protection

[lusty grotto]

block is capped

[elfin burrow]

Nice thanks, where do you have that formula from? Its so hard to find information about block mechanics it feels like

Any resources I could use?

[lusty grotto]

https://tanknotes.com/resources/armor-block/

block and crit block formulas havent changed

k values are on different sites, they vary season by season and by difficulty (mythic vs heroic vs world, etc)

the rest of the info is somewhat relevant but can be outdated, armor info is more revised in the dreamgrove site iirc

the only way block could do 100% mit WAS with spell block (and it needed to be a crit block)

but, well

[frosty mango]

Man tanknotes

What a throw back

[cerulean kite]

When does block get diminishing returns? I think mines over capped rn at 34%

[orchid narwhal]

Ok im sorry for asking this question cuz I knwo its 100% been askd but no matter how I search for the answer I can't find it on wowhead or in seraching replies, but when do i replace 4p from last season, can i break at 2+2?

[hardy snow]

You can sim yourself, depends on ilvls of new gear.

[lusty grotto]

never

overcapped on block is not a thing in retail WoW

and what youre describing is block chance

which is irrelevant given that shield block is 100%

block is as simple as: get the shield with the highest ilvl because it is the only upgradeable source of block value

block chance we dont care about

[orchid narwhal]

Noob question #2 cuz I checked icyveins and it doesn't say, neither does wowhead but what exactly do I sim if not dslice for M+

1 boss 5 target?

[warm plinth]

Patchwerk 5T 1.5 min for AoE, Patchwerk 1T for 3 min for ST

[orchid narwhal]

ty boss

[small steeple]

its so beautiful

the feral druid got it

and gave it to me

[lusty grotto]

nice gz!

[small steeple]

honestly pretty lucky

thanks though

[undone beacon]

at least i got something out of this normal reclear

[round vortex]

I'm curious about that ring. Naturally we want it from the stats even without the effect.

But should a guild prio tanks or squishy DPS for that. (assuming both have the DH boss boots)

[pallid quiver]

Realistically,

whoever gets a higher DPS gain off of it

In raid, that is not at all going to be like a make or break effect for survival with how damage ends up coming out

[round vortex]

I mean, damage trumps everything anyway. Sorry I should have said all things being ballpark the same

WHats the most ideal use of that effect. Who is the design of that ring intended for

[buoyant olive]

How much haste is too much haste for prot?

[mighty valley]

Like... 27000 rating

[final compass]

Is there a full defensive talent build for Mountain Thane?

[lusty grotto]

yes

the wowhead ones

wowhead has both push (defensive) builds and dps builds

for both hero talents

[final compass]

I guess I meant for raid not M+

I should I have been more specific.

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing

raid will not slap you as hard

[final compass]

Interesting

[lusty grotto]

but if youre worried

just swap massacre for BSV

thats it

[final compass]

Yes I am haha I am going into the raid on an under geared prot warrior

Should I swap anyhting to get Fight Through the Flames and Last Stand?

[lusty grotto]

no

you dont need those

if youre in an undergeared warrior you need all the damage as to not troll your other tank

[final compass]

Im 666 ilvl going into heroic with s1 gear on lmao. I really think I do.

[lusty grotto]

no you dont

craft a shield and a weapon and youll be fine

[final compass]

I have 668 ilvl main hand and 684 shield from LFR of the raid

[drowsy shale]

shieldwall the appropiate busters and keep SB up youl b fine

[lusty grotto]

nothing that you mentioned will have any impact

just play well

thats it

last stand is useless

4% MDR will not do a whole lot of difference

[final compass]

Okay ty. lol I havent played warrior since prepatch for Legion when I swapped to maining paladin

[lusty grotto]

use your cds, and youll be fine

keep SB up

use SR and/or Wall on busters

use IP at 70+ rage

thats it

[lusty grotto]

ive unlocked peak fury gameplay

got meleed by dimensius in p3

bonk

[restive oak]

did you down him yet?

[lusty grotto]

yes

thats the kill

heroic though

[restive oak]

nice we did too

yeah

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[undone beacon]

man, i fucking hate Halls of Atonement

That big pull + lust to start is trolling i swear

[undone beacon]

grats. We got held up on nexus king, sadge

[cursive needle]

Who is wearing the Ceaseless Ire in m+? is it good?

[lusty grotto]

yeah its S-tier

my biggest peeve in hoa is the double back

its such a gigantic waste of time

even in SL i thought the same

[fallow fern]

Do you guys still play in battle stance? or def stance? or switching back and forth?

[lusty grotto]

dstance

all of TWW has been in dstance

since they removed the dps penalty

[shrewd grove]

Raid reclears/Weeklies in bstance. Push keys/prog raid in dstance

[solid sun]

We got held up on the soulbinder

[rich dragon]

Dimensius fucking sucks to tank

[lusty grotto]

it sucks to melee too

[vocal roost]

In m+ if tank pulls nice groups but dps die or healer cant keep group up, but tank survives all solo till they run back, whos fault is dying

[lusty grotto]

depends

what specific pull is it

and what packs did the tank grab - key level might be important as well

[undone beacon]

how tho what

smh my damn head

did you get loomy down at least?

[torpid dome]

And are the casters being stopped

[lusty grotto]

[foggy glade]

tagged the wrong person

but with yall help i got 3k

ty

[rough egret]

ggs

[distant meadow]

for prot, was the best combo to use between Sacbrood, Seaforium Pacemaker, and So'leahs Secret Technique? They're all ilvl 704

[neon elk]

Pace and soleahs assuming their are same ilvl

Och wait it sac not swarm, sim it

[distant meadow]

"sim it" is the answer i assumed id get lol

[neon elk]

Ill personaly just run sac and pace as it is more equip and forget , but if u wanna real answer its gona be sim

[mighty valley]

Yeah when they’re all just passive stat sticks, hard to have any other answer

Probably sac and pacemaker tho

[distant meadow]

thanks gentleman

[restive oak]

i use pace and brand usually

[lusty grotto]

best combo is brand + tome

pace is great but its only if you dont raid

i do hate soleah

sometimes there's just no haste or crit people in party

well, hate is a strong word

its inconvenient

[torpid dome]

If I'd get any 😢
Also no brand on both normal and heroic soul hunters

[crystal gale]

Hi all. New to tanking/warrior. question…and sorry if this has been answered many times. Is there any reason to avoid macroing shield block to all your rotational spells? Seems like a good idea to me. But maybe I’m missing something.

[torpid dome]

talking about macro's;

Which one do you use? cast at feet or on mouse?

[restive oak]

all my buttons press every other button

[rough egret]

bad idea

[restive oak]

i just use 1 button rotation

[rough egret]

you need to learn managing your rage

[lusty grotto]

you never want to do that, even bears shouldnt bind IF to everything

you will cap out SB duration, you will cancel any rage you gain

absolute bad idea

[crystal gale]

Ok thanks very much for the response. I didn’t realize sb had a cap

[lusty grotto]

duration cap

but yes

its 3x times its duration

just like bears have an armor cap

and shouldnt spam IF

[crystal gale]

Gotcha

[lusty grotto]

but to be fair, bears dont have a lot of ogcd spenders

so i understand their reasoning, i still think its a terrible fucking idea though

[crystal gale]

But aren’t you slamming ignore pain at rage cap even though ip is full? Kinda the same deal right?

[lusty grotto]

no

its not the same thing

SB is infinately more valuable

[crystal gale]

Huh?

