protection

[jagged pier]

[small steeple]

rekt

[undone beacon]

i crafted my wrists already though like a big oll goofy mcdumbopop

[small steeple]

The sign of respect is theft

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-dog-exploding-so-silly-gif-15918586977293620068

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/well-thats-too-bad-saturday-night-live-that-sucks-sucks-to-suck-oh-well-gif-23904363

[warm plinth]

This type of gif is getting too common. I don't like it.

[small steeple]

wrists want to be crafted anyway though for embelishment

[warm plinth]

I could not give one single iota of a fuck less about embellishments

Scrap them entirely tbh.

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/delilah-delilahcord-dog-dog-bomb-explode-gif-14479203884975152987

[undone beacon]

but but adrenal surge my beloved

[torpid dome]

hmm Im trying to build a route for ara kara, but seems that without doing multiple lanes, I do not end up with 100%

[ocean smelt]

Yeah embellsihments are kinda useless this season ngl

[small steeple]

mcbelt says screw you

[warm plinth]

Just another thing for people to worry about and it's like bro it's 1% stat AT BEST

Calm down about it

[marble cipher]

50 is childs play!
I ran 97 Vortex Pinacles to get a specific trinket once....
This still haunts me!

[undone beacon]

Consider, random nearly 10k agi proc

All for the cost of 600 mast

easy work

[warm plinth]

Wdym by multiple lanes? Like after first boss?

[torpid dome]

!nA12YTjmq0VO2r3r036KEzAZm0oL8sFHXCrKqd2KbdPo9b)TxJeOvclYKxKTGv7E2ZE2vKHZUllTR4pQYHJx(7qwAvtDDt5y7WlzjK3JYs)Rs9ywIy6VpN3oQMor5yFV6WWNgpCVQ7W3QoLLGX0jtoQAV4RMUdgVnB4phBBVyYKbdk1(Md3NLGM213up8J66JQLW)0flN(R2y)F0WXSqz6v9cFA1SFcKjC7RGTr2TsR1Xtl4jhpyEYsye2WWnVKe8LmInqmQ1R8aXKb7zmTltl7A76ZszL0kU0jgUHIaXIezJfbYasSbF0xd8EeOe8ymWGyGbrw4t4G7ew8BaIXnells0(bRpmXKHAZxIl2lPjIkIS2b4UKpogGiYcrmarSn5mbCv9HsbrcOeOSRzkPhOqeHmxUskecuyOsGUw7G5wlXIRrhHbocqNM(aOuMxqrLthLFTOahbbqc8ZSsqSjPZQKcmZXgYRG6zNcQAmOT18)kD1gGs4JGyfNx6in8iguqgMyrGak7cO5wWGonUvzkewLPi66cplqzdQlytXyH7dqLyjkYKiYzB2M2XSQAw0KTXxlROZHsU64jWKfRA23dRMh6eVirorPRpiJ5UohkZm)HKwA05GozJP)lCgwZJff1Ug5LoWmBmetmmZ2iYCQD2sxemtr6oQoEvcnmhLn09Qiue11i5Bt2TksGareiM0quNFPeGuLQoocRTFww6giOvc6KId4(1d6TjSKMxOhKHxu4HV)ku5oYhOIY4yH2iEaUl8SmqpzURGdx8iCg25lP8tbAoIY0ny2oRx52evfry84Ir0acy(MnpjWyoMBTKf(lpcCc4o)vTgkuCKU5hVqCS3qLEUXaUkErXr3erR5t)jVewHsW1gTO0I3KpLriPQqFX1IYGVrdnWfyGmWC)7Nnv9LMxmDtukJkQOAusmPYYlk4OC00mn47jthlAvpRATGFqD6Y6h7ZF3T595F48UBAgE58UU6Z7(C5dDQJN3DNA)tD959xE8V6ghuzP7RAMctDVs9qxB137AoOQYkGNm)jRfQ7hBA1F06C4gBQYsV5FF5XFVV50PB)6LNL9Fa

I almost always end up like this on the last boss

[warm plinth]

Is that 1 or 2 ppm?

[lusty grotto]

keystone.guru and threechest.io exist btw

[warm plinth]

Remove keystone.guru and I agree with Nim

[lean aurora]

This is what we do.

Is keystone.guru bad?!

[lusty grotto]

i like threechest more too for sure

[warm plinth]

It's not bad as in you shouldn't use it

[undone beacon]

shhhh let me have this

[warm plinth]

It's bad as in It's awkward and gross

[small steeple]

threchest is vastly suprior than keystone

like insane

[warm plinth]

And threechest is better because it's not awkward and gross

[torpid dome]

yeah that was the share from keystoneguru lmao

[lean aurora]

Larger question on routes: How do people use these routes while you're in the dungeon? MDT is a huge window. Are you pulling it up while you're doing your rotation? What's happening?

[torpid dome]

hoped it was a hyperlink

[slender bison]

Keystoneguru should be banned after the "x2 knights" routes from last season

"PUG friendly 2-14"

[small steeple]

memory or 2nd monitor

[warm plinth]

I usuallt take a Lil snip of the part of the route i need to get used to and put it on my other monitor zoomed in

[plush tendon]

keystoneguru also lags to shit

[warm plinth]

But after a while you just know what to pull

[native ember]

anyone got a good eco dome route the place is a joke but my counts always fucked in the end

[lean aurora]

This makes sense. But even with second monitor - I'm having to alt tab over to the browser and scroll, etc.

Feels bad.

[warm plinth]

For me it's more that I have trouble seeing the packs on 2d and mentally translating that to 3d

[native ember]

^^^^ same shit im like wait is it that pack or this one

[warm plinth]

So I just have the confusing part where I can see it the first few times and then I'm good

[undone beacon]

had that issue a lot at first in ecodome

[torpid dome]

hmm alright, then it's good

[lean aurora]

Ecodome for sure is a problem for me.

translating what I'm seeing on the map to the actual pulls.

[warm plinth]

Limit your screenshot to the parts that are potentially variable. Like there are certain areas of every dungeon that you don't need to memorize because you just pull everything, so leave that part out

[lean aurora]

Solid advice. Ty.

[native ember]

its always the last section after 2nd boss im like tryna count the mobs based on the route just to be sure its that pack then i get to boss and im short im like wtf???

[solid cargo]

So if I just can't get rid of all my TB stacks do I just send Avatar anyway or should I hold off to get rid of existing stacks.

[plush tendon]

Ive been doing this

working fine so far

[warm plinth]

This is the exact same route I do as well

[undone beacon]

similar idea, just less in last area

[lean aurora]

Also - if you have tank anxiety like I do - Follower Dungeons aren't horrible for practicing routes. Everything melts, but the mobs are all there.

[warm plinth]

Are they? Last season when I did normal priory, the patrol by boss 1 was mysteriously not there

[solid cargo]

For pull 11 do you grab the creeper first? I tried that pull last night and got him last but it felt awkward

[lean aurora]

maybe this is why my M+s don't time....

