protection

[visual spade]

Ive never seen anything spell reflect works on for him

[primal mason]

I get a ping for the large frontal that you are supposed to dodge

From the weak aura

The tree boss

[jagged gust]

its a deflect

save your SR for the tank buster

[warm plinth]

I mean it's easier to do than the ML wall and pugs did that all the time

[lyric loom]

its safe to craft shield this week?

[lusty grotto]

lol scott is in this lfr

[neon elk]

Is it? Looks bit sketchy , gotta try it today

[lusty grotto]

another liquid player encountered in the wild

[mortal cypress]

Im sure hes a nice guy and all, but everytime I see him he looks like he just licked piss of a nettle lmao

[lusty grotto]

i think he wanted 1 more piece but we didnt get warrior tier

[copper gale]

What do most consider their most important first craft? I thought would be shield but wowhead lists “lowest ilvl item”

[lusty grotto]

shield

gilded crafted shield

[mortal cypress]

whisper him and say "Yo Scott, now we have played together, can I get a trial in Liquid?"

[lusty grotto]

as of right now

[copper gale]

Sounds exactly right. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

later in the season and/or if you have Myth track shields secured, you can jump to that specific advice

anyway i got my lfr piece

not the one scott needed

leggies

[lusty grotto]

i should have tbh

[jagged gust]

that is some vivid imagery

[mortal cypress]

You never heard that phrase?

[jagged gust]

No but it's the most American thing I've ever heard

Well, read.

[mortal cypress]

I thought you were american lmao

[lusty grotto]

sometimes i just dont know

[jagged gust]

Nah, I actually live frighteningly close to Yogi

[lusty grotto]

hat of america

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/sorrey-gif-8824598

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/super-troopers-syrup-chugging-gif-5983656

[mortal cypress]

Anyway, if something is funny, unless its a cartoon like King of the Hill, it aint American

[jagged gust]

Explains why we're always laughing at you guys

ugh I'm too tired, if I wrote that the way I thought it, it'd be funny

Maybe I'm American after all

[rigid hull]

WHAT exactly changes in rotation when we get 4 set as thane?

[jagged gust]

Nadda

[raw parcel]

So is this an easy season or am I getting better? Though I suppose they aren't mutually exclusive options.

[mighty valley]

Probably both

Feels more like s2 than s1

[limpid tide]

anyone playing with netherstorm trinket? I've just been holding onto stacks and never consuming the on use effect. Someone finding a good value time to use it?

[lusty grotto]

netherstorm trinket?

[limpid tide]

netherprism my bad

[lusty grotto]

i mean you use it with your cds

so thats about it

[covert gale]

anyone have macro for avatar + trinkets

[lusty grotto]

careful with that

but /cast Avatar /use 13 (or 14) should work

and only really use it with 1.5min trinkets

or 45s which is half

so multiples of that

[limpid tide]

so the sim sends it on~~ cd~~ on avatar cd?

[lusty grotto]

i can check real quick

[limpid tide]

ty senpai

[azure crag]

the 4 piece is pretty fun

[lusty grotto]

its using it on Avatar casts

doesnt matter the stacks of the trinket itself

avatar should be around 45s with proper rage use

so uhhh

thats part of the fury apl

im not seeing specifics for prot

ill ask nome about it and get back to you

[limpid tide]

wow I really appreciate the dedication, but hopefully I only need to use it a few more days until a trinket upgrade so pls don't go into too much effort ty

[lusty grotto]

might as well

at worst it fully stacks at 180s, at worst, that means rng being extremely on point

[bleak marsh]

Whats the minimal amount of haste we aiming for again to make everything smooth i.e fluid shield blocks. used to be 21000ish that still the case or around what % haste ?

[lusty grotto]

so essentially if youre in combat all the time you could have full stacks a 3 mins marks

that aligns perfectly with our cds

[lusty grotto]

around 25kish i would say

losing s2 4pc means you need more haste for SB uptime since you wont have SC up as much

and SC applies SBs

thats 25k-ish with ITF talented

obviously you can use less with HR

if need be

[bleak marsh]

tyvm!

[lusty grotto]

the bare minimum to swap to ITF is 20k with s3 4pc btw

[bleak marsh]

would you also say that its more important to equip higher ilvl pieces and having to drop some haste and be below the 25k because the stats on the piece are not bis stats, or to keep a low ilvl bis piece equipped until you can replace it with something that does have the right stats and maintain 25kish ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

ilvl > all

25k is just a ballpark

you can easily be comfy with less or need more than

and thats with ITF

if you drop below 20k with 4pc just play HR

[bleak marsh]

❤️ much appreciated

[lusty grotto]

keep s2 4pc until you get a full s3 set btw

[fossil horizon]

is it useful to make a wa that tells you when you get hit by an unblocked melee indicating you are wrongly positioned?

[lusty grotto]

that'd be super complicated if not impossible

and very cpu intensive

well maybe not impossible but hardly worth it

having information after the fact is not helpful

prot warriors are proactive, you cant do much if youve already gotten hit in your butt

plus, do people really need such info? all it takes is looking at your character

[hidden rock]

https://tenor.com/view/hard-ass-slap-butt-hardest-slap-gif-4750104030261112481

^ back attacks

[azure crag]

As a gnome, gotta say
It is very easy to lose track of myself. But still totally doable, just backpeddle a bit and most of the time the mobs don't do that stupid thing where they immediately try to chase you down

[lusty grotto]

backpedal*

[azure crag]

and continue sitting at your back. Especially if they're slowed

Bake puddle

[lusty grotto]

comes from literally back pedalling on a bicycle

pedal

[azure crag]

comes from "you understood what I meant"

[lusty grotto]

no i didnt

[azure crag]

then how did you know I was saying bonk ponkle?

[lusty grotto]

and its my job to fix that atrocity of a typo

because its very common

[azure crag]

You knew. You just wanted to be that guy

[hidden rock]

[lusty grotto]

im not denying it

peddle makes my blood boil

[azure crag]

Blud bubble

[hidden rock]

Makes me think of the song

[undone beacon]

What about

Devestator

[lusty grotto]

ok calm down satan

[azure crag]

Sheild slam

[chrome sapphire]

2 piece Season-2 set. I know it's random, but I do like the Shield Wall proc now and then.
Any guidance on when to give it up? With 4 piece Season-3 or with non-set pieces that have better stats period?

[lusty grotto]

4pc for 4pc

we dont do 2p 2p

you trade s2 4pc for s3 4pc, only

[chrome sapphire]

Really, even when going heroic->heroic for 2p2p?

[neon tide]

Can’t seem to do big DPS as mountain thane compared to colossal. Still using old 4 piece is this normal chat?

[lusty grotto]

likely, sim it

[lusty grotto]

yes, thats why we tell people here to not swap until then

thane's power is in s3 4pc, nothing more

read it

[neon tide]

Thanks….. people in my m+ team telling me to switch but I said my numbers aren’t gonna be like that so ima go tell them you said so 😂

[sharp merlin]

How do I tell my M+ team I’m gonna be Japan for the whole of September? 😂

[mortal cypress]

"Sayōnara bakas!"

[sharp merlin]

I’m actually scared I’ll fall behind way too far

But I shouldn’t think like that - enjoy vacation, don’t live your life around seasons

[mortal cypress]

Take it one further:
Don't live your life around a fucking computer game lmao (unless its your job)

[sharp merlin]

Trueee

Nah this game just gets you like that, I’ve barely played (only just did a 10 key for vault) and I feel super far behind

[mortal cypress]

its week 1.....

i havent even done a 10 yet

[sharp merlin]

I’m also looking at people who are timing 14s and realising I should have been doing months on ptr /s

[main thistle]

been inspecting people in dornogal. like 60% has 4 set wtf is this how?

