protection

[rough egret]

Buy some if you desprete

[bleak depot]

This is my current gear. Obvious weakpoints are: Set Bonus and my Veteran Weapon.
My 4 options are:
2 Set with the chest
Weapon Upgrade to Hero
Very good hero ring with haste Crit
and Pacemaker on Hero

[rough egret]

Finish your set

Or socket

[wispy moth]

I would take heroic set piece if it unlock 4P, otherwise myth pacemaker

[bleak depot]

The Pacemaker is Hero and the Set piece would give me 2piece

[wispy moth]

Ah yeah thought was myth trinket. Well, go for hero chest set piece

[bleak depot]

Okay thank you

[cerulean kite]

What is our most important stats we should be going for enchantments? I know everyone dunks on mastery but should I be more focused on crit strike and haste?

[daring dust]

i think haste until 30% dr from what ive seen, same with crit until 10% dr

dump into haste > crit

[mystic vale]

so I got a hero shield yesterday, should i be crafting a shield still or build something else?

[wispy moth]

Just haste until you're hitting ~25k then crit or vers

[daring dust]

how much of a dps difference would tome make compared to so'leah?

[cerulean kite]

Yeah my vers is bad rn at level 63 lol but I’m just chalking it up to I haven’t gotten good gear yet to actually start filling out the gaps

[wispy moth]

Hard to know but tome deals tons of damage and you can have a defensive option

[wispy moth]

Dont think about stats until lvl max, same for enchant gems etc

Those are only max lvl mechanics

[daring dust]

is the defensive option good? like is it enough to spare a defensive for a big hit?

[lunar flare]

Why are u thinking about stats when ur not even 80

[undone verge]

cause the minmaxing grind never stops

[wispy moth]

Depend on encounter, sometimes in key i keep defensive a bit in a big pack when magic damage pop out, but almost running only in offensive.
Thze most of time defensive is up, that's because the trinket use is on cd

[blazing ridge]

Stats at 63

[cerulean kite]

Habit from other games lol

[wispy moth]

Don't be rude. You can just politely tell him that it's something to do in the endgame, not at level 63.

[undone verge]

also is there anything that I'm missing on why ppl are talenting Heavy Handed on ST fights? Just not changing it, or is there some hidden interaction where it hits your current target for an additional amount

[daring dust]

fair, gotta get to farming then ty

[wispy moth]

Personnaly I dont farm it, I just hope to get it in myth vault track

[lunar flare]

I wasn't rude but thank you for tone policing

[lunar flare]

Just get to 80 first and get some gear, then focus on stats when they actually start to matter

[wispy moth]

You wernt specially targeted, dw ^^

You dont need to focus on optimizing your stats until lvl max because you'll change gear almost every lvl due to leveling dung or quests

[daring dust]

yea what i was gonna say, wow is a bit different from other games in that area, most games you care about stats even before max level haha, but yea just level to 80 before caring about legit anything other then talents

[wispy moth]

Even lvl max, there is a huge gap between your first lvl max gear and something more powerful

And overall, focus your ilvl : give you stam, str and huge gap secondary stats. All stats are good

[clever arch]

Hello, how does the Choice Talent "Spellbreaker" work? "8% chance to dirsupt magic damage". So does it only apply to initial hit, or also to every instance of DoT dmg? what about area damage?

[wispy moth]

We're aiming for haste above all because it gives you shield block uptime, the most important things to track

[wispy moth]

Do not take it overall 😄

[cerulean kite]

Gotcha and it says I’m missing the war within dungeon when I’m trying to find dungeons other then just dragonflight

Is that normal orrr is there a way to be able to q for it

[wispy moth]

TWW dung are unlock when you hit 70

[cerulean kite]

Ohhhhhh

I feel like I’m asking too many questions lol

[blazing ridge]

ur fine mate

[undone verge]

They need to do a new player experience overhall tbh its absolutely awful how leveling is treated in this game

[blazing ridge]

just remember to enjoy

[wispy moth]

Wow works like this now :

• If you're totally new, you can only quest and queue for dung from the last expansion before active one
• If you're rerolling, you can chose another old expansion
• The actual expansion is unlock when hit old lvl cap

[daring dust]

^

[wispy moth]

It's ok. But for now, just enjoy your game

[cerulean kite]

Yeah my friend suggested I play this a year ago and I only just got around to it now we were supposed to do classic since he has a guild there but I accidentally did retail

[lunar flare]

Remove leveling

Worst part of the game

[blazing ridge]

I feel like leveling is overrated, just let people create toons at 80, I despise leveling

[cerulean kite]

But it’s been a fun experience I like the grind

[lunar flare]

based and only correct opinion

[blazing ridge]

But then you cant sell those juicy 80er boost

[daring dust]

retail way better imo, classic just boring and overrated tbh

[cerulean kite]

I just don’t have the muscle memory for how many keys I need to use

[lunar flare]

Yes u do

Just practise

[cerulean kite]

Yeah I booted up classic for like 5 mins then went back to retail lol

[lunar flare]

Most people struggle because they keybind everything all in one go and then shit the bed trying to remember them all at once

The approach is to bind one or two, spend some time memorising those, then when comfortable binding 1-2 more

[daring dust]

i remember when i first started and my friend legit started screaming at me to start interrrupting and i could never remember the keybind, definitely made me learn xd

[wispy moth]

Leveling rn is very good because it let you time to learn your class and your rotation without letting you being annoyed because you're struggling from new things. And it's pretty fast, even for a new player

[undone verge]

In my perfect world new players would complete exiles reach then return to stormwind or org, sit down next to a 'Veteran' of their race and class and he "tells them a story" of the old expanions like wrath which takes them through storm peaks and ulduar then into icecrown and icc. Or Legion which takes them to Suramar into nighthold-Broken shore into ToS-Argus into Antorus. Not only would this be great thematically for new players, but giving them a raid experience could help prepare them for the endgame content while giving them a chance to experience the old raids.

You could even have the storymode raid npcs call out tips like taunt swaps, press mitigation theres a tank bust, swap damage to the add, etc

[lunar flare]

In a perfect world I can ban every player who pings the pack ahead of me trying to make me go faster

[blazing ridge]

LOOL

yeah XD

[undone verge]

real shit

[blazing ridge]

Or like 1 mob with 5% hp left and they rage ping next pack while playing with a Rogue in the group, like dude he pumps harder if just finish the pull clean

[daring dust]

or pulls random stuff on the side then proceeds to facetank said mobs then blame tank when they die

[cerulean kite]

Would shield charge or storm bolt be the better interrupts? Outside of challenging shout

[daring dust]

pummel

[lunar flare]

I am a staunch "if you pull it, you tank it" believer

[daring dust]

so real

[lunar flare]

If I go to a pack and someone has run ahead and pulls it first, I go full bot mode and move to the next one lol

[blazing ridge]

Shield Charge / Stormbolt / Shockwave at some point mobs are immune to Stuns due to DR

[daring dust]

pummel is actual interrupt, shockwave best aoe stun, stormbolt nice st/3target stun, shield charge used on cooldown for damage and rage, just helps to use it on an important stun target

[lunar flare]

They're stuns, not interrupts, they will stop a cast but the mobs will just start casting again shortly after

Interrupts generally stop the cast and prevent more casting for a few secs after

[daring dust]

i want stuns to interrupt again, made keys so much easier to carry

[lunar flare]

For sure

[cedar walrus]

Oye folks, the most optimal crafts for the long term are wrists and belt right ? (for m+ only)

[lunar flare]

Shield

[cedar walrus]

I am raiding mythic as well, I can get a shield from there

[lunar flare]

Weapon?

[cedar walrus]

Same

[lunar flare]

Nice

[mellow bridge]

long-term it's wrist and belt yes

[lunar flare]

You've completed the game

[cedar walrus]

thnaks

[olive kettle]

Do you guys track anything on nameplates?