[native ember]

word ima try that out ive ran the place like 3 times got my teleport havent been back cause we have no loot in there couple more ill have the route down

[plush tendon]

no, i just get him when I can

[solid cargo]

I just do low keys if I want to practice a route.

[plush tendon]

creepers are really good

they do jack all

[warm plinth]

Well tbf, that's the only thing I've noticed like that. Usually you're right and everything is there

[plush tendon]

and are good %

[warm plinth]

But the priory patrol is mysteriously not

[plush tendon]

you could pull him first

[warm plinth]

Or again, wasn't last season. Ive had no reason to go to normal this season

So can't confirm

[plush tendon]

but it hasnt felt awk for me yet

[plush tendon]

my issue with doing low keys, is that nothing hurts

so its hard to figure out what pulls are illegal

because people dont die

[undone beacon]

just pull 1 pack at a time every pull, ez

[warm plinth]

Speaking of ecodome, do you guys actually give much of a fuck about the thingamabobs

[lunar flare]

I have this issue, especially in more open areas with loads of packs

[warm plinth]

Sorry the word left me as I was typing

[undone beacon]

haha boob

[warm plinth]

The 10% haste things

[undone beacon]

oh you said bob

damn

[warm plinth]

They seem like a distraction more than an actual useful thing

[plush tendon]

I grab em

its free stat

and prob worth the handful of seconds to get

[slender bison]

You take two as mandatory for count, but last pillar can be used for boss BL pull

[undone beacon]

10% haste for 30 secs aint bad, if everyone clicks the channel is like 2 seconds

[warm plinth]

Yeah but then you have the time to gather the pull and idk. I mean if we kill the trash anyway then sure I click it but yeah

Just feels like a weird awkward thing to me

[slender bison]

It's worthless to get buff during the last two packs as most dps will kick or strafe or move around. Best to use last pillar with boss

[warm plinth]

I guess I should just be glad they're not stronger or you'd have to inevitably do dumb shit to optimize them

[sturdy pelican]

Mistype

[undone beacon]

the call out?

[plush tendon]

so pumped for my vault this week

big I level gains coming for the warrior

and the carved crest achievement for alts

been doing 10s/11s on the BDK at 689 I level... things can get spooky

[solid cargo]

Yea i meant more for testing routes other people come up with.

More to practice them than "see if they work".

[native ember]

i need hero boots and a ring gonna try to farm that shit out today

[solid cargo]

"How do I group this all up" sort of practice

[plush tendon]

I guess that's fair; I feel like you can try that in like weekly 10s or what not

I need some threat

[solid cargo]

Oh yea. That's what I meant by "low key" lol

[torpid dome]

`this is basically what we do at eco'dome, at 2nd boss we do a near full clear, since lots of count and easy to combine packs

[slender bison]

No way this is more than a 10

[plush tendon]

yea, pull 16 is straight illegal

[torpid dome]

ofc when it gets higher, adjust pulls accordingly

yeah 15 and 16 ive marked wrong just now on the map

[native ember]

damn u pull everything by 2nd boss pull 16 def gonna wipe my group LMAO

[slender bison]

Then why share this map lmao

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/незаконный-мем-наклз-knuckles-gif-4208252655300671057

[torpid dome]

since it gives an idea what packs we take?

[slender bison]

It's like I'm sharing a X2 knight pack pull priory and say "adjust accordingly" lmao

[torpid dome]

🤷‍♂️

[plush tendon]

I did see Yoda do a cool pull at the start of Eco

he did this with lust

then straight into boss

not sure if its better

[solid cargo]

Requires coordination to get the gorge fuckers into the pack yea?

[plush tendon]

there are LoS stuff

but I think doing something like this aint for your weekly route; more for a coordinated group trying to get some IO drip

like this pull is pretty standard in a Priory weekly... but in any IO key, this is fucking illegal

[solid cargo]

Yea i take what I see people like Yoda do with a grain of salt. Probably won't work great with just random pugs

[plush tendon]

dem knights are

[solid cargo]

Even good random pics

[spare mantle]

Knights arent that bad anymore, this is definitely playable in a high key

[ocean smelt]

Honnestly find this one relatively easy but maybe because we've practiced it so much for an entire season already

[native ember]

bro i was doing that pull every single priory i ran farming trinket

[torpid dome]

what do you do instead then?

[native ember]

10+

[plush tendon]

knights were murdering in the 15 we tried

[torpid dome]

yeah ive done it a lot as well last week and overall it went decent

[spare mantle]

Tag one knight pack, run backwards to range the archer, and cry

[lusty grotto]

that pull is done in literally any key

even 17s

[slender bison]

You meld/soothe skip first pack of 4 Footmen, go left after Kngith Patrol and wait 5 seconds and then rush into x3 caster group with Suleyman.

[plush tendon]

people skip that shit

[lusty grotto]

maybe not in sub 10s but yea

[slender bison]

This is called the patrolless route

[lusty grotto]

thats just one knight augusto

[slender bison]

I did it once in pug, but failed it many times. Because its easy to die to 3 packs of casters without VDH. Disrupt Shout is limited

[plush tendon]

One knight still trucks

[lusty grotto]

idk the top 10 has the pull

just check

they aint skipping him

[solid cargo]

Could be a gear or comp issue? Idk. I haven't gotten that high yet

[spare mantle]

Knights got heavily nerfed this season

[plush tendon]

I have, and Ive done it

[slender bison]

TC + Disrupt can still brick the key. That's all there is to it. It was never about the random Bleed

[lusty grotto]

just freedom the clap

[spare mantle]

Why would that brick the key? Just heal between them, they never sync

[slender bison]

Or bad luck pot shots on a clothie

[spare mantle]

Also press ur defensive abilities

[frosty mango]

I was summoned tho I do not know why

[frail stirrup]

Anyone have good reccomend for targeting addon? action targeting annoying when going for caster intterupt or pulling 10+ mobs and can't click target a caster

[frosty mango]

You mean like nameplates?

Plater

[solid cargo]

Mouse over macro for interrupting?