Not talking about sb

[lusty grotto]

but i am

SB is infinitely more valuable than IP

therefore its ok to use IP as a rage dump

its duration and amount does not matter

[crystal gale]

Sorry I was comparing ip to druids iron fur

Since you brought that up

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

its kind of similar sure

in that way at least

its still bear's maintainable mit though

but again, theres rage you want to use on gcd spenders instead of going over armor cap

whereas with at least Mountain Thane, you only have execute because revenge is very low prio

colossus is more akin to bear i would say

[torpid dome]

im constantly parsing 95+ on healing done because of IP dumps

[lusty grotto]

except you prio revenge instead of IP

[torpid dome]

I should IP less I think lmao

[lusty grotto]

as long as you're doing it at 70+ rage, youre fine

[torpid dome]

im parsing 80+ on dmg, so guess im not loosing a lot

[lusty grotto]

parsing this early in the season doesnt mean a lot

[torpid dome]

true,

last wednesday I was parsing everything 95+ with most of the normal raid on 98+ lmao

but that was mostly because I had my 4-set and I recon a lot of warriors didn't have their 4-set yet

[lusty grotto]

tuesday parses are always 100s (or wednesday if youre EU)

if youre competent

they go down as the week goes by

especially when there's power gain on the reset

if you check em again, youll see

[torpid dome]

nah they're still big

this was normal

[lusty grotto]

ah makes sense

[torpid dome]

heroic we are 6/8 rn

apparently my performance dropped on the last 3 bosses lmao

But tbh that's because those fights felt more hectic so needed more foucs

[lusty grotto]

[torpid dome]

also I hate those soul hunters

half the fight im trying to figure out wtf is going on

https://tenor.com/view/panic-spongebob-patrick-scared-running-gif-7888576

this is what the entire fight feels like lmao

[lusty grotto]

it be like that sometimes

[torpid dome]

and of course, no brand of ire

[lusty grotto]

im probably not gonna get one for a while cause my guild has a lot of key tanks

so im ok with it

more reason to keep farming these 2

[rough egret]

sometimes I forgot which one I tanked, lucky even on HC its free and you can take both tank busters 😄

[torpid dome]

yeah with our guild we have 2 main tanks, we hold priority over brand of Ire I think
Some others do some off-spec tanking, but usually they do it on alts

[torpid dome]

yep

Hear the other tank say "tank swap"

to notice that both are on him

[rough egret]

cus their names are so similar 😄

[torpid dome]

fck which one should I take

lmao

but the fight was pretty free indeed

chaotic but we one-shot it

[rigid hull]

is x2 focusing lens still good

[torpid dome]

yeah thats true

but I just want one of the bis trinkets lmao

[rough egret]

i must say, besides that I still only have 2p, my luck was fine, got brand week1 from normal, and weapon from vault, but im still rocking Tome from last season 😄

[torpid dome]

sick

yeah for me I completed 4-set week 1

but no decent trinket syet

rocking swarmgland & signet of the priory right now

[neon elk]

What a wild combo

[echo egret]

Why would TopGear suggest to take rings with higher ilevel but that massively drop my haste (40% -> 33%) ?

[pallid quiver]

Technically, DPS wise, there's a point where haste is less valuable compared to crit

Often times, it can be actually before you would want to drop haste

[idle copper]

On Soulbinder , the stacking debuff he does Mystic lash.

How long does it take to drop off and do the off drop off together or is it staggered?

[torpid dome]

haste after 21k has a big soft-cap

so you aim for 21k, then just focus other stats after

and in general, +ilvl > correct stat distribution

in terms of dps

[rough egret]

more stats > less stats 😄

[torpid dome]

exactly

and only when you're comparing items with equal number of stats to each other, you actually look to stat distribution

[frosty mango]

It’s a channel that applies a stacking dot

The dot lasts for 45s

In heroic at current gear levels you can take up to 3 sets (third set is very suspect)

But there’s really no reason to not swap

But remember to swap AFTER the channel is over bc I’m pretty sure both dbm and a liquid auras tell to taunt too early

[daring dust]

this is byfar my fav fight with free and cleave executes, im competing with 707 dps

was like 5th on dps last kill

[torpid dome]

Ye my dps was kinda crap last time on them due to some bad positioning

For cleavinh I like Naazindhri better 🥲

[ocean smelt]

Still no sign of a nerf 🧐 Did we actually survive the RTWF?

[jagged pier]

The tune over the weekend? When they arent in the office?

[torpid dome]

tuning will happen next few weeks

[hardy python]

has anyone done campaign skips since 4/5 came out? The dude dosent have the skip

[torpid dome]

Im hoping if they're nerfing dmg, they will make our survivability a bit better again for magic dmg

[small garden]

the first dude in the city after you travel? it should have

[hardy python]

4/5on main

[ocean smelt]

Ah yeah it's not monday yet in the US, fair enough

[torpid dome]

are there actually signs already of tuning that will happen? devs that talked? or nah

most 'big' tier lists are ranking us 3rd or 4th best tank, based on that other tanks just bring more utility, even though we dmg like mad men

[jagged pier]

Tier lists mean nothing to bliz or you as they are opinion based

Logs which show damage do matter too bliz and we a fair bit ahead of other tanks

[torpid dome]

true for sure

but in that sense, in the rework they did want to give us more dmg as trade of for losing spell block
so I guess they want warrior to do more dps than other tanks

question is more so, how much more

[jagged pier]

No they didnt they never said that, they jist happened to give us more damage

There was no trade

They took spell block away because it was too powerful, when they forgot to make things unblockable which is totally on them, but removing it means they dont need to try

[torpid dome]

oh I thought I heard that somewhere from one of the discussion threads and such

[jagged pier]

Ppl like to make things up

[daring dust]

but is a nerf expected? i mean would rather have other tanks buffed

[jagged pier]

Its easier to nerf 1 than buff 5

[daring dust]

i like competing with dps and never die:(

[jagged pier]

Its our teir set that needs touching tbh not us

[zenith aurora]

I’d love buffs instead but I’d suspect a nerf based on history

[torpid dome]

yeah this for sure

[zenith aurora]

Buff blood and bear and leave it for a few weeks to see data

[torpid dome]

4-set is drastically overtunes

[daring dust]

yea i got 4p last night, got free like 1.5m more overall

[torpid dome]

but, when you look at all classes, also DPS classes

all 4-sets seem overtuned

[daring dust]

beating most dps in my group single target too is insane

[torpid dome]

That I have not done yet

single target I can usually hit 2,2 - 2,5m dps

most actual decent dps'ers should be able to easily exceed that

in the raid I've had a couple of guys who are slacking behind me, but they are parsing absolutely artrocious as well

[daring dust]

first boss streets last night i did like 3.5m, i was shocked, trinket and ionizing strikes carried, above 2 of the dps

trinket from soulhunters is busted

[torpid dome]

yes I dont have the trinkets yet

3,5 is quite good ye

[daring dust]

my overall is thunder blast on top ofc, then ionizing strikes 2nd, trinket 3rd

[torpid dome]

but still the point stands, usually if a dps is behind me

it's usally still because the dps is performing not too good

(like max 30 parse or something)

[daring dust]

yea for sure, just barely timed a 13 dawn yesterday where i was 2nd on overall and i was like "yeah this is busted" but in reality the dps are just not doing well, very obvious when you actually get good dps

then you feel like you're doing regular tank dmg again haha

[torpid dome]

yeps

well still then you see we're busted

as tank we should not do 70% dps from a regular dps

more like 50-60% ish?