[daring dust]

debuffs from me, and stuns

[lofty glen]

why does revenge feel useless with 4p? it feels much better playing higher keys and spam IP instead of revenge

[jagged pier]

Thats just how thane plays

[torpid dome]

revenge is filler

[jagged pier]

Revenge doesnt do anything for thane

[torpid dome]

only use it if my IP isn't capped and if I cannot do any other offensive ability 🤷‍♂️

[tardy juniper]

Hey guys. Been playing Colossus in Keys most of last season and this last week.

Just got 4 set last night. Is it worth switching over to THane?

I mean is the aoe damage noticably better to warrant switching?

[torpid dome]

MT seems to be significantly stronger right now

[tardy juniper]

How is its suvivablity compared to COlossus?

Dont want to jump into my next key and get flattened lol

[lunar flare]

I use betterblizzplates and it doesn't show me anything other than threat and the name of who kicked something

think maybe the dots i have on them too

[daring dust]

depends how much aoe you do now? for example gambit first pull

but thane seems way stronger aoe

competing with dps constantly on aoe

[prime sphinx]

aoe is almost the same, mt st is better

[tardy juniper]

ok thats cool....usually about 5 to 6 mill on packs with colossus

Havent really been much above 11's yet this season

I assume with Thane 4 set we just replace Revenge with Thunderblast procs?

[lunar flare]

Ye

[shy python]

Yesterday Thane with 4p felt insanely more squishy than Colossus before with old 4p.

Why is that so?

[daring dust]

havent pushed more either, but yea about the same for me, tho peaked at 11m in gambit without 4p

[shy python]

I didn't see that. Even on Ara Kara big pulls the dmg was just okay.
Switched to Col for a Bio Dome key and got better results.

[lunar flare]

Could that be because you're more used to playing it though?

[prime sphinx]

probs revenging to much

[tardy juniper]

I usually spam Revenge and ignore , ignore pain lol

[shy python]

Maybe but what's so 'difficult' with Thane? We just spam what's blinking don‘t we?

[lunar flare]

I didn't say it was difficult, but you doing more damage on Col might suggest you're not playing Thane correctly

Just a possible insight

[prime sphinx]

I think ppl talked about potentially colo would be tankier anyway for push keys but doubt that it makes a difference for current keys up to like 16s or whatever ppl are doing

[rigid hull]

is tome simmed correctly?

[prime sphinx]

yes

its mainly ST/prio target trinket if u are trying to sim it for aoe

[shy python]

I really don't know. How do I play Thane right? Spamming TC/TB as much as I can?

What other ways are there?

(in thermes of AoE dmg)

[lofty glen]

what is ip cap?

[heavy sparrow]

just finished my first 11 streets as collosus

kinda proud of myself that was pretty hard despite the nerf

[obtuse venture]

anyone know at what ilvl i should drop the delve belt?

[blazing shuttle]

As simple as that.

[torpid dome]

or if you dont wanna sim, read available guides that might already have answers 🤷‍♂️

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#dropping-disc

Wowhead guide estimates around 710 ilvl

[obtuse venture]

i looked at the gear section in the faq

didnt mention the belt

ok thanks ill take a look

[shy python]

Why is a monk skill listed here?

[lofty glen]

trinked can have leech?

[prisma echo]

Guys. Im aiming at Tome+Ire. Sim it it makes biggest dps advantage. Question to people who use it, do you feel big difference in defensive party of running 2 trinkets without main stat?

[neon elk]

Because it is compared to other "mid level defensives" u also have druid bark there

[lofty glen]

no

[shy python]

Alright

[lofty glen]

which trinked would you choose over ire? when would you swapp gear wise if it is only champ track?

[torpid dome]

ire + tome is the way to go

[silent sparrow]

Do we stop pumping haste after hitting DR?

Or do we go deep

[torpid dome]

probably want to stick with 21-22k haste and focus other stats more at that point

[olive kettle]

Why are the builds on wowhead and here so different from Yodas guide? Are we the bad guys or is his just for super high keys?

[silent sparrow]

Like most class discords it's helping new players get a grasp of the spec / average people improve, and at yoda's level you should understand the class and can flex points more

[olive kettle]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[neon elk]

Just please dont blindly copy yodas build, u will most likely thank me later

[coral hull]

are we skilling differently when weve got the 4p tier bonus?

[wide sable]

Hi. So I'm a returning player who hasn't done anything consistently in the game since the beginning of BFA.
This is my 1st season actually pushing M+ with random pugs. Right now I'm around 1900+ rating and debating whether to focus on completing the 4pc tier set or picking a better shield.
Immediate options are getting 2pc S3 + 2pc S2 while farming dungeons for 2 additional pieces to use catalyst on (seems better), or keeping the full set from S2 and get a non BiS shield from the vault. This is all heroic gear an the 1st options sims higher than the 2nd, but the guides usually recommend going the opposite way.
Am I missing something?
Also, defensive trinkets appear to be always disregarded in comparison with offensive ones. Do they perform poorly enough that the DPS gain brings better value?
Thanks.

[tardy juniper]

I've often wondered that about defensive trinkets. The absolute priority to me is alwasy to stay alive and alwasy feel it makes more sense to use defensive trinkets when pushing at my limit

[lunar flare]

100 stacks, right?

Or have I grossly misunderstood how IP works

[lunar flare]

Defensive trinkets are usually disregarded because the goal is to maximise damage, but if you value survivability more then I don't see the issue

I don't think tank output matters until you enter title range keys, anyway

In terms of whether a key lives or dies

Yeah sorry should have made that distinction clearer

[idle copper]

I'm missing something sorry: wowhead m+ build with heavy handed.

Execute on up to 6 targets is 9th priority but execute with 3 or less targets is last priority

Heavy handed execute x2 additional targets

Where is the synergy bit I'm missing for it to benefit up to 6 targets please

[lilac stirrup]

Felt the same, Thane 4p does less damage for me than Colossus 4p from last season. Where with Colossus 4p this season I am averaging 5m~, Thane being 4.3 or so

[tropic star]

whats more likely to be the phys comp meta tank pwar or brew?

[shy python]

So we just suck in playing Thane or is there anything the theorycrafters did miss?

[lilac stirrup]

I don't know, I played Colossus all the way and I am doing bigger number on Colossus than Thane atm even with 4p personally, maybe it's just more fun to play for me, but feels like it just does far more damage (although sims says it deals less), and any other logs I check there's always someone who does significantly more damage as Thane

[solid sun]

Because he just picks whatever feels good to him. He doesn’t mess with sims and any of that whereas the TC’s who write the other guides do

[ocean smelt]

No man be careful you might get banned for that trinket

[wispy moth]

Just jealous you don't have it, that's all

[viscid lantern]

Dude this mindset stopped since Pandaria where they made tanks need Offensive stats like haste to keep their mitigation buffs up like Haste for Paladins, Crit for warriors instead of Dodge/Parry/Mastery. If u want to be more ''defensive'' just focus on mastery which also boosts your damage. Going full defensive longterm kills the group specially in m+

[ocean smelt]

Overall the sentiment is right, none of us plays perfect and safety nets are cool

But I mean, we have a cheatdeath (arguably two with the cloack even tho they tend to proc simultaneously) to take care of that already

[stone mortar]

Hello. What would you pick from this vault and why, if the only goal is pushing m+. 🙂

[steel onyx]

There is a very cool defensive trinket for M+ on Loomithar tho

Not really for personnal usage but it gives you a real external

[solid sun]

I definitely think even this discord provides more nuance than that. If you need help living then take a defensive trinket.

But there are places where they absolutely aren’t necessary and it’s also okay to point that out to people because the discord is for optimization in addition to helping new players out

[prisma nexus]

Which of the jewelry pieces would you recommend as a combination, 1 or 2?

[jagged pier]

1

[prisma nexus]

and only refresh the crit right on tomb?

