over a healing pot
#protection
lusty grotto
idle copper
i kinda just press it on big pulls to help the healer out
lusty grotto
i probably do it for heal absorbs and thats about it
mighty valley
you'll generally help the healer out more by keeping your core rotation going
idle copper
no idea sorry
lusty grotto
im not even mad, im impressed
idle copper
you mean use it with shield wall somehow?
lusty grotto
even if you dont know what Shield Wall is
you've surely heard the term "wall"
for basically any defensive
idle copper
i do yep but not in the context of using IV with it?
lusty grotto
read what Harrow said again
sterile orbit
long day sorry
same
lusty grotto
stop focusing on IV
idle copper
yep , sorry, i try and optimise SW as much as possible and have it up for big pulls etc
lusty grotto
literally nothing to look at there
lusty grotto
yep , sorry, i try and optimise SW as much as possible and have it up for big pu...
which is why he replied specifically to you saying "i kinda just press it on big pulls to help the healer out"
i hate to say it again but
we're not self sustain tanks
idle copper
i think im SW ok, just done a 12 HOA and i bottom of the healers charts out of the grouped healed - so hopefully didnt streess them much
lusty grotto
stop thinking like one
healing meters do not
DO NOT matter
at all
period
end of story
it matters to BDKs for some fucking reason, but not to us
lusty grotto
sure
thats probably fine but nothing to focus on
nor to flex on
every prot warrior will be 2nd on the healing meters
unless the healer is afk and watching netflix or is a carry or something idk
pliant iris
Mitigate Mitigate Mitigate
round pendant
are we gonna get another Triple Threat achievement this season
if they do I hope they make it 12s this time
round pendant
10s are too easy, don't even really have to know your spec that goodge
lusty grotto
for hpal goodness
stoic pilot
Couple questions regarding MT tier set procs, do I just use them when they come up naturally in the rotation after exhausting shield slams? Or am I just hitting it the moment a reset happens
lusty grotto
either case is fine
a reset is usually a lot of damage though
but its kinda hard to optimize around rng procs
in aoe youre prio'ing TB anyway
so that problem goes away
stoic pilot
So you're prioing TB over SS in aoe?
lusty grotto
ST your prio is SS, so you can probably optimize around tier procs
you prio TB over SS at 2 or more targets
so hopefully that answers your question
stiff urchin
hello guys, can I see in logs how many Severe Thunder procs I wasted? or if somebody can help me in logs what im doing wrong, I feel I'm missing something and couldnt figure what: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3qbacXCkMfJBPDnw?fight=29&type=damage-done&source=131
stoic pilot
Yeah no that makes sense, just trying to make sure coming back to MT i'm not building any bad habits
Ty for the info
lusty grotto
hello guys, can I see in logs how many Severe Thunder procs I wasted? or if some...
your problem is youre not using execute
not ionizing strike
you have 5.5 execute CPM
when it should be
8-10
stiff urchin
you mean execute procs or even execute when boss is in execute range?
tardy crane
Having a tiny bit of trouble in raid with a brew co tank grabbing snap threat early in the fight, is this a common thing where they just do more burst in opener or is it something i can fix?
lavish stratus
yea in my case is the exact opposite
stiff urchin
youre casting half the executes compared to higher parsing prots
okay yeah that's it, im literarily missing around 20+ casts... tyvm
lusty grotto
np, get that parse up friend!
frosty mango
Having a tiny bit of trouble in raid with a brew co tank grabbing snap threat ea...
When you say early do you mean like first 2 seconds?
Or like he’s pulling off you
tardy crane
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XbWKYG2py4xAD1rz?fight=37&type=threat
Here, he grabs threat .2s before the soak cast on myth forgeweaver
obviously that pull my damage is ass because i wasn't used to tanking the echo, in other pulls where i am on the boss I'm getting 95-99 parses for the wipes
tardy crane
When you say early do you mean like first 2 seconds?
in the first 2s it's 50/50 whether he has threat or me
but that's just a taunt and then it's fine
mighty valley
just pick one person and have them taunt on pull, right
tardy crane
but there's been a few times where just before the soak cast, he rips threat and i'm not fast enough to realise and taunt it back
frosty mango
You’re not doing anything too egregious he’s just playing really tight, if you’re tanking first then taunt as you charge and you’ll get the bonus threat on your thunder blasts
If both tanks are full sending you’ll need to abuse your taunt bonus to ensure that doesn’t happen, which usually means you’ll hold a thunder blast when taunt is coming and then send it immediate after the taunt, followed by shield slam
frosty mango
The aforementioned taunt gaming will probably solve your problem in the short term while you work to tighten your play
frosty mango
lol bro hit that boss with a nuke
lusty grotto
yeah
frosty mango
tardy crane
yeah this is my first tier playing warrior in raid so not great with catching every SS or thunderblast proc exactly when i should, still a work in progress!
also, is our damage kind of rng to an extent?
as in, thunderblast resets and shield slam resets
mighty valley
in theory but it normalizes over any reasonable timeframe
lusty grotto
SS is fairly consistent, i wouldnt really call it RNG
but sure tier procs and TB resets are quite RNG
SD is controllable, cause you can bank stacks (not that you need to since Juggernaut is gone)
rough egret
20m dps would rip threat from it anyway right?
lusty grotto
so TB is similar to an extent i guess
yes zet, thats why i said its a good ole fashioned threat rip
mighty valley
i don't know brew well enough to know what contributes to a 20M crit lol
tight mural
Are y'all swapping to battle stance when not actively tanking in raid? Like on frac for example. Seems like an easy DPS bump but I'd definitely forget to turn it off
lusty grotto
if you want to parse, you should - but its just min maxy thats probably not good for every warrior to do, you can parse without it easily
whole glade
Has anyone else ever experienced Avanoxx (first boss of Ara Kara) randomly hitting the first hit of her tank combo onto a dps player, even though you're never losing threat?
rough egret
Is it rng? Or monk have to use that spell ?
whole glade
Just happened 3 times in the same boss fight
rough egret
Nota good idea to use it at that moment then 😄
lusty grotto
Has anyone else ever experienced Avanoxx (first boss of Ara Kara) randomly hitt...
no
mighty valley
stance swapping is kinda just for farm parsing to me rn... not that I'm really raiding
tardy crane
@lusty grotto @frosty mango thank you both for having a look over the logs!