[frosty mango]

Both jundies and qazzi have good baseline plater profiles that are decent for tanks

[frosty mango]

Bricked at 14 yesterday to this

[solid cargo]

I use jundies. It's great

[frosty mango]

Knight didn’t die fast enough

[native ember]

yea jundies is nice honestly if u know nothing about the key shit tells you whats important

but im a tank so i have to do my homework

or get cussed out and told im a bad tank had the worst db of my life yesterday pally and arcane mage pulling shit on 2nd lieutenant telling me i need to back up im like how about u aim ur fucking divine storm and shit into the building instead of into the pat

[lusty grotto]

no prio targetting this season is pretty normal because its week 2

it'll get better

[native ember]

got the ring drop gave a heart and peaced tf out

[lusty grotto]

and in vault 10s, i mean

obviously it gets better the higher the key but yes

goes without saying people should know about it by now since its the 2nd season in a row for that particular dungeon but what can you do

[solid cargo]

Dps are all just zug zug fury warriors in disguise

[lusty grotto]

its funny on gambit first pull when the giant lives forever

you know exactly how the key will go

"oh i guess i better hold my kick for the ritualists lmao"

"and aggressively ping the starseer add"

[slender bison]

Not about that, but from the 1st pull you'll know if you have dps for the dragon pirate boss

[near ermine]

is there a point going mountain thane if you only have 2 set? or just wait for 4

[lusty grotto]

sure

wait for 4pc

but you can go for it if you wanna get used to it

[near ermine]

ok cool thanks, getting loot shafted

[lusty grotto]

its just lower throughput in keys than colossus

with only 2pc

[solid cargo]

I'd use last seasons build though

Well nvm

You can't

Lol

[elfin ginkgo]

Okay im back! How we doing over here

[lusty grotto]

[spare mantle]

The dragon boss doesnt have a dps check, u can just go in a circle

[elfin ginkgo]

hows prot feein in keys?

[solid sun]

I tell ya

I feel real protty

Bonkin’ folks with my shield and all that

Sure wish I had literally any tier pieces at all but y’know

[lusty grotto]

feels like every season since m+ was created

except SL s1, and arguably BFA s1

[solid cargo]

Yea prot eternally feels the same in keys.

[heady jetty]

Feels hella good 🙂

We spoke of thane vs. Col earlier, don't u miss the knockup from shockwave in thane? I guess in an organized group it's w/e?

[native ember]

them not giving a catalyst charge every week is legit criminal

[quick spruce]

Should I stop all haste on gear at 21k?

[lusty grotto]

no

you stop when your SB doesnt have gaps w/ ITF

at under 20k-ish you just play heavy repercussions

[solid cargo]

I wish that shit wasn't a choice node

Losing itf feels like shit

[lusty grotto]

i dont agree

SB uptime is important

so you should be able to manage it without the required haste

[native ember]

those extra points next expac should make things a bit spicy

[solid cargo]

Well yes.

But not having the haste after getting used to it makes things feel slow even if you need it for sb uptime

[lusty grotto]

there's a gearing process

[plush tendon]

I highly doubt people will use those points for anything but the apex talents

[lusty grotto]

we prio ilvl over stats

if HR wasnt a thing, we would be fucked

forced to play bolster or some shit

[sharp gale]

Early expansion struggle

[native ember]

yea your not wrong prob biggest gains

[plush tendon]

I wonder what ours will be

will we get banner back?

[solid cargo]

They would never be that based

[plush tendon]

what have prot war lost over the years

[sharp gale]

Spell block as apex point, just to joke on us

[plush tendon]

I feel like we have kept most of the cool stuff from the last 3-4 expansions

[native ember]

bro that would be hilarious

[solid cargo]

Shattering throw?

Og version

[plush tendon]

I also dont know if we need another dps cd

with Rav procs, shield charge, DRoar/Spear

that feels good

[solid cargo]

They said apex talents would modify existing abilities to alter the style of play.

[plush tendon]

yea, I need a baseline as to what they are thinking

[solid cargo]

So probably just make Ss cleave or some shit like it's SOTR

[plush tendon]

the one for the new DH spec looked strong, but a bit meh

in terms of coolness

[solid cargo]

Reduce cd on heroic leap. Give it charges. Heroic leap generates an earthquake.

Boom. Coolness

[native ember]

that rav we use now has fucked me a couple times when i heroic throw to pull shit ravager staying there has pulled a couple pats ngl

[plush tendon]

"For the Devourer Demon Hunter, the first point of this node is Collapsing Star always crits, the 2nd and 3rd increases your Void and Cosmic damage and the 4th node gives you scaling on your crit damage."

like, its a bit bland

[solid cargo]

In fairness it's a brand new spec so all the neat shit may have just been baked into it already

They've probably been working on it before apex talents

[plush tendon]

or theyve been working on it with apex talents in mind?

idk, hard to say

will be interested to see what they are thinking

we also get 3 more points in class tree yea?

that could go hard

[solid cargo]

Yea. Could be big for warriors considering the capstone situations

[plush tendon]

if it lets me take intervene again

ill be happy

I miss that button

[native ember]

shit should be baseline imo

[solid cargo]

I wish they just made it a genuinely powerful external in the vein of Sac

[lusty grotto]

you mean Safeguard

dw youll play it in legion remix 🙂

[solid cargo]

Oh shit yea I do look

[plush tendon]

arms warrior intervene+die by the sword

[solid cargo]

Lol*

[plush tendon]

[solid cargo]

Forgot that was a thing once upon a time

[plush tendon]

still gonna be some time till Midnight

seems like we are gonna be in this patch for a while

[frosty mango]

i give up

[undone beacon]

pain and suffering

[plush tendon]

can someone confirm if you get more loot from doing higher keys?

[undone beacon]

all loot should just be tradable

[plush tendon]

I remember that used to be a thing

[plush tendon]

yea, I dont know why they made it so you cant just trade loot and tied it to I level

[native ember]

damn

[solid cargo]

So people couldn't do m+ splits i think

[plush tendon]

yea, thats dumb

[solid cargo]

Which is silly because that impacts like no one but I think it's a hold over from when all loot was personal loot

[plush tendon]

well, M+ is still personal

I just think its dumb

[solid sun]

I thought it was to combat an issue they said existed where people felt pressured to trade gear to others

[undone beacon]

Sorry I can’t trade these hero 2/6 boots I haven’t upgraded my hero 1/6 boots yet

[undone beacon]

Personal problem don’t accept peer pressure easy life

[plush tendon]

Also, can we talk about how awesome the abandon system is

[solid sun]

Yeah it doesn’t matter to me what other people want but not everyone is built like that ig

[plush tendon]

its actually great

if we brick a key, we just get a free TP out

dont need to reset the dungeon or walk out or anything

big fan

I also saw my first person in LFG with the leaver debuff

[solid sun]

Oh I thought it was just used to send abandon votes as often as possible after a single wipe in a timeable key or for votes to be declined so healer could then stand there and refuse to play effectively holding you hostage

[rough egret]

How long does the leaver buff stays?

[plush tendon]

naw, thats just for reddit

[undone beacon]

Abandon has been great so far in my experience

[rough egret]

Or you cann somehow redo your reputation by finishing keys?

