protection

[lusty grotto]

i believe you

[shrewd grove]

This is my next dnd character

[plush flint]

Whats the best craft after shield? wowhead says ring/neck but why not weapon?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[plush flint]

Okay, so weapon it is. Makes more sense

[slim chasm]

Hey guys. In our bis list it has us wanting the ring off Araz with mastery. And a haste vers neck. Is that too just avoid the DR of 22k or whatever it is

[red beacon]

Dwarf or NE this season for M+ ?

I feel like there is not that much thing to cleanse

[lusty grotto]

its just what sims highest in conjunction with the other items, its not bis by itself

whats bis is what sims highest for you

depending on your items

[slim chasm]

I assumed. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

or more specifically, your equipped stats

[slim chasm]

Right

[plush flint]

Okay, so follow up. Do i not embellish the weapon and wait for next spark to embellish a bracer/jewelry?

[lusty grotto]

you can embelish it

just remove it after

[dusky canopy]

God damn Nim looks badass irl!!!

[warm plinth]

I put ascension on mine but will remove it when I make wrists

[lusty grotto]

since you can recraft and remove it

[plush flint]

I'll go that route then 🙂

[lime spruce]

getting back into M+ on prot, are raider.io routes the best for pugs or are there even more braindead and safer pug routes out there, a lot of these have me weaving around pats and stuff and it's hard to keep track of what I'm actually supposed to be pulling or not

can MDT / are there other addons that will automark mobs for me to pull based on pre-planned routes

[lusty grotto]

quazii routes are good for this

also this

[ashen harness]

what makes prot pop off so much, is it just their damage?

[sick merlin]

There are automarker weak auras that work well

[lusty grotto]

'pop off' in what sense

[lime spruce]

do they sync w/ MDT or do they have their own built-in routes

[ashen harness]

they're taking over the top keys atm

[lusty grotto]

they're?

do you mean we're

[jagged gust]

They just mark targets that have casts on mouseover generally

[ashen harness]

The warriors, they're taking over the top keys

[lusty grotto]

youre in warrior disc my friend

[jagged gust]

makes it easier for callouts with voice or a simple "I'll kick Star" in pugs

[mellow bridge]

they just mark important mobs either via mouse-over or via being in combat with them

if you want to, you can also customize them pretty easily

[lime spruce]

it's like the senator that forgot to switch to his alt account before tweeting like a black guy

[lusty grotto]

thats

kind of

racist

try again

[ashen harness]

so, what is making warriors take over this season?

[lusty grotto]

tier set

[warm plinth]

Aura

[lusty grotto]

but we will not be meta

youre misreading r.io

[neon elk]

How are we taking over anything tho , people are barely pushing and meta isnt decided yet

[mighty valley]

we do good damage so for now all concerns about "no utility" are gone

but yeah, it's early

soon people will remember that they can't do a +10 without their approved meta tank

[oak ivy]

Doesn't brew do more dam than us

[lusty grotto]

it does

and so does dotc

[heavy sparrow]

Lmfao

[neon elk]

Also ppal isnt realy far from what i heard

[lusty grotto]

in aoe? yeah its not far

[ashen harness]

looks like you will

[mighty valley]

join us

we have swag

[lusty grotto]

nope

we wont

have you missed other season by any chance?

[bleak breach]

We just dominate ST damage

Aoe most classes are pretty close

Meta will still be VDH because mages, Balance Druid and Warlocks exist

[ashen harness]

but... you are?

you went from 2% representation, to 29%, to 40% week over week.

thats not a trend that fizzles out

[bleak breach]

Currently top pick rate from m+ is VDH-Prot war-PPal

[lusty grotto]

are you not a warrior

why do you keep mentioning "us"?

[dusky canopy]

I was born a warrior nim

Smh

[bleak breach]

25% VDH
22.5% PWar
20.8% ppal

[ashen harness]

https://mythicstats.com/meta

[lusty grotto]

do you know how metas are formed?

[bleak breach]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/tank-rankings/mythic-plus/10/all-dungeons/this-week

[soft dragon]

hello sorry to bother again 4p but anyone knows how to see how many thunder blast proc i got ? and as a results, how many thunder blast i sitted on ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vFKjn2dHGZY4pAyr?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=2

[lusty grotto]

i hope you realize metas arent formed in the firs 2 weeks first and foremost

second of all

phys comps are NEVER meta

[dusky canopy]

NIM

[bleak breach]

They can be this tier though

[lusty grotto]

except in BFA of course

[dusky canopy]

Physical will be meta!

[lusty grotto]

not with SP

[ashen harness]

missleading. Look at the whole site during that time, the whole meta got shook up in 1 week. Thats class balancing

[bleak breach]

I think personally it will be a double meta

[lusty grotto]

not with SP the way it is right now

[dusky canopy]

SP making waves??

I haven’t even noticed

[mighty valley]

do you think they're gonna do no class balancing this season?

[lament osprey]

I blame everyone on ptr for not sandbagging enough

[solid sun]

This will be the first season there will be no meta

[shrewd grove]

Do you think they're going to do anything but nerf PWarr? Lmao

[solid sun]

Total free for all

And the public will just accept everyone

[ashen harness]

of course they will, but thats for another time...

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-hunger-games-mocking-jay-gif-306890344301460620

[bleak breach]

Where you get that? I don’t even know how to read that stuff lol

I just look at Archon

[ashen harness]

you dont look at this and go, ohh veng isnt meta, they might tune it any time now

[mighty valley]

that's from nalv's link, mythicstats.com/meta

[bleak breach]

Which part? The bit I looked at had 2 columns

[mighty valley]

no but we haven't had a post-race rebalance, dps meta is extremely open right now

[dusky canopy]

Vengeance will always be the meta tank as long as wizards are good, simple as that

[lunar flare]

everyone knows they look at the worst performing specs after wf and then nerf them

[bleak breach]

Oh that was S1

[solid sun]

Fuck wizards

[mighty valley]

and for us to stay meta, we'd have to not get nerfed, all other tanks would have to not get buffed, AND an attack power dps meta would have to form

[neon elk]

Screw meta and whatnot tell me if SP is sleeper op or what

[ashen harness]

Frost DK and Arcane mage looks fairly secured. last spot is still open

[bleak breach]

I think other tanks will get damage buffs if necessary

[lusty grotto]

are you blind

its SP

SP is secured

[ashen harness]

shadow priest?

[lusty grotto]

yes?

[ashen harness]

9% rep?

[solid sun]

Starting pitcher

[lusty grotto]

brother its week 2

[bleak breach]

Havoc blasting if you don’t have a VDH too

[neon elk]

Yea havocs are kinda nuts good st also

Or prio

[lusty grotto]

how are you analyzing meta without understanding comps

[ashen harness]

people swap to "the next meta" based on PTR speculation... week 2 is not far off from how it ends up, outside of class tuning

[lusty grotto]

do you realize SP is the funnel master?

wrong

once again

the meta does not start in the first week

the meta does not form in the 2nd week

[dusky canopy]

NIM I STG GO LOOT A TOME

[lusty grotto]

and the meta certainly does not form due to whats currently popular in the first two weeks

[bleak breach]

I mean we’ve got a pretty good idea of meta already

Just the same crap as normal plus warlock/spriest

[dusky canopy]

Sokrax that’s impossible

[bleak breach]

Then if you play PWar/brew slightly different

[bleak breach]

Whats impossible

[dusky canopy]

Knowing what the meta is for season 3

[lusty grotto]

i cannot think of anything more pointless

but alas

[neon elk]

Idc about meta im just glad that most specs are more than viable and comonly accepted

[bleak breach]

Yeah 100%

There’s not really much you can’t play

Well there’s never anything you can’t play

More not much that will just get flat out ignored in pugs

[neon elk]

Well aug is still considered trolling among most of pugs , and usualy like fury has it kinda rough

[ashen harness]

Im trying to stick to the "meta" mostly for other peoples familiarity. If people are used to seeing a certain tank, i wanna be on that tank so its not "different"

outside of prot pala / BDK, cba those classes

[frosty mango]

Fury isn’t troll and I don’t think people view it that way it’s just moreso it doesn’t bring anything

[lime mantle]

I believe.
WW, BM, Paladin/Druid heal, Rogue, Warrior tank.
Source? Source is my manufactured reality (I made it up).

