protection

[upper ice]

Yeah that's the 'optimal' choice, really do whatever you want

[round pendant]

by the time it matters it doesn't matter

[jagged gust]

^

I'm picking every speed tertiary I can this season, because oh no, I lost out on .1% dps by not being optimal 🙄

[upper ice]

I'm a leech boy :P, seethe healers

[mighty valley]

my man playing 2h tank because it had speed on it

[meager elbow]

ok thanks for the advice i'm gonna wait i guess

[jagged gust]

If I can tank normal amirdrassil as fury, 2h m+ doesn't seem too far fetched

[rough egret]

Imagine having 2p 😄 meanwhile 4items rdy in my bags to be catalyzed 🙁

Im still holding my both charges

[upper ice]

You have 2 charges?

we have 2 catalyst charges?

[solid sun]

KSM gets you a charge and we received a charge

[rough egret]

Well yeah, one naturally and one for 2k io

[upper ice]

I had no idea ksm gave a charge I thought they took out the free piece

[solid sun]

Instead of getting an item that can be turned in for any tier piece

You now get a catalyst charge

[upper ice]

well damn, I know what I'm doing tonight

[frigid valley]

season start should convert old tier bonus to new but keep the ilvl at s2 one

[rough egret]

Argee, but still..making the puzzle is always more fun, atlest for me.. rather than getting it completed 😄 even if its pita

Dopamine lvls at high stakes

[tight mural]

Does anyone know of an addon or a way to get more familiar with routes? I don't know why but I have such a hard time translating the routes on MDT in game into the real 3D space and figuring out which mobs are which. That compounds when I'm in the key trying to figure it out under the pressure of the timer

Does anyone just like walk through a dungeon in stealth on an alt or something lol

[fluid widget]

I walk a dungeon after completing it to see what I missed

[frigid valley]

youtube vid in 2x speed

[fluid widget]

Ecodome count has been always 2-4% off

Killin me

[vagrant carbon]

Just run the dung on normal or heroic for practice

[jagged gust]

actually yes, I have the exact same problem, I cannot for the life of me transpose 2d maps to 3d environments

I go through in m0 and solo the dungeon if possible, opening the map to figure out what pack is which marker in MDT

Or lower difficulties if needed

[glad crater]

So I have the effect of second wind without the talent active?

And it works, even after combat

[rancid sedge]

with the execute build are u guys using Fueled by violence with sudden death?

[frigid valley]

seems to be a bug, have as well

[tender grail]

Hey guys,
I've just completed my first Streets +10. We wiped once on the last trade pack befor 3th boss (Zo'gron).
I knew from lower keys there is a Overseer in this group and pre-used Mud trinket + shield wall, even with these 2 active i died after 3 seconds!
Anyone else having trouble with this pack? i had no time to use shield block + ignore pain.

[warm plinth]

er...that doesn't sound right. Do you have a log??

[tender grail]

Sadly i don't 🙁

[warm plinth]

Well, I have not done it on 10 yet, but I did tank a 9 which obviously isn't that much difference and I don't even remember taking damage on that pull

[torn gulch]

the difference is fortified

but still

[warm plinth]

Yeah but that's not a difference between I'm taking 0 damage aned I'm insta dying

[torn gulch]

that's why i added but still

[tender grail]

I've done it many times 6-9 keylvl

[urban portal]

1 key level+fortified is about 30%

[tender grail]

was just wondering if anyone else had this happen, i guess you need to build max rage from 1st trade

rage*

[rough egret]

Where were you standing when they spawn?

[tender grail]

I didnt not get hit from the back thats for sure 😄

[oblique gust]

Thunder blast with thane set do a lot of damage O_o, it's surprising haha
it's a +12 taza street

[lusty grotto]

[shy python]

Is new 2p & old 2p better than old 4p?

[warm plinth]

no

[shy python]

ok

[warm plinth]

only 1 run so far? nim sleeping

[lusty grotto]

bf6

and honestly just doing any key at this point

[slow hatch]

so mountain thane once we get 4p?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solar forum]

Do we get another catalyst charge on Tuesday?

[shy python]

no

[solar forum]

Rip

[mighty valley]

I noticed taking weird amounts of damage from something in the trade zone in a streets 5 while running up my key, it didn’t happen again so there must be some odd ability or mechanic I don’t know

[lusty grotto]

its worse because it has 33% tank penalty

but sims should sim it correctly

idk

sim it

[obtuse egret]

Do we want to swap to 2 2 set? Or wait till we have full 4?

[oblique quarry]

Wait till full 4 is what I’ve seen, 2+2 simmed as a 132k dps increase tho so idk. I’m personally waiting

[obtuse egret]

noted, yeah I was wondering as the old 4 Set is still nice to help me live

[ebon geyser]

Question, If I go in a raid as dps and is group loot will me being in dps spec affect my prot rolls like I lfr? Or no

[lusty grotto]

it depends how geared you are

if you can offset the 4pc loss with enough haste, you can do 2pc 2pc

if you have been unlucky on drops etc, just wait a little bit, its a 4% loss at max

at the cost of SB uptime etc

[obtuse egret]

what would you say is the required amount of haste?

[keen star]

when I proc 4set, should I fish for violent outburst to combine it with the giga thunder blast?

like let's say if I'm at 50% or less violent outburst

[lusty grotto]

if youre full hero loot at this point 2pc / 2pc is fine

if youre not

do the swap at 4pc

[keen star]

because those 10 million thunder blasts feel so good

[round pendant]

do you get count for those 3 trash mobs when the rp ends?

I assume so right

[warm plinth]

what is that

[ivory elbow]

at what ilvl do i switch out my old set piece

[warm plinth]

Halls? No, I do not believe you get count for those. At least, it didn't seem like we got count, and that's even with them magically respawning after we pulled the boss

[ivory elbow]

i can get full 704 items to replace my set pieces

[ivory elbow]

i jsut did and no it doesnt count it just dies when boss spawns

[ebon geyser]

Because this has me confused in lfr I can't roll for prot stuff and I wonder if normal raid is the same like will it let me roll on a shield if I'm in fury loot spec

[lusty grotto]

you have to swap loot spec

if you want a shield you go prot loot spec, otherwise you're offspec flagged so you have less prio

[slow hatch]

thanks!

[lusty grotto]

sim

or search the channel

[round pendant]

that's so shit

[ivory elbow]

never simmed as tank does that even work

[lusty grotto]

youre not new here

ive seen your nickname before

so i really hope youre not memeing

[ivory elbow]

i am not and its very common name probably millions with this name

i dont raid i am just m+ andy

[lusty grotto]

yes it works

and yes all tanks do it

you sim dps

dps gained means you gain defensiveness out of your secondaries

the only thing you dont sim are shields (which are ilvl >>>>> all) and defensive trinkets

everything else, you do

[neon elk]

I will sim you , probably my bis

[ivory elbow]

sent a sim lets see how it does xd in a long queue for it

[azure crag]

It's so incredibly silly
just how much damage thunderblast does with the 4 piece

[lone hemlock]

Is there an amount of haste where we stop wanting haste?

