protection

[jagged pier]

Thats more likely they wont kick

[normal birch]

😂 true, looks like Critcake has a working one in his Discord

[remote tusk]

You do realize this is for DF S3? 😄

[high latch]

Yes, but I don't see why it couldn't work still.

Unless it's hardcoded to specific spells which would be weird.

[remote tusk]

You can delete most of the WeakAura

See "included Auras"

[high latch]

Oh yeah you're right. The majority of auras in it is probably what https://wago.io/ZqXZUJpu4 now does.

The announcing part, however, could still work.

[remote hollow]

this one doesnt do announcing, just the easier times to see and press reflect

that why i use this + macro for announce

[high latch]

Yes. What Apart and I talked about was parts of the other WA further up that seemingly does the same thing.

And those auras that do the same as Essentials can be safely deleted.

[remote hollow]

but still dont expect ppl to not kick

they will be kicking anyway

[high latch]

Very true.

Either way, it sounds like Camm found a different one in Critcake's server, so if that works none of this matters 🙂

[uneven canyon]

so im 2954io, and the only key holding me back in HOA, does anyone have a good route for that place? its a brand new dungeon for me and holding back my push pretty heavy

[lavish onyx]

What LVL have u done hoa on ?

[slender bison]

BiS route until 14s. Just BL #1, #9 and #16

If DPS is consistent, youll have good BL timings

Since you're pushing take Rally Cry (bleh) for the 1st pull to help with eventual pug 10% hp deaths

Thats where keys are bricked

Later start throwing gargoyles from this route and take mobs from other part of the yard after 1st boss

[daring dust]

anyone know why i cant upgrade my cloak on an alt? its 714, but all upgrades unlocked, cant remove points and cant use the macro

[arctic marten]

In single-target, if I am at 2 stacks of Thunder Blast, and Shield Slam is available, do I Shield Slam or Thunder Blast?

[slender bison]

Over-engineering things, but Shield Slam. It's always prime prio for ST.

Or if you have lots of rage use the IP + ShieldSlam macro

That way you don't overcap

[wispy moth]

If two tb, TB first then SS otherwise, SS

And if only SS available with 2 TB stacks, just go for SS

But overall when this situation happens, just use what you can and don't waste rage

Everything happening quickly

[vital vale]

i got 4 set this week so swapped to thane

tbh i feel much squishier than colossus, anyone else?

i do deal more damage tho but not by too much

tho my trinkets suck balls

[warm plinth]

Nope. Feels fine to me

[royal mist]

Just roll your defensives more. Too often people just hold them and don’t use them.

[ruby musk]

I did at first but then realized I have infinite rage now to dump into IP.

[vital vale]

hmm idk my IP uptime is 92%

this is halls 12

i just feel squishier generally and im not really sure why

maybe its this dungeon pool generally having more mobs that stack debuff

[frozen berry]

Is it odd this season that Champ gear is only 6 less ilvl than Heroic? Has this always been the case?

[karmic plinth]

yes

it was just in turbo boost that you got 2 more in hero track

[vital vale]

shouldnt it be 7

each upgrade gives alternating 3 and 4 ilvls no

yeah its weird that hero gives 6 instead of 7

ilvl higher than champion

honestly they should have kept it like the turbo boost

with myth and hero having 8 upgrade levels

[solid sun]

Turbo boost is returning

[mellow bridge]

dw you're getting your wish lol

[vital vale]

hero barely feels like an upgrade from champ, esp with the runed crest cap

[mellow bridge]

runed crests already shouldnt be much of an issue

especially if you did 10s, you should already have more crests than needed

it's the gilded that cap you

i upgraded a few items from 694 and im already done with runed

[vital vale]

getting neither is an issue, the cap is just zzzzz

and it makes hero gear not be an upgrade over champ for weeks, and even then its only 6 ilvl higher

getting hero just feels bad, esp for more casual players who dont get myth

[solid sun]

Are you max ranking champion gear?

[vital vale]

im spending all runed crests on whatever it is that gives me more benefit

gildeds i use more surgically

and still on week 3 im sitting on unfully upgraded champ and hero gear

[solid sun]

I think, but I could be wrong, that it’s usually suggested you save runed for hero gear and leave champ at only rank 4

[vital vale]

on a game design sense, hero should feel like an upgrade but it doesnt

[vital vale]

i know what you mean, because getting hero gear will increase the ilvl of that slot

but i dont do it like that

[prime sphinx]

Myth track from taza hardmode every week is pretty free if u can stay focused for an hour. First 2 bosses mythic very puggable

[lilac widget]

guys are you still doing floodate the same way, which the bigass pull at the start?

[vital vale]

im sure its free if you got a guild of competent players but its not free if you gotta pug it

[lilac widget]

im just thinking im not as geared as last season etc, and scaling is higher

[vital vale]

yea

[lilac widget]

alright we ballin then yolo

[mellow bridge]

or be me and do hm taz

and then get a codex

[prime sphinx]

Many ppl in my guild pugged it on alts last week. The groups just look for +12 completion streets and gambit

[mellow bridge]

[vital vale]

is there a list of boss mechanic difference between keystone and hm?

[mellow bridge]

wowhead has a guide on it

[vital vale]

kk ty

[prime sphinx]

There's plenty vids explaining differences. U can lust every boss tho if ur worried and they have less hp than a +10

[vital vale]

ait

i should try it for sure

anyone here managed to do it week 1?

[mellow bridge]

lost my w1 run to a missed kick on first boss gambit

[prime sphinx]

first week one dps zoned out on dragon boss stood in cannon

week 2 and 3 were clean

had a guild group fail it this week cos they tried to skip murlocs with shroud and rogue got 1 shot by the 2 guardians lmao

didnt even take cheat death

what a waste

[solid sun]

My friends died on every boss

And two of them died during trash

So I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily free

I think your mileage will vary greatly

[undone beacon]

Our last run died when somone threw a bomb to the wrong side of the room on postmaster and didnt say anything or try to catch it. Just let it blow up

I was livid

[solid sun]

lol rough

[slim oracle]

does not matter, champ 8/8 is the same as hero 4/6 and you wouldnt upgrade hero 4/6 to hero 6/6 with gilded until gilded crests dont matter anymore/uncapped

so functionally they are the same

[solid sun]

We couldn’t even finish the last boss because someone kept dying to something do we couldn’t resolve the red arrows

[plush tendon]

I just went out and bought a dozen bres items

timed a 15 Gambino last night

[solid sun]

And after like 6 attempts they decided to call it so everyone could go to bed and they hit us with a, “see you next week”

[plush tendon]

but the Ret Paladin dced and had comp problems on last boss... and the rogue then rezzed him

30 seconds later both died

i was like

still me, mage, and healer clutched it out

[solid sun]

Tried doing a 10 AK also last night and the squad couldn’t kill the first boss. I was so mad. We’ve been doing 10 AK since the season started

Suddenly just incapable

I need more friends

[plush tendon]

what do yall think of this route for Ara Kara?

we have a 16... and Ive done this place maybe 2 times this tier

cant stand the spider aesthetic

[undone beacon]

I hate pulling the sides in the last room

[plush tendon]

its really efficient

[undone beacon]

I pull the pack next to 7 and then trade 12 and 13 to take the three in the middle

[plush tendon]

and its seems better then the other stuff

[undone beacon]

The middle three are honestly pretty free, and super high forces

Just keep the two casters kicked and zerg the middle homie down

[plush tendon]

I dont know If I can pull those on a 16

big homie does big dammies to party yea?

