protection

[fluid widget]

What about streets?

[frosty mango]

Streets will be the lowest timed imo. But halls still worse

[fluid widget]

Ah fair just in terms of misery

[frosty mango]

Streets isn’t hard to tank it’s just got a lot of dumb rp

[fluid widget]

Mortal strikes are silly

[frosty mango]

Halls is like anti-warrior dungeon

[fluid widget]

And bleeds suck

They need to make a dwarf potion

[frosty mango]

Mortal strikes ✅
Bleeds ✅
Stacking damage taken debuffs ✅
Tons of casters who don’t wanna move ✅
Archers who refuse to move and can’t be kicked ✅
Fixating mobs ✅
Pats everywhere ✅

My list could be longer I’m sure

[round pendant]

I swear

mobs are so tanky this season

it's kinda insanely boring

[undone beacon]

Its also the start of the season, people will pump more with gear and things will die faster

Didn't they reduce the scaling this season anyways?

[round pendant]

why does everything feel so incredibly slow then

[frosty mango]

It was fine on ptr

[frosty mango]

Prob bc your dps are sandbagging you

[round pendant]

a little I guess

[undone beacon]

Because its the start of the season and everyone is technically undergeared, plus people have inflated ilvl from turbo boost so you can get shitter dps super easy

[round pendant]

it didn't feel like this at the start of s1 or s2

idk

feels weird man

[vocal flame]

Yesssss

[frosty mango]

That shammy kinda throwing if he’s max geared but other than that those dps numbers look fine for this part of the season

[vocal flame]

Everyone is also gearing, itll get better

[frosty mango]

I haven’t had a boss take more than 4 mins yet so I’m not scared

Yam bringing the dps tho

[shrewd grove]

Crazy to have an ele with 3.5m overall when its clear you were omegapulling

DPS this season have been wildly unimpressive. Had a boomie in one of my priory runs yesterday at like 6m overall and I had forgotten DPS could pull those numbers. Keep getting people barely breaking 3-4mil

[undone beacon]

Turbo boost and its consequences have been a disaster for the M+ economy

[warm plinth]

@frosty mango so I found a spot that's not hard (for me) to get to that is safe

[lusty grotto]

It's week 1

Maybe wait a couple of weeks before making an assessment

Especially when specs could have been reworked

And gearing decisions vary from good to bad

[frosty mango]

Priory isn’t really a good judge of dps performance it’s gonna favor boomy and dk a lot

Tons of little turd non elites

[limpid ruin]

I disagree. All dps are bad and I hate them

Haven’t made up my mind about the healers

[lusty grotto]

True and real

[frosty mango]

My brain isn’t engaging right now bc I cut caffeine so explain

[warm plinth]

I got a clip, sec

[lusty grotto]

Hoooly

[warm plinth]

I'm changing the game of Tazavesh Streets rn

let me cook

[shrewd grove]

You get me

[lusty grotto]

Roid you say that as I'm sipping on my 4th coffee

[frosty mango]

Get your game on Bobby flay

[frosty mango]

So

I was drinking like 2 pots a day

And my doc said I need to chill

[lusty grotto]

Lmao

Tbh I only hit the pots at the office

Remote im way more chill

[frosty mango]

I drink black coffee iced

It goes down so easy

[jagged gust]

My mom's Icelandic, I swear her veins are more coffee than blood and she passed it on to me

[frosty mango]

Doc says sitting on my ass all day working and consuming all that caffeine is bad for me

Even tho I’m a serial hydrator

[neon elk]

True that , u should cut some of that working imho

[frosty mango]

I know right

[mighty valley]

my wife worked at starbucks in college, usually opening

so countered her lack of sleep with free access to the espresso spout

[frosty mango]

He thinks caffeine is the problem and I’m like bro I’m shackled to a computer 8 hours a day or I’ll be homeless and you think coffee is the problem here?

[mighty valley]

her withdrawal when she cut back was brutal lmao

[round pendant]

did they even add that dungeon leaver thing

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure I tried today and it wasn’t there

[warm plinth]

Ok watch the volume because apparently my mic is turned up way too loud, but here you go @frosty mango :

https://www.twitch.tv/dooteranopia/clip/FairCourageousTrollKAPOW-BmV7nUYxHm1mrvAg

[frosty mango]

lol I can’t view twitch on mobile

[vocal cave]

does forgeweaver phase into 2nd intermission too fast for anyone?

[rough egret]

Nice

[rough egret]

You need app

[frosty mango]

I refuse

[neon elk]

Ngl i heard something realy interesting around 0:17-18 mark xd

[warm plinth]

The short version is you just barely jump up, then you turn toward the top of the slope and jump toward it. Then you just tap w if you're not quite close enough so that the terrain nudges you closer

Did you?

[frosty mango]

It did for us on heroic, we saved lust for second one

[rough egret]

Skip is nice, but will take time untill you can expect pug ppl to follow it

[warm plinth]

Yeah but this is doable for sure; it's not even as difficult as the ML wall skip haha

[frosty mango]

We like skips

[warm plinth]

and obviously top groups will have no issue with it

[frosty mango]

Also can prob lock gate it

If it’s a jump skip

[warm plinth]

Yeah, perhaps. Just depends if it lets you place it there

[rough egret]

You need to jump on ledge

And from it you can click the “portal”

[frosty mango]

I’ve been trying to find wierd skips in eco dome by going right at start and lock gating up but haven’t found anything yet

[warm plinth]

Yeah you still jump on the ledge; you just don't go forward at the bottom. You turn and jump higher up the slope so that you're farther from him, which gives you a lot more leeway to not pull

[rough egret]

Cant wait blizzard makes the console unclickable untill you kill the mob 😄

[frosty mango]

That is some shit they’d do

[jagged gust]

was wondering if you can skip to G7 if you jump on top of the tent to the right and lock gate past the mites

[frigid valley]

Im happy

[frosty mango]

Gaming

I won’t get to do raid on war till this weekend and hoping some heroic pugs are out

[jagged gust]

week 1 heroic pug sounds painful

[frosty mango]

Even if we only do 2 bosses

Worth

[jagged gust]

Thats how I killed fyrakk back in df and it hurt my soul

[rough egret]

Ill actually try to pug raid too

[fluid widget]

I don’t know if I want to pug the second half of heroic if raid doesn’t get it don’t tonight

I think that sounds like pain

[rough egret]

Which one is first wall?

I only did lfr so far 😄

To try to fish for tier :/

Got only warband bow 😄

[fair beacon]

Heyo, question: a considerable number of pugs I have joined, when it comes to prot warriors, they seem to not take neither "Shield Specialization" nor "Last Stand", is that logical or just tryharding for more dps?

[rough egret]

Not taking Shield spec is dumb

Last stand you can skip for raid ST

[fluid widget]

Last stand is pretty terrible for raid

It’s only used to get thunderlord

Even in m+

[lofty glen]

this one fine?

[fluid widget]

Shield specialization I don’t get skipping though

[fair beacon]

hmmmm

tbh never even considered a day to come that I wont get last stand after all these years 😄

[fluid widget]

It’s a 30% heal and health increase in a 3m cd

Its depressingly weak

[jagged gust]

There are so many walls, it's even worse without comms

[fair beacon]

leaves a very old keybind empty 😄

on a side note, while many suggested spears for the raid and thunderous for the mythic+, despite going mountain thane I still find thunderous more effective and versatile for raids as well. how much more gain does the spear actually have in the raid?