[lusty grotto]

2 catalyst charges, 1 normal drop, 1 vault pick

1 charge from last week, 1 charge from AOTC/KSM

or... youre in illidan and are seeing Liquid alts

and/or any HoF guild

that does splits

it isnt hard

same thing applies to EU realms

and echo/method alts

[polar patio]

yeah or be me

no set in vault, no set in lfr no in nm

cant wait fr the brand nerf

did like 25% of my overall in piory 11 yesterday

how fixated are we on the swap 4p for 4p thing? im running 671 ilvl set pieces still q:^) so i think at some point 2k mainstat should be better right

[lusty grotto]

sim it

[polar patio]

how would i sim as tank for potential 2/2 vs 4 low ilvl /0 =

i aslo have already aquired the forbidden one

[polar patio]

i see

[lusty grotto]

must be nice

[polar patio]

never bothered with simming as tank ngl

[lusty grotto]

well you should

cause all tanks do it

[polar patio]

it is not, now im sitting on double crit item which feels giga weird

[lusty grotto]

idk why you say that

why do you think its weird?

[polar patio]

while it does damage (brand) and provide good bonus to defensioves (parry / crit) i feel like running 2 trinkets and loosing out on 12-15k mainstat kinda sucks ass right

[lusty grotto]

wrong

especially on the very last season of an expansion

secondaries gain more value

because stat pools are bigger

youre gaining a fuckton of parry and crit

[polar patio]

i am aware

[dense folio]

hey, should i change house of cards?

[polar patio]

just saying it doesnt feel nice to me

[dense folio]

for arakara?

[lusty grotto]

well we're not based on feelings

data > feelings

[high latch]

I'm thinking yes, but you can always sim it to be sure

[lusty grotto]

or rather, numbers > feelings

[lusty grotto]

sim

[dense folio]

k ty

[polar patio]

Can we still maintain 100% uptime on sb with new set?

since i dont have yet im curious

[lusty grotto]

you will need more haste

[polar patio]

46% pre fray buff?

[high latch]

If you don't have enough, just run Heavy Repercussions instead of ITF

[lusty grotto]

SC cdr provided around 4-5k rating less needed because SC itself applies SB

[high latch]

I think the breakpoint is about 20k haste?

[lusty grotto]

20k for ITF swap

around 25k for comfy levels

compared to 16k for ITF swap with s2 4pc

and around 20k for comfy levels

[polar patio]

me on luo 4pc

i think i have enough

lmao

[lusty grotto]

you will go down

as you replace gear with ilvl

[polar patio]

thats w/o itf and double crit trinket

[lusty grotto]

provided youre gearing correctly

as in ilvl > all

[polar patio]

question tho

why is the 980 armor leg kit considered better than the 900 stam one?

curious about that for a while

[lusty grotto]

cause armor gives us strength

its a double win

[polar patio]

https://tenor.com/view/naruhodo-gif-21492424

[lusty grotto]

all warrior specs use the armor one because of it

[polar patio]

i really should get into the habit of reading my class tree

and not just going to 3k and move on

[languid flame]

what are we trying to get from so'leah's secret technique as prot? haste?

[lusty grotto]

any stat is fine but haste will be your highest one at ilvl cap

[languid flame]

wait... does any class even use haste main atm?

[lusty grotto]

sure

most tanks

and WW

at the top of my head

most if not all tanks, actually

[languid flame]

yeah but for m+?

[kindred parcel]

plenty

[lusty grotto]

why the question

[kindred parcel]

I assume he's asking which classes to target for his soleahs so he doesnt haev to ask

[languid flame]

rerolling and my trinkets are shit

[lusty grotto]

i mean soleahs is fine but there's plenty of trinkets

[kindred parcel]

Dev Evoker, Shadow priest, bm hunter

[lusty grotto]

its not the end-all-be-all

[kindred parcel]

off the top of my head

[pale loom]

Hey! What first item should I craft? Just a shield with Haste/crit?

[lusty grotto]

but why does it matter

[kindred parcel]

if you get crit with soleah its not the worst thing ever either

[lusty grotto]

soleah's is your highest stat

not just haste

[lusty grotto]

yea

if you dont have a guaranteed myth track shield, that is

[kindred parcel]

soleahs is the highest of targets stat is what you get. he's asking because i assume he wants haste

[lusty grotto]

ah right

[languid flame]

yeah

[kindred parcel]

most dps will have either haste of crit be their prio

[lusty grotto]

completely forgot about it

[kindred parcel]

either is fine

[lusty grotto]

its late in NA

[languid flame]

my stats are wonky atm cuz i raid as fury and looking to gear as prot because keys are aids atm

[kindred parcel]

Prot is lucky. it doesnt have a bad stat. any increase is good for you

[lusty grotto]

yeah either are fine

if you cant meet haste marks, you can just swap ITF with HR

[kindred parcel]

at least last season arms was okay so you could dual gear like that...fury and prot are complete opposite

are we still doing 22kish is our haste mark?

[lusty grotto]

20k min for ITF with no s2 4pc

around 25k for comfy levels

specifically without s2 4pc

[kindred parcel]

yeah im at 22800 with 2pc

im 2/2 atm

[lusty grotto]

why are you using 2pc

[kindred parcel]

ilvl

[lusty grotto]

swap 4pc for 4pc

nah

not for tier

SC cdr is too good

plus you can sim it

youll get the same results

to what im saying

[kindred parcel]

why tf is my simc not working

the hell

[lusty grotto]

raidbots, you mean

[kindred parcel]

no

literally. i type /simc

and it doesnt let me hit enter

[lusty grotto]

oh the addon

hmm

[kindred parcel]

says its up to date. the hell

[languid flame]

maybe another addon breaking ur chat

[kindred parcel]

nah everything else is working

guess ill reload. i have to go to bed for work in like 20 minutes so im not super concerned

yeah i get a little stutter freeze and nothing happens

[lusty grotto]

are lua errors off on your end?

[kindred parcel]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

or check Bugsack if you have it

[kindred parcel]

i even click my simc icon on my map

nothin

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️ it works for me

but its likely that its what ruru is saying

another addon might be fucking with it

youll never know unless you check errors

[kindred parcel]

im d checking simc update

[lusty grotto]

should be version 11.2.0-02

[kindred parcel]

wtf wowup. why do you have simulation craft as IGNORED

weird. i have 11.0.2-01

and wowup says up to date

just gonna fresh install it

there we go

[native depot]

What did u guys crafted on this week?

[lusty grotto]

the recommendation is shield

[kindred parcel]

shield

[native depot]

with gilded crests right

[kindred parcel]

aye

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[native depot]

crit haste + whic embel ?

[kindred parcel]

dwan

*dawn

or verse

your choice

[lusty grotto]

you can sim them

whatever sims highest between dawn and dusk

[kindred parcel]

2P/2P is simming over 180k damage higher lol

than 4p s2

as thane

[lusty grotto]

in st

[kindred parcel]

doing colo now

[lusty grotto]

is your s2 tier myth track?

[kindred parcel]

hero

[lusty grotto]

and im guessing its an ST sim

ah makes sense

[kindred parcel]

yeah between the two pieces

its 23 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

sim aoe

5 target 1.5 min

[kindred parcel]

working on that atm

if i can remember how to change it off patchwek rofl

[lusty grotto]

what are the numbers for colossus

[kindred parcel]

i dont have premium

huge queue

[lusty grotto]

you do patchwerk

[kindred parcel]

hold

[lusty grotto]

patchwerk 5 target

[kindred parcel]

there we go

doing than again 5 target 1.5 minute

doing collo no

*now

[lusty grotto]

did you not do colossus ST?