[undone beacon]

Yeah its the same as the other beetles in the dungeon

If you can handle it in 6 and 7 you can handle it there

Esp as the casters have one cast and dont do much groupwide damage otherwise

[plush tendon]

Ill have to ask the group about it

[undone beacon]

At least in my opinion. Its worked out well for me but I know its a contentious pull

Just make sure they know its not the old Hauler beetle, its a Bloodguard now

[plush tendon]

Id do something like this instead

add the 4 workers into pull 9

and do midde

prob after boss

though im not sure its faster then just doing the stuff on the left side

will have to just test it out

[slender bison]

If for some reason you need to do 13 do it after boss as youll reach count with only overseers. But just pull the two right mobs when you turn left at 7

Also skipping the pack before 2nd boss is a meme. It's free count and funnel for DPS after guard dies

You think you skipped but, 13 eats a lot of time

[slim oracle]

you can try this; i timed 16 with this

this route is more ideal for prot warrior without a pally/monk that can double cleanse for u

those last mobs really hurt

for pull 9/10 u can kinda just use 9 as a downtime pull or chain 9 into either the pull before or after based on cds

[untold minnow]

guys

is there any tips for [Starshattered] caus this thing hit hard at hc

on my 700 druid i hit 23m with survival 60% def

1stack

[solid sun]

Isn’t the green caster in pull two the one that wanders around? How do you keep it out of the first pull

[plush tendon]

Ill take a peak

[slim oracle]

i know the last area is very efficient with the big pulls, but it is literally impossible to live as a prot warrior; if u have freedom though it makes those pulls a lot easier

[slim oracle]

you can cc it or just grip it in if u have a dk, but its risky with triple caster

that is more of a chain kind of thing

[slender bison]

Why did you pull last mid pack if you're already 5% over count at pull 7? The reason we take left is for skipping spider lords

[slim oracle]

rule of thumb in all pulls is max 2 casters unless u have lust

[slim oracle]

there's less double caster packs going left

every pull has 2 casters on rightside

and its easy to accidentally aggro

= instant wipe

well i mean i just prefer not doing the drones

theres literally no group healing if u do the big drone pulls, its fine for the healer to heal the bloodguards on the last pull

[slender bison]

Those die fast. Lords burn healer CDs. Also you can take 2 mobs from right at pull 8 and skip last pack entirely with 1 extra right overseer. Anyway, seems you had giga DPS in your group

[slim oracle]

yeah where else are the healer using cds at ?

[slim oracle]

if i pull an extra overseer that makes it an odd number which is just awkward

u can double pull overseers

but pulling 1 feels bad

[slender bison]

Extra with the initial one from entrance

[slim oracle]

i dont like doing the taking the 2 mobs on the right cuz its a caster

so if i dont have a dk

it can be out in narnia til ppl keep kiciking it in repeatedly

also the blodoguard pats there too

so it can be awkward sitting there to wait

[slender bison]

Mind you Avatar de roots you so, you can be more liberal in that area. The last pack is a time sink if DPS isn't premium. And if it is, you need DPS CDs for boss

[slim oracle]

maybe, it depends on damage profile

[lilac widget]

WELL THANKYOU to whoever persuaded me to give mountain thane a shot last night

1 question, do we ever clap without the proc?

apart from grapping aggro

[slim oracle]

it lowers cd on demo shout based on # of targets hit if you are running thunderlord so its a good filler to spam when shield slam is on cd

[lilac widget]

ooh okidoke, good shout thanks

[slim oracle]

but u prio shield slam always and u dont press regular thunderclap if you have violent outburst ready because its more dmg to shield slam, so u can revenge to try to get a shield slam refresh instead

[blazing shuttle]

To add to that, it makes on large pulls the cd ridiculously short.

[azure crag]

My guild's rogue is always complaining that I won't let combat drop so he can re-enter stealth.

[plush tendon]

sounds like you should drop the rogue

[shrewd plinth]

How bad is it to want to keep running colo instead of thane

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter

[plush tendon]

MT is the preffered hero talent this season

but Col is strong in their own right

if you really prefer it

[mellow bridge]

if you are perma chaining mobs at 5% hp, you shouldnt

if you are properly chaining at high hp%, keep doing that

[azure crag]

I usually wait till mobs are at about half HP to chain in more.

unless they're asshole casters or slow and won't move.

In those cases, I'll let combat finish, then move onto the next

But if the mobs will keep up with me, then the train doesn't stop until the healer calls oom

[urban portal]

then its very valid complaint for rogue

especially because of how their cds work

[mighty valley]

it's valid but i wish they'd rework it

especially for outlaw, they shouldn't have to worry about stealth

they should be about walking directly up to someone and kicking them in the nuts

[solid sun]

I think outlaw is getting a rework. And unholy too

And maybe more

But probably in a different way than Harrow is mentioning

[azure crag]

I hope so, cause having to pull differently because of one flavor of DPS feels more like the dps is badly designed

And rogue probably needs a lot of help

[hollow spruce]

If my rogue kicks my reflects i dont let him restealth

[shrewd grove]

Did you just go to the rogue discord and ask?

[mellow bridge]

No

I saved this a while ago as it always comes up in diff discords

[shrewd grove]

Okay, I was gonna say bro you gotta reroll. Thats way too smart for you to be a warrior 🤣

[mighty valley]

ok new call unlocked

"hey guys once this pack gets to 0.0001 pisslow gigashit% i'm pulling next"

[azure crag]

So, I should be chain pulling faster
Undestood

Maybe 60-70% health?

[mighty valley]

it's just like

once the pack can be added to without real danger

do it

[mellow bridge]

50% is fine if it's actually 50%

there isn't an exact % but if you are going to chain and the mobs you chained will live a while

it's fine

[solid sun]

Ask for the casters to be killed first and then drag the melee mobs that don’t matter. Thats how I do it

Maybe that’s dumb

[azure crag]

One thing that infuritates me

I'll interrupt a caster to get them to meander into the death ball clump

And then it gets stunned for 6 seconds. And then proceeds to bolt the party at range.

[shrewd grove]

You can also just track your rogues vanish charges. If they're going to be out of charges for a while, throw em a bone and let them restealth. As with everything in M+ the key is to just be fluid. You can't have a rigid rule of when you chain pull a pack because every pack is different

[shrewd grove]

I interrupted a caster in Halls only to have our boomie knock it further away. I wanted to scream lol

[azure crag]

Tracking party CDs is definitely something I should do. But part me doesn't want to get used to it cause I'm pretty sure its going away in midnight.

Suppose that's no reason not to make use of it while its here, tho

[dense cradle]

if you aint using evoker racial to knock ML mines into mages

are you really playing

[shrewd grove]

They will almost definitely add a "Blizz UI" version of it in Midnight

[shrewd grove]

[solid sun]

Some of these midnight interviews are mentioning wanting specs to be more approachable

[azure crag]

My rule for chain pulling is context dependent, yeah.

