protection

[sharp merlin]

Dungeon? And Key level? And what’s your gaming chair?

[mighty valley]

nah, s3 2p isn’t very strong

if there’s a billion ilvl difference it could be worth it, so sim

but usually keeping s2 4p and sticking colossus is stronger til 4p

[azure crag]

Man. So many pulls I could never comfortably do as blood feel so easy as prot warrior

[jagged pier]

priory 9

[solid sun]

shut up jake

stop being so op

making me feel so small

[jagged pier]

fucking trinket wont drop

[solid sun]

lol

[jagged pier]

look at this shit

[azure crag]

trinket isn't real, you can't convince me it is

[jagged pier]

i have another pair of shoulders too

[solid sun]

do you have anyone who can loot it and trade it to you that you can add to your party?

[jagged pier]

i am pure pugging atm

[solid sun]

:(

[vestal edge]

Any idea why mplus talent build doesnt include sudden death? seems super synergistic is there any recommended talent to drop for it?

[jagged pier]

because for most ppl instegate will be better

but u can run it if u want

I do

[blazing ridge]

Are you already playing Thane without 4p? @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

i am

[vestal edge]

i was considering dropping aoe taunt? dont usually need it

[blazing ridge]

Nice dps, I have 4p but not reaching those dmg numbers.. mhm

AoE Taunt is goated

[hidden rock]

Your aoe int/taunt?

[vestal edge]

ah doesnt let me nvm

i didnt even see they added an int to that XD

yeah feels bad dropping instigat etho

[blazing ridge]

Maybe I will change Instigate for Sudden Death

My target switch/execute playstyle can be improved for sure

[vestal edge]

yeah i mean i just did a low key and my devastator only did like around 111 mil while execute did over 700 mil. so losing 10 percent of devastator isnt bad and u get some smoothing of rage with the free executes

Anyone else find dragon roar feels kinda sissy tho

[hidden rock]

Tbf, it normally kind of is.

[vestal edge]

i miss spear

spear felt like big damg and it gave u a damage amp

[azure crag]

I thought you could still take spear if you wanted

[hidden rock]

I feel like Blizz can't have either of them be strong or they keep nerfing them.

[solid sun]

You can

[hidden rock]

^

[solid sun]

They're both good rn

[undone beacon]

Spear is totally viable. It’s better for burst vs roar which is better for sustained and gathering

[mighty valley]

you’re allowed to use spear, it’s just a longer cooldown and harder to hit as many mobs with it on pull

[solid sun]

Thane actually prefers spear iirc

[karmic plinth]

spear and roar are just presonal preference pics

[vestal edge]

yeah tehyre both bottom talents so its just 3 in one or the other

but the build recced roar so i thought there was some synergy to it plus low cd

[vestal edge]

all about dat burst

[undone beacon]

Roar is technically easier to play so it’s the default pick for the guides

Same with instigator vs SD, more personal preference but instigator is full passive no thought

[solid sun]

It's also superior to Spear when you're colossus imo because it helps where col can struggle - on the pull

Thane doesn't really have that same kinda issue

I have a weakaura question if anyone here can help me

[hidden rock]

No

[solid sun]

I use Nome's suite and I noticed some stuff appears to be turned off and I'd like to try to turn it on and I have no idea how to do that.

[frosty holly]

Brother!

[undone beacon]

Look in the conditions tab of the specific WAs, make sure they're set to load when you want them

Has anyone braved the VDH discord? I want to help our offtank improve but i dont know jack about VDH in raid

If I throw a log at them will they devour me

[solid sun]

Meyra is over there

Meyra is good people

[strong forum]

Tank part of felhammer is good

DPS part

not good

but thats all discords

DPS are demons

[undone beacon]

Thats cuz tanks are goated and awesome

[hidden rock]

[azure crag]

Tanks are mentally fortified after years of being called slurs in party chat

[undone beacon]

Cool. I did nearly double his damage over the three fights we did so uhhh yeah we gotta figure that out

[hidden rock]

You got party chat slurs? Mine where in /say 🙁

[strong forum]

i just slur back

and refer to the DPS meter that theyre losing to the tank

[hidden rock]

^

[strong forum]

(i dont get yelled at but thats what i would do)

[frosty holly]

Very rare that i get called anything negative in pugs. At most it happens if i give an item to a friend over a pug

[solid sun]

I'm never called anything, but sometimes I do get people bitching about routing

[jagged pier]

every piece of loot but the 2 i need

[azure crag]

I don't get called slurs too often anymore. Because I stopped getting my party killed as often.

[hardy snow]

why doesnt he looks for advices himself?

[jagged pier]

why u need talents to get out of first tier

[undone beacon]

He needs to but I'm also trying to be proactive because strangers on the internet cant be trusted

[solid sun]

Well they are a VDH

And you are quite powerful as both a bear and a warrior

Going to be very difficult for them to keep up

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-on-your-left-gif-14036499

Pash vs their off-tank

[frosty mango]

Yes brother this is the way

[shrewd plinth]

Now that I’m 4pc should I be thaning m+? I tried it before 4pc and was unimpressed

[frosty mango]

Someone called my floodgate route “cooked bullshit” today

Then we +3d it

Rip that guy

[solid sun]

Yes. 4pc is huge

[undone beacon]

true, but double damage over a night is cooked

he's grey parsing and im orange like

he's messin somethin up

[frosty mango]

Imagine having 4pc

Or even 2pc

I’m out here in 12s demolishing….my hopes and dreams of loot

And not timing them

[solid sun]

I have been doing 9s and 10s with old 4pc because I got zero tier

[frosty mango]

Pug dps are a struggle rn

[solid sun]

Warrior tokens didn't even drop in raid, dude

Like I didn't even have the opportunity to roll on 'em

[frosty mango]

I pug a 12, we miss timer, dps are like “I dunno bro route sux” while they do 3.5’ overall

[urban vortex]

Any good tips on the gather for M+? Been having issues getting aggro quickly on large pulls. Still working on my 4piece so running Colossus.

[trim marten]

Any of the delve trinkets good?

[cursive needle]

Essence Gorger is decent but there are many others that are way better outside of delves

[coral verge]

Any big changes in talent setup w/o 4set?

For mountain thane, M+

[buoyant sparrow]

is Symbiotic Ethergauze bad?

[strong forum]

yeah, play colossus instead xd

[vestal edge]

just ran a 9, felt WAY stronger with sudden deaht, didnt notice rage difference at all and did like 500mil more execute. i ran the spear also tho, seems a little tedious and long cd. i think dragon roar and sudden death is the way

[strong forum]

ya sexecute build is fun

[prisma echo]

Lads can someone help me with this topic? 🙂 Ill appreciate a lot! #protection message

[strong forum]

dropping defensive talents its EA -> BSV -> SS
best offensive combo is dropping EA and BSV to pick up heavy handed and massacre
never drop whirling blade

for raid you can drop Shield spec cuz none of the tank mechanics are blockable

in keys youre garbage hard trolling if you drop shield spec cuz your block is LITERALLY what makes us tanky

[prisma echo]

Thanks a lot, straight to the point, laser sharp what i needed ❤️

[plain spear]

so if im reading guide right, we dont get off our 4pc s2 set until we have a full 4pc of S3 set?

[strong forum]

for m+ yes

for raid you can use 2pc thane already

[plain spear]

appreciat ya ❤️

[willow portal]

dude

did the raid in 5 toons

every time tier sets were always coming to the same class

wtf is this

like if 2nd boss dropped tier for druid, 3rd and 4th did as well

[mellow bridge]

we did splits for hc and normal

we almost only had dk tokens drop

[willow portal]

wtf is this game

[mellow bridge]

[plain spear]

what exactly are splits?

