protection

[lunar flare]

No heroic guild should be using that, or RCLC

[mellow bridge]

And it will automatically assign stuff like fractillus walls

[tribal wharf]

1/6 correct answers, you fail, see me after class for detention: reason: didnt follow yogi lore correctly

fake ass yogi followerse

GEEZ

[smoky pollen]

You also missed raider.io

[lunar flare]

How often are you taking selfies, yogi

Since you have the camera app on there too

[solid sun]

It takes a lot of selfies to get the right flex pose while holding n64 controllers

[lunar flare]

True

[tribal wharf]

NO

n64 sucks the big one, imho

yes really

[lunar flare]

Why don't you tell us why, Yogi?

[tribal wharf]

i actually do not like nintendo in general very much

aside from price for the older consoles at launch and like a dozen good games

i uhhhh............ i uh feel like most nintendo things are big L's

few game boy models that were nice

camera app is for driveway peeking, since i have blinds

[lusty grotto]

wat

[tribal wharf]

not enough detials to go on for your question, so im skipping it

[solid sun]

Not liking the n64 really hurts your ability to have good opinions

[strong forum]

real

[tribal wharf]

okay, name me a good n64 game that isnt mario or dk or conkers or like waverace

[strong forum]

metroid, the zelda titles, turok

super smash !!

[tribal wharf]

turok is a pretty janky game i will say, but its a classic ya

[strong forum]

pokemon stadium, pokemon stadium 2

banjo kazooie 1 and 2

pokemon snap

rayman

[lunar flare]

Based

[solid sun]

Star Wars rogue squadron

[lusty grotto]

shadows of the empire

[tribal wharf]

its on the bucket list that turok

dont you worry

i still fucking hate the game though

[strong forum]

harvest moon

fuck the n64 had BANGER games

[lunar flare]

"Name me a good game that isn't any of the following good games so I win the argument"

[solid sun]

Star fox

[lunar flare]

Star Fox fucking rocked

[tribal wharf]

well i was going for like, first party nintendo games for it

[lunar flare]

Diddy Kong Racing

[solid sun]

Hell yeah

[tribal wharf]

cuz like, thats what nintendo is is banger games and mid, but cheap consoles

[strong forum]

best OST ever

[solid sun]

Star force Gemini

[strong forum]

uhm

[lunar flare]

So true, I listen to it on the reg

[tribal wharf]

so no shit, mario 64 is going to be good on n64, is what im saying there

[strong forum]

gamecube and n64 were literally peak

nobody cares about the tech

cuz tech didnt matter cuz games didnt lag

they just worked

(atleast on nintendo xdd )

[tribal wharf]

okay, i was willing to pretend about n64 that its slighlty okay, but i cant stand the game cube and its propertery mini discs (psp as well does this umd)

[strong forum]

[tribal wharf]

but i hate gamecube as well, more

[lunar flare]

Nintendo's whole thing back then was using older tech in novel ways. They specifically picked a B&W screen for the original gameboy because it would keep the cost of the hardware down and give it much longer battery life

[strong forum]

gamecube best controller ever designed

nothing will ever top gamecube controller

ever

[solid sun]

It was def a great controller

[tribal wharf]

the controller is fine ya, sure, the price for gamecube is great

[lunar flare]

Didn't the gamecube have analog triggers?

Was pretty cool for the time

[tribal wharf]

i like xbox 360 and xbox series controllers best, genesis dont so much like the box one for nes

kind of jabs into hands

not is bad i just dont enjoy og nes controller

[solid sun]

Oh how did we not mention Goldeneye

[tribal wharf]

xbox one controller is fine but its flimsy as fuck

[lunar flare]

Rare and Nintendo deffo hard carried the N64 tbh

[tribal wharf]

i never liked nintendo because the hardware was literal a generation ago

to what you could get in another console, or a brand new pc

[strong forum]

nintendo was always about gameplay

never anything else

thats why it was tolerated

[tribal wharf]

id go as far to say without DK, mario and f-zero, they are nothing

[strong forum]

if theres nothing that needs teh hardware, there is no issue

[tribal wharf]

pokemon i guess too

zelda, obviously

[strong forum]

"without tzhese multi-billion dollar IPs theyre nothing"

whats xbox without cod and football

halo dies a decade ago

[tribal wharf]

like, ya, lol, i think if they had floated over to microsoft and sony some how

nintendow would be totally dead

[solid sun]

It’s almost like you penalize Nintendo for having great exclusive IP’s that they developed

[strong forum]

"marvel would be dead without super heroes"

[solid sun]

lol

[lunar flare]

Guys did u know

If Blizzard didn't have Warcraft

And Diablo

They'd be nothing??

It's like DPS dying and going "I'd do more damage if I didn't die"

[smoky pollen]

Do people play d4?
I thought it was so bad.

[tribal wharf]

d4bad

there, its out

[solid sun]

I don’t mind it but I’m not a big fan of that genre in general

As far as the genre is concerned it seemed fine

[smoky pollen]

I loved D3
Fate Series will always be certified classics as well

[strong forum]

i have like 500/600hrs in d4

[tribal wharf]

like, okay heres an example i'll put forth, and i already know what the response "im right" will be is

[strong forum]

theyre getting kinda stagnant

[tribal wharf]

name me a bad DOOM game

[lunar flare]

All of them

[tribal wharf]

go ahead i dare you

[smoky pollen]

I think my biggest problem with D4 is it tried too hard to be PoE.
D3 was great because the builds were simple and the gameplay loop was also simple. Just pick talents, go kill demons

[strong forum]

D4 lacks innovation

it made all the initial mistakes that d3 did on launch

then they had to revamp the whole game

turned it into d3

[tribal wharf]

i still only have love for diablo 2 in my heart

[strong forum]

and now lacks identity or innovation

we're about to get the 2nd xpac

[smoky pollen]

Maybe I’d like d4 now if it’s more like d3

I QUITE enjoyed d3

[strong forum]

and the game didnt change

[tribal wharf]

diablo 2 or gtfo

[strong forum]

in like 4 seasons

[tribal wharf]

that game is fucking perfect

[warm plinth]

Are they still doing new seasons of d3?