[kindred parcel]

not yet

i dont have premium as i said. i get to wait in the 250 long person queue

[lusty grotto]

ok but

you simmed thane ST, you didnt think colossus ST would be a good comparison before aoe sims?

[kindred parcel]

i said i was in the process then you asked a bunch of questions lel

[lusty grotto]

anyway it doesnt matter, it will depend on the content you do anyway

[kindred parcel]

you wanna maybe chill out?

[lusty grotto]

i type fast

doesnt mean you gotta change plans

[solemn kelp]

Don't know what to make of this.

[lusty grotto]

its bad but if its higher ilvl than what you have then use it

and replace with a crafted asap

[kindred parcel]

i had to look closer

that shit has no stam on it???

coloss cleave is 430k dps higher with 2p/2p

[lusty grotto]

link sims

[kindred parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EwZjPRmY5a5j9MvYyHaUs

[lusty grotto]

that makes no sense

the tier equipped has the thane bonuses

[kindred parcel]

huh?

yeah...because i ran both talents in one sim. what you're seeing is my sim as thane with the gear I have. and coloss is 436k higher with 2p/2p. and 220k higher with 4p s2

I dont know why this surprises you

[lusty grotto]

oh

youre using chest

our offpiece in s2

because youre using engi helmet for some reason

[kindred parcel]

because ilvl is king

and dont even try and pretend

that me using the offpiece

is the reason its such a colossal (hehe) upgrade

its because my 2p/2p is literally 24 ilvl higher

than 4p s2

[lusty grotto]

that dps isnt coming from your ilvls

[kindred parcel]

its coming from the 2p/2p lol

which you told me would be trash compared to 4p s2

which...is just not true

sims right there

[rancid tiger]

4p is defensive as well

[lusty grotto]

except youre gonna get super fucked on SB uptime

[kindred parcel]

i have perma SB

lol

im at 40% haste

i dont ever drop SB

[lusty grotto]

ok

[kindred parcel]

bruh perma SB

is easy to get as low as like 20% haste

wym im gonna get super fucked on SB uptime

[rancid tiger]

My man playing his own game

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[rancid tiger]

Besting even sims

And conventional wisdom

[kindred parcel]

are yall just in M+ pulls that take 60 years or somethin?

[lusty grotto]

you wanna calm down a little bit

?

[kindred parcel]

i type fast

[lusty grotto]

ah, youre angry

gotcha

[kindred parcel]

...what?

How...did you gather that Im angry?

[lusty grotto]

batting the comment around lmao

[kindred parcel]

OH

[lusty grotto]

one of those

[kindred parcel]

i was like

what LOL

[lusty grotto]

k

got it

you do you buddy

welcome to skyhold btw

[kindred parcel]

thanks! i used to be here all the time but my discord all screwed up

had to rejoin all my old servers

I think this is the most ive ever typed in this server tho

[sharp merlin]

Hahaha you’re the best

[keen star]

bro when you line up outburst and 4set proc

and you hit 5 targets for 9.6 million each

and you see 12 M dps on the meter

I'm glad I didn't go vdh

[sharp merlin]

Everyone hates purple health bars bro!

It’s the only tank I didn’t get to 3k last season

[blazing ridge]

Fuck VDH people rely so much on their grouping utility that makes their gameplay more easy, how often there is a caster not gathering correctly because no one uses his range kick on them, so they move into the pack, is just mind blowing. They all depend on some magical pull and aoe silence. I mean sure I try to kick caster on gather or use my aoe silence often so they gather, but it's not available for every pull. VDH just vacuum them all together and people can just blast and not think or try

[steel onyx]

Just ping the caster and the problem will be solved in a lot of cases

[keen star]

imo if all mobs are in vacuum range then they're already close enough to kill the pack evenly enough

the vacuum is mostly for solar beam

I love playing with DKs this season though, I just ping and they grip

[blazing ridge]

Good advice gonna try this later

[keen star]

also DKs can trade gear sometimes

[steel onyx]

Exactly!

[keen star]

and they want the 5% AP

it's a symbiotic relationship

[blazing ridge]

Yeah DKs are good trying to have on in each group too often the only meele I can take with BR

Shamy/Dk/MM/Assa/Prot is like my feel good comp

[keen star]

I like chain pulling so rogues don't like me

gotta go fast

[blazing ridge]

Nah I chill for my rogue friends

[keen star]

I did this halls +10 yesterday

[blazing ridge]

Lmao

[keen star]

mobs were just flying towards us

but the chest didn't drop that I wanted them to trade me

it dropped on my first run today thankfully

[blazing ridge]

I got it out of a 6 HoA yesterday xd

[keen star]

I really wanted it

[blazing ridge]

I've been running floods so much for the pacemaker

[keen star]

I dropped it but I'm disappointed it doesn't sim well on single target

[blazing ridge]

Mhm

[keen star]

two damage proc trinkets sim the most

[blazing ridge]

Ara better?

Ic

[keen star]

I didn't sim ara but these 2 sim well

I guess I can try to somehow sim all trinkets

or I can just look at bloodmallet

[blazing ridge]

Is this raid trinket?

[keen star]

yes from the first boss

[sharp merlin]

I do this too, but they don’t and even the DK with grip doesn’t know 😂 last night I somehow got knocked to the other castle edge in the corner on HOA, and the priest healer had no idea he could grip me back over 😂

Shocking how many people don’t know their kit or potential

[keen star]

yea I've had DKs tell me they don't like gripping because they're used to slappy hands from last season

as if that meant something after they nerfed slappy hands

[drifting glade]

Sometimes I still hit my spell block key when I'm taking spells and get upset

I sympathize

[steel onyx]

Can I reflect multiple casts at once if they are synced

[drifting glade]

yes

[steel onyx]

Ok thanks

[drifting glade]

First good example that comes to mind is the imps on second boss hoa

[steel onyx]

Oh

Good to know

[cunning tide]

What WA is this?

[keen star]

looks like this one https://wago.io/QW5HlTuDb

[restive fulcrum]

what's the practicality of running Immovable Object as thane?

[prime sphinx]

lose damage

naaah

[elfin elk]

25k haste enough to run Into the Fray?

[jagged pier]

[velvet knot]

This is garbage right?

[scarlet vault]

Do i always press shield slam over thunder blast and thunder clap in aoe. When shield slam is ready and jsut press the rest after?

[trim island]

thunder blast is better in big pulls

[scarlet vault]

how many targets?

[blazing condor]

probably says in the guides

[velvet knot]

3-4+

but press thunder clap anyway

Both will be on cooldown enough that you can do both.

But obviously prio your globals for clap/blast if 3+ targets

If you're 1-3 targets prio slam

Thunder clap does 150k damage for me.
Shield slam does 470k.

So at 3+ targets clap becomes better.

[polar patio]

4+

if you can do math correclty

[velvet knot]

honestly yeah 4

[polar patio]

3x150 is not 470

[velvet knot]

its 450 which is close enough

But if we're minmaxxing yeah 4

[twilit trail]

Hey, I have an issue,
Avatar is generating 9 rage instead of 10, which prevents me to macro Charge + Avatar + Shield Block as I only get 29 rage and thus Shield Block isn't casted

[velvet knot]

you lose rage out of combat

Avatar generates 10 rage but you lose 1 rage straight away due to not being in combat.