[lusty grotto]

a melee comp needs: bshout, mystic touch, motw, thats 3 slots already taken, plus a funnel class which is likely rogue and you will 100% need skyfury

there's your phys meta

[mighty valley]

then i'd advise you spend the next few weeks gearing a pwarr, a vdh, and a brew, just in case

[lusty grotto]

what does a caster comp need?

[agile basin]

Not putting rsham is criminal

[lusty grotto]

AI, motw, chaos brand

2 slots free

plus theres like a million caster funnel classes

[bleak breach]

No, Shaman heal or MW for phys

[ashen harness]

i doubt brew will pop off

[lusty grotto]

plus SP in its current state exists

[bleak breach]

Shaman buff is op for phys

[neon elk]

Didnt meant to say fury is troll. Aug is considered troll by comunity fury just has it rough in pugs

[lime mantle]

I play with one and I have to bully him, even when he isn't present.
Please understand.

Can't have my friends thinking I care about them or something :^)

[frosty mango]

Pwar/rogue/feral/fdk/Rsham imo. I don’t think mystic touch is worth it over bres

[lusty grotto]

over a 2nd brez you mean

[frosty mango]

The 5% is nice but fdk brings 2nd bres plus grips plus tons of aoe burst

[bleak breach]

Hunter is a good pick into phys as well

[frosty mango]

You could flip Druid with ww in my
Comp but I think feral is just better

[bleak breach]

Shaman is nearly essential just for lust

Let alone the buff

[dusky canopy]

BRM/Rsham/war/outlaw/feral

[lime mantle]

Bres is only needed for when you mess up, and thus, aren't good.
Melee players are good thus we don't need extra bres we need more dps (so we can do more dps (and thus die less))

[dusky canopy]

That’s the physical comp

[frosty mango]

Like mystic touch is great but I don’t think it’s worth losing a second bres and grips

[solid sun]

I wish instead of a b.lust we could yell at people loud enough they could be b.rez’d

[lusty grotto]

but there's already 3 tanks with brezzes

[frosty mango]

The bres is bonus but grips are essential imo high keys

[dusky canopy]

BRM doing 7m overall theirs no way that isn’t the physical comp tank

[lime mantle]

Insult them until they get up out of shame.

[solid sun]

Yeah but none of them are pwar

[frosty mango]

Yea give us lust

[lusty grotto]

fuck em i dont wanna brez

[toxic pewter]

THATS ME

[lime mantle]

Solution is to give warrior the SoD grip.

[solid cargo]

Lust just thematically fits with the class lol

[frosty mango]

There’s no tanks with lust
Warrior needs utility
???
Serendipity

[lusty grotto]

i already have to waddle along to use my cables cause Timmy the mage cant press one of his 4 defensives

[bleak breach]

Na, PWar better

Stuff the monks

[lusty grotto]

uhh

no

[ashen harness]

brew has never been meta

[solid cargo]

I like BRM but grouping enemies is a lot more annoying on them.

[bleak breach]

They can go back into the hole they crawled out of

[frosty mango]

Brew has shit snap aggro and warriors are doing more overall dps because brew has to sacrifice tankiness to do that dps

Because they are full sending purify on dps

[lime mantle]

I wonder why Brewjj is shilling for BrM.

[frosty mango]

Brew isn’t doing 7m overalls in high keys because they’d get blasted

[dusky canopy]

[solid cargo]

TC/TB makes getting aggro when grouping not even an issue.

BRM is dogshit at initial threat

[stone moat]

Bro what

[solid cargo]

SCK is a fucking joke, its tragic

[frosty mango]

What do you mean what

If you wanna slam as a brew you are maximizing stomp which means you are sending purify to maximize dps

[stone moat]

They don’t even run that talent this season they run rjw

[dusky canopy]

Aye I know how it looks but I’ve actually had this name since cata as a brew (beer) enjoyer

[solid sun]

Special delivery is in the wowhead talent build. Not rjw

For both hero talents

[mellow bridge]

breathless moh runs rjw

[stone moat]

Thought literally everyone runs rjw

[mellow bridge]

you purify during angry dave for damage but angry dave covers a lot of the stagger so it kinda evens out anyways

[lime mantle]

I am keeping my eye on you, buddy. 👁️

[dusky canopy]

[mellow bridge]

and in high keys it's not like you have to send bad purifies to do big stomps as youre gonna have giga stagger anyways

[solid cargo]

I don't like that they dont take BoF rn. Its one of their iconic things imo.

[mellow bridge]

brew dmg scales very well into high keys when you have a lot of high stagger uptime

[stone moat]

Literally this

[mellow bridge]

ye because the wowhead talents are for beginners

doesnt run BoC either which is a must have

[solid cargo]

Itd be like us not using TC or some shit

[mellow bridge]

the advanced m+ build has rjw

[stone moat]

Worst case scenario you’re saving one charge for a big gai pen’s and you lose a tiny bit of damage

[solid sun]

The wowhead build I got doesn’t take breath or rjw and when I asked the brew discord about dead gcd’s it was mentioned there will be some gcd’s with nothing to do if you don’t take both. Which tells me people are not taking both breath and rjw

[mellow bridge]

i mean you can literally check the advanced build

you took the beginners build

[solid sun]

Because I wasn’t told I needed to take rjw if I don’t take breath

[ashen harness]

dont look at single builds, go to warcraftlogs instead and look at a key there

[mellow bridge]

you dont have to take rjw

[stone moat]

You don’t have to

[frosty mango]

You’re definitely not full sending purify on your burst bc you’re gonna get clapped on longer or rougher trash pulls, warrior (as thane) really has very little trade off bc your ip expenditure directly fuels outburst which is big for dps

[mellow bridge]

and especially if youre not good at brew, not taking rjw is probably the right choice

[bleak breach]

Battle shout has more effectiveness across more melee classes as well. Both tanks are good either way, just a PWar chat some I’m gonna trash brew and make us sound good.

[mellow bridge]

there is no full sending purifies or keeping them lol

[mellow bridge]

at high dmg income your purifies will naturally be high damage purifies anyways

[ashen harness]

14+ shadopan

[stone moat]

The fact you have two charges and 30+ secs of Dave means it’s not an issue actually ever

[mellow bridge]

the only thing you could argue for is using blackox brew for more dmg during nizzy

[lime mantle]

I bet you are also on the BrM chat slandering prot warriors.

[bleak breach]

Na, this is only class discord I’m in

Don’t see the point of going to one to talk about the other class

[lusty grotto]

lol

[mellow bridge]

personally i think if no tuning were to happen, brew would be the better "selfish" tank but prot has by far the better team utility

[ashen harness]

brew has never been meta, i doubt we begin now

[frosty mango]

Dunno I feel like once I hit 15ish I had to watch where I was purifying in some cases (especially dawnbreaker) or I’d need to focus on purify cdr to live

[lime mantle]

Prot being said to be the bigger utility class is such a wild thing to read.

[frosty mango]

Warrior you just smash shiny button do big dam

[bleak breach]

Had some good changes

[mellow bridge]

prot has basically the best aoe cc of all tanks

veng is even/slightly better depending on the situation

[bleak breach]

^

[ashen harness]

how? only upside is its instant, but they dont have more

[lusty grotto]

i dont think i agree with that statement

[lime mantle]

I know, but the usual complain is the lack of utility.

[lusty grotto]

since its heavily DR'd

but we're certainly second

[lime mantle]

Also thane has horrible cc compared to colossus

[lusty grotto]

also its not targetted

[frosty mango]

Disrupting shout is giga but war is all stuns and drs quickly

[lusty grotto]

Darkstomp is right

[stone moat]

The only 15s I’ve done were eco and streets but wasn’t an issue in either of those, no issue in 14s at all, but I run mud

[mellow bridge]

aoe stun dr is so irrelevant nowadays lol

[mighty valley]

i'm so sad to give up the knockup tbh

[azure crag]

is brand a good trinket for M+?
or is it too hard to maintain stacks in the dungeons?