[mellow bridge]

probs when you hit the 20% dr

[jagged pier]

nope

[mellow bridge]

surely getting some other stat is better at that point

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[lone hemlock]

Thank you! I just got Whispers of K'aresh ring (++haste, +mastery) and not sure if it's better than Signet of Collapsing Stars (++Versatility, +Haste). I'm simming it, just not sure.

[spiral grail]

what's the diminishing return point on haste

[ivory elbow]

btw do i just sim patchwork 5 targets or how many targets do i add sry

[lusty grotto]

st is st
5 target patch 1.5 min duration for aoe

[viral jackal]

If I can only craft either a weapon or shield to maximize Prot damage - am I better off going weapon?

[swift kelp]

Hey guys, I figured id join, new to tanking higher than heroic and did my first mythic 0, no wipes.

I fewl really fucking stupid because im just hitting buttons

[viral jackal]

Wow is just hitting buttons my man

[swift kelp]

I keep shield block up and i spam thundercrash and revenge

Am I doing it right?

[lusty grotto]

for damage yes, but shield is the recommendation for first craft

[upper ice]

Weapon will give more dmg but shield will give infinite more survive, and also lots of dmg

[mellow bridge]

shield is pretty irrelevant if all you want is damage

while mainhand is the most important slot pretty much

[viral jackal]

Kk thank you 🙏

[mellow bridge]

shield is just a stat-stick if all you want is damage

[upper ice]

An early shield craft can be a good embellishment too

[viral jackal]

Mostly heroic raiding and hitting 10s so not as worried about survivability

[mellow bridge]

but it's the most important slot for your survivability

[swift kelp]

I dont have a guild or literally anyone to play with to help me relearn this game. Just figured id pop in and see if yall where friendly lol

[naive gale]

with 2p2p would yall recommend colossus or thane? feel like im not getting any real value out of thane without 4p

[lusty grotto]

thane

[upper ice]

Welcome! I'm new too, these guys seem cool. The prot-faq channel helped me a ton

[lusty grotto]

wowhead and icyveins guides also

[swift kelp]

Sweet. Ill take a look. I got tired of the long que times as fury so im not just trying to face roll like you do on fury

I could have my cat walk across my keyboard and thats the rotation for fury, atleast when I last played it lmao

[upper ice]

I do like the "flow" of fury, but not as engaging

[swift kelp]

Thats hot

[shrewd grove]

I'm hogging all the interrupts

[swift kelp]

Are you the bay Harbour kicker?

[shrewd grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-erik-king-james-doakes-surprise-motherfucker-surprise-gif-4719446

[swift kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-dexter-innocent-gif-10412116

[ebon geyser]

Ty

[upper ice]

They call me Justin Tucker

BUt I'm a dummy and realized the best delve trinket probably doesn't drop in prot, I haven't seen an essence gorger yet

[viral jackal]

Anyone else hate that none of the talent builds take last stand anymore? 🙁

[upper ice]

... Mountain Thane does

It's required to get thunderlord

[viral jackal]

Oh I guess mythic does, the raid build doesn’t have it

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/somes-pies-motherfucker-surprise-motherfucker-gif-6038314

[mellow bridge]

well last stand is just kinda big suck

you can take it if you want or need another defensive

[upper ice]

I'm sure this has been discussed a lot, but I don't think it's correct to take storm bolts hero talent... like ever

the 10sec cooldown feels so much worse

[lone hemlock]

I know our 2 and 4 set is a bunch of damage, how much defensiveness does it give?

[upper ice]

The free procs give a TON of rage which you will need to dump into ignore pain

[ivory elbow]

getting this error

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

"Select more items to resolve other constraints (unique, etc)"

[ivory elbow]

its the same with other slots i try to do it

[lusty grotto]

other slots?

did you

try to

select

more items

[ivory elbow]

yes i did

it seems like i have pressed 4 set at the top

didnt know that mattered

apperantly i clicked in 4set there on the old ones and it didnt allow it

[lusty grotto]

makes sense

no reason to press anything there

[ivory elbow]

there we go

[main thistle]

688 and 2k m+ rating is fine for first week? I have seen people with 2.9k

[lusty grotto]

sure

[main thistle]

688 ilvl (no tier breakage yet)

[lusty grotto]

your gear does not determine your progress

2k is easy to get

[main thistle]

would be pog to do a few 10's for the vault what dung do you recommend? The new one seems cool

also feels easy

[prime sphinx]

eeco dome and gambit are the easiest

[blazing ridge]

Eco dome is so much time

[prime sphinx]

but u can get all 10s done with old gear many ppl did on wed

[main thistle]

The dragon boss at gambit is just so annyoing.. no more space after entire wall is hugged and lava everywhere

[lyric loom]

is dungeon slice fine to sim for m+?

[lusty grotto]

no

5t patchwerk 1.5 min

[lyric loom]

mdt routes

[lusty grotto]

no

[lyric loom]

ok

[final hound]

what do people look for/time for the ara kara last boss black hole suck explosion thing

my heroic leaps are inconsistent so it's probably me not timing it correctly

[lusty grotto]

just watch the cast bar

theres a short suck that happens, you can do it right then

or during it

short as in quick

[final hound]

I am watching it I just don't know how close it has to be to leap

I feel like sometimes I'm jumping too early or too late

and the quick suck is messing me up

so I was wondering roughly when that happens during the cast bar

[lusty grotto]

hard to say, it really depends on latency

so there's not a standard specific moment for everyone

[cedar egret]

0.9 works for me everytime

on arakara last boss leap

[prime sphinx]

u wait till it gives u a little knockup right at the end then jump

[main thistle]

Hardest part in araka is not having your team leave the instance after you wipe to locust swarm

[tribal wharf]

i only ever ran that key like once

as a 4

in season 1

and these fuckers all died to the final boss mechanics god only knows what likely the webs and green spit

and boss is like 15% and i kill it with execute

[wild sun]

lads, question, in a +2, ilvl 678, is 1.5 mil dps overall bad in tazavesh gambit?

[tribal wharf]

and these bastards got the balls to start "okay u have them" (at 3 of 6 upgrade track, but this one is 4 of 6)

"lets roll them off everybody roll off the trinket this guy just got"

NO, its a pug , some random pug i joined not even a full guild

[naive panther]

anyone think bsv with cloak is annoying?

this is what I want to run, but I also want BSV for 11+. thane 4 pc

like cloak and bsv going off together is overkill

so far it seems tanky, and only had issue pulling stupid things like commanders in db in big packs, so now I fixed route so none of those.

never died mind you, but sitting low hp with cloak proc forever cause mortal strike

[jagged pier]

Why are so many ppl not running shield spec

Like it provides more than ea and any given moment

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

[prisma echo]

Guys how we feel about soulbinder embrace? Like i try hard to find it equal to mud, Shield is lower by 50%, less dmg but lower cd. Only thing i can find is that it got main stat not vers does it make it even?