lusty grotto
frosty mango
this is why we need shirk
lusty grotto
fuck no
frosty mango
yes give us shirk or give us death
lusty grotto
we already have shirk, its called Blessing of Protection
but yeah i guess it would help out for sure
i doubt blizzard would give us that power, though
i hate shirk
whole glade
no
the first time the rogue got hit with it might have been legit, it was right after taunt fell off, but it happened 2 more times afterwards.
solid cargo
cerulean tusk
frosty mango
did they stealth nerf chaotic nethergate?
jagged pier
you prio TB over SS at 2 or more targets
Dats with tier set buff and VO, u only prio tb outside of that and the other vo cases if its at 2 stacks you press it, and there only one case where u dont press it on 2 stacks and that on ST when you have VO SS ready u risk the overproc
If u dont want to minmax jist send 
and it will all be fine anyway
cerulean tusk
I am just grabbing another excuse for my bucket
lusty grotto
Dats with tier set buff and VO, u only prio tb outside of that and the other vo ...
you right
i honestly dont think about it
i just send
fresh belfry
hello, does anyone have a log of a prot warrior soloing Conquer on Salhadaar mythic?
jagged pier
I mean u can really think about it and its fun but its alot to think about.
Am i at 2 stacks
Do i have vo
How many targets
All factor into it. Or u can just press button if u want
glass mulch
yo gang
cerulean tusk
yo ed
jagged pier
Yer thats the factor, but imma be honestly do what i say mot what i do. Im so toned into ST choices because thats what i enjoy i literally just send VO with SS 
glass mulch
how do fit in wrecking throw
cerulean tusk
you throw it when there is a shield
glass mulch
jagged pier
hello, does anyone have a log of a prot warrior soloing Conquer on Salhadaar myt...
I dont know if that would be possible, u would prob need bsv sr sw and externals
jagged pier
Shockwave cd
cerulean tusk
ya can move the shockwave improvement, you aint Col either way, so ya dont lose the knockup spam
lusty grotto
jagged pier
Happens when top ppl dont run it
lusty grotto
or versa andy?
warm plinth
No shield spec, but BSV, make it make sense
glass mulch
i'm sorry i dont know the abbreviations yet
jagged pier
No no im pretty sure its the guy that got mad at me when i said i heard he didnt run shield spec
glass mulch
EA ?
lusty grotto
im gonna just put it up there
cerulean tusk
Well, as long as you get to 40% shieldblock value, anything else just steals value from your mastery stat 
jagged pier
No shield spec, but BSV, make it make sense
Ppl on murlokio run it
warm plinth
EA = enduring alacrity
lusty grotto
cause its the dumbest thing possible
right up there in the board of "stuff idiots copy that are just bad"
also up there is DF shockwave spec
warm plinth
Well, as long as you get to 40% shieldblock value, anything else just steals val...
I am missing the joke here lol
warm plinth
also up there is DF shockwave spec
Great, thanks. I'd repressed that one.
glass mulch
okay and u reccommended something else ?
lusty grotto
okay and u reccommended something else ?
Shield Specialization
glass mulch
what do i take out for that
lusty grotto
EA
warm plinth
Enduring Alacrity
jagged pier
Enduring alacrity
glass mulch
much appreciated
cerulean tusk
enzuring alricury
I got ya jakey, now ya look smarter 
Ok lads: I got something to order - A new prot build, for 10s, whatever works
go
undone beacon
Guys I might have to hang up my shield and go all in on bear… we don’t have a Druid for starting mythic prog
cerulean tusk
Unironically, might be very doable as things are tuned
warm plinth
Weird build that these folks are running. Like they are running Sudden Death and the aoe exe, but not the other exe talents. It's like they want to run a more defensive build, but don't at the same time?
jagged pier
No it kind of makes sense u get a bit of prio damage u can cleave with
But it just does less of both overall
It just proves u can run what u like as long as your team work well together
cerulean tusk
Wait, you saying it is more about the team effort, and not 1-2% dmg gains from talents minmax?
I dont believe you
HERETIC
cerulean tusk
Tanky
lusty grotto
what is that nickname
cerulean tusk
oh god
jagged pier
Like i dont know why they dont run shield spec in m+, but if the line is well magic is the problem not blockable damage. Or somthing along that line. That makes no sense because the 5% hp and 2% haste ea gives you will number not mitigate the damage shield spec does and secondly your IP and other tools are now weaker against magic damage necause you are literally take 16% more damage from blockable attacks you werent before, eating away at your IP
cerulean tusk
Jakey, look at the nickname
jagged pier
it would look like ?
Wow, thane push key
Just ping a mod get a ban
Thats bannable imo, i cant do thag
cerulean tusk
you might want to change that nick name, mate
warm plinth
I'm scared to ask what the fuck that's supposed to mean
glass mulch
didnt mean it to be offensive as that
undone beacon
Yikes
glass mulch
my bad gang
cerulean tusk
gg
undone beacon
gg no shield
cerulean tusk
Fair enuff
warm plinth
GN
cerulean tusk
undone beacon
anyways, big bear time for raid
undone beacon
Anyways im off to bed
Goodnight habibi
lusty grotto
last DH key for me
warm plinth
We'll miss you Pash
cerulean tusk
I hope you shapeshift midfight and die
lusty grotto
and then its time
undone beacon
lusty grotto
me benched tonight
undone beacon
I hope you shapeshift midfight and die
Thanks dad
cerulean tusk
Have fun mom
lusty grotto
time to get to 40 runs this week
lusty grotto
uh huh
warm plinth
I will dps your priorys
lusty grotto
lol
warm plinth
What was that thing I tried to look up the other day and it was all fuckin weird ass versions of it
Oh yeah
the Bruce Banner secret gif
lusty grotto
ohno
still glade
Posf tome better than secret technique? My other trinket is the brand of ceaseless fire
round pendant
someone dm me what the nickname was
native ember
i kinda regret mowing through all these keys on warrior so early he's full bis ive now started gearing my pally and hes like 4 slots from full bis i need help.
solid sun
Did I miss the drama
Dang
Pash don’t leave us
I’ve always wanted to learn feral. What better time than during mythic? 
mellow bridge
Posf tome better than secret technique? My other trinket is the brand of ceasele...