[solid sun]

It’s great

[frosty mango]

Yes and no

[lusty grotto]

yes its S tier

[bleak breach]

Best trink in the game

[frosty mango]

It’s amazing and no the stacks are not hard to maintain

My group is finally back and we’re planning on getting to 16s by end of next week

Considering defensive trinkets, I’m strongly considering loomithar

Anyone have thoughts on that

[lusty grotto]

its good for group

otherwise eh

[frosty mango]

It’s pretty powerful as just a personal cd but a group cd would be pretty good imo

[lusty grotto]

embrace is probably the best personal one

[solid sun]

We have a mini bombsuit now

[lusty grotto]

with mud in DoT dungeons

well aside from nucleus but yea

[cerulean tusk]

Mud is how big this tier?

[frosty mango]

I am still a mud enjoyer

[lusty grotto]

mud is big cause floodgate still exists

and priory

hoa also has bleeds

but are not as often

i guess it depends

mud is only better if the cdr beats the cd on embrace

aka 1 min

<@&257983573498265600>

these fuckers are getting too consistent

dont get hacked

[bleak breach]

That was quick

[mighty valley]

death penalty for scammers imo (but only I get to decide what a scammer is)

[frosty mango]

I think mods are always watching

Mods are you always watching?

[cerulean tusk]

They ain't

[mighty valley]

if you're always watching, ban roidberg RIGHT NOW

[cerulean tusk]

Ya gave em a headache

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/go-do-it-yes-no-go-for-it-gif-17183104

[cerulean tusk]

Even if ya believe Santa is real and call foe his attention, ya won't get it

[regal yacht]

Kiratank says tome of devotion is not that good. What you think?

[oblique garnet]

No

[cerulean tusk]

Always late at answering their call

[frosty mango]

Living up to our expectations

[solid sun]

Tome is great

[lusty grotto]

kira has specific use cases for trinkets for his keys, so his perspective is centered around that and the highest of key levels. You would certainly not run tome on a 19 atm, but are you doing those keys?

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah i just got home from work and then i get pinged about someone falling for scam once again

[lusty grotto]

i dont take gearing advice from Kira, but i can say his logic is sound, for his own situation

[regal yacht]

No I'm doing 12s

[lusty grotto]

ok so in what world do you think kira would run brand + tome?

instead of brand + defensive trinket?

given that he does 17-18-19prog

[cerulean tusk]

Explain your logic then, Rat 🐁

[zenith aurora]

What’s he run brand + mud?

[lusty grotto]

my logic is that it makes sense he would not consider it good because of the keys he run, that's not a slot he can surrender to tome

but most of us here arent doing rank 1 keys

and tome IS the highest dps slot after brand

[cerulean tusk]

You repeated yourself

You didn't explain

[lusty grotto]

yes

it bears repeating

[cerulean tusk]

Rat is doing the debate bro thing, bro

[solid sun]

If Kira doesn’t have brand he could run tome

Idk what that noob has

[regal yacht]

He's objectively measuring to power of each trinket. Key level is not very relevant. He saying there are other trinkets that are better than tome in all aspects.

https://youtu.be/zyurkmWZWC0?si=Soc_gWiCsNHluWPE

[lusty grotto]

do you want me to tag him for you

[oblique garnet]

Why do you care what some random m+ basement nerd runs arent you good enough players to make your own judgement

[lusty grotto]

we can't explain someone else's logic

he does have a discord

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, that is a decent thumbnail

[harsh musk]

Dimensions trinket and cloak stacking is it just not worth it?

[lusty grotto]

only in the highest of keys probably

[solid sun]

I disagree with the notion that tome isn’t a top shelf trinket. Idk why you would listen to me instead of Kira

[lusty grotto]

im also not gonna watch that so

🤷‍♂️

is there a sim or something

[regal yacht]

K calm down just wondering

Won't ask you thoughts again

[lusty grotto]

im not upset here

Kira IS in this discord

you can ask him right off the bat

[stiff wagon]

What crafted items should I make for this patch? Should it be wep/shield/bracers?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

double clicky for you

[cloud solstice]

respectable

[solid sun]

Thanks

[cerulean tusk]

Tell rat in hat he wrong, so I can

[stiff wagon]

Thanks. I wish it was a pinned message 🙁 I checked there first.

[lusty grotto]

[spice iron]

I've yet to receive any myth track items, but I've crafted weapon + shield, and we might head into mythic this week. Is it a mistake to upgrade my hero track tome to 710, as I've also upgraded Brand to 710? Don't want to unnecessarily waste gilded crests, but I want to chase meaningful upgrades where possible

[split roost]

I'd personally full send on trinkets after weap/shield but I'm a casual Andy

[cerulean tusk]

Next week you gonna spend 60 to craft, so ya want to have some go over till next week to also upgrade the vault item

[bleak breach]

No

Weapon/shield over everything so fine to send

[lusty grotto]

i would say upgrade myth slots fully first

but

if you dont have any

you could

its probably the next best thing

[bleak breach]

No point assuming you’ll get them either

I wouldn’t 6/6 rings and armour yet but wep/shield and bis trinkets yep

[spice iron]

I do have a shield in vault that I might go for, but since I don't know if we'll take Loomithar or not I don't feel comfortable commiting in case a better shield drops from raid.
That's only 15 crests to send though, so it's not all that bad

[split roost]

Is your shield 720?

The crafted one

[spice iron]

Yeah this is my current gear. I sent crafts into weapon and shield last week.
Both my myth track vaults have been really lackluster, except for the shield this week

[bleak breach]

Never guaranteed to drop

[spice iron]

Yeah definitely. It's just to minimize the chance of a wasted vault pick

[bleak breach]

I’d send on tome and hold the rest for now

[cerulean tusk]

Holding vault shield feels iffy to myself, as ya could potentially take it and trade the drop shield to a healer for their upgrade
If you got no other shield users, sure. But holding? Nah, bad vibes

[split roost]

Ya I'd send trinkets, worst case you still have a 720 shield

[spice iron]

I did that with Brand last week, but with my luck of course two of them dropped in raid, so one went to the off-tank instead. I could've gone for a socket, or 15 crests save from a shit myth track trinket, so I got burned once from it

[cerulean tusk]

What do you mean instead? You got loot prio?
How is you getting a socket, better than both of you having brand

[spice iron]

Whoops, made it unclear by accident.
The Brand would've gone to both tanks, but since I picked my Brand before raid from the vault, one of the Brands instead went to a dps with an off-spec. So it helped out someone else for off-spec, which is good. But it didn't affect the main raid team for main specs in any way

I mean it's a really small thing, but it's just small optmiziations that I don't want to fumble from not thinking about it enough

[bleak breach]

Ahh yes, I see

[cerulean tusk]

that is better, as long ya not loot vault whoreing

[bleak breach]

It’s a tough one there

[cerulean tusk]

The number of ppl I seen that hide/obfuscate that they got the item already in their vault, to minmax their own loot, is one too many

[lusty grotto]

i agree with cat

[zenith aurora]

How is HM taz this week

[cerulean tusk]

Pretty ez to fail, pretty easy to do

[bleak breach]

Yeah it’s ridiculous

[spice iron]

I'd definitely want to go for the shield, and it does sim a little bit better than the Loomithar one, but I'm at the same time starting to mistrust my sims a little bit as it's starting to weigh mastery really heavy for me, even though I'm only currently at 19k haste. Either way I won't be able to equip it until next week - no matter the shield - because I got my embellishment on my crafted one, and I'd lose dps for a small survivability increase that doesn't matter as of right now

[lusty grotto]

shield sim though

you want ilvl

the stats are very minor

[spice iron]

Oh yeah no that's a rat bastard move that I definitely don't want to do

[cerulean tusk]

good

[lusty grotto]

but yeah either decision is fine

considering you're able to get it, but without prio idk

[past laurel]

what build do u use for speed farmin 7-10s?