[willow portal]

my h split was only pala tier sets

wtf is actually going on

[mellow bridge]

instead of raiding with your full main roster, you split them up and raid with a mix of alts and mains

this way you generate the maximum amount of loot for the main chars

[lofty quail]

is it haste crit the right stats ?

[willow portal]

sim yourself

cant really tell

[lofty quail]

archon says that it haste crit

[upper ice]

Haste is generally a safe bet, but it really is always sims

[fluid widget]

Archon is a summary of aggregated data

Not what’s best

[willow portal]

most people are using haste crit from prot build fo s2

in my sims verse is more valuable than crit now

[obtuse egret]

So, what do you think the odds are that we get damage nerfed again? Looking at some of the logs from highkeys and prot warrior seems to be doing a lot more

[solar forum]

Running quaziis plater profile. Anyone have a good script or mod to make the healthbars change color or something when the mob is in execute range?

[heavy sparrow]

So apparently 2 set piece S2 and 2 set piece S2 sims me 300k more for 5 targets for collosus.

I put my non tier helm and chest piece on and simmer afterwards incase there was a sim glitch if it accidentally captured a 4p and 2p.

[sweet radish]

hey all i have a question i can make a 2 set (hero-track) bhut i cinda want to wait for a 4set so i can keep the s2 set active or is that rong ?

[kind glen]

I would full send MFO 4set asap. Hero gear isn't any different from champ gear at this point imo

[heavy sparrow]

I provided a link for 2p s2 and 2p s3 unsure if it's Bugged
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9t5WT5gNqRrMjYFqvkm3UC

[lusty grotto]

its not bugged

do you have the required haste? seems like you do

if so, go for it

the idea behind the swap is centered around SB uptime

if haste numbers are met, and SB doesnt suffer from taking off s2 4pc, you can certainly swap

at this point most people have some pieces

so the 4pc into 4pc advice basically only applies to the first few days, it should be fine for most geared folks now

to use 2pc 2pc

[lusty grotto]

likely because youre already overloaded with crit

but thats not the case in a vacuum

crit will be superior in that case

[strong forum]

week 1 logs are FAR from representative

data will be skewed for a while until more people are geared up on tanks that ARENT the "meta" tanks for raid

[wooden widget]

As a prot tank what’s the mythic plus god comp for our dmg specifically?

[sharp merlin]

bruh lol

[strong forum]

pwar, enha/rogue/feral/dk/ret, mw/resto

skyfury is mandatory

[wooden widget]

Sham and rogue buffs are comparable would you say?

Ok gotcha

[strong forum]

rest fill out buffs or strong melees

[wooden widget]

Perfect ty

[opal spruce]

Hello prot people

[obtuse spindle]

looking at routing in ecodome - do you not have to hit all the little beacons "K'areshi Surge" after the second boss? I assumed they were required

[potent anvil]

No. It's just a haste buff. I usually skip the first one.

[obtuse spindle]

right that's what i'm seeing on keystone.guru rn. well that's good to know

ty

[azure crag]

The wowhead and icy veins guides for prot warrior don't align perfectly with one another.
Is one guide better than the other?

[blazing shuttle]

My fellow warriors, when I sim for M+, do I put Patchwerk/5 Bosses/1min 30?

[frosty mango]

Tbh I pull as little of this trash as possible, pactspeakers suck

[strong forum]

why should they align perfectly with each other

different writers different guides no?

guides arent rulesets, theyre recommendations

[azure crag]

because I am now confused on a couple aspects of prot warrior gameplay

[obtuse spindle]

input both guides into AI, ask it which is best

[strong forum]

[lofty widget]

if there's no prio target, is there a target count where execute with heavy handed talent is not used? or like, when does it go from execute>TC/TB to TC/TB>execute?

[strong forum]

6

above 6 targets

[lofty widget]

thx

[azure crag]

like the icyveins guide doesn't recommend using execute in AoE at all, even with heavy handed

[strong forum]

sure

it could be 2 reasons

a) guide is slightly more defensive oriented and therefor not recommending a defensively sub-optimal approach
b) wasnt entirely considered or not seemed worth to specify

c) mwahi cant update guides as freely as i can on wowhead

[azure crag]

Hmm....I suppose I'm just used to blood dk where both guides on Wowhead and icyveins were pretty much saying the same thing, but in different ways and different points of clarity between them

I assume the wowhead guide is the one to follow for prot warrior, tho
Cause not using execute at all when we have so many execute talents feels...wrong

[frosty mango]

If it’s bothering you that much you can just ask mwahi

[azure crag]

I mostly just wanted to know which guide was more up to date

[normal current]

Both

[chilly brook]

Just wait until you get brand

[normal current]

Are up to date, the guide writers have different approaches tho

[chilly brook]

Unless you already do have it

[strong forum]

we both have deadlines to have the guide ready for launch

so theyre both up to date

[normal current]

You don’t need your hand completely held, you can mix and match to suit you

[turbid forge]

Hello im new from war prot and i see people play both heroic talent, what is the ddifference beetwin both ? one is more tanky ? one more dps ? than,ks !

[strong forum]

[pastel geyser]

yo guys how's prot looking for season 3? seeing fury isnt really getting in a better spot makes me wonder if i should try prot for this season, in s1 it was pretty fun

talking more for m+

[normal current]

Top key so far is fury kek

[strong forum]

week 1 of the season when nobody is properly pushing keys in untuned dungeons and with 0 gear

[azure crag]

I don't really want my hand held, but when two different guides are saying opposite things, it does make me question whose the one to follow

[strong forum]

[azure crag]

I'm still quite new to prot warrior

[pastel geyser]

im sure that will not tay the same for long :d

[normal current]

Do you like to play offensively or defensively

[normal current]

Maybe, maybe not. Let them have their moment

[azure crag]

I have no preference

[strong forum]

i recommend reading my wowhead post about that

cuz its not a 1 sentence answer

[normal current]

Of course not, but tank meta will have an impact on the rest of the group

Got a link?

[strong forum]

tank meta has 2 routes

[rough egret]

Yea he does

[normal current]

Physical and magical

[strong forum]

phys comp - pwar/brwe
caster comp - vdh/prot pal

[normal current]

Indeed

[frosty mango]

Yes but only one is right, the one with warrior 🔥 🔥 🔥

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank#mythic-talent-build

[azure crag]

No blood dk/bear meta
smh

[strong forum]

ah right

bear for caster comp also possible

but yeh

[normal current]

Not seeing much against why fury is currently in the top key

[strong forum]

bruh

[normal current]

My assumption is because of mystic touch

[strong forum]

cuz NOBODY pushing

[normal current]

Yeah no shit, I didn’t say it was meta

[strong forum]

everyone is raiding

[normal current]

I literally commented that it’s currently the top key

So fury is obviously not a dead pick

[strong forum]

it will be

for phys meta comp it will be

its only showing up cuz its probably crit cake

you will still see dps warriors pushing cuz theyre OTPs

they play dps warrior cuz they play dps warrior

[normal current]

This debate is bordering on the asinine now though. Fury is currently doing +16 week 1. For me that clearly means it’s not turbo shit

[frosty mango]