[waxen frigate]

I’d assume some streamer doesn’t run it

[waxen frigate]

Main stat over vers is pretty significant

[prisma echo]

Like its 18kk shield mud vs 6kk soulbinder but on 50% dmg reduction so i multiply its x2

[ivory elbow]

Prot rising

whats your ilvl and do you have 4set xd

[dusky canopy]

fury gamer actually haha

701 equipped and 4pc yes

probably 702 once i send my 45 runed left

just waiting for specific items to do it

[chrome falcon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6m3BKvhtHCJgMTAF?fight=last&playermetric=bossdps&type=summary

taking criticism

if anyone can see me being a dumbass on anything

[keen star]

you're just upgrading from hero 3 to hero 4?

or champ 7 to champ 8

[dusky canopy]

yep 701+ items

[keen star]

oh I was wondering what am I even sitting on 90 runed crests for

I guess any bis stat items I can just send them with not much to lose later

[lusty grotto]

i got 2pc brew for fury

so 2pc 2pc atm until guild lets me know on cata charges

for fury

[keen star]

2pc before spending the 2 cata charges?

[lusty grotto]

vault and lfr yes

[upper ice]

At least LFR is good for something

[lusty grotto]

my looting situation is pretty fucked otherwise i'd be 4pc

guild is managing it

[keen star]

I'm confused why you don't send the 2 cata charges unless you have the wrong off-set piece or something

[lusty grotto]

not a big deal

cause the guild is doing vault picks

for tier

because of splits

[upper ice]

That way if tier drops, they can distribute to get as many 4pc in guild as possible

[keen star]

yeah makes sense if they want to juice out every bit of dps

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a good plan

[keen star]

he already achieved his 4pc though

[lusty grotto]

but trialing makes it slower

[upper ice]

He might want to save cata for myth from vault or something, depending on guild guidance

[lusty grotto]

correct

[keen star]

I talked my guild into giving me 1 from raid, it helps tanking m+ for the officers and doing big damage. casual guild tho we'll probably only get CE during turbo boost

[upper ice]

4pc tier specifically for prot makes sense for guild bc it's such a crazy dps delta

on an already juiced spec

[keen star]

yea I went like from 2.2M to 2.9M sim

[small garden]

prot stronk?

[upper ice]

prot stronk.

[keen star]

prot has blood beast this season

but every few globals if you get 4pc proc to line up with outburst

[lusty grotto]

prot is good, not gonna be meta though

[upper ice]

Think so? Fury gonna be the meta warrior?

[lusty grotto]

no warrior will be meta

prot is taking raid spots

but def not meta for keys

for any of them

[upper ice]

bansher's squad is running fury, ik they don't define the meta, but at least it helps

[mellow bridge]

they always run fury

onetrick

[upper ice]

that's fair

[keen star]

is Kira still prot war?

[upper ice]

It pushed fury into the top spot on day 1, idk past that

[mellow bridge]

it's way too early to look at any meta stuff

[lusty grotto]

agreed

its just not gonna happen unless a phys meta comes up

[keen star]

and people might chill with pushing until turbo boost

[mellow bridge]

eh you dont need a "phys" comp

and there are very good specs rn that scale with ap like assa and frost dk (who im 99% sure would both be meta if you had to lock in right now)

[lusty grotto]

you do need a "phys" comp

thats literally what i meant

AP based

[keen star]

attack power comp

[lusty grotto]

that includes all melee and hunters

[mellow bridge]

not very physical when 50% of the dmg is magic but sure, i get what you mean :p

[keen star]

does assa really need breaks between pulls? I like chain pulling

[mellow bridge]

for their details yes

for the actual key speed, no

[chrome falcon]

they will certainly like you more

[mellow bridge]

you should avoid perma chaining mobs at 5%

that's dumb

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt such a huge boost for them in previous seasons

[mellow bridge]

but if you are properly chaining at high health amounts, go for it

[keen star]

prot war is also mostly nature and stormstrike damage

[lusty grotto]

if they bitch about it they can smd

[mellow bridge]

if you chain at e.g. 40% and they complain about it

they literally just want their details to look better

ignore that shit lmao

[chrome falcon]

mountain thane is like 90% physical (stormstrike is physical)

nature is only 10-15% of our damage

[mellow bridge]

stormstrike is both and will be whichever kind does more damage

which is almost always nature

[chrome falcon]

ya

[harsh trellis]

SO I swapped over to thane for this season. Still do not have any tier pieces. Will this feel better once I do have tier pieces because I feel like I have to run FBV because Brutal Vitality feels like im fighting for my life to keep a shitty short ignore pain active. vs the awesome ignore pain we get with colossus

[chrome falcon]

"keeping ignore pain active" is not a thing

you press ignore pain to dump excess rage

[harsh trellis]

You click it... then you do dmg

[chrome falcon]

you are not trying to maintain uptime on ignore pain

[harsh trellis]

it goes away fast so you have to get it back up again

[chrome falcon]

i haven't thought about whether IP is up or not in 4 expansions

you just use it to dump rage

[harsh trellis]

ah ok so dont rely on it for a dmg reduction at all... I gotcha

right on

[keen star]

while learning the dungeons I'm playing a tankier build without the execute talents and survivability was through the roof even without 4pc

[chrome falcon]

maintain shield block

ignore pain is just to dump rage

[harsh trellis]

Ill swap back to fbv then

I can at least keep myself alive with that

[chrome falcon]

i think brutal vit is better

[harsh trellis]

show me that build cause I agree the execute talents are freakin awesome

[chrome falcon]

but they're pretty similar

[harsh trellis]

execute builds with the fbv, I freakin love it

[chrome falcon]

FBV is just way worse in mountain thane

[lusty grotto]

fbv is for colossus

brut vit is for thane

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[harsh trellis]

it just seems so useless though

[chrome falcon]

like

it's not

[lusty grotto]

more rage on thane = better IP management so BrV is superior

colossus tier has better bleeds = makes FBV superior

[chrome falcon]

deep wounds did 3% of my damage in this 10 eco dome i just did

1.5x 3% = 4.5%

whereas BV is like 8% of your damage becomes IP

8% bigger than 4.5%

[keen star]

it's not optimal btw but it works for me pugging without remembering the routes yet https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/mountain-thane/DAOAUVQREVgYVIpRUBBNVRVFVFEGRVRUUBUEVVVUCQQ

[harsh trellis]

I dont see anything with execute on this build.

[keen star]

I did say without

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the worst build

[chrome falcon]

Well they did say it was "Without" execute talents

so that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

absolutely not recommended

indom????

wtf

[chrome falcon]

yeah i would only use that build if you're extremely unconfident about the dungeons

and even then

just learn to play with real talents

[lusty grotto]

indom is doing nothing

and has done nothing

since DF

[keen star]

so many times the group died and I stayed alive until they came back, I didn't say it's optimal

[lusty grotto]

thats not indom

[chrome falcon]

you'd stay alive anyway

[rigid hull]

is there 0 rotational change with 4 set? @lusty grotto

[chrome falcon]

4 set doesn't change rotation much

sometimes you just get a giga thunder blast

and you press it

[lusty grotto]

indom does absolutely nothing for you

[chrome falcon]

and do a billion dmage

[lusty grotto]

this was answered for you a while ago

it changes nothing

[chrome falcon]

yeah indom is just an extremely weak talent

if it was actually good survivability i'd say go for it

[keen star]

how do you make your HP go up reliably? leech and health pots?