[lusty grotto]

the vault key one

in wowhead

[spice iron]

Definitely. If we don't go into mythic this week, or the Loomithar shield doesn't drop, then I'd 100% go for the myth track shield in the vault. But if it's the other way around, then I could go for a socket or something of the like. It'd feel bad to gamble on being a good guy to get the shield to a shaman or something, only for like 4 of them to drop.
Again, small optimizations, but it's something

[cerulean tusk]

As long you make sure lootcouncil is aware that you are not on the need list

[spice iron]

Oh yeah definitely. I'm pretty sure the officers are simming us anyway, but I can't confirm that.
Either way I don't want to cheat anyone else out of their loot, but I don't want to shaft myself to rng either

[sharp gale]

As said by funky, if you have good dps, bosses dies really quick, but it is easy to fail

[cerulean tusk]

Last week bosses died before 2nd round of mechanics

[sharp gale]

You miss 1 kick on gambit first boss, everyone is dead, random swirlies usually kills ppl throughout the run, and the dragon.

[sharp gale]

I was amazed how it changed drastically from the first week, we killed every menagerie bosses before the next comes

[cerulean tusk]

We had the swirlywirlyy goblina overlap a few sec, but that was it

That week was so much easier than previous tho

[sharp gale]

I will do it tuesday, I will see

[cerulean tusk]

next week will maybe be before mechanics have done a rotation

[prime sphinx]

bosses are less hp than a +10 so just do 1 set of mechanics max and ur done

[azure crag]

Jeez, the brand does SO much damage

[chrome falcon]

16 AK down with 40 seconds left monka

[chrome falcon]

sheesh what ilvl

[azure crag]

only 704

only champion, not even heroic

or mythic

[chrome falcon]

one of the best tanking trinkets of recent years for sure

trying to remember what the last one was that was this good

[hexed fox]

Jeez brand is that good

[chrome falcon]

my hc one was 8% in AK 16

i'm so excited to get it on mythic it's gonna be nasty

[chrome falcon]

wait does the kick from those adds actually kill everyone

[hexed fox]

I'm mad that I got it on my now shelved DH instead of the war.

[chrome falcon]

oh wait you mean hardmode? yeah that shit is scary

[sharp gale]

in hardmode there is a new add, he spam cast, and if it pass, everyone is dead

[chrome falcon]

ya sorry i thought you were just talking about keys i should have read more

we did deathless HM last week and like

now i don't want to go again

too stressful

myth track gear will come eventually and won't give me high blood pressure

[sharp gale]

i succeded last week run, i was hearing my own heart on the last boss

first, because we let the star-soak explode alone / like in m+, you can't in hardmode, my face turned full white when i saw everyone with the debuff and some with 2 stacks

[keen obsidian]

Are there any quirks to simming the Tome? I read about it being really strong in M+ but it seems like Brand/Pacemaker do better.

[lusty grotto]

no

how are you simming

[sharp gale]

and then every of those star-bolty thing one shots, so it is scary asf

[chrome falcon]

my warlock was 15% hp with an add up his ass when hooktail died we all took 5 mins break after that to chill haha

[keen obsidian]

Patchwerk 5 bosses 5 minutes

[sharp gale]

OH YES THE DRAGON

[lusty grotto]

for brand yea?

[keen obsidian]

Yea

[sharp gale]

FUCKING HUNTER was facetanking an add WITH the dispel, los from healer

[lusty grotto]

so basically .6% isnt much

but its due to being aoe

its worth it for the key

just because of bosses

[keen obsidian]

I was thinking the 1.5% for using Brand + Pacemaker instead of Tome at all

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna be in a scenario where youre only in aoe in keys

[keen obsidian]

true

[lusty grotto]

tome is better

but pace isnt far off as you can see

[quaint rune]

yall switching to crit in the reshii wraps? im currently at 26000 haste

?

[lusty grotto]

you could

at that point

[keen obsidian]

Thanks for the input

[lusty grotto]

but i suggest simming for the swap

very likely mastery will be on top

[bleak breach]

Tome makes up time on bosses and mini bosses

[quaint rune]

okay ill sim it, thanks for the heads up

[keen obsidian]

Thinking Tome + Brand as well over Tome + Pacemaker?

[bleak breach]

Plus the big crit and armour proc on essentially every pull from the on use activates adds a bit of pewpew

[lusty grotto]

you never replace brand

[keen obsidian]

Makes sense, it seems friggin insane

[bleak breach]

Brand is all situations, Tome and a defensive option or Antenna would be other trinks

[lusty grotto]

nah brand + defensive

for defensive option

[keen obsidian]

Its best to keep Tome on offense I thought? Or am I reading what you mean wrong.

[lusty grotto]

you keep brand in all cases

you swap tome for a defensive one

[bleak breach]

Yes sorry, how I typed it wasn’t worded correctly

[candid escarp]

I think you want tome on crit as much as possible

[bleak breach]

I meant brand + either Tome, antenna or defensive option

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[keen obsidian]

gotcha x3

[lusty grotto]

not what he asked

[candid escarp]

Yea got the wrong msg

[lusty grotto]

nw

[chrome falcon]

what's even the defensive option this time

just mud gang?

[lusty grotto]

youre right, its just not his question

[bleak breach]

Mud

[chrome falcon]

raid trinkets are awful

[candid escarp]

Wanted reply to #protection message

[lusty grotto]

embrace, mud, nucleus

[chrome falcon]

what's embrace

[keen obsidian]

I appreciate the additonal info about Tome too

[chrome falcon]

soulbinders?

that trinket is like illegally bad no?

[bleak breach]

The trink off dimensius seems okay? Idk

[chrome falcon]

4.6m absord is 25% of my hp and that's mythic

it's like an ignore pain on a 1 min CD

i miss bombsuit.....

[candid escarp]

Only valid def trinket is mud tbh

[chrome falcon]

i've never used mud

is it better in some dungeons vs others

[bleak breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=1235500/all-devouring-nucleus

[chrome falcon]

or just.... the only option so you equip it if you need it

[lusty grotto]

yes

[chrome falcon]

i think if you ever equip this trinket you are trolling but maybe im an asshole

[candid escarp]

Mud in flood is bis

Constant dots shorten the cd so much you have basically every minute

[bleak breach]

Mud was so good in Cinderbrew too

[keen obsidian]

https://wago.io/Bn9mwPxCC Do we agree with the logic on this Tome weak aura?

[lusty grotto]

and prioryu

[quaint rune]

i thought forsure codex would be a thing, this patch

[chrome falcon]

like i think the dimensius trinket might be the worst cheat death ever

codex is the worst trinket in the game never speak its name

[bleak breach]

I did priory on a 12 yesterday and could definitely notice the dot haha

[chrome falcon]

wash out your mouth

[bleak breach]

Once I do a 14+ I’m gonna be fighting for my life

[chrome falcon]

nahhhh 14s are chill

[quaint rune]

ahhahahah okay okay no trinket that shall not be named

[chrome falcon]

just tell your group to BL miniboss at the end

[bleak breach]

If we have lust we do roaming pat into mini boss

No lust just mini boss with priests

Depends how quick we going

[chrome falcon]

and first boss you just alternate shield wall and demo shout + IV and it's pretty ok

a little scared to go back in on 17 tho

[bleak breach]

You already on 17s?

[chrome falcon]

ish

[hardy snow]

Hey guys, I have question regarding deflecting tankbuster on Soulbinder. Should it be used on last hit, to deflect strongest hit, or it won't work by then and must be used prior he starts slashing to deflect first hit and get less stacks overall?

[chrome falcon]

i just press it insta

to have 20% magic DR for the whole slam

spell reflect + shield wall + shield block and it should be pretty much irrelevant unless you're tanking 2 in a row

[hardy snow]

thanks, I've forgot about that

[chrome falcon]

just make sure you're generating/spending enough rage to shield wall every time and spell reflect timing is kinda not important

[hardy snow]

Yeah, I've died on our kill tonight (despite having SW, but SR was used too early and didnt last till end), so I just wanna ensure it won't happen on rekill next week

[bleak breach]

Is that mythic Jawor?