Like, the big entrance hall in priory?
There will be no breaks. I do two packs at a time and continuously chain until everything is dead

[solid sun]

So I kinda hope some of our lesser seen friends, like rogues, get a glow up

[azure crag]

But the big room up the stairs?
I like finishing each pack before grabbing more

[shrewd grove]

I chain that top room so fucking hard lol

[azure crag]

Cause the light elementals and mages

[solid sun]

Those wizards can ruin a run

[shrewd grove]

Oh you mean the last room. I thought you meant after the first boss

Yeah. No. Fuck chaining the room before last boss

[mighty valley]

you kinda can't chain after the first boss right? you clear then respawns come in

guess you could stagger left and right

[azure crag]

After the first boss, yeah. That gets chained ALL THE WAY.
But the room up the stairs before the final boss, I do that like surgery

[shrewd grove]

The spawns that come in are always there. They're on the stairs and you can snag them with a heroic throw

[azure crag]

Cause too many things can go wrong up there

[shrewd grove]

100% I have exact locations I pull everything to and a marker on the floor for where to grab that pat lol

[solid sun]

I have been doing double pull double pull double pull

Not chaining

I wonder how much crying my squad would do if I chained

[mighty valley]

surgically pulling to ensure the entire room is consecration

[solid sun]

Yes

I remember some routes were like

Double pull quad pull or something genuinely horrific

But that’s never been me

[azure crag]

Man. Even as many times as I've been forced to run priory for the trinket, it's still probably my favorite dungeon this expansion

[solid sun]

I don’t kink shame

So I’m happy for you

[shrewd plinth]

I had a prot pally bouncing shield the big roaming pack and nail braunpyke II

I was not happy healing that

[mighty valley]

they're toned down most of the things I don't like about it now

still not close to a favorite lmao

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree with harrow, its chill now

not a favorite, but not bad

[solid sun]

I don’t find it chill now, but I do think it’s easier than last season

Eco is in the running for favorite. I like the scenery and it doesn’t stress me out

[azure crag]

lookin' at the rest of this expansions dungeons...
Yeah nah, I'd call priory my favorite.
And that might be more of an insult to the rest of them than props to priory.

[lusty grotto]

i dont like eco just because of the dumb nether lizard jumpers

[sterile orbit]

dfc goated

[shrewd plinth]

Eco scares me cause arcing zap

[azure crag]

I....did not care for darkflame cleft

[mighty valley]

I like dawnbreaker 90% of the time, then 10% of the time it breaks

[lusty grotto]

floodgate is the best one

fuck dfc

[shrewd plinth]

Everyone burns ints on ritualistic and then zap just buried someone

[mighty valley]

yeah floodgate rules

[azure crag]

Floodgate is very fun, that's my number 2

[mighty valley]

they saved dfc by nerfing it into the ground on ptr but i still didn't really enjoy it

[steep pivot]

tazavesh market 10

[solid sun]

City of Threads

[lusty grotto]

the jump skip on pugs is so dumb, so many druids that dont know charge intervenes in humanoid form

[azure crag]

City of threads was blizzard asking the question "Was court of stars a bad idea, or did we just do it wrong?"

No, it was a bad idea, stop doing this.

[plush tendon]

naw, court of stars was fun

city of threads was not

[lusty grotto]

CoT was fine, it was just too healing intensive

wayyyyyy too healing intensive

i liked the last boss though

mechanics wise

[plush tendon]

Court of Stars had better RP to

[azure crag]

I liked court better when my engineering buff actually turned OFF the mechanical mobs instead of just having them randomly get stunned every once in awhile

[solid sun]

Last boss was fun

[lusty grotto]

the 2nd to last boss can go fuck itself though

[plush tendon]

you take the boat, you sneak around shutting off lights, can pull first boss with trash

then you pick off the Lts. for second boss

[solid sun]

I like both stars and threads

[plush tendon]

and it was short

City of Threads was long

and obnoxious

[solid sun]

I never really understood the hate but maybe it was a high key thing idk

[lusty grotto]

didnt really feel long to me

[azure crag]

Court had its moments, it was fun despite itself.

City is just not fun.

[chrome falcon]

fucking monka dude jesus

[plush tendon]

Court of Stars rng

[chrome falcon]

court of stars is my favourite dungeon from legion but absolutely does not belong in modern m+ i think

[steep pivot]

hey, i just did streets 10, share your results ? my exe dam was high coz afix i guess

[solid sun]

AK is the worst dungeon this expansion imo

[chrome falcon]

preach

[mighty valley]

city was pretty fun as a casual run, the middle section was just boring and not really different in any way that mattered from run to run

[chrome falcon]

lmao i only did 3.8m i played defensive talents there

[lusty grotto]

Ara is pretty fucking dogshit ngl

[azure crag]

Eco-dome is pretty fun. Very easy, very straight forward.
I hate trying to wrangle mobs in this place

Everything either teleports or DOESN'T MOVE.

[chrome falcon]

wdym lets vote for the dungeon that has 4 mobs that make you deal 50% less damage 🙂

[steep pivot]

i see, youu did good even with defensives talents

[lusty grotto]

yeah 💯 \

[chrome falcon]

eco dome best dungeon this expansion imo

[mighty valley]

arakara with this week's affix is so fucking annoying lmao

[steep pivot]

i liked it too! very nice

[plush tendon]

Eco is the best of the new dungeons they made

The War Within dungeons overall have been pretty lackluster

[steep pivot]

got champion brand, this trink represents 7% of overall, insane

[plush tendon]

IMO

[chrome falcon]

yeah best dungeon from TWW for sure

lots of pulls that are like my ideal m+ pull

[plush tendon]

the best of the bunch might be Dawn

[chrome falcon]

1 big scary guy, 7 small idiots, 2 casters

[plush tendon]

but bugs really bring it down for me

[chrome falcon]

it's impossible to fairly judge dawnbreaker as a dungeon

[plush tendon]

and Floodgate is aight

[mighty valley]

yeah I think dawn is pretty good..... when it all works

[chrome falcon]

it's like rating a restaurant meal after it gave you food poisoning

[azure crag]

I will unfairly judge dawnbreaker, this dungeon sucks ass

[chrome falcon]

i don't care if it was actually pretty good

[azure crag]

And I don't know why its here

Yes I do, its cause of the trinket

[plush tendon]

I like Dawn especially with how many options for trash you have

[shrewd grove]

Dawn is fine when its not a buggy mess

[lusty grotto]

dawnbreaker i just fucking dislike the boat bugs

if the boats werent bugged

[steep pivot]

stonevault is fun too, brew... ara kara and city i didnt like.. i dont like open air dungeons, idk how to explapin it... like dawnbreaker... but eco dome is indeed fun

[lusty grotto]

it'd be solid

[azure crag]

But it IS A BUGGY MESS. That's my whole problem with it

[tribal wharf]

dawnbreaker sucks ass from a straw because i cant hit execute on the final fucking boss of the dungeon!