[strong forum]

like theyre defaulting to the formula of "yeah okay you get to use 3-5 unique powers"

d3 is doing seasons but nothing new

[smoky pollen]

Yogi doesn’t like video games released in the last 12 years

[lunar flare]

Think so ye

[warm plinth]

I like d3 a lot. Fun time waste up to a point

[solid sun]

I just hit the story and then dip

It takes a few seasons for me to return

[smoky pollen]

Kind of what I’m saying. Like you can just do the thing a couple times and waste hours

Couple rifts or whatever

[strong forum]

d4 has like content for 1 day per season

[warm plinth]

I can't see me playing d4 purely because of the skill trees. I cba with that stuff

[strong forum]

its turbo fake

[warm plinth]

Wow skill tree is about as complex as I get

[strong forum]

skill trees are fake

[tribal wharf]

i like a wide variety of games, but not shit ones

[warm plinth]

It's why I can't play poe

[strong forum]

that one is also fake

[warm plinth]

Like I can go through wow trees and generally I end up with the same talents picked as Nome give or take a couple because I can see what makes sense

[solid sun]

I think Poe is massively overhyped

[warm plinth]

And usually those couple end up being our flex points

[lunar flare]

I agree with this. You just end up taking the most optimal build, give or take a couple contextual nodes. I don't see how it's any better than the talent system we had in SL and before

Illusion of choice

[solid sun]

Talents mean nothing to me. I wait for Nome to tell me what’s good and then I learn about a few optional things here, briefly wonder to myself why we can’t just have what we want all the time, and keep it moving

[strong forum]

it looks good as a product

its a "selling point"

[warm plinth]

Same applies to any spec. Even ones ive never played, I can read up on the spec for a minute, then generally put together a build that isn't far off the suggested one. Then I can read why x instead of y and be like oh that makes sense

[strong forum]

thats quite literally waht it boils down do doot

[warm plinth]

Ngl I got scared for a moment reading that midnight talent article because for a second I thought they meant the 10 points could be used in any tree

[strong forum]

90% of trees overlap the important stuff

[warm plinth]

And was like oh dear God

[strong forum]

past that its vibecoding

[solid sun]

I hope our apex point is 360 degree blocking

[lunar flare]

Grok is this true???

[warm plinth]

Yeah I assume the hard part is figuring out the best rotation since depending on spec, there may be weird intricacies. And obviously without proper rotation, even the best talents can sim like ass

[strong forum]

"defensive stance now reduces dmg taken by an additional 4%" - apex talent

[smoky pollen]

It should be

[warm plinth]

"Spell reflect now reflects spells again"

[strong forum]

thats cap af

[smoky pollen]

“Spell Block”

[lunar flare]

Watch them re-add spell block as an apex

[warm plinth]

Lmaooo

[solid sun]

lol

[warm plinth]

Safeguard would be a cool apex to get back ngl

I liked being able to protect people from some things

[solid sun]

Apex turns spell reflect into spell block and the duration is extended by how much rage you spend

Like DK breath build

[smoky pollen]

Apex talent is bloodlust

[warm plinth]

The apex talent is spec right

Not class?

[solid sun]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Ok

[solid sun]

Iirc class isn’t changing but you can spend three additional points in it

[warm plinth]

So if it changes/modifies an ability, hmm

[lunar flare]

Clean p3 pull from echo atm

[warm plinth]

Sadly I doubt we get to use those points in a fun way. Would be kinda neat to have both tr and spear

[smoky pollen]

Jinxed it

[warm plinth]

Instead we'll be like I guess we take intimidating shout?

[tribal wharf]

270 degree is what i wanted, only cant block from directly behind

[lunar flare]

Haha I did

New PB tho

By like 0.2%

[solid sun]

That’s exactly what I was thinking

But I bet it’s like one extra point per gate

[tribal wharf]

but like, also, i would want it to be you can only critical block if you are 180 facing the boss monster, or 90 degree facing it

[smoky pollen]

I can’t remember and someone here surely knows so I don’t have to google.
Midnight will do a stat squish yeah?

[plush tendon]

anyone have a good Streets Route?

gonna be attempting a 14 tonight

and Ive only done a 8

[warm plinth]

Not that I'm aware. Don't think they've mentioned any squishes yet.

[lunar flare]

I heard about this ages ago but haven't seen any confirmation in recent panels

[plush tendon]

[prisma nexus]

M+ and Raid only Mountain Thane is playable?

[mighty valley]

nooooo I don’t want another mid length cooldown

[prisma nexus]

i got 4 set today

[strong forum]

raid - thane
m+ - both

[prisma nexus]

colossus is my fav. to play

[smoky pollen]

Mountain Thane is better but Colossus isn’t atrocious

[mighty valley]

Thane does more damage, up to you if that means colossus is unplayable

[plush tendon]

I prefer Col, but Thane is super nice

[warm plinth]

But harrow, the yoinks!

[plush tendon]

especially when grouping big packs

though I can see playing Col in some keys

[lunar flare]

"We are almost certainly going to do a stat squish again in Midnight when we get there."

[prisma nexus]

i think i give thane a try 😄

ty.

[warm plinth]

What's the point of DR on secondaries if they're gonna keep doing squishes anyway

Remove the DR honestly

Let us have meme end of expansions then squish for the next

[solid sun]

Maybe the apex talent will be a hook

Our own death grip

Imagine the DK rage

[smoky pollen]

We can’t have their raid buff

[warm plinth]

"You now wear your wallet weapon on a chain and can throw it at enemies to spear them and yank them in"

[solid sun]

Yes

[lunar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-scorpion-get-over-here-mk11-mortal-kombat11-gif-17129778

[smoky pollen]

I’m just saying

Warriors should have bloodlust

That is all

[solid sun]

Maybe we can even hit it and yank multiple enemies at a time in a slap like fashion

[warm plinth]

If they did give us bloodlust, it would be in class tree though

[smoky pollen]

Fine with me

[warm plinth]

😏

[smoky pollen]

Should be a native ability to the class

[warm plinth]

I see what you did there

[solid sun]

[lunar flare]

I love yanking multiple enemies at once

[warm plinth]

I love yanking multiple friends at once

To do keys

[urban bane]

ik it is a tale old as time, but sheesh. i gotta remind myself to not invite fotm rerollers. (boss damage in priory)

brotherman was doing last season's damage

[smoky pollen]

Chad Survival Hunter spotted

[lunar flare]

Highest ilvl as well, oof

[warm plinth]

We love us a good surv hunter

[urban bane]

yeah he's my homie and he blasts

[solid sun]

Surv Hunter is boss

I like inviting feral Druids too

[smoky pollen]

Maybe I shouldn’t be playing boomie for alt this season

I do love me some survival

[urban bane]

What i dont get is this guy was saying that he "built for aoe" or something and like... not even bleed build sin rogue with its notoriously ass pure st is that bad

the copium levels

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't play the most boring spec in the game. I agree.

[urban bane]

off the charts man

[smoky pollen]

4 buttons, never thinking, just chucking stars

[warm plinth]

I mean I get it, I play the third most boring spec for a similar reason

As an alt

[solid sun]

BM Hunter is the most boring right

[warm plinth]

No bm is 3rd

[solid sun]

Oh

What’s 2nd

[smoky pollen]

That’s my question

[solid sun]

How are there two specs more boring than BM

[warm plinth]

1. Boomie
2. Sub rogue
3. Bm hunter

[solid sun]

Sub is boring??????

[smoky pollen]

Sub Rogue is boring?

