protection

[frosty wave]

My last 2 runs
And I also have to do it several times for pushing keys, test routes, builds... Idk also I do what I want ?

[arctic citrus]

2 sad moments occured on this run... one is visible on the screen/ 2nd occured with the seaforium drop...

[mild river]

I just did a 14 floodgate. There are some mobs called soldiers that place upon you a nasty stacking dot. Healer just dispelled when I had 20 more stacks. Is it normal?

It was the first key I had to plan ahead my defensives for some pulls.

[mellow bridge]

depends on the exact pull, there are some where the healer has to dispell more important things so you just have to deal with it

[grim pilot]

You should be getting dispeled on cd

[mellow bridge]

especially the 1st pull after swampface

you can also dwarf it if you are one

[grim pilot]

Which is around 4-8 stacks

[solid sun]

Why is shadopan removed from the monk wowhead m+ builds? Did it just completely fall out of favor or are only experts playing it and MoH is for babies

I know there’s a blurb on the expert build that says you can use shadopan for it but obviously the build itself shows MoH

[round vortex]

Hmmm a choice. Chest piece, which is natty BIS so you need this exact chest OR weapon, which is a better item individually, but first boss drops a weapon and there are tons I will likely get in vaults each week.

[sharp gale]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Po0Ul-Cn1wY?si=YgvUBP7S9VXBwj-7
yes the shadopan the build still exist

[solid sun]

I’ll check that out

[remote tusk]

I would personally take the chest but that is me. At worst, you can turn it into a tier piece later.

[plush tendon]

thats a hard decision.... wep would be cool

but that chest is crit/haste so you wont see it again prob ever

but it locks you into your tier pieces....

do you mythic raid per chance?

[late trellis]

Do guilds on loomithar make tank/offtank soak the pylons on Mythic?

[daring dust]

Dont have log unfortunately but yeah im pretty much always 100%, and healer lets me heal myself by doing dmg and a lot of leech

[willow yarrow]

anybody know anything about all-devouring nucleus? if its any good or why i cant seem to find anyone running it?

[round pendant]

What is with pug paladin and vdh tanks being absolutely terrible at the game

like no offense to them I'm sure they're trying

but it just keeps happening

[daring dust]

Yeah idk why when i played dps vdh always bricked my keys, some pala but

[round pendant]

in terms of like pug tanks

the level of "has a brain" from most to least is like

[edgy prairie]

least is VDH by a wide margin

Then brew

Then another wide margin

Then the normies

[gaunt cloud]

soleah or haste/versa ring for m+? 🙂

[round pendant]

pwar > bdk > brew > bear > ppal > vdh

ig pwar is hard to royally mess up but they usually have somewhat sane routes and aren't doing the most insane shit

[daring dust]

And just looks better

Important to note

Vdh's always look so cringe

These dumb robes and ALWAYS warglaives of azzinoth

[solid cargo]

Soleah isn't bad but I think heroic versions of some trinks are probably better

[daring dust]

With that stupid black blindfold from illidan too

Copy paste tmog

[mellow bridge]

better dmg profile in their opinion

shadopan is more big fat aoe but most tank TCs prio st/prio dmg higher than pure aoe

[gaunt cloud]

i have hc ire and every other mythic+ trinket

[mellow bridge]

also shado is crinjj rng

[mellow bridge]

(which i would generally agree with fwiw)

[plush tendon]

what stats are those shoes

[mellow bridge]

ring is nice

[plush tendon]

I think its a boots or ring angle here

[mellow bridge]

i'd take ring

[plush tendon]

Soleahs is fine, but I wouldnt prio a mythic version in vault

if you have other decent options

[solid cargo]

I had those boots in mine. But took an idol instead

[plush tendon]

I think boots are neat

[solid cargo]

Gonna accidentally die using it and it's gonna be awsome

[plush tendon]

though, if you mythic raid the boots from soul hunters better

I generally prio armor pieces over rings in vaults

[frank surge]

how valuable is 1500 leech on a ring for m+? i feel like at least once every 1-2 dungeons i have to stay alive with a pack after my healer inted a mechanic
i tried simming these but im new to this

[plush tendon]

we talking like 1% leach at most

not something to consider when making your decision

[frank surge]

okay thanks

[plush tendon]

its like getting a cherry on your ice cream; its good, but I aint mad if I dont get one

[frank surge]

would you go with neck, or a champ track tier item to save an upgrade for the future?

[plush tendon]

only really the ring looks good

the neck is vers/mastery I think

[round vortex]

I do. But we extend super early lol And nah its a Haste Vers chest. I don't think there is a haste crit one unless you craft it

[plush tendon]

the ring is haste/mastery

[frank surge]

ye ring is haste/mastery, both kinda shit

neck sims abit higher than ring

[plush tendon]

idk, I prob take ring

[frank surge]

cheers

[plush tendon]

I think theres one in the dungeon pool

regardless, haste/vers is nice

and you cant get that from raid

though, a argument can be made you will get so much haste from other sources, that getting the chest from first boss aint bad even if its crit/mastery

since itll help bump up your lower stats

IDK, maybe see what drops in raid first then choose

theres a neat 1H off one of the early bosses

and a chest off the first boss

could also do HM and see what you get there

[remote hollow]

Hey guys, any1 got a weakaura for callouts for spell reflect? like so ppl see im using one and wont kick a cast of boss/prio mob

[frosty mango]

lol welcome to warrior

[remote hollow]

o7

hard times require hard kicks

[frosty mango]

https://wago.io/o0cXhDjMD

[remote hollow]

much appreciated

[frosty mango]

IMO I would not use it with the spell reflect wa that shows the bar

[remote hollow]

just.. reflecting 9mil of damage worth of 1 button is like good press

[frosty mango]

Using both will be pretty resource intensive

[remote hollow]

not sure if im using one right now

[frosty mango]

I’d just make a wa that sends a chat msg on spell cast

[solid cargo]

I use spell reflect as an interrupt

In my experience that's the one way to guarantee nothing gets cast. It's like dps can sense you have it up

[remote hollow]

wellp.. im not good at making WA's like at all

[remote hollow]

problem is, usually mobs dont target tank as spell casting target... i remember only like 2 mobs atm and bosses only, mobs are - webmages in DB and bloodwarden in FG

maybe theres more mobs that cast on tanks but cannot remember right now

[frosty mango]

This was an intentional change

Because of auras

A lot of times bosses will also cast an ability with the tank targeted but the tank is t the target

[main thistle]

Which is harder season 2 or season 3 in m+?

[oblique quarry]

I think 3 but both were pretty chill from a tank pov imo

[vernal aspen]

Anyone running Sudden Death for the execute build? I'm getting the same overall as the default build in m+ so I'm def doing something wrong with my executes

[late niche]

are people still running the left side of priory or is the right saide the way to go now?

