demolish doesnt do that shit

its bleeds that heal you

[chrome falcon]

doesn't demolish make your bleeds pump

with the tier

[lusty grotto]

oh true

[ashen kestrel]

yeah, the hp did tick up massively on PTR before the nerf - it was like constantly full self healing if you were fighting 6+ mobs

havent played it with tier on live so i cant comment

[rigid kestrel]

still does the same thing

[stark helm]

is it better to change loot spec to arms when you do floodgate to get the trinket?

[lusty grotto]

sure

but you can get it as prot

and mud in the same pool

so if you dont care about mud, go for any of the dps specs

[slow oasis]

Hello, does anyone if this WA from Kira's stream can be found on wago ?

[lusty grotto]

why do we keep answering questions about kira stream

when he has a discord

[slender bison]

I don't even wanna know how Colossus does the giga pull in Gambit without feeling clunky

[ashen kestrel]

pretty sure he sells the whole UI so it might be on there, but good chance its private

[ashen kestrel]

the gather on colossus always irked me. if you had decent dps who could hold their piss for 1-2 seconds it was fine, but many times i had to burn my aoe taunt during the gather and then didnt have it for kicks/silences

with thane its literally a non issue

[slender bison]

Yeah, thunderous roar can only do so much. Then you charge and eeeek no revenge rage and red plates

[mighty valley]

even with decent dps, you kinda have to pause a sec at each pack to generate rage for a revenge, it's annoying

if they want to reduce tank anxiety, making gathering real easy would be a great place to start lol

[lusty grotto]

ahem

target caps

[mighty valley]

although... i think they really really wished we didn't do big pulls

[lusty grotto]

end ahem

[ashen kestrel]

yeah i remember always telling people at the start of rookery to wait as i was putting 2-3 globals into the right pack before going to the mini

[slender bison]

Found the covert healer. Guards!

[lusty grotto]

i dont think you got what he was saying

cause hes right

its the reason why target caps exist

they meaning blizzard

and the reason DF was so cursed

and s1

of this expansion

[mighty valley]

yeah i dunno, i do get the thought behind it sort of, but it's probably time to stop fighting against reality

[lusty grotto]

honestly though they should at least increase our caps more in line with other dps... so 8

dps AND tanks

5 target soft cap is fucking stupid

[mighty valley]

yeah, they're dreaming of a world where "optimized for 5 target cleave" is a strength

and like... you've been trying to make that world for a decade and never come close

[ashen kestrel]

i think this is the big issue - if youre gonna have these target caps the classes that are capped need to genuinely excel at those caps, not just do the same or slighly more than an uncapped class

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[solid sun]

Didn’t Monksea do dungeons pulling like 8 mobs at a time or smth

For some reason I’m remembering someone say that

[mighty valley]

i also think they're basically one foot in the pool whenever they want to make "defined strengths and weaknesses"

[solid sun]

Idk what specs they were running though so ig it doesn’t matter

[mighty valley]

because i don't think they really want people like, switching character from dungeon to dungeon?

[ashen kestrel]

yeah they made the phys comp work really well to be fair

[wet lichen]

is leech better than avoidance ?

[warped badge]

why isnt a weapon craft prio in the guide?

[ashen kestrel]

probably for tanks as a consistent nice stat - i dont ever feel remotely in danger to group aoe

[wet lichen]

the guide asumes that you'll be mythic raiding

[warped badge]

so if im not clearing mythic on this char ill just craft a weapon?

[wet lichen]

thanks

[wet lichen]

weapon and shield

it's the highest item lvl you can get with the best stats (you chose which duh)

[mellow bridge]

if you had the choice between equal items, I would take leech

[ashen kestrel]

you can get a myth sword from taza HM deathless if thats something youre doing, but its got mastery on it, if you care about that

but it might also never drop so a weapon craft is a safe bet

[wet lichen]

bro that's even harder than mythic raid xD

[wet lichen]

thanks for the input 🙂

[karmic stream]

yea u r a 2.5k peaker troll

[hoary vector]

Hey guys, question on the talent choice between fight through the flames and armour spec. Most popular choice by quite some margin is the 6% armour, but as we lost spell block and magic being a potential issue if reflect is down or missed cc, I thought it would have more value? Off the top of my head the armour increase is about 1.3-1.5% physical damage reduction against the flat 4% magic. Is it down to the physical to magic damage ratio we would take throughout an entire dungeon why the physical is better, Just alot more of it ? Cheers

[azure crag]

The powerful thunderclapping cheeks of a strong, independent mountain thane are too powerful for any mobs in a dungeon to ignore.
It's simply the most threatening thing in the area and everyone must stop what their doing to get a piece.