Week 1-2 top keys are gonna be crazy, no one has gear, most folks raiding

Fury’s primary issue is n-target scaling which still exists. Once everyone is geared basically all other phys melee will outscale warrior for that reason. Warrior also brings zero group utility relative to other melee picks and when real push comes that’s what actually matters

[normal current]

Will it be meta? No probably not

[strong forum]

no spec is ever turbo shit enough to be unable to do keys

[frosty mango]

There’s no class that’s objectively shit people get title on every spec every tier

Except Hpriest that’s awful

[normal current]

That’s my point

[strong forum]

[heavy sparrow]

I may be putting myself on on Heavy repercussions this season since I'm having a skill issue on my uptime I need to address

[strong forum]

im confused

[jagged pier]

i have it

[normal current]

The guy was dooming over fury

[strong forum]

right

[normal current]

I said it’s not that bad because it’s done a +16 already

Obviously that’s like 0.1% or whatever

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-yes-giggle-gif-13898844

[strong forum]

and hes probably not a person who has every single m+ title with the same group

[frosty mango]

Just wait until you get tier then

[strong forum]

hes probably going to pug keys

and nobody will invite warrior that isnt tank

[jagged pier]

yer exactly, only problem is ive just done like 25 priories this weekend

no tome

[strong forum]

prot warrior is the only warrior spec that isnt considered dogshit

[jagged pier]

so probs same luck with tier

[strong forum]

which he pointed out

that fury isnt looking too hot

which is correct

[frosty mango]

My war has exactly zero tier too, I ran 10 more today lol

[normal current]

That doesn’t make saying it isn’t shit incorrect

[strong forum]

what are we even arguing then

[warm plinth]

I don't even know what the debate is here

[normal current]

Semantics apparently

[heavy sparrow]

Scoobie doobie do. We tank more than just adds

[jagged pier]

got signet twice, shoulders twice, bracers twice, boots twice and a neck...... I could also the shield as i have free upgrade too 704

[normal current]

You are arguing perception of a spec

Which I don’t disagree with

[chilly brook]

The trinket is so wild

[jagged pier]

but nah have the useless loot

[strong forum]

no like

[normal current]

Objectively the spec is ok

[strong forum]

what are you arguing about

[chilly brook]

Normal version is doing half a mil dps by itself

[jagged pier]

u just chain pull keep the stacks at 15 big damage

[normal current]

But they won’t see picks because they are perceived to be shit

[chilly brook]

For me

[strong forum]

im so confused

[chilly brook]

Yeeeee

[agile elbow]

They're arguing that fury isn't bad because it's fury. But it's bad because it does terrible damage.

[vale escarp]

Got lucky in a normal raid and got Brand of Ceaseless Ire, its like 11% of my Overall damage, is it really that much stronger than tome?

[strong forum]

all he asked was how prot is

[chilly brook]

Uh yea

[strong forum]

in s3

[agile elbow]

[chilly brook]

Brand is nuts

[strong forum]

and you went onto going about fury being in a top key

and i explained WHY its in a top key

nothing else

[normal current]

Ok let’s make it simple.

I’m saying fury has currently done the highest key - the fact it’s week 1 and people are pushing raids to one side. As a result it can’t be that shit.

You are saying it’s shit because it’s not meta and won’t get picked because of community perception

It came about because he wants to Prot because he can’t get groups as fury

[chilly brook]

Wow you mean one of the only pure physical dps ended up in a top key in a season where phys comp with monk tank is probably a thing?

[normal current]

Woosh

[warm plinth]

can we just chill on this? Like the guy was just saying it wasn't shit. I think we can all agree that it's not shit (realistically speaking, not perception speaking). Can we just leave it there lol

[solid sun]

I timed a couple 10s this week

Absolutely ZOOMING

[strong forum]

nobody said it was shit

[lusty grotto]

ghash

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

and roid

what are we doing with HoA mini boss

[strong forum]

thats why im so confused

[lusty grotto]

ive heard conflicting shit

[warm plinth]

I've just been fighting it at the top because it's cleaner

[lusty grotto]

like the LoS shit doesnt work, the back portal snap doesnt work, "you should kill souls"

etc etc

[chilly brook]

Imo depends on the group

[solid sun]

I pull him up top and just blast and kill whatever walks into us

[warm plinth]

She spawns like 238904120431 adds now so better to just deal with the longer fight that is less likely to result in deaths. Plus the circle size got cut in half so it's a lot less spicy up there

[chilly brook]

If you have a rogue or mage, I’d fight it in the room with the souls

[lusty grotto]

he heals for way too much to make the LoS SL garbage good

[normal current]

Most groups I’ve done it with you just pull it wherever and just wail on it until it’s done absorbing adds and dies lol

[warm plinth]

He also gets rid of the adds faster that he heals from

Because he spawns like 6 at once

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess

[chilly brook]

Rogue and mage are going to do more damage to him and potentially let you skip a phase if you tank in the souls

[normal current]

It helps to move him to the untapped souls so they have less hp when they are active, due to cleave

[lusty grotto]

right im aware griff

[vale escarp]

My affli wl told me to tank it next to the adds so he got bigger DPS while cleavin

[lusty grotto]

funnel is always good

plus execute stonks

for reverse funnel

ok whatever im just gonna do what Kaos said

ive been just doing him wherever

[warm plinth]

I don't think that's a bad idea either

I just think pulling him up to the top is the cleanest method

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[chilly brook]

Some groups I’ve been able to kill him after the first succ

[normal current]

There was a strat back in SL where you destroy the souls before DPSing him down

[cerulean kite]

As someone who’s pretty new to WOW is there any guides for retail pwar I could follow?

[arctic citrus]

hi prot chads, question does this ring cantrip works on other than raid cosmic dmg?

[normal current]

So he doesn’t heal, not sure if that works anymore

[warm plinth]

Well, the souls are what are supposed to die first and were basically always killed before him past wekely level keys

[arctic citrus]

like tazavesz, coz dont recall other raid to have this spell afinity to be used

[warm plinth]

weekly*

[lusty grotto]

if youre completely new to WoW i highly recommend the wow-made-easy discord

http://discord.gg/wowmadeeasy

[warm plinth]

But this time around, he activates more of the adds each time, which gets rid of the healing adds faster, and things are more chaotic with the display of power circles (though less so now that they cut the radius in half)

[lusty grotto]

thats the invite link for it

[quiet monolith]

anyone had issues with the storyline skip? my main is like, totally finished with it and it still doesnt show up on my alts at all

[warm plinth]

You have to do the brief questline about phase diving

[cerulean kite]

Thank ya I’m like level 16 rn but I feel like I need to start understanding more lol

[warm plinth]

Starts with Another World I think is the name of it

[heavy sparrow]

Fury is looking good. Another prot warrior buddy is starting to main it a bit more pulling 8-17m damage on my mid and bigger pulls

[warm plinth]

Once you do that on one toon, the rest can skip

[quiet monolith]

i think i did it, i got the phasediving achievement or whatever

is there more too it than that

[warm plinth]

Don't think so

[lusty grotto]

idk i literally, just zoned into the portal to tazavesh and then talk to the podium guy and it skips - on the story skip topic, @quiet monolith

[warm plinth]

Once you port to the new zone, you complete the quest with locus walker, then talk to the spidery looking dude to skip

[quiet monolith]

yes, confirmed, but i talk to him and no skip

[crude spoke]

for MT, what are the Haste ratings we are aiming at? seems like i cant find it in the guides but its mentioned here and there

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[warm plinth]

yeah idk Rye. That should be all that's required

you did quests to go into the phase realm and kill like the eyeball dudes and dog things yeah

[lusty grotto]

im guessing you tried relogging

[lusty grotto]

i never had to touch phasediving, except on my main

[warm plinth]

ok yeah, that's all you gotta do on main

And then the skip should be open for other toons

If it's not, I honestly have no idea why

You have Locus Walker create the portal, you go through, you turn the quest in, you talk to the guy right next to him and he should have it

[lusty grotto]

i didnt even turn in the quest

or maybe i did idk

[warm plinth]

well, regardless, it's right there. I always turned it in but it's possible you don't have to.

hell I got a toon I can do it rq on that I haven't yet

[quiet monolith]

yea i have three chars parked at the guy

none of them get the dialog

do i have to complete all of part 3 of campaign?