[daring dust]

actual good dps make me feel like doing 8m dps is small when they burst 30m lol

[sharp merlin]

I pugged an 11 HOA and realised how horrible dps on average are 😂

[torpid dome]

yeah lmao

[sharp merlin]

so glad I play with a 5

I couldn't imagine the horrors doing this season pugging

[torpid dome]

last week I was in a +10 prio with a feral druid, man he was popping 30m+ dps on some packs

[torpid dome]

for pugging prot is now one of the best tanks imo

since we deal dps-tier damage, we compensate for the fact that our dps dont do dmg

[sharp merlin]

Yes, but it's pugging which has me watching casts go off, people not using ccs, people not doing damage

[daring dust]

exactly, i mained dps last 8 years, quit raiding and mained tank last 7 months, been a real eye opener, to see how insanely carried some dps players are in this game hahah

[torpid dome]

this prio was full pug, people letting all bolts go through etc, on final boss BL came too late as well T.T

The arcane mage was just not doing enough damage either

[sharp merlin]

yup, I said to myself if I'm pugging solo, I'm quitting the game

it's been super refreshing doing 13/14's with capable players

[torpid dome]

depends on the key

all my pugs this week on +10 prio I was able to easily time them

even with braindead pugs

on other keys, im less familiar with the dungeons (tavazesh, HOA)

[sharp merlin]

What I don't get is, why don't people actually try and make teams? I see on the forums all the time players complaining about pugging, why not just stop? I put up a 12 key the other day whilst waiting for the 5th to hop online, over 200 applicants within seconds, and people whipsering me begging to be let in

Sitting in Dornogol as a DPS player trying to get into keys must be hell

[torpid dome]

because when making teams, people tend to pick & choose even more than during pugs

due to the chaos of pugs, there's still a chance that a 'bad dps' gets through and gets an invite I guess

also ease of comfort

people just wanna hop on, start playing

[sharp merlin]

by team I mean, networking and playign with good players lol

and getting them into comms

[torpid dome]

instead of trying to look for a team with comms

[sharp merlin]

much, much easier to time keys and smash them with comms

[torpid dome]

yeah but thats exactly the reason why a lot of people dont necessarily do that

when im pugging I put on some music, dont want the rest of my pugs on comms lmao

Comms I do with friends when I push keys

[sharp merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-monkey-listening-to-music-lilychouchoucore-gif-7518103551635112873

[torpid dome]

yes

but less zen

[sharp merlin]

much less 😂

[torpid dome]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-gif-22919457

[daring dust]

how much dmg you guys doing in dawn?

[torpid dome]

I had 2m dps over the course of a +10 dawnbreaker

but honestly im unsure if that was with 4-set

[winged rampart]

what do we think about using sparks to craft a weapon

[torpid dome]

think that was still 2-set

[torpid dome]

I crafted shield first, weapon 2nd

[daring dust]

this was so close to untimed, dps being bad is at fault right? route was fine

[torpid dome]

ah yes, 2m dps with 2-set

[torpid dome]

i mean.. I guess...? Could also be route, could be too small pulls

[distant meadow]

got to remember with rogues they dont like us chain pulling

[torpid dome]

Not actually sure what dps DPS get usually on there

what dit the dps guys parse?

[torpid dome]

lmao I got flamed last week by a rogue because of it

[pastel geyser]

What lvl id this? For 12 id say its ok

[torpid dome]

"you made me lose 350m damage"

🥲

[pastel geyser]

I timed with similar dps

[winged rampart]

seems like the biggest power bump on my char. might wait for teh vault first tho just in case

[torpid dome]

yeah that makes sense

[distant meadow]

not surprised at the least

[daring dust]

was pretty big packs, just lasted so long

[daring dust]

12 yea

[torpid dome]

after I get mythic weapon and shield later, I'll switch to crafted bracers and belt

[blazing ridge]

I think I had a 4,3 or 4,5m overall dawnbreaker 11

but it depends on how good your other dps is

if other dps are good your overall will be better

[winged rampart]

dawnthread on shield?

[blazing ridge]

no dont

[wispy moth]

wrists and belt for embellishment

[torpid dome]

I have yeah

[pallid quiver]

i mean, i did dawnthread on my shield, since i can just recraft it off later

[torpid dome]

if you craft shield and weap first, it will take another 4 weeks before you craft belt + bracers

when you craft bracers + belts

that is when you start movign your embellishments

[torpid dome]

exactly this

[winged rampart]

seems kind of a non-optimal use of the big 720 stat budget no? im not expecting to take this char into mythic or even heroic raids any time soon so wont be getting that ilvl anywhere except once a week from vault

[torpid dome]

once per 2 weeks, you get 0,5 sparks per week

but I would 100% recommend to embellish your first 2 crafts, and then just recraft later

[winged rampart]

i was talking about vault gear there, not sparks

[torpid dome]

oh yeah

you're getting 1 myth piece per week, unless you start doing myth raiding

[winged rampart]

aye

[torpid dome]

This was a +8 prio last week
Did 4,3m overall dmg on priory

but the dps guys were atrocious lmao

they should be doing loads more

[winged rampart]

so seems smart to do my crafts on the pieces w biggest stat budget, i guess the advice to do belt/bracers assumes you have access to mythic raid gear. but idk :)

[torpid dome]

belt / bracers is just optimal after you have mythic tier weapon and shield

[winged rampart]

now watch me craft and immediately get a shield in the vault

[rough egret]

thats with 4p? 🙂

[torpid dome]

yessir

[vast epoch]

Looks like normal dmg amount made for a priory 8? Its just spread differently with warrior pump in grp i think

[rough egret]

did an +8 this morning and had same number but with 2p only :/

[vast epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477924727797710878/1409251743111450644/image.png?ex=68ad5c36&is=68ac0ab6&hm=a825320cf77f2fa6e171a122f4d0c4b9058c39c61421650db754ffb68037ea41& this is same dmg amount made almost just with DH tank in priory 7 when i went mage

So it looks a bit thicker on DPS in my pic than when i would have had a prot warrior in grp, doesnt mean the people are atrocious then

[daring dust]

did 5.6m in a lil priory 7, very fun

[winged rampart]

yuge

[ocean smelt]

Well tbh on a monday I wouldn't craft anything before the vault

[winged rampart]

im EU but yea for sure still gonna wait

[ocean smelt]

I'm EU too

Still wouldn't do anything before wednesday

[marble cipher]

And, even if you craft a shield, just open vault in Fury/Arms spec then, if you wanna avoid a shield

[ocean smelt]

Would also be potentially missing out on a myth tome tho

[winged rampart]

and get a 2h yeah yeah i'm on to you

[marble cipher]

Haha

Myth tome is the reason I'll keep opening in prot, that's true.
But the moment I see three myth shields in that row, I'll go cry a bit in a corner.

[winged rampart]

patience is a virtue

[vast epoch]

Yeah dude was just trying to flex while not being very good himself if that was 4p thane, 3 different meters but unable to understand them

[torpid dome]

? Way to assume? Was not trying to flex, just showing some comparison to dps.
My dps is not the best, so dps being below that is not great either

but as MT you do compensate.