[warm plinth]

Yes

Very much so

[solid sun]

I thought it was pretty complicated

[warm plinth]

That's why it's boring

It's complicated and still shit

[solid sun]

lol

[smoky pollen]

Fair fair

[solid sun]

I haven’t touched my rogue outside of leveling since like…

[smoky pollen]

I only ever play Outlaw

[solid sun]

Uldir?

I’m always spec’d ass

[warm plinth]

Affliction is 4th, and arcane mage is 5th

[tribal wharf]

combat is a great rogue spec

[smoky pollen]

Idk I gotta put ret pally in a solid 4th

[solid sun]

Sure destro is more boring than aff no?

[smoky pollen]

But I despise all paladins with a deep hatred I cannot express in this chat.

[warm plinth]

No way

Destro is one of the most satisfying specs in the game

[solid sun]

How

It’s just bad mage

[warm plinth]

Big Ole meatballs flying everywhere, raining fire down

[urban bane]

sub rogue is great fun i love it!

[solid sun]

Well regardless we are about to have a new most fun spec

[warm plinth]

Tbf i can't accurately rank ret because ive only played it while leveling and for mage tower in legion

[solid sun]

Void hunter coming in hot

[smoky pollen]

I don’t know if it’s boring but it seems like all they do is press divine storm and complain

[tribal wharf]

on a scale of 1 to 10 how mad does this image make you

[warm plinth]

Had to get that sick ashbringer skin that I'll never ever use

[valid heart]

Sorry to disturb you guys again with such a similar question. But is wowhead updated with that is theoretical best crafts? aka waist and wrists with crit or vers? i see soo many craft both shield and wep but i assume this is for more power right now?

[warm plinth]

Those are the best embellishments to craft, not the best crafts

[tribal wharf]

this is us by comparison

[warm plinth]

Fairly certain it says shield then weapon then embellish

In the crafting section

[smoky pollen]

Well I doubt cleric players in whatever game this is complain as hard as Paladin players do in WoW

[tribal wharf]

and then loser wizard boy

[valid heart]

Sure! but i care only about my gear 10 weeks from now, so i do not want to waste a craft on wep when i can craft bis embelishment items

[smoky pollen]

Are you likely to get a myth track weapon through other means?

[valid heart]

i easily do +10s

[warm plinth]

We had a really fun breastplate in EQOA called the breastplate of absolution (or something like that). Was really good for powerleveling. You could wear it on a cleric and pull giga mobs and it had a proc on it when hit that healed you. So you just afked and let low gear people kill the mobs while the heal kept aggro

Good times

[valid heart]

And i only care about pushing keys in like 5-10 weeks from now

[smoky pollen]

Also within 10 weeks we will get what, 5 more crafts? Why not get early power in the season and work on “bis slots” later

[warm plinth]

In 10 weeks you could still not have a myth weapon

Only if you mythic raid would I even entertain not crafting one

[valid heart]

oki but then fucxk it

[plush tendon]

in 10 weeks youll have 5 total crafts

[valid heart]

ill do wep craft

[plush tendon]

so if you care about being BiS in 10 weeks, then who cares about week 2 craft?

besides, you should start pushing keys now

dont get behind the 8 ball

people already doing 17s

[warm plinth]

I think quite a few people greatly overestimate how much power you get from embellishments.

[smoky pollen]

Yeah I mean I simmed when I already had a 704 hero weapon and it was 720 weapon by a mile

[valid heart]

i know the embellishment are pretty weak

[limpid ruin]

It’s conditional uptime on like 700-800 stats. It’s like 3 gems, they are neat at best

[smoky pollen]

Well and the slots our embellishments go on are also pretty weak

[limpid ruin]

but I have to raid still….

[plush tendon]

you play a stinky paladin

gross

[smoky pollen]

Like, bracers don’t have a great stat budget (for example)

[plush tendon]

play Warrior

be based

[warm plinth]

Yeah the amount of stat is barely over 1% crit and not even 1% (damage) vers

[plush tendon]

[limpid ruin]

For now….

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry about what gear you might have in 2 months. Optimize what you have now!

[limpid ruin]

The ret is gaming

[plush tendon]

The healers are keeping you down

making you think they need Spell BoP

[smoky pollen]

Paladin mentioned

[plush tendon]

but a deathless run gamer like you?

you dont need em

[warm plinth]

We never have a reason to use splock again

It was a fun abbreviation

[solid sun]

Doot let’s start our own heroic raid group

[fringe burrow]

I've noticed sometimes the shield slam on the first mini boss in priory doesn't knock me back. What's going on there?

[solid sun]

Are you demolishing

[plush tendon]

if you bench Sub, that would be great; I can steal him for some key pushing during raid time

[tame locust]

[limpid ruin]

Toxic

[plush tendon]

You can keep THV

[limpid ruin]

[solid sun]

Does Avanoxx crank

Or did our Resto Druid suck

11 AK got hit with the vote abandon after first boss:(

[plush tendon]

I havnt stepped foot in a Ara in a bit

but that first boss takes fucking forever

[rough egret]

I have same feeling but from 2nd

[plush tendon]

most likley your healer sucks; damage pattern is super predictable

[fringe burrow]

Playing mountain thane and it also happens on my brewmaster monk

[waxen frigate]

Demolished ur mom last night

[rough egret]

did ARA12 maybe hour ago, was fine with shammy

[solid sun]

Thank you

[waxen frigate]

Ofc

[plush tendon]

I have a list of specs I dont like

right now Boomkin is banned from my keys

[waxen frigate]

Left her some flowers and a GameStop gift card for you as well

[plush tendon]

Shadow Priest are big stonks

we like those guys

[solid sun]

Thanks Nish

[plush tendon]

love a shaman; ele or resto. Not a big fan of Enhacement

[warm plinth]

Probably where you're tanking him. Some of the small landscaping rocks in the area will act like full blown walls

[plush tendon]

Rogues are hit or miss

[solid sun]

Needed that for my switch 2

[rough egret]

whats your feeling about rogues? 😄

[plush tendon]

dragons too squish

[lusty grotto]

11 are bad right now

[rough egret]

i hate they require pause 😄

[smoky pollen]

😢 Why do you hate the star chicken

[plush tendon]

worthless class

[lusty grotto]

was doing my brother's 11 HoA, healer died on 1st pull and mage went "GG" and ripped a vote abandon, we were like ????

[plush tendon]

if I want Druid buff, Ill take a resto or feral

[warm plinth]

We were gonna do an 11 ak no leaver and we couldnt even kill the first boss 🙂 you did better than us

[lusty grotto]

and then he kept spamming "gg"

[waxen frigate]

GG

[lusty grotto]

and ripping vote abandons lol

gg

[warm plinth]

Gg

[solid sun]

lol

[rough egret]

gg

[waxen frigate]

The moba experience has hit m+

[smoky pollen]

But what if you want huge stars falling from the sky? Who do you take then?