[warm plinth]

On your main, yes

[lusty grotto]

probably

i did it last week so idk about this week

[quiet monolith]

mybe i just didn't go far enough

i thought you just needed to get reshi wraps

[warm plinth]

idk what is/isn't the end of the campaign. Whatever campaign was available when the patch hit is what has to be completed, which I believe is the first 3 chapters

That + the phase diving thing

[frosty mango]

Fight on top of adds any other answer is suboptimal

Boss drains health from adds, go back to full health

Adds have less health or adds dead, boss heal less, fight over sooner

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

Standing at the top was great when you could Los the aoe but now the boss will happily murder you through the wall

[vast dune]

Is there a good Spell Reflect WeakAura that only triggers when I’m targeted by a spell I can actually reflect?

[warm plinth]

not that I'm aware of. But it should still be pressed even if you can't reflect it unless saving for a specific use case

because it reduces the damage

[warm plinth]

Ok it's fuckin broken 🙂

My alt that I hadn't even logged in this patch yet can't skip

but I've skipped on two other alts no problem

[solid sun]

Do anklebiters just shred people at random

[quiet monolith]

yea it kind of sucks. some guildies have it to

not exactly a fun storyline to have to go through 10 times

[azure crag]

Finally gave sudden death a try
It doesn't proc as much as I was hoping it would

[heavy sparrow]

Here

[slow hatch]

Is there any reason someone wouldn't have Revenge on their bars?

[heavy sparrow]

Arms or fury specs

[mighty valley]

they forgor

[slow hatch]

I'm watching Tactyks and I swear he is missing it. He's on prot.

[mighty valley]

sure it’s not just on a hidden bind or something?

[slow hatch]

maybe

[sharp merlin]

So drag him down the cathedral around the corner, yes?

[mighty valley]

it has no cooldown so you don’t really need it visible I guess

[slow hatch]

he has other no CD stuff though, feels weird but you're prob right

[mighty valley]

there’s gotta be more abilities bound than that one bar

[sharp merlin]

Cause that’s what I do, but dps didn’t kill him quick enough so he kept topping back up lmao

[chrome falcon]

got weppy from mythic plexus

702 goddamn

[lusty grotto]

i have an update

here it goes

there it is

+1

[chrome falcon]

i had to watch 2 prot palas get tome yesterday

kms

[spice wharf]

Hello. Do you recommend some ElvUI profiles? I’m aware it should be created by me but yeah - maybe some like good profiles to mess with on my own etc?

[lusty grotto]

quazii has some good ones

and are free

[spice wharf]

Thank you!

[shrewd grove]

Seconding Quazii. They aren't perfect, but they're damn good

[lusty grotto]

dw, im looking forward to tuesday vault spam of screenshots with myth tome in them

[shrewd grove]

I did a priory earlier and got trinket but I was in fury loot spec like a moron so it was signet...

[lusty grotto]

and when i say "im looking forward", i mean to bang my face on the nearest wall

[finite fossil]

is it worth going thane 2 set/ 2 set or would you rather keep old 4 set + colossus until I get 4set? ^^

[lusty grotto]

depends on your gear

if you can keep SB up comfy with the drop due to losing SC cdr, you can probably go for it

sim it if youre not sure

[finite fossil]

Cheers thank you 🙂

[lusty grotto]

👍

[frosty mango]

I just tank him right there

And move him when the group he’s on is dead

[topaz bough]

What are the recommended crafting slots?

[lusty grotto]

shield

if you dont have a guaranteed myth track shield

also for any lurkers wondering: even after you craft a shield, a myth track shield still beats it and should replace it

but you will have the discount for that slot, so its only one uppy

[topaz bough]

Ty

[timber nest]

what weapon enchant we using for m+?

[bleak breach]

Same one in all situations

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims highest

it depends on your stats cause its gonna be one of the stat ones

so simming is key

[fallow beacon]

is this an everybody thing or just a me thing

haven't been able to sim since new season start

[lusty grotto]

clear cache and remove the tome apl

or whatever is in custom apl

tome is in the apl by default now so no need for it

[fallow beacon]

ah that was it, ty

[oblique quarry]

before i go through with what the sim is telling me, can you guys confirm I did not do anything dumb? it gave similar results for 5 patchwork and 1

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xykd6UddRaMup67hEknND1

[round pendant]

boys is soleah's secret technique good

[warm plinth]

It's mid. Basically just a stat stick with an annoying extra step

[round pendant]

nice

I've done like 8 dungeons today and that's all that' dropped

[hard cipher]

Isnt the heal anyway max 30%

[wind whale]

Hi all, I'm currently fury looking to start tanking M+. can i just respec prot and use all my current haste/mastery gear and be OK? Or would I first want to gather up more gear with crit?

[frosty mango]

You can use any gear while you gather ideal loot

If you have low haste you would just run heavy repercussions over into the fray

Low being like sub 20k ish

[wind whale]

Thanks! I think it's crit that I lack mostly

[waxen quartz]

can you get tier from the timewalking weekly?

[solid sun]

no

[mortal cypress]

you can get a nice cloak though....which is what I got

[compact forum]

I have such a dumb question and I'm not sure where to even ask this, but i have died twice on Demnsius to oblivion during p2. The only thing that the tooltip says is "Dimensius instantly devours and player who enters his body for any reason, killing them horribly". WTF am i doing wrong here?

[mellow bridge]

Are you hiding under a planet or w/e it is during his suck-in cast?

[craggy harness]

Has anyone noticed shield durability being worse this season than in the past?

[warm plinth]

nope

[craggy harness]

maybe my regular durability tracker isn't working-- but twice today shield totally broke but didn't get a < 50% warning from a weakaura

two times would be probably the total in the last two years prior to this season that I remember it breaking

[quiet sentinel]

anyone know why tanks are going right in priory to Damian and not left to aemya?

[fluid shard]

Because of DN

[quiet sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/gotem-gif-18695498

[fluid shard]

I think Damian was nerfed?

[quiet sentinel]

still seems shit to deal with a constant fireball to be kicked

[fluid shard]

Yeah i usually deal with dailcry and party rotates the fireballs

[quiet sentinel]

i dont trust pugs

[fluid shard]

Hehehe i get it

[quiet sentinel]

i tried the route the other night and had all 3 dps pugs kick the same fireball

[cunning inlet]

Yes. Definitely.

[shrewd grove]

Shield durability is beyond effed right now. My shield is breaking while my gear is still 60%+

[silk sandal]

How long should I expect to be wearing jastors for? I am running sims that seem to indicate that the 684 jastor diamond is better than the 704 haste crit ring and the 704 crit haste ring

How do sims decide which secondary you are getting from jastor diamond?