[jagged pier]

Unexpected events? But you know what mobs your pulling and you know what they can do and what can go wrong

Thats not unexpected

[jagged pier]

Yep

[prisma nexus]

ty

[neon elk]

You need someone to trade that to you right ?

[steel onyx]

Yes

[shy python]

Your teammates are 4 unexpected events the whole time. You never know if they kick what they should, they fail a mechanic that then causes heavy grp dmg, if they pull extra trash accidentally etc.

[kind urchin]

I personally don't use defensive trinkets but I have absolutely nothing against them or someone using them.

[lofty glen]

what are we doing with aggro problems in raid? i play with a dudu and even in dmg stance i keep over aggroing him after taunt

[steel onyx]

From my experience either your co-tank has to press his buttons or you have to stop pressing yours

[lofty glen]

but i want to do parses and i already stopped and he also is hitting his buttons

[steel onyx]

do you have logs to share ?

[lofty glen]

send it as pm

[steel onyx]

thx

[shut patio]

Hi everyone, I have 2p of the current tier, should I continue using MT or can I play Colossus?

[jagged pier]

Thats not unexpected tho, u have pulled the smalls one you know theres a chance that could happen, u ither need to plan for them to run by using cc or positioning so they dont run into anything extra or remind the group to cc/ focus them whent hey are low. Again thats not unexpected. You pulled those mobs u should expect them to do that. Missing intuprts also much less of a u problem because casts barely go on the tank nowdays (so a defensive trinket doesnt really help in free casting mobs tbh) but as ive always said if u want to run 1/ 2 or a cheat death u can. But they are not doing as much as u think they are.

[idle copper]

I asked in a different way early but no replies.

What's the synergy between Heavy hand and executing up to 6 targets being a higher priority than 3?

[jagged pier]

What sygnergy heavy handed is just damage

And does less damage on than most things on more than 3 targets because its hard capped at 3 targets

[solid sun]

There's confusion with the priority list because it has one entry that shows execute up to 6 targets and then at the bottom it shows execute up to 3 targets

[idle copper]

In wowhead it has execute up to to 6th targets as 9th priority but 3 targets is bottom

[solid sun]

But the execute cleave button is 3 targets. Seems like the last line should be 1-2 targets

There are no perfect scenarios

His advice is perfectly suitable for non-perfect scenarios

[warped badge]

hey just a short question for violent outburst it says after 250 rage, but if i trust my WA i get the free cast after 100 rage, why?

[sharp merlin]

in HOA do the Depraved Collectors in front of the First boss count towards overall %?
if they die to the RP?

[wispy moth]

Maybe based on percentage progression

You must spend 250 rage to proc the buff

[wispy moth]

Dunno. I never count them in my route

[warped badge]

yy this could be you know whats this debuff?

[solid sun]

I don’t think so. I think I got to them before they died one time and when the to killed them I don’t believe our count went up

[solid sun]

Deep wounds

[warped badge]

thx 🙂

[solid sun]

I believe

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-fly-flying-adultswim-cartoonnetwork-gif-5117084351837941699

That’s my contribution to the channel for the day, adieu

[solid sun]

lol

It’s been a morning

[rough egret]

Evil plan for today, make a pug Normal raid 30man without classes that can steal my tier token.

need hands/legs/head.. one of theese 😄 surely they will drop

[compact silo]

difference between bleed and execute build?

[rough egret]

whats Bleed build? Colosus?

[daring dust]

how do i remove these stupid healthbars again

updated ui

and forgor

[compact silo]

just thane with bloodborne

etc.

vs thane with execute(heavy handed, sudden death)

[silent sparrow]

Does anyone here have the issue when you try to pull G28 on top of big momma that the mobs just phase out if you go on the stairs?

The box and the two soldiers just disappear

[solid sun]

Pull them with heroic throw jumping on the stairs

They’ll disappear momentarily but still come

[tight mural]

there was a WA somewhere yesterday with sb/ignore pain and a little icon for shield charge to show charrges available. anyone have that handy

[rough egret]

Bleeds should be played with Colosus 4p as the set empowers them

there are better options for MT - execute

[violet ginkgo]

executing sounds fun though

[compact silo]

like what

[rough egret]

I ment it like Execute build is way higher than bleeds

[thick salmon]

whats the difference between MThane and Slayer when it comes to tanking?

[solid sun]

Well we can’t take slayer

So it isn’t gonna do too well

[remote tusk]

hello fellow peacocks

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-turtles-shredder-turtle-soup-dine-tmnt-gif-19304005

[violet ginkgo]

You mention Fury Spec here. Fury is DPS.

[lunar flare]

should we spend violent outburst on shield slam in ST as thane? or still thunder clap it?

[ruby musk]

SS (Tblast is AoE I misread)

[lunar flare]

Thought so, thank you

[rough egret]

Use Violent Outburst on Shield Slam.
Use Violent Outburst on Thunder Blast on 3+ targets. NOT on Thunder Clap.

[lunar flare]

What if I have Violent Outburst ready but no Thunder Blast?

Do I just accept my fate?

Since I'd have to shield slam to proc it right? And that would consume the VO

[lusty grotto]

its a priority

so using it on SS is not accepting your fate

its good value

as long as you dont use it on natty tc

[lunar flare]

Yeah but I meant in an aoe situation

Would it be ok to spend it on a SS if I don't have TB procced

[lusty grotto]

yes its still good value

[rough egret]

use SS, gives more rage for economy

[warm plinth]

It's still good value. Just not optimal value.

[lunar flare]

Ok nice

I guess the fun is trying to game it a little

So this doesn't happen

[lusty grotto]

not quite

it will happen

its not a bad thing

the bad thing is using it on TC

[jagged pier]

Well

If its like 7 targets

Its fine

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

[lunar flare]

Gotcha

I learn

[thick salmon]

I meant colossus lol apologies

[lusty grotto]

lol

colossus but we got it

the difference is just a different priority after rage generators

[strong forum]

And damage

And pace

[lusty grotto]

i didnt want to get into that cause the question seemed very general

[strong forum]

And rage generation as a whole

Ye

vague question needs multiple answers imo

Or further questions

[lusty grotto]

heh

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-running-explosion-horse-running-explosion-sirlilor-gif-14997074002562156044

[strong forum]

Into what

[undone beacon]

Servers down rn for maintenance of some kind

i was crafting my beledars bounties dammit

[dusky canopy]

yeah NA down for 1 hour

almost 1/3 of the way there

[round pendant]

why are +10s easier with pugs than my friends in a 5man

[tepid sparrow]

comfort

i noticed that +6 with my friends can be more difficult than a 9

on a 10 they turn up

but if they're like used to it then it's hard

[round pendant]

we're all easily capable of doing 10s week 1 but put us all together and it falls apart

lmao

I think the dogshit comp + yapping about nonsense instead of kicking

is the problem

[dusky canopy]

I think its like this, in a 10 pug you expect nobody to help so you are on high alert

in a 10 with friends everyone knows each other is capable so youre less alert and just vibin

so more mistakes happen

at least thats what it seems

[fluid widget]

Oh my god the kicking

Discovering my friends don’t like kicking was depressing

[round pendant]

in pugs everyone is like oh shit it's a pug I NEED to kick that thing and then they're happily surprised it got kicked by someone else first

in premades they're like

surely my brothers will get that so I can kick this other thing instead

[dusky canopy]

yep exactly that

[fluid widget]

I had a hunter finish a HoA with 3 kicks

And it’s like brother you can get 3 kicks in the first pull

[tepid sparrow]

early priory runs had routing up going north instead of south and not pulling lynxes and it's like "have you tried this in an actual pug"

like my friends end up pulling like extra groups

[fluid widget]

I’m still undecided on left vs right for priory

[round pendant]

yeah right path is awful

[solid sun]

Why

I been doing right

[fluid widget]

I found that folks die less going right but boss is just more stressful if they don’t kick

[dusky canopy]