[lusty grotto]

yogi has a point

[azure crag]

Tol Dagor wouldn't suck half as much ass as it does if you couldn't pull half the instance by accident in there with AoE in different levels

but you can. So it sucks.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[chrome falcon]

for what content

[plush tendon]

I still dont quite understand dropping shield specilization

[chrome falcon]

also hell no that seems terrible

[plush tendon]

but this looks like talents for like a weekly 10

[steep pivot]

twilight devastatino agroin thru walls and other floors xD but i liked tol dagor

[chrome falcon]

yeah if it's just full blasting a 10 sure

do whatever you want lol

if anything does damage that setup is illegal as fuck though

[mighty valley]

speaking of execute, my actual biggest beef with sanguine depths back in the day... the final boss was INBETWEEN the condemn windows

[plush tendon]

yea, thats my thought

[mighty valley]

and it was a venthyr dungeon!!!!!!!!

[lusty grotto]

i will concede on your myth hunters thing, but i wont concede for keys

[plush tendon]

I dont know if Id drop shield spec in any real key

[chrome falcon]

oh running that just for full dps on soul hunters?

[lusty grotto]

or on heroic versions, cause new players will get fucked

[chrome falcon]

that seems legal

[azure crag]

I appreciate that dawnbreaker exists, I know it was definitely not an easy dungeon to do correctly....Which they didn't. You just straight up can't take pet classes into that place cause they DO NOT WORK.

[plush tendon]

yea, context matters

[jagged pier]

its fine in raid on most fights, in m+ it is illegal

[plush tendon]

counter, its illegal in pushing keys

prob fine for a 10

[chrome falcon]

you can do 10s with no talents at all probably

[jagged pier]

u get like next to nothing for dropping it tho

[tribal wharf]

tol dagor mostly sucked because the dungeon wasnt properly scaled and was too cramped a result and that the little tiny keys you could use to open the floor with the cages they only spawned exactly enough to open like 75% of the cages, the keys were super fucking tiny and hard to see locations and they still took longer than scroll of unlocking, which still took longer than bringing a rogue which still took longer than me having twilight dev and aiming it into the cages so they just walk out through the cage bars like fucking terminators

[jagged pier]

some more rage per chance

[plush tendon]

eh, at least its somethng

[tribal wharf]

AND THEN afer all that, there is the floor past that, that is hell to pull because of the casters

[plush tendon]

will I ever do it... prob not

[azure crag]

Even then, I wouldn't call dawnbreaker my most hated dungeon this expansion. It sucks, but it sucks for technical reasons. And even then, it's doable.

City of threads is just not fun.
None of it was fun.

[chrome falcon]

city of threads got way better the higher you went

it was absolute hell in a weekly 10-12

[tribal wharf]

the outside path with the 2 cannons WHICH USED TO BE ALOT OF FUN BECAUSE IT WAS INFINITE AMMO AND THEY MADE IT TO 3 SHOTS WTF BLIZZARD

[azure crag]

Ara Kara is also not fun.

[lusty grotto]

and after the balancing, the healing checks were just too high initially

[chrome falcon]

much better when you actually tried to push it

but yeah

the healing was just absurd

[tribal wharf]

and then you got 3rd boss that the dps hardly ever move the bombs

[shrewd grove]

This. Doing weeklies was actually worse than push keys a lot of times

[tribal wharf]

so its now a dps race instead of mechanics

more bullshit stiars trash

[chrome falcon]

gun to my head if i had to pug and time the key i'd probably go 12 instead of 10

[tribal wharf]

into the most bullshit final boss of any wow dungeon ever

in bfa, i have wiped so many times to the final of td

bricked countless keys this ways

[lusty grotto]

likewise

[azure crag]

BFA had a serious "Every dungeon is a hallway" issue

[tribal wharf]

and i still like the dungeon, despite that shit

but i would never "yogi +20 tol dagor when??????"

not for any possible reason, unless really really good mou nt

even kings rest i liked except for before final boss was the magic shadow guy or something

totally fucked us if we didnt have SW and SR and probably externals ready

i didnt like the 2nd boss room (ANY of it fuck the poison oozes and fuck the he puts you in a tomb and drains healers life), didnt like you can actually fall off 3rd boss and die

but i enjoyed the dungeon, and i looked forwards to gettin its loot and trinkets and such

[azure crag]

I didn't mind king's rest. I wouldn't even mind it coming back, though I would not enjoy the second boss at all.

But Tol Dagor, if you told me it was coming back

my entire soul would evacuate my body

[tribal wharf]

if tol dagor came back as a keystone, and you had to do it at a +20

i would not unless was with microphone and real players not bots

[azure crag]

"There is no way blizzard can fix that place" would be my first response.
And it would be my second and third, because there is no way blizzard can fix that place.

[solid sun]

Kings Rest was sick as hell when we had that affix that took you through the shadow realm with mini bosses

Skipping strategic moments

[tribal wharf]

temple was pretty shit for most part too

[lusty grotto]

BFA's best dungeon outside of Snap-included AD, was Junkyard

period, end of story

[tribal wharf]

lots of fights in voice about temple

[azure crag]

Correct and based

[tribal wharf]

i hated the lightning circles on final boss of temple

[lusty grotto]

FP gets a hard 3rd

just because people didnt know what to do on captainss

and shark ogre just farmed pugs as well

[azure crag]

God, I loved freehold

[tribal wharf]

freehold is the easiest dungeon ever i will say

[azure crag]

to this day, seeing people get eaten by sharks puts a smile on my face

[lusty grotto]

and sethraliss will always have a spot on my heart cause of the first boss Tornado reflect but...

otherwise its whatever

[tribal wharf]

they need to give more dungeons the free hold treatment of, uh, just simply have it a dungeon that ppl encounter alot more frequently in LFD

so that, uh, ppl just like casually play those dungeons

and learn wtf

i dont have proper words rn

[azure crag]

I loved how free form freehold was.
Just

You are on a map. It is full of pirates. Kill enough of them and defeat the bosses. Okay bye

[solid sun]

I like the tide wizard temple

Because it looked cool

[tribal wharf]

i feel like, its like, when a new mega dungeon comes out

[waxen frigate]

Why are you typing like Obama

My, uh, fellow protection warriors.

[tribal wharf]

the players at lvl 80 81 82 i suppose it will be

leveling up fucking around

[solid sun]

Have you ever seen Yogi and Obama in the same room?

[tribal wharf]

those players should see the new mega dungeon day 1, week 1,

[waxen frigate]

😳

[tribal wharf]

in the lfd on normal tuned modes

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-rollygifs-happy-day-great-day-blessed-gif-17102123962777657223

[chrome falcon]

sethraliss has some parts that are very much not whatever and nothing about it that is very good

but i think a few tweaks would improve it for sure

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-exploding-so-silly-gif-15918586977293620068

[mighty valley]

Let me be clear. Doom Eternal is not on the same level as Doom 2016. On this, my fellow Americans agree.