[inner trout]

That’s what i thought! I am main pala tank and never really had a situation i broke my shield during keys or raid. I was raiding tonight with my warrior tank, never died, did 2 keys, and during 3rd key, my shield broke. No warning no nothing from UI.

[craggy harness]

I guess I'll just chalk it up to the slightly bigger pulls than I'm personally used to meaning more melee attacks to break shield.

[true yoke]

did pwarrior get a nerf?

[trail lichen]

Do we include slam in our rotation for single target if we're using mountain thane, or do we just ignore it for revenge to maximize the procs for shield slams from thunderstrikes?

[old flame]

I hate farming this dumb book

[pallid quiver]

I mean, you don't even need thunderstrikes for SS resets using revenge

revenge just has a chance to reset SS CD with the strategist talent that's nigh-impossible to avoid picking up

[trail lichen]

for single-target I supposed, would I use revenge or slam for a rage dump is what I'm asking

[pallid quiver]

slam also has like literally 0 modifiers for Prot, so

There's literally no reason to ever press or even have Slam or Whirlwind bound

technically, you can press whirlwind in Torghast if you get that one power that pulls things in if you use whirlwind

but that's seven millenia ago content

[trail lichen]

okay, I'll remove slam then, thank you for answering

[fleet flicker]

ye remove slam

[lusty grotto]

no

[frosty mango]

I tried tanking a key as arms sword and board with slam a ww

Well an m0

We made it 1 pull and I realized two things very quickly.

1. pretty sure it does negative threat
2. I could almost definitely outdps people as arms with a sword and shield

[strong forum]

Threat modifier is tied to being specced into tank

For all tanks except druid

For druid it's tied to bear form

[proud schooner]

Hmm, any advice on what to craft if you play fury raid m+ as prot?

Dusk wrists?

[strong forum]

Yah

Works

[lusty grotto]

if you play fury you best be crafting a 2h

or arms

thats what im doing

it gives you free uppies on 1h and shield

if you equip as arms

next reset at least since you need 2 sparks

[proud schooner]

i see

[lusty grotto]

@frosty mango best ive gotten so far is a so'leah

0 weapons, 0 shields

no other relevant trinket

[frosty mango]

Yeah but that’s not fun or interesting

Bring back righteous fury

[sharp gale]

Im still rolling with 684 shit, I can’t loot

Even a champ one would be good at this point for me

[zenith aurora]

Craft 2H for early weeks, swap if/when you get myth wep later

[lusty grotto]

im rocking the shit ass delve shield rn

[sharp gale]

I bought the vision sword

691 is not rly the massive up i want

Now that I have 4p I really want to play prot

[solid sun]

I decided to craft a shield

Are you raiding on your warrior, happy?

Or are you dpsing on something else

[sharp gale]

Im dps war in my new guild, i will get myth 1 hander and shield very late this season

But somehow, I can’t loot hero track ones

[frosty mango]

I did all of normal today

There are no mechanics

For tanks

What is this craziness

[humble mason]

I am planning on switching out my crafted belt for the delve belt soon, getting crafted boots instead but I was wondering which embellishment I should go for. I am thinking either duskthread lining, or getting sanctified steps?

[vagrant pilot]

Is there a WA I can use to let me know if Sudden Death Proc'd?

[lusty grotto]

ok update

+1

i hate this garbage trinket so much

[undone beacon]

I cant read cuz i dont have a tome yet what trinket is that

[lusty grotto]

signet of the toilet

[undone beacon]

skibidi

[lusty grotto]

fr fr

signet of the prairie dogging it for 2 mins

[minor lark]

There's one on Wowhead under Arms, for spending it, might be useful

[serene galleon]

In terms of dps I can sim for sure,
But In terms of survivability, am I better to maintain old 4 set, or use 2 set 2 set? Just thinking mitigation and extra stam may make 2 and 2 worth ?
Progging heroic dimensius

[edgy flint]

I lucked out and got a tome week 1 in my vault. And a ceaseless ire. Easy money. Said fuck the T2 set and just put on ilvl gear.

[lusty grotto]

in terms of surv the only thing you need to make sure of is having enough haste to offset the loss of 4pc

if you have enough haste rating: 20k+ at a minimum with ITF and ideally 25k you should be fine with 2pc 2pc

if you dont have enough haste, you can always play heavy repercussions with 2pc 2pc

so its entirely up to you

with hero track off-tier pieces and accessories, 2pc 2pc does sim higher

[heavy sparrow]

Overall question about the posted wow head mythic+ push build. Is best served cold not specced into because of anger management potential?

[lusty grotto]

without them it doesnt

[lusty grotto]

must be nice, i guess you didnt catch my journey last season

[lusty grotto]

bsc is very minor and there are better points allocated elsewhere

[edgy flint]

Last season I was burnt out on keys, hit 3k io and took a break. Dungeons were boring, just recycled shit like always. When you’ve played since vanilla, shit gets hard to get excited about

[lusty grotto]

okay?

[sonic crown]

where is the excel file with the bis gear?

[lusty grotto]

there is none

there is no such thing as bis gear

its just what sims highest

[sonic crown]

so the belt we get, durable infomatio nsecuring contaier

is tthat good?

[lusty grotto]

and that has been the case for well over 6 or 7 expansions

the delve belt? yeah its good

until raidbots tells you otherwise

which is likely 6/6 hero track belts or better

[serene galleon]

Thanks good info. I have the normal tank trinket from the council boss also which helps a bit.

[lusty grotto]

big trinket

[heavy sparrow]

Ahh I see that makes sense. I was thinking like I guess that makes sense. If we were stack to stack crit we're parrying to the point of just hearing rain drops on a tin roof. Which also means a lot of missed out rage for shield wall and avatar of we're using more free revenges

[lusty grotto]

nah

youre overthinking it

its just a very minor dps gain

you can always swap Disurpting for it

if you want

[inner arch]

Can we have too much haste?

sitting at like 58% without alchemical lol

Seems overkill

[lusty grotto]

at around 25k+ you want to go for other stats, but the sims will suggest it before that mark

around 25k is the sweet spot to make sb uptime comfy

[inner arch]

Sick. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

because its personal and latency based, it can be lower or higher than that

but not by a whole lot

[real fossil]

is there a way on warcraft logs to filter the proportion of time a character is rage capped?

[lusty grotto]

you can use your mouse on the rage graphic

drag between sections

or rather at the start and end of the rage plateau

[real fossil]

right but if i want to look over the entire fight, is there a way to look at the total time they are >129 rage

[lusty grotto]

likely with a custom query

but i dont have any off hand

[midnight burrow]

so how many ivls is it generally ok to go 2p-2p as opposed to old 4p

[vale escarp]

Hey guys, is the abandon m+ vote system not ingame yet? Haven't found anything about how to start a vote

[hoary glen]

Damn hard time.. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j1UZNPuSGeZMkpKDdb9Cw9

Neck or Chest.. Neck has bis stats but Chest is a T-Set

[vale escarp]

T-Set got your bis stats too

Since you wont get a better chest with Set bonus

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

there's no ilvl number

sim it

[lusty grotto]

its not in

[vagrant pilot]

thanks!

[minor lark]

o7

[solid sun]

Hey @lusty grotto you and your little bro are in the liquid stream

[zenith aurora]

How strong is the 2pc for MT this season, is it worth using 2 catalyst charges on 1 hero piece and 1 champ?