[fluid widget]

It’s negligible

Spear is great for bursting CDs

But thunderous is great instant threat and doesn’t require positioning

[fair beacon]

how about the wrecking throw? some builds take it for the raid cuase there are a lotta shields

[fluid widget]

For the true value you can sim it but it shouldn’t be much

Unsure on that one, it’s amazing when it’s relevant but not definite what they’re giving up to get it

[fair beacon]

in my case imma be giving up my 5% speed and crackling thunder to get the pathing and the talent itself

[fluid widget]

For raid I could see that being worth it

[mighty valley]

didn't the last build yoda posted not take shield spec

that would explain the copycats

[hardy snow]

damn, this council fight on HC is pretty cool

[jagged gust]

speed talent doesn't stack with blasphemite gem fwiw

not really a loss

[fluid widget]

Checks out, yoda does whatever he wants regardless of if it’s good

[fair beacon]

uh ... blasphemite? the crit gem?

also am curious, where can I see this "yoda" build? 😄

[fluid widget]

He has a YouTube channel

Probably the best paladin tank for m+

[shrewd grove]

Notably not good on Prot Warr

[mighty valley]

well like

he does some of the highest keys possible on prot warrior

which kinda proves that you should stress less about talent choices and more about getting good at the game

and finding a good team

[neon elk]

Good team and general knowledge plays the biggest role imho

[woven radish]

Too often overlooked wisdom

[solid sun]

Another one outside of talents is when people agonize over stats even at the detriment of ilvl but then have no clue how certain things work in their spec or what the fight they’re about to do is or whatever else

Crazy

[fair beacon]

imma be honest, never knew that even existed! I took the 5% damage reduction for pvp, and the crit damage thingy for pve. so I should take this, and since it does not stack with that talent, never take the 5% speed?

[frigid valley]

soulbinderrs embrace seems rather bait, sure its a 1min cd but 3m dmg? thats nothing

[lusty coyote]

What are u guys playing without new tier, still Colos?

[noble stump]

Weird question, first season ill be maining Prot -- Are we crafting this week? or just holding out? Considering sending on bracers ( lowest peice rn) to 720 with the crit above 80%

[mighty valley]

yeah

[solid sun]

You have to provide more information

[mighty valley]

kinda depends on what you're doing, there's wisdom in holding out but also crafting a gilded shield will make the biggest difference in what you can survive the next couple of weeks

also, not a weird question, that's one of the most asked questions around this time haha

[noble stump]

Mainly raid, pushing keys as a side fun

main focus is raid for that matter

i have Hero 3/6 weapon/shield already

[solid sun]

Do you raid mythic

[noble stump]

Yes

[solid sun]

Killing second boss this week or next week

And when you do will anyone be contesting you for the shield drop

[noble stump]

Probably not lol - and No. if shield drops itll be mine 100%

well step into mythic probably 2 weeks from now

[solid sun]

Then the best item you can craft until you receive that shield is a max craft shield

[noble stump]

Fair point.

[solid sun]

It’s up to you to decide if that time frame is long enough to justify the craft

For me it is, but I’m a big believer in gaining character power early asap because it makes everything easier now

And also I’m not like some of the others here who piss excellence

I need help

[noble stump]

Fair point. Ill sit on it after Normal/Heroic tonight and see. Thanks man!

[mighty valley]

yeah the two decision points are

1. will this craft help me do content that's gonna be a struggle
2. will this craft make my brain produce gamer juice that makes me happy

we can't really determine 2 for anyone haha

[solid sun]

True that

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

u are refreshing

gottem

[lofty glen]

Cleared nhc and hc... didnt dropp any warry token

[fair beacon]

day 2 of trying to do the raid ... zero invites 😄

[solid sun]

Try to be refreshing like doot

[frosty mango]

This guy out here farming IO and karma

[warm plinth]

[solid sun]

Didn’t doot do almost nothing last season

[warm plinth]

I got 3k. But I only played the last like 2 1/2 months of the season

[frosty mango]

See you’re gonna be a 3k gamer week one this season

[solid sun]

What a turn around

Space patch got you blasting off

[fluid widget]

He’s good at operating a prot warrior but he isn’t a good prot warrior

And that’s cause of tank knowledge

[warm plinth]

Im pretty happy with the prog so far considering it'll be my first season maining tank the whole way through

[shrewd grove]

He's a good tank, and that translates. Watching him operate prot Warrior in keys and his pre-season limit tests is physically painful

[fluid widget]

Yeah

People just worship it like gospel without asking why

I personally find tackyks the best of generic tank content creators

[wild widget]

do we really craft shield before weapon as prot warrior? 😮

[lusty grotto]

no, its a meme

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

i dont know why that's so hard to believe lol

[solid sun]

The duality of man

[lusty grotto]

can i get my name back

im tired boss

[warm plinth]

It becomes easier to believe when you realize how many people think Ignore Pain is the primary mitigation tool of prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

lol that makes too much sense

[wild widget]

idk man i feel like it's the only class doing it so it's new to me :d

[solid sun]

Someone is about to reply to you asking “it isn’t?”

[lusty grotto]

do you play a lot of shield classes?

[wild widget]

nope 😄

i'm a BDK refugee

[warm plinth]

We block more than dk parries if that helps paint the picture

[wild widget]

My surprise here is that we aren't going after dmg stats on a weapon cause i don't feel like i need more tankyness right now

but i'll learn better and just blindly follow recommendation, crafting a 720 shield rn 🙂

[pallid yarrow]

Is 20k enough haste to play ITF? Currently running 2 pc new tier and 2 pc old tier

[warm plinth]

Yes

[solid sun]

Yes but in meme form

[pallid yarrow]

lol ty my dudes

[torpid dome]

Your dps is going to do the bulk of dmg anyways

With crafted shield ypu get to push higher keys faster than crafted weap imo

[solid sun]

I don’t think they meant anything negative towards you. I think it was most just a commentary on how it’s fairly common that it’s a surprise to people

[turbid yoke]

Any threeshold u shouldnt go under with vers =)? doing 12's atm 😄

[jagged gust]

-1

stack overflow is a dangerous thing

[restive fulcrum]

Curious, what's the damage taken difference with a 701 shield vs 720? Like how much more 'dr' is it vs the attack? Obviously varies based on different mobs but is there a ballpark of it?

[solid sun]

Bout tree fiddy

[solid sun]

We aren’t particularly concerned with vers. We primarily want ilvl and how much haste we have determines HR vs ITF

Well, how much haste and which set bonuses you have

[round pendant]

crest system is so ass

[buoyant sparrow]

ITF?

[frigid valley]

into the fray

[lusty grotto]

it determines that talent pick specifically because it greatly affects your shield block (SB) uptime, which is our maintainable defensive cd that has to be as close to 100% uptime as humanly possible

[prime kernel]

any1 know the uptime for this ?

[lusty grotto]

uptide?

[turbid yoke]

Alright, im atm 28% Crit, 45% haste and 11% Vers, i have new 4set, i could go down to 6% vers and i get up to 37% crit

[lusty grotto]

if you mean uptime, it doesnt matter, its garbage

[lusty grotto]

we need rating numbers

not percents

[turbid yoke]

21,4k crit
24K haste
2.6k vers

[lusty grotto]

haste rating specifically

what tier set are you currently wearing

s2?