[vast epoch]

If i would compare my pic to yours by your logic then you are all shit

[torpid dome]

Good for you then I guess lmao, just dont be an ass about it 🤷‍♂️

[vast epoch]

You call people atrotious without a clue i add my 5 cents in public discord. Not an ass about it

[torpid dome]

Maybe shouldn't have called them that indeed, true. Guess we were both an ass about it.

but still, unless you were in the key, you'd either have to take my word for it that they weren't too good.
Or you don't take my word for it. Either works for me lmao

[torpid dome]

thats v big 😮

I'm def not able to get in those ranges yet lmao

[daring dust]

i can call someone bad at a game while being bad myself tho

[torpid dome]

yeah but I take the point

calling someone bad is something else as calling someone artrocious

artrocious might've been a bit harsh

[daring dust]

yea well its just a way of saying bad lol

i dont say "those dps were just okay" after not doing very good dmg haha

just a jokingly way of saying they werent very good

[marble cipher]

I can live with sub par DMG dps pugs to be fair. Seeing them use their kicks/stops/utility at good moments makes up for lower dps.
If they just full on tunnel, and then still do 'questionable' dps, that's a different story

[torpid dome]

this was the case unfortunately lmao

luckily it was only a +8

[marble cipher]

Mind you, 80% of the keys I run are with friend groups on comms this season, so luckily I don't pug all that often

[daring dust]

so true last streets i did, a havoc did lower overall then me but were super useful in starting and doing all rp's and so many stuns, interrupts etc, he was an absolute king

[torpid dome]

Yeah same

I only pug when I wake up early in the weekends

team not online, if I need to do some keys

or like now want to farm that tome trinket

[marble cipher]

Yeah, I love people like that

[torpid dome]

I just pug some keys

[rough egret]

im bad too 😄 and im thinking that my mouse is broken, i have IP on scrollwheel and it doesnt work sometimes.. 😄

[daring dust]

but as tank you see way more right and come across these insane dps players standing in everything, not interrupting or stunning, yet do low dmg and complain about low healing

idc about dmg just as long as a player makes up for it in being useful

[torpid dome]

I think if you hit 4,3m dps overall on a dungeon clear with only 2-set, you can't consider yourself bad anymore lol

even if you do have decent trinks

[daring dust]

just small things even, like stunning fleeing mobs, interrupting so healer gets leeway to dps, stunning to keep the floor clean, starting rp, pushing to group easier, baiting correctly etc etc

[rough egret]

okay, well I would say that im more greedy with rage usage then 😄 like I definitelly need to work on my SB uptime

[torpid dome]

100% true

[swift veldt]

Which dungeons are hardest to tank in this season in your opinion? I timed db 12 and goal for next one or two weeks is to time all 12s and i want to prepare myself

[rough egret]

even if you do your job 100%, there are 4 more players that can ruin it for you 🙂

[daring dust]

real

[marble cipher]

My SB uptime is very good, until my execute button starts to light up, then the dps lover in me takes over and I sometimes catch myself being without shield block.
But hey, if mobs are dead, they can't hit me!

[rough egret]

exactly 😄 thats my point of being greedy 😄

[torpid dome]

lmao

[rough egret]

12s are not that hard, practically they are easyer than 11s and 10s, you dont have to play affix

[ocean smelt]

I never got the argument of "having to play affix" tho, I mean they are so easy it barely counts as even "play" and they give you a huge dps boost

No way this makes the key harder 🤣

[torpid dome]

yep, most affixes are quite easy

but during chaos, an additional 'easy' mechanic, can cause wipes

[daring dust]

priory in my opinion, just an overall mid dungeon, players are devided in routes, oneshot interrupts, and annoying uninterruptable casters, + miniboss before last boss is pain for healers
and personally dont like first big pull in ara kara

[lunar flare]

Kids these days won’t ever experience getting thundering during a mechanic that forces everyone to spread

Or getting quaking when you had to group stack

[torpid dome]

Usually on Ara kara I play safe, just pull to bottom of stairs

then pull to big spider

[daring dust]

i want season 3 shadowlands affix back, encrypted

[lunar flare]

Encrypted was based as fuck

[daring dust]

HUH

it was free bl

[rough egret]

yeah love when ppl killed speed orb all the time 😄

we fast

[lunar flare]

Get invis an charge down the long corridors in DoS, very fun

[daring dust]

when people learned to target haste it was soo fun

[swift veldt]

Jesus, yesterday i realized people sugfest going right in priory and i cant get IT to have shit ton of aoe swirls on deilcry lmfao

[daring dust]

exactly, just dont understand why people prefer that

[solid sun]

Just dodge them

[rough egret]

that dance is okay, the casts are one shots in high keys

[solid sun]

Easy

[jagged pier]

its because the top players go left

for some reason

[torpid dome]

same,
I keep going left side on prio

[rough egret]

i usualy say before we start that im handling boss interrupt and let dps do the mob

[torpid dome]

might be slightly slower

but I just prefer the ease of the route over 30seconds speed gain

[jagged pier]

left is faster but harder

because less footman

[torpid dome]

left faster? I thought right, because left miniboss casts recurring shields

[jagged pier]

pugs should go right dps and healer handling fireball

is a joke

[swift veldt]

Seen so many people getting stun from deilcry and swirl under them oneshot, that's why i dont understand that

[ocean smelt]

Honnestly I go left because I've been doing that all season 2, I have no idea what mobs even exist on the right side and I'm too lazy to try

[torpid dome]

hmm ive had little problems left tbh

[rough egret]

I still dont like the gather on first pull.. had som many wipes there last season..

[jagged pier]

that cant happen unless they arent moving at all the mechanics no longer over lap

that was the only reason u didnt go right last season

was because at one time in the fight it did overlap

[daring dust]

i love left, easy packs when interrupted, big aoe blast on mini boss, not annoying swirlies on main boss

[jagged pier]

how are those swirlies annoying at all

[swift veldt]

Well, yesterday i did my 1st ten going right, i wasnt playing much and didnt get prio from my own key so i have mixed feelings after S2 i guess

[jagged pier]

u wait for 2 and move

and theres tones of space

[torpid dome]

yeah I need some practice with it as well

[daring dust]

i mean nothing on the ground is annoying for me, but many dps just fuck up somehow, making it annoying, then complain about "wrong side>:(" when hello, its a dungeon made for 2 routes

[torpid dome]

but usually people start too soon with dmg or healer throws a heal and gets some aggro or something

the gather is very spread out

[quaint rune]

anyone know of an addon to auto report this shit?

[jagged pier]

well they need to heal because the sharpshooters shoot random ppl

[torpid dome]

yeah true

[daring dust]

about that why tf should healers get aggro from healing tank, makes no sense

[torpid dome]

need to check how others gather that pull consistently

[rough egret]

usually I clap first pat, leap to first knight pat on right with avatar, tblast them, charge to mi right pack, blast there and charge to miniboss and move to corner

[ocean smelt]

Mostly I throw some thunderclaps along the way, using avatar starting from second pack

[swift veldt]

And getting back to my question, cause some1 said 12s aint hard. Damn, i have both 1h and shield 720, overall ilvl is almost 700 and 4set. And yet sometines i feel like a overcooked noodle with those hits at 12... Skill issue

[ocean smelt]

Yeah exactly that

[quaint rune]

i start with shield charge

[daring dust]

i had a skill issue in a 12 street, managed to forget shield block and felt like a noodle, so sadge

with normal rotation and everything up i feel like a brick wall, hp not moving in the slightest

[torpid dome]

yeah I think I just need to do more consistent claps in there indeed

[acoustic cloak]

Whats like the best tip for doing chain pulls as warrior? i feel like ur not building aggro as fast as for example pally or dh

[rough egret]

clap clap and more clap

[acoustic cloak]

Like charge in, thunder clap, charge next pack (u dont have thundrrclap) heroic leap?