I dont like going right at all

[round pendant]

hard to protect others from their own bad decisions

[dusky canopy]

makes the boss harder

[round pendant]

left side is basically on rails

right side is easily fucked up in like 3 different spots

[tepid sparrow]

stairway, extra adds, and the lynxes on the left side heading towards cath entrance

[shrewd grove]

Every season right side gets pitched. If you're in a coordinated group you can trust, it's better. If you're pugging just go left. It is SO much easier

[dusky canopy]

right compared to left, left is just simply easier accross the board

why add a kick to the boss

that makes melee run out of bad ground

thats just ass

[tepid sparrow]

the mini boss and the watch your feet is also I guess like extra kicking

[solid sun]

Then why would the Tactyks easy route go right, guys

It’s labeled easy

[shrewd grove]

Lmao

[solid sun]

Seems pretty self explanatory gosh

[tepid sparrow]

I KNOW

i felt like it was bait

[dusky canopy]

wish the content creators would stop pushing "go right its bis now"

it litteraly sucks ass

[shrewd grove]

In his defense, he even said it might be bait in his videos I think

[fluid widget]

I think tactyks did it based on how hard the judgement hits at super high keys

[lusty grotto]

cause judgment was buffed

[fluid widget]

Whereas in most 10-12 it don’t matter

[lusty grotto]

and it fucking hurts

[fluid widget]

Judgement fucking slaps

[lusty grotto]

i have gone right this entire season

[dusky canopy]

find a way to live it

[lusty grotto]

fuck left

no

FUCK

LEFT

[torn gulch]

That is why you never follow content creators blindly

[dusky canopy]

not like rotating walls is a new thing

[tepid sparrow]

wait what

[lusty grotto]

kicking boss and rotating kicks on mini is not hard

[dusky canopy]

its annoying is what it is

cant hit the main boss half the time

[tepid sparrow]

where do you dance the boss around with all the ground stuff

[dusky canopy]

gotta go kick

[torn gulch]

Gl in pugs with that

[lusty grotto]

i pug

[tepid sparrow]

i'm afraid of the stairs

[lusty grotto]

its fine

[fluid widget]

Fireball also doesn’t one shot until super high keys so there isn’t a ton of damage going out at once

[jagged pier]

Because if they actually kick correctly they never need to go int he ground

[dusky canopy]

I get that yeah

[lusty grotto]

right side is my route so

[dusky canopy]

ive done both, I just find right more annoying

[lusty grotto]

its just gonna stay that way for now

if judgment wasnt buffed, i would have gone left still

or at least a 50/50 split

[jagged pier]

The only reason to go left is there are less footman so its slightly faster, not easier

Thats why u see high keys doing it

[fluid widget]

More sharpshooters though

how do I teach puts to stack

[jagged pier]

Shaprshooters dont reduce damage and if u stack are fine

[fluid widget]

I’ve been dragging mobs on top of them because they’re being dumb

[dusky canopy]

novix/banshers and team went right in the 16 they posted a vod of

someone died to kick 🙂

on boss

[jagged pier]

But u make the boss way harder going left

[undone beacon]

I’ve been going right so fair and it’s been honestly so smooth, pugs and guild groups

[tepid sparrow]

do you skip the lynx pack at the top of the stairs

[solid sun]

I pull lynxes

[undone beacon]

Nah I just rip it tbh

[lusty grotto]

brew, its a 16 with not-really-capped-gear

[jagged pier]

I got kicked from a 10 yesterday because my route went to the right

[lusty grotto]

its gonna hurt like an 18 or a 20

[solid sun]

Lmao that’s wild

[jagged pier]

So they should have kicked, top players make mistakes all the time they just go again. They also are probably very much undergeared as its week 2

[solid sun]

I accidentally let myself get knocked off the platform on the last boss of AK

And I went around the right side of that area

[tepid sparrow]

SO SLOW

[solid sun]

I guess I should have gone to the left

[fluid widget]

Left side is better for AK

Just feels better

Left is law!

[tepid sparrow]

which left

[fluid widget]

Both

[solid sun]

In the last boss area

[undone beacon]

https://threechest.io?id=hvskf4ttczh is what ive been doing for priory and its been butter so far

[fluid widget]

After 1st boss and after 2nd

[round pendant]

Weak

[tepid sparrow]

also floodgate is like

do you guys just leap to a pool that's open

[undone beacon]

I walk boss to the other end of the room

And usually that does it

[tepid sparrow]

sometimes I make like that decision to leap and then he's like "imma push u now"

[nocturne spindle]

the timing for sparks and punch is static

your just jumping super late

you will always have plenty of time to leap

[fluid widget]

Just demolish ez

[tepid sparrow]

but blast

[undone beacon]

yeah thats just skill issue habibi

[jagged pier]

Im just saying honestl right side in priory was better last season and faster with a prot warrior because you jist SR cinderblast it just required externals for the person who got ravaged during/just after storm

[tepid sparrow]

;_;

okay. maybe just slow and steady pull on opposite side of room

[undone beacon]

They also took Cinderblast away this season so we dont even have that

Last season i always went left

but they nerfed the forge guy and buffed the paladin lady iirc so like

[tepid sparrow]

on the left / right side debate, for HoA, why do some "pub friendly" routes have you switching up left / right on 1st and 2nd pulls

[undone beacon]

idk route variety is fun

[undone beacon]

Theres like 30 seconds of RP after the last Shard dies to the boss spawning, trying to optimize that time

[frosty mango]

bro I was hard trolled yesterday because we went right on 12, missed timer by 20 seconds

[jagged pier]

Thats why i said last season, u can always reflect the firstfireball always tho

[frosty mango]

end of run I have 80 interrupts, next person has 20

"yea we totally failed bc I went right" and not because you clowns dont have buttons

[jagged pier]

Sounds like a pug problem

[undone beacon]

Yeee I know, just pointing out :3

[undone beacon]

interrupts this season have been few and far between

[frosty mango]

dunno I have no problem hitting 30-40 a dungeon

even on a healer

[dusky canopy]

the priory pugs going right with an Rsham have been smooth

[undone beacon]

Because you pay attention habibi

[dusky canopy]

they just handle alot of kicks haha

[tepid sparrow]

https://keystone.guru/DhJs0qr

so like that. is that a good route or just weird

[round pendant]

it's a lil weird

[undone beacon]

its a route. Killing the Shard right before boss means you're waiting ~30 seconds for the anima bar to fill so

[round pendant]

I imagine you go clear 10 before boss

[frosty mango]

that is a terrible route

pull 11 will wipe pugs frequently

[undone beacon]

Oh man i didnt even look at the area after first boss lol

[jagged pier]

Most ppl are bad, i had a shaman uesterday claim he used intuprt on cs and it was jist iverlapping with others, on dailcry, when he had cast it 4 times ober the fight

Logs never lie

He didnt have a responce to that

[round pendant]

just do my route it works

https://threechest.io?id=orj5rm05u2g

[dusky canopy]

damn gottem with the logs

classic

[frosty mango]

also pulling double caster with anklebiters is def death sentence for pugs

imo should be skipping as much of that second area as possible, mobs are low efficiency and pathing makes it super prone to ass pulls

[jagged pier]

Well i know he didnt use it on cd because i have a tracker and i pinged the fireball mob, who then got 4 casts off until he intuprted

[frosty mango]

if im in discord with my group I just call interrupts

[undone beacon]

I did the route Roid suggested yesterday and the only problem i had was 2nd area, the timing on the Slashers stone stuff was off so we had to waste like 30 seconds waiting on them

that was less fun

[round pendant]

I got blamed by a bear tank in raid a while back accusing me of taunting off of him

[jagged pier]

And if he was saving for battle cry thats number 2 dumb because i said i was doing battel cry and number 2 dumb as they have the shortest intuprt therefoee should be doing fireball

[frosty mango]

so I do have some grace for kick overlaps but imo many people just dont kick at all