[turbid yoke]

The new one

s3

[lusty grotto]

4pc?

[turbid yoke]

Yes

[prime kernel]

was wondering cuz thats my vault QQ

[lusty grotto]

youre fine with ITF

[turbid yoke]

So i was considering recraft shield with embel for vers and vers stats but not sure

[frigid valley]

holy flashbang

[lusty grotto]

you sim

cause you might want the crit one

but if the sim suggests the versa one, you go that one

so sim them

[frigid valley]

37% crit tho, and 50% uptime on pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

also for screenshots you can disable HDR

[frigid valley]

thats like 45+% crit half the time

[turbid yoke]

ah cheers!

Testing

[lusty grotto]

looks great now

[fluid widget]

I dunno missing 2 gems and an enchant

Jk it looks great and the gear is impressive

[twilit sentinel]

Hey guys, any suggestion for first craft as prot ? Shield or weapon?

[sudden palm]

Did you put any emblishments on the shield? And did you craft it haste vers? :D

[lusty grotto]

thats what we're discussing

[turbid yoke]

Right now its crafted with haste crit and embel with crit, so plan was if i should recraft but ill sim first

[lusty grotto]

you sim for the pick

you just dont go

vers

[jagged gust]

not worth the gold imo, I went the route of optimizing based on sims, but you're gaining a percent of a percent DPS and it may change with a singular piece of gear the next week

[sudden palm]

I mean the rest of my gear is so shit that each piece I change most definitely going to throw the sims off I think

[lusty grotto]

uhh no

thats not how sims work

[jagged gust]

you're going to prioritize haste and crit which will inevitably leave you with a mastery/vers deficit propping those values up. Save the gold and plan for the future

[fluid widget]

Eh

You don’t know what drops you’ll get

If you want to go that strategy look at 5p tier, boots and see what secondary stat totals will be if you really care. But realistically you can always recraft

[deft mortar]

lmao i can solo halls of attonement 10

up to 2nd boss

very slowly

the adds in 2nd boss may be a challenge

[jagged gust]

can confirm you can solo the final boss as well

[deft mortar]

yeah ez

[lament osprey]

How are yall getting gear wtf

I’m still 680 doing 10s

[azure crag]

I swear they changed the ara kara final boss lady.
It was so easy to jump out of her explosion last week, but this week, it feels like her grip comes at the last possible second

[jagged gust]

haven't noticed any changes myself

pretty lenient buffer

Are you watching for the hop?

[azure crag]

Yup

[jagged gust]

I did my last ak on tues, this like a super recent change you've noticed?

[mild river]

Guys, help me on tanking the dragon in tazavesh. The one that i need to aim to the adds. I sometimes miss some add. I'm having a hard time because idk if I can turn my back to the boss while he prepares to breath so I can aim it correctly

[azure crag]

recent, like
I did them last week, and it was very easy to jump out. Did the same yesterday and I just couldn't escape

I eventually just gave up and started using the pools

[waxen quartz]

2pc/2pc for mt m+?

[lusty grotto]

im not

[lusty grotto]

put it in the water facing towards adds

where she spawns

have your group be in its left side (your right)

then move him along the wall

[jagged gust]

gotta get lucky, our hunter jumped up like 7 ilvls yesterday, every chest and every heroic boss was a swish for the guy

[lusty grotto]

while they keep baiting fires on its left side (your right facing the boss)

[deft mortar]

Got a group, they summoned me, comp crashed, had to restaet

Was kicked

Hate this fkn game man

[lusty grotto]

lmk if that makes sense or if you need a handy paint

[jagged gust]

literally every hearthstone game I've started has crashed this week

blizz is running their servers on hamster wheels

[whole glade]

Tome on the first +10 of the season, feels good man

[lusty grotto]

ok dude

[prime sphinx]

love pugs

easy 5 millys with bad dpsers

[mild river]

And they are the ones asking for tank nerfs because they outdps me

[sharp merlin]

How are you doing so much dmg?

Thane with 4 set that strong?

[prime sphinx]

yeah its rly strong, like 3.5m avg in a 10 old tier, 4.5m with new tier

[sharp merlin]

Yeah I’m still using old 4pc

Should i switch to thane regardless?

[prime sphinx]

no

unless u wanna just play it for fun

its gapped by colo in aoe without new tier tho

[sharp merlin]

I can survive easy, issue is I wanna pump more and harder

I’m getting around 2.5->3m

I try to line up avatar with every demolish

But dunno, I must be doing something wrong

[prime sphinx]

i mean could be anything pull size etc whatever ur grp can handle

playing with guildys 99% of the time we on coms can go big

[neon elk]

Pull size and whole group dmg affects your overal a lot , but doing 2.5-3m is good enough to time 10s if you have DDs with hands and at least 3 combined brain cells

[prime sphinx]

yes plenty enough

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

it is coming

dw

also cant wait for those myth tome vaults

[neon elk]

We should start placing bets on nim and his tome

[dusky canopy]

did 12 priory earlier and tank got tome

xD

[lusty grotto]

this is gonna be me

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[neon elk]

I believe in you, it will drop in sub 30 runs, trust

[lusty grotto]

LOL

i like how you said 30 runs

[sharp merlin]

My fav

[solid sun]

He’s going to be awarded myth brand and pick up a pacemaker and just say f a tome

[lusty grotto]

that'd be nice

[frigid valley]

i dont get it, i looted hero tome first key of the season, and brand on first council kill. u guys just bad lmao

[lusty grotto]

if i had a ban button

not saying i would use it liberally

but yeah

[solid sun]

Harleybanned mirite

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-philip-j-fry-press-button-gif-4770685

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[solid sun]

I hear only the baddies get loot

Soooooo

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[frigid valley]

yeah but this baddy has bis trinkets and u dont x)

win win

[lusty grotto]

would be banned in all tank discords for sure

[hardy snow]

I didnt get brand from council boss

[solid sun]

Is it bis if it’s heroic

[frigid valley]

everything is bis until you get a better item i guess

[sour yacht]

D=

[split jasper]

Hey, what is the best craft for the season pls ?

[still crown]

Too many variables.

[still crown]

If not myth raiding can send shield tho

[split jasper]

This is my gear actually

[split jasper]

I do raid MM

I progress

And i mm+

[still crown]

In Myth raid?

[split jasper]

Yeah i start MM raid monday

[still crown]

Then you either wait and see vault and make a decision after that.

[split jasper]

Ok thanks

[lusty grotto]

mm

marksmanship

[mortal cypress]

Autorite de puss

[split jasper]

?

[lusty grotto]

hes a marksmanship warrior

[toxic pewter]

im close to quitting the m+ season

too many routeLords backseat tanking

[cerulean tusk]

You dont even play Slayer Fury warrior, why u doomin

[leaden shard]

host your own groups stating chill

[toxic pewter]

I think im just gonna disable chat

[leaden shard]

99% of people who join "chill" groups arent gonna complain about one route change

[cerulean tusk]

To be fair, 99% of groups dont complain about weird routes either way

you pull

they blast

everyone is happy

I guess the 11-12 range is filled with werido "triiihard" complainers

[solid sun]

I’ve only had one aggressive pinger so far

No complainers

[toxic pewter]

well yeah its just been 1 for me also

but just this single guy got under my skin it seems

[solid sun]

lol apb said zero tolerance policy is in effect

[toxic pewter]

lol

[solid sun]

Oh what in the blue hell is that

Has that been there this whole time?