[lusty grotto]

not until we get pauses

[plush tendon]

we 4 man

[smoky pollen]

Heck.

[warm plinth]

Oof

[waxen frigate]

Pausing mid cooldowns

Flaming the mage

[solid sun]

Not just paused

[lusty grotto]

bro ngl but pauses would be amazing

[solid sun]

We need the Dota 2 tip system

[violet ginkgo]

So midnight we got another talent tree, will it be more confusing or save the game?

[warm plinth]

It's not another talent tree

[smoky pollen]

Save the game from what?

[warm plinth]

It's just more points

[rough egret]

game is fine wdym

[solid sun]

Pause as someone dies to a ground aoe. Tip them. Hit them with a ?

[warm plinth]

And I assume 3 new nodes in hero tree

[smoky pollen]

I’ve been having a ton of fun since df season 1

[waxen frigate]

+2

[waxen frigate]

There are 2 states: confusing and dead

[lusty grotto]

pause as shearchip vengeful retreats into the edge in HoA

it would be so fucking amazing

[waxen frigate]

[solid sun]

lol

[waxen frigate]

Just gotta be moving like prime nishbrew on sennarth

[smoky pollen]

I launched myself off the edge of HoA last night

Healer stopped healing to “lol” me

[waxen frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/nishbrew/clip/JoyousSpinelessCookieBIRB-_V78xl4nQlm08B_S

[smoky pollen]

(I was on boomie)

[waxen frigate]

https://www.twitch.tv/nishbrew/clip/HelplessOilyPancakeKevinTurtle-VIzhf5I_vhhhzYl4

I was moving fucking DIFFERENT

[rigid hull]

is there a weakaura like s4 dragonfluight for spell reflect?

[waxen frigate]

Pinned

[solid sun]

I think the new DH spec will require you to walk around and pick up souls or something

[lusty grotto]

look at this guy flexing big

not all of us can be timmy the gymnast

[solid sun]

Can’t wait for the spectacular moving skills that will be on display

[lusty grotto]

some of us just roll down and die

and then type "lol"

[waxen frigate]

There is also a clip of me charging in and immediately slipping off on warrior

[tribal wharf]

since we apparently have gamecube fans in here

[lusty grotto]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH who gave yogi coffee today

[rigid hull]

thats a sheet tho

[waxen frigate]

Right after saying something along the lines of “imagine falling off on sennarth”

[keen leaf]

craft wep and shield today? someone tell me its okay

[smoky pollen]

Another devoker ranged class likely

[waxen frigate]

My b thought the weakaura was in the sheet

[solid sun]

It’s both melee and midrange

[tribal wharf]

coffee is ass

[waxen frigate]

Real

Preach

[tribal wharf]

very extremely rarely do i drink a cofee

[waxen frigate]

🗣️

[warm plinth]

Not just okay. Best option.

[tribal wharf]

hot water heavy drink DOES have its purposes though

[lunar flare]

ah yes, my favourite drink

hot water heavy drink

[tribal wharf]

what i m ean is more water than uh, mix

[dawn herald]

hey guys, with the runed ethereal crest from dimensius crest, should i craft shield or weapon or other? im full lidl gear

[warm plinth]

Lidl?

[lunar flare]

Move to Aldi gear next

[compact silo]

does swarmgland trinket apply flat dmg redutcion to every attack or a pitiful absorb?

[smoky pollen]

Pretty sure swarmgland just sucks

[warm plinth]

Unless you just can't get gilded crests, I don't think it's worth using a spark for a runed crest item

But if you can't get gilded crests, then same craft order applies

[dawn herald]

i was thinking about recrafting when I get to the gilded level, but I think that will take a couple of weeks

[lofty warren]

In a +11 hoa people failing to run without pulling the universe between boss 1 and 2 ( i make it up and sometime the non sleeping gargoyle is chasing me but then when others run up the whole room is pulled). Is it ever legal to just pull mobs in that area without invis potion or trying to smartly run in between mobs?

Or are mobs there mega toxic still?

[elfin elk]

I'm not sure where you can make up count in that place without pulling upstairs

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-gif-14404616

[elfin elk]

I haven't found the mobs there to be too bad outside of there being a fuckton of casters

[lusty grotto]

you need 80.51% before going into mini boss

have fun

[smoky pollen]

I’m simply a KSH/AOTC player and not qualified to answer questions outside of that range

[lofty warren]

Usually been smartly skipping mobs between boss 1 and 2 and like almost full clearing the area around boss 1

[warm plinth]

I'm not qualified to answer pepega's questions

[lusty grotto]

just post a gif like i did

[lunar flare]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[lofty warren]

Just want to know if the mobs between boss 1 and 2 are required to be skipped like they were in sl

[nocturne spindle]

No

[warm plinth]

I almost did it. Nim give me strength

[nocturne spindle]

Those mobs are great for us

[smoky pollen]

In rat we trust

[nocturne spindle]

They give a healing reduction on tank that we just ignore so pull them all

[warm plinth]

Lolol

[plush tendon]

this is how I pull Halls

[lofty warren]

Ty. Good to know that those don't have to be skipped anymore

[plush tendon]

yea, you have to pull stuff upstairs

they really not terrible

[warm plinth]

Dear blizzard, please make stonefist not knock you up as high. Signed, dorfs

[plush tendon]

the triple Reaver might be illegal though

but felt fine in a 13

as a Prot War

[frosty mango]

Only if you have a bunch of shit with it

[warm plinth]

Why would you touch the shit? I thought we just pretended mobs don't defecate

[plush tendon]

Im still debating pull 2 an 3

[frosty mango]

That pull the only things hitting you are reavers and if you somehow miraculously get low you can just run

[smoky pollen]

CAN gargoyles defecate?

[plush tendon]

I dont think going back to back shards is a good idea

[warm plinth]

Imagine if they turn to stone and it turns to stone

[frosty mango]

They don’t need to defecate because they’re already shit

[warm plinth]

And they're mid shit

[plush tendon]

but those pulls feel small

[lofty warren]

The big bat punching you across the room is annoying but I'm glad I'm not a brew or paladin where that would be even worse

[lament osprey]

Merge 2 and 3

[plush tendon]

its more about healer CDs

[frosty mango]

I combine 2 and 3

[plush tendon]

using everything on first shard

[warm plinth]

I do pull 1 and then go back right and then cut across boss 1 area and do far left shard last

[plush tendon]

then going into second right off the back

[rough egret]

do pull 4 first then go 213

[plush tendon]

might not have buttons or damage

[rough egret]

2+3

[warm plinth]

So im clearing boss 1 room in between right shard and far left shard

[plush tendon]

maybe Im just being a weenie

idk

[lament osprey]

Nah, dps have health pots,
Kicks and defensive

[lofty warren]

Good sir on pull 1 what do you do to prevent the beast master from standing far AF away and enraging his pets?