[sterile orbit]

the best part is when your doing a 13 priory wipe on the first pull and have to wait 5 minutes until you can abandon the key and no one is talking in party chat

[plush tendon]

not sure how many keys you need to do

but you have to do X number of keys without leaving

[frosty mango]

if everyone walks out

you can just reset

and it will auto abandon

[solid sun]

and everyone gets a leaver penalty

[plush tendon]

I think what hes getting at is that you wipe, 4 people still want to keep going but 1 person is being a dick

[frosty mango]

i dont think so

[plush tendon]

so that 1 person sabatgoes

like in league

[solid sun]

I’m just memeing

[plush tendon]

I think people have also said that sometimes people will post a key for a certain level, get there and then slot their own key in at a lower level

so you got jebaited

[native ember]

had someone do that they would just die and afk

[plush tendon]

but, quite frankly, if that happened to me

I'd just pull like a monkey

do some very terrible idea pulls XD

[karmic stream]

Happend to me, guy listed for a 12 then started it and was a 10, he said ah well we started might as well finish it 🤣

[rough egret]

😄

[plush tendon]

well.... if I need gear or a weekly i wouldnt mind too much

depending on my mood, I could be petty and just do stupid shit

[lusty grotto]

imagine not needing gear

[sterile orbit]

nah i think the abandon key option was grey until like the 10 minute mark so we all just sat there afk

[plush tendon]

I just need myth track

[lusty grotto]

must be nice

[plush tendon]

so we on the clock

we replaced the delve trinket with a Soleah's

so my gear is fine

Soleah's + pacemaker

good enough for me

[karmic stream]

Soleah is not that good tbh

Get ire on antena

[lusty grotto]

its decent enough

"get x trinket"

[plush tendon]

yea, its fine

[lusty grotto]

sure

[plush tendon]

ill replace it at some point

[lusty grotto]

he will climb on that trinket cannon and just get it

[karmic stream]

Too many trinkets r better then soleah bro wtf

[lusty grotto]

not really

[native ember]

be a real one and farm priory only till tome drops ❤️

[plush tendon]

but no point in farming for a certain trinket right now

[solid sun]

It ain’t that serious

[karmic stream]

Ara kara, tome, most raid ones etc

Yes really

[frosty mango]

soleah is pretty good for most classes

[lusty grotto]

not really

[native ember]

priory prison i call it

[karmic stream]

Not everyone is a casual rlx

[lusty grotto]

has nothing to do with it

soleah is A rank

RNG drop rates exist

[frosty mango]

if you had a trinket that gave 1800 static secondary and a proc that said "all of your attacks have a 100% chance to proc your main stat for 7000"

[lusty grotto]

get off your high horse

[karmic stream]

Cringe

[lusty grotto]

the cringest of them all

[plush tendon]

Soleah's is fine; not gonna write home to mom about it

[karmic stream]

Why not

[plush tendon]

but like, I aint gonna spend time doing repeat priories to get it

I got better use of my time

[lusty grotto]

mfer is doing higher keys than you are and youre lecturing

[plush tendon]

like playing Sudoku

[frosty mango]

if youre running priory to get soleahs youre gonna be running for a long time

potentially forever

[karmic stream]

Is this bot always yaping like this? Dedicated skyhold ragebaiter?

[plush tendon]

oh no, I meant for tome

[lusty grotto]

you bet

[plush tendon]

I run Soleah and Pace

[undone beacon]

Shut up losers im running Codex and Footbomb

[plush tendon]

I really dont like Tome

[undone beacon]

like a MAN

[plush tendon]

Id rather get a raid trinket

[karmic stream]

My respect 🙏

[lusty grotto]

stop being cringy my good sir

[plush tendon]

but we have to raid for reset

[frosty mango]

footbomb has speed

[plush tendon]

[frosty mango]

100% goat

[undone beacon]

bis trinket fr

[lusty grotto]

you dont think he knows there are better trinkets?

[solid sun]

I actually took my trinkets off

[karmic stream]

Just farm it not that deep, why stuck with mid stuff

[dense cradle]

I mean soleah isnt bad

[karmic stream]

Peak

[dense cradle]

its just a generic stat stick

[undone beacon]

Also is Pulsating Stoneheart even on the loottable? I don't think I've actually seen one or anyone talk about it other than its classy F rank on the tier list

[sterile orbit]

i use the mud trinket and prolly will entire season

[plush tendon]

no, its gone

Idol is also a cool trinket

[undone beacon]

Thats so sad

[plush tendon]

but a little scary

[undone beacon]

I want my stoneheart to pulse

[plush tendon]

I found out you can move with it though

my BDK uses it

[dense cradle]

Ire is kind of comical

in terms of its damage

[karmic stream]

Im not saying its bad but u shouldnt keep it if u dont have to, just farm other better trinkets from m plus or raid, and dont waste gilded on soleah

[dense cradle]

farm raid trinkets

you listening to yourself

rn

[plush tendon]

I dont think anyone was saying send gilded on a hero track trinket

[lusty grotto]

fr

[plush tendon]

I just have a Soleah's, it fits in trinket slot, and its not bad and I havnt got anything else

[karmic stream]

Gotta farm

[plush tendon]

nor will I farm

[dense cradle]

also antenna is good

[plush tendon]

I will just keep pushing IO

[dense cradle]

but gl getting it as tank from raid

unless you’re dps main

[lime spruce]

The duality of man

[plush tendon]

a btter trinket will drop at some point

[karmic stream]

Lmao

[plush tendon]

and Ill get by with what I got

[dense cradle]

i mean pacemaker

is effectively a stat stick too

[plush tendon]

I got myth pacemaker; that slot is done as far as I am concerned

[solid sun]

I utilize my charming personality and aloof disposition to defeat my enemies. Not tomes and pacemakers

[plush tendon]

except maybe until turbo

[karmic stream]

Aye thats true, dropped twice for us already but i didnt get it, hope i will next week

[plush tendon]

when you can just buy stuff

[karmic stream]

U can always just buy stuff tho 💀

[lusty grotto]

there it is

[karmic stream]

😂

[plush tendon]

Ive only ever farmed 1 trinket; whetstone season 1 of DF

and that was miserable

so never again

[karmic stream]

Once i did 106 DoS runs in shadowlands for that bloody trinket, now i get luckier ngl

[nocturne spindle]

+2 spam though

Was kinda fun

Just see how much you could pull

[plush tendon]

sorry, if a key is not in double digits, I aint going

stuff dies too quick

and its not fun

[undone beacon]

I farmed so many Motherlodes on my hunter last season to try and get the fuckin engi schematic and never saw it

and cuz it was my hunter i couldnt just go solo zerg tank the whole thing

[karmic stream]

+15 giga pulls for limit testing r peak

[ocean smelt]

I mean you can't really "waste" gilded you're just gonna upgrade the better trinket using only valorstones later on

[plush tendon]

[solid sun]

I did so many Razzy G’s for that mount

Took forever

[undone beacon]

Razzy G more like Snazzy G

amirite

[karmic stream]

Wiped some bitches today in hoa, had half a dung on me 🤣

[plush tendon]

you sort of know pretty early in HoA if you are gonna have a good or bad time

[solid sun]

Yes

[plush tendon]

after the first two shard pulls

[dense cradle]

Yeah no if you dont dps in raid

[plush tendon]

honestly the two hardest pulls are those first two shards

[dense cradle]

chances you get antenna from non vault:

[plush tendon]

everything else is pretty chill

[karmic stream]

Depends how big you go after first boss, can be fun

[plush tendon]

Ive been pulling triple reaver

[solid sun]

If I cared much about loot I probably wouldn’t even raid

Nothing drops there

[plush tendon]

its felt fine on Prot War

my BDK does not like it

[karmic stream]

Y with 4 casters, just need dedicated interupts but its doable

[dense cradle]

This raid has better items than last tier

imo

[solid sun]

Yeah but they don’t drop

[dense cradle]

well some items

[karmic stream]

Raid trinkets r insane on this tier

[solid sun]

And if they do they won’t be for me

[native ember]

the trinkets are fucking busted and those boots have to be op as shit

[karmic stream]

I got ire heroic and its 8-10% my overall dps constantly

[ivory current]

ayo friends need some advice -- I already have a hero track shield. Should I save my 720 gilded for weapon + bracers writhing, or should I always send a 720 shield in all circumstances?