[chrome falcon]

but the talent is just terrible

[chrome falcon]

i bring a healer to my keys

[lusty grotto]

we're not a healing tank dude

[chrome falcon]

prot warrior takes literally 0 damage

[lusty grotto]

use impending victory for a clutch

[chrome falcon]

we are a giant brick wall

our healer puts maintenance hots on us

and ignores us

[lusty grotto]

if you think indom is getting you up, you need to read that log again

[keen star]

I meant when the pull goes bad and everyone else dies

[harsh trellis]

Also ... thorims might or gathering clouds now.

[chrome falcon]

you don't plan around your entire group being dead

[keen star]

I should log my keys I guess

[chrome falcon]

if your entire group is dead then you lose

also

if you actually do dps

then the pack will die before the group

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6m3BKvhtHCJgMTAF?fight=last&playermetric=bossdps&type=summary

[keen star]

I don't but it happens, I pug early in the season

[chrome falcon]

here's a log of the 10 i just did

obviously my gear is going to be ahead of yours and i have 4set

but we're basically 4th dps with dps talents

so like

i spent 19k rage in that run

[lusty grotto]

thorim's with 4pc

[chrome falcon]

19k / 20 is what

950

so

that 19k rage

over the whole run

indom would have healed me for my entire hp bar 9.5 times

that's pathetic and not worth a bottom row talent

i don't think you appreciate how bad indom is

if you run indom your ignore pain will also heal you for 1.75% of your max hp

i can't even put into words how bad that is

[lusty grotto]

prot warrior is not a self sustain tank

stop thinking "oh this little bit of healing will surely help me"

historically we've never been

[keen star]

we have in legion

[lusty grotto]

no

[chrome falcon]

no

[keen star]

I played it

[chrome falcon]

we had some in legion

[lusty grotto]

so did i

[chrome falcon]

and i t was nice

because ignore pain was broken

but we were still about mitigation

[lusty grotto]

IP was broken for half the first patch lol

thats it

[harsh trellis]

in legion IP was nerfed into the ground after it was awesome in release

[lusty grotto]

and yeah what Matta said

ip is not self sustain

lol

thats not it by definition

[chrome falcon]

if you're constantly playing with awful players then i understand wanting to be self-sufficient

because your dps are standing in fire and your healer is dead

but pwarr doesn't work like that

your "sustain" is slamming shield wall and taking 4 damage per second

and then your healer puts rejuv on you and ignores you because you're a brick wall

you shouldn't even be running last stand

dogshit button

[chrome falcon]

spending a talent on a healthstone with a 3 minute CD

illegal

[keen star]

you could self sustain ezpz in legion

with the wrist leggo

[chrome falcon]

if your were doing piss content sure

[lusty grotto]

^

we didnt play that garbage

[keen star]

the 50% ignore pain cost reduction didn't reduce how much you healed per IP

[chrome falcon]

you did play manacles for a while

anyway

irrelevant

[rigid hull]

HOW does the global cooldown work if i reset A tb ?

[chrome falcon]

i'm gonna go get smashed in a 12

[chrome falcon]

GCD still exists

your next GCD after a reset can be used on TB

but the game takes a while to realise you got a reset

it's actually annoying as fuck

[rigid hull]

ye wtf

[frosty mango]

Roidburg is about to be retiredburg for this patch man

[rigid hull]

i noticed

somtin is wrong

[chrome falcon]

you get halfway to your next GCD

and then the game is like

"oh you got a reset btw"

[rigid hull]

so its same gcd as everyhting

just looks weird

[chrome falcon]

correct

[tribal horizon]

Guy i found myself tanking with leather boots in +10's how much of à set back can be having a leather boot with no strenght in youre opinion ?

[rich dragon]

Yo, on Dimensius, do tank have to do ring mechanic too?

On Normal

[rigid hull]

surely they will fix it?

[strong forum]

sim it 😄

but im guessing its like... 3-5%

maybe 6

[prime sphinx]

Wasnt there a 5% mainstat passive for needing all gear plate

or were those removed at some point

[ivory elbow]

[lusty grotto]

what happened

[warm plinth]

Iirc for tanks the armor bonus is stamina, not main stat

[chrome falcon]

not really

hit personal when you get 2 or 3 stacks

you can't stack with group

because if you do, you kill group

[frosty mango]

I’ve run 54 keys and gotten one piece of loot lol

[lusty grotto]

i have barely gotten anything

but i havent ran as much

[mighty valley]

turbo boost makes the start of the next season less fun

[chrome falcon]

man

i keep getting so close to 5m details in these runs

4.8 4.6 4.7 every run

pain

[prime sphinx]

join some pugs who dont have hands while farming priory trink

free 5millys

[chrome falcon]

yeah i'm just running with guildies to get them as geared as possible before tomorrow raid

and they all do too much dam

7.5m 6m 6m and then me at 4.6

[prime sphinx]

yeah

[lyric loom]

its fine to use SB charge when I have like 5-6 seconds left? or should i wait until like 1-2 seconds left

[lusty grotto]

should be fine

as long as its not close to duration cap

[real kayak]

why is oath-breaker bis over shipwrecker?

i thought we wanted haste over crit and the oath axe has less than shipwrecker

[lusty grotto]

sims

youre not supposed to go for secondaries that way

if it sims higher and its not a defensive trinket, you go by what the sims say

and it sims higher

depending on ilvl

the list in wowhead is made using the sims, at max myth track levels

or hero track if its a delve trinket

[real kayak]

its a general one hander

[lusty grotto]

oh

[real kayak]

but that makes sense with myth

[lusty grotto]

well in that case sometimes secondaries dont follow any priority, the set thats there is usually made with the entire set in mind

case in point the versa cloak last season

[real kayak]

wowhead also has a crit/haste wep as bis for m+ bis's as well

[lusty grotto]

it was there because the entire set was overloaded with haste and crit, so versa would sim higher

yes

bis arent static

[real kayak]

OH

that makes a LOT of sense

thank you so much ❤️

[lusty grotto]

you just go by sims at equal ilvl

and/or you can opt for more haste to make SB management comfier

its a general rule of thumb for retail

youre not going for the items individually, you want the entire thing or else it wont make sense

i.e. "there's no such thing as a BIS set"

[prisma crane]

interesting

[lusty grotto]

yeah interesting for the trash can

[prisma crane]

bonus armor feels odd, shame its not a ridiculous amount

[lusty grotto]

as it was in s2 and s1

96 free gold

[prisma crane]

nice, never actually saw that item drop before

[lusty grotto]

yeah just use it if its better ilvl

but replace instantly with crafted

and/or hero track if youre holding sparks

[prisma crane]

yea figured, just never saw it before, thanks!

[cerulean tusk]

That shield always fascinates me. It manages to become worse each time I look at it

Art

[lusty grotto]

lmao yea

[sage geyser]

does anyone have a weak auras GUI for cooldowns on abilities

[glacial lynx]

Got a hero shield should I just upgrade it or craft one next week (Dont do Mythic raid) or trade it to a hpally

[buoyant sparrow]

how bad is symbiotic ethergaize trinket?