[smoky pollen]

I just miss count and blame the top dps for not noticing

[plush tendon]

I have a DK friend, but LoS works

or let it path closer

then pull it in

[frosty mango]

You expect your dps to play the game with all of their buttons

[plush tendon]

also, if you kick loyal beasts hell move

[lament osprey]

You let the Beast master pat in

[frosty mango]

This is a big dps gaming season

[plush tendon]

but i basically just tag him and the other two guys at start, then run straight to shard

[warm plinth]

Indeedily

[plush tendon]

and post up in the corner to let things get grouped

[tribal wharf]

gunna add these to pc

makes it go faster

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-frustration-史迪奇-gif-4802586

[plush tendon]

like right here

[tribal wharf]

i hate that dunegon so much

[lofty warren]

In the 11 did today nobody kick the beast master and I couldn't get him bc i was with the guy who punches the ground so I just blew all my CDs and ate the big dog damage

[plush tendon]

dogs do jack shit

the enrage is like 50% attack speed

[lofty warren]

Even when big and red?

[plush tendon]

yea

its no longer SL doggos

[lofty warren]

In SL they would like 1 shot

[plush tendon]

these dogs are turbo easy as War

In SL they applied a bleed or did some tank buster thing

that no longer exists

[lofty warren]

What is that ss with the 2 red lines?

[lusty grotto]

augusto just getting ass baited

back to back

to back

to back

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

to back to back

[lofty warren]

What i am learning

[plush tendon]

I like talking about dungeons

[lofty warren]

If you stand here does the beast master not have LOS and needs to run in?

[lusty grotto]

with pepega

so youre admitting to being easily baited

[plush tendon]

sure

easily baited

you got me dude

[plush tendon]

I found he does

[lusty grotto]

youre missing the point lmao

you keep answering him

you cant be that dense

[plush tendon]

one thing I did fine was that if range or healer gets aggro it can be a little sketch

[lofty warren]

Ty for answering ill try to not "bait" by asking a question

[plush tendon]

which happens

cause if you just tag and run, you basically have no threat

[lusty grotto]

aight maybe you are

[plush tendon]

bringing a DK is giga though in Halls

Im stil trying to work out lust timings also

I think 3rd boss is pretty hard now for healer, but lusting the miniboss to skip some of his healing could also be good

[lofty warren]

I'll let the group know. Might get a little sketch if need to move out of that spot when the big guy makes circles of bad around him and the bm guy hasn't fully come in yet

[plush tendon]

2nd lust is a little awkward

I would ideally get it on 2nd boss, but the timing doesnt work out well

[lusty grotto]

make sure you tag him for your next question!

[lofty warren]

Lust pull 1, boss 2, and the big suck guy before boss 3 if slow but if ur gonna +2 then yea lust 2 is not clear imo

[valid heart]

shield or head?

[lusty grotto]

shield

if myth track

[valid heart]

all 3 in m+ are

[plush tendon]

theoretically, you can get 4 lusts in Halls

31 min timer

one at 30:40, 20:40, 10:40, 00:40

give 00:20 for grouping first pull

[lusty grotto]

he cant help himself

lmao

just keeps going

[plush tendon]

you got anything meaningful to contribute

[lusty grotto]

there's nothing meaningful to contribute to pepega

youre not new

wise up

[mild river]

I'm trying to do 12s with my 700 ilv warrior with no 4 set. Not even 2 set. I'm feeling like magic damage destroys me if I don't manage my defensives well. 11s are a walking in the park. Anyone feeling the same?

[plush tendon]

well how about answer my question on lust timings

what do you do?

have any thoughts of your own

[lusty grotto]

nah im not contributing to something that was sparked by pepega

like i just mentioned

👍

[plush tendon]

no, I feel pretty strong

is there a certain thing thats been killing you?

[lusty grotto]

use SR liberally, its a short enough cd

[nocturne spindle]

Besides some dawnbreaker bosses I feel like not a lot of stuff hits hard

[fluid widget]

The jumpers before the last boss in floodgate

[plush tendon]

those guys do kind of fuck

the double jumper pack right before last boss is a bit sketch

but there hasnt been much in these dungeons

[fluid widget]

The super saiyan sailors can also hurt too

[plush tendon]

its just melee damage; and they can be kited

[scarlet wedge]

anyone in here know a good plater profile for warrior in keys? im thinking highlighting spell cast on me that can be reflected and such?

[fluid widget]

Jundies

[plush tendon]

I need a weakaura that yells at my party in group chat when I'm reflecting a spell

3rd boss halls getting those reflects is so much damage

but pugs are kicking

[fluid widget]

For real

[scarlet wedge]

that name sounds like a giant Deeznuts joke to me XD

[plush tendon]

[fluid widget]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[scarlet wedge]

i got that, doesnt help for shit 😛

[plush tendon]

right now its just me and my friend pugging people in our keys

once I get the full squad together

we gonna be gaming

[cerulean tusk]

No, no you dont

[fluid widget]

Literally in voice will yell reflecting and they still kick

[cerulean tusk]

It will only annoy ppl

it wont make them not kick

[plush tendon]

yep

[cerulean tusk]

ya will just be the RP andy going:
I AM SUPER HYPER COOL LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME
in /y, and I and others hate that

Dont be that guy

[fluid widget]

I’ll be honest I’d rather never SR and my team kick then the opposite

Too many guildies don’t seem to know what a kick is

Had an ele shaman finish an HoA with 6 kicks

[plush tendon]

ooof

[cerulean tusk]

I end with 50-70 kicks, they end with 10-20

[plush tendon]

I havnt run into a issue with people not kicking

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even know what they do without me there

[plush tendon]

overlap cc is a bit of a problem

[fluid widget]

It’s guildies

[plush tendon]

but thats expected with no comms

[fluid widget]

Guildies are like it’s a chill key I don’t care whereas pugs feel like if they don’t kick they’ll get kicked

[cerulean tusk]

No matter what, I just pull the whole room

I am chill

they scream

I chill

They die

I smile

[fluid widget]

clap clap clap

[plush tendon]

weekly 10 keys are only fun when you pull like a insane person

so people kind of have to play well

[lofty warren]

But don't you ever have 4+ lusts in key without deplete? Dunno what those timings would even be to have 4 and not lust on like some random packs

[plush tendon]

yea, I imagine 2nd lust would be super scuffed

[fluid widget]

What’s wrong with lusting a random pack

[plush tendon]

not really at the key level yet where we plan to go down to the wire on the timer

maybe in the future

[lofty warren]

Lust random pack = big sad when don't have it for boss 2 and he keeps spawning little casters over and over

[plush tendon]

Challenging Shout is so good for the second boss

still trying to figure out for which add set I should be using it for; been doing it on the second set for now

[fluid widget]

You can disrupting every other

[plush tendon]

its every other?