[twilit trail]

Maybe I should add Taunt or Heroic Throw to the macro then?

[velvet knot]

Perhaps. Even charging a target from out of combat will lose you 2 rage depending on the range of the charge.

It's best to always heroic throw before a charge to minimize rage loss.

If you're concerned about that.

Personally I don't care and just smash all the buttons and get on with it.

[twilit trail]

I tested and Shield Block is still not casted 🙁

Ok its because I'm against target dummies

[velvet knot]

Yes.

Crystalmaw doesn't put you in combat for some reason.

Try kelpfist

I just did taunt charge avatar shield block in 1 global.

[twilit trail]

With or without Heroic Throw first?

[velvet knot]

Without

Taunt will put you in combat.

Weird macro but if that's how you wanna play go for it 🫡

[twilit trail]

I'm noob so maybe the macro isn't good practice?

[velvet knot]

Avatar is essentially a third shield wall in a pinch so you don't typically want to waste it willy nilly with a macro.

You either use it to go ham on damage, remove a snare, or survive something big

[twilit trail]

I made it based on openers written in guides

[velvet knot]

Yeah that's pretty standard.

But it's not a rule of thumb.

You won't always have those up every pull so you need to pick and choose and plan which pulls you'll want cds for

[twilit trail]

I still have separated buttons for Charge, SB and Avatar

[velvet knot]

Oh yeah thats good

If you like the macro and you think it works for you go for it.

[twilit trail]

Did you test with taunt?

or without

Cause even on Kelpfist I don't get the SB

[velvet knot]

/cast taunt
/cast charge
/cast avatar
/cast Shield Block```

Worked for me

[twilit trail]

yeah with taunt because we instantly get in combat

[velvet knot]

Mhm!

Otherwise you lose that 1-2 rage

[twilit trail]

yeah and SB doesn't go

Not sure if I prefer to macro with Heroic Throw or Taunt tho

[velvet knot]

You'll need to press it twice i think

[twilit trail]

ah ok maybe that's it

[velvet knot]

so just double tap it

[twilit trail]

Or just remove SB and press the regular button

[velvet knot]

that too

my charge macro allows me to mouseover party members and cast intervene if i need to

[twilit trail]

I used to have it but I removed it since we don't talent Intervene

[velvet knot]

Jokes on them. I haven't run intervene in years.

its only really good when you have a co-tank to intervene on

or pvp

[twilit trail]

You can even add ravager to the macro

/cast [@cursor,known:228920] Ravager

[velvet knot]

don't we take whirling blades?

[twilit trail]

For Colossus players

[velvet knot]

even on colossus i take whriling

[trim island]

I'd take whirling even with less uptime

it's just so much comfier

[velvet knot]

^

back in season 1 i used this macro alot.

#showtooltip
/castsequence [@player] Ravager, Champion's Spear

[twilit trail]

Yeah, having less keybinds is great QoL

[velvet knot]

or i'd replace spear with thunderous roar

for example

or if you wanna be really cheeky

you could cast sequence all 3

sounds like overkill tho

[twilit trail]

In guides you send everything, but in reality you hold some CDs for the next pack?

[velvet knot]

who would win. 3 capstone talents or 1 demolish boi

and thats only a 5 stacks demolish

God champions spear is so bad

[civic moon]

guys whatt talent build r we running

[velvet knot]

check wowhead

[olive scaffold]

which hero talent you guys run got 2/2 tier

[civic moon]

thane or colossus tho

[velvet knot]

colossus before tier. Thane once you have tier

thane is slightly ahead but both work

[trim island]

colossus is cool-ossus

[velvet knot]

i prefer colossus because demolish

BIG DAM

[civic moon]

aitt th x

[proud cosmos]

i was wondering if the stat priority would shift from crit to vers?

[twilit trail]

Details doesn't take into account the damage you get from 25% bonus crit.
But even with that, I think it's still inferior

[trim island]

dragon roar is just more fun and usable I find anyway

good snap aggro on pretty much every pull

[velvet knot]

roar is great

low cd

Roar with avatar, demo shout and demolish fucks hard

thats like what 60% bonus damage?

[hardy snow]

You dont take spear just for its direct dmg

[main arrow]

guys what too craft

as first item 😄

[steel onyx]

Shield is recommended but if you are already able to finish your 10s its probably best to wait for your first vault

[main arrow]

k

[keen star]

I crafted sword and I didn't regret, I'm always full HP in +10s with just a 701 shield and in heroic raid the extra dps helped on boss kills

[velvet knot]

You don't take spear*

Fixed it for you

I love padding interrupts

[keen star]

that's the affix orbs right

[velvet knot]

100% it's the affix orbs

No one else was doing them so i rotated between shockwave and disrupting shout

[rough egret]

Screw that party

[keen star]

one time I forgot to change talents and I went into ara +10 with a full colossus ST build and zero utility

I was so lucky that those good people played orbs and did interrupts

at the end boss I got hit by the suck three times and I got knocked off the boss platform but thankfully it didn't reset

I tilted so hard during that run

still timed ez

[stark hill]

is it worth to wear 2p-2p now for us?

[main arrow]

depends what u have

[stark hill]

currently have hero hands and head.. hands have bis stats for us

[steel onyx]

Tbh I don't really understand why shield is recommended and not the sword

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto

https://tenor.com/view/death-fight-john-wick-cqc-gun-gif-5738494

[steel onyx]

Wrong discord?

[waxen frigate]

Nah

[rigid hull]

i never want to play with BSV it always makes me play worse

u guys feel the same thing?

[civic moon]

is this a good trinket

[steel onyx]

Great for single target as long as you keep the uptime on the damage proc

[fluid widget]

Armor is living and damage

[copper gale]

Is prot APL broken on raid bots? Anyone to tell?

I’ve tried running sims for past 10 hrs all errored out

[prime sphinx]

u probs stil have the custom part of tome of lights devotion that was needed before

remove everything from custom

[trim island]

any trinkets that are particularly good for m+ aoe then?

pacemaker and something else with bulk stats?

[round pendant]

I love ret discord proving once again that the paladin discord is the worst of all the class discords

icant

[trim island]

how dare blizzard not give them a 40% buff!

[civic moon]

guys

does +8 drop the highest ilvl gear or +10

[neon elk]

Tome is great overal in m+ not just for pure ST, u just need to keep it in sword mode for as long as possible ( its quite ez to have 80%+ uptime )

[trim island]

I have a tome, but I like trinkets I can just macro to avatar and forget about

[main arrow]

since the first Boss is drpping 1 handed wep isnt its better too craft shield ?

[little depot]

Does anyone have a weak aura for the tome so I can just camp dps mode?