Depends on the content really
(and if it's m+, depends on your pull size)
lusty grotto
Posf tome better than secret technique? My other trinket is the brand of ceasele...
no
oh i misunderstood the question
tome is one of the 2 best trinkets
regardless of content
lusty grotto
the other is brand
warm plinth
Believe it without question.
sharp merlin
I saw a YouTube video that had us low on tier list lol
warm plinth
They certainly would not have made a video about it if it weren't true!
slow oasis
Hello, is it normal that i get situation when I just sit at 100 range, unable to spend ? Ignore pain at max and Slam/ThunderClap reseting over and over again
lusty grotto
youre never unable to spend
always press IP
being maxed means nothing
IP's value means nothing
its duration means nothing
grave vine
Any good aura to use with tome of light trinket?
lusty grotto
Any good aura to use with tome of light trinket?
any trinket tracker works, but you can just search for it in wago
slow oasis
being maxed means nothing
whats do you mean ? whats the point pressing IP if it cant go higher ?
slow oasis
just to reset avatar/sw ?
lusty grotto
read Anger Management and Violent Outburst
what do you mean "just"?
youre aware those are our two biggest cds right?
and can go down to 40s with proper rage use??
slow oasis
ik, I meant if spending rage could be use to also something but you already anwser it, violent otburst
lusty grotto
ah i see
jaunty jacinth
How valuable is Shield Specialization?
lusty grotto
but yeah IP is for burning rage
lusty grotto
How valuable is Shield Specialization?
very
do not use any dumb build that doesnt have it
we dont care what archon or murlok says
everyone that doesnt have it is stupid
jaunty jacinth
ofc, i'm curious about the numbers tbh
lusty grotto
whats 16% of the block value of your current shield?
and then whats the result of this:
resulting damage = damage taken before block * 1 - ( [block value / (block value + K)] )
have fun with the math
dawn furnace
lusty grotto
you do need it
for everything
except maybe vault keys
yes
thats not what we should recommend
so the answer is yes you need it
this channel
@jagged pier
another one
no, thats #general
have fun over there
jaunty jacinth
have fun with the math
Also is there any scenario where we might wanna play Fueled by Violence?
blazing ridge
Man I am so tilted by my friend group, xd we were struggling so hard with arak first pull, I mean our healer would always die on the way up to the miniboss spider. He always thought the random Jabber jumps were because he had aggro from healing, so he never healed because he was scared of aggro. Like .. I am so sad, its fun playing with them but sometimes I still feel like heading stray cats xdd
lusty grotto
Man I am so tilted by my friend group, xd we were struggling so hard with arak f...
tell him to unmount
blazing ridge
Pro nim
lusty grotto
shut up please
blazing ridge
We stealth first 2 packs
blazing ridge
Then i clap first pack on stairs charge avatar tb etc i even thunderroar first pack probably throw
blazing ridge
And he thinks dmg is from aggro
lusty grotto
every single fucking time
unless youre parse cheesing
which is NOT the point of this channel
so yes
youre spreading misinformation
those arent facts
im not "believing" anything
uhhhh
uuhhh
uuhhh
we recommend high ilvl shields for a fucking reason
16% of a shield
is even more than how many fucking upgrades in ilvl?
stop spreading misinformation
and stop linking me aggregates
uhhh guy
lol?
okay
you can think whatever you wanna think
just stop spreading misinformation
% of logs does not mean its a correct choice
if all of those logs pick fucking Spellbreaker for shits and giggles, is it a good talent?
being popular does not mean its correct
you havent countered with actual facts
how many ilvls worth of upgrades of a shield is 16% of block?
how manyu
in what scenario
what scenario wouldnt you want it
be specific
is this mythic?
heroic?
is it only fract?
limber arrow
soul hunters too
lusty grotto
you didnt specifcy difficulty
be specific
whats the difficulty
of the fight
ok
so just so you know
THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HERE
do not raid mythic
i know this because im around a lot
you do need it on mythic
bro listen
prime sphinx
lusty grotto
you wanna do what the aggregates say
go for it
but dont parrot it here
it is misinformation to say shield spec isnt needed
period
because why dont you just unequip your shield while youre at it
since its unneeded
or just... idk dont press SB
if you dont understand people copy what someone else's does without any reasoning, you're missing the entire point
you've given me 0 math, and ive asked severtal times how many ilvls of a shield is 16% of a myth shield (or any shield for that matter) block value
drowsy shale
Looking at top logs 95% the time is going to give you cheese parse builds not prog builds, not effective builds
2nd week doesn’t change this point lol. You think the first bosses arnt just drop kicked by most of the higher end guilds?
solid sun
Drop kicks are difficult
lusty grotto
would you wear a heroic shield over a myth track shield?
drowsy shale
Troll is troll at this point lol
lusty grotto
"the majority of the damage is unblockable"
hmm
whats the majority of the damage there?
is it the first bar perhaps
the one that says
melee?
hushed hazel
Hi guys, looking for info on the reshi boots from raid. I only play m+ but could venture into the raid if it’s a big enough upgrade over a plain stat stick boot. Whats the general advice?
prime sphinx
he specifically mentioned soulhunters mythic there arent even 100 public prot logs and 16% of them use shield spec
"cheese parse build" i cant
lusty grotto
are you just gonna drop ad-hominems/
or are you gonna admit
the top damage is blockable
cause thats a myth hunters breakdown
cerulean tusk
Camo, you sure you don't look at the magic dam taken and over focus on that portion of it, as the melee portion gets 50-80% negated by shield block?
It's a classic thing many do, not looking at edtps totals, but dam taken
lusty grotto
how many people here do myth hunters i wonder
cerulean tusk
Our guild got soulhunter down today 
cerulean tusk
To be fair, that doesn't work. As the ilvl diff would be a DPS loss, shield value won't be
lusty grotto
youre literally saying a specific fight, linking specific diffy logs, for a channel that literally recommends to anyone and not just people doing that fight
but 16% of block value has no answer?
no, you did
i said people are stupid for not using it
because they are doing it on keys
and for basically any type of content
obtuse egret
Any tips on First boss priory? Trying to do it on 15 and its handing my ass to me! I dont have crafted shield or any embelishments which dosent help
lusty grotto
what side are you going
cerulean tusk
Any tips on First boss priory? Trying to do it on 15 and its handing my ass to m...