[chrome falcon]

armour = strength

[mighty valley]

Armor also has str value through armored to the teeth

[mighty valley]

lmao, same thing said in three different ways, beautiful

[warm plinth]

That's fuckin teamwork

[chrome falcon]

also worth remembering that physical damage reduction through armour will also equate to magic reduction indirectly

because it means less of your IP is eaten by white swings

[azure crag]

Man, I remember when that used to be a trait that all tanks just had by default.
Bonus armor = primary stat back in WoD days

[chrome falcon]

and more is left for magic damage

[ashen kestrel]

its in the perfect order too

first the general idea
then a point towards the talent
then the screenshot of said talent

amazing stuff

[hoary vector]

Hehe cheers champs , knew there'd be something this nub was overlooking o7

[warm plinth]

plus, I mean, it's 4% DR. If armored to the teeth didn't exist, we really wouldn't give a shit

[mighty valley]

i'm open to the possibility that there's a bleeding-edge key level where you need all the magic DR you can get but for normal play, armor = good

[warm plinth]

And realistically you'd still probably play Hunker Down before FttF

since it'd likely be a mechanic, not a constant source of damage

[azure crag]

I assume bonus armor and the strength conversion was removed because of versatility, but it does seem odd to me that warrior got to keep it

[ashen kestrel]

was just about to say that, the main dungeons that stick out are flood momma and geezle, and priory 1st boss - should always have reflect up

[chrome falcon]

bonus armour was removed for the same reason as spirit

it's boring to just have a stat that says "this is a tank item" or "this is a healer item"

[solid sun]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-fucking-teamwork-jack-black-tenacious-d-teamwork-fucking-teamwork-gif-14713171

[azure crag]

I assumed spirit got removed because blizzard was tired of healer's having infinite mana by the end of an expansion, but yeah, I get that.

[tulip remnant]

Now it’s just proc based infinite mana. They have to use braincells for it now.

[ashen kestrel]

honestly just let them have it, i fukn hate drinking between pulls - just adds stress without being remotely engaging

[tulip remnant]

Spirit also did stupid stuff with DPS classes that care about mana…like Mage

Bc that was also a point in time where most stats had caps.

[azure crag]

For bonus armor, I just assumed in a world where versatility existed, a stat as specific as bonus armor was unnecessary

[tulip remnant]

It was kinda just there lmao. Wasn’t anything too special

[chrome falcon]

no it was just very boring and not balanced at all

[azure crag]

it was certainly boring. It was literally just strength/agility, but with the bonus of also giving armor

Versatility is also boring. But it's boring in a way that's more universally applicable to all classes. Bonus armor was only good for tanks

the removal of bonus armor also hasn't stopped blizzard from making tanks specific items either, which makes me think it wasn't removed just because it was only useful for tanks, but rather the stat itself was redundant

[shrewd grove]

Is mud actually good or what? I feel like it's trash but I keep seeing people running it in keys

Thoughts?

[mighty valley]

it was just the "i don't have bombsuit but want another CD" trinket last season

[lusty grotto]

its good on certain dungeons because of the cdr

but thats it

and what harrow is saying

[fierce pier]

hi is there a cheat sheet for reflect/blockable tank buster sheet?

[frosty mango]

yes its in the pins

[lusty grotto]

and in the FAQ

[warm plinth]

and in our <3s

[undone beacon]

It’s really the only on-use defensive trinket we have so, if you want a defensive option it’s basically all you get

I did cop a Nucleus from our AotC kill last night, that was pretty neat

[lusty grotto]

nah embrace exists

which is bomb suit 2.0

[undone beacon]

I thought embrace was like, dog tier

[lusty grotto]

its decent

1 min cd

50% partial shield

[undone beacon]

A lot smaller shield threshold though, yeah?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

well the biggest drawback is that its a 50% partial shield

and bomb suit was a 75% partial shield

but yeah its smaller for sure

for its ilvl

[undone beacon]

Yeah bombsuit was a bigger % with a bigger shield threshold

[lusty grotto]

like half of myth bomb suit

[undone beacon]

Longer CD but

[lusty grotto]

its ok

honestly its nucleus then mud depending on dungeon

and embrace is a 3rd

[undone beacon]

I have one but I haven’t ran it, bern using hero sac + myth tome. But now that I have nucleus I’ll mess with that and see how it feels

[lusty grotto]

it has a weird interaction with talented cheats

so care

[warm plinth]

I'll bern your heroic sac

gottem

[undone beacon]

How so?