[shrewd grove]

Bro wait. Ret is still closed bc a 5% aura buff isn't enough for them? Lmaoooooo

Absolute clowns

[buoyant sparrow]

Without having any tier. It’s still ok to run Col for M+ right? Like I’m not gimping myself on damage

[trim island]

the whole crybaby post is on Reddit "blizzard isn't listening to the community and their actions day that nobody should play ret"

it's pretty funny

[idle copper]

https://wago.io/JfpsG2Qpd/16

[shrewd grove]

Absolutely insane behavior

[idle copper]

I adjusted a different one that says Trinket when you need to pop it but youll need to make your own sound file

!WA:2!1r1tVTrruCBSqvDfiLMdHGbHw1aH0uPOqGgk)razDTjPYjoSEttIuKwp7oZ6DO7oZ0zMnjUNqwOkoWP8rWxlWbFGRiLRCzKfFc6nUMpb8gVUOIezVSZ8MFZ79M3VFVx1wZNppEE8p9HsEHoJYiYohe0EN9AobvOt5YocnLZuoYbDssue92Fd9N)ZFOsLxBmIfdNVpNY0rnAUxqtFHlMQezObbKZ1HjCzoshkc10CYSDvfZfxO08ClIdeyKM4toLW0VaIghaqJpKI1PEBbBLO4PXEtFLgj1jsmpmJZf9gclu8cgU3Lt)fkjccs)6wa9Z4N1ZFQzPBzSgvcsG0PIL2HPjYeum5KTW4om1jnMI5KajL9yIETCXh7rzuTtuc8tL6mulP97tKQ3Bz5SL)UNEGG4JkKOnEHQiA6lOBrsc98XHn2QBqy3GT8dK8ZyDyzd6zUz02euMo1NHYjkNHkbjlBhSY5QcfP55W7SBPLEEfqSJS1qI8FD9(sc4A)U73SD7lTrD69Pyv9Op5ER)PRV5imjccFaKvYTB2E)wh0(Ic2SS1zzZB)mZDmRAQ7r1K8j9jaltJ7MYpRdBSA6pFccpWCtXIn48mmK4U7l59LeLYDLDGlDNH2RUhK(lw7OFvCliVd)p(P3LwtVeupZsM33CxhXTSC4PKGYuzxoM8lveVZ)RmPCHVvTGflF9kPmsFu8GWeqkitVaXOwzdNTP5nBbVqgNrUKGuKUAjH1xNEJjyOIzreAznPIeZzy1qlgBbZCFVCeL9it9ib8EjAZxAUV5ZnFH5RIIaHtmX8z3W8wGVbZWk7jacVeotlMRLK(u3VRaHHqGCdcgbCMpPVv2wFbt9jW2iu8J7lTsqVmoc)SREzHI8KcQGG75hNHuQf8ZlY0uNlShZaExMgPrza9VG5BDgzTgZZJq6EEa9hBno(v8sDlV4POpLypzOn76cB(GjQueWNhv29wBKCAYzF4EAO2EHIKLu2d71jiOZUZWFCj(3TYiq5rWtBk)X3qS01tlqXlMQaFxB8RasS4QR6EGI4kKuUCGRUSnZD1vf3969fEa0OqJd1PaJKccYbYZNn(5pwPY0p53d9T0KbETB2kyKMhdfmB0xS6VD(TPyXCRVUBqN2pWDwJT7gfu84hS7wDF4kX(NIFY4ejiubvcqC1UQCywlRjBTjQBd)Mn3B4zCj(qjsm8WzlIaXtcTVZvu7Cegk7rLH95(X8mU8H12(R)7JpgMpwPATXLLYgtpOA1Q1gzvE0Y5PJPSY3mSZrC7RVwKZH5BWCYEZRIU3ABS(AF08N(xh9p)

[little depot]

ty

[trim island]

genuinely unhinged from ret. not surprised tho

[gusty horizon]

at what point would you guys drop s2 4-piece and just go for itemlevel?

[idle copper]

4pc - 4pc

[gusty horizon]

oof

[trim island]

just vibe it out brother

numbers are meaningless

warriors can't count anyway

[idle copper]

thats been the repeated message on here anyways

[gusty horizon]

true

could go 2p2p

[idle copper]

im pretty sure its the 4pc that is goldly though

godly*

[gusty horizon]

yes im afraid youre right 😄

[steel onyx]

-# sim it

[little depot]

2pc>4pc is like 25% st

[steel onyx]

5 target vs single target on Bloodmallet

[lyric loom]

should i play colossus until i get 4 pc and go to mt? i don't have any tier pieces, i didnt play in s2

[shrewd grove]

If you're confident in your ability to swap to MT effectively (and not continue to revenge spam) after getting 4pc, Colossus is more damage with no tier

That said, they're close enough that you can just MT the whole time if you want

There's no world where being MT instead of Col (without tier) is going to prevent you from timing a key this season

[zenith cosmos]

I got this from ulduar while doing the skip run, tried it in a +10 (first on this alt for the season) and it had 30% uptime, this seems very strong then, but I can't confirm as it doesn't show prevented dmg on the meters

Is this correct, or am I overinflating its usefulness?

[lyric loom]

ahh okay. idk feels like colussis is slightly less apm, im fairly new to tanking still and so less stuff to rpess allows me to focus a bit more i guess on the route and what im pulling

[trim island]

I have to press my 2 button so much on colossus

satisfying press though with 10 stacks of might

[round pendant]

I had a ret in my m+ and he absolutely pumped yesterday

dunno what their problem is

it was more about raid right?

[frigid valley]

This is basically a vers stick trinket with no effect

[raw parcel]

I'm going to miss colossus when I gotta swap.

[cerulean olive]

have to say that playing thane is the most low iq shit ever, spam ignore pain, shield slam and thunderclap

[raw parcel]

But everyone is saying MT is the winner, so gotta listen to everyone and do it.

Though I'm super tempted to run FBV anyway, I've been trying to talk myself into it for like two years now and it's been buffed such that it's pretty good now, right? Right?

[clever arch]

Hey Guys started tanking, can someone suggest some good routes for s3, for higher keys not for pug only? Since last season most routes got dh meld skips etc i feel kinda lost as prot warri now. Keystone guru routes seem kinda weird. Kiratank sadly got them behind paywall, can someone suggest any other ressource?
thx in advance

[raw parcel]

Keystone guru is what I use, at least as a starting point.

Some of the routes do seem a bit wonky, admittedly, but some are very approachable and intuitive.

[clever arch]

i used keystone guru routes and got flamed often for what shit route i take xD

[frigid valley]

raiderio under your favorite tank you can alot of times just check their route under the tab

[raw parcel]

Yeah, people do that. People are idiots. As a tank one has to learn to treat pug groupmates as barely functional, impolite robots.

[clever arch]

ah nice hint, u may got some suggestion for players that i can follow?

[hearty cipher]

I've just been following the routes on threechest and adapting to my needs, has been working pretty well

[raw parcel]

Ooh, shit, that is useful. Thanks.

[clever arch]

yeah no worry i got big mental, played league for 10 years 😂

[frigid valley]

just look up a couple in somewhat reasonable range of you and look what they have in common and what they differ

[raw parcel]

Granted, keep in mind the route the top tank is using might not necessarily work for us lesser tanks.

[clever arch]

okay thx

[raw parcel]

So just want some second and third opinions here... is Streets anyone else's least favorite dungeon? I hate that place.

[hearty cipher]

I've been avoiding streets and changing my keystone everytime I get it

[raw parcel]

I like almost all of the dungeons this rotation, though, so can't complain too much.

[trim island]

I know I'm in the minority but my dawn breakers are always chaotic. pugs get very lost

[hearty cipher]

they always struggle to follow so I try to do routes with pugs where they don't have to fly much

[zenith cosmos]

this, the less flying the less they fuck up

Fly to miniboss = people land in AOE of some kind, or extra packs

[mossy isle]

Hello dear wars, do we know how much % the 4p give ?