[jagged gust]

!remindme

[cerulean tusk]

Just wait till you can craft the shield

[shadow pilot]

is anyone elses prot dps sims showing insanely low numbers

like 500k dps low

[sage geyser]

when you taunt something does your threat level increase to a teamates and then stay after the taunt?

[warm plinth]

It sets your threat to the threat of the mob's highest aggro target at the time, causes it to fixate you for 3 seconds, and increases your threat generation during that time by 300%

[cerulean tusk]

Taunt sets your threat value to your friends, +overagro value and gives you a threat gen bonus for the duration

The value stays to the new value, but your friend can still overagro you meanwhile and get the boss right back after it expires

[woven temple]

they might be simming low but im pumping in keys

[shadow pilot]

ya thats what im tryna fidure out cause im trying to see if the things sims are telling me to replace is accurate

or if its broke and trolling me

[tepid sparrow]

is 4 piece for prot as life changing as it is for fury

[woven temple]

as mountain thane

its a dps PUMP

played coll one time so far, didnt have as much fun

[undone beacon]

yes

I hate this weeks affix but

Padding the interrupt meters is fun

[trim island]

man last night I had a healer leave because a dps was below me on the meters after the first boss.

brother I am the dps now

[undone beacon]

check if you have junk in your custom apl

[shadow pilot]

you wonderful person

it was the api for tome that was brekaing it

[undone beacon]

I gotchu

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[lusty grotto]

thats built in now

[lusty grotto]

thane isnt simming low....

what makes you think that

thane is the top dog now with new tier

[frosty mango]

all i needed to do was complain

pugged normal got 4 tier pieces, soulhunter boots, and trinket

[lusty grotto]

gz

must be nice

[jagged gust]

nabbed antenna and idol today

https://tenor.com/view/everythings-coming-up-milhouse-lucky-simpsons-gif-11180784

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

I mean I got a hero tome but outside of that not much

So idk if I get to complain

This is also the highest I’ve ever pushed dungeon score week 1 so it feels weird that the gear situation is so iffy

[mighty valley]

i'm having design thoughts about the gear situation

i wonder if all the late season additions + tier + new season Plot Gear all combine to like

make a larger than usual number of drops you can't use yet

whereas in the past, the first week was kinda more popcorny

even while running up keys, you'd get stuff that was at least worth equipping for a moment

[undone beacon]

i did 3.9M overall in a flood 10 :3

I feel so big

[lusty grotto]

aight

all my bf6 challenges are done

time to go back to the grind

[upper ice]

Is 15% overall dmg too much for execute? I want to hit the button so bad but idk if I should

[frosty mango]

sus

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

guy even has a server tag jesus

[trim island]

depends if you're thane or colossus

[lusty grotto]

makes no difference

[upper ice]

Thane... does that mean yes it was too much?

[fallow beacon]

Quick q - I presume not but just in case, does violent outburst increase the damage of ionizing strikes at all?

[lusty grotto]

what is your specific question?

[lusty grotto]

you presumed correctly

i completely forgot about thorim's might

why wouldnt you want to press execute @upper ice

aside from... rage starving yourself, any other particular reason?

[restive oak]

is clap radius big enough to pull the shield guy behind the barrier that goes down when you kill first boss in dome?

probably not?

[nocturne spindle]

I think that's probably a wall anyway and couldn't hit it anyway

[restive oak]

you can pull it with chi burst on brew

unless they fixed alrdy

[undone beacon]

Did you die?

If the answer is no, then you’re fine

If the answer is yes, then execute less and spend rage on defensives more

Easy

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth so with delve journey 2 i can get hero items via ky'veza right?

about to test it

ok i see it, its active

[solar forum]

That fury warrior making us proud too

[heavy sparrow]

Anyone timing 11s with season 2 tier set

[lusty grotto]

i dont think how thats relevant, its a group effort

im sure there's people

[quiet pagoda]

Was very close to do so yes, but a route messup ripped us

[lusty grotto]

youre not soloing an 11

[quiet pagoda]

And full group was still in season 2 tier

[heavy sparrow]

That gives me some hope. Thanks fellas.

[restive oak]

pretty sure the dawn 11 i have was old tier set still

but then i had set before i did more, so i donno

[heavy sparrow]

Pugs seem to be doing alright in 10s but always the stragglers but that's normal

[frigid valley]

why do i suddenly have higher io on the website compared to ingame

[jagged pier]

because they changed the streets timer

[frigid valley]

oh right, forgot about that

[prisma echo]

Can you send talents or logs?

[frosty mango]

Yeah

S3 tier is really just damage and generally damage isn’t holding you back

[neon tide]

worth to use 2p + 2p for colossal?

or should i just be patient like a good boy

[lusty grotto]

are you full hero or conq 4/8 on non-tier pieces

if not then no

provided s2 is myth track

otherwise sim

[heavy sparrow]

I'm surprised too that's the case - just the struggles of DPS really meaning death per second

[tall lance]

Do we use revenge as mountain thane ? Or it is prefered to use execute ? Or both

[lusty grotto]

revenge is lowest prio

as thane

you only use it if SS or TC arent available

and just replace with execute in execute ranges

which you can probably put over TC

depending on rage economy

TB > SS > TC > Revenge (only if deep wounds or the other two arent available)
TB > SS > Execute (depending on rage)

thats the prio

as thane

[tall lance]

Thanks a lot dor those details, very appreciated

[lusty grotto]

no prob

[chilly brook]

bro this trinket is lmfao

[lusty grotto]

monk griff back in action again

[waxen frost]

Is our season 2 tier set worth breaking for higher ilvl pieces in those slots?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[chilly brook]

alternatively you swap with this helm

[shy python]

So at how much targets do we start executing instead of revenging?

[oak ivy]

3 or fewer I'd imagine

[lusty grotto]

less more than 8 you send revenge

execute hits hard as fuck, even with a 3 target cap

[oak ivy]

based

[upper ice]

I re-read the rotation guides, looks like as long as I'm not wasting procs, execute is top prio in AoE

well after CDs, etc

[lusty grotto]

can you answer my questions?

#protection message

[upper ice]

Like should I be hitting revenge or clap instead

[edgy flint]

Go to sleep

[upper ice]

I saw most logs had way more thunder blast % and less execute

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

youre thane, you shouldnt be asking about revenge

[upper ice]

Yeah I just read up, I got it now

ty

[lusty grotto]

aight

[spice wharf]

Hello. Is being tank hard? I’m leveling Warrior and I decided to give it a try and I loved this role. I always thought that DPS for me but I feel like Tank is more suitable for me. The only problem is Im not sure how hard it is

[lusty grotto]

difficulty is subjective

so thats extremely hard to answer

<@&257983573498265600>

again the scammers

[oak ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[ionic fern]

[solid sun]

Well it depends on what you find difficult

[lusty grotto]

idk how people keep getting their accounts screwed up like that

[solid sun]

Prot warrior is relatively easy as far as piloting the spec is concerned

[oak ivy]

i did once fall for the "friend you haven't spoken to in a while made a game and needs playtesters"

not my proudest moment

[lusty grotto]

oof

[spice wharf]

Well, I feel like endgame is really complicated. I can’t imagine myself learning all rotations. It feels really complicated etc but maybe Im wrong and it’s not that hard.