[lusty grotto]

idk

i found it while i was looking for the vote abandon

[solid sun]

lol

[lusty grotto]

i swear they scrapped it

[round pendant]

THAT EXISTS?

I had some annoying guy spamming ping today

[solid sun]

I’m going to have the whole squad looking tonight

[round pendant]

god

I'm getting no gear

and everyone in my groups doing zdps

and the dungeons are unfun

[solid sun]

I am also getting zero gear

[round pendant]

why is it so hard to get accepted into 6s lmao

[solid sun]

Its how blizzard nerfs gods mightiest warriors

No gear

[tight mural]

Same. Like 3 downgrade rings, few belts.

[neon elk]

Ive droped like 4 pieces so far, 2 of them are belts and one is hands which is have hero tier in vault still so kinda sadge

[warm plinth]

Sacbrood is the one that just got the tank penalty added right?

[solid sun]

No

Ticking sack did

From Taz

[warm plinth]

Ohhh

But pace and tome are still better right

[solid sun]

Believe so

And I think brand

And idol

[warm plinth]

Brand is raid right

[solid sun]

Yeah

Idk where idol is from

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/free-delvers-journey-progress-to-all-players-coming-closer-to-unlocking-delvers-378163

Idol is halls

Also looks like delvers journey was indeed bugged

[warm plinth]

Thank fuck

[sturdy oxide]

hey mates, is it possible to keep 100% uptime on shield block?

[lusty grotto]

close to yes

[trim island]

with heavy repurcussions, and doable with a lot of haste and into the fray

[lusty grotto]

its possible, just not gonna happen consistently

[sturdy oxide]

got it on 11 sec cd atm

[lusty grotto]

as far as youre above 90% youre fine

[sturdy oxide]

just wanted to know if do something wrong and cant get it 100 uptime

[lusty grotto]

no, thats just how it goes with logs

effective uptime is very easy to get to 100%

aura uptime not so much

cause it depends how its tracked

[trim island]

why even waste rage on shield block? taking damage is your healers problem>

Better to spend all your rage on revenges to pump your big demolishes

[round pendant]

personally

I don't press anything

[frosty mango]

Hard to pump demolishes from the floor

[round pendant]

I'm not a dpser

[lusty grotto]

cause it buffs your damage

[round pendant]

I'm not a healer

My job is to get hit

No more, no less

[lusty grotto]

meme not good

[frosty mango]

Also no shield block = less dps

[sturdy oxide]

oh for some re aason i play MT

lol

[frosty mango]

Big sad

[sturdy oxide]

cu zi got low ccrit i thought it would be better

[lusty grotto]

uhh

[trim island]

shield is for blocking? Why would I have shield bash on my bar? I hit with sword not shield

[lusty grotto]

stats have nothing to do with hero talent picks

we run the same thing for everything

[round pendant]

You definitely shouldn't have shield bash on your bar

[lusty grotto]

the fuck is shield bash

[round pendant]

classic-lotk ability

[trim island]

you guys acting like I read my abilities and or know their names

[round pendant]

and I think it might be a pvp ability rn

[round pendant]

yea

[trim island]

I roleplay a grail knight in total war: I cycle charge the baddies til we win

[sturdy oxide]

xD

[sturdy oxide]

how tf you did that, i just started as prot and i did loike 3mil with Mountain thane

ill try demo now lol

[trim island]

tier set bonuses, more gear, lust, humungous pulls

some of the above I assume

[sturdy oxide]

i got 2p

[jagged gust]

1 DPS afk the entire dungeon so the mobs live long enough for execute to slap

[sturdy oxide]

and managed to get to 689 😛

[woven radish]

So many beautiful things we've lost. I'd give up a kid to get disarm back baseline

[jagged gust]

I'd take back leap with no CD if used within 5 seconds

That also stuns on impact

[kind urchin]

Double spell reflect from legion lego or mass spell reflect.

[split roost]

Give me mass spell reflect or give me death

[quick spruce]

Should I just switch the mountain thane even if I don’t have new 2 pc or 4pc?

[split roost]

If you want to get used to it sure, p sure you wanna wait for 4 set otherwise tho

[warm plinth]

If you're new to the spec and you don't have 4pc from last season, I think it's a good idea to just play thane now

[neon elk]

What a lame streets nerfs

[warm plinth]

It's not as good as Colossus but there's not much point in learning Colossus only to have to relearn Thane later

[warm plinth]

Imagine pushing nerfs to Streets that doesn't include a timer change. Fuck them tbh.

[neon elk]

Yea extra time there would help, or flat HP reduce bude i guess timer is easier

[quick spruce]

Not new to the spec I just enjoy colossus, I’m just still rocking full 684 gear from last season

[ashen kestrel]

average m+2 experience (it was a disband)

this is what i get for playing my alt and not tanking

@frosty mango youll appreciate this

908 million on the tank and that was only 2/4 bosses down

[solid sun]

Did you vote to leave

[ashen kestrel]

no someone just dipped lol

i think we mightve timed it honestly

[fallow nova]

Successfully resisting damage does zero dps.

[ashen kestrel]

i dont see the vote system in place yet

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't think it is, despite people saying otherwise

[torn gulch]

wait that was a +2?

wtf

[ashen kestrel]

a TWO

[torn gulch]

I had in the region of 500-ish million in a 10 with 50% overheal

my god

[fallow nova]

It reminds me of the time I was healing keys on my hpal and ran into a pwar that pressed whirlwind more than anything else.

If they had rage, it went to ww. Period.

[torn gulch]

spin to win

[fallow nova]

Bro was playing slayer before hero talents were a thing, apparently

[torn gulch]

and that is 900 million after only 2/4 bosses

i'm trying to compute it

and i am failing

[fallow nova]

You have to actively TRY to take that much damage

That's up there with monks that never purged stagger.

[ashen kestrel]

think he was new

still wasnt enough sometimes

[fallow nova]

Pug world is a special place

[neon elk]

Im still amazed someone left a +2 because it was that bad

Cant even imagine that tbf

[ashen kestrel]

just did a 4 of the same key, double upgrade, half the amount of healing on the tank

and he said he was brand new too

[azure crag]

Okay I was wrong you can still jump out of the explosion

In ara kara

[warm plinth]

last boss boom?

[azure crag]

Yup

[warm plinth]

Yeah the timing is kinda tight but you can do it if you have to

[torn gulch]

you get a little jump in the last 1.5s
the moment you get that you leap out it works 100% of the time

[sterile orbit]

when my plater says .8 from cast i jump

[mortal cypress]

Why is your pfp Liquid Maximum with a shaved head?

[rose flame]

So I'm trying to figure out why my Prot DPS is so low, I'm smacking all my buttons on cooldown and trying to revenge as much as I can. I know i keep forgetting to use Avatar and demo shout as much as I should.