[round pendant]

he was like "I have a WA that shows when you taunt"

and I was like, I have a log that shows I didn't press taunt

he blocked me

[tepid sparrow]

yam, on pull 11, do you like wait for those little shits to pat into it

[frosty mango]

yeah i play around the pats, ill pull some stuff earlier if I need to

like on the slashers before echelon if timing is bad i just pull one

even if its over % its less time to just drag it up into the boss than to wait

[round pendant]

yeah I pull them and the slasher when they show up, I don't go looking for em

[fluid widget]

I’ve done similar to that route, it’s not bad

Biggest issue is that massive pull with all the ankle biters

[undone beacon]

Yeah, I ended up skipping a slasher before 3rd boss and pulling a bit extra to make use of the time

[round pendant]

my route kinda has the assumption that you're playing with a dk for pull 1 tho

to grip the houndmaster in

[undone beacon]

Halls is just my nightmare dungeon lol

[tepid sparrow]

i have more problems with the obliterator getting in

[round pendant]

yep halls sucks

[silent sparrow]

Man, I like that they made pulls much bigger than s1, but it's a real puzzle to group so many packs on warrior and have full aggro

[tepid sparrow]

like pull 2 trying to go big into pull 3 and LOS means that hound will probably be casting loyal beasts on the way

[frosty mango]

Wdym have full aggro

We’re thane gaming we ain’t never losing aggro

[paper crypt]

Mastery is bad?

[tepid sparrow]

i have been legit using leap and wings

[undone beacon]

thane gang big bang can hang blang blang

[frosty mango]

Is mastery a stat?

[tepid sparrow]

cuz dragon

[paper crypt]

I heard it was bad

[silent sparrow]

Like my pug dps will have overtaken the threat of the first pack thunder clap by the time I'm at pack five unless I gather with heroic throw but then I only have one mob in the pack ready

[frosty mango]

Well you better call McDonald’s because we’re loving it fam

We love all stats

But what we love most of all is simming ourselves

[paper crypt]

Ok great I have 22,000 versatility

[frosty mango]

Just run heavy repercussions and you’re good

[silent sparrow]

The sixth pull of floodgate is the one I have the hardest time on

[undone beacon]

I just realized I have 0 vers on my hunter, like the stat doesnt even show up in my overview

[frosty mango]

Hunters and evokers are always dying

Like when I’m healing

Their health bars just drop twice as fast as anyone else

[dusky canopy]

my guildie BM player has -248 vers according to his tooltip

[undone beacon]

yeah cuz i have 0 vers habibi

[dusky canopy]

lmao

[undone beacon]

but that big 1% leech

[frosty mango]

I got big 3% vers on war

Once I get gear normalized it’s prob a vers regem tier again

[paper crypt]

Shout out to leech for enabling my pink healing parses on prot warrior

[jagged pier]

Theres no bad stat u want some of everything, getting around 23%ish of mastery is very good and very easy

[round pendant]

great scott

[fluid widget]

Avoidance

Give me speed or leech any day

[jagged pier]

Okay exclude terts

Even tho, give me back aggrmars stride and haste stacking for clearing old content

[dusky canopy]

I have way to much vers as fury

but it sims good

[tepid sparrow]

https://threechest.io?id=vgbd2242lj I liked this route for flood. I usually have to remember the 2 contractors but someone gave me this here I think and it's fantastic

[lament osprey]

Add four with three

Subtract the snipers on 10 and add the two bros next to 11

[undone beacon]

Thats basically my route yeee

[lament osprey]

Group 10 and 12 together

[round pendant]

https://threechest.io?id=pmm5dk5lzof
that's my floodgate route any suggesties?

[cerulean kite]

So I’m at level 70 now is there any quests I need to do to get level 71 or just keep playing normally?

[undone beacon]

But doing what Dot suggests, 4+5, 10+12 (unless your lust timings are off for MOMMA)

[undone beacon]

I avoid the double architect of 4 because people are bad

[round pendant]

never had a problem with it personally

only when someone accidentally pulls bomb crabs

and I don't notice and someone gets their butt pinched

[undone beacon]

https://threechest.io?id=thex8rix4sd

[halcyon crystal]

at what point do i drop into the fray

[undone beacon]

This is what I do

[undone beacon]

You drop into the fray if your haste is less than 20k

[solid sun]

When y’all do hoa do you a healthy sized lust pull right off the rip

I’ve been taking the Gargon and houndmaster patrol plus the first two vamps that dash to you all the way to the first golem on the left and calling for lust

Then go to the lone golem on the right. Then back to the left (lol) and then other stuff down there before halkias

[old flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/942421144483536927/1407785063445430413/IMG_7822.jpg?ex=68a80642&is=68a6b4c2&hm=e35cf9c6ce2820d4e796728dcbde89cbf79b022fe57b5c3f129e794e5ac000df&

Jk I do lil baby pulls because my pug healers scare me

[dusky canopy]

thats a cook alright

[solid sun]

I don’t like all the extra back tracking

But going right first seems like you gotta break it up more

[plush tendon]

this is what I came up with for flood

oh wait, I can also get crocs

back to the edit table

[hollow sphinx]

is the "delv"-card in a normal treasure box, or in the bountiful one

[tepid sparrow]

https://threechest.io/?id=vgbd2242lj adjusted @lament osprey

seems easier to remember

[vocal roost]

So why did m+ change where rogues arent used for skips anymore?

[heavy sparrow]

If you're at 100.80% you can grab Crocs for dust

[lament osprey]

Snipers on 8 don’t need, take the guys at the end of momma

[heavy sparrow]

Mdt is accurate but not exact in %

[mellow bridge]

because blizz designed dungeons in such a way that shroud is useful but not required anymore

• rogue fell out of the dps meta for a long time so people came up with other solutions

[lunar flare]

Isn't this the route basically everyone took in season 2?

[plush tendon]

looks to be

[lunar flare]

Ah you grab a few diff things actually

[plush tendon]

https://threechest.io?id=204crogywke

i made some cool edits

[lunar flare]

I like it, word on the street is now we go to the double boss first?

What's everyones thought on that

[plush tendon]

lust on Big Momma is better

then double boss

so you lust first pull and lust big Mom

[lament osprey]

Yes, now you can work on quality and less pulls 🫡, gl

[plush tendon]

I really hate the divers in pull 11

but im not sure if there is a better way to get that %

[lunar flare]

Makes sense, I was viewing your route on an iphone mini so didn't see the order clearly. Looks really good now I can see it properly

11 does look a bit sketch if you're pugging it

[tepid sparrow]

yeah those kelp jerks hurt

[lunar flare]

And I have replied to the wrong person, today is not my day

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/366965349767184397/819140247291953172/image0-6.gif

[plush tendon]

People die to the harpoon+bomb

[lofty warren]

If i have a heroic weapon and crafted shield and I'm only m+ing is it always correct to craft another weapon? Forget qhat other gear I have bc it can be farmed in m+ and I'm only vault rolling for mythic items

[plush tendon]

but finding a efficient 3%

is big feels bad

[lunar flare]

I mean you could take the guys above your pull 7

Less efficient but safer, surely

Depends what you value most

[chrome falcon]

15 priory timed goddamn

this class is ridiculous

i didn't even proc BSV and only procced cloak once

[plush tendon]

new idea.... divers on 3rd boss

thoughts

[solid sun]

If you move the divers, you won’t land on bombs if harpoons go off

[lunar flare]

Fun way to get harpooned into a frontal and/or stunned by the leash

[chrome falcon]

harpoons are the easy part

the hard part is bombs in the way of your wave dodges

[lunar flare]

Could you not play the divers while swampface smashes the fish to death

so you isolate them, but make use of the downtime a bit

Then you could drag what's left into the boss since they'd be nearly dead?