[ionic fern]

Your class rotation will become second nature. Then it's just about learning boss mechanics .

[lusty grotto]

its overwhelming when youre not there yet

cross that bridge when you get there

but first make that decision

we cant make it for you

[oak ivy]

on a role vs role basis i personally think high end tanking is probably harder than dps or heal, simply on the basis of "fuck up once and you die and waste 4 / 19 other peoples time"

[lusty grotto]

if you've never played a tank in an mmo, you will need to learn some basics

[ionic fern]

Tank mechanics are usually really dumb-easy.

"Use a defensive HERE"-

[oak ivy]

fair

[solid sun]

If you’re just starting out you probably aren’t just jumping into mythic raiding

N and most of the time even H is quite forgiving for tanks

[oak ivy]

this is true

[lusty grotto]

right, my point was that a lot of what we talk about here, if they are lurking, can make absolutely no sense and can overwhelm

[oak ivy]

I'm biased because I just remember bosses that had a high coggy load for me personally

(Broodtwister and Kyveza)

[lusty grotto]

if they are just starting it might be best to hop on the wow made easy discord, they are extremely insightful for new players

and if you do decide to become prot, once you get to max level you can ask us stuff here @spice wharf

but start here: http://discord.gg/wowmadeeasy

they can probably help out with very basic role stuff

[old flame]

Tanking isn't much harder or easier than any other class when it comes to pressing the buttons good, but as a tank you'll be seen as the group lead, if that's interesting to you then you should 100% try it out, there are a lot of "tank privileges" that are fun and you can always respec or re-roll to dps later

[spice wharf]

I see. Thank you guys. Really appreciate it. Gonna learn more and more then!

[old flame]

Leveling is easy once you know what you're doing

[lusty grotto]

leveling is how you learn what you should do

..

[old flame]

Right I just mean if you end up not liking prot or warrior in general, it's easy to pivot

[lusty grotto]

oh thats true

[spice wharf]

Oh yeah. It’s also nice that Warrior has DPS spec

[old flame]

Sometimes we even have 2

[lusty grotto]

lets hope arms gets another buff

well both really do need buffs

[sharp merlin]

Boring too

[shy python]

You mean more?

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry

fixed

[shy python]

Thanks 🙂

[chilly brook]

Yea, idk if I’ll stick with it but it’s pretty fun

[rigid hull]

omygod the GCD on tb reset

is annoying as fuck

[chilly brook]

?

[rigid hull]

its like theres a delay

[blazing ridge]

Brew is fun, but Prot War is prot War

[upper ice]

Don't forget to run the whole of Ulduar this week for your free hero cloak guys 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i thought they fixed that

[upper ice]

Or belt rather

[lusty grotto]

lol

belt should be okay, we'll be replacing delve belt soon

8/8 hero belt should outsim it

sorry 6/6

[upper ice]

Yeah it does, will be a bit before I spend crests on it tho

[spice wharf]

Guys, do you think it’s worth to install some WA and UI while leveling?

[leaden grail]

class specific WA probably not, none of them function properly if you don't have all spells yet. I'd probably get LeatrixPlus or whatever it's called to skip quest dialogues tho, but apart from that I feel like base UI is good enough for leveling

[old flame]

If you know how to set them up and you kinda know what you want your UI to look like you can go ahead and start getting used to them, but they're not important until you start doing things higher than Heroics at endgame where you want to condense info

[quiet pagoda]

Dumbest thing is following RWF instead of your own preferences. They gear every character and class. Can’t compare just the tanks, as if your entire group will match their composition on every boss.

But that said, Warrior is still their and in a good place. So not much lost

[autumn pawn]

Just got the tome from priory in 701, but i still have a sacbrood 694 in the other slot.

If i get another tome in 701 will i be able to trade it when my other trinket is lower even if i have the tome in same ilvl?

[rough egret]

No

If it drops as 701 you need to have both slots at 701

Not equiped

In bags is enough

Or you must equip it atelast once maybe

And then you can leave it in bags

[old flame]

Think just dropping is enough but yeah trinkets and rings need 2x drops before you can trade

[prisma echo]

Okey my fellow more exprienced brothers. I need to ask some questions about what is the best way to do more dmg oriented talents. I have some thoughts and want to get some feedback if im not thinking wrong or maybe some wrong assumptions. For now im running what i called "most defensive build" which is:

• Battle Scar Veteran
• Shielf Specialisation
• BloodSurge and for AOE i took passive ravager

Now if i want to step into execute talents i need to give up something. I feel BSV is superior 3 min invicible and its not worth dropping cuz its super strong but checking some logs, this is the first one dropped. What im missing here? Is cape kinda our cheat death that we dont need two?

So going more offensive i was thinking:

• Droping Shield Specialisation/Whirlving blade and going for Sudden Death + Heavy Handed for that 3target executes.

Even more offensive would be droping BSV for RRH. Then my only options are droping Enduring Alacirity for Massacre.

Questions is:

• What is prio for droping defensives talents between BSV/SS/EA. What i should drop first?
• What is sweet spot for offensives/defensive talent combo from your experience?
• When i should drop whirling blade? Is it worth to drop it in favour for more execute combo playstyle?

Thanks in advance ❤️

[main thistle]

90 gilded cap is so braindead how are most people gona get their resilient achievement? I need like a 5 man premade group to get those done..

[torn gulch]

like they did last season over the course of the season

[halcyon fable]

Is there something weird going on with the haste giving talents? Friend of mines prot warrior, he has 34.11% haste. When he talents into the 2% in class tree, 2% in prot tree and into the fray 8% it goes to 51% instead of the expected 46%

[rigid hull]

The delay?

[rough egret]

Its not flat % increase

[halcyon fable]

theyre not? how do they work then

[cerulean tusk]

(Value+value) x mod
(34+12)x12%=51

Prob should use X instead of star on discord

[halcyon fable]

that is...

[azure crag]

do
do we lose shield durability every time we use shield slam?

[cerulean tusk]

It is to stop the scenario where your haste mods get less useful as you stack more haste.

If you want to easily see this in action, jump to Fury, have frenzied regen and odyn's Fury with auto enrage (to activate enrage)

Check your haste in stats, click OF and see the power of mini heroism

[azure crag]

it feels like my shield runs out of durability faster than everything else

[cerulean tusk]

When we get hit and block, and yeah, giga pulls with many small hits and it gets shred. Always bring auto hammers

I had my shield break midway through Floodgate, as the giga pulls lasted that long

[turbid forge]

hello what is the best theroic talent for new war prot ?

[azure crag]

I just finally unlocked the ability to repair shields with my blacksmith hammer. Very glad, too, cause I also had my shield break in the middle of a dungeon and it was Bad

[lean bramble]

ProtWar on Wplace 😎🤜🏻.
Gotta finish in this week.

[rigid hull]

the delay on TBLAST 4 set reset isnt my internet right @strong forum

[strong forum]

you mean delay as in, needing all 5 ionizing strikes to hit, and THEN TB resetting yes?

thats intended

[rigid hull]

ah

[vivid spade]

is there a reason i missed why ITF seems to be picked more over HR? I know once we hit decent haste in S2 HR was better, didnt think we'd regressed

[prime sphinx]

?

uve got it the wrong way round

[kind urchin]

It's the other way around. With low haste you need HR to keep shield block up but with high haste you can swap to ITF and not have to worry about shield block.