[rough egret]

If you have s2 tier rather wait for 4p 🙂

And use catalyst to fill the gaps

[lusty grotto]

hey dat us

[rough egret]

I would not convert a champ track gear

[lusty grotto]

not strong

2pc is not strong for thane in keys - only in ST

4pc is

2pc is stronger for colossus in keys/aoe though

and yeah i echo what zet said, i would not convert a champ track slot

[jagged gust]

does jakey have a rogue?

[ionic fern]

Not sure.

[zenith aurora]

Thanks Zet and Priory

My sim seems to recommend breaking old 4pc for ilvl anyway i had two 658 pieces

is prot a dungeon slice or patchwerk sim?

[neon elk]

Dslice doesnt work for prot

[hardy urchin]

Hey Guys, Rerolled from BDK to ProtWar this Season. War was always my loved M+ Tank and so after the "changes" to BDK I switched this season to test on my War. Normal logs was ok (yeah, normal lul) and the first 2 heroic was ok, was not really prepared. But Naazindhri and Araz I played like a monkey. I want to find my mistakes before we start mythic and I find then out that I am just trash. Last season we hit first time CE, before 7/8 mostly. I analyzied a bit, I see 2 mayor problems - pressing cooldowns faster and more often, having uptime - i tried maybe to play to much "for the raid" - and just spam more buttons (rage overcap etc) these are enough problems to work on, but did you see anything aditional stupid I did?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/74783557

[ivory glen]

Does colossus this season is strong behind?

[jagged gust]

Nothing too big that you haven't already noticed. Opening with SC before Spear/Avatar is a bit of a loss. If you're doing it to get SB immediately Avatar+Charge will generate enough rage to get SB up before you get into melee.

[jagged pier]

you dont manage shield block correctly u have lots of unblocked hits, you waste a tone of rage, and your casts are a little low

[shut dust]

Do you have any tips to manage shield block ?
A have a wa to track the buff
With shield charge, shield block with 2 charge
I tend to have some timing without the buff

[jagged pier]

its just something u got to learn,

but u should with correct play have very high coverage of it

[hardy urchin]

thanks for the tips so far, I will try to improve on that.

but it was kinda scary, first 2 bosses where okayish and then two absolute monkey kills.

[rotund wolf]

yo, in droptimizer atm the tazavesh dungeon loot is condensed into one. Does anyone know if this is actually the case, as in both dungeons loot drops from any of them or do I look for which boss in M0 drops which item to see where I need to go farm?

[ionic fern]

Loot still drops from specific bosses.

It's easy to remember tho

Just memorize the 3 gambit bosses

All other bosses are in Streets.

[rotund wolf]

yeah ok ty man. Time for streets prison i guess

[warm plinth]

The necklaces seem to drop from both dungeons. Not sure about the rest

[vale crest]

When do we change from using the delve belt?

[warm plinth]

When it's outsimmed

[rotund wolf]

i simmed a random belt and disc still beat it at 710 so it's somewhere during myth track probably but depends on your char and the belt, sim it

[lofty turret]

really wish theyd nerf that belt so i can wear 1 of the 7 I've gotten this week

[proud schooner]

any dungeons you guys are using absorb trinket for?

[crystal nest]

Anyone have the custom apl for Tome? the one that assumes you're always in sword?

[strong forum]

That ones baseline now

[crystal nest]

Oh sweet, thanks!

[mystic vale]

i tried having bit of a look around, but where can i find what percentages of secondaries i should be aiming for?

[ionic fern]

There are no set percentages for secondaries.

Just follow the priority and you will be fine.

For damage output you can sim yourself.

[inner plank]

What's the correct way to play Tome of devotion ? Always cast on CD ?

[still crown]

Use when it goes defensive stance to keep it in offensive.

Track it with weakaura

Simplz

[wispy moth]

Try to keep it in offensive state. Keep defensive if needed

[fossil horizon]

Does shield block cd round to decimals or is it only whole number?

[strong forum]

it doesnt round at all

fractions just arent displayed

[inner plank]

Got it, thanks ~

[strong forum]

game display doesnt go beyond first decimal

[fossil horizon]

so shield block cd benefits from each single point of haste, correct?

[strong forum]

yes

[fossil horizon]

ty

[zenith aurora]

Those playing fury in raid y’all crafting a 2h and rocking hero track in keys for now?

[strong forum]

if youre multispeccing regularily i would personally either craft a ring + bracers or just both embellish slots

[wispy moth]

How many % uptime on SB we're aiming with the new 4P? Cuz without SC cdr we can't cast many as in s2 right?
On some dung I've got 85% uptime and it seems very low when I usually got 95% during s2

[zenith aurora]

Belt bracers?

[strong forum]

90%

[strong forum]

for embellish slots yes

[wispy moth]

OK like before. I'll train more, don't have the habits in MT

[normal current]

Did they used to? I’m sure I remember seeing decimals on skills (might be another class)

[ocean iron]

whats everycone crafting this week

or are we saving for after vault

[wispy moth]

Personally I'm saving for the vault and adapt depends on it

[prime sphinx]

crafted using free one from dimensus

[wispy moth]

If got myth shield in vault, I craft myth bracers. No shield in vault? Crafting myth shield

And use free heroic craft for bracers

[lime mantle]

Anyone has a good guide for hooktail?
I can't get the handle of that bos for shit, can't see crap when I have to aim the dumb breath.

[wispy moth]

The dragon from gambit?

Did it yesterday, I just turned and put it in my back during breath's casting time to aim the adds because he can't attack you during the cast so you're safe from back hit

[hot girder]

how do poeple keep agro whit
i keep loosing agro on 1 or 2 mobs

[lime mantle]

During the entire pre-cast and actual cast?
Damn.

[wispy moth]

The precast because when the breath is lock, you need to move out

[lime mantle]

I assumed she(?) hit you during the precast for some reason.

[wispy moth]

Need the group to be stack on you, otherwise mobs shall jump out and being out of your cleave range and so threat loss

[wispy moth]

Nah she's lock and channel her breath. First cast you can move it, when fixed, move out.

Try to take distance with the boss and you'll see nothing happens

[vocal mist]

so hi long story short is it worth making the wep week one ?

[sharp merlin]

You can't - you need your dps to come to you, and stack on you, it's actually an infuriating first part of the dungeon

you lose so much dmg and uptime on mobs cause people just do not stack in that dungeon and I hate the fucking people who voted for it back

[frigid valley]

the ultimate overaggro on pull group

[strong forum]

if youre below 10sec i believe it displays a decimal in the tooltip

i might however be coping

but im certain somewhere decimals are being displayed

[lime mantle]

I love when that one caster does NOT stack and all the snipers decide to leave :))))))))

[wispy moth]

Yup that's why I made a macro /p PACK ON ME xD

[normal current]

Yeah I definitely recall seeing it, skill CD is usually highlighted green as it’s affected by haste

[vocal mist]

are most ppl making belts and wrists for there crafting and use of sparks ?

or is wepon good to invest in

[lunar flare]

I crafted a shield 🙂

Now my vault will be nothing but shields on Wednesday, as god intended

[sharp mountain]

could someone please answer this with numbers and not just feelcraft

[prime sphinx]

i'd be more likely to craft a weapon there is no content this week i felt i needed a better shield granted i only did +13s max

[proud cosmos]

Hey guys, does a critical hit generates more rage?

[proud cosmos]

yeah, it did that to me last season. that is why i refrained it this time 😄

[burnt crane]

is there too much haste ?

😄

[strong forum]

north of 25k you want to hard pivot off

not cuz its too much

but just not efficient

[tame jasper]

Hahah yes. Had this last season, but crafted again and hope I‘ll have other useful stuff like first set item or catalystable item in the mythic slot vault.