Mud saves lives, that and healer eternals
obtuse egret
Left side, the rest of the dungeon is fine. Just first boss. I was VDH last season so changing to prot warrior is tough on that boss
obtuse egret
Mud saves lives, that and healer eternals
That helps does it? ill need to get one, thank you
lusty grotto
Left side, the rest of the dungeon is fine. Just first boss. I was VDH last seas...
try right side
obtuse egret
That makes the boss easier? The different mini boss with it
cerulean tusk
The point is, that your information can easily mislead others when given as a generic statement
lusty grotto
and just to engage on this dumbass tirade of yours once again, im not telling anybody what to do, im saying the recommendation of this channel shouldn't be to avoid shield spec
solid sun
Regardless of the shield spec situation cause I’m not going to chime in with what soup hunters does to people. I just like chicken noodle
But besides all that
lusty grotto
i very specifically said, if you wanna follow the agregates, go for it
solid sun
Didn’t Andy use some stupid build on purpose to prove people would copy it
obtuse egret
What can you get the CD down to on ritual mood?
solid sun
To prove aggregate sites are iffy at best
lusty grotto
That makes the boss easier? The different mini boss with it
yeah judgment slaps and the bleed will wreck you if its not dispelled also
you remove judgment from the boss, if you go right side
that being said, you need kicks for that version of the boss
obtuse egret
Ill look for some routes going right then, thank you.
solid sun
I’m so glad I don’t have that kinda power
cerulean tusk
I wish you had, then you could troll some too
lusty grotto
btw
16% of a mythic shield's block value, is 7 upgrades worth or 3x7 ilvls
51352 x 0.16 = 8,216.32 additional block value
solid sun
How much does that mitigate
cerulean tusk
Ye, but his argument is based on that you already cower the defense needed without it at all. 40% block value being enough in his scenario
lusty grotto
depends on the damage and the k value
cerulean tusk
About 4-6% no?
solid sun
I wish the higher your block value you got, the more degrees of the circle around you, you were able to block
cerulean tusk
Either way it is massive
I don't hate that idea, beyond how shit it would feel in a new season/ expansion
lusty grotto
velaryn and ilysa both it for unmit 15 to 17 million
solid sun
They don’t sound very nice tbh
obtuse egret
What can you get the CD down to on ritual mood?
cerulean tusk
Well, topend should be the same either way. As shieldblock value caps at 80% and you should be around 40+% without spec
lusty grotto
What can you get the CD down to on ritual mood?
what do you mean
solid sun
But the more the melees do to you the less your ip handles the magic damage
Doesn’t that matter
But you’re still getting melee’d aren’t you
Mythic sounds easy as heck. I feel like I always get melee’d in N
You should try your theory in N instead
Well it doesn’t break my shield
So that’s a relief
Maybe that’s because I’m spec’d for shields
obtuse egret
what do you mean
Its gives CDR by taking dots. What can you get the cooldown via the CDR
its a 2 min cd normally
lusty grotto
you mean mud?
obtuse egret
yea
cerulean tusk
Ah, mud
lusty grotto
you said ritual somehting
solid sun
He said ritual mood
solid sun
I was going to make a mood ring joke but it’s a trinket instead of jewelry
Really fucked up tbh
lusty grotto
idk mud is only used for extremely high key dailcry
obtuse egret
Ah fair enough
lusty grotto
it probably wont be used any more there since most high keys are going right
but we will see
cerulean tusk
I like it for the bleed 
lusty grotto
yes its useful for that boss
obtuse egret
Yeah im seeing some the routes fo rthat now. I just need me a brand trinket! Doing 15s without it and no crafted items
life is hard
cerulean tusk
Craft a shield 🛡️
lusty grotto
same
obtuse egret
Soon life will be better. When I can get me a brand on mythic from re clears
cerulean tusk
Well, at least you got better than my 684 shield
lusty grotto
at least i can get loomi shield soon
cerulean tusk
obtuse egret
hahah
lusty grotto
only need to cover the 3 shamans and the hpal but
one day
alright i got the myth raid K value
if anyone needs to ask about block formulas, the K value of Myth Raid is 4,840
let me confirm
round pendant
bruh
literally could not kill the 1st boss of ara kara in this pug
first wave of webs, entire area is webs
toxic pewter
just ripped aggro off another prot warr.. wat in the world
round pendant
what in tarnation
frozen berry
If you kill last boss of the raid, does it pool loot from 1-8 or just from 8 itself? When you hover over the vault slots it seems to indicate only from that boss but wowhead/icy say the former
chrome falcon
when you kill a boss
it adds all other bosses before it in dungeon journal to vault
so ie if you kill fractilus you get DH loot in vault even without killing it
frozen berry
Got it
chrome falcon
so yes if you kill dimmy you have ever boss in your vault pool
obviously you still have to kill enough hc bosses to actually get slots
but it will all be in your pool forever
frozen berry
Forever? Or for the week?
lusty grotto
forever, but you need to kill 6 boxes for all 3 slots
can be any boss from the raid
or 2/4/6 depending on how many slots you want, anyway you get the point
blazing lake
Hey guys quick question. How quickly do brand of ceaseless ire stacks fall off after leaving combat?
blazing lake
like do you have at least a few gcds before you lose a stack?
frozen berry
forever, but you need to kill 6 boxes for all 3 slots
Ok thanks
lusty grotto
like do you have at least a few gcds before you lose a stack?
yes
ill get you the exact rate in a sec
blazing lake
thanks. To be completely honest I'm a rogue main and I'm complaining about not being given time to stealth between pulls. I literally need 1 gcd to do it lol
lusty grotto
i believe its 1 stack every 3s drop off
could be wrong
so thats what, 1 stack every 1 to 2 gcd's
blazing lake
haha yes
lusty grotto
thanks. To be completely honest I'm a rogue main and I'm complaining about not b...
just to be fair i wouldnt wait for you either
ive been told the restealth is a very minor dps bump
blazing lake
for sin its 50% more damage for the garrote.