The only excel i found wasn't with the war in it

[zenith cosmos]

Something around 40% I believe

[mossy isle]

nah ur joking me xd

no shit it gives 40%

[zenith cosmos]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vR2mvnqtoXNlUoL-WvrwYdXfzAVULMSx82oKrGCj4z6XhEabUl8EtqoFLnAD4q4bNUTgE8tVP0-oJ9W/pubhtml#gid=853763455

[mossy isle]

❤️

[zenith cosmos]

idk if it has tanks in it

[mossy isle]

Oh no it doesn't have tank ):

[zenith cosmos]

but i heard for prot it was around 40%

[mossy isle]

but those one are around 3 to 5 %

40% seems so overpowered

[lyric loom]

so with tome trinket, i noticed the trinket is on the 1min cd sometimes and I am in inner resilience due to getting the stacks so fast, is that normal? i try to stay in the dps mode the best i can

[undone beacon]

It does in the Top Tables tab

[mint shadow]

novice question. whats the best way to gather a big pack like at the start of priory where you're pulling 3 packs packs over a long distance into the first mini boss? stay mounted as long as possible? walk into and clap first pack and then heroic leap? seems like group lags behind often with issues with healer aggro

[undone beacon]

Yes, you get hit a lot in dungeons so the tome can swap fast. It’s about optimizing sword uptime, you’ll never have 100% sword

[undone beacon]

Clap, roar, aoe taunt. We can cover large distances quickly with leap/charge/SC. pick up stragglers with taunt and heroic throw

[wicked jungle]

Finally, 4p gang (even tho my main still have 3 pieces smh). What are the major changes in playstyle as MT?

[undone beacon]

Less revenge, more IP and thunderclap

[round pendant]

the fuck

4p->4p is 40% dps increase?

[undone beacon]

Thane tier go brrrr

[round pendant]

that's so goofy

[fluid linden]

how far behind thane is Colossus? I realy liek that self sustain

[round pendant]

very

[undone beacon]

I refuse to answer because of that travesty of a pfp sorry

[fluid linden]

True

[undone beacon]

But in all honesty, it’s fine. You lose considerable damage but you’re not like, completely inting a dungeon over it

In raid though it’s actually trolling

[round pendant]

are those sims st btw?

[undone beacon]

Yeah

[round pendant]

jesus I need to get tier

but I cba raiding to just probably not even get the drop

[undone beacon]

I did nearly triple the dps of our VDH on heroic Soulbinder

Idk if that’s a thane thing or a him struggling thing or a mix of both

[shrewd grove]

Banned from pally discord for pointing out that all the data they're posting is cropped to make Ret seem like the worst dps when there are multiple specs under them. Or they post a cropped screenshot from a log and then it turns out its a normal Plex kill, as if that is relevant data

Lmao

[round pendant]

They're soying out over week 1 numbers

[shrewd grove]

Not even. They're soying out over fake week 1 numbers that they have to actively manipulate so it looks like they're worse than they are. It's an absolute circus lol

Posting 95th percentile DPS rankings for normal and then cropping any specs that are below Ret out of the picture "because they aren't relevant"

[round pendant]

This is just the meta in gaming nowadays

in every game

Tekken legitimately got ruined by it

People complaining about other characters being too op, theirs being too weak

changes actually get made cause bandai namco listen to twitter for some reason

game falls apart

[shrewd grove]

I feel like this is insane even for the standard whiny baby shit that happens. Honestly, this is why I just run pwarr. This discord is just like "Can we still zug? Nice"

Sometimes we zug more, sometimes less, but always zug

[round pendant]

Social media was a mistake

[shrewd grove]

True lol

[round pendant]

They should be happy they're not on top week 1 lmao

that way they'll get buffed while the ones on top get nerfed

[valid heart]

Hi guys! How big is the new 2p? I am currently only running the old 2p

[shrewd grove]

Don't tell them that. You'll get banned for not supporting the narrative lmao

[azure ivy]

Hello friends
I was just wondering if you guys could help me out
I am 690 ilvl but still with old 4 pc
I ran an 11 floodgate last night
In the opening pull, I was legitimately doing like 10 million DPS overall
And I was still losing aggro, I am having a very hard time holding aggro, and I’m not sure what else to do.
Is this an issue for everybody?
Am I just bad and I need to git gud, like I’ll go in do everything necessary to grab Agro of an entire pack and halfway through the pack I’m losing threat
This is my first season playing protection since vault of the incarnates.
I would appreciate any feedback

[undone beacon]

If you only have the old 2pc and not 4pc then running 2/2 is fine. Honestly might be worth dropping old 2 for new 2 if that’s the situation you’re in but the best way to know for sure is to sim it!

[undone beacon]

It helps if you have a log!

Also was there a shaman in the group?

[raw parcel]

On one hand, that's wretched.

..on the other, if we do that will they buff us so we can dunk on those shit eating Illidan cosplay sons of bitches for ONE SEASON?

[valid heart]

Mhm I will! But based on your responce, it seems like it is actually our 4p which is big and 2 piece

[solid sun]

@undone beacon what have you spent gilded on?

So far I've only spent on a crafted shield

[supple sonnet]

how much haste is enough?

[undone beacon]

The 4PC def sends thane into overdrive, ye!

[undone beacon]

Literally just a crafted shield and then holding the extra 30 for next week

[solid sun]

I was thinking about doing that but I also could upgrade my tome

[undone beacon]

On my Druid I accidentally spent 15 on pants because all the crests look the same but alas

[meager elbow]

guys i got a hero shield from the vault (nothing better) should i craft a weap? (still have veteran one...)

[solid sun]

Are you holding the crests below gilded? i cba remembering all the names

[azure ivy]

I really need to start logging these keys, but after that pull, the pres evoker died and left the key.
The group was me, fury war, ret paladin, pres, windwalker

[undone beacon]

Gamble on vault before using the 30 is my rec

[undone beacon]

Nah I’m just sending those on gear from 10s, since they come 3/6 hero

[solid sun]

bet

[undone beacon]

Hmm. Yeah then without a log it’s hard to tell. I ask about shaman because if they pop their earth ele as a defensive it’ll taunt the whole pack off of you

Drives me nuts

[valid heart]

Mhm, on this topic. If you only care about pushing keys in like 6 weeks, would it not be better to craft wrist and then pray for Shield in vault?

I ofc understand if you want to raid that shield is better for early power, but +10s are so easy and I care only about pushing in the future

[azure ivy]

Dam, okay I’ll try to log from now on.

[supple sonnet]

hey guys how much haste should we aiming ?

[azure ivy]

I was having a hard time holding aggro with an aff lock in multiple groups too, it’s like I have all the aggro and the once they are done ramping it seems like I lose it all.

[undone beacon]

In six weeks you’ll have 6 vaults worth of gear and 540 gildeds to work with. We recommend shield as an early craft because it’s a huge power boost, but if you want to gamble on vault shield then you can craft something else for sure. I’d opt for a weapon over wrists just to make weekly keys that much faster but

Ideally everything gets replaced with myth by season end but

If you’re not trying to optimize for early season keys or raid then send it how you wanna send it tbh

[valid heart]

Mhm... my only Fear is that i hate myself for wasting a craft on shield/wep while wrist with embelishment will be likely BIS

Thanks for your input! Ill consider it a little

[lyric loom]

ok cool thanks

[rough egret]

Next week will be huge power gain

[valid heart]

Last (imposible) question. How do people feel about meta tank for this season?

[rough egret]

Wdym

[valid heart]

Meta m+ tank

[undone beacon]

I wouldn’t stress this hard about gear my friend. Take what makes numbie go up and enjoy slamming people with a shield :)

If you craft unoptimally, c’est la vie

[valid heart]

Haha, will do 😊

[narrow jay]

Anyone else find that with new 4 set you get so many thunderblasts you barely have time to execute 😅 before 4 set i was running sudden death cause I loved slamming those free execute procs now I feel like a barely have time to hit them. Would it be worth swapping out sudden death for the 25% bleed dmg increase?