[torn gulch]

get some logs and put them into the log review channel
someone will look at them and give you feedback

[ashen kestrel]

its JD Vance lmao

[shrewd plinth]

The collector pylons for forgeweaver araz

are they supposed to super energize real fast?

we can't kill them fast enough the third pylon is exploding and wiping

[kind urchin]

4 set gaming now baby

[shrewd grove]

My guild actually dropped two brands on first council kill lol

[ancient owl]

Should i craft a weapon or a shield first?

[wraith grail]

Shield would be my first craft, a max level shield will be better then any drops you can get

And some weapons have on proc effects

[ancient owl]

Thanks. i just hit 80

[wraith grail]

and your shield increases your slam damage!

[ancient owl]

😱

[ebon scaffold]

Any good YouTubers out there who main prot warriors? Sha does a lot of good stuff for brews

[warm plinth]

Not using avatar on cooldown is gonna be a big impact. Can't lower its cooldown if it's not on cooldown

[rose flame]

I changed my demo shout macro, put it in so that I can spam both of them at the same time

[median garnet]

Topicx, Yoda, Sense, Immonate not sure if they all count as Youtubers but they upload videos

[surreal thunder]

do i wana swap to 2 set season 3 asap or wait for 4set?

[frosty mango]

Heroic dimensius pretty big diff spike

Insanely cool fight though

[harsh trellis]

For Heroic Forgeweaver. When the 2 adds come out. And you are supposed to taunt swap your co-tank to drop the stacks.... Is this working for Anyone else?

[lyric loom]

no haste but still an upgrade

[harsh trellis]

Also Soulbinder Naazindhri is just a free kill at this point

he does mechanics for 1 half of the fight, and then just stands there and lets you beat on him from 50 to 0

[solid sun]

huh

like is he bugged

[harsh trellis]

Yeah tonight we were breaking those canisters

we did 1 round of it

then the boss stood there

people still got the star thing on them where they have to move out away from the group

there was still lines

we had to dodge

but that was it

[desert mural]

you guys think its worth to use a cata charge on a hero piece?

[neon elk]

Will it allow you to have 4pc?

If yes then send it, if its for 2pc then i wouldnt yet

[desert mural]

i can use both charges on hero pieces and get 4p

[neon elk]

I will do that, 4pc is huge boost

And even if u drop myth from next vault u can just hold it till next charge, not that big issue imho

[desert mural]

tru

[golden knot]

question for the prot warriors of all - If you off tank how do you do your best to not pull threat. I have been trying to change talents that reduce dmg and am In battle stance, but I still tend to pull with a regular rotation. thoughts, or advice?

[quick fox]

is 2 set already worth running mountain thane?

[frosty mango]

You don’t

You change your offtank

[golden knot]

I am the offtank

[frosty mango]

Unless there’s a huge gear disparity the other tank losing threat is a them problem not a you problem

There’s nothing you can do short of not pressing your buttons

[golden knot]

fair. I did just double check there is almost a 15 ilvl difference

[mighty valley]

if you're doing more damage and ripping aggro, is there any reason other than ego to swap who's on first?

[golden knot]

nah, it's more of a respect thing from me. He's the raid leader and "MT" so I am trying to play within those constraints

[warm plinth]

Tell him to play like an MT then 🤷‍♂️

[mighty valley]

yeah... in that case you might just hold your opener until the first taunt

but ideally... they'd play better or you'd go first haha

[golden knot]

Ya that's what i've been doing, but sometimes dps are pulling off him at the start. I think it's just a matter of adjusting and him getting more gear

I'm 690 and he's 675

[warm plinth]

Nah like...he needs to work on his opener. That's insanity.

[solid sun]

idk why we're still using mt and ot

You're co-tanks it isn't like you're just some silly sidekick

[harsh trellis]

675? Wtf class tnk? If you mentioned it, apologies i missed that

[golden knot]

I didn't. he's a dk

But yeah we've been working on the whole co-tank thing. I'm talking to him in DMs and stuff to figure things out, but thought maybe I was missing something obvious

[jagged gust]

yeah, he needs to put in some work

[prime sphinx]

If he's dk he has 3 taunts just tell him to wake up and retaunt if he's gonna slack on dps

[jagged gust]

flashback to that time we had to figure out why someone kept wiping on Rashokk only to find out the other tank was Provoking on CD until the DR made the boss immune to taunt

[undone beacon]

I got my 4pc and got to thane in heroic tonight

This was my reward LOL

Soulbinder is a lot harder when the other tank can’t hold aggro

[prime sphinx]

lmao

[warm plinth]

You love to see it

I ended 11 flood with 3.3 mil...was over 5 but then we had a 3 1/2 minute wipe on last boss and then a 3 1/2 minute kill. Feelsbadman

[foggy glade]

need halp, i like tough as nails, but im very interested on indomitable

[warm plinth]

Neither talent is worth talenting into

[foggy glade]

i dont take a lot of damage

[ionic fern]

You don't like tough as nails.

You're welcome.

[foggy glade]

why

[warm plinth]

Because the point you drop to get Tough as Nails is not worth it, and Indomitable is pitiful

[ionic fern]

Tough as Nails does not bring any decent damage. Indomitable is not what it used to be. We have better talent options available.

[foggy glade]

would u take booming voice ?

[warm plinth]

You should be taking booming voice

[neon elk]

Ofc

[warm plinth]

what build are you running?

[neon elk]

Dont be bolster one dont be bolster one

[undone beacon]

In this house we bolster devastate

And spellbreaker

[warm plinth]

Ok so

First thing and this is really the most important thing

Spellbreaker will never be worth it

If you took that node at all, you would take hunker down

[foggy glade]

ok

[warm plinth]

Second, Battle-scarred is fine, but swap Indom to Booming Voice.

Third, there is a -500% chance that Tough as Nails comes anywhere close to 3% strength and 1% crit

[foggy glade]

what about shield specialization and enduring alacrity?

[warm plinth]

Enduring Alacrity is not mandatory. Shield Spec is

Our entire spec is based on blocking. Dropping 16% block value would be the definition of inting

[neon elk]

Then why do u take bsv ? Not trying to be mean or something, just try to apply some logic here

[foggy glade]

because if I fuck up i wont die

im not very good

[neon elk]

Understandable, its a nice " safety net" choice , but still , there are better builds even with bsv taken

[ionic fern]

As long as you recognize when you fucked up and BSV saves you,it's fine. If you don't recognize when you messed up,talent out of it.

[fallow fern]

do i still need that custom APL thing to make tome sim correctly? ..i cant see it in the pin anymore..

[warm plinth]

Nope, it's built-in

[fallow fern]

ok, thx

[foggy glade]

i like passive things, but it seems not be that good

[warm plinth]

It's pretty good. It's just that if you rely on it when you say you're otherwise taking no damage, that means there's a gap in your play that you should fix rather than rely on a talent to save you

[foggy glade]

passive damage i would say

[neon elk]

It is good in certain scenarios , its not realy good as passive choice like click it and forget, u either play around it or its wasted talent

[foggy glade]

i meant tough as nails, but BSV its more security

maybe i spec out when I get the cheat death trinket

[jagged gust]

last I recall that trinket was really quite terrible

More of a cheat death for 2 seconds then fall over

[neon elk]

Yea that trinket is poopoo even after like 4 buffs, it needs rework

[foggy glade]

i see

tbanks for the help

[trim island]

random tangentially related question. who has the strongest cheat death?