solid sun
Griff would say to wait
solid sun
But I don't think I would
lusty grotto
but if you wanna convince your tank
tell him to just execute
that'll certainly convince me
"hey man just execute that little guy thats left"
say no more
lusty grotto
no but for real
i try to get out of combat for rogues
but sometimes pathing just doesnt work
and because its very few rogues that distract
ive been forced to pull shit before combat is out
so if thats a concern for your tank, distract any patrols or w/e to accomodate for routing
if hes just doing it because hes worried about brand though, tell him to fuck off cause he'll be fine
stoic pilot
For execute phases in raid are we just hitting it as soon as it's available? No pooling rage or anything, prioing it over SS / TB or is it kind of just a balance? I vaguely remember in S1 MT you'd end up getting to 70 rage then executing but not sure if tha'ts the case anymore
lusty grotto
SD is free so
ideally you want to be at around that mark from s1
play it similar to colossus
except instead of revenge you execute
while keeping an eye on IP just in case (SB up of course)
stoic pilot
o7 that makes sense, thanks again nim
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
o7 that makes sense, thanks again nim
btw jakey did clarify, TB is prio in ST, its just outburst that needs some decision making
right here #protection message
also i believe you asked about this earlier@frozen berry
stoic pilot
btw jakey did clarify, TB is prio in ST, its just outburst that needs some decis...
So just making sure I understand clearly, TB > SS in all situations, outburst still follows the ST = SS AOE = 2t+ TB
lavish onyx
warm plinth
👢 🍵 👏
wide badger
Any tips on making the Infused Tangles easier to see on Loomithar?
uncut sparrow
Any tips on making the Infused Tangles easier to see on Loomithar?
I’ve been fighting with it since launch. I seen a WA in a kill video that put a marker icon that was huge over them so you could see the visual coming in from top down camera angle. It’s not public as far as I can find. You just have to rotate camera all wonky and hope you don’t accidentally spin your character and get back slapped lining up the beam.
wide badger
yeah, I need a rear view mirror for these things, plus their light brown coloring makes it pretty bad. Might need to try colorblind mode
lusty grotto
So just making sure I understand clearly, TB > SS in all situations, outburst st...
yes
azure crag
I may have underestimated how much damage execute does
warm plinth
Execute go brrrr
slim chasm
Tier good. Execute GOODGE
rose flame
How do you guys macro IP and SB to make sure that you don't rage cap?
solid sun
I don't macro IP and SB together
nocturne spindle
You spam moreeee ip
rose flame
I mean in general, not specifically putting them together lol
I just always forget to hit IP
drowsy shale
Wouldn’t macro it at all tbh
onyx vessel
livid helm
okay i need help, i accidentally didnt put the crest in for belt, do i recraft or just wait to get another 2 fractures
livid helm
is there an wasier way to get artisan?
chrome falcon
<@144555238567706624>
must be nice smh
lusty grotto
do you mean acuity?
lilac stirrup
the mettle for recraft i think
livid helm
yeah acuity
lilac stirrup
you can just ask crafter to use his for recraft and tip him 5k
chrome falcon
no i did like 30 runs in season 2
dusky canopy
LETS GOOOO
chrome falcon
then ga ve up until turbo boost
dusky canopy
FUCK YESS
livid helm
ahh kk
chrome falcon
my raid team can just have a bad dps tank i don't have the energy anymore
lusty grotto
damn
chrome falcon
like
in 2 hours
i watched 2 paladins get it
1 was my raider who i let roll on it with me
lusty grotto
i saw a ret paladin that was very clearly a tank get it in front of me
chrome falcon
and he won, which is bullshit, i should have had good karma for letting him roll
livid helm
if im on a dead server is there like a recrafting guild i can join ? lol
chrome falcon
yeah my guy plays ret in raid but was highest io ppala last patch
so whatever i let him roll
and then
lusty grotto
damnn
chrome falcon
i was playing fury in a baby key with my irl friend who plays prot pala
and he got it like 2 hours later
so i just don't care anymore
lusty grotto
if im on a dead server is there like a recrafting guild i can join ? lol
what do you need? my BS and LW are not on an available guild though
livid helm
everforged
lusty grotto
fuck that sucks matta
chrome falcon
you na or eu? i got you if you're eu
livid helm
NA T.T
azure crag
I hate streets of wonder with Brand.
There's so much RP and it just drains all my stacks
lusty grotto
ah well i cant ginvite to this one sadly
livid helm
kk
chrome falcon
yeah i think brand is broken enough that you still wear it in streets
but
streets definitely worst key for it
chrome falcon
fuck that sucks matta
meh i don't care that much like i could ask for a plate + hpal stack to spam it with me i just don't care
lusty grotto
speaking of streets
lusty grotto
i gotta farm it for sack of terror before i go to pace
not looking forward to it
its either ara or streets for fury, and sack sims higher
so 2-3 dungeons for just trinkets feelsbadman
lusty grotto
yeah running a droptimizer atm
honestly id just rather farm streets
ara can be such a mess lol
fuck
sacbrood sims higher now
warm plinth
Is priory prison over Nim?
warm plinth
You love to see it
jovial rampart
evening yall, quick question which is probably obvious, but... does 'sudden death' use any rage at all? or is it just a static 40 rage execute without using the rage?
jovial rampart
yeah but damage as if 40 rage were spent
chrome falcon
which it does say in the tooltip but hey who's counting
small steeple
chrome falcon
yeah but damage as if 40 rage were spent
also correct yes
jovial rampart
just heard someone say it can use rage for more dmg past that.. but yeah
chrome falcon
that person is talking all the way out of their ass
jovial rampart
thats what I figured lol, thanks for clarifying!
solid sun
-# did it go a little well
heavy sparrow
evening yall, quick question which is probably obvious, but... does 'sudden deat...
It does damage equal to that if it were to use 40 rage, but sudden death does not give you any benefit of using rage
lavish rivet
@lusty grotto I got time to test the HoA boss 2 reflect interaction. SR only deflects the "Shattered" DoT from "Stone Shattering Leap". In no scenarios does it reflect, do damage back to boss, or allow you to intervene / soak the dam or DoT for the targeted member. That being said, any warrior can SR to prevent the "Shattered" DoT damage to themselves if they were targeted as a DPS, but you will still take the AoE nature damage obviously. Mostly a big nothing-burger :/
solid sun
What resources do y’all use to find groups for raiding and pushing keys
Pref actual guilds
frosty mango
I pug a lot
And add people who are good
Then when I’m running a key I’ll hit the friend list and see who’s on
A lot of high end guilds also have good m+ communities too
Even if you’re not raiding
frosty mango
<@131897531251556352> I got time to test the HoA boss 2 reflect interaction. SR...