[chrome falcon]

the bazaar in streets treatment for the bullshit at the end

[lusty grotto]

the ball thing was reworked in the timewalking versions

so

if it shows up again

its very decent

[solid sun]

Idk the electro ball obstacle course was cool

[tribal wharf]

cuz like the players have heard and seen on social media and youtube and twitter and face book, new wow mega dungeon

[lusty grotto]

the heal check on the sandy guy though... we will have to see

[chrome falcon]

well

[tribal wharf]

but they arent good at the game and dont play much they are still only lvl 82

[solid sun]

I didn’t mind the eyes in the snake statue portion either

[chrome falcon]

every class has 4 more defensive than we did in bfa

[solid sun]

Just eliminating entire generations worth of snake people

[chrome falcon]

so would be more chill probably

[lusty grotto]

i did mind it cause people fucked it up

rogues made or broke that key on that portion

[azure crag]

Blizzard's gotta stop bringing back shadowlands dungeons.

Besides De other side. They can bring that one back again if they want.
But stop making me relive the shadowlands please.

[tribal wharf]

and then at least that way, everyones playing it, so everyones going to know, this is how the dungeon is, you just simply did it on the easy mode before

[chrome falcon]

DoS is the worst shadowlands dungeon

just because it takes 45 minutes

[tribal wharf]

so you arent going into week 4 keys and ppl are like braindead zombies inside of it

[chrome falcon]

and shadowlands dungeons are alla pretty rough

both tazza dungeons are better than anything else in shadowlands

[azure crag]

De other side had
A really good trinket LMAO.
But I also just didn't mind it, it was fun. And the pulls were colossal

[solid sun]

The plague one is good

[mighty valley]

i'd take a lot of shadowlands dungeons with some tweaks over the vibeless tww dungeons

[tribal wharf]

karazhan was fucking fantastic

[lusty grotto]

fuck that trinket if you mean cheat

fuck it to hell, hope it never shows up again

[chrome falcon]

scale surely

[lusty grotto]

the amount of fighting in this discord over it

was fucking stupid

people cant understand "use cheat only if you need it otherwise its a dead trinket slot"

[chrome falcon]

blizz needs to make it very clear that any time an old dungeon returns it's going to get a trinket reshuffle

we cannot CANNOT be voting for dungeons based on trinkets

absolutely illegal braindead shit

[azure crag]

The blood spattered scale?

[mighty valley]

i forget the tuning on scale, it fell off at some point in the expac

[chrome falcon]

it was literally your entire hp bar and more in season 1 then scaled like shit

[mighty valley]

yeah that sounds right

[chrome falcon]

i got it max ilvl week 2 vault of the expansion and it was like.... oh this button just lets me afk

like it was impossible to break the shield before it timed out

[mighty valley]

also we needed whatever we could get to live in s1 lol

though in s2 we got aegis

[lusty grotto]

yeah s1 was cursed

[chrome falcon]

shadowlands season 1 was the worst period of my life and genuinely only 50% of that is because i was Literally Dying

[azure crag]

aawww, that's unfortunate.
I liked the scale, but I also didn't stick around long enough in the shadowlands to see it fall off

[chrome falcon]

the other 50% is because of the state of warrior

[lusty grotto]

it made me quit

[azure crag]

After Sylvanas, I just dipped out

No more shadowlands for me.

[chrome falcon]

i played fucking guardian druid that season man

that's how bad it was

[lusty grotto]

i had to swap to vdh

[chrome falcon]

i should have done that as well

[lusty grotto]

and after a few weeks i was like

nah

this aint for me

unsubbed

and then every streamer unsubbed

[azure crag]

Shadowlands was the first time blizzard was like "What if tanks were a burden on their party instead of the protector?"

[solid sun]

I played the entirety of Shadowlands as a prot paladin

[azure crag]

I don't know who the fuck thought that was a good idea, but I hope they got fired.

[mighty valley]

what

you still needed a tank to do a dungeon lmao

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[onyx needle]

Query, i am noticing a difference in recommend weapon enchants and flask between the main guides. So which is actually better, Council's Guile or Authority of the Depths and Alchemical Chaos or Tempered Aggression?

[chrome falcon]

but the defining factor of every single key

[solid sun]

I don’t feel like a burden at all

[chrome falcon]

was just "is our tank going to die if they pull more than 2 packs"

[solid sun]

I often felt like I was the party tbh

[chrome falcon]

and the answer was almost always yes

[lusty grotto]

what is this a star trek computer?

[azure crag]

Yeah, you did. But you couldn't actually TANK.
You had to run away while the party killed the mobs for you

[lusty grotto]

the answer is sim to enchants

[azure crag]

and slowed them down

and did everything they could to keep you alive

I felt like a god damn burden the whole time.

Only strong while my CDs were up

[ruby musk]

Sim it. I did that yesterday and it was still saying to keep depths and chaos.

[mighty valley]

eh, after we got reprisal, the kiting thing was slightly overstated

[azure crag]

I don't know if it got better in the later seasons, but I didn't stick around to find out

[lusty grotto]

careful

ST sims will favor depths

[ruby musk]

I ran it for both ST and AoE

[lusty grotto]

depending on your stats

[ruby musk]

My stats are still a little wonky

[lusty grotto]

ok, good

[dusky canopy]

I favor your moms depths

HAH Gottem

[mighty valley]

the first few weeks of s1 were truly bad, but tanks got across the board survival and threat buffs, and eventually they gave us a legendary that did something

[lusty grotto]

[azure crag]

I heard blood dk was overpowered in the last season of shadowlands. A little sad I missed that, but if it meant playing more shadowlands, I'm not too broken up about not experiencing it

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

more like the later half

when the 2h showed up

not last season

[solid sun]

You said you played until sylvanas. Bdk became great right after that

[lusty grotto]

2-3 seasons

[solid sun]

Iirc

[azure crag]

aw that's unfortuante lmao

[lusty grotto]

but also

we gained banner

so we were in a good place

gameplay wise

[solid sun]

Ppal was also good

[mighty valley]

yeah prot warrior was actually great in s3 and on, but our PR was in the gutter

[solid sun]

We had some solid tanks

[lusty grotto]

exactly what Harrow said

[solid sun]

Wasn’t bear also mostly fine

[neon elk]

I like gdruid in SL , especialy the cocain bear in later seasons

[mighty valley]

s2 was actually some of the closest tank balance ever

s3 was looking good til bdks started getting gavels

[lusty grotto]

☝️

gavel is what i meant by "getting the 2h"

[plush tendon]

well it was gavel

and perma DRW

on top of perma 40% strength

kind of hard to beat that

[solid sun]

Im trying to revisit my dungeon thoughts. I feel like I enjoyed both of the pixie forest dungeons. I liked Halls in the vampire zone. I enjoyed all of Taz. And I liked the plague dungeon in the zombie zone

[mighty valley]

remember bears using gavel despite no agi lmao

[obtuse egret]

Are you guys anticipating another damge nerf from the post race tuning? Im reading the prot warrior is an outlier in raid... the worst place to be good 🤣

[frosty mango]

Shadowlands dungeons were great with the exception of halls

[frosty mango]

Doubt it

[plush tendon]

eh, I thought Mists was pretty meh

[obtuse egret]

You dont think so? Thank god haha, im having a great time

[plush tendon]

and then we had the one in Bastion

with the angels

[mighty valley]

yeah, spires is my rock bottom dungeon

[frosty mango]

If they nerf us again they’re stupid, our damage relative to dps is perfectly fine

[jagged pier]

yes

[frosty mango]

Ok yea slides was ass

[plush tendon]

NW had its issues at higher key

was fine for weeklies

[mighty valley]

they fixed nw eventually, it was pretty bad if you didn't play it perfect

[obtuse egret]

oh no I hope not

[plush tendon]

Halls of Atonement was prob the best of the bunch

[obtuse egret]

Do you think they would eventually reduce battle shout to 3% to match intellect?