[vivid spade]

well then i completely misread it in S2 and was gimping myself...whoops

[hoary spear]

Is mountain thane beter once I get 2 set?

or better to wait until I have 4 set?

[lone current]

4 set, unless you've got really low level gear then sims might show 2pc+2pc is ok

[shy python]

Why do you need this in week 1 in the first place?

[rigid hull]

we are getting nerfed huh

way too much dam with 4 set

[prime sphinx]

mby

brew can do about the same

[frosty mango]

They already nerfed it by 30%

Brew does about the same, so does bdk

[brisk rain]

how shit is this?

or how good is this?

[merry umbra]

10 streets, insane trinket 😄

you lose a lot of str when u play this and tome so not a good choice for survivability, but for pure dps its nice

[torpid dome]

soo whats the haste breakpoint for this seaon?

[merry umbra]

I havent played prot war in a while but I reckon its the same as last, get 20k haste for cap and rest in crit/versa or mastery if u struggle with survivability

[frosty mango]

Not really a breakpoint per se but it’s probably more than 20k if you want to be truly comfy

Not sure if a more exact number has been worked out yet

[rigid hull]

12 eco

lets goooooooo

big dam

[lilac widget]

so i just had my first go tanking dimensius

whats with the constant grabs do i just HAVE to stay in melee range and not help raid with the soaks etc?

[undone beacon]

Correct, active tank is always pulled within 5 yds of the boss

Plus his autos hit everyone in a radius around the tank so you never want to be near other players if you’re the active tank

[bronze pasture]

can other people see your character get bigger if you drink noggenfogger select up? :p

[hoary spear]

Hey everyone, i'm having trouble staying alive against Dailcry on +9 POSF, I run out of defensives before the boss dies, his piercing armor ability shreds, any pointers?

[hoary spear]

Mountain Thane?

[rigid hull]

Yes

[hoary spear]

Nice!

[torn gulch]

you space your defensives basically

[lament osprey]

Hello where can I go for help with logs for raid?

[torn gulch]

you need a plan for every pierce armor

[torn gulch]

log channel put your logs there

[lament osprey]

#1347646810457636974 ??

[torn gulch]

yes

[lament osprey]

Thank you

[lilac widget]

@undone beacon ah thanks for clearing that up for me 🙂

also i was wondering

is it possible to take sudden death here? i thought maybe if i somehow picked up indomitable too that might do the healing part of the deep wounds talent?

[undone beacon]

Are you playing colossus or thane

[undone beacon]

Indom is never worth taking. If you’re playing Thane you don’t take Bloodborne ever, and you also take Brutal Vitality instead of Fueled By Violence

[rigid hull]

GUYS any addon that can autolog my dungeons?

so i can upload to my wcraftlogs

[lilac widget]

colossus atm, i'm guessing i'll be swapping to mthane at 4pc but not exactly thrilled with it

hoping colossus is still good

@undone beacon

[undone beacon]

SimpleCombatLogger

[undone beacon]

Colossus is alright but Thane is just better this season

[harsh trellis]

raider.io does it automatically

[mortal cypress]

I read that as methane

[undone beacon]

Stay off the methane kids

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/indiniprint-peter-griffin-farting-on-meg's-face-gif-16236183519554983030

[harsh trellis]

Here is what im using for 10s atm

[ionic fern]

No.

[harsh trellis]

it works for me so im stickin with it

[ionic fern]

[undone beacon]

There are a lot of very interesting choices in this tree

I would not recommend it lmao

[harsh trellis]

Like I said, it works for me 🙂

[undone beacon]

Happy it works for you but don’t go telling other people to use it lol

No shield charge, half-committing to the execute build, tough as nails

I’m assuming you’re playing colossus if you’re taking FBV

[harsh trellis]

Nope thane

[woven temple]

aint no way you have shield block 100% uptime with that build

[harsh trellis]

I dont have an issue with it

[undone beacon]

Okay add FBV to the list of questionable choices :P

Hey man whatever works for you I don’t pay your sub but

[harsh trellis]

Brutal vitality does nothing really

[undone beacon]

Build is objectively worse than the standard

[harsh trellis]

absolutely nothing as far as I can see

[civic moon]

chat

should i prioritize revenge or ignore pain

[solemn current]

It’s actually pretty great as thane now that brutal vitality adds damage to the next ignore pain if it drops and works with thunder blast. It’s just not as good on colossus because it doesn’t work on abilities like demolish for some reason.

[solid sun]

Brew is way less fun than pwar

[harsh trellis]

Is it?

I was looking at warcraftlogs and raider io

[solid sun]

I am disappointed

[harsh trellis]

and was thinkin of gearing out my brew

[undone beacon]

See what happens when you don’t play a rage based tank

Your bear is waiting

[mortal cypress]

brew gets to run around drunk like weird uncle tony though

[keen star]

how is tiefclap not tracking shield slam stacks and thunder blast stacks it's so triggering

I do it like this, red glow on TB means it has a 4pc proc on it

and shield slam stacks is how many shield slams are CD-less

[worn ore]

when do i want to replace the belt from Delves?

[keen star]

I assume when the replacement sims better

[pallid quiver]

^^^^, once a belt starts simming better, it'll do more damage and likely have similar or better defensive performance

[pallid quiver]

You don't particularly prioritize either; revenge as Thane is used to fill empty globals where you (somehow) can't cast Shield Slam or Clap/Blast so you can get shield slam reset, while IP is your off GCD rage dump that fluffs you with survival. You'll end up pressing both often enough with our rage economy.

[naive panther]

@harsh trellis move tough as nails to bloodsurge, fbv swap. Shield spec to shield charge.

[frosty mango]

been using this in street

has been by far the best route so far

hitting last boss with ~8 mins left in 11-12s

ok this is the wrong channel but relevant here anyway, lol

[civic moon]

is it weirrd i sometimes have rage issues

as colossus

[sharp cradle]

alright so when should I start focusing on crit over haste? currently at 33% haste, cape has haste fiber and belt is the haste proc and I'm at 18% crit

[keen star]

very relevant everyone struggles with streets

I tried yoda's route and the timer has been a problem

[mellow bridge]

anyone know which of our abilities supposedly proccs Miniscule Mailemental in an Envelope? Is it tclap?

[frosty mango]

so in this one pulls 5-6 can be tough but you get to start RP on band boss

then you drag big guy while starting mail gather, immediately loop back to band rp which you dont have to wait for

and you can start rp for menag while doing pull 13

you have to skip miniboss which requires small brain but thats to @warm plinth and his neat little video pretty sure you can no brain it now

[pallid quiver]

That generally happens when you over prioritize Revenge in ST (your rage gen is lower in ST, so you have to rely on TC for rage gen more often), aren't sending Outbursts on Shield Slam (gives you a ton more rage; the extra damage in pretty much every scenario as Colo is nice), or when you're over-spending on IP

Colo is generally harder to maintain proper rage pacing than Thane, since you press less generator buttons overall

[sharp cradle]

or should I keep going full speed ahead with haste?