[rough egret]

I prefer right side

[plush tendon]

flip a coin

and decide after

tails for right, heads for left

blame RNG if you wipe

[solid sun]

I have been going right

And tell the group I handle war cry kicks and let them fumble around with the wizard cast

Help out with a shout if necessary

[plush tendon]

we went left in the 14 we did last week; havnt gotten a higher priory to try yet

[rough egret]

Yepp

[plush tendon]

but Ill see if Kira has a vid of his group doing Priory and just copy him

along with Critcake, hes my guy

[late niche]

thanks

[solid sun]

I don’t do what they do

They’re too good and their groups are too good

I prefer routes geared for disaster humans

[plush tendon]

I do

though for anything 14 and below, you can prob just do what you want

[solid cargo]

See i do that too but I don't think dps read

[plush tendon]

at current gear level

[rough egret]

Im 710

[late niche]

this is my 1st time going the right side- who does the warcry?

knights?

[wide charm]

So I have a 720 crafted shield and I got a mastery heavy myth track shield in my vault that I passed on for hero track brand...
I generally only play the first 3~ weeks of a season then quit and didn't have a solid pug for week 1 aotc, so I'm not wasting my time queuing into pugs that are going to fizzle before even getting to demon hunters.
I dunno, kinda a weird vault
But I gotta say, even hero track, feels like it was a solid call. This trinket is even better than I thought it was. ~6% of my overall healing and like 8+% of my dmg each key?
Kinda wild

[late niche]

thats a lotta info for just asking for gear advice lol

[wide charm]

not really asking for advice, just chatting.

[late niche]

brand does a lot- it was the right call

[daring dust]

Yea kinda nuts, usually 3rd on my overall, below thunder blast and execute (in 13 below keys)

[wide charm]

I already got 3k early last week, so I'm kinda done with the season

unless friends suddenly care about pushing higher, I certainly won't be pugging higher -- fuck that

[late niche]

sick, now you can chill

[tulip pumice]

Looking back over the details from the handful of runs, I’m seeing caster dps with single digit kicks. One of these pug runs will hit with the right players

[wide charm]

Ya, it's crazy -- I'd like to see how wild it'd be with a myth track one. Unexpected but very welcome for sure haha

[late niche]

they will prolly bring back that dinar event again- however i hope it changes or its pointless

[wide charm]

I was disappointed logging in just before the season started and seeing all my gear had 2 more available upgrades that I was not going to farm for at that point xD

Why do they release that stuff 1+ month in??

[whole glade]

to get players to log back in after taking a break, just didn't work with you it seems

gonna happen this season again too afaik

[rough egret]

Boss dailcry something

[toxic pewter]

does crusader aura help during flying phase on dimensiuss

[wide charm]

feels like it's just for raiders tbh
Starting the season just under 680 iirc and it was fine, you just farm a bit the first week and you completely catch up

[fringe burrow]

you think two extra upgrades is just for raiders when it pushes how high a key title chasers can do at the same time?

[wide charm]

I mean, how many players are key pushers all season but also don't raid?

[fringe burrow]

by late season the title pushers are unlikely to be progression raiding the same way they're pushing keys

[wide charm]

I guess that's fair -- is it like week 5 this starts or week 8+?

[fringe burrow]

you cn start the season on a fresh 80 and be fine, having gear is just a nice bonus

.5 or .7 patch, so at least 8 weeks into the season

[wide charm]

Dayum

[fringe burrow]

same time they uncap crests iirc

[storm stone]

guys i know they dicked us over this season abit but. mountain thane prot. FEELS SO GOOD TO PLAY

oh my god i just tanked a +10 streets at 666 ilvl

[frosty mango]

if it makes you feel better its not only you

[storm stone]

and we would have timed it too if i had a better handle on how big i could pull and not die

[frosty mango]

non kicking dps is an epidemic

we need to get the cdc in here

[plush tendon]

lack of kicking and overcap on CC makes keys so much harder

[tulip pumice]

Yea it’s more apparent the deeper I dig into, even the crowd control was beans.

I tried colossus with the higher target count pulls and the knock up shockwave to no avail

[plush tendon]

crazy to me how even in pug IO keys people arent just getting in disc

[frosty mango]

you dont need to be in disc

like overlaps are a thing but

[jagged pier]

it doesnt matter they never do they even added a damage increase to intuprting sucessfully at one point and still no one does it

[frosty mango]

90% of the time people just dont do it

[plush tendon]

idk, for any IO key, I think people should get over their social anxiety and get in voice coms

[jagged pier]

correct

u used to have to do it in SLs to boost keys in the community i was in at least

[frosty mango]

if im sending 100+ interrupts in a key i dont think its much to ask for someone to just make an honest attempt at like

[plush tendon]

the benefits of having instant communication is invaluable

[frosty mango]

50

[jagged pier]

it was required u were in voice

and honestly i just vibed

we never talked tactics

[mighty valley]

sounds like they didn't really dick us over then, huh

[plush tendon]

I remember doing a 15 KR back in S1 of BFA at like 5am

we got in disc XD

its slowly fallen out of favor though

[jagged pier]

it was mostly ppl going 'I thought prot warrior was garbage' as im out dpsing them

[storm stone]

the removal of spell block was absolutely a dicking over IMO

[frosty mango]

if blizz build a discord integration that would be the best thing for the game

or one of the best innovations

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter anyway they basically made nothing blockable this season

[storm stone]

but thats just how i feel about it

[plush tendon]

they have voice comms in game

[jagged pier]

so wouldnt have made a difference

[plush tendon]

they work ok

[frosty mango]

being able to connect to a discord directly in game

[plush tendon]

just no one uses it

my guild was in voice comms when discord went down

[frosty mango]

they're pretty terrible once you get more than like 5-7 people but I agree for keys they work fine

[plush tendon]

cause they were mid key XD

[tulip pumice]

Maybe I’ll just focus on the 14 flood and PSF until more gear next week and save the mental

[storm stone]

ive definitely noticed that too, my weakaura for spell reflect doesnt go off nearly as much it feels like

[mighty valley]

they nerfed all the magic tankbusters, prot warriors are currently doing the highest keys... sounds like we didn't really need it

[solid sun]

Even when my friends get in discord for keys interrupts are an issue :)

[frosty mango]

lots of reflectable stuff

[plush tendon]

I think a lot of casts went to the group rather then the tank

[frosty mango]

just nothing blockable, especially in raid

[plush tendon]

like in halls, If i remember from SL, the obli bolt casts always targeted the tanks

now it targets dps

[storm stone]

eh i might need to update the weakaura then. i installed a fresh one at the start of season

[storm stone]

seems we didnt!

[frosty mango]

I updated it like 3-4 days into the season and I think torkal pushed his a few weeks ago

[plush tendon]

but SR stonks are through the roof on the 3rd boss in Halls

I even named my route "Dont inerrupt 3rd boss. Spell Reflect Stonks!!!"

[storm stone]

yeah im gonna go check his wago

[plush tendon]

people still do -_-

[storm stone]

the anima bolts?