[civic moon]

bro what

i keep getting eco dome and floodgate

like my last 5 keys were dome into floodgate into dome and so on

[neon elk]

I have it same with halls floodgate

[blazing shuttle]

I always get Floodgate.

FOR SOME REASONS

[prime sphinx]

played with aug for first time

are they yoinking our dps?

never done such low dam

[hollow sphinx]

Are u using the causeese WA AND bigwigs for raid? or just one

[young mango]

What key Level ? Tbh tc First pack leap, revenge patrol Charge fountainpack thc again charge mini Boss get in Place for knockback you shoulndt have any Aggro issue here unless Ppl Go ham on First pack

[young mango]

Had a run with aug was pretty nice

[hot girder]

Atm at 12+ but had trouble from 10 up

[young mango]

Hm Well you shoulndt have Aggro issues at all do you have Set boni? I dont have and im Fine with Aggro havent run prio 12 yet but did it on 11 sone days ago and only issue was the snipers which is regulary taunt all others movs Are stacked on me

[hot girder]

not when i tryed it got it now

[young mango]

K Well only reason can be ppl nuke before pull Stands

Let them die and learn

[fading ginkgo]

I need advice for AraKara 1st pull - do you mount to the end of the stairs, or do you tag mobs along the way?

[clever barn]

i mount to end of stairs, then gather on the way from bottom stairs to the first miniboss

[rough egret]

tell your party to hold and let you go down first

[prime sphinx]

are ppl farming the trinket

or think it'll catch a nerf

for tanks

[lofty quail]

I did my first +2 as prot today

[floral hinge]

How do you proc it? Thought it was only ranged?

[prime sphinx]

think someone said it procs off rend

[floral hinge]

oh that's nasty

[wispy moth]

Depends on what content you're doing. If you planned mythic raid, maybe just shield or pray to loot them in raid is a good option and then onyly craft embellishment slot
If, like me, your only myth track item come from vault, you can craft weapon

[noble cove]

kira said it ggood

[rough egret]

amen

[mellow bridge]

No, they literally make you do more

[viscid lantern]

Does Shield slam scale with the STR of your shield? Or people prefer to loot - craft shield before the weapon just because shield provides the Armor?

[sweet summit]

scales with attack power
prefered for the block stat it provides

[viscid lantern]

allright

[dusty hazel]

Hey!

Extremely new to prott warr.

Is Slam and Whirlwind just buttons you never press? Even tho Slam has more dmg in description than Revenge.

[sweet summit]

never used

[wispy moth]

Don't use them

Don't even place them in your bar

Slam probably got a better scaling on paper but any talents scales it up as some does for revenge

In MT you almost don't use revenge

[forest swallow]

does anyone know if you can still get burning plate of the worldbreaker in legion?

[warm plinth]

Is that the hidden appearance? If so, yes

But you can only try for it once per day.

[outer bronze]

hey - anything i can drop here to get more dps in weeklies? i.e. a way to pick up sudden death or sth

just playing as offspec, fury main so idk much about prot

[jagged pier]

u drop instegate for sudden death

[outer bronze]

legend

thanks

[forest swallow]

how do you try for it? just run in the cave and check with command if it's there?

[past locust]

Yeah

[hazy sedge]

As a new prot warr, is this just when you have 4pc? I don’t have set yet and find myself using revenge probably too much

[high latch]

Yes. 4p gives you a lot more Thunder Blasts which fills up a lot of GCDs you'd normally spend on Revenge. So you end up using Revenge very little and almost only dumping with IP.

[warm plinth]

Don't necessarily need the script. There's an emote in chat when it's there. Just go into the cave and go to the edge of the cliff. If no emote, try again the next day after reset

[hazy sedge]

Got it, thanks!

[azure crag]

I am eternally grateful for the satchel of cooperation.
It's the only reason I can afford my ungodly repair bills.

[blazing shuttle]

What does it give?

[lusty grotto]

a hug

and thanks

i.e. nothing noteworthy

they are being sarcastic

[blazing shuttle]

Ah.

[tulip oar]

Man, I love ppl that backseat tank in keys.

[solid sun]

I don’t

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter to me

i just turn pings off

ignore everything else

[frosty mango]

Augment runes which probably sell for a good bit atm

[lusty grotto]

i only get recipes

that sell for 5 gold

[frosty mango]

You need to farm more karma

You don’t get the good rewards until you’re a level 3 platinum subscriber

[lusty grotto]

makes sense

[tulip oar]

I dislike the pings and the pulling for me.

Thankfully it their shenanigans only resulted in one death. That was only due to us not having enough kicks.

[azure crag]

about 950 gold, and anywhere from 1-4 augment runes to sell for a chunky amount more.
Keeps me in a slight gold positive between repairs, flasks, mana oils, etc

[lusty grotto]

when it drops

[wispy moth]

Depend on if you play colossus or mountain thane

[lilac widget]

anyone using a good raid WA yet?

[plush tendon]

for what?

really just need a co-tank debuff tracker

[frosty mango]

What do you mean by raid wa

[plush tendon]

I assume he's talking about a raid weak aura package

like Northern Sky and Liquid raid weakauras

but thats a RL problem; tanks dont give a shit

big wigs is usually enough and something that tracks debuffs on co-tank so you know when to taunt

[rancid tiger]

Northrtn sky is fine in jc

Hc

😆

[tawny meteor]

sorry if this has been ask i know in your posted say dont change from Colossus to MT till you have the need 4 set but if you just have Vet tier from last season am right in think heroic loot from dungeons cos of its ilvl will be better till you get this season tier?

[plush tendon]

no

stick to tier

or sim just to confirm; what I level is Vet loot anyways?

[tawny meteor]

642 but all a sim will look at is your dmg not survivability

[plush tendon]

didnt realize it was so low; you prob swap then

we talking like 40 I levels yea?

[tawny meteor]

yep did think so as well

[strange lintel]

God. Pushing your own key when you're about to get to ten and you get 3 of the worst dps ever and a braindead healer that suddenly forgot how the arakara bosses work.

[lusty grotto]

you will replace it, s2 vet is way too low -- sim

[blazing shuttle]

Which one?

[strange lintel]

All of them

[blazing shuttle]

Let me gues.

DPS that refuse to switch on the first boss of Ara.

[dusky canopy]

Sad truth is you have about the first two days to get all 10s timed so you can stop playing with the extra weight

[plush tendon]

[dusky canopy]

And then the next two days are going for 12s to avoid the barely making it to 10 players

[strange lintel]

I just went back to work so I missed the two first days and now I'm stuck breathing all the farts

[dusky canopy]

I know that sounds like such an ass mentality but it’s so true

[strange lintel]

Its 100% true

[plush tendon]

M+ is a very segergated community

and gotta be with/ahead of the curve or else you are left behind

[dusky canopy]

You have to keep up with the top 1-5% (roughly made up number) or you get left behind very quickly

And are stuck queuing with extra weights

[lusty grotto]

segregate dn

[strange lintel]

Not even curating s2 3000s save you anymore. I had this 3300 Hunter literally dying every single time on the last boss in arakara. Fucking ranged having trouble on the last boss

[plush tendon]

its a little less then 10% of the community

[dusky canopy]

You can thank resil for that

[strange lintel]

All they got a do is shoot a jar and sit behind it

[plush tendon]

S2 3k means nothing

[dusky canopy]

Resil made it so people could throw shit at the wall until it sticks

[strange lintel]

Like how fucking hard is that

[lusty grotto]

it aint that bad

[blazing shuttle]

S2 3k was a breeze ngl.