[plush tendon]

thats what Im thinking

gonna try this stuff out

[lunar flare]

Try it and report back

[chrome falcon]

that sounds way more legal yeah

sync up stops so they cast bombs together

then drag into boss with aoe kick on harpoons

[plush tendon]

also, for first boss priory... does anyone know where he resets>

I clear the top half before boss

and I hate tanking the boss on stairs, but the area denial is real on this fight

[lunar flare]

Not sure, I just change left/right depending on group comp

If I have a good healer and I trust myself, I go left

Right's a bit more kick heavy and shit is leaping all over the place

But I think he resets where he's standing anyway?

[plush tendon]

my understanding is that on higher keys, going right makes the boss easier?

is that true? I honestly dont know

[solid sun]

No

[plush tendon]

I meant right

[solid sun]

Going left is faster because of fewer footmen

Right makes the boss hurt less

[plush tendon]

I rather that boss hurt less I think?

idk

[solid sun]

I go right

[plush tendon]

right has been smoother

[lunar flare]

Right makes the boss easier for you and the healer, yes

So I swap it up depending on how confident I feel with the healer I'm with

Which is purely vibes based at this stage

[lean aurora]

What curios are y'all using for Brann on delves? Is there a consensus?

[plush tendon]

I throw on whatever

Brann is just extra dps to me

[solid sun]

I have no hard data but last I heard hatarang and aegis

[plush tendon]

Im only a novice mole; I need to up my delve game

[lunar flare]

For Kyveza ?? I used this

[round pendant]

Left first to get lust on cd, backtrack go right, then drop down and do courtyard

then backtrack across courtyard after third shard to kill a pack during boss rp

it's not too bad I think

[azure crag]

Holy crap, shields are expensive to repair

[solid sun]

Being a blacksmith is top notch

[azure crag]

indeed

[lunar flare]

I saw a kira route that plays left first, then a bunch of shit in the middle as you work your way up to the right side. Then you just jump back downstairs for the boss after

Seems to be the least amount of backtracking

Edited because I can't tell left from right

[plush tendon]

the jump down after first shard is kind of spooky (in terms of butt pulls or little dudes running amock)

I also dont know if you want to go back to back shards

[lean aurora]

This is what we do. It works great.

[slate rose]

Hey, is colossus viable in m+?

[plush tendon]

Its viable

[lunar flare]

Memories of holy priest in shadowlands running from left to right side and my flash concentration stacks dropping off

[plush tendon]

but MT is way overtuned right now

with tier

[slate rose]

even only 2p?

[plush tendon]

you can prob play either with only 2pc

I personally prefer Col

but Ill be playing MT cause its just better

[slate rose]

Cool, thanks

i wanna beat my BM hunter friend in dps

[wispy moth]

I switched to Mt with 0p and did 10 with 685, it's absolutely OK to do so

[lean aurora]

My old man wrist likes Col better.

[lunar flare]

Same tbh

[plush tendon]

I just prefer Col playstyle

[wispy moth]

Col is fun to do a big smash, but the apm needed as MT let me feel like a sc2 pro player while playing wish enhsham

[plush tendon]

not really a huge fan of the spam Generators and IP till my fingers fall off

[lunar flare]

I play a few keys as MT and it's time for WRIST AND HAND EXERCISES

[wispy moth]

[plush tendon]

I expect it to recieve some tuning after the race

[lean aurora]

Yessss

[wispy moth]

Already get nerfed, dunno if they can do something

[lunar flare]

Nerf it more

lol

[wispy moth]

Sure but if they do so, only nerfing damage, they can nullify the set. Changing the proc part? Or nerfing the proc rate?

[lunar flare]

Probs the proc rate?

Who knows

Half the time they just guess anyway

Like when they nerfed temporal anomaly on pres evokers so it only put echo on 4 players instead of 5

Then put it back to 5

Then 4 again

Then 5 again

I think they just wait until Dratnos or Tettles say something and then follow that

[solid sun]

Iirc DotC sims higher than us in st

Just need some bear bros to show everyone what’s up

Then we safe

[plush tendon]

yea, maybe we fine

would still like to see Col get buffed

[wispy moth]

Yes, maybe col need a buff

[frank surge]

what would you guys use 2nd spark on? bracers? upgrading the shield and sitting the spark till next week (60 gilded left for the week)? i only do m+

[frigid plume]

i think most tank specs need a buff tbh, the tuning target for tank dps is annoyingly low atm

[plush tendon]

id send the craft on bracers with the embellishment you want

the 3 I levels on shield can be gotten next week easy

or you can use hero craft on bracers now and upgrade shield; seems ike a waste tbh and personally, Id rather just be done with bracers slot

[frank surge]

cheers its also what i was thinking

[narrow cosmos]

Should you double embellish dawn or dusk? Or one of each?

[plush tendon]

whichever you want

the difference is minimal

you can do 1 of each to be cute

vers and crit are both pretty good for us

personally, I choose at the time of crafting

if my vers is higher, I put crit on and vice versa

[narrow cosmos]

That makes sense. My vers has been down hard

Thanks for the info

[round pendant]

I don't need to do that to be cute

[undone beacon]

doing 1 of each clutters up my buff bar which is decidedly not cute

[fluid widget]

I like vers

Because I feel like I never want to stack vers on any spec

[undone beacon]

Go play a bear

hehehehe

Or go PvP I guess

[warm plinth]

Just don't look at the buff bar

[undone beacon]

the knowledge of it being there

not cute

[lunar flare]

Only pvp I’ll be doing is hitting level cap via early access and then going to the starting zone in Midnight with war mode enabled

Waiting for the peasants

[undone beacon]

i might fuck around for the elite warr set this season

its kinda metal

[lavish vector]

where on logs do I find rage wasted?

[shrewd grove]

?? PWarr is cranking right now

[shrewd grove]

Resources. Its a drop down option where you see "Health Points"

[lavish vector]

tyty

[safe jolt]

hey all. got a question for y'all. I checked WoWHead and it appears Ceaseless Swarmgland is C tier but it doesnt offer an explanation. Why is it C tier? And I suppose I wouldnt want to replace a champion sacbrood with a hero ceaseless swarmgland, correct?

and if this isnt the place for it, feel free to direct me to the correct place. And berate me a little for it

[round pendant]

Guys

are crafted boots > heroic reshi raid boots?

🤔

[safe jolt]

I think this is going to be the question of the century lol

[frosty mango]

My bear is low vers high crit parsegod

Long live crit ravage

[frosty mango]

IMO no

If you run keys or do late mythic raid

[round pendant]

I'm prob never getting the boots though tbh

[frosty mango]

For damage yes the craft is better

[round pendant]

I don't do mythic raid and I run heroic for aotc only

[undone beacon]

We gave our first plate boots to dps, I wanted them butttt all in due time

[frosty mango]

But the cloak proc bonus is a significant amount of surv

[round pendant]

shit game design imo

I am never getting them so ig my keys are limited thanks blizz

[frosty mango]

Yea give me gems that let cloak be dps

[hardy snow]

give hc to dps, then on mythic get them, cause dps already have hc and you still running champions one

[frosty mango]

So we can be the goated glad stance gods we were meant to be

[kind urchin]

I got spoonfed gear. It almost felt like I was in a split but it wasn't. I like my new guild.

[undone beacon]

So true so true

[round pendant]

I have 681 crafted neck, 684 myth (s2) boots

I can't decide what to craft first

ELP

[undone beacon]

Sim it

[round pendant]

I can't

[undone beacon]

Why not?