[undone beacon]

uwu

I’d think it wouldn’t interact with BSV at all since it’s not a real cheat, yeah?

[lusty grotto]

it triggers before talented cheats

so cheats basically never proc

so you basically untalent BSV (if you had it and the same applies) when using it

unless of course the trinket is on cd

8 min cd though

its only really a problem on a gigantic 1 shot

but also it kinda makes sense to maybe not talent BSV with it at all

this is all due to the fact that you have to be healed up

if it worked alongside BSV, it would be strong as fuck though

broken even

and by big hit i mean exceeding what the trinket says

have to test it out tbh

[quasi arrow]

Just a question, I dont want a log review or something thats why I just took a screen
for a +11 eco dome, Ilvl 702
does the dmg from just looking at the details seem ok ? or is it to low ?

[lusty grotto]

screenshot doesnt really tell us anything

so i can be or not

we dont know what youre pulling

or what youre doing, or what you're wearing

and honestly i dont really memorize numbers

[mortal cypress]

I can see the name of that russian guy

[quasi arrow]

hahaha xD

I was like i'll white it then i was like oh its squares anyways

[mortal cypress]

his name is Mr Squares in Russian

[quasi arrow]

Okay, yeah thought I just ask but its fine x) I just did all the big pulls from weekly raider io route, but yeah, you can't see spec, can't see what i pressed so I do understand

[lusty grotto]

yeah like

you could be wearing an ilvl 650 weapon

and that would mean youre a god

but you could also be wearing a crafted or myth one

and that could mean you should be higher up

context matters and logs usually have the whole picture

but its really not a very specific thing

could be a combination of stuff

[warm plinth]

You're a very specific thing

fuckin gottem

[lusty grotto]

well most often it is a combination of stuff

[lusty grotto]

[quasi arrow]

Yeah I know already that I can do a lot more dmg when I learn my class more x)
Gonna keep improving :>

[azure crag]

whatever you're doing
Mash execute more

that's my advice. In all situations

[quasi arrow]

funny, its exactly what I have to do

I do execute way to less

[chrome falcon]

fucking monkagiga

easiest key at this level (streets might be easier)

but holy

fucked up my route and we had to run back for a pack with 1 minute left after boss

really need a route here that isn't totally fucking dogshit

[azure crag]

I'm STILL convinced the only hard part of Eco dome is finding enough dudes by the end

[mortal cypress]

It's always hard to find enough dudes at the end

[azure crag]

......
-# hol' up

[solid sun]

I’ll be your caboose

[frosty mango]

I got a good eco route

Skips most of those asshole pactspeakers

[solid sun]

You just don’t like them because they hold you accountable

[still crown]

Can you send through the MDT string or a threechest.io link 🙂

[frosty mango]

https://threechest.io?id=2eibphf9pth

[still crown]

Thanks

[frosty mango]

pulls 4 and 5 are prob the scariest

and usually I have enough time to split 15

I dont do trash into boss bc i dont run with any cleave classes

[still crown]

Yeah id change it up a bit but definitely like the count compared to my route

[azure temple]

in m+ should i keep my stacks of collasall might for revenge

or send on demolish

[lusty grotto]

uhh

you dont really think about stacks

you should have 10 way before you have demolish up

and yes you should send them then

[azure temple]

yeah so im asking do i send on 10 or keep the 10 up for revenge damage

[lusty grotto]

demolish applies damage taken

read dominance

[azure temple]

cool thank

s

[steep pivot]

hey how do you maintain shield block 97%?

best i do is 70 ish

[chrome falcon]

how much haste do you have

[lusty grotto]

and what talent are you running out of ITF and HR

[steep pivot]

23k ~ 38%

[lusty grotto]

rating

[chrome falcon]

then you have enough for 90% uptime

just press the button more

and press shield charge properly

you have two buttons which give shield block

press them more

if there are 3 seconds left on the pack or the boss isn't autoing you (like halkias beams or something) then don't press it

[steep pivot]

i use it mostly on cd, withh demo and TR... use it to control far ads (shield charge i mean)

[chrome falcon]

if you were pressing shield block and shield charge brainlessly on CD

you would have more than 70% uptime

so idk

also ignore "uptime"

looked at blocked hits %

that's 100% more important