[plush tendon]

but I get a couple of juicy reflects

[plush tendon]

it does lots of damage

and the bolt honestly doesnt hurt

[storm stone]

gona scribble that away on one of my billion sticky notes

[plush tendon]

so I reflect 1, interrupt 2, eat 3rd natty

rinse repeat

[storm stone]

i didnt know that only targeted us

ive been healing all season till this week

[plush tendon]

its actually fine to let the tank eat them

on a 15 at least

[storm stone]

tbh i cant say i noticed what the tank is eating

[plush tendon]

I want DPS 100% focused on the obliterate bolts

that target them

[storm stone]

unless i need to pay attention to a mechanic i just stare at health bars

i only notice the ones i gotta move out of or the ones that my dps are about to eat on my cell bars kek

[plush tendon]

heck, my group knows to let loyal beats go off

if there are 2+ obliterators in the group

[storm stone]

bruh wat

explain

[plush tendon]

cant be wasting kicks on that shit

kick the bolts

dont let dps die

the dogs tickle

[storm stone]

idk about that one man

that shit hurted on a 5

[plush tendon]

its just auto attack speed

Im more scared of a dps getting bolted into a hunter shot

insta dead

[storm stone]

maybe my shield block fell off or something

[plush tendon]

its usually not a problem

we have lots of CC and we dont waste our aoe stuff

nothing more frustrating when everyone send their aoe stuns after I challenging shout

[storm stone]

well i dont have a consistent group so its pug like for me

[plush tendon]

ive pugged a couple of 14s and 15s

the 14s are pretty easy now

15s its a play clean angle

people also give up on Halls way too quick after 2nd boss

[toxic pewter]

prot warr joined my pug raid.... WEARING A CODEX LOL

this guy must be invincible

[plush tendon]

they see the timer at like 11 min and are like 'we cant time this!'

and Im like 'theres 1 trash pull, 2 boss, 1 mini boss.... we got plenty of time'

[neon elk]

Isnt it 2 trash pulls ? U can play that one into boss if they can kick but still, 11 mins there is tight if dps is lower

[plush tendon]

I always pull the 4 onto the boss

If I could, Id pull trash onto every boss

Peak M+ right there

big pulls, trash on bosses

[storm stone]

tbh ive been doing the higher dungeons at my ilvl by

constant mid pulls

just as soon as theyre at 20% pulling into the next pack and flowing across the map

and its been working out pretty smooth so long as i make sure to not invite bad dps

[plush tendon]

yea; once casters and range mobs are dead, I just go next

mobs that just melee or do stuff to tank

I just bring with me

[solid sun]

But what about your rogue gamers

[storm stone]

i rarely see them tbh

[solid sun]

Heck ‘em

We ride

[storm stone]

but yeah if i have one i'll try to let them restealth between bosses

[plush tendon]

track vanish

I also dont really play with rogues

[lilac bloom]

i'm getting hit hard by fist lord

on dimensiou s why

heroic

[inner plank]

Triple trinket ! (Tome of Devotion, Ara-kara Sacbrood, Void Pactstone)
Which one would you take ?

[high latch]

Tome

[jagged pier]

@lusty grotto 31 and 3rd time i got this now

[solid sun]

Fists of the void lord does magic damage doesn’t it

[toxic pewter]

wat a cursed trinket that is

[toxic pewter]

shadow damage isnt that just the boss's melee attacks

[solid sun]

Yes

Someone up above the repetitive vault post asked why they’re getting trucked so hard by fists

P sure it’s magic damage which would explain why they would be hurting them so much

It doesn’t hurt on N but I haven’t done H yet

[toxic pewter]

yeah plus need to make sure u have enough haste to keep shield block up other than just just run hr

for the melee's themselves

[woeful trellis]

whats ur go to for low m+ like farming 10s skill tree?

[mighty valley]

the Weekly Key build on wowhead

[plush tendon]

If I were you, I wouldnt go to a casino anytime soon

[jagged pier]

[mighty valley]

nah, you've used up all your bad luck

bet it all on black

[plush tendon]

at this point, you had roughly a 63% chance of getting the trinket

after 25 runs

[solid sun]

Did you account for the tilt of the earths axis

And wind resistance

[plush tendon]

naw, just went with a 4% chance of getting tome after 1 M+ run

the 4% comes from 40% chance of getting a item times 1/10 items in the selection (I think there are 10 items in the priory pool for Prot?)

could prob get more precise, but yea, super rough estimate

[solid sun]

Why does the chance increase

If everytime you run it you have a 4% chance

[plush tendon]

cause hes done 25 runs

[solid sun]

Why doesn’t it just stay 4%

Because that’s the chance every run

[prisma echo]

Dear more experienced prot brothers. What is your tactic with IRE trinket? Are you equipping it on every dungeon or only on some where you dont lose stacks? What is your experience? I heard that its making so much dmg that its worth for every dungeon 🙂

[plush tendon]

thats just not how probability works

im not a math wiz, so i cant tell you the reason

but its like saying if a roll a 100 sided die 25 times, what is the liklihood that 1 out of those 25 times lands on 1-4

[solid sun]

I don’t know the answer to that question

I am just a rhinoceros, Augusto

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

I have a tiny brain

But a big big horn

[plush tendon]

the equation is 1 - (Probability of event not happening)^ N

N being the number of runs/rolls/chances

so its 1-(0.96)^25 for Jakey

[solid sun]

You said you aren’t a math wizard

But you’re chatting with me like a math wizard

Are you lying to me

[warm plinth]

YER A MATH WIZARD 'ARRY

[high latch]

The drop chance for Tome is 5%, so you're statistically unlucky if you don't get it within 20 runs

[plush tendon]

oh its 5%

[high latch]

Yeah, 8 items in the pool

[plush tendon]

so yea, Jakey had a 73% chance of getting the item already

though you can increase your chance of getting it by increasing key level or introducing people to trade it

by quite a large margin

[solid sun]

Does the equation change since the same item can drop each time

Like you could get a shoulder drop 4 times in a row

[plush tendon]

yes

its 40% for a chance at loot times 1/8 items in the pool

so 5% chance per run to get tome

[neon elk]

As a non math guy i would say the chance is 50%

[plush tendon]

assuming no one can trade or will trade it to you

[high latch]

Statistics don't always match reality in limited cases. You can run it a thousand times and still not get it, but you'd be very unlucky.

[hardy snow]

thats why its called probability

[plush tendon]

actually, now im curious what the probability would have been should you have done it 25 times with a group that can and would trade it to you

[high latch]

Everyone would need to run tank loot spec

[plush tendon]

you would have two chances of the item at 1/8 prob each

[solid sun]

Is probability and chance it drops different

Or is it the same thing

[plush tendon]

its the same

[solid sun]

Because the chance the item drops each run doesn’t change right

It’s always a 5% chance

[plush tendon]

right, but once you start doing multiple runs

the probability you would have gotten it once in one of those runs changes

[jaunty jacinth]

Channeling Stone Idol doesn't stop our parrying i assume?

[plush tendon]

as you keep rolling the dice, the chance a event happens once increases

but the probability it will happen in a single run remains in the same

[high latch]

You channel it, so it stops parrying and blocking etc. So it can mess you up pretty badly.