[hardy snow]

yea

[chrome falcon]

if you're tanking it when the boss just lashes you from 40 yards away

just call external

that's what i did at that point

or just run battle-scarred veteran

it's bad for your dps but imo in raid it's never worth more dps to die and troll your raid

[bleak breach]

BSV is always a good life saver for prog

[chrome falcon]

it's like

[bleak breach]

Can’t do dps when you’re dead

[hardy snow]

yeah, I didn't expect it to hit that hard when far away

[chrome falcon]

impossible to die with BSV on most bosses

yeah

it's really fucking cringe

boss just afks in china and 1 shots you

if you run in your dps cry because bad positioning so

just slam CDs and call externals and be sad

🙂

[azure crag]

watching my stacks of brand slowly tick off
GIVES ME ANXIETY.

but it does so much fuckin' damage, it's worth the minor panic every time I leave combat for .05 seconds

[warm plinth]

what is the go-to M+ addon atm? For timer and such?

[solid sun]

I use warpdeplete

Idk if it’s the “go to” as I see a lot of people use that m+ timer weakaura but I like it

[warm plinth]

this one right

[hardy snow]

Im using this one, its M+ Timer WA https://wago.io/M+Timer

in the past it had sometimes issues with counting mobs or times, but its well fixed nowadays

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's the one I used for a long time, but wasn't sure if it was still updated or not

Just been using the default one but I liked having e.g. the count in the tooltip and such

[hardy snow]

last update was in June, but works fine

[azure crag]

Man.
Man, prot warrior is busted.

[warm plinth]

Why are you yelling at us

[azure crag]

I'm not yelling!
I'm speaking
With emphasis

[warm plinth]

emphasis?

[azure crag]

Emphasis

[warm plinth]

Like big ole fat emphasis?

[azure crag]

-# Sometimes small emphasis

[warm plinth]

Well played

[lusty grotto]

shearchip finally has 4pc

684 shoulders still though lmao

poor lil babby dh

[warm plinth]

Proud of you

[solid sun]

How do you do tiny emphasis

-# Sometimes small emphasis

Ha I hackermans’d your message

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[solid sun]

I tried to do it myself and failed so I gotta copy and paste this wizard every time I wanna do it

[azure crag]

just put -# in front of your message. And to make the italics, just put a * at the start and end of the sentence

[solid sun]

-#hello

Nope

I feel lied to

I’m leaving it there to sulk in shame

[past laurel]

-# LIKES THIS!!

I CAN DO IT YOU CAN TO

[pallid quiver]

The asterisks are part of it, as well

[past laurel]

-#

it makes look like

this

with *

-# this makes it

[solid sun]

-#like this?

lol

[past laurel]

space bettween word

and it

[solid sun]

-# does it need a space

[past laurel]

yeah

😄

[solid sun]

Heck yeah look at y’all go

[pallid quiver]

Other notable marks are strikethrough, done with encasing phrases in ~~

So if you type ~~this out without escaping~~, it'll show up like this

[past laurel]

MORE

[frosty mango]

Or

|| this one. ||

|| @solid sun smells ||

[solid sun]

That might be true, but I do a good job brushing my teeth @frosty mango

[ocean iron]

20 priories in now lads still no trinket

[languid nova]

what u think for M+ guys, Execute procs. or ravager :3?

[lone current]

full execute talents (without sudden death) and whirling blade, not rav

[languid nova]

u have the build? :D?

[lone current]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVBRFUgYVIpRUBBNVUVFRFEGVUVFRCUAEFVVUCAQ

[toxic pewter]

why am I seeing the word ravager in 2025

Wat in the world

[languid nova]

hahaha

[trim delta]

Now that we're back on Mountain Thane, I feel like I have SOOOOO many resources and procs, and not enough globals to fit them all. Is everyone feeling like that?

[azure crag]

Oh yeah, there are definitely times where I'm just screaming at my procs and overflowing rage to go away

And the irony of hitting all those procs and rage giving you more procs and more rage

[trim delta]

For realllll man. It's nuts

[undone beacon]

Another heroic soul hunters, another lack of brand drop

Sigh

[last scarab]

bro anyone have any tips to getting better at shieldblocking LMAO im at 76% i feel like im constantly wasting rage trying to revenge

[azure crag]

I often wonder why the heroic call to arms pops at all.
Why are people still running heroics?
I mean, I appreciate it, cause free augment runes and gold.
But still, I don't understand why people are still running heroics

[dim token]

Can we block during idol channel?

[frosty mango]

No

[frosty mango]

Are you thane or colossus

[last scarab]

Thane

[dim token]

Oh In reading thr guide saying it'd bis in m+ in a way,if it isn't for the channel

[frosty mango]

Stop pressing revenge

[dim token]

Thinking of picking it up in my vault 🐭

[azure crag]

It's a strong trinket. But you do gotta be careful not to get murdered during it

[frosty mango]

You’re not pressing revenge often as thane and certainly not enough to burn rage

If your shield block uptime is low it’s either you dont have enough haste or you’re not pressing your buttons

If you have a log we could tell you which but given you’re trying to burn rage on revenge as thane I’d suggest you read the wowhead guide in the pins, it will help a lot

[last scarab]

no its low because i keep missing it, i have a hard time concentrating on both shield block and not to over rage and when i have no cds pressing revenge etc etc

[frosty mango]

You should be spending most of your excess rage on ignore pain as it’s off
Global

Revenge you only press when you can’t press shield slam, execute, or thunder clap

Which is almost never

[dim token]

I guess I'll pick it up anyways worst case it's bis for dps specs

[frosty mango]

Shield block you just press when it’s falling off

[frosty mango]

Unless you’re in a niche situation just shield wall and press it

99% of the time you’ll be fine

[serene galleon]

how bizarre. sims are telling me to move out of haste/crit and into mastery now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/objArZyRgE95m4VAuNtrzK

[frosty mango]

Not bizarre that’s expected as we reach this amount of stats

[serene galleon]

i think its worth leaving the haste crit where they are given their defensive value. currently progging myth loomithar. thoughts?

both are currently 10% dr

[mighty valley]

there's ravager and auto ravager. right now we take auto ravager

[mighty valley]

It barely matters when you're just switching gems around

[azure crag]

man. I can't imagine playing warrior and not being a blacksmith that can fix shields.
I swear to gosh darn, this stupid shield is 70% of my repair costs

or it would be if I couldn't repair it myself

[tranquil thunder]

flood sucks help me

[heavy sparrow]

I'm out here with enchanting and tailoring

I keep ripping my pants

[heavy sparrow]

Are you a Crocs guy

[undone beacon]

flood is great you are a crazy person sorry

[half loom]

This may be a dumb question, but is having avoidance on gear as a warrior bad ?

[undone beacon]

Not bad, but not sought after

[half loom]

I figured it was counter intuitive so figured i'd ask

[undone beacon]

Sockets (when applicable) >>> Leech > Speed > Avoidance

It’s DR on AOE damage which is never really a threat for tanks

It’s better for heals and dps

[half loom]

Right, just reinforcing what I thought, but wanted to be sure. Thank you 🙂

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[tulip pumice]

HoA is kicking me in the balls on +14, are people just not kicking enough?

feels like an interupt check and the key is a walk in the park?

[solid sun]

Hoa sucks at a few points imo

Second boss sucks, third boss hurts, lots of bolts, ankle biters, the amount of stuff that needs to be killed

The miniboss before the last boss takes forever

[merry canyon]

Newbie question, do I still need to swap my fury gear to prot gear if I'm just doing mythic +8 - +10? Or just swapping the weapons and trinkets is suffice?

[azure crag]

Most dps and tank gear is pretty interchangeable, even trinkets. All you really need is a good shield and one hander and you're golden

That's true of most tanks, to be fair

[mortal cypress]

Bears don't have hands to hold a shield

[rough egret]

does this thing consume after use? or its permanent item to use?

also does the discount apply ony to crafted items only or all armors in that slot?