[harsh trellis]

Interesting route. But if you dont have a priest hiw do you deal with the npc in front of the portal to the last boss?

[frosty mango]

you can skip it

[harsh trellis]

How?

What sourcery lets you get close?

[frosty mango]

jump up, run up the little ramped part, click console

[harsh trellis]

Even with the guy there? Weve never been able to do that

Someone always pulls

[frosty mango]

ive done it like 20 times

[frosty mango]

thats not a no priest problem thats an idiot problem lol

you can reach the console from the top of the thing, no shenanigans needed

you literally just click it

[steep pivot]

Hey its worth to drop 4p s2 to 2p s2 and 2p s3?

[mellow bridge]

generally no

[glacial skiff]

did they change shield block duration or something? i noticed i'm occasionally a second or so without shild block uptime in keys now

[keen star]

did you drop season 2 4pc or some haste?

[old flame]

Did you drop S2 4pc and what is your haste at

[waxen quartz]

I’m def misplaying but wondering why I could be ending up with dead globals sometimes in keys. I either run out of rage or don’t want to hit revenge to pool for a SB coming off CD. Is it normal to ever just hit slam?

[glacial skiff]

26k haste, 4 piece s3

[keen star]

maybe you're sending SB or shield charge at the end of a pull?

[mellow bridge]

dropping s2 tier means you los SB uptime

[keen star]

you can pool some cooldowns during downtime

[mellow bridge]

but that should be enough haste for 100% if you play well

[glacial skiff]

it happens VERY rarely, but it does happen lol

[keen star]

you can avoid it by not using more SB than what you need to finish a pull but yes season 2 4pc was extra SB uptime

[lapis wedge]

Hey wanna ask a quick question. I Just tried priory +10 with some mates. My warry has iLvL ~686 +- 2 dont know right now. Is it just that i played it terrible or is there Something going in with priory. As soon as i pulled two groups or a bit more I struggled like hell to keep up with my life. I had to spend almost all of my rage for ignore pain etc. Wasn't even close to be able to deal some "serious" damage. I'm running s2 - 2pc and s3 - 2pc.

[cursive needle]

Push shield wall pre pull on those big pulls. It will probably solve a lot of your problems.

[lapis wedge]

Ah im already 694

[lapis wedge]

Pre pull wasn't really much of a problem. Mid pull was the big nono. We went left side after Suleiman and I pulled the two archer packs and mid pull they just deleted me even though I had shieldblock etc up. Just no shieldwall ready. Ignore pain kinda stacked but I don't know, they just went full ham on me.

[jagged pier]

need logs

[polar patio]

likely casters

[lapis wedge]

Sadly didn't make any because I went full tilt after that key 😅

[polar patio]

and mob abilities that nuke IP

like in Dawn

[cursive needle]

Hm, yeah, logs will help. My healer I run with says he doesn’t know wtf happens with me, but he says I take zero damage. Ever lol.

[lapis wedge]

Yeah that's what I'm used to have too but today it was a totally different situation

[polar patio]

dunno why but i feel like having no IP feels hella lot worse than not having SB

[lapis wedge]

Yeah that's my experience too, I think mainly because of the % dmg reduction it grants

[fleet owl]

Should I keep the old tier set until I get the new 4 set even if the ilvl is pretty low? All of my pieces from S2 are at 658 ilvl

[polar patio]

I can provide some logs of my 10s

want them in log channel or is fine here? @jagged pier

[floral falcon]

Gosh I want to play and enjoy Prot but spamming Ignore pain is not fun at all. I don't like spinning plates class design

[polar patio]

i mean,i can somehow have an idea how it happens but that would be weird.

[polar patio]

try pally, so you cant even move while building your lego stacks

[floral falcon]

I'll be cold dead and buried in the unforgiving earth before I EVER touch Pa*din

[polar patio]

relatable

and honest

[floral falcon]

I wish I could play Arms but still tank!! "Just play BDK" no its not the same

[polar patio]

i mean

if you compare arms to bdk

they only thing in common is how clunky they feel

[floral falcon]

Big 2H weapon

I enjoy how Arms plays

[polar patio]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[keen star]

I don't see how it's spinning plates you're just doing your rotation and dumping rage on IP without thinking about how much of it you have

[floral falcon]

I want to dump rage on Revenge and Execute

[jagged pier]

so do it?

[floral falcon]

die instantly if you don't have 100 IP stacks and Shield Block up

[mental scarab]

Eh

When that trash hp is execute rang i slam my face on that button😂

[mighty valley]

your group is doing something extremely wrong if this is the case

[mental scarab]

Healer must have something to Do

[floral falcon]

True, get to work dresswearer

chop chop

[minor lark]

the last place blocking me is Streets

On that damn mail boss, do tanks run packages? Have gotten conflicting info

[cursive needle]

I don’t pug, but I make everyone else run them lol

[noble dust]

How do we deal with divine judgmeent?

Can we spell reflect that?

on prioriy that is

[solid sun]

Colossus doesn’t spam IP. Just play that instead of thane

[obtuse egret]

Does a 701 Crit haste ring beat Mythic jastor diamond?

[waxen quartz]

Do you ever hit slam in keys? Like just a couple times during down globals?

[undone beacon]

Spell reflect will reduce the dam but not reflect the buff

[undone beacon]

No

It is always better to send the rage on revenge

[undone beacon]

Sim it habibi

[obtuse egret]

I meant for survivability as well, not just dps

[undone beacon]

The conventional wisdom is that gear (non trinkets) increase your damage, it increases your survivability

[jagged pier]

god i wish i had 4 set

[waxen quartz]

Answer could still be no. But slam generates rage so it would mainly be for when block is coming off cd and pooling

[warm plinth]

The people pulling are doing it the old way by just jumping up and moving forward. You need to jump up, turn, jump to the top of the slope. Then it's foolproof. https://youtube.com/shorts/HOq7gQsdAF0?si=cSUbMDgBXEyrTzWb

[undone beacon]

Slam is a spender

[waxen quartz]

Oh you’re right I misread. Thanks mate

[obtuse egret]

noted, ill sim it then. Do we go for dungeon slice? or do that sim the route thing

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[warm plinth]

St patchwerk and 5t patchwerk

[undone beacon]

Honestly I sim 5 Target 1minute 30 second patchwerk

And then a 3 min 1 target patchwerk

[warm plinth]

That's exactly what I do too

[obtuse egret]

noted, ill do that. Thank you

[undone beacon]

Good measure of the two pull types

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/nubby-nubby's-number-factory-nubbys-number-factory-pet-nub-gif-10828535552509613360

[steady edge]

silly question but do you guys use impending victory a lot?

[undone beacon]

Only when I need the heal, so not super often

But it’s a great tool

[mighty valley]

yeah if someone missed a kick or there’s a heal absorb and the healer needs some help, sure

but if things are going well that GCD would be better spent on anything else

[steady edge]

makes sense! ty

[steep pivot]

Hey i asked before, but i cant find it, but its worth to change 4p s2 to 2ps2 and 2ps3?