[mellow bridge]

afaik it does so gotta be careful

[jaunty jacinth]

used it yesterday for the whole day, didn't notice anything tbh

wanted to make sure

[warm plinth]

It prevents dodge/block/parry

But as it's only a second, it's pretty safe

[high latch]

Just Shockwave first and it's 100% safe

[jaunty jacinth]

Wouldn't wanna risk it, will just switch to araz

[plush tendon]

you can also move while channeling it

or do it pre pull

[warm plinth]

The risk is basically 0 but w/e you wanna do

[plush tendon]

its a risk, but not unmanagable

[jaunty jacinth]

Yea, gonna play with it some more and see

[plush tendon]

I use it on my BDK

its neat

I have a mythic pace and champ brand on my war Im using

I may play around with idol if I get one to drop

but there is a solid pool of trinkets this tier to choose from

which im thankful for.... S1 had such a dog shit pool

S2 was slightly better, but this season has lots of cool stuff

[high latch]

Thank god we didn't get CoT back

[plush tendon]

I wish we didnt get Ara Kara back

[solid sun]

Caverns of Time has a few dungeons I’m not overly fond of

[lunar flare]

Mythic+ escape from durnholde keep when

[high latch]

Yeah.. People voted for trinkets, not the actual dungeons

[mighty valley]

hillsbrad m+ let's gooooooooo

omg same joke

[plush tendon]

Dawn and Priory were decent picks

Priory has been nerfed enough where im like 'ok, nice 3 boss dungeon'

[solid sun]

Huh

Dawn shouldn’t have even been allowed to be picked

[plush tendon]

Dawn is fine

[solid sun]

It’s such a buggy disaster

[plush tendon]

just buggy

im not overly fond of many of the WW dungeons tbh

[lunar flare]

I find new bugs in dawn every run

[plush tendon]

like my fav dungeons this season are the Taz, Halls, and Eco

Dawn is good

meh about priory

[lunar flare]

Tazavesh is my fave

[plush tendon]

and super meeeh on Ara

[high latch]

You like HOA? Maybe I've just been unlucky with my groups..

[mighty valley]

god i was doing dawn the other day with friends and... at the part before the first boss where you have to bomb the two other boats... three people just went to a different boat than me

[plush tendon]

Ive always enjoyed Hals

once of my favs from SL

[mighty valley]

and the hunter just started shooting with no tank

[mellow bridge]

first pull of ara always gives me aids

[plush tendon]

though the % changes on trash took some time to get used to

[mighty valley]

"i dunno. feel like people always go to this one first"

[high latch]

I always just ping the boat I'm going to

Never been an issue

[plush tendon]

the first area % always confuses me

I dont like it

and the first and second bosses are actually pains in the ass

the last area is fine... i guess

but I wont miss these dungeons when they are gone

[mellow bridge]

just an annoying dungeon ngl

dawn would be pretty fun if it wasnt such a sad buggy mess

[plush tendon]

I like Cinderbrew

first area big pulls fun

[mellow bridge]

i guess 1.5 years isnt enough time to fix it

gonna be really fun depleting push keys to random bugs

i heccin love it

[plush tendon]

though no real choice on trash to pull

Stonevault couldve been a banger

but the last hallway ruins it for me

[solid sun]

Eco is my favorite

[plush tendon]

Eco is a solid dungeon

[solid sun]

Because it’s easy

And I’m not ashamed to admit it

[plush tendon]

well, I like all the options on trash you can do

and the timer is super forgiving

[mellow bridge]

i would like Eco a lot more if it didnt have 50% of its mobs just jumping out of the pack perma

[solid sun]

I hate AK. I hate Dawn. I hate Halls

[plush tendon]

it feels like a good modern dungeon though

also not a lot of repeat caster mobs in there

a couple of important casts to get

but no machine gun bolts

[solid sun]

A dungeon pool is fucked up imo if priory starts getting ranked higher in my internal tier list

Floodgate, priory, and the two halves of Taz assuming everyone in streets can skip the last mini boss

[cerulean tusk]

No way prio is going above the bottom, whats going on

[plush tendon]

the last mini boss in Taz aint bad anymore

[solid sun]

The other four all eat sand

[plush tendon]

I dont think people are skipping him

[solid sun]

I do

[high latch]

Yeah I changed my route to do the miniboss after the nerf

[plush tendon]

at least, im not

[cerulean tusk]

No need to skip mini, quite efficient atm

[high latch]

It's easy and tonnes of percent

It's like 8.5% or something?

[plush tendon]

yea, I do him with two peacekeepers

[cerulean tusk]

If you got any prio dam and not only AoE pad Kings ofc

[true yoke]

what could you recommend me to choose? i have 2/4 tiersets, my shoulders are myth

[plush tendon]

socket or ritual mud (if you reaaaly want it)

i assume the raid options are hero track

[sterile orbit]

i would take mud

[fossil nimbus]

Okay. So, for a second trinket with brand. Soleah's sim's lower in single target than pacemaker (even if soleah's is crit), but in multi-target soleah's sims higher with...mastery? Does that seem reasonable?

[tulip pumice]

I’ve been killing the last mini boss, after the nerfs he’s rather free

[neon elk]

Is he still "buged" where pull doeesnt do any dmg ? Or they fixed that ? Didnt play him this week yet

[plush tendon]

potentially

[orchid narwhal]

is it me, or do warior shields break almost every key

[plush tendon]

you might have really low mastery

but I'd just run pace over soleahs

and forget sims

[tulip pumice]

no bugs that ive ran into yet, just way fewer mines and they despawn as well

[fossil nimbus]

I do have really low mastery and vers. So in MT vers or master soleah's outperforms.

It's just interesting seeing opposite stats in ST and MT.

[neon elk]

Last week the tether was buged and its dmg wasnt scaled with key so one less mechanic and no need to pull from each other, u just insta pair for nothing and dont risk geting pulled into mine , but that was a bug

[tulip pumice]

ill confirm it

[reef matrix]

This might be an faq or a dumb q but is there a proper way to press Shield Slam and Thunderblast/clap buttons so that you can auto consume Severe Thunder when the it procs? It's probably super minimal diff but I keep hitting shield slam after thunderblast and missing the resets technically.

[neon elk]

It will put dot on both players when they connect, but the dot was like nonexistent , even leech could outheal it..

[reef matrix]

Like maybe Im just old but the reset being delayed a little makes it harder for me to react to at higher haste/lust moments?

[fair beacon]

BIG QUESTION: since 11.2 started, been having relative fps drops which I mitigated, except in the raid (notably last 2 bosses) that it went to hell. For the absolute first time, in order to make my way into a raid, I played fury for Dimensius. the fps was absolute perfect, never dropped below 60. I AM CONFUSED! I am using no weakauras whatsoever, what could possibly cause this!

[reef matrix]

What's your raid size (assuming you werent progging mythic dimensius)

[lilac widget]

so what is the reason mountain thane is the go to now? is it damage? damage reduction? or the rage generation/ability to spam ignore pain for avatar reduction?

[reef matrix]

I had FPS issues in 25+ man raid on the last two as well, had no issues on 20 man mythic

[high latch]

Yep, the damage

[lilac widget]

ahh damn, my damage was much worse trying it but that was before i got 4pc, so i guess i'll give it another whirl

[high latch]

Oh yeah, 4pc is massive for MT

[fair beacon]

30!

both times!