[wispy moth]

You dont, always charge + shield wall and TC/TB to get threat. YOu can shield charge in melee, cant with charge

[waxen cradle]

Yeah gotta give them 👢 🍵 👏

[quaint rune]

i do it on that pull just for shieldblock while im running to the stairs

[rough egret]

dont be afraid to use Shield Wall, we play with 2 charges, and it recharge prety damn fast due to AM

and ill say same thing, there are 5 ppl in the group, interupt casts, use stops etc you cant beat them all alone 🙂

[quaint rune]

after many keys, iv learned to hold my kick until the pugs have ran through all their hard cc stops before pressing their interupt lol

[rough egret]

like im not pushing cus i dont see the point now, and I dont have much time to play, but I already did 12 in ara and gambit, and couple 11s too

and i dont even have 4p to blast...

[torpid dome]

yeah shield wall is big

it's sucha useful cooldown, and back so fast nowadays due to the 2 charges of it

S1 we only had 1 charge right?

[acoustic cloak]

no

was 2

[jagged pier]

we used the other talent in season 1 before the nuked it from orbit

so we only had 1

[hollow sphinx]

in M+ is there TC > SS?

with 4/4

[jagged pier]

TC never

[torpid dome]

oh, no clue then, had in my mind it was 1

[jagged pier]

TB only if u have 2 charges

[torpid dome]

ahh maybe this was it

[jagged pier]

if u want VB in the business, then its tc at 7 targets, TB at 3-4 or more, TB buffed by set at 2, and only SS on ST

[torpid dome]

but during your pull it's basically SS, TB on cooldown right?

how big is the dmg difference between a champion tier brand of ire vs heroic tier brand of ire, anybody knows?

[rough egret]

abou 0,5%

of overall dmg

we talking about 6 ilvl difference

[torpid dome]

Awesome okay

[steep pivot]

hey, sim for protection or tank spec is the same as dmg?

[torpid dome]

yes simming only really works effectively for dps afaik

[steep pivot]

ok

[ionic nimbus]

You can sim your output but you can not sim your survivalbility

[fallen frost]

hey guys, just ran a sim, I'm using brand of ceaseless ire and mud as my trinkets, Tome is showing as a 11% dps increase for me over the mud obvs, does that trinket actually do that much more damage or is a case of inaccurate sims or something, I know its good but sometimes they can sim better than they are

[rough egret]

+8 that i just did 🙂

[torpid dome]

it's very strong in prio dmg if you use it correctly

[torpid dome]

very nice! 2p still?

[rough egret]

yeah 🙁

[torpid dome]

what are your trinks?

[marble cipher]

4.3M with 2set 👀

[torpid dome]

yeah that's hella big lmao

[ocean smelt]

Tome is a lot of single target dps

It's only single target tho

[fallen frost]

okay thank you guys

[rough egret]

Brand 704 and Tome 684

[torpid dome]

those are kind of big

I'm wondering what my dps will be when I get them

[rough egret]

well i jsut checked what will by mine ST dps once i get 4p 😄

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6E7zm5AVYNR18RhmZaY2Hx

[torpid dome]

most packs I'm doing 5-5,5m dps average

and then on bossfights I do approx 2,8-3,2m dps, so averages out to 4,3m

[rough egret]

20% upgrade over current gear if i get 4p 😄

crazy

[torpid dome]

yeah I think our dmg after will be quite similar

I guess 4p will be a bit bigger upgrade for you than trinkets for me

[rough egret]

684 tome still better than any other trinket at hero lvl.. 😄

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pBy4nrtMbJHGZVfd?fight=1&type=summary if you wanna see log from this run

[terse flame]

For those with 4set and execute build, what does your damage breakdown typically look like?

[daring dust]

this was same key, same key level with 2 set

pretty amazing difference

in thunder blast and ionizing strike

[wild spruce]

Quick question, the #protection-faq channel - the "War Within" link is hidden behind specific permissions?

[terse flame]

Thanks @daring dust I was getting a bit suspicious with my Shield Slam being so low on the breakdown, but seems like I am pressing it enough then.

Your Brand makes me jealous though

[daring dust]

haha yeah got it yesterday, so lucky i was the only one in tank spec cus i rolled a 6 on it

and nobody else could roll hahah

[terse flame]

Haven't even seen it drop so far, on 2 separate characters

In two separate difficulties

[daring dust]

also with 4p you reset thunder blast a LOT, so naturally shield slam gets a bit less casts overall, still slaps tho

just looks a bit worse compared to thunder blast yk

rend, ionizing strikes, lightning strikes and thunder blast all get a bit more dmg from the 4p, so shield slam just disappears xd

[terse flame]

Yeah, I have 4p - but I had a really low DPS group in HoA and I didn't really think about my damage breakdown too much before til I realized that SS was so low down

As I was looking at what buttons were people pressing

At first it was "huh, interesting" and then I got a bit concerned if I am doing something terribly wrong haha

[daring dust]

nuts

[daring dust]

i mean only so much you can do right, if you have the choice between thunder blast proc and shield slam proc, ofc the thunder blast proc matters more, so shield slam begins to lack in overall

so nah you good

of course defensive abilities is top prio, but other then that thunder blast is pressed insta to take advantage of severe thunder buff from 4p, then comes shield slam before normal thunder claps

[nova juniper]

@daring dust am I just a scrub pressing revenge ever? I feel like I miss GCDs without it

[jagged pier]

as thane yer its your lowest prio, u will still press it just not as often

[daring dust]

i barely ever press it, only time i press it in a key is to fish for shield slam procs

like its equal to auto attacks at this point

if not worse

[nova juniper]

Y'all are getting me hyped up to get my 4 piece this week

[torpid dome]

🔥 🔥

[daring dust]

and should be xd lets hope they dont nerf it before then

[rough egret]

hope we dont get hammered down till i get 4p 😄

[shrewd grove]

You should be. It's incredibly fun

[rough egret]

but still even if they nerf it a bit we still OP

[daring dust]

yea it does a ton of dmg, but i love specs that reset abilities such as this 4p, im a gambling addict if you cant tell

played enhancement for years

[wild widget]

Im so lost regarding trinkets. What are our bis trinket for pushing m+ only ?
It’s too early in the season for murlok.io datas to be relevant right?

[lusty grotto]

wowhead.com

prot warrior guide

bis gear -> trinkets

[daring dust]

im not a tank nor prot expert, but heard even in the highest of keys you barely need defensive trinkets, so dmg trinkets is the way to go, to help time the key faster

[wild widget]

Yeah thank you I can read this is why I ask. There is a nice list. But not a « this is the shit for m+ »

[lusty grotto]

those are for m+

and for raid

it the same list

there are no differences

[wild widget]

Thank you for your answer @daring dust 🙂

[daring dust]

brand and tome does insane dmg either way, heard cursed stone idol is ahead of tome in pure aoe burst but maybe cope

[wild widget]

I am running hero tome and idol right now and having fun with them yeah

[solid cargo]

I have idol. Haven't given it a go yet

[wild widget]

But I Also like passive trinket, I wonder where brand and seaforium would stand there

[jagged pier]

u dont block parry or dodge whille channel ido ltho

[solid cargo]

Ew

It's a channel?

[lusty grotto]

brand + tome are absolute bis

1s channel yes

[wild widget]

Try it it’s insanely fun on a big pull but stun pack first as it’s a 1s channel

[daring dust]

tier list is correct tho yea, tome and brand is byfar best combo for dmg

[lusty grotto]

why would it not be correct

[daring dust]

nah im just saying

like of course it would be correct

[lusty grotto]

ty for your answer Tordenklapp

[high latch]

Is Brand super dependent on keeping stacks up, or is it still good if you lose a few here and there?

[solid sun]

I have tome and pacemaker

Just like last season

[lusty grotto]

it has some leeway on stacks management

its not a fast drop like kezan

[wild widget]

lol you so salty man it’s insane

Sorry I asked a question on the Discord class cause i needed clarifications about m+ oriented build

[lusty grotto]

whats this about?