VDH's is pretty strong

[warm plinth]

Blood DK

Not even a contest

[neon elk]

Yea bdk is pretty busted in that

[trim island]

doesn't theirs give them a massive heal absorb to immediately deal with or die

[warm plinth]

You have 3 seconds to heal it back

[trim island]

are you immune in those 3s?

[ionic fern]

Afaik,yes. The damage you take while you have the debuff on you (3 seconds) is added to the heal absorb. Probably best to verify all this on dk discord,but this is how I remember it being.

[warm plinth]

Yes, that's correct, sorry had to double check. Any damage you take during the 3 seconds is added like Mwahi said

So you are immune to death, but technically you do still take damage during that period

The reason Purgatory is the strongest is because it's the only cheat death that remains completely uncapped. Even things intended to one shot the player can be survived with it

Whereas every other cheat is capped at 200% of max HP and anything above that will ignore the cheat and kill you anyway

[trim island]

ahh that makes a lot of sense

ty for the explanation!

[frozen cipher]

has anyone crafted some gear yet?

[lament osprey]

Okay where is the build when 4p

I’m new here just the one in faq?

[undone verge]

im pretty sure it doenst change at all, thane is our main build this season and it seems to just be a damage buff to the effects of thane

[lament osprey]

I’m waiting for Tuesday to get the two guilded crafted pcs

[lament osprey]

Like there a bleed build at all? Or execute?

[jagged gust]

It's moreso that you run colossus until you get new 4p if you're trying to be optimal

[pearl storm]

what are your thoughts on crafting with spark?`i think going for shield with the dusk thread cant be wrong?

[jagged gust]

cant go wrong

[undone verge]

execute is very strong in single target or raid, take all the execute talents you can

[pearl storm]

in m+ they are good aswell 🙂

[undone verge]

also true

[chilly brook]

Wait for vault at this point

This late in the week

[jagged gust]

bleed is really quite bad for thane, it's SD for ST or nadda

[chilly brook]

Also depends on what you do content wise

[pearl storm]

mainly m+. if i get a shield and 2 trash items next bvault i might be sad if i crafted a shield

[chilly brook]

If you raid not much of a reason to craft a shield since loomithar drops the one you want

[chilly brook]

Hence why I’d say wait until next week at this point

[pearl storm]

makes sense

[chilly brook]

Worst case you don’t get a shield or a weapon and you craft both

On Tuesday

[undone verge]

dont craft yet, I crafted a neck for fury spec for raid cause I had a shitty 665 neck and the next m+ I got a neck

[pearl storm]

agree. guess no reason to craft if i can fill vault with +10 anyway

[undone verge]

although im also not optimizing this patch so its not a huge dea;

[pearl storm]

my neck is also my worst item 🙂 dont even want to put sockets into that

[undone verge]

I lost all my gold gambling in raid so stat swapping gems and enchants is painful

[lofty glen]

if we play the story we get a hero track crafting thing. worth using it?

[rough egret]

sure

its free item

[lofty glen]

but on what. shild fells like scam if you want it on myth and already have 90 gildet crests XD

[rough egret]

2nd embelish item

if you put one on shiled you can craft wrists

fill your weakest slot

etc

[lofty glen]

well 3 days in i have no upgrade. only 1 trinked so every slot is a weak slot XD

[rough egret]

thnk of it as temporary upgrade because you will eventuelly upgrade the item to 720 later

[lofty glen]

since patch releas

[rough egret]

weapon will give you most dmg

but next week you can craft both 720

so either jwlry or wrists

[lofty glen]

i wait till vault. if i get a set i take this for 4p or if ther is no set and wep or shild i take that and craft last missing part

[rough egret]

btw is story mode available this week?

you cant catalyze crafted item

but yeah no rush needed

[prime sphinx]

no story mode yet

[lofty glen]

which skill do you dropp for bitter imunity if you dont play a little man

[prime sphinx]

what u using it for

dont know of many uses

[lofty glen]

idk. it alway was a good use for me and i like it as a oh shit button with "dispell" opportunity

[rough egret]

it was good when it could remove bleeds for a while..

[lofty glen]

yes old left over from this times for me why i love this spell

mby i just have to say bb :/

[vocal cave]

can you taunt mid cast on nexus king?

on phase 1?

[polar patio]

opinion on running battle stance on everything sub +10 keys?

[jagged pier]

not needed

but if u feel like u need it then run it

[polar patio]

my dps for eco 9 (12 sec in time) made me very much feel like

and doesnt really feel like you can die except for the last pack

[lofty glen]

Last pack both before boss?

Never pull them together XD

[polar patio]

well q:^)

but yes, pulling them together nukes hp pretty hard

gonna collect dragon ballz for spell block

[lament osprey]

We doing crit for embellishment for raid?

[lofty glen]

i always do like this

i have a mm hunter that pulls the 2 2x packs for me

[polar patio]

send me route link maybe. i usually end up at 90-91 so i skip for last pack

[lofty glen]

dont have link only pic

[polar patio]

doing most trash on 2nd boss to have BL for 2nd boss as people fail alot

[polar patio]

works for me t

[lofty glen]

at work so i cant look it up in wow XD

[vocal lintel]

The Incroporeal Warpclaw trinket seems ranked low on the tier list but i switched it with sac-brood and it seems to be doing really good damage especially on single target scenarios.

[polar patio]

thanks, i do bit different but mostly aligned

[lofty glen]

the only hard pulls are 1 and 9 for me. rest of the key is piss ez. mby the easiest key this season

[lofty glen]

then use it. all trinkeds are simmed as far as i know

[polar patio]

actually most fun for this at all

also i guess i will do streets with Auction House into Music

as long as people dont have damage for Shield Phase and Lust is up

[lofty glen]

okay bit different but my is "optimized" on team cds. if your is wortkin then its nice

[polar patio]

rather wasted on Post

[polar patio]

im blessed with pug life

[lofty glen]

and i am blessed with a arcane mage that only deals 600k mire dps than me -.-

[polar patio]

bless up

[lament osprey]

we doing wrist and belt? or just boots?

nvm dumb question

[jade tartan]

thane doenst feel right after all the colossus hours

:<

[lofty glen]

its like: have i forgott anything to press??????? XD

[jade tartan]

yea

also pressing demolish felt nice

having shieldwall as a budget dps cd was nice

[lofty glen]

as tank yes as arms never XD

but thane with alls skills on thunder clap is so nice. more range, slow, dmg of doom

revenge feels pretty useless with thane. spaming IP makes more value

[slim orbit]

Hey is there a post anywhere to say when to swap out S2 Tier set for S3?

[lofty glen]

swap 4p with 4p

no 2p 2p

[slim orbit]

Awesome, thanks dude

Hate it when its like that but it is what it is

[lofty glen]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

[tulip pumice]

4pc had me at 3.79 overall in an 11 PSF

https://tenor.com/view/zenitsu-thunderclap-gif-3587070417580920822

[lofty glen]

so crazy.... only played on ptr.... didnt had luck with raid. have 3p and waiting for 1 more 🙁

[glass wraith]

Going 2x 2p is a 200k dps increase

If u go thane

[keen star]

I was given my 4pc by the loot council last night

[glass wraith]

Im rocking 2x 2p until i get my last item to catalyst then i got 4 set

[keen star]

I think it helped that pwar is often ahead of some DPS players on pulls

[lofty glen]

Lucky you. All non set bis items dropped on NORMAL yesterday but not as single fucking warry tierset.