[reef matrix]

Yeah, you'll have raid fps issues there without extreme top of the line specs. If you're going into mythic you shouldn't really expect any issues at all.

[fossil nimbus]

Are many people running Hunker Down for keys in here? Also shield specialization. I see a decent amount of streamers dropping one or both of those to pick up some combination of blood surge/bloodborne/sudden death.

I'm running hunker down, and it feels real cozy on like...big momma, basically all of priory. But I wonder if it's just overkill.

[cerulean tusk]

I don't use it, I run exe setup . I feel cozy on momma 13-14

I soon want mud tho

[azure crag]

Man
I love dealing so much damage as tank. It gently pushes all the dps in my group to do better, cause nobody wants to be accused of doing tank damage

I do still wonder why the crit on thunderblast and thunderclap is lower than everything else

[high latch]

Isn't it because the echoing effect when hitting enough targets can't crit? Or am I misremembering?

[indigo obsidian]

Is there a way you can combine MDT and Nameplates, so that you have some sort of symbol on the nameplates wich mobs you want to pull?

[meager elbow]

there was a weak aura called mdt pull assist but it doesnt seem to be working anymore, i'm looking for the same thing

[azure crag]

This move? Seismic reverberations now affecting thunderclap?

That could be it...though, the reverberations doesn't say it can't crit, and revenge's crit chance looks normal

[fossil nimbus]

Can you link your talent build?

[high latch]

Yeah, that's the one. Seismic Reverb.

[lilac widget]

so as mountain thane is it a lot more high apm? im just thinking about the constant use of ignore pain you can do

i'm probably gonna have to move ignore from V to E if thats the case

[fossil nimbus]

IP on mousewheel

[azure crag]

Mountain thane has a very high apm, it's true

[high latch]

Yes. We have so much more rage on MT, so we spam IP much more.

[fossil nimbus]

It's not even IP for me, it's how often thunderblast is procc'd.

[azure crag]

I have ignore pain on E, personally
And I MASH THAT BUTTON a lot

[lilac widget]

unfortunately up is my kick, and down is my heroic leap/harpoon etc

[meager elbow]

put ignore pain on mousewheel and you wont feel like spamming buttons

[azure crag]

It's like every other button press sometimes

[lilac widget]

yeah that doesnt sound fun at all

might stick to colossus

[fossil nimbus]

Do you play druid ever?

[lilac widget]

yah

[fossil nimbus]

Bing IP to the same button you bind IF.

[lilac widget]

but not in high content

[fossil nimbus]

It's the same amount of spam

[lilac widget]

ironfur is on 3

[azure crag]

It makes it feel weird going back to playing DB blood, cause that mess is slow

[lilac widget]

same as shield block

i guess i could just switch ignore and block

[fossil nimbus]

But yeah, MT is like bear in Incarn levels of APM

[high latch]

But do know that Col is still decent. You're not griefing if you wanna play that instead.

Unless you really need all the damage you can get

[lilac widget]

yeah ive been playing it and its working out fine, thanks for that 🙂

i only get to 3k

dont push silly numbers

[void holly]

Hey guys, started prot warrior for the first time. Loving it, just trying to min max my damage.

What’s the criteria to using execute correctly? Or we primarily using shield block and thunder clap until we get a free execute proc

[high latch]

Without execute build it's basically the lowest priority just over Revenge on up to 3 targets. With exe build it pretty high up there, and on up to 6 targets. I'd recommend checking the rotation guide on Wowhead.

[lilac widget]

wait hang on a minute, theres an execute build? i thought we could only use it in the casual build

cause that sounds very much like a build id be into

[void holly]

I have the talent that proves execute on 2 other targets

[void holly]

Got it thanks

[lilac widget]

that things usable though in higher keys?

id love to play it

[mighty valley]

how high are you going

[lilac widget]

13 will be the ceiling

[high latch]

It's all relative.. I would not call it "the casual build", but you do lose out on some defensive power for more damage.

You can easily run the execute build in 13s.

[lilac widget]

so thats just the one named casual keys on wowhead? or would i drop out diff talents

[high latch]

I'd recommend using the execute build as a starting point. And you'll quickly learn if it's too squishy for your needs.

[lilac widget]

that sounds like im being sassy, im not

just wanna make sure im using the right one

[left escarp]

literally every log I've ever compared (execute vs. bonus bleed) is basically the same damage

[lilac widget]

yeah that sounds about right

fun detected

[high latch]

Wowhead calls it the "Weekly Key" build: CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAkBAAAgxMMzMzMzMbmZWGMGjGzyYGGLjZmhtZmxMwwAAAAAAALDAwM2AMwGssY0YGAzSY2YGzA

[left escarp]

its just moved around; you spend globals on execute rather than SS or TBlast, but the damage is basically equal

[lilac widget]

yeah sorry i misremembered it then, i have that one saved

ait well i guess ill give the base MT build a run now, and then try out the execute one

shit i still need to raid to get brand this week too

[high latch]

Both are good. The other recommended build is more tanky, but you lose a little bit of damage.

In 13s it doesn't really matter.. Both will serve you well.

[fair beacon]

any suggestions on where to farm some quick valorstones aside from dungeons? don't need crests, just valorstones

[uncut burrow]

World echoes come to mind

[oblique quarry]

Just gotta save those little valor stone use items you get from the story and crest turn ins at the start of every patch hahaha

[fair beacon]

should I use by the fives or one by one?

[high latch]

Using 5 simply multiplies your reward by 5, so might as well

[uncut burrow]

Fives for the sake of time saving. Essentially multiplies the winnings

[fair beacon]

thanks guys

[harsh musk]

does anyone use jendies plater profile?

jundies

[high latch]

I do

[harsh musk]

i currently have 2 overlapping health plates is there a way to turn it off?

[high latch]

Haven't had that issue. First off I'd recommend removing the profile and importing it again. Could just be an old bug and that's quick to try.

[harsh musk]

this is what it is

[high latch]

I assume you've tried /reload ?

Plater can be a bit scuffed right after importing a profile if you don't reload.

If that doesn't help, I'd ask in #ui-addons-manager .

[harsh musk]

ty

[storm stone]

total side note but blizz did a good job with the sound design for prot warr, when i thunder blast it feels like im smacking some dude in the face with an entire power line

[reef matrix]

damn full game sounds on you're a wild one.