[frosty mango]

Hoa is very dependent on kicks

Also route is pretty impactful there

I usually finish that shithole with like 60+ kicks

And that’s with competent players

Me and hoa - not friends

[azure crag]

not the SHIELD part, ya goofy goober.
But the part about tank and dps gear being mostly interchangeable

[rough egret]

most important kicks are on the houndmasters anyway

[frosty mango]

The wicked bolts are also very important because they start one shotting people around 15

[azure crag]

I know there's gonna come a part where the hounds getting enraged will kill me.
But at least up to level 10 with guildies carrying our tinier members through to get myth gear for the week, those enrages going off don't even hurt me

but those bolts will just end someone's life randomly

[frosty mango]

as long as the hounds arent enraged twice, youre ok

throw a wall up and youre good

can I join this guild because I feel like I belong here

[mighty valley]

be thankful, those bolts all used to come at us

[slim chasm]

we in boys 💃

[azure crag]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure if this is better or not.

If they WERE only targeted at tanks, they would definitely triple the damage they do. But them being able to target anyone means that just
outta nowhere, somebody will just die if we miss an interrupt or the healer isn't on the ball or no defensives are getting used.

I feel like there's been a lot of that this season; casters who entirely ignore the tank and just take pot shots at the party

HoA, Eco dome, Tazavesh, both gambit and Streets, Floodgate, Dawnbreaker, priory

[mighty valley]

we also didn’t have disrupting shout, the spell reflect dr went away after reflecting a spell, generally weaker in a hundred other tiny ways

didn’t have spell block… wait a sec

[azure crag]

Disrupting shout has been getting a lot of use from me. So many dungeons have random target casts that will kill people if uninterrupted

....Oh yeah, and Ara Kara.
Ara kara also has random bolt casters

That's every single dungeon, geez

Season of the random bolt casters

[rough egret]

704 belt sims higher than delves belt

[errant wagon]

Is this a pretty solid tank trinket for us this season? 1minute is pretty dope and it sounds like it has the same IP pairing combo that bombsuit did last season

[lofty glen]

its okay

[frosty wave]

What's the recommended crit to have ?

[lofty glen]

if it works for you sure but you dont need deff trinked

[light carbon]

can u avatar pre key?

[frosty wave]

I am currently sitting at like 25k haste 15k Vers and 11/12k crit

[lofty glen]

no

[frosty wave]

No every buff are removed pre key now even DH transform

[light carbon]

really?

i thought dh still worked

[errant wagon]

yea i was just experimenting with it pushing into some 15-16 keys now and felt like a nice little extra def wouldn't hurt. Seemed decent enough.

[frosty wave]

I don't think so, from what I've read they removed everything you could last stand before and it doesn't work now

[frosty wave]

Nucleus might be more efficient? Maybe ? Idk

[lofty glen]

well you normaly have 100 stacks ip and sb 100% uptime warry is kinda immorta right now

[frosty wave]

Normally and this I disagree even on very high keys Kira, pika, Yoda don't have that they sit around 80/90% not much more

[lofty glen]

and for this you have shild wall

and you spam demo shout

[errant wagon]

yea i mean i even on my bests keys 85% is like the best i've ever done

[lofty glen]

you cant die

every time a key depletes its dps issue in my groups. never tank or heal XD

[frosty wave]

Yeah same I have between 88 and 90% on all keys, I'm playing 13 rn

[little lark]

same for me, also has a socket on it tho

[frosty wave]

We craft 720 belt next week anyway no ?

[lofty glen]

i will do 😄

[frosty wave]

I did shield and bracers because I have myth weap

Will do belt next

[little lark]

i probably wont, got embells on shield and wrist (didnt drop a mythic shield yet)
And my jewellery slots suck balls, cba running streets 15 times to see 5 ppl looting the ring and not being able to trade

[frosty wave]

I have the haste/vers ring from I don't remember where and the Crit/haste ring from DB
I lack trinkets I'm running like nucleus and soleah iirc

[lofty glen]

how good is dimensius ring? got it on camp

[little lark]

no idea, probably fine in raid but not sure where there is cosmic damage elsewhere

[jagged pier]

Its not worth what sims better than it

[frosty wave]

What sims are you running ? 6 bosses 1min30 and 1 boss 5 min's ?

[lofty glen]

i do 5 - 5 for dungeon

[jagged pier]

I only run st, because our ST is more important, and what sims best for st usually ither is the best for aoe anyway/ very close to our best aoe stuff

But if u really want to sim

Its st 3,5 mins for raid.
For m+ its 1,3,5 targets at 1, 1:30 and 3 mins (so all those targets at all those minute counts)

[lofty glen]

if we dont have a roge in grup. do we 100% chainpull if we have brand?

[frosty mango]

No

The stacks drop at a rate of one per 3 seconds so pulling normally will keep it mostly stacked already

You’re rarely out of combat longer than 3/5 seconds

[lofty glen]

and why not chain pulling? makes no difference then no?

[swift veldt]

Well, ive seen here before someone mentioning revenge in thane. Sadly i was going off and well i lost IT as i'm back now. Do pretty much in keys we can unbind it so we dont waste rage?

[neon elk]

U still revenge time to time as thane, just not as much as colo

[lofty glen]

i did unbinde cause i think its useless. IP more importatnt and my heal does more dmg then

using it only on proc

[neon elk]

Still worth using to fish for resets

[swift veldt]

Im trying to bind myself properly. Today after i finish hopefully salhadar and dimensius hc i will reset my ui, all keybinds and im trying to make priority list in my head. Then i will keep revenge but lets say on side keybinds lul. Thanks tho, any other things from all war skills that we actually dont press?

[lone current]

You still need revenge as thane, its just low prio on the rotation list

[frosty wave]

I just changed my binds yesterday and it changed the world to me
Having one extra bind as Colo fucks me up tbh but I still need some further testing
Went from 70% uptime on block and 60% on IP to 90% on both
I managed to have revenge on a bind I often use and is not far which is G
I really like the spell and it does apply a dot so it's good for reset and a bit of extra dmg

If you want less keybond you can do a macro charge/victory rush/impending victory
You don't use charge on melee and you don't use victory as range

[frigid plume]

when i went from colossus to thane i just swapped my revenge and thunder clap keybinds lol

[swift veldt]

Yeeeeah, ive Tried shield slam + IP Marco on mouse along shield block but its doesnt click for me for example

[frosty wave]

This is more for proc usage
When I started playing war I did a macro clap/SB that was helpful

[frosty wave]

Yeah but demolish is an extra important and you swap a spender with a builder so it can fuck you up

I realized yesterday that having an important spell like IP on Mouse wheel doesn't help me I like doing some kind of 1,2,3 rotation

[swift veldt]

Im so glad ravager can be passive now, 1 more button and id go nuts lmfao

[frosty wave]

Yeah this is cool

[swift veldt]

Exacly my thoughts. That's why today is the day i bring macro that wipes all keybinds to the table

And i need to get rid of charge on keybind 1 cause i almost killed myself milion times with panic button charge and leaving my back to ten mobs

[merry canyon]

Dayum -- highly appreciate for this man!

[spark cedar]

Permanent free repair for what you specced in

[daring dust]

In hoa, is it a problem if loyal beasts go off? Never felt they do anything so making sure

They only auto attack right

[neon elk]

Not a big issue if its just one

One cast that goes off*

[frosty wave]

They cast a big bleed you can still kite but loyal beasts increases their AS

And immune to CC

[swift veldt]

Wont they 1tap us on really high keys?

[frosty wave]

Probably unless you dwarf

[swift veldt]

When i was gearing loyal beast went off and i got eaten in second on +10

[winter marlin]

Yeah loyal beasts is brutal for real it’s pretty much the only int for those pulls tho except siphon life

It’s an enrage I’m pretty sure which makes the gorgons immune to regular cc

[daring dust]

Hm okay so actually important to interrupt it in higher keys then, cus ive been farming hoa 10 for some legs and legit every loyal beasts have gone off, and my hp doesnt move even slightly

Like they're not even hitting me

[winter marlin]

Prolly your healer

And good gameplay

Remove either and you’ll feel it

[daring dust]

He healed me a total of 40m last dungeon xd

Guess just overgeared for 10 then

[winter marlin]

That or someone else

Filling his shoes lol

[daring dust]

Was just starting to wonder if shield block just made gorgons non existant

[neon elk]

Yea they do pretty much nothing compared to what they used to do in sl , and ine cast going off isnt that big of an issue on most keys

[lofty glen]

is this for player like the flamethrower in brew?