[lusty grotto]

did you guys not play the start of other seasons or something?

[strange lintel]

It used to mean you at least had a pulse lol

[lusty grotto]

this is one of the best starts in terms of community

ive had 0 problems outside of 1st day streets

[plush tendon]

I play with guildies

[lusty grotto]

and i pug A LOT

[plush tendon]

the dungeons themselves are totally fine

I feel bad for the puggers though...

[wary gyro]

at least im not getting people leaving after one death in every key

[plush tendon]

its a cruel world in LFG

[dusky canopy]

Plan on hitting 3-3.1k this coming reset, I spent this past Saturday Sunday farming items instead of continuing to push

[lusty grotto]

im not talking about the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

then why are you talking about the pug community?

[strange lintel]

It's literally what we are talking about. I missed the first 3 days of the season and I can't find constant pugs able to +2 an 8

[high latch]

I've only pugged, and it's been great. Only one bad group.

[dusky canopy]

Got this upcoming wed-Sunday off work again to continue the io grind

[lusty grotto]

brother i did non stop keys yesterday, i didnt see any shitters at all

[lusty grotto]

this

[plush tendon]

because why not? I do the majority of my keys with friends, but I still see whats going on in LFG

[strange lintel]

What's your rating my guy

[lusty grotto]

you dont pug

[blazing shuttle]

The PUGS are either great, or the dungeons are easy, but.

[plush tendon]

gate keeping pugging

wild

[lusty grotto]

warrior is sitting at 2.4k

[blazing shuttle]

We know Priory and Flood.
DB is easy.

[lusty grotto]

DH at 1.9k

[strange lintel]

Exactly

[lusty grotto]

nah man

[strong forum]

Mmh yes score :grayons:

[lusty grotto]

you guys are on a trip

past seasons have been way worse

[blazing shuttle]

Especially S1.

[dusky canopy]

Score early matters for invites

[lusty grotto]

people only needed to get used to streets and everything clicks

[blazing shuttle]

Yep.

[strange lintel]

I couldn't tell cuz I didn't miss the early days last seasonxD

[blazing shuttle]

Streets is not THAT complicated once you get the hang of it.

It's just...

Tons of time wasting that you can get around.

A.K.A. make sure the RP are triggered beforehand.

See: someone going for the RP while the mini-boss is being hit.

[solid sun]

I don’t understand the door rp trigger for menagerie

[plush tendon]

there are some tips and tricks with dealing with RP

[blazing shuttle]

Yep.

[high latch]

Streets is fun if you have someone triggering RPs properly during other pulls

[lusty grotto]

we're talking about pugging

[blazing shuttle]

What I am saying.

[lusty grotto]

not how streets goes

[plush tendon]

but you gotta know em; like starting the RP early for bosses

[solid sun]

I walked into the door and it didn’t trigger the rp

[plush tendon]

while group does something else

[blazing shuttle]

Yeah and as I have said: The puggers are getting to know it;

And most dungeons, we already know them.

[lusty grotto]

right

[blazing shuttle]

Flood & Priory? We know how that shit works.

So PUGs are less..

[dusky canopy]

I did 13 streets in time this past week, the timer is very tight because of all the RP the 2 minute increase was justified imo

[blazing shuttle]

Painful.

[dusky canopy]

Honestly they could add another minute lol

[plush tendon]

tbh, i still dont think people know how those dungeons work

[blazing shuttle]

ESPECIALLY on the second boss. Now they finally know how to do it, compared to S2 first weeks.

[strange lintel]

Or you know remove rp

[plush tendon]

[wary gyro]

i've seen how people do the double boss in flood people definitely do not know how that shit works

[blazing shuttle]

... You know what, fair enough. I retire what I've said.

[lusty grotto]

you know

[blazing shuttle]

I was reminded of people that still can(t do the charge correctly.

[strange lintel]

Insta dispels on double boss

Hue

[lusty grotto]

you know you can look at s2 scores right?

[blazing shuttle]

I begin to scream.

[strange lintel]

The screaming resumes

[plush tendon]

S2 scores were pretty inflated by the end

[blazing shuttle]

Very much so.

[plush tendon]

so much gear and power by the end

[blazing shuttle]

I've quit basically after I hit 3k early season.

[lusty grotto]

if you invite someone that hasnt done the dungeon ever, that's just inviting that kind of stuff

[plush tendon]

where someone who was 3.3k might still not know what the heck is going on

[blazing shuttle]

S1.

Stonevault.

That's all I am going to say.

[lusty grotto]

augusto youre just talking out of your ass at this point

[plush tendon]

naw

[lusty grotto]

yeah you are

you dont even pug

[plush tendon]

bro, I pug sometimes

[lusty grotto]

sometimes

[plush tendon]

I just dont sit in LFG by myself all the time

but I still have fucking eyes

[strange lintel]

Pugging is fine. We are just exagerating :rolls eyes:

[plush tendon]

like, get off the pug high horse and make some friends ffs

[solid sun]

I’ve had one aggressive pinger and otherwise it’s been fine

[lusty grotto]

yeah in his case he's wayyy off the mark

[wary gyro]

honestly pugging has been mostly fine for me this season especially compared to the first 2

[lusty grotto]

that was my point

ty ieatpuppies

[blazing shuttle]

S1 pugging.....

[wary gyro]

s1 was so bad

[blazing shuttle]

Stonevault PTSD.

[plush tendon]

Stonevault was a rough dungeon

but was fun

[blazing shuttle]

City of Threads.

[wary gyro]

tank jumps in giga pulls the first room dies once and leaves

[blazing shuttle]

First boss.

Healer sees debuff.

Healer eithger instant dispells.
Or does not dispell.

No in between.

[wary gyro]

second boss dps dont split damage properly

[blazing shuttle]

CoT was still worse.

That duo boss...

God kill me.

[wary gyro]

yeah cot was terrible at least it also didnt have any decent drops so i could mostly ignore it

[blazing shuttle]

Grim Batol... :)

[plush tendon]

City of Threads worst crime... was that it was unfun

[blazing shuttle]

I think you have a big point here.

It was very much unfun, and would rather never do it ever again.

[plush tendon]

I like hard dungeons... but if it was fun hard

thats cool with me

[wary gyro]

grim batol was fine as long as you brought a decurse that actually used it

[blazing shuttle]

Fun hard is what makes a dungeon fun.

A guy on youtube made a comparison like.

[plush tendon]

I didnt like that GB needed a curse dispell

[blazing shuttle]

When a game "resists" you, pushes you back.

It made the game fun.

[plush tendon]

was pretty restrictive

but parts of GB were fun

[wary gyro]

yeah it kinda forced you into a resto shaman healer because resto druid sucked and no one else with a decurse could be trusted to actually use it

[plush tendon]

kind of why I liked Stonevault (minus the trash at the end)

that stuff was terribad

[blazing shuttle]

Stonevault had GREAT moments.

The first pull was such a rush.

[plush tendon]

the double boss was fun

[blazing shuttle]

The last boss was a bit though...

Underwhelming?

[wary gyro]

yeah it really was

[plush tendon]

the 2nd boss with the orbs to kill was a problem though; if damage was too low it hurt

and if damage was too high you could fuck up

trying to do a nice weekly key there, and passive cleave is just killing all the orbs

[blazing shuttle]

God yeah.

... Okay, actual question.

I need people's opinion.