[round pendant]

I'm stupid

I'd have to sim vs bis m+ neck, vs bis m+ boots, heroic reshi boots

can't someone just tell me

lmao

🥄

[undone beacon]

smh it’s not that hard you sillybilly

Go into top gear, add all the options you’re going for, and run it

Top gear lets you add whatever pieces you want to your “bag”

[toxic gyro]

Shield>weapon> lowest ilvl / doesn’t matter much what item

[frosty mango]

Honestly I’ll craft chest

[neon elk]

I will craft neck as last option as its one of best( along with rings) ways how to optimize stats

U ran recraft later but thats too much hassle for me

[frosty mango]

It’s high stat budget piece and getting that soon will be prob the biggest upgrade you can get unless you catch a lucky vault or raid mythic

[modern snow]

thunder blast vs shield slam ST in rota prio
and
execute vs shield slam reset?

thane angle

[frosty mango]

The wowhead guide has a detailed breakdown

[modern snow]

What category is it under?

rota?

[round pendant]

I got hero crit/haste chest 🤷‍♂️

[frosty mango]

Yessir

[modern snow]

thank <3

Also, maybe weird question; is there a macro that would allow me to bind shieldslam and execute to the same button, which prioritises one over the other?

[strong forum]

nope

[modern snow]

okay sick thanks

[cerulean kite]

This might sound silly but if I buy the war within $50 edition I don’t need the subscription correct?

For both retail and classic if I decide to play that at any point

[safe jolt]

you do need a sub. also, you "dont" buy TWW as of yesterday since you can preorder Midnight (and someone will correct me if you still need to buy TWW)

[cerulean kite]

Yeah I think I saw in the pre order it came with war within

I was just curious bc it seems I’ve come to an impasse with doing the same dungeons over and over lol wanted something new for my 70-80 journey

[kind glen]

this guy gets it

[mighty valley]

I think you need tww in some form to go from 70-80

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-ricky-gif-19722488

[cerulean kite]

That explains my missing exp bar after I hit 70 lol

[mighty valley]

How many zero exp dungeons have you done

[hollow sphinx]

what do we use our sparks for? Im just running heroic

[frosty mango]

Shield > weapon > next lower slots

Shield is first craft basically always unless you have mythic option

[solid sun]

When do the heroic bosses start having tank mechanics

[mighty valley]

you're not thrilled by a taunt swap?

[frosty mango]

Never

[solid sun]

Oh heck yeah

We big chilling

[frosty mango]

Unless you count “move boss here” as a mechanic

[solid sun]

What about the night king

Just make sure you take one of each flavor?

[mighty valley]

nexus king has taunt swap + don't get hit by same twice + don't run around like an idiot so the raid can get hit by what they need to get hit by

[solid sun]

In his little four piece combo

[jagged gust]

Most bosses have interesting movement at least

[frosty mango]

Pretty sure in heroic you just stand on boss and let raid come to you

That’s what I did

[solid sun]

On normal the bdk I pugged with kept letting me take three of his hits

[frosty mango]

No one complained

[mighty valley]

yeah that's the "don't run around" part

[solid sun]

And it didn’t matter

[lofty warren]

If i have a heroic weapon and crafted shield and I'm only m+ing is it always correct to craft another weapon? Forget qhat other gear I have bc it can be farmed in m+ and I'm only vault rolling for mythic items

[jagged gust]

We just said swap on soak, mitigate if two in a row

No one died, eventually

[frosty mango]

I’d still craft weapon prob

[solid sun]

I will admit

I did not know the Dimensius portal started the encounter

I totally wiped the pug but some arms warrior went with me and fell on his sword for me

Was so sick

I also got a couple people by telling them to click on the gates instead of using their extra action buttons while traversing the raid

Never will get old

[jagged gust]

insert Wilhelm scream here

[frosty mango]

I really like saying “spam click your cloak to teleport” on the trash guys with the lightning

Always get like 5 people

[shrewd plinth]

I had a prog pull on heroic forge master Araz where I could tell the tank was getting trucked by the stacking atk speed mob in intermission. Taunted it off him and died as fury. 95% sure that getting the stacks reset saved him

[cerulean kite]

Like 2-3

[solid sun]

Yeah great job Slaynne

We’re talking about killing people not saving them gosh

[shrewd plinth]

:x misread the room

[solid sun]

Does his black hole suck get stronger on heroic

Or maybe stronger faster

My squad is not a fan of that phase

[shrewd plinth]

Araz final phase? It keeps ramping for sure. We smashed him in normal so hard to tell

[solid sun]

My squad definitely do be lacking in the smash department

[shrewd plinth]

We killed him with a 30 man group Tuesday. About the only element that we get mainly right is the dps

Have some weird healing and tanking shenanigans

Helps massively if the tanks maximize your ability to cleave as much as possible

[warm plinth]

Good afternoon

[shrewd plinth]

Final phase they kept struggling to keep him in the back of the room, meanwhile all the dps are following the orbs. As soon as we got them making the boss follow the orbs he died

[undone beacon]

It does ramp pretty fast. We lusted 2nd damage amp to have lust going for the start of that phase. Had multiple sub 2% wipes lmao

[solid sun]

Oof

I wish I could be in pash’s raid group

I love sub 2% wipes. Makes you feel something

[lone hemlock]

With 4pc set. How good is self sustain colossus vs mountain thane m+ ? Is it a play what you want or is there a significant margin?

[undone beacon]

All this made me feel was sorrow

[undone beacon]

Mountain Thane does considerably more damage than colossus. You can still play colossus if you really want but you're missing out on a lot

[lone hemlock]

Cool, I'd probably give thane a shot, its what I did S1. I was more concerned in comparing the tanksiness

[undone beacon]

Thane tends to be tankier as well

the long is short is big lightning time

[jagged gust]

I called lust once we transitioned to 3rd pillar of second intermission and called for only ranged to swap to the mirror image, went from 2% wipe to killing boss before the suck started

[round pendant]

ok so

random in our 4man + 1 pugger

voted to abandon

and it instantly completed

?

[quick spruce]

Do I hard stop at 21k haste?

[cerulean kite]

Is it due to ignore pain?

[azure crag]

should you spend all your charges of thunder blast before you go into avatar?
Or should you just rip avatar as soon as its off CD?

[undone beacon]

mirror image as in the attendant? Should note we're just heroic andys lol

[undone beacon]

Spend TB procs before avatar

[jagged gust]

Yeah whatever the group soak add is called

[undone beacon]

The Echo is usually dead way before intermission

[quick spruce]

When do I revenge as MT?

[undone beacon]

when you have nothing else to hit

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah that's not the issue, it's having the boss at lower HP once the suck phase initiates

Mirror dies regardless

[round pendant]

Anybody seen this?

[undone beacon]

yeah that was our issues. To be fair we have some... stragglers on the meter. Working on that

[undone beacon]

I have not, sorry bb

[round pendant]

dude just griefed our key

love that

thanks blizz

[undone beacon]

Something something addon autoaccepting dialogue boxes?

[round pendant]

no

[undone beacon]

well thats all i have to offer then, good day

[round pendant]

it came up and my friend said no

and me and 2 others didn't even see it

and it insta completed and abandoned :)

[solid sun]

Oof

No more pugs

Most of my group that makes up the raid already started barely logging in more than just for raid

So hopefully that gets fixed before I have to start pugging

I really probably need to find a new squad that likes wow for a longer period of time lol

[azure crag]

is there a downside to delaying using 4 piece proc?
Like, say shield slam is off CD, and the 4 piece is active with one charge of thunderblast

If I hit shield slam then, do I lose anything?

or is that fine?

[rough egret]

Game is not giving me tiers..