[sharp merlin]

on Higher keys for Halls, do you not take the right side towards the Stoneborn Eviscerator because of the Hurl?

[blazing ridge]

he only healed you for 40m during the whole dungeon?

[short nest]

hey friends, this is might pinged somewhere but i cant find. is there a custom string for raidbots to sim in def stance?

[topaz verge]

People who are tanking keys - are you getting melee’d by mobs that are out of interupt range?

[green trench]

Is it worth changing from S2 4-set to a mix of S3 2-set + S2 2-set or should i wait for 4 set to change all?

[ancient ore]

2/2

[green trench]

Thank you 🙂

[ancient ore]

Always shield (unless craft then it is second prior), weapon, trinkets then tier pieces. Of course if it is BiS vs non BiS it might be worth it for BiS if you are only farming 10s

[neon tide]

hey late night friends. i have a quick question. when im in my group doing dungeons my tclap with 4 piece seems to be either lagging or haste is just too high to keep up and have to slam it again and again. is this normal? does that mean i have too much haste?

[short nest]

why would u pick a shield first? do dmg, if u dont life smth its not because of a higher or lower shield

[neon tide]

someone told me shiled bc its just survivability and negates more dmg

and i trusted them ( from here )

[cerulean tusk]

Shield is your best defensive upgrade, it is the most impactful. You can remove 70% of your gear, and the shield alone will keep you alive

Not to mention shield grants a lot of mainstat through armor

Shield first is always the go

[jagged pier]

Thats just how the spec plays, its fast

[neon tide]

so just keep spamming tclap at that point

[torpid dome]

12x prio, never seen a trink 🙁

ah well we push a normal raid to see if I can get an ire lmao

[jagged pier]

If u have 2 chsrges of thunderblast, u press it if

If u have 1 or less and ss is off cd u press ss instead

[lunar flare]

Ah yes because if it’s night in the US it’s night everywhere else

9am gang!!!

[elfin cosmos]

Should i track Violent Outburst talent and try to use it with thunder blast procs for maximum dps ?

[rough egret]

you should track it yes, there is a rule when to use which spell for maximum dmg

[wispy moth]

weapon

[wispy moth]

Track it and spend it with SS in ST and TB with 4+ targets

[high latch]

I think it's 3+ targets for TB, but yeah, tracking it is ideal

[jagged pier]

3-4 depends on if u need rage or not

2 targets if its tier buffed tb tho

[high latch]

Ah ok

[torpid dome]

lmao 4th week is this for the raid right? never seen the ire drop once in 3 tiers of weekly clears XD

[hushed crater]

is shield craft a safe bet and if so what embelishment

[rough egret]

3rd

[high latch]

Unless you expect to get a myth shield very soon, it's the best thing to craft. Dawnthread or Duskthread lining.

[hushed crater]

awesome ty

Rest of the crafts just fill gear slots i need or something else specific? WoWhead says belt and wrists

[high latch]

Our embellishment slots are ideally belt and bracers, assuming you get myth track everything else from other sources. But aside from that idea, you should probably just replace your weakest pieces.

Boots can be good if you don't raid so you can't get the extra cloak procs.

[rigid hull]

seaforium or tome for overall m+ damage?

[torpid dome]

pacemaker for aoe dmg, tome for prio dmg

[high latch]

Pacemaker does more AoE, but Tome gives so much ST/prio damage that it's very valuable regardless.

[shy python]

Can we macro IP into TC when playing Thane to reduce button smashing?

[high latch]

You can but I'm pretty sure you'd run out of rage so you can't execute and stuff.

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-don't-do-that-aaliyah-upshaw-the-upshaws-please-stop-that-gif-13465967364334513495

[hardy snow]

That's bad idea to macro IP into any skill.

[shy python]

Well okay sigh

[shy python]

Nice profile pic 👍😏

[lunar flower]

how does the skip before 2nd boss in ara kara work? when you leap over, does the rest of the party get ported over or they need to do smth similar?

[torpid dome]

not the trinket I wanted, but for now I'll take it lmao

[still lintel]

They get pulled in.

[torpid dome]

The pack is free tho right, so why wanna skip anyways?

[sharp merlin]

Bruh that’s the best trinket ever

[mellow bridge]

A few seconds after you pulling the boss, they get ported into the middle of the room

Be careful to not aim the frontal right on that spot :)

[torpid dome]

Nah, wanted the pacemaker

Ritual mud is decent defensive trinket, but we honsetly want offwnsive trinks

[sharp merlin]

Maybe my playstyle

but I quite like having an emergency button

[torpid dome]

Thats true

[sharp merlin]

especially doing the higher keys this early into the season lol, and I refuse to go Dwarf

[torpid dome]

Espec on some big pulls and stuff

[lofty glen]

Normale thats calles cheapdeath

[sharp merlin]

It looks ridiculous with my Thunderfury and Shield combo

[severe wadi]

is this trinket any good for m+

[fair beacon]

got renown 18, is the perma augment rune actually worth the 100k price tag?!

prot-wise 🙂

[still lintel]

Depends on how much 100k is to you and what content you do, it's a fair amount of strength.

[rough egret]

if you have spare 100k then why not

[slender bison]

It's basically strength you get from the armour specialization talent

[sharp merlin]

For a sec I thought you said you got resi 18

I was like..

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[cobalt hinge]

Hello Guys. I need you for my weekly vault decision.
I got Ritual mud, Seaforium pacemaker, and Sacbrood at once.
Simc tells me Seaforium pacemaker and Sacbrood differs in only 0.02M DPS (on 5 target)
Any advices can you give? Thanks in advance and sorry for my short english.

[lofty glen]

pacemaker

[cobalt hinge]

With respect, Can I ask you why?

[lofty glen]

@cobalt hinge

[native ember]

yea gotta send floodgates as arms or fury so u just got pacemaker in trinket slot

[lofty glen]

if you need a deff trinked take mud but pace will be the best over all

[lofty glen]

and then forget to change back to prot when open vault like me.... got 3 2h wepps

[keen shadow]

Which weapon should i craft at prot war? Does it matter if its an axe, mace or sword?

[lofty glen]

doesnt matter only building costs

[native ember]

damn that sucks yea i always make sure to check my shit before i open i usually open on my alt first incase im slipping

[keen shadow]

But when placing a crafting order, axes show other damage stats than the rest 😅

[cobalt hinge]

Gracias, I decided to pick pacemaker. luck on you sir.

[native ember]

my vaults have been complete trash just rings i did get bis ring from streets but it is what it is praying for tome so i can just send my vaults as arms

[lofty glen]

pls show Oo

if it realy is different then sim it tbh

[keen shadow]

Charged slicer says 2374-4932 dmg
Mace says 3195-4110
Sword says 2739-4567

Damage per second is the same for all, just the range is different

[lofty glen]

dps is the importance

[keen shadow]

Ok ye ur right, just simmed all 3, slicer is 0,1% better but thats it

[lofty glen]

dps = wep dmg compared to speed

[keen shadow]

Ty

[worldly crown]

Is indominable (extra stamina and rage -> hp healing) resonable to take when running in pugs with unreliable healers? Or is it trash?

I recall it used to be the main source of warrior sustainability?

[fathom chasm]

how good is instigate talent for m+

[strange lintel]

anyone messed around with this ?

ik its probly garb and w.e but i just got it from a delve...? figured it was worth asking

[pastel geyser]

the fk is this bloodborne ref trinket lol

[ionic nimbus]

It’s rly trash

[worldly crown]

Like omega giga giga trash?

100 rage for 5% HP didn't seem that bad? I guess normal rage generation is about ~60 rage per second in a normal M+ pull? So that would be 3% HP/second regen?