[plush tendon]

I also like Sanguine Depths

[lusty grotto]

does it matter, will you reroll another tank if they nerf?

[obtuse egret]

dont plan to, just like getting into keys fast

[plush tendon]

you will

tanks get into keys whenever they want

[mighty valley]

sanguine depths had its problems but the jar routing was really fun

[azure crag]

I like beating the DPS on the meter

[plush tendon]

assuming they have ok I level and the IO semi decent

for the key they are singing up for

[lusty grotto]

if you like beating dps on the meter, that key aint good

thats not a position you want to be in

[azure crag]

No it isn't, but it is funny

[plush tendon]

yea, if DPS are doing less damage then me in keys

we are in for a rough ride

its funny for like a second

then you realise... that you are stuck with those idiots

[frosty mango]

You think so? 90th percentile warrior parses are still vastly below almost all of the dps parses (even the bad ones) which says to me it’s not that warrior is too strong, the other tanks need buffs

[lusty grotto]

idiot(s)

[frosty mango]

I mean also blizz is blizz so

You’re prob right

[lusty grotto]

cause it could be plural

[obtuse egret]

True, but in my experience they just nerf the "outlier" not buff the floor

[jagged pier]

it not about beating dps its about being ahead of all the other tank specs, in raid

thats what they tune around

[obtuse egret]

Exactly. Raid is the worst palce to be good

[azure crag]

when I'm doing +10s to help guildies get their myth track gear for the week, I'll take the tiny hits of dopamine I can get.
If they were all doubling my damage and the key was going faster though, that would be much better. I agree.

[plush tendon]

prob just target SS damage

[jagged pier]

they dont usually care that we do about the same as brew and pala in dungeons

[plush tendon]

or execute

[lusty grotto]

nooooooooooo

[frosty mango]

Guess we shouldn’t have sandbagged the monks lol

[lusty grotto]

anything but execute

[plush tendon]

or the tier itself

[lusty grotto]

we cant have DF execute back

that shit was bad

[obtuse egret]

Suppose with Havoc DH and Frost DK being in a lot of teams that gives battle shout more value.

[plush tendon]

they could also nerf MT extra execute/revenge damage

[solid sun]

I’ve been trying to tell y’all to change the narrative

[plush tendon]

or they could do nothing

[lusty grotto]

that could be acceptable Augusto

[plush tendon]

and buff the underpreforming tanks and hero talents

[lusty grotto]

that last one at least

[obtuse egret]

or just let warrior have fun for once haha. I think doing more damage should be warriors thing. The others get the utility, warrior gets being a dps

[plush tendon]

even with a nerf, warrior will still be awesome

I think Prots in a great spot

[solid sun]

Warrior has utility though, is the problem with that

[jagged pier]

its a hard nerf. nerfing tier set wont really cut it because its the rage gen thats the issue, and if they nerf that, then our defensiveness gets hit

but we will see

[lusty grotto]

monks are slapping in raid so idk if its a warrior problem

[plush tendon]

of the 4 tanks I play, they have become the most enjoyable

[jagged pier]

what they/ if they do anything

[lusty grotto]

im gonna go with... they are going to go the s2 route and just not nerf

[azure crag]

I'd prefer other tanks having their DPS brought up, cause threat is still an issue that crops up.

[plush tendon]

cant stand the hero talents for DH, Prot Paladin Lightsmith is so meh, and DK... well blood has its own issues

[frosty mango]

Guardian Druid does better than war in raid imo just rarely played as well

[obtuse egret]

I checked the overall stats on logs and warrior is way ahead

[pure pebble]

Hey guys, warrior is basically the last tank I havent played yet so sorry for simple questions.
I 've been slamming dummies now for a while, and from what I've understood in video guides I need haste to be able to have enough uptime on shield block?

But I cant seem to find what it is that causes that?

[frosty mango]

Not sure logs are completely reliable yet bc myth parse data set is still very small in the later bosses

[plush tendon]

SB CD is hasted; more haste, lower cooldown on Shield block

[pure pebble]

oh so it just straight up recharges faster with haste?

[lusty grotto]

look at the cd

[plush tendon]

yes sir

[obtuse egret]

Fair, i hope thats the case. Im just seeing it happen like last season. Colossus warrior slapped in raid then got nerfed because of it

[lusty grotto]

if a cd is Green, its affected by haste, in otherwords "sped up"

[pure pebble]

wow I didnt actually know that, after 20 years of wow

TIL

[obtuse egret]

DUDE! I had no idea this was a thing hahaha

changed my life

[lusty grotto]

welcome fellow 20 y/o

[plush tendon]

I had a ret paladin in my guild ask me if we should bring a disc priest for a key, because he thought prot war got rage from getting hit

[lusty grotto]

obligatory "leap resets taunt cd"

[pure pebble]

Also how much are you supposed to stance dance in "high keys"? like a 15 or above?

[plush tendon]

and Im like 'this aint classic buddy'

[lusty grotto]

none

you stay in dstance

this aint DF

[pure pebble]

the wowhead guide says otherwise :D

[obtuse egret]

Ive been living in battle stance a lot on bosses

in 15/16s

[plush tendon]

you can; but the cost benefit analysis of worrying too much about it isnt there

[pure pebble]

it might be related to raiding tho I suppose

[lusty grotto]

yes

[plush tendon]

its basically just 3% crit to be in battle stance

whereas d stance gives so much DR

[lusty grotto]

battle stance is reserved for you not taking damage on boss fights, aka not being the active tank

[plush tendon]

or content is trivial

[lusty grotto]

but even then its such a small optimization

[plush tendon]

like, Ill be in B-Stance for a +2

[pure pebble]

fair. Thanks for all the replies!

[obtuse egret]

I got me an ire trinket in LFR last night, paid 30k for it from some DPS off roll. Man its great. Did 675M in my 15 halls. Great dungeon to keep it stacked

[lusty grotto]

you paid

30k? for an LFR trinket?

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[plush tendon]

chump change

[pure pebble]

I mean tbf 30k is nothing

[obtuse egret]

yeah man, I was expecting him to want 100k

[pure pebble]

for most people anyway

[obtuse egret]

Im a DPS in raid. I aint seeing a heroic one for a while

[lusty grotto]

its an LFR trinket

[plush tendon]

you dont gamble with wow gold do you 😛

[lusty grotto]

it'll be outsimmed by Hero track pace

[plush tendon]

Ill lose 150k in one hand

[obtuse egret]

Even LFR is better than my other trinkets

[lusty grotto]

the fuck are you guys doing lmao

[pure pebble]

people deathroll hundreds of thousands of gold in a raid, they wont worry about 30k when they're sitting on multiple goldcaps : P

[plush tendon]

Rat might be a brokie

[lusty grotto]

hey deathrolling is an investment

on fun

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

30k on an LFR trinket is

burning 30k

[obtuse egret]

Right an normally people instantly put "200k" in chat after winning rolls on trinkets. I hate group loot in pugs

[plush tendon]

ya, but what color is your bugatti?