It’s not a nothing burger it’s actually huge
That dot does an obscene amount of damage on high keys
Like pop a defensive and healer has to hard spam you or you’ll die
hushed crater
beledars or Everforged defender for shield craft?
sick merlin
Everforged with dusk or dawn thread
worthy lichen
its pretty tedious having your shield break every key
hushed crater
Or is he saying your gonna die so much by crafting the wrong shield that itll break every key?
azure crag
This run went a wee bit better
Couldn't beat the enhance shaman, tho
sick merlin
mortal cypress
stop that or you will get prot nerfed
sinful copper
any tanks doing higher keys like 15+? hows prot warrior feeling for meta?
hushed crater
Crit and Haste seem to be what alot of the top tanks craft on their shield is that ok?
sick merlin
Yes
restive fulcrum
what's with people running Enduring Aclacrity over Shield Specialisation in M+/MRaid logs, just trolling the spec or does it have some merit?
restive oak
im sometimes having eggs spawn on other platforms on avanox
i never seen that happen before
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> got the loom kill finally
i tanked it tonight
sick merlin
Avanox is evolving
lusty grotto
i had to fill in for other tank
sick merlin
He’s learning
lusty grotto
kinda fun to tank tbh, the aiming isnt hard, but the taunt timings are tight (which i fucked up a handful of times)
the hitbox is still fucking aids and i hate it
lusty grotto
<@131897531251556352> I got time to test the HoA boss 2 reflect interaction. SR...
if you have a log, DM Sense with it
and he will update the reflect sheet
unless its already there
even if its not tank targetted, Sense does add stuff in there
for the dps homies
and even if it results in nothing lol
restive oak
how many times have you called reflecting next and ppl still interupted?
azure crag
I call it for my guildies in discord, but still wait to the last second to hit reflect because somebody will forget
it always happens.
arctic lagoon
just dusted off my war from last season - safe to just pop in pieces replacing tier since my tier from last season is 658 and im getting quick champion pieces?
slender bison
Jesus christ, the spec tree flexibility is even worst than last season once Execute talent points go away. Like max you can experiment is Bloodborne with FbV.
mighty valley
just dusted off my war from last season - safe to just pop in pieces replacing t...
s2 tier is still pretty good, especially for sb uptime — you can sim to be sure but you probably at least want to wait til 2pc2pc
frosty vector
woot. keystone hero acquired.
lime urchin
frens, I cba simming, after how many haste do I start gemming for other stuff?
mortal cypress
6
frank surge
priory, eco, halls, m10-12s
i run sudden death + massacre + heavy handed, no red right hand
im considering running bloodborne instead of sudden death - am i not executing enough? dmg seems low compared to you guys
based off my math bloodborne would be higher dmg increase than RRH
lone current
if you're running execute talents why aren't you running red right hand... its 15% execute dmg
frank surge
bcs its only 11% of my dmg meaning 1.6% dmg increase, i dont see what talent i would sacrifice
bloodborne is 25% dmg increase to around 10% of my dmg, would mean ~2.5% dmg increase overall
frank surge
okay
rough egret
With confidence
lone current
Firstly i recommend you checked out the wowhead and/or icy veins guide. As mt thane we dont really benefit from bleed dmg, so bloodborne is going to result in lesser dmg than running the execute talents
For execute to give the most dmg, you want to be running red right hand, heavy handed, massacre and thorims might in the hero tree
that will significantly increase your dmg compared to not running those talents and running bloodborne and sudden death
frank surge
what do i sacrifice for RRH? sudden death?
leaden slate
Do you think i should my free runed crest on a weapon or the shield?
trim island
why would you remove an execute talent for a different execute talent
lone current
what do i sacrifice for RRH? sudden death?
Yeah nice, move sudden death over to RRH since it will increase the dmg of execute and the other two targets it cleaves to
frank surge
why would you remove an execute talent for a different execute talent
idk read its better im open for other inputs?
narrow jay
Remove shield specialization tbh we are so tanky with cloak and trinkets I'm doing 13s and 14s healers never have to heal me
frank surge
ty @narrow jay
lone current
when you use sudden death it doesnt contribute to rage usage so it doesnt work with violent outburst or anger management
do not remove shield specialization.......
it provides way too much defensive value to remove, thats just gimping yourself
rough egret
You can move instgate aswell
narrow jay
Our health bars never move i don't see how it's providing much value most prot warriors don't run it
rough egret
“Most”
narrow jay
Look on archon and see talents for keys shield specialization is being run by less than 40% of prot warriors doing keys
Obviously if I was squishy and dying I'd take it but I havnt needed it yet and we are only week 3 and have so much more item level to gain
jagged pier
priory, eco, halls, m10-12s
i run sudden death + massacre + heavy handed, no re...
Your not executing enough
My executes are like equal to my thunderblast
sullen helm
is prot warr good for beginners even not meta?
frank surge
Your not executing enough
Can i see your talents 🤠
jagged pier
frank surge
Ty, will try without the devestator talent
high latch
That seems like a bad idea. You need Devastator to continue down the right side of the tree. Did you mean Instigate?
frank surge
Yea instigstor which upgrades devestate, im on phone and havnt memorized all the pts names
high latch
Ah, I thought you meant the main talent itself. That makes sense.
frank surge
Any hot takes on rallying cry? I wasnt using it much so i specced out of it for the 5% cdr talent yday and it seemed fine
high latch
Last season I specced out of it for the 5% CD talent as well and I never missed it. So far I'm still using Rallying Cry, but it feels so weak I kinda want to swap it out again.
pallid quiver
hot take is it being useful
There's not a lot else that's really compelling, but it's also not really good in most situations
frank surge
Yea thats kinda how i view it too
high latch
Yeah, that's mostly the thing. There aren't any other super valuable talents either.
frank surge
Im not good enough to track when it can potentially save sm1
high latch
I just send it when I know there's big AoE coming
Else I'd be sitting on the CD for far too long.
frank surge
Considered the 5% movedpeed sometimes i need to kite packs / most sketchy part of pull is rounding them up tbh, but most of that happens in charge and leap anyways
high latch
Yeah, same. I see Honed Reflexes and Fast Footwork as the two decent options to running Rallying Cry, but neither of those feel that impactful either. Or maybe Intervene.