[azure crag]

20k is the minimum for into the fray, right? But 25k is the recommended amount? Haste, I mean

[undone beacon]

The recommended build for thane in m+ runs instigator over SD/bloodborne! the bleed damage increase was found to not be worth for thane

[azure ivy]

Does that mean that spear is being ran over roar?

[undone beacon]

Either or. Roar for more gathering and consistent damage, spear for bigger burst windows

[narrow jay]

I'm already running instigator as well so I'll find something else to take or just keep sudden death to pump the bosses

[undone beacon]

Personally, I like SD but I agree there can be a ton of procs to get through!

[azure crag]

The four piece is so much fun, I almost got more lightning than an enhancement shaman
almost

[undone beacon]

Sometimes you get lucky and can slam like three thunder blasts back to back

It is satisfying

Almost as satisfying as getting drive-by rips on DotC guardian in keys heheh

[wide charm]

I really hate that the 2k thing this season was just another cata

[civic kiln]

21k or thereabouts

if I'm wrong you'll find out the right answer

[wide charm]

I'm sitting here unable to get 4pc because I haven't had a helm drop to cata.....
Running gambit and dawn over and over
Really wish you could just buy the tier directly from a vendor like in previous seasons

[azure crag]

Yeah, the change to give you JUST a catalyst charge instead of buying a full piece of gear was one of those blizzard decisions...

[undone beacon]

Enshittification of our KSM smh

Least we can ride purple rashanan now

[azure crag]

oh right, I haven't looked at the mount we got for ksm this time

[undone beacon]

Purple rashanan

[azure crag]

OH GOD

That does not look safe to ride

[undone beacon]

It’s a good little void monster

[azure crag]

can't even see my tiny lil gnome on it

[undone beacon]

Your gnome has become the void flyer

Like a fucked up druid

[azure crag]

oh, and it runs by hopping. That's unsettling and hilarious LOL

[fringe igloo]

hello guys, maybe you already answer this but what is the first crafting we should get?

[undone beacon]

Recommended to craft a shield or wait for vault to gamble on myth shield

If you get a shield, then wep

Otherwise, shield

[fringe igloo]

thank you

[azure crag]

praying my first vault isn't a shield, cause I did just let it rip and crafted a shield

[late trellis]

Where can I find guidance on breakpoints? (i.e. where I should stop) For vengeance we would stop at about 20.5k haste and at a certain point in crit, prot pal around 11.8k mastery, trying to see if I can find something else for prot warrior?

[undone beacon]

That’s why you do 8 10s and have three options habibi

[late trellis]

Like I have 24.8k haste but not sure where I should be stopping on haste before statting towards crit/vers

[undone beacon]

The only breakpoint that matters is enough haste to swap from Heavy Repercussions to Into the Fray. At 24.8k, ITF would be the play

Prot doesn’t really have breakpoints to hit, we just like stats

[azure crag]

This is true...But I am very scared
My first 10 didn't go super well this season

[undone beacon]

As we always recommend, sim it

[undone beacon]

10s have been a gamble. I’ve had them go smooth as butter and then had healers that can’t heal and dps pulling tank numbers so

[azure crag]

Also, now that I think about it, I have an additional question.
Since gnomes get 1% haste for free, does that mean their haste breakpoint is lower?

[undone beacon]

Also a frustrating amount of DKs gripping packs I’m not ready for

[azure ivy]

I’ve had this reoccurring issue where the DPS decide to pull for me

[undone beacon]

Literally

[azure ivy]

Then they fuck up the whole pull

I don’t wanna become an elitist tank and be that asshole but sometimes I just wanna disband the group and it’s my KEY lol

[undone beacon]

It’s everyone who was 3k last season showing up thinking they’re gods amongst men on their mm hunters

Hunters and DKs man, they pull what they want

[azure crag]

lotta fotm rerolls to frost.
Lotta very unfortunate pulls because they wanna do big numbers
I never trust the current best specs in the game because of it

[undone beacon]

I’m duty bound to not let them die but fuck me

I stopped inviting arcane mages last season because of that. Too many FotM who didn’t know how to play the spec

[azure ivy]

I’ve become Ivan Drago
If a DPS pulls or has “friends coming” because they took the wrong route to get back to the group

If he dies, he dies

[toxic pewter]

anyone here tanked forgeweaver on heroic... any tips on how to do the pylons with the adds

like 2 adds spawn that have to be tanked... each tank grabs one but like where do I tank it at

[undone beacon]

Between the charging pylons and the middle

They’ll soak the damage from pylon energy filling

[rigid hull]

@jagged pier

what u think good overall?

11 floodgate

without 4 set

[jagged pier]

[viral jackal]

If I can only craft either a weapon or shield to maximize Prot damage - am I better off going weapon?

Both weapon and shield currently 691

[viral jackal]

Beam will come out a little after the adds.

Tank add in between middle beacon and the collector. Make sure add gets hit by beam, it’ll melt

[acoustic moon]

I made a crafted shield at 691 with haste and crit but I just got a champ 4/8 shield drop but it has mast vers do you think its worth sticking with the crit haste crafted or swap to the mast vers shield because it can be upgraded

[naive panther]

why does my dps go down while simming aoe target count, when I take bsv off and put it into shield charge? Shield charge is a dps loss to take? makes no sense unless from a dps standpoint it really isn't worth pressing in 6 targets.

[mellow bridge]

can you link the sim? sounds like something is off

also please always pick shield charge

[heady osprey]

all the top mythic + runs have been done with a pot warrior

we meta?

[naive panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3bfxNuYj9qv34EWFuHjExc

@mellow bridge

I was just trying things out to get specific talents i wanted

the no shield but end was the one I was thinking of running

keeps bsv

just any sim I have shield charge in ends up a lot lower for some reason

maybe someone else can try simming and drop that point to see what happens

no way this is correct https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/72rHBrsV5P5iWY1MvwhPHi

[mellow bridge]

def sims as a dps loss for me but i simmed as colossus

might be some thane fuckery?

[naive panther]

is it pure defesnsive sim

[mellow bridge]

@strong forum check

[naive panther]

I mean I am spamming buttons with 4pc as thane

so all I can think is my other buttons are mo betta

[peak bobcat]

hey guys,
quick question:
is Miniscule Mailemental in an Envelope trinket a sim trap or why isn't it listed in wowhead guide?
sims almost as high as tome in singletarget

[waxen frigate]

I recall it being bait or something along those lines in shadowlands

Or like not proccing like it did in sims on live or something

[frigid valley]

this is why i dont invite rogues no more

[cursive needle]

Are you guys converting champion pieces for tier?

[pale badge]

nah

but i suppose the answer is dependant on your access to heroic

i can run M+ easy for hero pieces

[cursive needle]

I feel like everyone is having fun with thane, and im over here with 1 piece lol. Ive done 6 10s and countless 6s. Maybe im just unlucky

[pale badge]

I'm still having fun with colossus 1 piece too truthfully

[cursive needle]

feelsbadman

[pale badge]

dps isn't silly, but it's not awful. 11 DB

feels good enough that i'm not doomin yet

Uh question regarding than talents. Do we really thing Massacre > Enduring Alacrity in m+?

heavy handed + massacre just the king there?

[jagged gust]

think? We don't think. We sim!