[fluid widget]

So I use it for 1st and 3rd and hope boss is dead

[plush tendon]

for the aoe silence?

[fluid widget]

Pretty sure it’s every 45s

[tribal wharf]

great, you have given my pc the gamecube algorithm

[plush tendon]

if thats true, answers my question

[tribal wharf]

everywhere i go this week im going to get ads about buy gamecube games

[lofty warren]

I've been using it in 2nd set. Usually everyone blows their cds on first set + lust is going

[sick sentinel]

whats the best raid spec for warrior in raids

[lusty grotto]

the best raid spec in raid

is the best raid spec in raid in wowhead or icyveins

🙂

[late trellis]

Should I be able to live in 13 db without a soothe pretty easily? feels like I'm fending for my life on the 3 double tactician pulls

[lusty grotto]

depends on gear

[late trellis]

692 ilv 4 set old

[lusty grotto]

yeah... youre a little outdated

[fluid widget]

How many stacks are you getting up to?

[lusty grotto]

hows your shield?

crafted?

[fluid widget]

Cause if your group isn’t killing it fast enough you’ll feel it too

[late trellis]

for the shadowwalkers up to 30-50

i think i was shield walling / using stuff at the beginning of pull and not using at the end

[lusty grotto]

your shield ilvl

[late trellis]

i tried rotating stuns and stops but i couldn't stoop the stacks from accumulating

707

[lusty grotto]

is it crafted?

why havent you crafted shield

[late trellis]

its a mythic piece

[lusty grotto]

ok but

[late trellis]

but I was waiting for one more vault to craft

[lusty grotto]

crafted shield = free uppies on that one

i guess it doesnt matter either way

[late trellis]

i could gilded upgrade the shield

instead of holding the gilded for a craft

[lusty grotto]

you should

[late trellis]

was holding out for a weapon in vault before crafting 2 pieces

[lusty grotto]

you should have shield and weapon crafted

[late trellis]

or at least one more vault before deciding

[lusty grotto]

myth shield is great

but

if its not upped

you need that block to offset additional damage

[late trellis]

what does upp mean?

[lusty grotto]

upgraded

[late trellis]

ah

[plush tendon]

that pull that I circled feels way too hard

[late trellis]

yeah i can spend gilded to get it to 723

[plush tendon]

I like pull 8

[lusty grotto]

do it, no reason to hold back on shield

[late trellis]

yeah pull 8 and 9 feel awful

[plush tendon]

but doing a ritualist feels terrible

I like this; I think there are a couple of places where I can optimize and remove a pull (pull 11 I would love to not do)

[late trellis]

we didn't have a soothe, but with the tactician buff it didn't seem to matter if it was soothed or not

still hurt

[rough egret]

what about this? 🙂

[plush tendon]

is pull 8 allowed?

or will people repeat die

[jagged gust]

Wtf are these routes?

[plush tendon]

oh, I also saw some cool rogue tech on last boss of Dawn

I didnt know you could jump behind the boss when you get the web circle and drop it behind him and then shadowstep back to plateform

so much space saved

[plush tendon]

wdym?

[lunar flare]

Pull 11 aka pugs not kicking and everyone dying

[tribal wharf]

did i hear right that supposedly there is some buff you get if you kill groups 1 by 1 now, i heard something like this in yesterdays wow stream

so i dont have to giga pull 500 monsters

at the start of the dungeon and get my ass beeat

[lunar flare]

What wow stream are you watching

[tribal wharf]

the wow one

[lunar flare]

Why would this ever be a thing?

[tribal wharf]

by blizzard

[plush tendon]

there are only two casters

[lunar flare]

I said what I said

[plush tendon]

I mean, yea

if pugs dont kick they die

but thats true in like every pull with a caster or two

[sick sentinel]

tell me more about the 1v1 group pull damage buff pls

[lunar flare]

Don't encourage him

[plush tendon]

I cant avoid them

[tribal wharf]

i heard them say something to this effect

[jolly bough]

Not reported on wowhead. You prolly misheard

[tribal wharf]

and its how i enjoy to play games in general try to clean things up rather than chaos

[jolly bough]

Something like that would def make news headlines

[rough egret]

I mean I pulled that in a 10, maybe its not the play in higher keys

[tribal wharf]

ya, probably just caster words

[lunar flare]

He is probably referring to them discussing one of the dungeons, where Ion mentions it being a wave-based dungeon but you can trigger the waves yourself

[plush tendon]

pull 10 by itself is enough

[lunar flare]

And he said "for the M plussers"

[plush tendon]

we do that with lust

shit hurts

oh, I thought you meant with oull 10

[lunar flare]

If they were introducing a buff to encourage pulling slower, this would a) be on wowhead and b) cause sigifnicant community discussion

[plush tendon]

XD

[lunar flare]

Neither of which are true

[rough egret]

no i mean key lvl 10 😄

[plush tendon]

yea, I'm trying to get my 14s done

this week

[lunar flare]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-is-launching-their-own-dps-meters-and-improving-nameplates-in-midnight-378291 Enjoy your Blizzard mandated dps meters though

[plush tendon]

YES

less addons

im for it

[lunar flare]

INTERESTING

[plush tendon]

I hope in the future there will be no need for addons

[lunar flare]

Baseline boss timeline as well, very nice

[sick sentinel]

ya these pesky mobs always like to go behind you every time you move back to get them in front of you like clockwork

[plush tendon]

boss timers should be in the basegame

[lunar flare]

Agreed

Soon they will be!

[plush tendon]

bigwigs/dbm have been madatory for as long as I've played

[tribal wharf]

i have to wonder how toxic a blizzard included dps meter will be lol

[lunar flare]

No more or less than Details

The people who care about damage already use Details and cyberbully the shitters

[tribal wharf]

wouldnt logically it be more

[plush tendon]

I wonder if they will also include spells on nameplates

I like to track the CD of casters in M+

[tribal wharf]

cuz then everyone has option to without knowledge of addon

so there would be more ragers

[lunar flare]

Don't think so, because if you care about damage then you have a dps meter installed already

I haven't personally met anyone who doesn't have one, but that's anecdotal

[sick sentinel]

i heal sometimes and i still look at damage meters

[lunar flare]

It's one of those cultural necessities that your friends make you install

[sick sentinel]

sometimes dps are doing less dmage than tanks

[lunar flare]

Sometimes?

Wish I was in your keys lol

[plush tendon]

people like dps meters

its how you know if you are improving

[smoky pollen]

If I had to guess there will also be a way to opt out of having the meter

Likely a box you can unclick in edit mode

[lunar flare]

Yeah it'll be like the cooldown manager

[neon elk]

It should also tell people to use onebutton rotation if they are below certain nunber , would improve life of others by a lot

[lunar flare]

Lmao

Low damage detected, you've been locked into OBR for 72 hours

Would you like to revisit Exile's Reach?