Well, I guess there are more options like Intimidating Shout which can be nice.
hushed crater
Some rapid fire noob questions sorry,
- is it worth catalysting a Hero chest piece this early
- Is there a delve specific prot tree
- Is the Sword a good long term craft after shield or is there something better as wowhead suggests belt and wrists.
high latch
Some rapid fire noob questions sorry,
1. is it worth catalysting a Hero chest ...
- Yes, if it gives you 4pc.
- No, it's the same as the M+ builds
- Yes, weapon is the best thing to craft after shield
hushed crater
it gives me 2 piece
high latch
Then I'd hold your catalyze charges until it can get you to 4pc.
hushed crater
Cheers
high latch
To expand a bit on the crafting question, long term you ideally want your slots with embellishments to end up as belt+wrists, but until then shield and weapon is the best crafts and you can always "move" embellishments with recrafts.
frosty mango
Where’s jakey
frank surge
Well, I guess there are more options like Intimidating Shout which can be nice.
Having an extra pseudo kick in form of a fear would actually be really nice i think. I guess it causes mobs to randomly run off tho? Or is there tech to cicumvent this?
(im a classic player)
frank surge
I see, not bad.
high latch
It's pretty safe as it disorients, and it breaks pretty much immediately like Roidberg says.
neon elk
Im kinda thinking about picking intervene just for zoomies
rigid pasture
At 4th boss in raid, is it intended that we get the circles? (The purple ones that oneshots dps xD) the silence ones
lofty glen
jo guys. which heal is mor beginner friendly. priest or dudu? want to do a twink beside protwar
neon elk
Defo priest imho as it is reactive, especialy holy
high latch
Yeah, I would say priest. Disc is simpler and has less button bloat, especially in M+, but holy is reactive and mostly intuitive.
Maybe a hot take, but I would say disc is easier, but it greatly benefits from knowing when damage is about to happen.
In raid however, disc ramp is crazy and holy is much easier.
prisma echo
Dear more experienced prot brothers. What is your tactic with IRE trinket? Are you equipping it on every dungeon or only on some where you dont lose stacks? What is your experience? I heard that its making so much dmg that its worth for every dungeon 🙂 @jagged pier senpain maybe you can share your experience?
neon elk
Not jakey here, i run it every dung( maybe will change when i get to like 15s), even in the "hard" ones where u get hit all the time i have like 80%+ uptime
high latch
AFAIK Brand is amazing even if you lose some stacks. Maybe I'd drop it in Dawn and Streets, but otherwise it's probably one of the very best choices?
lofty glen
thx guys. gonna stick on disc then 😄 i hate playin with holy so i dont want other tanks to play with me as holy XD
high latch
Assuming "IRE" is Brand..
lofty glen
Dear more experienced prot brothers. What is your tactic with IRE trinket? Are y...
brand is to op not to ware
lofty glen
Assuming "IRE" is Brand..
yes it is
neon elk
Assuming "IRE" is Brand..
Isnt ire tome ?
lofty glen
AFAIK Brand is amazing even if you lose some stacks. Maybe I'd drop it in Dawn a...
mine has always 11-15% dmg in my overall
lofty glen
Isnt ire tome ?
nah XD
neon elk
But in both cases it stands , just run that its strong af
lofty glen
run tome and brand and you dont need any trinkeds XD
jagged pier
Dear more experienced prot brothers. What is your tactic with IRE trinket? Are y...
Run it everywhere, arguably in dawnbreaker its bad
lofty glen
even if you have vet track ire go for it
neon elk
Can we normalize calling it brand please
jagged pier
But if u fly fast its fine in dawnbreaker i suppose
lofty glen
just call it S Tier trinkeds XD
high latch
"Brand" is fine, "Ire" is fine. "IRE" is confusing.
neon elk
Like for some reason i was thinking about tome first cuz its dmg efect is called ire
azure crag
sharp merlin
Our two raid tanks won't let me loot brand if it comes up 😂
Clearing HC takes prio over me doing +15/16
lofty glen
Our two raid tanks won't let me loot brand if it comes up 😂
even lfr..... ire are always like 10-15 rolls MAINSPECK
prisma echo
thx all for help
lofty glen
maybe I should do that
max champ to max myth compared are like 2-3% max. so take it on every track
sharp merlin
Yessir
lofty glen
even got lucky with leech XD
sharp merlin
Any big lad tanks, got a Q, are you noticing any of the higher keys any certain pulls which hurt?
I remember last season Big Momma and Vexie used to truck me, but this season I feel as though nothing really hurts, if I hit BSV it's cause of me, more than the pulls
But just curious if anyone here feels any certain pulls or bosses are rough this season?
lofty glen
Any big lad tanks, got a Q, are you noticing any of the higher keys any certain ...
big momma with spell refleckt and 100 stack IP is a joke
i hav nearly no struggle on any bosses. only some big pulls are crazy
sharp merlin
big momma with spell refleckt and 100 stack IP is a joke
yeah this season she's a joke, I pull 2 packs onto her just fine
lofty glen
yeah this season she's a joke, I pull 2 packs onto her just fine
i pull in every boss 1-2 packs and i am fine XD
sharp merlin
I'm just more wondering hitting into the 15-17 bracket if there's anything that makes you go.. oof that hurt
I think the Commanders on Dawnbreaker make me use IV, but outside of that, so far this season nothing has trucked me
slender bison
Arcane Slash from Eco hits like a truck
sharp merlin
Really? I just outrange it
sharp merlin
yeah that's prob the only thing that's hurt me so far this season
I fucking love Prot war
slender bison
Streets arcane baton too
sharp merlin
Who does that?
shell fern
Guys where do I get the item Artisans Acuity from?
I wanted to recraft the shield and I can’t find it on the AH?
I also checked wow head but all they say is that it’s acquired from professions
pallid quiver
Artisan's Acuity is acquired from all the profession stuff, yeah, like from gathering/profession quests/fulfilling crafting orders/etc
Gaining knowledge points in a profession also gives acuity
shell fern
Artisan's Acuity is acquired from all the profession stuff, yeah, like from gath...