[pale badge]

fair enough

[frosty mango]

Decays very slowly so doesn’t really matter

[frigid valley]

decays slowly ~~ or not decay at all

[jagged gust]

You can never convince me spending 5-10 seconds killing 1-2 mobs so the rogue can restealth will ever be worth it

[pale badge]

I love when they beg me not to chain pull

like, cmon. You are 1/5 the group. there's no way that's faster

[azure crag]

would it be fair to say that 660 haste rating is equivalent to 1% haste?
Or does the value of the rating change as it goes up?

[jagged gust]

Like if I chainpull the entire dungeon and you parse a 99 for a 12, you're gonna try to tell me that the chainpull was the wrong choice?

gtfo

[solid sun]

Why would you need to know how much rating is equivalent to a percent

[mighty valley]

I don’t remember the exact number but it’s consistent until the diminishing returns

[solid sun]

Earnest question not tryna be a dick

[azure crag]

Mostly just trying to figure out if my gnome has enough haste to run into the fray, cause she gets a free 1% haste

[jagged gust]

there should be a wowwiki article that's still accurate for secondary ratings

[solid sun]

If you’re cutting it that close I’d just run HR to be safe until I got another drop

Unless the percent is already showing in your stat rating

[azure crag]

it doesn't show up in my stat rating, it's just a free 1% flat haste

[solid sun]

How much rating are you at now

[mighty valley]

Try it out, see how it goes

[azure crag]

20003

[jagged gust]

oh you're over the limit

[solid sun]

Oh well that’s fine

Silly goose

[frigid valley]

isnt first dr at like 21400?

[azure crag]

Oh, she's already good?
Nice

[jagged gust]

we're not worried about the dr

[frigid valley]

oh itf

[mighty valley]

It might not be enough since tier doesn’t do shit for sb this season but try it out

[frigid valley]

missed the most important line of text

[jagged gust]

and dr for everything but mastery is 30% for the first tier

18k haste will get you to 1 second of dropped SB per 45s, anything past that is just gravy

and at that point just haste flask

alchemical chaos is a silly, silly flask

[solid sun]

Trying to skip the last mini boss of streets is so funny

We failed three times in this ten and our healer is still confident it was faster than wiping to the mob instead

[mighty valley]

Are the nerfs in yet

[frigid valley]

dungeon nerfs? yes

[upper ice]

geez Tazavesh got nerfed 3 ways to sunday

[solid sun]

Still sucks

[mighty valley]

Back in my day we had 20 boss dungeons and we liked it

[solid sun]

We had 2 minutes left in a 10 going into the second to last boss but in priory we missed the timer by one silly wipe

[mighty valley]

Now you kids cry when there are five bosses

[solid sun]

Some of that is obviously on my dps players being a bit behind but it was noticeably harder than priory even after nerfs. For us anyways

[upper ice]

my 658 S2 tier gear is crying to be replaced by the 691 sitting in my bags, but I just can't do it

[mighty valley]

Yeah… almost wish they’d just turn off previous season tier just so I could feel good about gear faster

but don’t actually wish that

[upper ice]

If they did it for everyone... honestly seems fair

I didn't play much S2 so I'm way behind everyone with myth S2 tier coming into it

[mighty valley]

Would just be weird for patch day to hit and we all feel weaker

I stopped before turbo boost so I was feeling a bit behind the curve too

[upper ice]

Yeah I never touched a dinar, etc

[wicked jungle]

Would you recommend crafting a shield? I already have 4p and it is not the main character I am playing

[upper ice]

Gonna sim swapping off tier, secretly praying it's like a 1% dps loss

Shield is 1st piece to craft right?

[wicked jungle]

However I might be doing HC splits next week

[upper ice]

Armored to the Teeth talent makes your shield give giga strength

[rose ermine]

can someone tell me if MT benefits at all from chaos brand

[upper ice]

nature dmg applies, yet

[mighty valley]

thunder blast is phys/nature both so yes

[mighty valley]

It’s the best craft for survivability especially in m+

[wicked jungle]

Mhm

[distant thicket]

DO WE PLAY MT OR DEMO SMASHHH

[strong forum]

is fucky on aoe cuz with shield charge youre more frequently above 70 rage causing the sim to use revenge a WHOLE lot more so it prioritizes revenge over shield slam

@mellow bridge

when as thane it would be better to fish for TB procs

good to know

[mellow bridge]

Is that what you'd do tho? If I was above 70 rage with SS I'd just do that and spend it on IP instead of revenjj

[buoyant harness]

whats the current status on the codex trinket? still terrible?

[jagged pier]

always

[lyric loom]

whats considered good SB uptime? obviously 100% is unrealistic but im around 84% lol. still learning

[jagged pier]

nah u can get higher

but we only care about blocked hits not uptime

[stark grail]

Any insight on why some are going crit haste and some are haste vers? Is it just preference

[strong forum]

used to be what you did

rn im too lazy to fix aoe sim

[rough egret]

Love it 🙂 im always surprised how big portion of dmg this is 😄
but probably as we get more strength and weapon dmg it will fall down a bit

[rigid hull]

anyone know how i can disable this

the dbm stuff

[vestal cove]

what ilevel are we replacing the disc belt?

[jagged pier]

[naive panther]

@strong forum so you think shield charge would still be a good pick, don't trust the sim? I'm swimming in rage right now, and non stop clap and shield slam. damage is nutty too, but I haven't really tried these other specs in dungeons yet, vs the basic one I was doing before.

[fluid linden]

anyone running Fueled by violence with thane?

[jagged pier]

nope because it doesnt buff bleeds

Brv is better

[warm plinth]

Whatever Sims the best

[strong forum]

yes, do not drop shield charge LOL

its block uptime

and more rage is always better

[jagged gust]

dammit

[naive panther]

yeah figured that would be the main aspect of it you wouldn't want to drop

thanks

[strong forum]

and it being a 45s CD stun

[jagged gust]

spent too long in paint

[strong forum]

which if you are aware of it, is REALLY useful

[hearty cipher]

I love shield charge, can't get enough of pressing that button

[warm plinth]

Paint?

[stoic skiff]

guys! anyones have wa on spell reflect? wa need show when enemy spells atack me

[jagged gust]

snipping tool doesn't work with hover over in talent builder, had to do it old school

[stoic skiff]

i have this Spell Reflect Essentials, but it show all spells. When i target, other players...

[round pendant]

I actually hate this game

just 4 pieces that I'm locked into s2 ilvls with

because I can't get 4pc

I might just swap out anyway who cares

[jagged gust]

That's the spirit

Fuck that low ilvl trash

[upper ice]

I was going to do the same.... but it's like a 5% dps loss, as well as shield uptime loss

[round pendant]

yeah it's really dumb

[jagged gust]

2p2p is the future, embrace it... for the next 3 days where you replace it with 4p anyways

[round pendant]

if I get lucky and get a tier piece from vault or as a drop from raid

[jagged gust]

you Will

I, Will, will it.

[mighty valley]

it’s week 1

we’re all gonna be alright

[warm plinth]

Are we though

[round pendant]

yeah week 1 and all the game drops me are tier slots

[meager elbow]

i got an hero shield from the vault (nothing better) and i'm thinking to craft a weapon and not a shield, bad idea?

[upper ice]

You can farm a hero weapon from m+
Technically vault should have been tier or socket

[meager elbow]

i got none of those sadly

in my vault

[upper ice]

you had a socket

[meager elbow]

i mean yeah socket i couldve

[round pendant]

I didn't play enough before reset so I only got 4 tokens lmao

[meager elbow]

shouldve

[round pendant]

effectively useless vault smoge

[jagged gust]

thats a bit of a trap though, you can spend quite a few weeks depending on how long you plan on farming before you're fully heroic

long term its the right choice

but sometimes you want immediate returns