[storm stone]

it helps me get in the zone

if all i hear is the occasional bigwigs i start to lose focus

[rancid tiger]

100% gnoam warrior with sound mode

Is bis

[nocturne spindle]

that looks more like you ahve two nameplate addons on

did you have elvui default on or something too

[fossil horizon]

Prot nerfs when

I hate that I’m getting used to carrying keys with damage not knowing if nerfs are coming or not

[plush tendon]

maybe this Friday

or next Friday

if we dont see after that, my bet is there will be no further tuning till the .5

[cedar egret]

they are so silent about any balance idk first season there were changes almost every week

[plush tendon]

at the earliest

balance is generally not bad right now

[fossil horizon]

Imagine they just buff every other tanks dps

[plush tendon]

they dont even need to do that

[fossil horizon]

I mean prot dps really stands out

[plush tendon]

in raid yea

Brew is doing silly damage in keys as well

same with Prot Pal

[fossil horizon]

Don’t give me hope

[plush tendon]

like the margin isnt that big where Prot War is heads above everyone else

these are the Mythic Stats for Fract

which I think is the only pure ST fight in the raid

[fossil horizon]

I feel like god in keys

[plush tendon]

its a good dungeon pool for Prot War

theres no denying it

[rough egret]

AM is so crazy during BL and big pull it happens usually that I have remaining duration on avatar like 2secondw and im sendin new one in 😄 like it

[tulip pumice]

Just killed him on an 11, 53 seconds of combat and no ones hp dropped below 90%

6% for less then a minute of combat seems legit imo

I think he’s 6%, idk I’m kinda dumb

[daring narwhal]

did they change mythic araz today ? i now get the silence zone on me as tank

[prime sphinx]

u get targeted by it?

[daring narwhal]

yes

100 pull and it's the first time tonight, were we just super lucky or it's bugged / changed ?

[desert brook]

I’m currently around 85% on average uptime on shield block. My haste seems lower than what I see in disc. What’s a solid amount of haste you guys think to get the % up?

[high latch]

21k+ to run ITF, or swap the talent to Heavy Repercussions

[spice anchor]

If i wanted more surv would i go more haste vers instead of haste crit?

[high latch]

Vers and crit both make you more tanky, just in different ways. Vers affects everything, crit gives you more parry.

[prime sphinx]

never seen it on tank sounds weird were bunch of ppl dead? idk mby someone feign/vanish as it was targeting them somehow ended up on tank

[spice anchor]

Right but I'm just not sure what to craft my stats since I can't sim which would have more survival impact mainly for keys

[plush tendon]

vers and crit are both equal

[high latch]

I've never heard anyone recommend one stat over the other for defensiveness, aside from vers inherently affecting magic damage which crit doesnt.

[plush tendon]

if Im low on vers, I go haste vers

[tired forge]

any1 have Sudden Death WA for prot warrior? cant find it in Wagio

[plush tendon]

if im low on crit, I go haste crit

its easy enough to change later

[nocturne spindle]

colossus favored crit because of one of the talents i forget which

i think now damage wise its pretty much haste to like 22k then spread everything out on gear and the trinkets we like give crit

[plush tendon]

I just eyeball it

whatever looks good, I slap on

sim when really needed

[high latch]

I just sim whenever there's a difficult choice to be made. Yes, sims don't calculate survivability, but that's not a concern for 99.9% of people.

[plush tendon]

[high latch]

100 IQ gang

[plush tendon]

yea, I only use sims for some quick answers

like if im debating between two rings or somethng

as long as I have enough haste to be comfortable then Im good

[high latch]

That works. And especially this early in the season ilvl > stats is generally true anyways except for trinkets.

[plush tendon]

there are so many good trinkets

as long as I get two of the good ones, then Im pretty happy

already got Myth Pace, a Soleahs, and a brand

if I can snag Atenna or Arcanocore from raid and a idol from Halls

I feel pretty good

[shell fern]

Guys what do I craft next after I already crafted a shield?

Do I go for the weapon?

[high latch]

Weapon if you don't have a myth weap already

[shell fern]

Which weapon?

[high latch]

They're all the same.. They just vary a tiny bit in damage range.

[plush tendon]

you can go wep or bracers/belt

wep would be more immediate upgrade

[high latch]

Most people I think pick sword or axe.

[plush tendon]

bracers and belt are long term embellishment slots

[shell fern]

Which weapon?

[open vale]

heya is there a graph that compares trinkets (so i can see if a raid trinket performs better than a hero m+ trinket) been looking around and didnt see one for Brand of ceaseless ire

[plush tendon]

you like swords, axes or maces more?

[shell fern]

Ohhh I see but do I craft an axe or sword?

[plush tendon]

pick the one you like the most and make sure it has strength on it

wep type doesnt matter

[shell fern]

Whatever the best is hahaha

I don’t mind actually any of them

[high latch]

Yeah, as long as it's a 1 hander with strength, you're good. It really doesn't matter.

You can also decide based on which is cheaper.

[shell fern]

And sub stats?

[plush tendon]

and dont forget.... MAKE SURE ITS STRENGTH

[high latch]

Haste/crit is normally the choice. Or you can sim.

[plush tendon]

haste/crit or haste/vers

whatever floats your boat

[high latch]

Augusto speaks wise words.

[plush tendon]

I went haste/crit on wep and haste/vers on shield

cause im like that

[shell fern]

I see c: nice frieren pic btw

[plush tendon]

[shell fern]

And thanks for the help u both!

Is everforged longsword right, right?

[high latch]

Yep, that's a good option.

[plush tendon]

just double check it has str

[high latch]

It does.

[shell fern]

Yes

[plush tendon]

then you are all set 🙂

youd be suprised how often it happens where people craft a int wep

[high latch]

I think the closest we have is the tier list on Wowhead, but you should just sim it yourself honestly.

[plush tendon]

even RWF raiders do it

[high latch]

Yeah it's an easy mistake to make.

[open vale]

they had one for arms in their guide, but i heard how strong the tank trinket from the raid is. the antenna was better than most 710 trinkets and i was wondering if it is as strong too. only do m+ and lfr myself

[high latch]

I know Bloodmallet has such an overview, but lots of guys here say it's bad. Haven't really used it myself so...

If you sim it yourself you'll have a good answer.

[shell fern]

The charged slice is of all three of them the strongest dmg wise

[high latch]

Maybe Bloodmallet is correct. Maybe not.

[high latch]

They all do the same DPS. It's just that some have wider or more narrow damage range.

[plush tendon]

from my understanding, Atenna is like pacemaker

I think Atenna is slightly better in sims though?

but I aint worried about it

itll be another 2 weeks or so before I will start pugging mythic

honestly, by the end of this tier, I bet people will be able to pug 6/8 Mythic

or at least 5/8

[shell fern]

Sorry, what sigil and scrolls do I pick?

Algari Missive of the Fireflash, this one or different one?

[late niche]

Fireflash is crit haste

[high latch]

That sounds correct, but I don't know for sure. I'm not ingame so I can't check easily.

[shell fern]

Yes I want crit haste on it

Ah alright, thanks

[high latch]

Just make sure you set minimum quality requirement to max. Else you can get lower ilvl crafted than you want.

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto hello good day to you friend

[shell fern]

And this sigil? Duskthread Lining

[high latch]

Weapons can't have Duskthread. Someone else should answer because I don't 100% remember at the top of my head, but you probably want the lense thingy, or just go without embellishment on your weap and do 2 on armor pieces instead.

The latter is what I'm doing.

[lusty grotto]

answer what

lens is good for ST, ascendance is probably best for both

but

[shell fern]

Oh I see🥲 I don’t know what to do rn tho then

[lusty grotto]

its whatever, it doesnt have to have an embelish

[shell fern]

Any warrior can help pls?