[solid sun]

I only have 40k gold

and I keep having to repair

[lusty grotto]

you right, i only have 3 mil

[obtuse egret]

I have 9M on account. Ill pay 30k for a trinket that will cover me till turbo boost potentially

[lusty grotto]

but it wont

cause hero track pace will outsim it

[plush tendon]

damn, in this economy

cant even afford your wow mortgage coming soon

[obtuse egret]

It dosent, ive simmed. Ire is 26K ahead

[lusty grotto]

26k...

is

[mighty valley]

poverty brothers 🤝

[lusty grotto]

0.2% lol

or 0.1 or even less

lmao

thats a sneeze

[solid sun]

You and me against the world

[mighty valley]

i've never had a million gold in my entire wow career

[lusty grotto]

ive been gold capped

[mighty valley]

i've only spiked into six digits when i get an early season boe drop lol

[lusty grotto]

BFA was good to me

boosting etc

bronto purchased easily

[solid sun]

I can get six digits when I buy gold from blizzard but I rarely ever do that ever

[lusty grotto]

but after that i havent really boosted etc so fuck it

[obtuse egret]

Thats a patchwerk sim. Ill sim dungeon slice now

[lusty grotto]

and i only goblin minimally

[lusty grotto]

our apl isnt optimized for dungeon slice

5 target

[obtuse egret]

5 target in patchwerk still?

[lusty grotto]

1.5 min usually, but since youre simming brand go full 5m

[obtuse egret]

Will do. Is it hectic add cleave profile or still patchwerk?

[lusty grotto]

patchwerk

[waxen frigate]

patchwerk is the only thing you ever need to sim on a tank

dungeon slice does not work for any tank spec

[solid sun]

How’s osrs

[obtuse egret]

Noted

[lusty grotto]

didnt MDT sims work for VDH for a while?

but yeah like Nish says i never use any other option

on any tank

but tbf i just do it cause im lazy, ive never checked if the others work or not on the other discords

just slap a 5T patchwork 1min/1.5min on all tanks and go about my day

[toxic pewter]

dang brand trinket truly is no joke does a lot of dam

do we still have to like account for it not having strength on the trinket though these days

[mighty valley]

sims do that accounting for you

[toxic pewter]

ya true

[azure crag]

Man, it feels weird that neither of my trinkets got strength on 'em

[mighty valley]

but yeah you can't just look at a trinket's details contribution and learn much of anything

other than "nice... bar big"

[charred shard]

How to sim with Tome ? Got lucky and got the Myth track one, but the APL that was in pins previous seasons is crashing raidbot currently

[mighty valley]

it's baked in now

just reset to default apl and it'll sim fine

[charred shard]

Sweet, ty

[plush tendon]

The brand trinket is pretty good, but I think its a little overhyped

if you constantly drop/refresh stacks it really loses out on value

[mighty valley]

we solved this earlier

[lusty grotto]

but it doesnt

[mighty valley]

you simply always pull next when current pack is at 0.0001 pisslow gigashit%

[lusty grotto]

its 1 stack every 3 seconds

on decay its fairly slow

[plush tendon]

is it one every 3 you gain?

[lusty grotto]

its not kezan

it has a lot of leeway

[plush tendon]

I found it pretty good in most dungeons

[lusty grotto]

i think even cataclysmic brand had faster decay, but i could be wrong

[plush tendon]

I just wouldnt use mine in streets

[lusty grotto]

yeah streets is pretty

fucked for it i guess

[plush tendon]

everywhere else its fine

Gambit its really nice

[lusty grotto]

but honestly you can just pull for RP

[plush tendon]

cause you are pretty much guaranteed to have full stacks going into the boss fights

and a fully stacked brand on that last boss

stonks

[lusty grotto]

pull in to bosses, have someone pre activate bazaar so the mini boss is up while running to mailroom

i still dont have it so i cant say, but my route just makes RP whatever

[plush tendon]

I need to fuck around with my streets route

so that we are doing mini boss while healer does RP for last

you think pull 7 is illegal?

6 peacekeepers 1 caster

[round pendant]

why not pull the pack up-right

[plush tendon]

the muscle?

[round pendant]

yea

[plush tendon]

I had that in my OG route, but Im trying to find a way to do mini boss before we do last boss

right now, weve been doing it after meanergie

and using that area to walk

ill take a look at it later; Im pretty sure you can time a 16/17 of this dungeon with a straight W route

[lusty grotto]

i honestly just do this

drawn #10 to actiivate that RP and spawn Overseer

while running to pull 10

skipping last mini boss is rough for brand though

so i might just pull it and cut somewhere, probably pull 9

[undone beacon]

Did they ever fix the mini?

Or is it still not scaling it’s chain thing

[elfin elk]

I thought the mini boss skip was kinda fucked now

Is it consistent to do?

[lusty grotto]

its doable

but we're talking with brand as context

[lament osprey]

I usually do 7 peacekeepers add them to 6.

[lusty grotto]

not with brand you dont

you want to be in combat

so you run them into menagerie

[lament osprey]

So hard on mobile :C I can show my route

[lusty grotto]

i think youre missing the point

[lusty grotto]

☝️

dropping combat is banned

or at least for long periods of time

[toxic pewter]

do vdh do low damage or something just ripped aggro off one on heroic demesius

wiped the entire raid

happened like 2 times in a row

[lusty grotto]

they are the lowest dps tank rn but

thats probably not the issue

[toxic pewter]

wat the issue

i not even taunting i have logs to prove it

[lusty grotto]

them not playing correctly

[toxic pewter]

yeah going again last time

[lament osprey]

[lusty grotto]

whats he playing?

FS?

cause if hes playing Aldrachi, hes inting

[high latch]

Not great, but not bad

[lusty grotto]

probably has a m+ spec on or something

[ruby musk]

I play with a VDH cotank and I can rip agro off him just by lucky crit strings sometimes.

Its pretty rare but can happen

[jagged pier]

i tank with a prot pala

and hes not bad ither doing orange and im still getting aggro everynow and then

[lusty grotto]

prot pally ST just stinks

[jagged pier]

yep

[lusty grotto]

aoe they are decent

[jagged pier]

yep

[ruby musk]

That prot warrior outlier line is crazy though lol

[lusty grotto]

look at VDH though

top parses are so far of from the mid

[ruby musk]

Yeah

[jagged pier]

i mean that graph is kinda dudu tbh

[lusty grotto]

its cause dumbasses run aldrachi thinking its the spec to play in ST probably

[jagged pier]

its hc

all %tiles

and dimensus

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[jagged pier]

where u literally are kinda of all funneled into not much damage

[high latch]

Because the discussion was about that exactly

[lusty grotto]

doesnt really show anything

[jagged pier]

no he just said deminsus

when its just an aggro issue

[high latch]

"do vdh do low damage or something just ripped aggro off one on heroic demesius"

[lusty grotto]

here's a better one

[lusty grotto]

yup hes an idiot

[toxic pewter]

yeah no wonder

i even did a rare holding back on my dps

and i still almsot ripped i was watching my theat meter

wat in the world

[ruby musk]

Is it weird if my tank went reaver and his damage went up? Lol

[lusty grotto]

on what fight

[ruby musk]

All of them

[lusty grotto]

cause if he can game the funnel

with adds

[ruby musk]

I think something just clicked for him and he's now magically doing great compared to S2

[lusty grotto]

that is to say, if he knows how to play around Wounded Quarry

[ruby musk]

Like he got his rotation down or found an interaction or something

[lusty grotto]

or he could just be getting better gear

and youre comparing with different bases

FS isnt harder to play than reaver

[ruby musk]

Maybe. I did gap him pretty badly last season.