No actually if it detects low damage it opens a party vote to see whether you're sent to OBR jail

[neon elk]

That would be hilarious , but something like " othet people with your ilvl are doing twice as much, perhaps consider it?" would be a good start

[solid sun]

the blizz meter should show bars and in lieu of actual dps numbers it should say below, equal to, or above the one button rotation

[mighty valley]

yeah I know some addon purists who use base UI for everything... except even they have details installed

[lunar flare]

Yes

[lunar flare]

Yeah its almost ubiquitous isn't it

[neon elk]

Och yea that would be good also some people need the "reality check"

[mighty valley]

it's kind of impossible to judge your own performance without meters

[lunar flare]

An above or below average bar or something that shows where you sit amongst other players of your spec would be a nice opt-in feature

[mighty valley]

obviously there are players out there who don't care about performance but just about everyone who's doing m+ etc does

[solid sun]

Mobs should react to dps in appropriate ways. Imagine being in a key and mobs laugh at specific players for tickling them while vocalizing their fear of others for pumping

[lunar flare]

These are all great ideas gang, how do we pitch them to Blizz

[mighty valley]

hogger when the death knight launches a frost dragon at them: "heh. didn't even have pillar activated"

[lunar flare]

"lol. lmao, even"

[solid sun]

Since nobody does proving grounds anymore we should have a ratings pop up after each key that ranks players for their damage

Bronze, silver, gold

Bronze rankings should deduct from your dungeon score

[hollow hill]

Do we need to do anything special to sim tome of lights devotion? I thought there was a different code or something you needed to input at the bottom of raidbots

[mighty valley]

that was last season, they baked it into the base now

[solid sun]

It’s part of the base apl now

[hollow hill]

sick

thank you

[little lark]

Why is the Mailemental simming so good for us?

[solid sun]

It can proc off bleeds and iirc hasn’t received the tank penalty

[ruby musk]

I have a mage in our raid that is exclusively using OBR as a meme. He's our bar for damage. If anyone is below them they have swap to it or get benched.

[neon elk]

Thats honestly a smart and funny way to do it , i approve that

[undone beacon]

our balance druid is consistently grey parsing and im about to make him go obr i swear

[ruby musk]

Balance benefits well from OBR. We had a healer last season just try it for funsies and they got real close to the main balance players we had. Lol

[half jewel]

Question

I know Tome still sims really good but from a defensive/ additional stats standpoint. If I have Brand of Ceaseless Ire, I probably wanna pair that with a Secret Tech, Sacbrood or Pacemaker right? And potentially even the soulbinder trinket if I needed a "bombsuit" esque effect.

[neon elk]

Play brand and tome for max dmg

[nocturne spindle]

nothing this season hurst much

zug zug harder, your dps will die far faster than you will

if you die its more skill issue and nothing short of switching to a defensive trinket completely probably would have saved you

[undone beacon]

typically when you die its cuz your healer is totally AFK or you skill issue'd your rotation. A defensive trinket can give you the good feels but in execution its better to just kill the mobs faster

[half jewel]

Fair, I guess I still need more practice with MT. I didn't play it in S1 cuz I was a healer. So I don't quite have the rhythm down and I feel worse than Colossus. Largely because of getting SW from Avatar and vice versa.

[undone beacon]

I ended up using SW more as Col just to get the free avatar haha

[mighty valley]

the thane rhythm is just AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

always be pressing buttons

[undone beacon]

EVERYTHING GLOWS AND I HIT DA BUTTON

it is much faster paced than colossus

[half jewel]

It sure does, but I think I am wastefully using rage and not use to feeling squishier during the gathering of mobs. I fell over on the first pull of FG a few times and that has not happened before.

[desert hinge]

shield highfive, stomp, shield highfive, stomp

nice and simple for me

basically squaredancing

if i didn't have to spend rage for avatar CD, i would just remove revenge from my bar entirely

[nocturne spindle]

just add a WA tracker for the one shield slam reset and the tierset TB reset

so you know when you can just spam SS 3 tiems in a row

[warm plinth]

I'll spam you three times in a row

Fuckin gottem

[undone beacon]

Apex Talents for Prot Warr:
-Rank 1: You zug
-Rank 2: You zug harder
-Rank 3: You zug EVEN HARDER
-Rank 4: You zugmax

[nocturne spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-sesame-street-write-gif-4298020

[warm plinth]

Ngl it's not right for Sesame Street to mislead me into thinking Kermit drew that super straight line with his crooked ass finger motion

[desert hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

[nocturne spindle]

quick make an edit where it follows his finger

[tame locust]

So many people playing prot warrior but who can protect me?

[undone beacon]

thats the point of the discord habbi

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[tame locust]

[jagged pier]

I actually dont think gear drops for tanks or healers from m+ top force them to keep running and joining groups

no one can change my mind

[tame locust]

I'll force you

[jagged pier]

the amount of times I see nose picker dps with already 704 rings and neck get the loot then not trade because better stats

[tribal wharf]

i would believe it on account of how many times i ran lair for tank trinket

[jagged pier]

has been obscene

[lusty grotto]

i dont have 704 rings

[jagged pier]

me nither

[lusty grotto]

my necks blow

[jagged pier]

same

[lusty grotto]

and boots/helm are garbo

[jagged pier]

and i can only replace with 1 neck really

[lusty grotto]

the mighty cabochon

[coarse kernel]

I can't get the good trinkets to drop, but I got a Soleah's and Signet 😐

[fluid widget]

I wish I could get rings or necks to drop

[lusty grotto]

yeah i got those too aggro

feelsbadman

[coarse kernel]

The feeling of opening the Priory box, seeing trinket and it being Signet feelsbadman

kinda shitty that it's even on Prot's loot table

[jagged pier]

i only got tome because i got 4 traders to come in on m0

[fluid widget]

My m0 tome is gonna last forever

[coarse kernel]

What feels worse was getting Brand on my DK and I haven't even seen it drop on any difficulty on my warrior

[jagged pier]

unluck

[jagged gust]

My first two dungeon drops were 701 haste/mastery neck and rings with speed

Basically, I'm a gamer

[jagged pier]

28 prioys and 12 streets

[lusty grotto]

gah

[desert hinge]

[jagged pier]

yes

[solid sun]

I got a hero track neck but the stats don’t blow me away

[lusty grotto]

hate to see it

[jagged pier]

same but i cant equip it because i loose 6k haste

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

you ready for mine?

here you go

[restive oak]

if i have myth weapon/crafted shield and dont really care hugely about tome, am i opening in arms from here out?

[jagged pier]

id take that neck

im still using last season one

[lament osprey]

You guys ever feel behind because of trinkets?