[lusty grotto]

it can be embelishless

hello?

[high latch]

Nim is a warrior 🙂

[shell fern]

Ohhh mb I saw too late

[lusty grotto]

is this thing on

[shell fern]

Is that an item, sorry I’m new to this

[high latch]

Personally I would not embellish the weapon and instead get my two embellishment from armor slots.

[lusty grotto]

its called an embellishment

you can only have 2 equipped

go to your order npc, and you can see the ones available when youre making the order, just cancel the order and go and buy one that we mentioned and redo it

[high latch]

Like "Duskthread Lining" that you mentioned Roseee, that's one of the embellishments you can get.

There's a number of different ones.

[lilac widget]

is anyone here using screams?

[lusty grotto]

2 dropped last night but i didnt get one

[shell fern]

Ohhh I see

[dusky canopy]

BRUH

Tell me

Why

[shell fern]

Okay I get it u both

[dusky canopy]

Every boss

[shell fern]

My bad

[dusky canopy]

Dropped the good trinket

Except DIMENSIUS

Bro I wanted it so bad

[high latch]

Crafting can be a bit complicated before you get used to it 🙂

[shell fern]

So instead of using it on a weapon I should use it rather on a shield or bracers etc?

[lusty grotto]

also a myth arcanocore dropped but i was benched hehehe

[high latch]

That's what I would do, yes. Shield + Bracer is good, or bracer + belt

[lusty grotto]

ideally you want it on bracer + belt

[dusky canopy]

And now I got a myth arcano and I’m sure that means the damn outlaw will get the screams

[lusty grotto]

but you can put one in weapon for now, and then remove it with a recraft

[dusky canopy]

[solid sun]

Why you benched, nimchip

Odd melee out?

[lusty grotto]

yeah kind of

im ok with it

[shell fern]

So those sigils etc r called embellishments?

[high latch]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#embellishments you will have more luck reading the guide

oops

wrong guide

[shell fern]

And those scrolls I can use on everything I craft?

[high latch]

Yes, those decide which stats the item will get

Like haste/crit

[shell fern]

Okay!

[lusty grotto]

they arent scrolls

[high latch]

Missives

Algari Missive of...

[shell fern]

So weapon will be empty crafted rn?

Like nothing on it

But technically I could put a sigil till I craft a wrist or belt or?

Or am I missing something

[high latch]

You're right. Embellished gear can be recrafted to have the embellishment removed later.

[lusty grotto]

here you go

https://simpleboost.com/guides/wow/wow-tww-season-2-gearing-guide/#elementor-toc__heading-anchor-6 this has a short summary

so you understand

[shell fern]

Ahhh let me see

I appreciate the help a lot u both

[lusty grotto]

or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28NfDO5jMas

idk

i just pasted what i could find by googling

but i could have asked chatgpt

[shell fern]

I see, I’m looking through it. I appreciate the help!!!

[lusty grotto]

funny, chatgpt links that same video, that guy has hit SEO gold

as to what to craft and what embelishes, you have your answers which we have provided

as to what stats, the guide in wowhead tells you pretty much

or the icyveins guide

[ruby musk]

We use councils guile instead of depths now?

When did this happen

[lusty grotto]

when you sim for enchants

like you should

but the answer is since last season

not specifically guile though

whatever sims best

[ruby musk]

Hmm I see. Been a while since I checked the guide usually consumables dont change much.

I'll add it to my raidbots

[lusty grotto]

aside from Authority they are all secondary stat enchants so

sims are good

[dusky canopy]

Look at this badass rat someone made for you yesterday

[lusty grotto]

i did look at it

reminds me of that old artist El'gpt

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

“El’gpt”

That’s perfect

[plush tendon]

thats a hamster

[lusty grotto]

what did you just call me

[dusky canopy]

You stop that talk heathen!

[harsh musk]

Sacbrood on first run never touching it again😂

[lusty grotto]

why touch it at all

i dont see a count of Ara Karas on my nickname

[dusky canopy]

Hey how you been!? New tier prog going well?

[plush tendon]

we just doing keys

no raid for me these days; too much time commitment

Ill have them carry me once they get CE

[dusky canopy]

LOL

Based

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

I desire the Zug to much

I must participate

[lusty grotto]

zug dn

[plush tendon]

Im trying to push for the higher resil keys and then sell em

I hear the gold is pretty good

[dusky canopy]

I’ll Zug something alright!

Hole up..

Nims moms calling

[lusty grotto]

shit at least let me buy you dinner first

ok nvm she can do that

[dusky canopy]

I’m expensive

The only dining menu I’m willing to order from is tome

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/dab-gif-26049198

[storm stone]

BRO, you are of my people

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

Makes me sadge though

This tier is actually good

[storm stone]

i aint commiting to 3 hours of raid time 2x a week when i need to go to the gym and take care of other obligations

[plush tendon]

Season 1 and 2 were mid raids

But I really enjoyed this one on heroic

And yea, it’s tough

I was on a 3 night 3 hour schedule

Working 9-5, commuting into Boston

[dusky canopy]

I like the dungeons this season but so far I can’t stand plexus or loomithar

I’m very excited for frac

[plush tendon]

Plus doing other RL stuff made it super exhausting to raid

[dusky canopy]

Because I can just Zug my ass off

That’s my kind of fight

[storm stone]

i havent even touched heroic yet tbh, havent had much time to wow till this week

[plush tendon]

My first time doing heroic was Monday… and it was for a sale

Best way to raid; get gold for it

[storm stone]

frac has great healer items but its a damn shame theres no cool shield like the gallywix shield from last tier

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I don’t even care about the loot it drops I just want to crank boss and not do add swapping shit

Plus Tetris

[storm stone]

maybe its just me being alittle sour on raids after so many expansions

[slow viper]

what build do we use in M+ guys?

[storm stone]

i care far more about the gear than anything else so i can go back to m+ and crank my hawg to the meters

[plush tendon]

Soul hunters, nexus king and Demi all look to be my kind of fights

[dusky canopy]

Soul hunters does look very funny too yeah!

[still glade]

Do I want to macro ignore pain or shield block to something?