[small steeple]

better than eye of kezan, but still important to keep up

[ocean smelt]

I mean if there was a diffrence between M+ and raid the tier list would usually say so tbf

[small steeple]

only dungeon I would objectively say brand may be bad in is Dawnbreaker, depending on your route

[daring dust]

of course the trinket list is correct, everyone knows that, i just explained the reasoning to him

[wild widget]

My initial question is about a combination for m+,
Im not questionning wowhead guide just asking if murlok.io datas are différent be cause m+ build is différent than raid one of if it’s because it’s too early in the season to have proper datas

[daring dust]

its like asking a math question and only getting the answer rather then explaining why

[lusty grotto]

murlok.io benefits nobody

its an aggregate site

[wild widget]

Yup that is why I asked about it

[lusty grotto]

it only shows what people are copying

that does not mean its the best choices

[solid sun]

I hate those sites

[high latch]

Specifically it shows what the top 50 prot warriors are running, so it can be a good resource, but you need to understand why.

[solid sun]

It seems like all they do is cause confusion

[lusty grotto]

if streamer #1 uses codex, everyone will copy it and codex is a piece of shit

the same applies to archon

[wild widget]

But in some cases it’s really good, for exemple at the end of the season when you realise every top blood dk players are running a différent build than the wowhead one because the writer isn’t as good as he seems to thik he is 🙂

[solid sun]

lol why you talking shit about Mandl

[lusty grotto]

what does "being good" mean?

if the TC is sound, its sound

[neon elk]

Pug friendly strat for dragon in gambit ? Seems like whatever i try they always make mess all over floor and its imposible to hit all 4 mobs from those angles ..

[undone beacon]

I mean, Archon and Murlok are great aggregation tools to see trends amongst the top. Theres of course going to be plenty of fallacy in just copying what those sites show like its the gospel but I always think its intersting to see what the top 50 io players are rocking and see if i can figure out why. Just gotta use some rational thought

[daring dust]

do what you do then talk shit about your pug, seems to work

[jagged pier]

no it just shows that u can run any talents and get away with it in a good group, because high m+ is about group play not talents

[high latch]

You're basically at the mercy of your other teammates. They should stack, and try to keep the dragon as far away from the shore as possible

[neon elk]

Thats what i do for now xd its pain in ass tho that boss

[solid sun]

Have you met wow players. We don’t do rational thought, Pash

[undone beacon]

I always tell people to focus down any loose corsairs because they have like -5 hp. I like the hardmode strat of just tank boss near the water and burst them down but pugs dont

[solid sun]

We have PhD’s in tribalism and flapping our gums

[undone beacon]

If I don't get a brand right now im gonna break my own spine and make 3 reddit posts

[daring dust]

its honestly not your problem if no one in the group understands the boss, its that type of boss that just has to be played a bit better, if your pug ruins the boss for you, it ruins the boss for them too by not playing correctly

[lusty grotto]

that is very true

[native ember]

yea they gotta bet the adds into the cone while u try to set it up roots r op on that fight

bait*

[neon elk]

Yea so nothing to do realy, hopee for some magic safe spot or somehing that makes it trivial

[lusty grotto]

there is none

SL we started in the water

[undone beacon]

Hope your pugs start sucking less

[lusty grotto]

but you cant do that anymore

you just take the dragon for a walk along the wall

on top of fires so people bait closer

[vague mango]

For db I'm looking at my trinket selection. I usually run tome+brand but db has a ton of downtime. Debating between sac/pace/antenna for db, what are people generally running?

[native ember]

u just drag across the mountain and reset back to where u started is what ive found works best but its really up to the ones being focused on add to position properly

[solid sun]

Oh also to answer your question about the raid, we were fine until the leftover adds are released from their canisters and then you group em up for the big aoe. We would die during that

[lusty grotto]

tome + pace probably for DB

its entirely easy to keep brand up on DB though

just bleed a webbed dude

[vague mango]

Oh lol

Tclap rend?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[undone beacon]

Interesting. I just lept into the middle section and challenging shouted the mobs, the other two are easy to taunt

[neon elk]

Yea that drag along mountain is what i do, but ive had runs where i was nearly at end of that side with like 3 sets of fire ..

[daring dust]

jesus

[lusty grotto]

the only big drops are after 1st boss and on last boss

[vague mango]

If I'm able to do shenanigans is it still brand then lol

[undone beacon]

I just wish that it wouldnt drop fire under the tank

[lusty grotto]

and HoA double back i guess

[undone beacon]

yee

[vague mango]

For reference my brand is 691 and still crazy

[undone beacon]

Even with downtime brand is big

[solid sun]

We would group them up just fine but everyone would slowly but surely just get got by whatever. Idk even what

[daring dust]

yea i mean only thing you really can do is try move the boss as little as possible, like edge the fire puddles, other then that blame your group asf

[undone beacon]

Ah, so healer issue then? Just a lot of dam that goes out

[vague mango]

Crazy that I'll be opening prot for my vaults until I get myth tome

[undone beacon]

just get a myth tome first vault 4head

[vague mango]

I got myth db 1h so

I'm happy with that one

[lusty grotto]

not edge of the fire

you want him on top of the fire

that ensures your melee are right next to existing fires

sorry, her

[cerulean tusk]

Captain Dragon boss? Just nuke the adds with passive pad. GG ez

[lusty grotto]

you want people right next to existing fires so they bait closer

fires in africa = bad

and people baiting in africa without stacking = bad

the closer you are to the starting spot, the better

[undone beacon]

Its like the webs on first boss of ara, people get targeted with a circle and flip the hell out

[lusty grotto]

on the last portions of the wall, the fixates are closer so its harder to land frontals

yeah pash

exactly like that, you want to bait next to existing things, not everywhere

[frosty mango]

Dps issue most likely

Need to kick mages and blow adds up quick

The adds should be dead in like 20 seconds, if that

[undone beacon]

We didn't have any issue with that boss so i literally wasnt sure who to blame lol

[vague mango]

Should my db max brand route be house first then?

[hollow sphinx]

do we prioritize execute higher than SS or TB?

[frosty mango]

I offspec that boss bc we cut healers lol

[lusty grotto]

on less than 7 targets yes

well

[hollow sphinx]

is that somewhere written?

[lusty grotto]

you dont really prio over them

cause those are you generators

you cant execute without rage

[vocal root]

So just send execute until you can’t anymore?

[lusty grotto]

but you do execute over revenge

[lusty grotto]

no

starving = bad

[cerulean tusk]

Generators first if not capped, then spender to spend

[vague mango]

Wait if I bleed someone on the db before first side boat does that also maintain stacks

Like one of the side mobs

[lusty grotto]

cat is correct

[vocal root]

Sounds good

[lusty grotto]

i havent tried Marselos

but sounds like a good idea to check

i think they just get nuked after boss dies though

[frosty mango]

You will naturally always come back to slam/clap even if you mess up because you burn rage very quickly

[vague mango]

Sure just trying to get stacks to max for side packs

Bc thats still a time sink

[lusty grotto]

yeah its possible

[undone beacon]

careful about just saying slam or ppl are gonna start using Slam and not Shield Slam

[lusty grotto]

but i cant say for sure

[frosty mango]

[frosty mango]

It does not, I tested this in ptr

[vague mango]

Side note the brand makes my dps players happy bc I'm chaining like a lunatic

[vague mango]

Sad

[frosty mango]

The stacks drop insanely slowly you do not need to do anything special

[lusty grotto]

i did mention that earlier

[frosty mango]

It’s one stack per 3s and you are rarely outside of combat for over 3s

Just pull normally

[vague mango]

Sure, db is just the one dungeon where it feels tricky. Bleeding webbed victims sounds like solution tho

[frosty mango]

I spent tons of time trying to optimize it on ptr and the most I squeezed out was like an extra 4-7% damage

It’s almost negligible, especially given the risk you take on trying to chain

[vague mango]

Gotcha

[frosty mango]

There’s some places where common routes do have inefficiencies, floodgate for example while swampface is spawning, I usually pull crabs there anyway to keep the percentage rolling

[vague mango]

Yeah crab helps my dps players build resource too so I usually grab

Better than sitting there doing nothing

[native ember]

sadge im not getting a brand till the dinar vendor bs

[ocean smelt]

Won mine against my co tank in a deathroll starting at 10 000 yersterday

[torpid dome]

after how many weeks did that vendor come around last time?