[keen star]

I only needed 1 from raid and then the remaining three were from vault and 2 catalysts

[polar patio]

i suppose the delve map gilded are as well cap bound?

anyone know yet?

[frigid valley]

Correct.

[blazing ridge]

why is everyone still only taking DH as their tanks, man, so tough to get intos 10s ._.

[lofty glen]

why is everyone still playing pala tank....

[blazing ridge]

getting declined from a +6 HoA idk what is this

xd

and they are running Assa/Wind/MM isnt prot warrior pog for them? I dont get it

[grim pilot]

W1 people dont care about class

Just good prev ssn io

[frigid valley]

maybe its cuz ur 686 and ppl 10+´ilvl queue, or that u havent even done hoa this season, or maybe to low io from last season

idk

[prime sphinx]

whats ur rio score if ur not like 2k at this point ur probs behind the curve

high score/ilvl players might also be joining 6s for certain pieces

since its still hero track

[wispy moth]

I've been taking in 10s with less than 1k2, just being bold in queuing in 8 that we +2 it and continue with the same key.

Maybe that was luck but the group was good

[sharp berry]

yall i wanted to ask how do you do the first few pulls of ara kara, i´m having allot of problem gathering/ getting agro on mobs even dismounting on the frist few mobs kitting them.

[blazing ridge]

only 3,2k last season and yea still 686 but wcyd with no loot :<

[wispy moth]

Yeah but 1m5 cd, you're pulling more than every 1m5 overall and you lose big aoe dam with troar

I tried it for dark flame last season, only useful on first pack, never used for gathering after this

[frigid valley]

hmmm, i have second wind eventho i aint talented into it all of the sudden

[lofty glen]

warry and heal schaman gegachad group

[sweet summit]

that's not a tool for gathering, that's a tool for keeping them gathered

[grim pilot]

Youre likely competing with 3.5+ players

[wispy moth]

Yeah it doesn't grab them, only if they going far

[frosty mango]

It’s not hard to get into 10s

If you’re struggling to get into 10s then you need more completed keys

[trim island]

realtalk why is there so few good shield transmogs

[frigid valley]

halloween coming up, banger shield from there

[vale escarp]

or just play your own key if you dont get invited

[magic rain]

At what point should I break my season 2 tier set? I know its been mentioned when we get season 3 tier, but I have pieces that are 40+ ilvl higher

[vale escarp]

as soon as you got the 4set from the new tier

[frigid valley]

4p>4p if u play col, if u wanna play thane u can go 2p/2p from what my sims has shown

[trim island]

a shield drops there?

[frigid valley]

either from event or october tradepost

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-headless-horseman-mounts-weapons-and-armor-coming-to-hallows-end-in-patch-11-377911

[trim island]

oh that horseman set is 👌

[rough egret]

should I send it? 😄

[jagged pier]

I did

Mainly because the hc one goes to the other tank first cause i got that one

[rough egret]

ill try to pug HC, maybe we will get there 😄

[drowsy shale]

Any trinket from a 10 make it cost 10 runed instead of 60

[rough egret]

you need to get 2 right

my other slot is 691 champ Pacemaker

[jagged pier]

Lol thinking i get loot from m+

[drowsy shale]

Still worth the save imo

[rough egret]

used 30 on ring from Streets already

[frosty mango]

Tbh if all of your old tier is 655 then 2 set may be a dps upgrade

I would sim it

[rigid hull]

streets of wonder

is insanely low on timer

when they nerfing this shit

[mortal cypress]

they did

[rigid hull]

when

[jagged pier]

They nerfed some abilites

That doesnt help with timing tho

[neon elk]

I wouldnt call that a nerf, it will change nothing realy

[steel onyx]

Its not a hard nerf tho

yeah

[mortal cypress]

No it isnt what was needed at all, but it was a nerf

[steel onyx]

There is a lot to know in this key

[mortal cypress]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tazavesh-streets-of-wonder-nerfed-mythic-hotfixes-378170

[rigid hull]

it defo needs a timer change

[waxen frigate]

it's 2021 all over again

[quiet pebble]

Is it normal for prot to deal more damage than fury? xD at least in delves

it's also nearly immortal

[steel onyx]

Is it me or is Tough as Nails a very underwhelming talent ?

[rough egret]

What do you give up for it?

[blazing shuttle]

bros.......

[rough egret]

Ggs

[drifting glade]

guys thunderclap is obviously a 4 button ability

it belongs there, there's no way you bind thunder clap to any other number key

[steel onyx]

I don't really know what I would drop for it, like everything seems better than TaN but I wish it was great

[jagged pier]

Can we stop saying thing slike this week one? When dungeons are tuned around a much higher ilvl

They arent tuned around us being 680-690 but over 700

[rigid hull]

but every dungeon can be done expcet this one

[jagged pier]

It lioe ppl sayin ky takes too long and over tuned when its tuned for much high ilvl

[rigid hull]

i agree with u but every other key is legit doable

[jagged pier]

So the other are under tuned then?, again its week one

Or they are happy with the uning

More gear will literally make the key faster

I dont get why everything needs to be timed instantly

Or else its too hard

[blazing shuttle]

I am going to echo Jakey's thoughts.

It's week fucking one, and y'all gonna complain there's no content/nothing to do.

Or that you can't push higher

[rough egret]

+14 was already timed.. everything is okay

with pwar ofc!

[frosty mango]

It’s probably fair to say (and I agree with) that streets doesn’t need nerfed.

But think it’s pretty obvious that the flow of the dungeon as it relates to the timer is mismatched. There’s five bosses, a lot of dead space, a bunch of rp.

I don’t think they need to nerf the abilities those are fine, but I do think they need to move some trash around and change some of the rp if they want to keep the timer as it is

[blazing shuttle]

And the RP moment at the end.

Before last.

[magic rain]

woot! so excited

[blazing shuttle]

Versa? Why versa, if I may ask?

And not crit?

[frigid valley]

do we know whats counted as cosmic dmg?

[sharp merlin]

im so glad I don't play this game like a job

sounds horrific

[frosty mango]

Arcane, holy, nature, shadow I think?

[magic rain]

in higher keys a lot of m+ warriors value the damage reduction on certain pieces, make up for the crit on others

[frigid valley]

hmm ok, ring aint to bad then, i thought it was only shadow and holy, ring did 40m healing in a key

[frosty mango]

Anyway back to streets. Call me crazy but if the optimal play is for someone to run ahead to start rp that’s poor design because it’s unintuitive

[sharp merlin]

at least your key didnt bust cause you couldnt pick up the flask

[magic rain]

had that happen yesterday with a gem on the ground

[frosty mango]

When I was on the ptr I didn’t think it was particularly impactful but it’s free healing so

[jagged pier]

i never said it shouldnt get a timer change

[frigid valley]

good stats + bonus healing cant complain yeah

[jagged pier]

i just said complaining about no timing somthing week one when dungeons are tuned for much higher ilvl is dumb

[potent anvil]

Shadow and holy would be Twilight. In case you're wondering what that multi-school would be.

[frosty mango]

No i agree with you but i think people will see you say “doesn’t need nerfed” and not understand what you’re actually saying

[blazing shuttle]

Fair. Might do that, given I got tome for crit now.