[plush tendon]

these are the pulls I do

[dense cradle]

we chain get belts

on hc

x3 on one kill

[plush tendon]

getting those two guys near garg is a bit of a pain in pull 9, but my DK friend knows to grip when he can

[karmic stream]

Aye thats the one

[solid sun]

That is a lot of anklebiters

[plush tendon]

IDK, once we get to a higher key if Im allowed to pull triple reaver though....

[dense cradle]

we did get 3 screams on a normal kill

that was nice

[plush tendon]

we lust it usually

[karmic stream]

Healing debuff will.be hard but we will have better gear too

[plush tendon]

it doesnt seem to do much to Prot War

like loyal beasts; I told my group to not kick that

and just focus on bolts

[karmic stream]

Sigma

[undone beacon]

I sent 720 shield even with a hero shield. You can wait and see what you get in vault tomorrow and go from there, but shield is usually a high ticket piece

[plush tendon]

having a unlucky bolt+hunter shot on a dps is just death

[native ember]

im praying i get a tome in vault and im sending vaults with arms spec call it a season

[solid cargo]

Does it not fuck us up?

[plush tendon]

and on 3rd boss I name my route "dont interrupt 3rd boss"

[plush tendon]

its just attack speed

[karmic stream]

True, cant pull too many hunters at once, im sad how squishy dps are, weakness

[solid cargo]

Oh. So yea. We're chilling

[plush tendon]

and, based on number of casters you have I feel like interrupts are better spent on keeping dps alive

[karmic stream]

Shield.block bro

[plush tendon]

then reducing tank melee damage

[solid sun]

The third boss of hoa is my favorite

[plush tendon]

loyal beasts used to be super deadly on tanks

theyve been nerfed

[solid sun]

One of my dps friends starts interrupting if I get too close to them on the meters

[karmic stream]

In shadowlands they one tap u

[tame jasper]

When gargolye is in stone form you can get them good by using aoe taunt with silence

[karmic stream]

Peak

[plush tendon]

I like to have AoE taunt for the following pull

part of the CC rotation

or if a dps is blasting and the little dudes path in, I may have to go 'oh shit' and shout

stupid target cap

[tame jasper]

Fair 🙂 CD of the shout is too long 😂😇

[plush tendon]

😡

[tame jasper]

Yes 🙁

[orchid narwhal]

I have an ignore pain question

I've been doing keys on prot warrior, but I don't think I understand this ability. It reduces 50% of the damage you take, and then you just take the other 50%?

So a 100k hit, 50k is ignored, and 50k is taken?

[plush tendon]

someone in my guild thought Challenging Shout CD was reduced by AM

and I was like 'I wish'

[native ember]

fucking know that ^^

[lusty grotto]

IP works after all other DR

[karmic stream]

They need to lower cd to one minute

[plush tendon]

naw, 1:30 is fine and fair in the current state of the game

[lusty grotto]

anything remaining after wall/dstance/SR (if magic)/demo shout/block/parry/dodge and after full absorbs is reduced by 50% up to the shield amount

[plush tendon]

but every tank should have a tool close to or similar to it

[lusty grotto]

dont think too much about it Lassitude

[plush tendon]

right now its like Prot Pal, VDH, Prot War that have it and can take it easily

[karmic stream]

I dont like it, we have least utility of all tanks

[lusty grotto]

just press it at 70+ rage

[orchid narwhal]

Idk I just cannot survive in my keys, prot paladin feels tankier somehow

[plush tendon]

really?

I think Prot Paladin is made of paper

[lusty grotto]

maintain SB

[orchid narwhal]

I've finished my 14s on prot paladin

[lusty grotto]

IP is not WoG

[orchid narwhal]

and I cannnot finish my 10 priory on prot warrior somehow

[lusty grotto]

keep SB up

[orchid narwhal]

Yeah I have 100% uptime on sb, but it just doesn't matter, I cannot do the same pulls as my other tanks '

[sharp gale]

Idk when I tank 10s my hp don’t move at all whatever I do

[orchid narwhal]

Like 90% of the time I feel invincible, then 10% of the time, am I just at the mercy of my healer, but surely not

[karmic stream]

Go left, fck the dps

[plush tendon]

to figure out why you are dying, we prob will need to see a log or something

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log

[orchid narwhal]

I'll do a key and log it for you right now

[lusty grotto]

someone might have logged a run for you

search up your character

[orchid narwhal]

I already checked sadly

[karmic stream]

Shhh rat

[plush tendon]

I think left is still the play

[orchid narwhal]

I usually run logs myself, but turned off raiderio for whatever reason yesterday

[plush tendon]

right trash feels easier

but the fire lady on boss is cancer

[lusty grotto]

understandable

[plush tendon]

though the judgement person does hurt

[karmic stream]

Fireball just one taps

[karmic stream]

With a good healer its not a problem ngl

I didnt go high on priory yet, only 12 or 13, dont like it there too much

[plush tendon]

yea, feels like a easier problem to solve then trying to deal with firestorm and interrupts

[karmic stream]

I need a rsham main to baby me

[plush tendon]

this is how I want to pull Priory; though we prob wont get to try a 16 of this key till the following reset

with labor day

[plush tendon]

we running Prot War, FDK, Ret, Shadow, Resto Shamn

its been good so far

but Ret is eyeing swapping to Havoc for later down the road

[sterile orbit]

pull 8 looks scary

[sharp gale]

Just an excuse to devourer

[native ember]

saw a ret with 4 piece fucking whopping in the priory did was crazy

tier*

[plush tendon]

its a chain pull

[sterile orbit]

oh okay

[plush tendon]

I aint pulling all three packs at once, but once the second left side comes down, the other pack should be close to dead

[lusty grotto]

left side is for pansies

[plush tendon]

or at least greatly reduced

[plush tendon]

rets very good

ST boss damage is a bit lacking

but it can do dps

and ret util is still very nice in dungeons

[lusty grotto]

and freedom is always good for clap

[deft mortar]

5 more ilvls and 30M hp

[karmic stream]

Thats standard, no?