[lusty grotto]

kind of, but its not such a big deal

[neon elk]

Im using last season rings and im starting to suspect blizz they fucked up something , ive seen 3 rings drop so far acros all m+ ive done

[lusty grotto]

last season's rings you say?

check that jastor

[jagged pier]

im still using that too

[fluid widget]

Same but heroic because somehow it still sims better than my 0 rings I’ve gotten

[lusty grotto]

lol

[mighty valley]

this vision does torment me

[fluid widget]

For keys, besides tome, what trinket are folks targeting?

Just since usage == most damage

[jagged pier]

brand

[rough egret]

which lvl of key drops hero gear? 7?

[jagged pier]

6 i think

[tranquil thunder]

hello

[jagged pier]

just run 10s tho cause saved crests and they take around the same time

[fluid widget]

Do all the stacks fall off or is it one by one?

[jagged pier]

1 by 1

[tranquil thunder]

for ST rotation we swap to offensive stance and spam revenge +shield slam resets? , whats the prio , ty for u time

[jagged pier]

but why wouldnt u be chain puling?

[solid sun]

Do tanks roll main spec on brand or off spec

[jagged pier]

its on the wowhead an icy veins guide

[fluid widget]

I’m think in terms of RP

[jagged pier]

because it different interms of hero talents

[fluid widget]

Streets/gambit/eco dome etc

[jagged pier]

its fine

dont worry about it

[fluid widget]

Dope now I just need it to exist

Until then, sacbrood ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy kettle]

I was able to get Pacemaker Week 1 of M+. I believe it’s also still an option but it’s more dps than survivability

[solid sun]

Pacemaker still good

[fluid widget]

Crit is survivability too

Every stat contributes in some shape or form

[lament osprey]

Why is tome bis over pacemaker?

Just sims reasons?

[lusty grotto]

would there be any other reason?

[fluid widget]

Unreasonably high damage

[neon elk]

Cuz we look pretty in the small holy shieldy thing ?

[lament osprey]

Pressing the button vs passive

[fluid widget]

The crit is nice too

Its a pretty passive trinket

Use it when it swaps to armor, not ability or rotation based

[rough egret]

I thought that MT will love crit as Colosus was, looks like it loves more from other stats too

[solid sun]

Did y’all see the blurb in this interview about tank and healer shortage lol

[rough egret]

is there any tldr?

[solid sun]

Sounds like we might get to do more damage but I’m not sure they know what to do outside of that

[fluid widget]

No idea how they’ll help as long as tanks and healers have more responsibility

[sharp gale]

It is a hard issue to solve

[solid sun]

“Tanks should live forever but not forever because then you’ll never die in raid”

[fluid widget]

And dps can’t be asked to even use defensivesnornkicks

[sharp gale]

Ye the huge responsibility is the biggest drawback of being tank

[solid sun]

We just need to go on strike duh

Shut down the tank discords

No more responsibility

[fluid widget]

The ret paladin way

[sharp gale]

The most harsh way to resolve it : remove 1 dps in a group

[fluid widget]

2:1:1 will just result in more tanks and healers needed

[sharp gale]

Yes it is the other way

[solid sun]

I liked them saying tanks should do damage though

That’s a big one for me personally

[sharp gale]

I immediately noticed it is ADDING a dps

[prisma nexus]

"Is the order correct like this?

[desert hinge]

inb4 they add more casters to one shot my disc priests since there's another dps slot

[solid sun]

Whatcha mean

[sharp gale]

a group being composed of 1 tank 1 healer and 4 dps

but it is "one more lane" fix

[lime urchin]

Whoa, I’d like a sandwich with explosion of donner

[solid sun]

I’m referencing this. To me this reads like tank damage is being looked at as a possible help to making tanks more fun

[sharp gale]

i was talking about how to resolve the lack of tank issue

this will not resolve it obviously

[solid sun]

This was mentioned in that section

[sharp gale]

because tanks already does that in lower keys, and there is still a lack of tanks there

[jagged pier]

thats not happening, because it annoys dps players too much

[lusty grotto]

fuck i want donner now

[jagged pier]

if u watch the interview they are basically saying they will reduce the skill ceiling

and maybe like they did 3 expansions ago make tanks weakier again

because that really worked

[night scroll]

I wanna die in two hits

[solid sun]

Hard to make most of the tanks even easier

[sharp gale]

i think until there is a ingame version of mdt, i don't believe in a good outcome on this topic

[solid sun]

I don’t really wanna listen to the interview if I’m being honest but it’s interesting your take away seems so different than what wowhead wrote in their summary

[sharp gale]

i'm a tank, so i know why i don't want to tank keys personnally, so i express why

[solid sun]

I enjoy tanking keys a lot

To me the issue isn’t actually tanking. It’s the random people

[sharp gale]

but there are moments you don't want to

imagine these bad moments are multiplied by 50 for new tank players

blizzard needs to convince non-tank to play tank, not ppl who are already tanks now

[lunar flare]

DOUBLE RIO GAIN FOR TANKS

TWO FREE BANS TO AWARD TO BAD DPS

[jagged pier]

theres literally nothing they can do ppl just dont want to too

and anything they do will not make them want to do it

[lunar flare]

People don't play tank or healer because they don't like the responsibility. Even if you make it easier, you still have the responsibility imo

[sharp gale]

yes that's why the most harsh/bandaid way to resolve is just by fixing the stats / 1 tank for 4 dps, even tho i'm not in favor

[lunar flare]

Just remove the tank role and make DPS tankier

EZ

[desert hinge]

bring back SL dps 😎 i woudln't mind dropping ashen hollow on my holy pal either

[sharp gale]

tank is a melee dps with the responsability to do the route and press wall on need to press wall abilities

[lunar flare]

I personally love the responsibility of tanking, leading the group in runs and devising routes etc. But I think like real life most people want someone else to do the thinking for them

[sharp gale]

ppl just prefer to chill and just be - a melee dps

[lunar flare]

Nobody wants to be the one everyone blames if shit goes wrong

[desert hinge]

i got told how to tank halkias the other day like i haven't 3 chested the dungeon 800 times in SL and beyond lmao

"other tanks usually do"

[lunar flare]

All they can do is apply band aid fixes but the core reason nobody tanks will always be there

[desert hinge]

i'm like yeah ok bud fuck off lol

[lunar flare]

Hard boss man, good job he reminded u

[desert hinge]

yep the boomy that stood outside the circle and brought a garg is roasting my positioning as i'm getting stone fisted up my ass

lmfao

[lunar flare]

That boss feels like cancer when dps drops shit right where I wanted to go

[desert hinge]

or just like... nowhere close to an existing pool

[lunar flare]

literally

[desert hinge]

zzzzzzzzz

[solid sun]

Idk I just think tanks shouldn’t be able to be reprimanded for bringing the heat in chat

[lunar flare]

And then I'm whinged at for not making room for lasers

[undone beacon]

Tanks should be taken out back and shot for breathing

[sharp gale]

i really enjoy tanking too, but you need to pass through this bias to see what is annoying to ppl