[frigid valley]

https://tenor.com/view/dustin-dustin-henderson-dusty-stranger-things-stranger-things1-gif-16659303

[sharp merlin]

I have tome Hero, what should I pair it with?

ara kara?

[frosty mango]

Brand is prob gonna be a lock in

[rough egret]

this

[blazing shuttle]

And if you don't have brand?

[frosty mango]

Stone idol if you’re feeling violent

[blazing shuttle]

(I do not raid, that is why I ask)

[sharp merlin]

I have ara kara(champ) / seaf(from last season)

[blazing shuttle]

Cause I was thinkin doing Tome/Pacemaker

[frosty mango]

Gonna depend on key, I’m running bombsuit in 12s rn but I’ll prob end up with sacbrood/tome for farm trinkets

[frigid valley]

u dont say

[blazing shuttle]

Jesus

That's stupid lmao

Don't let them see it

[frosty mango]

They are well aware

[sharp merlin]

omfg

[frosty mango]

If it was gonna be nerfed it’d have been nerfed by now imo

[sharp merlin]

i hate raiding with a passion

[frigid valley]

they buffed it when it was already strong (??)

[frosty mango]

It was widely used on the ptr

[frigid valley]

its really shit in some keys tho and i wouldnt recommend using it there

[blazing shuttle]

So Tome/Sac or Tome/Pace?
Or should I just.. sim them once I have them btoph?

[frosty mango]

While gearing you’ll be simming frequently

[blazing shuttle]

Fair.

[sharp merlin]

I'm so annoyed that the trinket dropped for one of the other tanks

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-27446150

NOT HIM!

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!

[frigid valley]

my mallets goes hard too

[ebon scaffold]

Anyone currently playing dwarf thinking about switching over from night elf. I know the change is probably minor. I was just wondering if the dungeon pool benefits from having the dwarf racial haven’t played a ton of season three yet

[jagged pier]

but theres a shadow meld pot

[frosty mango]

Blizz: introduces meld pots
Also blizz: removes the most beneficial meld skip

<insert huehuehue meme here>

[sharp merlin]

Seeing people do 15s

Jesus christ 😂 calm down

[ebon scaffold]

So it’s a good idea?

[sharp merlin]

You can do top level keys with any race

your racial won't be the reason why you survive or not

Also, who the fuck voted for Streets btw? Like why!?

[frigid valley]

no1 cuz it wasnt in the votes?

returning was never voted

[sharp merlin]

oh phew

cause if it was voted.. what a troll 😂

[tulip harness]

These 3 mobs infront of halkias in halls, do you get count from them if you dont pull them and let the RP kill them?

[verbal venture]

hi all, on Soul hunter boss the taunt swap is watching shattered soul debuff?

[trim island]

whats the highest level key I'd feel comfortable in with 685ilevel 2pc s3 set?

like gearwise

not skillwise

[jagged pier]

Thats completely based on you

[trim island]

assuming decently competent at rotation and using defensive buttons

[drowsy shale]

I think it’s like shattered soul then swap shortly after eye beam. (You break the other tanks soul)

[frigid valley]

somewhere between +2 and +22

[trim island]

gotcha, won't apply for these 23s

[verbal venture]

ty

[drowsy hollow]

im doing 10 nad been really bad on tier. And tbh not allowed to use the 2K rating or catalyst before raidleader say so. Im wondering if its ok to break old for set to just get better ilvevel. Have an old tierpiece at 671 and new at 697

like 2 of old then upgrade rest on ilvl

[frosty mango]

You’d need to sim but unlikely breaking it would be an upgrade

[solid sun]

Is it common to not be allowed to use catalyst charges until the raid leader allows it

[frosty mango]

No, lol

[drowsy hollow]

aye, think its good for the progress so no worries

[jagged pier]

Yes it is, if u send and then only those tier pieces drop uve wasted your charges

[frosty mango]

It’s not common in the context of his question

[jagged pier]

Its very common until second cata charge

[frosty mango]

If you’re doing early CE sure if you’re in the vast majority of raiding groups it’s not a normal thing

[jagged pier]

Its completely common in the context hes complaing about his raid leader which is comeplete normal thing for them to do

[frosty mango]

I was talking about rhino not him

[jagged pier]

I dunno every guild ive been in with cata charges have made u hold i think its very common

[frosty mango]

Every guild I’ve been in hasn’t, but they have asked that we get 2k to get them quickly

[sharp gale]

Yes it is definitely not common, casual guild raid leaders doesn’t give a shit

[frosty mango]

Most CE raid leaders don’t give a shit either

[sharp gale]

They would cata for 3p themselves smh

[frosty mango]

If you’re in an early CE guild realistically your entire playerbase will have two cata charges week 1 and have run lfr before and picked up some tier there, you hold until first raid and then send

If you’re in a rwf guild you’re running splits

[sharp gale]

If you are early CE you most likely do splits too

Not every guild yes

[frosty mango]

Dunno I don’t think splits aren’t very common outside of rwf and some overzealous CE guilds. I’ve done a lot of CE raiding (with the exception of legion, rip my leggo luck) and it has never really been a thing I’ve seen pushed

Granted that’s just my anecdotal experience but if we’re that prevalent I’d have expected to come across it more

[sharp gale]

I think below 500 WR it becomes not rare

Me too is anecdotal ofc

[frosty mango]

Did a lot of alt gearing though, that’s very common

Ime

[long steeple]

Anyone who knows how my cloak is rank 4 but 707 ilv still?
shouldnt it be 714 by rank 4??

[crimson cypress]

Reload ui?

[dense shuttle]

Why would u not hold it ?
You wait til you have 2 set then you cata the 2 pieces you miss

[steep pivot]

tough as nails is good?

[jagged pier]

No

[azure crag]

How often should I be stance dancing? I haven't been doing it much yet, but I figure its probably important to learn at some point

[rough egret]

we dont dance, we just clap

[solid sun]

I didn’t ask if holding it was common. I asked if raid leaders giving permission on using charges was common

[azure crag]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-start-ass-clap-booty-gif-6224563

understood

[steep pivot]

man i play mostly on battle stance, i swap to defensive stance when things get nasty (sommetimes i forget to stance dance)

but im doing like 5s xD

[frosty mango]

For the most part, you don’t

You stay in d stance, there’s some benefit to using battle stance in raid but in keys you’ll be in d stance basically always

[azure crag]

Ah, fair enough

[sharp gale]

if you want to learn stance dance, you can start in raid, it is not that punishing unlike m+

and it is easier

[mellow bridge]

depending on your WR, absolutely ye

[frosty mango]

There’s some very min-maxy stuff in m+ where you might battle stance for some bosses but imo unless you’re like doing bleeding edge content where you need an extra 2% tank dps just stay in d stance

[steep pivot]

protection warriors dont lose anything playin oon d stance? arms lose 10% dmg when d stance

[azure crag]

From what I've seen, you only lose the 3% crit from battle stance

[winter marlin]

i think we got -cc duration one of these seasons ago

attached to the 3% crit loss

[steep pivot]

damn, so playin sit on d stance is better... 3% crit is low

[winter marlin]

basically null argument yea

[steep pivot]

i mean compared to 20% dr

[brisk rain]

are there any bis tank trinkets

for tank spec loot table

that we want in m+

[steep pivot]

pacemaker xD