[lusty grotto]

additional to the regular sacs, etc

[deft mortar]

I dont think I will achieve 35M, though

[plush tendon]

feels pretty standard yea

but I didnt play season 2

[lusty grotto]

its not

right side is standard

[plush tendon]

and raiderio routes are all over the place

[lusty grotto]

thats an s2 route

doable but still

[karmic stream]

Lmao no

[sharp gale]

The fire dude on boss feels so bad

[plush tendon]

Im not a believer in the right side

[lusty grotto]

lmao yes

[deft mortar]

Yall have a resource showing the meta routes?

[karmic stream]

Bros doing 6's

[deft mortar]

Honestly the only part of M+ I dont like is staying updated on routes

[karmic stream]

Keystone guru will do a trick

[plush tendon]

the first few weeks are fun to figure stuff out

[deft mortar]

I never see what another tank does either

[deft mortar]

Thx

[plush tendon]

but in a couple of weeks, the routes will pretty much be solved

[deft mortar]

Maybe Ill level my alt warlock to see what other tanks do

Or play a lil fury

[karmic stream]

Prot warr, rsham, fdk, havoc and ret r way to go

[deft mortar]

Melee maxxing

[plush tendon]

I like that comp, but our shadow priest is a a range dps gamer

[deft mortar]

Get a WW and 2 MM Hunters

[plush tendon]

but we'll adust accordingly later

we arent being walled by comp yet

[karmic stream]

Your group weak link i c

[plush tendon]

I like shadow

[karmic stream]

💀

[deft mortar]

I never invited an spri in my life

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt invite in low keys

they do suffer from key too low syndrome

[deft mortar]

Last I remember spris randomly killed themselves mid fights

[karmic stream]

I only inv spri to pi me so i outdps the pugs

[plush tendon]

doing tank damage half the time

[deft mortar]

I guess that was MoP

I cancelled the whole spec in my head since

[plush tendon]

but having mind smooth is still nice

[undone beacon]

That was Legion - Surrender to Madness

[frosty mango]

anyone saying

right is not standard

has not run priory on more than like a 10-11

because I promise you if you go left on like a 14-15

you are dying

[deft mortar]

I go left on priory

Stomped 12

[lusty grotto]

right is not standard?

fucking clown

[deft mortar]

I always go left

[frosty mango]

ok thats a 12

go left on a high key

see how quickly you die on the first boss

[karmic stream]

Ah u r doing 17's sorry my bad pro tank lmao

[deft mortar]

(I have 28M unbuffed hp)

[frosty mango]

the route is irrelevant on lower level keys because the mechanics largely dont matter

they dont do enough damage to matter

[deft mortar]

Aint nothing killing me in this game

But my dps..

They die

[karmic stream]

Rat thinks what 0.01% of top playes r doing is standard 💀

[lusty grotto]

free real estate on this guy's mind

[frosty mango]

no I think what 80% of the playerbase is doing is standard

[karmic stream]

🐕‍🦺

[frosty mango]

and I think what is easier is better

[karmic stream]

Its easier for me as a tank but harder for pugs

[deft mortar]

Yall ever tried going straight ahead

[karmic stream]

I need to time the key not have a chill time

[ocean smelt]

Going right is definitelly not what 80% of the playerbase is doing tho

[deft mortar]

Heroic Leap straight up from the fountain

[karmic stream]

M0 yea

[frosty mango]

translation: "i dont care if the healer needs to carry my group because i want to do what I want to do"

[lusty grotto]

well they are in my tome runs at least

[sharp gale]

true, just do the boss with all miniboss guys

[karmic stream]

Yes, ez

[deft mortar]

I have seen a 670 ilvl restor drood sustain 2.5M HPS

Now I think every healer is skill issue

[karmic stream]

It is

[solid cargo]

Well yea that's last season healing numbers lol

[deft mortar]

Bro didnt even have set pieces

[frosty mango]

80% of the keystone guru routes are right

[karmic stream]

Just blame a healer and move on not that deep

[frosty mango]

seems legit to me

[deft mortar]

Do yall not pull all lightspawns etc. straiggt into the priest

[karmic stream]

80% of players doesnt lnow what keystone guru is

[frosty mango]

like to put it inter perspective

we went left on a 14

[ocean smelt]

And the vast majority of the playerbase will never open this website, they are still going left because they did that last season and they will need an other month to even think of checking an other route

[deft mortar]

Who died?

[frosty mango]

I was doing 4m hps sustained on first boss

[rough egret]

Prioiry right side is way better than left side. No issues at all

[karmic stream]

Exactly, hes just delulu

[frosty mango]

and the leap would almost kill someone every time on the overlap

[solid cargo]

Just spamming IP lol

[plush tendon]

I think right is easier to pull, but having fire lady on boss is just so much worse

[deft mortar]

Nah he aint doing 4M HPS as a prot warr

[plush tendon]

really the only reason we prefer left

[deft mortar]

Or sustaining for long

[high latch]

Looking at r.io heatmap for this reset it seems ~63% of runs do left side, but that's all key levels

[lusty grotto]

it really isnt

[sharp gale]

Yes it’s the leap + AoE pulse that is killing left

[frosty mango]

well I was healing so

[lusty grotto]

augusto you got a team

[rough egret]

Why just dance

[lusty grotto]

its literally not harder at all

[karmic stream]

In cordi group u must go right, in a pug left is the way

[high latch]

Personally I go right though

[dense remnant]

does anyone here happen to have a working taunt DR weakaura/solution?

[lusty grotto]

yeah hold on

[plush tendon]

still week 2; if people all end up going right, well figure it out

[frosty mango]

I really can't wait for everyone to catch up and then they start going left and getting blasted

[plush tendon]

but from us playing for 5 days, we liked left

[deft mortar]

I will try right and see how it goes

Never did right act

Priory ez dung tho

[frosty mango]

its largely the same and like I said on lower level keys it really doesnt matter, go whichever side you want

[ocean smelt]

Like literally this afternoon on Twitter I saw casuals complaining about "Tanks doing MDI routes" because they were going to the bomb boss before Big Mom in Floodgate and you think normies knows what the right side of priory looks like? 😂

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/TauntDiminishing

[karmic stream]

I like the left too but its just higher dmg output then right, no point in going left if u have coordinated interupts

[deft mortar]

I wanna do some 13s soon but dps becomes an issue

[sharp gale]

Right is worst if your pug can’t dodge fire, but higher ppl usually knows how to dodge that

[frosty mango]

but if you try to go left on a push key you will 99%% get blasted and brick

[karmic stream]

THIS hahahah

[deft mortar]

Bros in my team be doing 3M ST in Flood 13 and then dont pop CDs for 3rd boss trash pack aoe

[dense remnant]

ty, i'll see how this works

[deft mortar]

😭

[high latch]

The stats are interesting. Across all keys, 63% go left, but for 16 and higher 93% go right.

[deft mortar]

And then blame my route (its standard 2nd boss first route)

[lusty grotto]

yeah but who gives a shit about that

opinions are like assholes

[karmic stream]

Everyone? Calm down hobo

[deft mortar]

BRO I HAD THAT

[rough egret]

Ppl will learn eventuelly

[lusty grotto]

especially twitter opinions

[sharp gale]

Baited by twitter post

[deft mortar]

Literally

Its not even an MDI route

BL just works better that way

[karmic stream]

No they wont. Ever worked with ppl?