Is it not sold on the AH?
high latch
No, it's soulbound
pallid quiver
No, it's soulbound
shell fern
How do I place my order then 🥲
pallid quiver
do some profession stuff or some quests related to them
shell fern
Ohhh can the crafter just insert it in?
high latch
Some crafters can also use theirs, but it'll cost you a lot more.
shell fern
Ufff like how much more?
high latch
I have no idea.. Most crafters expect you to supply it yourself.
It's not hard to get some yourself though. First time crafts, and gathering comes to mind.
I think the quest in Dornogal also gives quite a lot? But can only be done once.
This gives quite a lot: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=84260/crafting-to-order
Which reward you pick doesn't really matter
shell fern
Ahhh I see alright Ima have a look into it, thanks a lot!!!
weak cedar
hey guys, i often find myself using ignore pain when my rage is low, mostly in scary pulls where im taking a lot of damage. this leaves me with no rage to use revenge and everything else is on cooldown, leading to ~3 seconds of awkward staring into the mobs while my shield slam resets
is the solution to use revenge instead of ignore pain to fish for resets? even when in scary situations?
sharp merlin
hey guys, i often find myself using ignore pain when my rage is low, mostly in s...
Don’t use IP unless you’re above 60 rage
Think of IP as a rage dump
Think of damage to create defensives
weak cedar
alright, sounds good
sharp merlin
Think of IP as a rage spender, just keep enough in the bank for Shield Block, that’s when you’re in trouble
weak cedar
👍
sharp merlin
I actually had a reallly awkward one on a Streets 14 where the music boss was running to the stage, and I Shield Charged him but it hit the stairs and I didn’t get any Shield Block for it, and almost got 1 shot
high latch
Yeah, keeping IP up is nice, but the real hero is Shield Block.
sharp merlin
I can’t think of anything this season where I need to put more IP to keep alive tbh
indigo hawk
Like wowhead say : if your next cast will overcap your rage, use IP, in any other situation don’t use it
high latch
Yeah it just happens naturally. If you use IP on 60-75 rage you're golden.
lofty glen
How do I place my order then 🥲
ask the crafter if you can buy them from him.
jagged pier
hey guys, i often find myself using ignore pain when my rage is low, mostly in s...
Thats means your spamming it too much
Or not generating enough rage
Or both i suppose
weak cedar
i guess playing colossus doesn't help
jagged pier
Probablu not
split jasper
Hey for you did i replace this belt with this belt pls ?
This is my gear for raid mythic
jagged pier
Thats a sim question
full violet
do we have a haste cap where the value falls off a lot like we used to? was around 30% iirc
jagged pier
Depends how good u are at SB managemnt i would say, if ypur good stop around 21k rating if not around 25k rating stop
full violet
at 23k haste my sim wants me to dump haste for mastery because I have little to non
high latch
That's probably correct, but only if you can keep SB up with lower haste. Like Jakey said, how much haste you need depends on how good you are at that, and a simulation will need the bare minimum.
full violet
I usually have around 85-90% uptime on SB I think
jagged pier
U need to check logs
high latch
That's lower than what I would want
jagged pier
And not details
high latch
I'm living the simple Heavy Repercussions life. Don't have enough haste for ITF yet, so SB is no worries.
full violet
That's lower than what I would want
what would you say I should aim for? always heard that around 90% uptime aint bad. I dont really raid, so for me it a m+ perspective only
high latch
As close to 100% as possible. Stuff hurts when you let it fall off. You can compensate with walls and kiting at times, but that depends on your skill.
If you are fine with 85-90% uptime then that's cool too.
mellow bridge
what would you say I should aim for? always heard that around 90% uptime aint ba...
Ideally you'd log and check the blocked hits
Uptime can be misleading
full violet
If you are fine with 85-90% uptime then that's cool too.
I was cool with it until you said it was low haha. mainly because I was told raound 90% was pretty normal
full violet
Ideally you'd log and check the blocked hits
would blocked hits also show in % or?
high latch
The top 1 prot warr right now averages around 90-92% uptime in the few logs I checked just now.
To me that sounds fine if you can cover the remaining 8-10% with something, but that depends on skill and planning.
And it depends on situation. Maybe those missing % are times you wouldn't take blockable melee hits anyways.
full violet
makes sense. thanks for the clarification!
tribal sun
whats the hardest dungeon to tank this season?
prisma nexus
I think dawn?
lofty glen
i think its halls cause the timer is fucked the higher you get best 120 keys has only 1 HoA
but hardest BOSS is 1st in araara
slender bison
Halls do suck and as an average tank you need to move on from gargoyles in your 14+ routes to make up for timer
But the chance of bricking halls is less than arakara
high latch
HOA has higher deplete rate by quite a bit, but they feel very different in that AK has more specific spots you typically brick it.
slender bison
HOA has higher deplete rate by quite a bit, but they feel very different in that...
Yes, due to the big 1st pull. Or shitty mobs mixing after 1st boss. Plus Prot warr is chill even if loyal beasts gets on.
lofty glen
mellow bridge
would blocked hits also show in % or?
Yes
You can hover the hits and see how many you blocked
You should aim to get 95%+ blocked hits
This is different from just simple uptime for a few reasons like downtime between packs
normal birch
Can anyone recommend a good Spell Reflect WA which announces in chat? I have tried some from Wago but they dont appear to work for me
remote hollow
the one i tried to use turned out to be outdated, so better just make a macros that sends message like "reflecting dont kick" etc
high latch
The one I've heard about is this: https://wago.io/o0cXhDjMD
But haven't tried it.
high latch
True
remote hollow
The one I've heard about is this: https://wago.io/o0cXhDjMD
But haven't tried it...
this one is outdated, and to make it work u have to set it up which i dont know how so i just made macros
high latch
Doing it with macro is simpler, but the WA does a fair bit more.
normal birch
The one I've heard about is this: https://wago.io/o0cXhDjMD
But haven't tried it...
yeah thats the one I tried but didnt have any luck with it
It was more so I could see if what I was spell reflecting was worth reflecting if that makes sense
jagged pier
How about u just make a macro that sayinf im trying sr when u press sr if thats all you want
normal birch
because I button mash, and it just fills chat with dont kick haha
high latch
I can try to get the WA working later when I get on, but can't promise anything.
Depends on how much custom code it has.
remote hollow
because I button mash, and it just fills chat with dont kick haha
it wont change anything anyway, just dont spam in /p, use /s