[ionic nimbus]

The amount of healing you get is not worth. In the past the overall healing part of indom ranged between 5-10% of your healing

[undone beacon]

It used to be really strong and then was halved in effectiveness, there’s better talents to put the point into

[shy python]

It's roughly a +0.1% dmg

[ionic nimbus]

It’s just small heals, nothing against dmg spikes that are dangerous

[worldly crown]

Ahh that's a shame, ok thanks. Having healers die on me in weekly +10s and my self-regen is very low compared to VDH

[undone beacon]

Yeah prot warr is not known for big self heals but if you get low you can fall back on last stand, health pots, and impending victory

[ionic nimbus]

When you lign up your def cds to the right moments (bleeds and magic dam income) you should be able to stay alive by passive healing in the most keys

[lofty glen]

thats the point. you are not a vdh. keep your SB up as much as you can and spam ip to 100 (dont overcap rage) i can easyly surviva a bigpull in 12+ for like 2 minutes with my cds

[ionic nimbus]

Normally a bad heal kills the group and the tank is standing alone

[worldly crown]

But without something like Indominable, I am overcapping my Ignore Pain max cap, but still my HP is going down. So was thinking maybe this could keep it level until the healer runs back

Also a nice benefit (as well as CDR reduction) for spending rage when overcapped on IP

[lofty glen]

better overcapp ip then rage. you can spendit also in revenge

[ionic nimbus]

Spending rage means stacking outbursts which leads to big thunderblasts brrrrrr

[lofty glen]

means doing big bonk and big bonk nicer than timing a key hehe

[ionic nimbus]

Zugzug thane is very enjoyable atm

[lofty glen]

https://tenor.com/view/zenitsu-thunderclap-gif-3587070417580920822

[wispy moth]

I'm only renown 12, how did you manage to get that far so quickly ? Oo

[jagged pier]

Its in every m+, it should always be run

[jagged pier]

We dont care about overcapping ip

U spend the rage to cycle avatar and sw cooldown

Doesnt matter if your ip stays at max or not

[daring dust]

Yeah, both 710 so pretty geared

He's just dpsing the whole key

[arctic marten]

Am I reading the log correctly? Demoralizing Shout reduces unmitigated damage from 26,556,428 to 24,896,653, which is only about 6.24% damage reduction?

[blazing ridge]

Would like to see a log for this, honestly I dont know how could you take so less dmg, I mean I dont feel threatened at any point in a HoA 10 but 40m heal is nothing xdd

[lofty glen]

40m is 2,5 times my lifepool

[blazing ridge]

Which means he must be full HP literally all dungeon

[lofty glen]

Yes or he is the new blood dk

[blazing ridge]

Maybe col?

[warm plinth]

Mitigation doesn't change unmitigated damage. That's why it's called unmitigated damage.

[vagrant void]

hi everyone, can someone explain me what are the best stat for Prot warrior, im going for haste - crit but i dont wanna overcap something, there is a softcap or something that i have to watch or just go full hast/crit?

[rich solar]

use me als an example of what not to do:

[warm plinth]

If you were to hit 39% haste (from rating, not total), you would probably want to focus on something else where possible (but not actively avoid it).

[vagrant void]

im at 38.6 so now i have to go for crit

[sour raven]

703 equipped alt - Is it just better to keep farming 10s to get my S3 equivelant of the highlighted ones? Or could I, just for ilvl/stats use any of the ones in my inventory? ❤️

[warm plinth]

From rating? What's your rating?

[vagrant void]

thats my situation

[warm plinth]

Sim it. I'm sure something in there will outsim trinkets that low. At least the 658 one.

[warm plinth]

Then you're fine. You don't have 39% from rating.

38.6 is not from rating

[vagrant void]

oh ok, so where should i check it? (sorry im noob in that things)

[warm plinth]

See where it says 22177 next to haste?

When that starts to go over 26400, you can start to chase other stats

[vagrant void]

ooh thanks

super thanks 😄

[arctic marten]

Sorry, could you explain these numbers? With Spell Reflection, I take 10.4m, but with Shield Wall + Demoralizing Shout, I take 8.9m. How is that possible, when Demoralizing Shout is 25% damage reduction?

[torpid dome]

finally pacemaker 😄

[warm plinth]

Can you dm me or post the log? Easier to look at on pc. Can't use discord on work pc

[warm plinth]

Grats

[undone beacon]

Raid had me play fury last night for heroic reclear

Was not fun at all lol

I missed my shield

[warm plinth]

Poor Pash

At least you didn't have to play arms though

[toxic pewter]

just did first /abandon actually pretty cool how it teleports you out of instance haha

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's like no take backsies!

[toxic pewter]

ya it just is what it is was and less toxic than it could of gone

healer was like 'i cant do this' i did /abandon and everyone even said gg and stuff lmao

usually would flame healer into oblivion

[warm plinth]

We should 100% normalize people being able to just say they can't do it without being flamed tbh. They'd admit it faster and people could save a lot of time

[toxic pewter]

yah it was clear he was having trouble

just how it goes sometimes

[warm plinth]

My one abandon was a similar issue though I think it was more a matter of ping than skill. Gave the entire group multiple chances before key to speak up before we started because we accidentally ended up on my aussie buddy's ping. Everyone said it was fine except the healer who remained silent each time

[toxic pewter]

ya understandable

[warm plinth]

Was supposed to be a no leaver 11 (first week) and we couldn't even get past 1st boss

[chrome falcon]

didn't they remove the bleed from hoa dogs

am i stupid

i haven't noticed it and i've done that place on 16

[warm plinth]

I wasn't even saying people could leave btw. I was offering to reform so it would put us on the right ping lol

There's still a bleed

But it's a different one

[chrome falcon]

must be insanely nerfed vs shadowlands

[warm plinth]

It's called grievous wound or something. Ticks every 3 seconds

[chrome falcon]

in shadowlands i would explode if i got that bleed

[high latch]

They nerfed the bleed significantly, but with high parry you can also just get a bit lucky and drop stacks frequently

Happens to me a lot

Also Dwarf racial is real nice in HOA

[frosty wave]

I am currently playing h
25k haste 15k Vers 11/13k crit is it a bad thing to have sucj low Crit ?

I like the gameplay but maybe that'd be better with more crit ?

[high latch]

I don't think it's a bad spread. Personally I like higher crit, but vers is very close in terms of value for us.

25k haste is quite a lot, but nothing too crazy

[frosty wave]

I can reach 55% with flask and buffs

I like vers I feel it makes me tznkier ?

[high latch]

It does. Crit can feel more random and mostly helps with melee hits through parry. Vers is just a flat % modifier.

Both are good 🙂

[ocean iron]

FINALLY

DOBBY IS FREE

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-dummy-laughing-pointing-on-you-gif-15125641

(I’m sorry brother I had to one last time)

[ocean iron]

took me 22 total

ok now how does this trinket work i missed last season LOL

do i activate it

[high latch]

Yeah, keep it in sword mode as much as possible

[ocean iron]

how do i pick the mode the on use?

[high latch]

Yep

[ocean iron]

so if i have the onuse but im already in sword mode i dont use it

[arctic citrus]

^

[ocean iron]

i see thanks

anyone got a WA for it lol

[high latch]

I don't have one, but there are several out there

Real easy to make yourself too

[dusky canopy]

I’m sure theirs a WA out there that will glow and appear whenever it’s usable and not in sword mode

[arctic citrus]

yea write name of the trinket in wagio

it will be alot

[uncut sparrow]

Lazy Tome … it dings.. activate it.

[high latch]

This one? https://wago.io/Bn9mwPxCC
Seems good

[ocean iron]

nice ok ill use that thanks

[arctic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/шрек-шрэк-бред-gif-10524320335751365709

^thisis the feeling when def part of trinket goes on and you use to fast swap ❤️

[round pendant]

day 1 abandon worked for me

ever since (twice) it's just been auto accepted

by everyone

1 guy gets to decide for everyone that it's over

not sure what's wrong with it

[high latch]

AFAIK it requires 4/5 yes votes. Seems fine to me. The only abandon vote I've seen so far failed.

[dusky canopy]

Key holder counts as 2 votes

I’ve been told anyway

[high latch]

I wish Blizz would properly explain how it works. Plenty of people don't even know it exisst or the command to trigger it..

[frosty wave]

I did PSF 8 times and in 2 runs I got the 2 trinkets

[wide cosmos]

then why did you run it 6 more times?

[warm plinth]

Yeah they dropped the ball horribly on any specifics about it. It's silly.