[deft mortar]

Bros be sooo mad

[lusty grotto]

im sorry you feel so bad about yourself that you need to care about tweets

must feel bad

[plush tendon]

the only thing I learned about flood, is that pulling crocs onto duo boss is meh

[rough egret]

Yeah I do 🙂

[karmic stream]

Idk what twiter is

[plush tendon]

they snapped, and some idiot is always just standing on top of them

[sharp gale]

I think there is a bigger elephant in the room in priory for the mdi route complain

[plush tendon]

and get insta clapped

[deft mortar]

We once pulled last pack into last boss

[plush tendon]

I like I like

[deft mortar]

In flood, out of timer desparation

[rough egret]

Once you reach key lvls that you meet players that do some research its okay 🙂

[plush tendon]

do yall lust the two guys at the end of 4th boss in flood

[rough egret]

Its usually around 14 keys

[ocean smelt]

Well it's not that I care it's just that the statement that the "majority" of people would go right was wrong

That's all lol

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[dense remnant]

ok, this is opening up another can of worms til i test this in other difficulties, but LFR bosses dont have taunt DR?

[deft mortar]

I alwats go left cuz I am a commie

[sharp gale]

The first pull of priory is a bigger mdi route thing than left/right shenanigans

[plush tendon]

give it a week or two, and most routes will be solved and we'll copy

[lusty grotto]

they do

[sharp gale]

Like hoa first pull

[plush tendon]

for now, just try some stuff out

and see what works

most people still raiding

[lusty grotto]

unless i missed something, but i dont LFR outside of the first week for tier

[plush tendon]

and what not

[karmic stream]

Bros doing lfr 🤣

[deft mortar]

I got 2 tier only still

[frosty mango]

who do you think is out there solving routes

[deft mortar]

Cuz I aint raiding

[dense remnant]

even if i spam my taunt the taunt duration stays the same, and the weakaura keeps looking like this

[plush tendon]

prob the usual suspects at the top of the leaderboards

[sharp gale]

Everyone does lfr the first week

[frosty mango]

no, that is not who is solving routes lol

[karmic stream]

Chinese gods r solving the routes

[lusty grotto]

interesting, check other content in case the WA is broken

[frosty mango]

we agree on this tbh

[karmic stream]

Shushhh im ragebaiting the bro

[dense remnant]

the taunt duration is a pretty good way to check that, right?

the weakaura isnt showing up on normal mobs at all

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it should be strictly for bosses

[dense remnant]

taunt DR, or the weakaura?

[lusty grotto]

has to show up on the boss frame etc

[dense remnant]

ah ye

[karmic stream]

We agree on everything pookie

[dense remnant]

i'll see how it looks on prog raid tonight

[deft mortar]

Wish they had delves+

[lusty grotto]

[deft mortar]

Id shine

[sharp gale]

You could do that in legion remix keys

[dense remnant]

just trying to come up with some easy solution that lets me do what i want on forgeweaver on pull while keeping the tank assignments the same ^^

[deft mortar]

I did the math, I can tank dimensios mythic tank swapper without CDs

[dense remnant]

tank swapper isnt the one that hurts on dimensius, even on mythic, right?

its the autos?

or did they giga buff the tank buster on mythic comparatively?

[deft mortar]

Dont it hit 30m phy + 17m cosmic

30m physical is I sleep for warrs

[dense remnant]

heroic dimensius autos for 32mil

guess im not playing a war atm tho

[deft mortar]

Rly? Oh well I still sleep

Thats like 5-7M post mitigation

[dense remnant]

32 mil physical + like 1-2mil shadow per auto on heroic dimensius p1 ^^

[deft mortar]

I sleep

(28M unbuffed hp btw)

[dense remnant]

it was funny to realize on doing it the first time, that the autos every ~2s hit for pretty much the same as the "tank buster"

(to a brew)

[deft mortar]

Ohh a brew, yeah, thats a dps spec

(I am a shield supremacist)

BDKs are healers not tanks fr

Question: can a hunter pet taunt a boss before a tank buster?

[dense remnant]

played prot war in S2 the first tier i was prog tanking, wanted to try something new for this tier and im liking it so far even tho im far from as comfy as on prot war

[lusty grotto]

melees for 9 mil

on heroic

[undone beacon]

No

Pet taunts are disabled on bosses

[lusty grotto]

7 mil max was on our kill

entirely blockable of course

fists are 2 to 3 mil

[frosty mango]

I played windwalker for soulbinder

I did 300 million damage in 8 seconds to adds

[lusty grotto]

talking about dimensius

[frosty mango]

I know but ive been broken by gambits and I have no idea whats happening

I'm actually yogi today

[deft mortar]

Damn, maybe there is a pet with intervane

[lusty grotto]

cosmic collapse is 10 mil on heroic, SR MDR-able

but you should be walling it anyway

[frosty mango]

I've been playing hunker down instead of shield spec in raid

[ashen moon]

folks, ir there a haste cap to change from in for the kill to heavy repercussions?

[nocturne spindle]

heroic dimensius melees are the first time ive ever seen my health move from a heroic auto

kinda crazy shit

[lusty grotto]

20k with s3 tier

[deft mortar]

So my autism 28M hp build may be good for dimensius????

[lusty grotto]

21k for comfort, youll still have gaps up to 25kish

[frosty mango]

no

[nocturne spindle]

no it doesnt like

hurt

just moves the health bar actually

[frosty mango]

theres not much difference between 28m health and 50m health

[deft mortar]

I will keep hp maxxing nevertheless

[frosty mango]

because the majority of damage will kill you regardless without mit

thats why were not out here stam trinket gaming like in bc

[deft mortar]

Our capacity to self heal is about 4-5%/per second, on purely hp% basis

[tawny ice]

Not new to tanking WoW, but just coming back to being MT, I don't have issues grabbing agro, but I would like to get my dps up. How do I do that as a tank.