[lusty grotto]

its gonna be a long season so

[native ember]

its gonna be like 11.2.5 i think they said ? its like right before legion remix

[lusty grotto]

but the vendor came out on turboboost or whatever its called

[native ember]

something like that and we are getting turbo agai nthis season

so ilvl on gear will go even higher more shit to do

[lusty grotto]

yea

thats why im mentioning it

[rough egret]

Its pugable 🙂 normal and hc are pretty free

[native ember]

i just fucking hate raiding lol

[slender bison]

Any success stories with Ara Kara this season? Seems to be the new Cinderbrew timer wise. One mistake and it's bricked.

I know it's week 2 and DPS need more gear, but damn.

[native ember]

tbf ill prob get aotc for mount and thats it

ara i fucking fell off the edge grouping yesterday in a 10 still timed it ez

[lusty grotto]

dont worry dude i raid myth and im not getting mine in a big while

[slender bison]

I'm in 13-14s bricking keys like mad

Cant overpull start area or party dies. I'll think of a pug route

[native ember]

honestly tho from season 1 i remember ara being a free key idk if they changed times but i think that was like the first 13 i did for 3k push

[lusty grotto]

it was cause youre remembering when everyone got used to it

[solid sun]

AK was never free

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt free at the start

it was aids

[solid sun]

That last boss farmed people all season long

[waxen frigate]

they significantly changed count in ara

[lusty grotto]

that last boss farmed so many idiots

[native ember]

last boss for sure was aids

[waxen frigate]

you need to pull so much more now

[undone beacon]

i dont do the pull to first mini + lust strat in pugs anymore

[lusty grotto]

just pull an extra pack at the start

[undone beacon]

they cant handle it

[slender bison]

This. Plus big bugs have insect swarm now that make the healer sweat

[native ember]

yea thats true i pull way more in the start and in the end then i use to but last boss in way more cheese now cause not everyone gets poision

[lusty grotto]

thats why you go left, like late s1

[native ember]

yea left is the go

[torpid dome]

smooth dungeon, get to last boss with 15 minutes remaining, proceed to wipe for 30 minutes

absolute nightmare fuel with the wrong teams lmao

[native ember]

^^^^^ i remember this at the start

[torpid dome]

no just run to bottom stairs

clear everything gathered

[undone beacon]

I've been doing this

[torpid dome]

then go to firs mini

[slender bison]

Left is the go due to 1 less big bug with insect swarm

[slender bison]

What key level?

[lusty grotto]

you do middle at the end?

[undone beacon]

13s

[lusty grotto]

oof

[native ember]

middle jesus christ

[undone beacon]

Middle at the end is so much count

[lusty grotto]

pash with the big balls

[undone beacon]

70 Forces right there

Just zerg down the big beetle and keep the casters kicked

Its been slight so far

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre not wrong

[mellow bridge]

middle is much easier than it was in s1

[slender bison]

If you're doing mid, do it after boss kill so you can kill only overseers

[torpid dome]

yeah tbh I found the side lanes quite annoying often

[undone beacon]

They changed the big beetle from the weird stun every 5 seconds to be like the other big beetles so

[lusty grotto]

it is easier if kicks are good

[undone beacon]

Its a bloodguard not a hauler which is not as cancer

[undone beacon]

exactly

[plush tendon]

in pull 13, you can pull the 4 workers just to the North

[undone beacon]

The forces from the beetle are part of the route sillybilly

[plush tendon]

free %

[solid sun]

That second pull is scary

[undone beacon]

I was doing that and then a pug pulled the pat with it so i axed it lmao

[slender bison]

I'm doing mid mini boss last for swarm funnel. Yields good results so far

[plush tendon]

[torpid dome]

only if you miss the kick on the fear

[native ember]

as a warrior pulling a bunch of casters is ass if im not on comms with people i swear pugs just sit there let shit free cast zug zugging deeps

[plush tendon]

you can also skip pull 14 as a warrior

[solid sun]

Nah it has like three spider casters in addition to the mini boss

[undone beacon]

Yeah thats the pull I like the least but breaking it up further is sadge

[plush tendon]

that pull is so meh

[lusty grotto]

yeah Rhino is right

thats kind of iffy

[slender bison]

That's a free pull. Funnel for the 2nd boss. It's a meme to skip it

[lusty grotto]

but if kicks are good...

[undone beacon]

We've been throwing lust there

and zerging it

[undone beacon]

it is but its also 48 forces for free

[lusty grotto]

this dumb bear with his good kicks smh my head

[native ember]

honestly the scariest pull for me this season has been the 2nd one in streets so many people die to the lines and beams

[undone beacon]

i mean, we live it and the key is smooth from there or we wipe and thats that

[plush tendon]

just have less pulls 😄

[undone beacon]

so true bestie

[lusty grotto]

kinda wish the box strat still worked

[frosty mango]

I also do mid at end

High value gaming

Doubling back is ass

[ocean smelt]

8

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-fish-pogging-currently-gif-2252544987340524926

Big mid pack gamers

[lusty grotto]

mid pack dn

[native ember]

yo i wonder if they gonna add the boots to that vendor

[ocean smelt]

Hope so

[native ember]

they did put the cloak

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure they will

[undone beacon]

I DPS'ed a 10 streets on my hunter and they went to oasis after 1st boss and pulled like, the entire other side of the dungeon and god I hated that

[native ember]

last season so

[slender bison]

There are two new fun pulls this season:

1. Gambit initial giga pull
2. Floodgate after Swampface sewer LoS pull all the way until the 1st bit guy

[undone beacon]

Neither of those are really new tho

Gambit always did giga initial pulls, esp for venth bear uwu

[slender bison]

It wasn't last season...

[plush tendon]

Gambino always fun

[restive oak]

it was honestly bigger in shadowland i think

[undone beacon]

And the floodgate pull and los the bridge was even easier last season

[plush tendon]

back when we had Desto Lock and Surv hunter

[undone beacon]

Pretty sure it was but then they changed some mob placement so you cant skip as much in last room

[plush tendon]

doing illegal things to packs

[undone beacon]

thems was the days

[restive oak]

yeah, i dont like you cant hug corner and skip big guys at start of last part anymore

[undone beacon]

yeah there used to just be one starseer by the enterance to last room, now theres two so you have to take at least one

[lusty grotto]

box strat!

[undone beacon]

il box ur strat

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

I go right side

Everyone hates me for it

[undone beacon]

gross

[frosty mango]

Then we finish with like 9 minutes left

[undone beacon]

why

[frosty mango]

Because it’s better

[lusty grotto]

i go right side too

[undone beacon]

oh we went way over time

and now i have poor opinions of right side

[frosty mango]

You can get ahead of all of the rp on right side

You just need dps to use brains on packs there

[restive oak]

why is the best night of sleep i've had in forever ruined by ppl working on road :x

[frosty mango]

You can also Los there, learned that the hard way

[solid sun]

Get ahead of all the rp?