[lusty grotto]

no

[vale escarp]

Just Check #protection-faq

[lusty grotto]

thats banned

[coarse kernel]

Soul Hunters is an incredibly simple tank fight with an incredible amount of mechanic spam happening

[vale escarp]

Wasnt IP + SS a thing

[lusty grotto]

no

well yes, but thats not what they are asking

[coarse kernel]

Most of this raid is pretty boring to tank, I'm really enjoying King Saladbar

[lusty grotto]

they arent asking to optimize

they are asking to macro IF like bears

which is bad

Saladbar is a great tank fight for sure

its a shame we only get one of those a tier, or none at all

[uncut burrow]

Macroing them would seem off-kilter since the builder (Shield Slam) generates less resource than what you’re spending (ie Ignore Pain)

[lusty grotto]

why are we discussing this

thats not what he asked

[coarse kernel]

Dimidome isn't too bad

[lusty grotto]

and also youre wrong

read between the lines

[coarse kernel]

I have shield block macroed to every keybind execpt for my 1-button macro

[lusty grotto]

thats dumb

but you do you

i hope youre playing HR

[pliant iris]

It's important to have shield block up but you're wasting a lot of rage if you have it bound to everything

[lusty grotto]

its not a rage waste problem

[pliant iris]

better to create or grab a weak aura that tracks the time for you more easily in bar form

[lusty grotto]

its an overcap problem

especially with SC up

and its a gap problem, when playing iTF

[coarse kernel]

I'm just memeing, but sometimes I will spam the shit on my opener so I don't have to refresh for a bit

[lusty grotto]

thats fine i guess

depending on fight length

for raids its doable

for keys... eh

[rigid hull]

what do u run goat , roar or spear @lusty grotto

[dusky canopy]

Yeah I agree I love saladbar

[lusty grotto]

roar in keys, and planning on spear in raid

[sharp merlin]

Real question

[lusty grotto]

but there's some good spear use cases

[rigid hull]

after palying like a billion dungeons

[lusty grotto]

plus its more dam

[sharp merlin]

Stacks on TB, do they matter? As in, should I just TB if I have 1 stack or wait for the 2nd one?

[rigid hull]

i feel liuke spear does some insane damage

with the

crit bonus

talent

[pliant iris]

line it up w/ lust and pot

great burst damage

[lusty grotto]

just send it

dont think about it

[sharp merlin]

thank, fucking god, that's what I've been doing

[lusty grotto]

you will get 2 from avatar anyway and tier

[sharp merlin]

yeah true

I like it, I hit avvy, I hit the clap

[lusty grotto]

tier will give you charges, plus SS and natty TC, so holding them is super stupid

[coarse kernel]

are there any scenarios where we prioritize TB over SS?

[rigid hull]

do i even try simming passive/active whirling blade?

[lusty grotto]

what

[sharp merlin]

I love the triple SS back to back

[lusty grotto]

never except when youre TB capped in ST

on 2+ targets you can prio TB

[rigid hull]

ravageer versions i mean

[lusty grotto]

why

[mighty valley]

you can, and you'll find out that the passive one does more damage

[lusty grotto]

i mean go for it, but why would you want to play ravager

[mighty valley]

you're giving up control for more total ravagers

[rigid hull]

was curious

whats mroe damaeg

[lusty grotto]

the one thats in every build

which is not ravager

[pallid quiver]

^^^ The only realistic reason off the top of my head to consider ravager for is if you're handling the single large majority of trash pulls in an M+ run in one giant, massive, bungo pull, but even then, the proc rate still probably is better

oh nim beat me to it

er, i mean in just typing

I was referring to Harrow's statement with the arrows above

[coarse kernel]

does passive ravager teleport when there's no enemies in range or am I just seeing double procs?

[lusty grotto]

im 1 pot deep cause im fresh out of the office so

big mouse energy

it doesnt teleport, but it will briefly follow just like natty ravager

[sharp merlin]

Also hit 3k tonight, wooo!

[pliant iris]

you get more procs of ravager on the auto one, but have more control on the reticule one. I believe the sims all go with the more frequent auto proc

[lusty grotto]

thanks for repeating what harrow said

[mighty valley]

i'll take it as a compliment

[pliant iris]

Didn't see it, no need to be an ass

[lusty grotto]

welcome to skyhold friend

[small steeple]

hi this was Nimchip, he's always like this

[coarse kernel]

Zug

[idle copper]

My health is 23m but impending victory is only healing me for 1.6m on avg?

[dusky canopy]

No way

[lusty grotto]

are you aware of what Average means

[dusky canopy]

Oh Nim

I let that one slide

[craggy frost]

What’s everyone feeling for raid and M+ when it comes to Brand of ceaseless ire vs tome and pacemaker. Brand always seems to be 10-15%! Of my details damage but the other two as a combo sim higher.

[idle copper]

its supposed to be 20% though? which would be 4.6m?

[lusty grotto]

also mortal strike effects exist

[mighty valley]

where are you getting the average from

[idle copper]

details

[lusty grotto]

we dont deal with feelings we deal with numbers, we aint paladins

[round pendant]

boys I'm blind where do I find the talent tree on wowhead

not the pwar one

just the general viewer

[mighty valley]

are you overhealing with it

[idle copper]

yep, so its just giving me the amount healed, not the total with overheal yep?

[solid sun]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc

[idle copper]

as in im clearly wasting it?

[round pendant]

thanks cuties

[lusty grotto]

likely Six

[sinful copper]

Can someone explain how to tank last room arakara? I have deathless run up till there and then the drones and web circles destroy me. The healer said they can't cleanse me enough for it and I have insane healing debuffs and movement too.

[idle copper]

ty

[sinful copper]

Only one jump

[lusty grotto]

but why are you worried about it

asking Six, not you sorbitol

[mighty valley]

yeah just go get yourself beat up, press the button, and see how much it does

[idle copper]

was just curious, maybe try and use it more at lower health?

[mighty valley]

i mean

[idle copper]

to maximise it

[mighty valley]

only use it at lower health lol

[lusty grotto]

thats bs from the healer

[mighty valley]

it's an emergency button

[lusty grotto]

the healer is just dispelling asap instead of waiting

also Avatar will dispel you

and so will freedom

[craggy frost]

My issue is when simming it’s hard to get a good understanding of brands benefits vs the other 2. My live details numbers always have brand at a higher % of my overall damage. And the absorbs is not horrible either sometimes beating out my cloak

[solid sun]

I believe you want to dispel when the circles go out

[lusty grotto]

im gonna try my best to explain it in a way it doesnt seem like im insulting you

you arent pressing your buttons, so brand will seemingly (but not quite) do more because youre doing less

[solid sun]

I remember asking a ret paladin in discord to freedom me in that area and he BoP’d me instead

That was sick as heck

[sinful copper]

I see. Because I'll just be 100% slowed the whole time.

[mighty valley]

yeah, you've got two buttons to save yourself

plus your healer can dispel when appropriate

[lusty grotto]

but why

[mighty valley]

if the pull is going long, communication helps

so you don't overlap

[lusty grotto]

im just confused why you want to maximize impeding to begin with

whats the point

[idle copper]

nothing really i was just looking at details and it seemed low

im not much at thoery stuff - just seemed like something i may be able to improve

[lusty grotto]

no

you dont

impending is just

an emergency heal

thats it

[mighty valley]

or like. sometimes there's a heal absorb and you can help out

[lusty grotto]

if you press it regularly youre gonna be losing rage and dps

[idle copper]

fair one

[lusty grotto]

no reason to focus on it

pointless

[idle copper]

i had 16 presses on a HOA i just did - to much?

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably

but bro why

even look at it

lol

[idle copper]

fair one

[mighty valley]

sometimes if there's a fuckup, you need to press it

but like. it's worse at everything than any other button you could press with that gcd

unless you're gonna die otherwise

[lusty grotto]

honestly if there's a fuck up, its better to pot

its very rare i press it