[deft mortar]

If u talent like a hp maxxer

[frosty mango]

yes and the extra 9m health will do exactly zero - you can test this by walking into a pack with shield block off

and seeing how long you live

[lusty grotto]

would need logs

bigger weapon, better trinkets, etc

[frosty mango]

spoiler alert - it will be the same amount of time you live with 20m health

[lusty grotto]

very broad question

[tawny ice]

Will try to find my last ones

[deft mortar]

Longer then u doing the same thing

[lusty grotto]

doubt it

[frosty mango]

disagree, in both scenarios death would occur almost instantly

[solid sun]

What is hp maxing lol. Like Stam trinket and geming for Stam? Can you even still do that

[frosty mango]

lol

[frosty mango]

oh yes, yes you can

[lusty grotto]

stam has been dead since 2 decades ago

[tawny ice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/blackrock/thuringwethl

[frosty mango]

its alive! there are still stam gems and stam trinkets

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[frosty mango]

its terrible, but its there

[lusty grotto]

what a joke

[deft mortar]

Health maxxing every patch, every expansion

[dusky canopy]

You mean you don’t put a stam gem in for the 2% more speed

Bro this guy

I swear

[frosty mango]

f in the chat boys someone bricked a kubernetes cluster I gotta do some real work

[dusky canopy]

[orchid narwhal]

@lusty grotto i did the key, edned up timing it

[lusty grotto]

play colossus without tier

[orchid narwhal]

but man you gotta see this, like im doing something so insanely wrong and idek what

[lusty grotto]

thane is no damage without it

[orchid narwhal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G2rBktXAWfaL7HVK

[lusty grotto]

for ST you need at the very least 2pc

[deft mortar]

I got only stam gems 😭

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[deft mortar]

Gives me 10k hp each lmao

Not even a rounding error

[orchid narwhal]

yea but i still have zero clue what im doing 😭

[deft mortar]

Anything else would be more effective hp

[orchid narwhal]

healer i think had to baby me through that most of the key

[lusty grotto]

you keep SB up, you have 90% effective uptime, just dont get hit in your butt

you cannot block from behind

[tawny ice]

colussus for raid?

[dense cradle]

thane without tier

I sleep

[orchid narwhal]

like im sorta impressed

[lusty grotto]

yes, you need tier for thane

[deft mortar]

Thane tier so beatiful

[lusty grotto]

youre looking at the wrong thing

thats your effective uptime

[orchid narwhal]

ah i see so i was tanking autos 10% of the time

[tawny ice]

oh, I see what you're saying, play colussus until I get tier? I have been playing colussus so far except I think one pull first week

[lusty grotto]

or getting back hit

[dense remnant]

ye was talking about unmitigated, but didnt specify

[lusty grotto]

yes grab the colossus ST spec from wowhead and use that in raid

[deft mortar]

Wonder if colossus may end up more tanky in M+ cuz the cleave bleed self heal

[lusty grotto]

and then colossus M+ vault or push builds

[slate valley]

Till what key level do we take execute build?

[deft mortar]

Thats on ur and healers comfort level

[lusty grotto]

there's no such number

especially now when were still gearing

[tawny ice]

no cleave build?

[deft mortar]

Altho just 1 tank death would nullify most benefits

[lusty grotto]

every colossus spec is a cleave build

[tawny ice]

which one would that be

[mellow bridge]

scroll down a bit

pick up AoE execute if multitarget fight

[lusty grotto]

go to the talent calculator

or there you go

muyuu got you covered

[tawny ice]

thank you

[uncut sparrow]

Anyone else having issues with Loom’ithar tanking? Lining up the beams seems super awkward since you can’t see behind you from an up top view, and the hit box seems oddly small for a boss that size.

[lusty grotto]

the hitbox IS small

that's a common complaint from every single melee

but the aiming is just normal like the gambit dragon

[uncut sparrow]

I feel like beam wouldn’t be as weird with a normal size hit box. I hate rotating all over with the camera to see the spinner things coming in I need to hit.

[burnt laurel]

folks without 4 set is colossus what we should be using?

[arctic citrus]

for m+ collossus is still good pick but afaik i ve heard Mthane is better

[lusty grotto]

for aoe yes

[cerulean tusk]

Doesnt matter much, but sure

[lusty grotto]

if you have 2pc, for ST then thane is better

[burnt laurel]

thx all

[arctic citrus]

Would love to try thane

but i miss Demolish in every way possible 😄

[lusty grotto]

you can go for it

[arctic citrus]

help with maintaining aggro when rets goes full 5x hammers 😄

[lusty grotto]

its just lower damage in keys until you get 4pc

thane snap agro is better than colossus though

even if lower damage

[mighty valley]

demolish is great for threat... if your dps waits til you've gathered. in which case you wouldn't really have a problem to begin with lol

[lusty grotto]

bursty

[narrow jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6WyYqCZDQizvDZu5JZWwHY

[lusty grotto]

yup

[narrow jay]

is the Arcanocore trinket actually as good as the sims say?

[lusty grotto]

yes its decent

im using it

[narrow jay]

awesome thanks 🙂

[lusty grotto]

at least until i get pace + tome

and/or brand

[mighty valley]

so turboboost?

[narrow jay]

oh ya when i get brand its gonezo lol

[lusty grotto]

mayhaps Harrow

you know how my luck goes

the numbers are updated

as of yesterday

ill do more today

[heavy sparrow]

Hope you get mythic track tome tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

i wont, cause i cant open as prot

[tawny ice]

dps wait? 🤣

[strong forum]

good ones do

[marble cipher]

You can't 🤔

[lusty grotto]

i raid as dps

so i gotta open as dps

[marble cipher]

Aaaah, fair

[lusty grotto]

at least until i get a big myth 2h

and/or dps exclusive trinkets

[dusky canopy]

Surely weapon this weak nim

SURELY

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

stinky nitro users with their stinky animated emotes

[urban bane]

wait i thought that was a server emote

[dusky canopy]

Pay 3$ a month for fun chatting?

Worth

[urban bane]

is nitro required?

D:

[jagged pier]

that will be them on reset with the nerf bat

[dusky canopy]

I’m so excited to read the warrior nerfs across all 3 specs

[jagged pier]

the only things im epxecting are warrior nerfs to at least prot and pres evo nerfs

anything else who knows, blizz doesnt, they'll just spin the wheels

[dusky canopy]

Thane Thunderblast damage reduced by 15% (fury catches stray)

[lusty grotto]

brew your mom said that you should delete that

[cedar egret]

hopefully they nerf us by nerfing execute lmao

best case scenario

[lusty grotto]

id rather they didnt

id rather they nerf tier instead

[jagged pier]

that would be the worst scenario

dont nerf execute its a fun button

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

I’d rather they add more damage since warriors brought specifically for doing damage and that’s it

[cedar egret]

neither sound or animation are fun to me tbh

[rough egret]

Numbers are fun tho

[dusky canopy]

This guy doesn’t like execute

plays warrior

[cedar egret]

yeah it has been pretty weak for other specs and its my first time playing prot

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

for other specs?

for other warrior specs?

[cedar egret]

fury and arms yes

[lusty grotto]

pretty weak?

are you sure youre playing the same game i am

[cedar egret]

play fury thane and tell me how strong is execute

[lusty grotto]

are you on retail

i do play fury

execute is strong enough that it overtakes in priority at execute range

the cd is dumb but it still fucking trucks

especially since 2pc buffs it

and arms execute has never been week this expansion

ever

the spec is dead but execute is not weak

[solid sun]

If you had to guess a ballpark fraction, how much of the player base would you wager gets aotc any given season

1/3?

[high latch]

I don't think that many even raid at all

You underestimate how many casuals there are

[jagged pier]

15-20% maybe, probably less

[solid cargo]

Yea the majority of the player base doesn't even step into a single key