[undone beacon]

You can skip the RP on Menagerie on left side, and start the oasis RP going into Postmaster so like

[lusty grotto]

trigger password, by going in

[frosty mango]

Yeah you can start the rp for each boss by going right and lose zero rp time

[lusty grotto]

[eternal oxide]

Is everyone just switching to Thane for M+?

[undone beacon]

I mean you still have to do the whole item swap gimmick right?

[frosty mango]

I start oasis rp and immediately go to mail boss

[lusty grotto]

with 4pc you should yes

[undone beacon]

Cuz you can skip all the rp going left too

[lusty grotto]

without 4pc, you dont

[frosty mango]

Then when mail boss is dead go hit the oasis item swap thing

[solid sun]

Idk how to skip menagerie rp. I’ve gone to that “doorway” while fighting the animals and the rp doesn’t trigger

[restive oak]

i kinda wish coloss was more competitive

[frosty mango]

You can just leave mail boss and go immediately to item with like 5 seconds of downtime

[undone beacon]

Let me find a clip of me doing it

[solid sun]

You do that going left too roid

[undone beacon]

But I do this on left side too, its not a right side exclusive is my point

[solid sun]

You just send someone to start the rp while heading to the mail room

[restive oak]

theres a place you can stand by the cats

[frosty mango]

Yeah but going right lets you skip miniboss in your flow and it doesn’t require you to have anyone run off

[slender bison]

Streets RP is worth of around 90 seconds. The problem is right trash eats away at your BL timings

[heady jetty]

I play collosus, feel mega tanky, doing less ST but just pull stuff on boss and it feels okay

[slender bison]

Street 14 with 704 DPS is just pain to do on right side

[lusty grotto]

you do less all

with 4pc

[heady jetty]

Sure might be a slight grief overall dmg but u should be able to pull bigger imo

[lusty grotto]

no

[frosty mango]

Dunno if I’d say slight but it is indeed still viable

[lusty grotto]

both hero specs are equally defensive

so thats just confirmation bias

[heady jetty]

U lack immovable object, no way MT is as tanky if played well

[lusty grotto]

read its talents

[undone beacon]

Ignore the poor play it was late

[frosty mango]

It’s 100% equally as tanky, if not more so on bosses because fbv does nothing vs a single target

[vague mango]

FBV needs big pull counts to be strong

[lusty grotto]

and 4pc

[vague mango]

tbh the only thing I miss about col is better shock

but I run with a rsham enough where it's not noticeable

[dusky canopy]

Can somebody share that they recently looted tome?

[lusty grotto]

shut up brew

[heady jetty]

Yea, so as i said, bring alot of funnel as often as possible. I just can't with pressing thunderclap 1000 times. Guess I'm biased 😅

[lusty grotto]

no, thats entirely fine

but thane is just miles ahead in damage with 4pc

[frosty mango]

I heard from my sisters friends boyfriends brothers sister that someone got it from a feral Druid

[native ember]

i looted a tome yesterday u just want a screen shot of the trinket????

[vague mango]

this talent actually made me really appreciate mt 4p lmfao

[native ember]

i looked at my runs took 24

[slender bison]

FBV was superior to BrV last season once your IP got deleted in 1 GCD in 16-17s. Now BrV is interesting since you have the next IP buff thing

[dusky canopy]

Yes could you do that please

[frosty mango]

Your name hurts my brain

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-dummy-laughing-pointing-on-you-gif-15125641

[lusty grotto]

that wasnt the case according to Sense

[lusty grotto]

i hate you

ill have a conversation with your mom tonight

[native ember]

wtf?? is it the caps and lower cases was my xbox tag from ages ago

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

No probably my lack of coffee

[dusky canopy]

❤️

[frosty mango]

It’s not you its me

[dusky canopy]

It’s okay friend game knows you’re too good

[lusty grotto]

ill be at least happy if i can get a bracer

[frosty mango]

Guys I don’t know if I can run anymore

[slender bison]

You guys tried TZV hard mode yet? Curious if it can be done with 4 MTs and 1 Rsham

[frosty mango]

My rl asked why I’m wearing a 684 neck

On my monk

[native ember]

everytime i see roidberg i think im seeing my in game name cause my tag is Roidedrage

[undone beacon]

benched

[dusky canopy]

It’s very easy now with gear as long as everyone knows the hard mode mechanics in the group

[lusty grotto]

lmao feelsbadman

[frosty mango]

I have run gambit like 50 times

I’m reduced to playing windwalker because if I tank it or heal it anymore I’m going to contract narcolepsy

[native ember]

lmao

[marble cipher]

might run into dps checks on oasis for breaking the shield, if you run 4 tanks.
"might", can probably do it if you time CD's perhaps.
Other then that boss, I don't think it would be undoable with all tanks

[frosty mango]

Or perhaps roidstack

[warm plinth]

I think I do a lot of keys til I come in here and you folks are doing 50 of one dungeon in 2 weeks

[frosty mango]

Oh

I’ve done more than 50

That’s just gambit

Please send help I’m blinking

[warm plinth]

I said of one dungeon nerd

[native ember]

im a degen ive always said once rwf is over take the cap off crest so i can just max out my shit

[frosty mango]

I can’t read anymore because my brain is leaking from my nose

[warm plinth]

Also just loot the item already

[solid sun]

I can’t imagine doing that many keys of one dungeon this quickly

[warm plinth]

It's easy

Right?

[solid sun]

I’m not built like that

[undone beacon]

i did 6 ara-karas farming a hero piece to put into catalyst and wanted to shoot myself

[native ember]

shit makes you a pro u run that mfer blind

[frosty mango]

Doing a mass amount of anything in life is easy if you have willpower and determination

[undone beacon]

50 gambits would kill me

[warm plinth]

I wanna see you guys get your item in the next run, and then tomorrow it shows up in your vault on myth track

[frosty mango]

This is how it works

Every time

[native ember]

bro i was farming priory my healer friend said that same shit and honestly as annoying as that would be ill gladly take a mythic track tome

[solid sun]

I still have 0pc so I need tier this vault

[warm plinth]

I have one kinda shit trinket on my hunter so I was hoping for signet to drop last night since it's at least decent right

[elfin elk]

I had a boomkin guildie switch lootspec to guardian on last boss priory and get tome

Nearly put a fist through my monitor

[warm plinth]

Imagine my surprise when both drops that run were signet. But neither dropped for me and neither was tradable

[solid sun]

If there’s a weapon, shield, or a tome in there I’ll be pleasantly frustrated

[undone beacon]

I said im not gonna farm a tome cuz i dont even like tome!

[warm plinth]

I just say cool, that slot's done!

[native ember]

i crafted weapon and shield this week gonna have to hard pass unless its just shit rings again shit had me pissed

[undone beacon]

it could always be worse, my bear vault was 2 myth wrists

[warm plinth]

You guys should vibe on my level so you can have less stress in your life

[native ember]

bruh the 4 chest piece i got week run spamming keys i was like wtf im never gonna be able to even get 2 piece tier next week

[jagged pier]

just vibin is easier

[small steeple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[warm plinth]

Not saying I'm better than you to be clear. Just saying you guys seem stressed and I don't want you to be

[undone beacon]

i HATE vibin i HATE having a good time i LOVE suffering

[jagged pier]

stealing me gif

[small steeple]

wrists are important too, mkay?

[small steeple]

yea

[native ember]

rofl

[jagged pier]

which i also stole