Only tears

Lfr,normal,hc.. got one token in 2 weeks 😄

[rough egret]

It says your next TB is empowered so its fine to use SS

[strong forum]

It's a 12sec buff iirc or atleast along those lines

[undone beacon]

Join my guild ez

[strong forum]

It's not your next cast has to be TB

[undone beacon]

You cant munch the tier proc because it only procs on Ionizing Strikes which procs from TB so

[warm plinth]

You shouldn't SS though theoretically, as the severe thunder TBs have prio over SS even in ST unless outburst is active, iirc

[strong forum]

Nah especially then

[solid sun]

I’d need to find a dps spec I like that isn’t prot war

[strong forum]

For raw dmg I think

Fully buffed TB with all buffs I think hits harder than SS

Have not looked at any numbers cuz uuuh

[undone beacon]

I'd say I'll take our offtank out back and shoot him but we have like, three other people lined up to tank LOL

[strong forum]

[solid sun]

lol

[undone beacon]

We have an abundance of people who want to tank which is wild to me

Last season we were BEGGING people to learn tanking offspecs

[warm plinth]

Got my 4pc yesterday and probably the first time since I started pwar in Legion that I've considered rebinding IP

[undone beacon]

just bind IP into SS 5hed

[azure crag]

That was kinda my line of logic. "the 4 piece proc isn't going anywhere, but I might miss out on a shield slam reset if its not on CD."
So wasn't sure if I should send the shield slam first and the proc after or if I'm losing something by not firing the proc immediately

[undone beacon]

(for the lurkers, dont)

[warm plinth]

I guess I need a 4pc tracker too huh

I was just yoloing it and still gained like 1.1 mil on my average overall

[undone beacon]

I mean, do you really

[soft mason]

What is the best guide (Wowhead/IcyVeins) for Prot Warr. this go around?

[warm plinth]

Idk. I just press button like @pallid quiver taught me to

[undone beacon]

Both guide writers are in this chat, both guides are good

[sharp merlin]

Wait

[warm plinth]

Both guides are good. I use wowhead generally only because I find icy-veins rough to look at

[sharp merlin]

You need to press it under a Ruleset?

[soft mason]

tytytytyty

[sharp merlin]

I just press it lol

[warm plinth]

A ruleset?

[undone beacon]

if you want to optimize, yeah there are conditions for when to best use each button

[warm plinth]

Oh, well, technically yes

[undone beacon]

but like 99% of the playerbase will just hit the button that glows and be perfectly fine

[warm plinth]

4pc buffed TB takes priority over basically everything except cooldowns. Regular TB is below shield slam

But realistically it's a min max I'd imagine

Provided you are playing properly otherwise

[sharp merlin]

Gonna need a 4pc tracker

[undone beacon]

Unless you have 2 TB charges, then its above SS

[azure crag]

but doesn't hitting the 4 piece with shield slam off CD potentially lose a shield slam reset?
That's my biggest quesiton

[sharp merlin]

I’m used to having avatar being a defensive

[undone beacon]

thus, the power of conditionals

[sharp merlin]

I’m guessing I just IP to make up for hits?

Like priory first boss I used to have SW for most bits

[undone beacon]

It can, and hitting SS with 2 TB charges can potentially munch a proc

Its a feedback loop

[sharp merlin]

And by defensive I mean defensive offense

[undone beacon]

And sometimes you're gonna munch, it happens

[warm plinth]

Actually this begs the question, can tb proc ionizing or only regular tc?

[undone beacon]

Munching a proc or a reset here or there isnt the end of the world

[warm plinth]

I'll munch you

[undone beacon]

Thunder Blast procs Ionizing, not Thunder Clap

Just hitting TC will never proc Ionizing

[warm plinth]

Listen

I never claimed to have brain cells

Or to be able to read

[undone beacon]

To be fair we are prot warriors

Zugging is easier than reading

[warm plinth]

Even though I am literally staring at the wowhead page with the tier bonuses

[azure crag]

Oh yeah, I figured that much. If I got two charges of TB, I send thunderblast regardless of SS's cooldown

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-bite-orange-cat-orange-cat-attack-gif-10142361798712867466

[dim tide]

Hi guys, got hero track weapon and champion shield what should i craft? weapon or shield?

[warm plinth]

Shield and weapon

[undone beacon]

Shield -> Weapon

[warm plinth]

[azure crag]

but if I'm only on one thunderblast and I got the 4 piece up
but then shield slam comes off CD, I figured "I won't lose anything by hitting shield slam here...I think?"

[restive oak]

embellishments dont scale with ilvl do they?

[warm plinth]

If you only have one tb then you're safe

If you are capped, tb is more important since it'll at least consume one first if it procs one

[jagged pier]

The only time u dont send on 2 tbs is on ST anr u have VB and ss ready

Then u ss

Otherwise sending tb is fine

[undone beacon]

they scale with the ilvl of the piece they are on

[restive oak]

ok

[undone beacon]

i love acronyms i love acronyms

[azure crag]

Prot warrior rotation feels like trying to wrangle chaos into a box that's about half a size too small.
And then bloodlust happens and you need to do it twice as fast.

It is fun. But good lord the speed and the randomness of it

[warm plinth]

Those are initialisms smfh

[undone beacon]

Nah I treat em like acronyms not initialisms

"The only time you dont send on 2 TEEBS is on STUH and u have VUB and SSSSSSS ready"

[frozen berry]

I like how blizzard was like “We’re changing warrior it has too much APM after season 1”

Season 3: More APM than Season 1

[frank surge]

hey guys just got tome for the first time, can u recommend any WA for it?

[wooden spruce]

hey all! fast question, should i craft belt to replace the delves one or a shield? currently using a 701 shield but wowhead says belt+bracers but down in the same thread says shield

[undone beacon]

shield first

unless you have or can gaurentee you're gonna get a myth shield soon

[wooden spruce]

kk, thanks!

[solid sun]

Fast questions require fast answers

No explanations or qualifications, Pash

We got places to be and people to see and TB’s to spend

[harsh musk]

kyzeva bran as healer or dps for the fight?

[jagged pier]

dps

[blazing ridge]

man almost 60% avatar uptime feels so nice

[frank bobcat]

4 set acquired! I will never try pugging heroic this early in a tier ever again 😭 😭 💀 💀

[uncut sparrow]

Lazy tome… re-equip trinket before every boss fight… when the WA dings use the trinket. It’s a good idea to have it freshly equipped 20-30 seconds before you think a puller timer will begin.

[rough egret]

Its all fine, one shot 6/8 yesterday cba about last two

[fluid widget]

Why reequip?

[undone beacon]

I'm realizing i gotta run a bunch of 10 streets now smh

[rough egret]

Neck? 🙂

[undone beacon]

Need the neck, ring, legs, and boots. And maybe steal a mailmental

[rough egret]

Uff lots on the shopping list

[undone beacon]

You know it

And I'll get three codexes before anything I need

[uncut sparrow]

It forces it to give you a proc on your opener every time.

[rough egret]

For some reason, the best neck that i can get now based on sims is high verse one.. strange it makes me drop 4k haste

[mellow bridge]

to be expected if you have low amounts of vers

[rough egret]

Im around 10% now, got the neck from priory today.

[nocturne spindle]

i think you can go healer fine actually

easier to live and i think she scales up a bit if you have dps bran

[harsh musk]

rage quit for tonight them adds just seem to hit me when im looking at them

[mellow bridge]

healer bran is rly useless

just press SW for every suck in and you will never lose hp

dps bran makes the fight quicker by several minutes

[arctic citrus]

oww yea

[harsh musk]

whats bext curios for brann this time round

[jagged pier]

Hatarang

And aegis

[fluid widget]

If you get lucky the audio one is pretty good too

[harsh musk]

jesus im looking at the adds and getting obliterated still -.-

[wind whale]

New prot here. I find myself very focused on maintaining ignore pain uptime in M+ (low keys 6 and 7's) and has me wondering if I'm doing it wrong. A lot of times I maintain full health but I wonder if i'm giving up a lot of dmg by not dumping rage on other things and letting the healer do more work? maybe spend on more revenges? I'm already shield slamming on cd and maintaining sheild block.

[open harbor]

Can I reasonably run Colassus? I just like how it feels. Or would it be better to roll with Mountain Thane? Is there a major difference? Going for 3k for context.

[restive oak]

if you have new 4 set thane is better

[round pendant]

it's fine

[restive oak]

but im sure colossus is viable to

more tanky, a lil less optimal

i do enjoy the shockwave talent