[lusty grotto]

its actually a lot easier

[ruby musk]

Yeah. Fel seems like the play for raiding

Now we just get to laugh when he hits hunt and finds new ways to yeet himself to death.

[lusty grotto]

weird cause i havent seen sketchy hunt scenarios

except dimmy

i guess

[toxic pewter]

is funneling mean they do more damage to like a single prio target with more mobs surrouding it

[lusty grotto]

but yeah it happens, looking at you King Mechanon

[lusty grotto]

yup

[toxic pewter]

can we funnel at all

[lusty grotto]

just funneling damage

we can reverse funnel

[toxic pewter]

is our aoe execute sort of like a funnel

[lusty grotto]

with execute

[toxic pewter]

mm

hmmm

what mob are they attacking when they funnel

they targeting the prio target?

[lusty grotto]

they have to put wounded quarry on the prio target

and then they can just attack whatever, just cleave

[toxic pewter]

so isnt our aoe execute a funnel cuz we attacking lower hp mobs that arent the prio a lot of the time right

or am i just misunderstanding

[lusty grotto]

i just said its a reverse funnel

[hasty shale]

Hey, I have just started tanking and I'm having trouble tracking % or remembering routes lol is there an addon to help with that? Except mdt

[lusty grotto]

cause you have to target an executable mob

[toxic pewter]

why that reverse and not just funnel

[lusty grotto]

because youre not putting in prio targetting

err prio damage

[toxic pewter]

what if the aoe execute hits the prio

[lusty grotto]

low hp mobs become the target to funnel unto the rest

thats the point apb

thats why its a reverse funnel

[toxic pewter]

ok I think I get what you mean when you say reverse

[lusty grotto]

you want execute to hit the prio target while they are not executable

thats why its reversed

[remote hollow]

Did i go too hard on haste? 24k haste

[lusty grotto]

no, youre still missing haste

[toxic pewter]

ok true and we should be doing that right

[lusty grotto]

yes

[remote hollow]

please can some1 explain me why sometimes it feels like im invulnerable even on big pulls, and sometimes few mobs wreck me like truck?

i play VDH mostly, and war is my 2nd tank

[jagged pier]

shield block gaps most likely

[remote hollow]

so.. first rage spender should be blocks not ignore pain right?

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

also back hits

punish stacks

TB debuff

demo shout

[chrome falcon]

ignore pain is bottom prio for spending rage

you should always have enough rage to revenge if you need to

ignore pain is only used to dump excess rage

[remote hollow]

mmm.. feels like i have good way to learn

spam keys, get logs and be roasted here to learn... if i can ask for log roasting

[lusty grotto]

we dont do roasting

well

not on logs

if you get roasted on logs let us know so we roast them back

for being a holes

[remote hollow]

i played back in df s1 s2, and the log roasting was one of ways i could see my issues, and what i have been doing wrong/right

i played bdk/ppala

[lusty grotto]

take a look in #1347646810457636974

[chrome falcon]

erm.........

[lusty grotto]

again, ive played for a long time and been here for a long time, if theres anyone roasting you and not giving you actual advice let us know

[remote hollow]

ill do when i got some logs from 12-13 keys

[lusty grotto]

the only people that get roasted is the "im doing things correctly and youre all wrong" people

[remote hollow]

usually by roasting i mean seeing when i used wrong GCD etc, i dont mean actual roasting or bullying

just to clarify

[lusty grotto]

thats just giving advice

but yeah i got it

[solid sun]

I didn’t get roasted

And I’m easy to roast

[remote hollow]

somehow back in DF ppl called it roasting

well anyway.. just wanted to say that log review is one of best ways to improve, at least to see what experienced players can comment about my rotation/CD use

[lusty grotto]

we didnt

at least not here

[jagged pier]

[remote hollow]

maybe then bdk community was a little more brutal hehe

[lusty grotto]

we actually want people to submit logs to help em out

not to scare them away from it

that doesnt help anybody

and roasting has a specific meaning

[remote hollow]

remember one guy constantly saying over and over again to follow rotation to keep urself alive but many ppl just struggled as BDK back then

bdk honestly is most unrewarding tank so far... u do 1 single mistake = cheat death

u do 2nd mistake = dead

[lusty grotto]

not unlike us getting back hit

thats a guaranteed death depending on difficulty

[remote hollow]

agree... felt that on VDH

esp gambit mobs before boss2 and tacticians in DB

[lusty grotto]

i mean vdh has self sustain

we dont

so they can fix back hits

we cant

the fix is not get back hit

[remote hollow]

yeah already good advice i have got here

[jagged pier]

i mean the fix is too follow the rotation

[remote hollow]

wellp.. tbh im not very familiar with pwar rotation yet

during avatar i press 1 clap then 1 gcd? like execute/shield slam/revenge/CD?

or i go full ham on shield slams to make it CD all the time

and press only lightning strike not regular clap

i just dont get it yet

[lusty grotto]

TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Exe

[remote hollow]

like.. shield slams = rage = survivability = rage spending and avatar uptime

[lusty grotto]

thats it

[orchid mango]

Hey guys, please help me to decide what to get out from my vault. I got a mythic pacemaker and a mythic tome in my vault. Which has more value in mythic tier? I'm willing to farm the other in +10s

[remote hollow]

whats TC? got all others

ah

clap

[lusty grotto]

thunder clap

[lusty grotto]

tome

[solid sun]

I agree with mouse

[orchid mango]

thank you

[shrewd grove]

SS and TB swap for ST rotation right? Unless you'll cap on TB charges on next SS proc

[lusty grotto]

no

TB is prio on everything

[shrewd grove]

Oh really?

[lusty grotto]

SS is only higher prio than TB for Outburst

specifically for outburst

in ST

[shrewd grove]

Bro, I've been fucking up. My parses could be so much higher....

Incoming 100s

[solid sun]

lol storm look at you messing it up

[lusty grotto]

at 2+ targets TB takes over for Outburst

[solid sun]

Absolutely biffing it

[shrewd grove]

No, dont perceive me!!!

[remote hollow]

but.. lets say im overcapping free execute stacks, should i dump them? or still SS/TB is superior priority

[solid sun]

Not like me who definitely doesn’t mess that up regularly

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt be running SD in keys, so im assuming youre referring to raids?

[remote hollow]

nono, keys

[lusty grotto]

dont play SD

[remote hollow]

i was using build from wowhead

[shrewd grove]

You're such a distinguished looking gentleman, you couldn't possibly be messing up